Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread Jon Brock
I assume you have already memorized the first 100:
http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread David Boyes
> No dash in "IBM System z9 109".  With dash as "z9-109".  Just
> like "IBM eServer zSeries 990" vs. "z990".  Only different.
> We couldn't call it "z9109" (no matter how way cool that
> would have been), so the dash makes its debut.  Now don't ask
> me how one denotes the particular model of a z9-109.
> (z9-109-S52?  Jim will have to tell us...)

This is starting to sound like a spaceship name out of a EE Doc Smith space
opera.

Z9M9Z -- I can hardly wait for the arrival of the Arisians...8-(

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread David Boyes
> Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs
> product on zLinux?

Yes. It's possible, but not practical unless you have an enormous amount of
resources to burn in overhead.

I can supply a desktop snapshot if you want to see it working, but at
approximately 138:1 390 to Intel MIPS, I don't think you'd actually want to
do anything real with it.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread David Boyes
> Oh, goody.  We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh,
> months. :-)  But let's start off on the right foot:  "IBM
> System z9 109" on first reference, then "z9-109" (note the
> dash and lack of slashes), please. It's one of those nasty
> "trademark things".

Evil Overlord note to self #32767: First against the wall when the
revolution comes: lawyers and marketing droids who think up this kind of
thing.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread David Boyes
> > You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> Databases,
> > Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support
> are the biggies.
>
> X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?

Booting the X terminals, yes, no problem. You want to carefully consider
what the terminals are doing if you intend to use the platform as a compute
server.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread Brad Brewer
Thanks for everyone's input, just trying to build a case for utilizing
zLinux


Brad Brewer
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Brad,

   Below are two links to sites that list applications that have been
ported to the
mainframe linux platform.

The first site is a listing of ISV venders that have ported their linux
applications.


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/solutions/s390da/linuxproduct.html


This next site is a listing of IBM applications. You can download a matrix
here.

   http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/software.html

Mark Post also maintains a website that has numerous links to other
mainframe linux websites.

  http://linuxvm.org/

Being in a support role I work with many customers. I would have to say
that the applications that
are being run is a mixture. The most popular applications I can think of
that many use are:

Websphere, DB2, DB2 Connect, MQ, Tivoli, Oracle, Apache, Tomcat, Samba,
Print applications,


Regards,
John

IBM Advanced Technical Support
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All,

I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for,
because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
applications using zLinux?

Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?

Thanks in advance.

Brad Brewer
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-28 Thread John Schnitzler Jr
Brad,

   Below are two links to sites that list applications that have been
ported to the
mainframe linux platform.

The first site is a listing of ISV venders that have ported their linux
applications.


http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/solutions/s390da/linuxproduct.html

This next site is a listing of IBM applications. You can download a matrix
here.

   http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/software.html

Mark Post also maintains a website that has numerous links to other
mainframe linux websites.

  http://linuxvm.org/

Being in a support role I work with many customers. I would have to say
that the applications that
are being run is a mixture. The most popular applications I can think of
that many use are:

Websphere, DB2, DB2 Connect, MQ, Tivoli, Oracle, Apache, Tomcat, Samba,
Print applications,


Regards,
John

IBM Advanced Technical Support
Washington Systems Center,
Endicott NY, 13760
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All,

I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for,
because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
applications using zLinux?

Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?

Thanks in advance.

Brad Brewer
Humana Inc.
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Wolfe, Gordon W
>That's funny.  Surely, you made the correct choice...

Don't call me Shirley...

Some people are like Slinkies...
Not really good for anything,
but they still bring a smile to your face
when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Gordon Wolfe, Ph. D.   (425)865-5940
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> >>>You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> >>
> >>Databases,
> >>
> >>>Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support
> >>
> >>are the biggies.
> >>
> >>X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?
> >>
> >>
> >>>The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>>Brad Brewer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>All,
> >>>>
> >>>>I was wondering what type of applications are companies
> >>
> >>using zLinux
> >>
> >>>>for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there
> >>>>other applications using zLinux?
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty
> >>
> >>successful one?
> >>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>>
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Tim Pinkawa
On 7/27/05, Adam Thornton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think Herc on a modern box would give you, what, about 40 MIPS?  So
> it'd be about 1/5 the speed, which would be even more intolerable for
> actual work, but you could do it.

I wrote a quick little benchmark yesterday to try to determine the
theoretical maximum MIPS. I ran the test under the recently released
CentOS 4.1 for S/390. When I ran the test using one processor I was
able to hit about 50 MIPS. I then split it into four processes (I have
2 real processors + 2 hyperthreaded) and was able to get 76 MIPS.
During actual Linux usage with multiple processors and multitasking
I'm usually in the 40 - 60 MIPS range. As I said above, this on a dual
3.0 GHz Xeon system with 2GB RAM now running Fedora Core 4 x86_64.

The "benchmark" program is just a little hack but if anyone wants to
see it, here's the code:
http://timbo87.home.comcast.net/temp/herc/benchmark.c

-Tim

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Tim Pinkawa
On 7/27/05, Richard Pinion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Was Hercules part of this entanglement?  And if it was, was Hercules running 
> under Linux or Windows?

I'm not sure what Adam's arrangement was, but I've run Bochs on CentOS
3.4 for S/390 (RHEL 3 Update 4) under Hercules on Fedora Core 3 x86_64
on a dual processor 3.0 GHz Xeon with 2GB RAM and performance was
pitiful even with two processors assigned to Hercules and 1GB RAM
assigned. It took over an hour to install MS-DOS.

-Tim

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Little, Chris
I entirely agree, but outside those of use who know better ;>, there is the
myth that the mainframe is this unbelievable cpu workhorse.  Therre are some
here who equate mainframe with supercomputer.  It is difficult to dispose of
these ideas.  Sometimes proof is the only antidote.

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> On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote:
>
> > It would have been interesting to try.
>
> It would have been quite painful.
>
> You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I
> really can't recommend it.
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> Adam
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

Also, why do you want to emulate something as boring as an x86?  Pick
a *fun* system:

http://www.fsf.net/~adam/Pitfall-on-390-desktop.png

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:52 EST, "Little, Chris"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so it's with the dash or without?

No dash in "IBM System z9 109".  With dash as "z9-109".  Just like "IBM
eServer zSeries 990" vs. "z990".  Only different.  We couldn't call it
"z9109" (no matter how way cool that would have been), so the dash makes
its debut.  Now don't ask me how one denotes the particular model of a
z9-109.  (z9-109-S52?  Jim will have to tell us...)

> (note to self: slashes are for hardware, slashes are for hardware . . .
.)

Don't make me or Chuckie come over there!!

Alan Altmark
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 27, 2005, at 1:00 PM, Richard Pinion wrote:


Was Hercules part of this entanglement?  And if it was, was
Hercules running under Linux or Windows?


Not that'un.  That one is on the H70.

I think Herc on a modern box would give you, what, about 40 MIPS?  So
it'd be about 1/5 the speed, which would be even more intolerable for
actual work, but you could do it.

Adam

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Eric Clapsaddle
I thought Slash was the guitarist for Velvet Revolver.  Formerly of Guns
'n' Roses, formerly of The Snake Pit.


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so it's with the dash or without?

(note to self: slashes are for hardware, slashes are for hardware . . . .)
:>

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> On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina
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> > With a 54-way System z/9-109?  Sure...
>
> Oh, goody.  We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh,
> months. :-)  But let's start off on the right foot:  "IBM
> System z9 109" on first reference, then "z9-109" (note the
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Marcy Cortes
Let's just stick with calling it the 2094 - no slash, spaces, dots, or
even commas :)


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so it's with the dash or without?

(note to self: slashes are for hardware, slashes are for hardware . . .
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:>

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> On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina
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> > With a 54-way System z/9-109?  Sure...
>
> Oh, goody.  We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh,
> months. :-)  But let's start off on the right foot:  "IBM
> System z9 109" on first reference, then "z9-109" (note the
> dash and lack of slashes), please. It's one of those nasty
> "trademark things".
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> Repeat after me, "Slashes are for software...slashes are for
> software"
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Richard Pinion
Was Hercules part of this entanglement?  And if it was, was Hercules running 
under Linux or Windows?

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7/27/2005 1:55 PM >>>
On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Brad Brewer wrote:

> Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on
> zLinux?

It works fine.

But very inefficiently.

You really don't want to go there, except to show that you *can*.

http://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png 

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:56 PM, Brad Brewer wrote:


Why is it that you wouldn't recommend it?  Performance issues?


Yeah.

x86 compute cycles are cheap.

S/390 computer cycles are expensive.

S/390 cycles being used to emulate x86 cycles are silly.

Adam

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Rich Smrcina

I guess this falls under the title 'Lord of the Protocols'.  Perhaps a
subtitle of 'Slashmaster' may be in order... :)

Alan Altmark wrote:

On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


With a 54-way System z/9-109?  Sure...



Oh, goody.  We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh, months. :-)  But
let's start off on the right foot:  "IBM System z9 109" on first
reference, then "z9-109" (note the dash and lack of slashes), please. It's
one of those nasty "trademark things".

Repeat after me, "Slashes are for software...slashes are for software"
 ;-)

Alan Altmark
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IBM Endicott

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Brad Brewer
Why is it that you wouldn't recommend it?  Performance issues?




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On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote:

> It would have been interesting to try.

It would have been quite painful.

You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I really can't
recommend it.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:53 PM, Brad Brewer wrote:


Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on
zLinux?


It works fine.

But very inefficiently.

You really don't want to go there, except to show that you *can*.

http://www.fsf.net/~adam/NT-on-390-desktop.png

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Little, Chris
so it's with the dash or without?

(note to self: slashes are for hardware, slashes are for hardware . . . .)
:>

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Little, Chris wrote:


It would have been interesting to try.


It would have been quite painful.

You can indeed boot NT just fine on Bochs on S/390 but I really can't
recommend it.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Adam Thornton

On Jul 27, 2005, at 12:47 PM, Alan Altmark wrote:

Repeat after me, "Slashes are for software...slashes are for
software"


Silly me, I thought they were for disturbing fanfic.

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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Brad Brewer
Have you or anyone else for that matter tried the Bochs product on zLinux?


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It would have been interesting to try.

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> That's funny.  Surely, you made the correct choice...
>
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> > When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our
> > architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as
> > terminal servers for 8000 users.
> >
> > I politely recommended that we NOT.
> >
> >
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> >>
> >>>You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> >>
> >>Databases,
> >>
> >>>Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support
> >>
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> >>
> >>X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?
> >>
> >>
> >>>The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and
> >>>getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a
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> >>
> >>requirements that at
> >>
> >>>first blush sound counter-intuitive.
> >>>
> >>>Brad Brewer wrote:
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Marcy Cortes
WebSphere AS seems to be really taking off around here for several
different things.

I'd say the challenges are more political than technical.  Getting all
those server people to even consider that the mainframe as a viable
platform has been difficult.  Business conditions, though, with Sun in
particular I think has help the mainframe side a great deal.


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You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.  Databases, Web
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The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting
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> All,
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> I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux
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> because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
> applications using zLinux?
>
> Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Little, Chris
It would have been interesting to try.

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> That's funny.  Surely, you made the correct choice...
>
> Little, Chris wrote:
> > When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our
> > architecture guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as
> > terminal servers for 8000 users.
> >
> > I politely recommended that we NOT.
> >
> >
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> >>On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> >>
> >>Databases,
> >>
> >>>Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support
> >>
> >>are the biggies.
> >>
> >>X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?
> >>
> >>
> >>>The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and
> >>>getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a
> >>>shared environment and that it has unique tuning
> >>
> >>requirements that at
> >>
> >>>first blush sound counter-intuitive.
> >>>
> >>>Brad Brewer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>All,
> >>>>
> >>>>I was wondering what type of applications are companies
> >>
> >>using zLinux
> >>
> >>>>for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there
> >>>>other applications using zLinux?
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty
> >>
> >>successful one?
> >>
> >>>>Thanks in advance.
> >>>>
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 07/27/2005 at 12:23 EST, Rich Smrcina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> With a 54-way System z/9-109?  Sure...

Oh, goody.  We haven't had a terminology lesson in, oh, months. :-)  But
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Rich Smrcina

That's funny.  Surely, you made the correct choice...

Little, Chris wrote:

When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture
guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for
8000 users.

I politely recommended that we NOT.



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To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote:



You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.


Databases,


Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support


are the biggies.

X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?



The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and
getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a
shared environment and that it has unique tuning


requirements that at


first blush sound counter-intuitive.

Brad Brewer wrote:


All,

I was wondering what type of applications are companies


using zLinux


for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there
other applications using zLinux?

Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty


successful one?


Thanks in advance.

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Humana Inc.
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Little, Chris
When we first started doing z/VM - Linux virtualization, our architecture
guy wanted to emulate the x86, run NT, and use that as terminal servers for
8000 users.

I politely recommended that we NOT.

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>
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote:
>
> > You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> Databases,
> > Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support
> are the biggies.
>
> X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?
>
> >
> > The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and
> > getting systems admins and management to understand that this is a
> > shared environment and that it has unique tuning
> requirements that at
> > first blush sound counter-intuitive.
> >
> > Brad Brewer wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > I was wondering what type of applications are companies
> using zLinux
> > > for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there
> > > other applications using zLinux?
> > >
> > > Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty
> successful one?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > Brad Brewer
> > > Humana Inc.
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Rich Smrcina

With a 54-way System z/9-109?  Sure...

shogunx wrote:

On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote:



You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.  Databases, Web
Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies.



X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?




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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread shogunx
On Wed, 27 Jul 2005, Rich Smrcina wrote:

> You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.  Databases, Web
> Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies.

X11 server to support a massive number of X-Terminals?

>
> The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting
> systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared
> environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first
> blush sound counter-intuitive.
>
> Brad Brewer wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for,
> > because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
> > applications using zLinux?
> >
> > Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Brad Brewer
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> > System Software
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> >
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Little, Chris
This has been a huge challenge for us.  We are way overcommitting resources.
The good thing is that VM handles it pretty well.

> -Original Message-
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> You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.
> Databases, Web Serving, Web applications and infrastructure
> support are the biggies.
>
> The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance
> and getting systems admins and management to understand that
> this is a shared environment and that it has unique tuning
> requirements that at first blush sound counter-intuitive.
>
> Brad Brewer wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I was wondering what type of applications are companies
> using zLinux
> > for, because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there
> > other applications using zLinux?
> >
> > Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Brad Brewer
> > Humana Inc.
> > Technical Services
> > System Software
> > (502)580-3086
> >
> >
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Re: Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Rich Smrcina

You name it, it's probably running on Linux for zSeries.  Databases, Web
Serving, Web applications and infrastructure support are the biggies.

The challenge over the past 5 1/2 years has been performance and getting
systems admins and management to understand that this is a shared
environment and that it has unique tuning requirements that at first
blush sound counter-intuitive.

Brad Brewer wrote:

All,

I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for,
because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
applications using zLinux?

Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?

Thanks in advance.

Brad Brewer
Humana Inc.
Technical Services
System Software
(502)580-3086


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Fishin' for information

2005-07-27 Thread Brad Brewer
All,

I was wondering what type of applications are companies using zLinux for,
because I have seen a lot of Oracle questions, but are there other
applications using zLinux?

Also, has the implementation of zLinux been a pretty successful one?

Thanks in advance.

Brad Brewer
Humana Inc.
Technical Services
System Software
(502)580-3086


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