Linux-Advocacy Digest #441
Linux-Advocacy Digest #441, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("2 + 2")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (David M. Butler)
Re: Win2K beats Linux in OpenGL performance using Nvidia products (David M. Butler)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (Perry Pip)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (Perry Pip)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Timo Saarinen")
Re: GPL freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Corel bailed out by MS? Let the games begin! ("Shay Files")
Re: PRE-RELEASE/PRE-ANNOUNCEMENT: NDOS Technical Library Available ("Shay Files")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Ian Pulsford)
From: "2 + 2" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 00:50:04 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote in message ...
"unicat" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
The following are the opinions of the author, nothing more, nothing
less.
Quite implausible opinions in most cases at that.
The two biggest components of ".net" are the use of XML to replace HTML,
Sorry, but XML can't replace HTML. XML and HTML complement each other, not
replace each other. In any event, the use of XML is not central to the
.net
platform, though it is a major piece.
and then putting your applications on the server and using a thin client
to get to them. The XML langauage lets web pages have "dynamic"
That's only a small piece of .net.
content - that is you can run little programs in real time to produce the
information to be displayed, and pull in data that is retireved from
remote procedure calls... which is pretty much what Java does already.
Remote procedure calls (RPCs, which by the way is an old DCE standard) is
considered NOT to scale in the middle tier. Try message oriented middleware.
Currently JavaBeans are having a difficult time scaling in the middle tier
and no EJB product has been submitted for benchmarking under the TPC-C
benchmark.
Of course, this is why competition, which everyone can see would be valuable
on the desktop, is also valuable on the server. So .NET adds to the
competition. That's the short answer to your troll.
And by going back to server-centric computing, your data won't be
stuck on your desktop PC's hard drive, so that you can retrieve it from
the server from anywhere, using any access device -laptop, PDA, etc.
- Just like you already could by using sendmail and Java apps on a Sun
server with an IMAP client and a JVM that could run on any device
(laptop, PDA)
H,
in other words, MS has reinvented Java and Java clients.
Do you mean the JavaStation when you say Java client? I understand you can
pick one of those up at a very good price. I saw some in a garden shop being
used as high-tech planters for flowers.
Actually, .NET does not have a JVM. It has an IL (intermediate language)
that can be compiled or run on a couple of type of JITer, one of which is
for devices.
Of course, you know that Java was originally written to run devices and only
because the Mosaic browser (stolen outright by Netscape from the U. of
Ilinois) was basically a mainframe terminal, that Java was used in
connection with the browser.
Most of Java's success, until date, has come on the server.
.NET is strongly focused on the client side as well. That's reason enough
for its existence. Perhaps Java then will use XML and SOAP to effectively
compete on the client.
.NET is a product of various language creators like Bertrand Meyer with
Effiel, who think their language is much more innovative than Java,
especially being more suitable for an era on interface-based computing where
contract specs are key.
The cutting edge people with a whole host of languages that have been
involved with .NET are not as impressed as you are with Java.
Unicat, perhaps if you write those involved with various languages, and
explain to them how Sun has solved all the world's computing problems with
Java, then I'm sure they will instantly drop all .NET development.
They will say for sure:, "oh, catie cat with the cute name, thanks so much
for telling us all about computerdom, we appreciate it so much."
"And by the way, we might just have a job for you in our labs. An assessment
of your abilities has shown that you can be an engineer. Yes, a sanitary
engineer, a BIG MAN with a MOP on the night shift, you big unicat you."
Except that .NET isn't limited to one language. In
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 07:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Double standard? (Chris Sherlock)
Re: How low can they go...? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Darren Winsper)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Osugi Sakae")
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("2 + 2")
From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:11:02 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
Try to answer "do data structures exist?" and the more you actually think
about the question, the more it will blow your mind.
My minds been blown for so long I wouldn't notice. I haven't found "do
[x] exist?" to be entertaining for quite a while.
This from the guy who rejects all formalism.
Why on earth would I leave it at that? Particularly when you're so
wrong: I know what you're talking about. And you only know you're
talking about it. Think about the question "Does it really exist" for a
while; it will blow your mind. Then get a grip and come back here
prepared to support your silly ideas, or don't bother coming back at
all.
yawn
Roberto claimed (implicitly) that there was a trivial mapping of visual
sensory perceptions to the EM spectrum.
I don't recall any question of whether it was a 'trivial mapping'. What
Then you weren't following along closely enough.
he said was, in response to your statement that 'blue' doesn't exist
outside of perception, that 'blue' does exist as a well defined concept
in electromagnetic theory.
And exactly what do you think this *means*?
Listen, I don't care if you want to be an arrogant geek. Just do it on
your own time, and stop pretending you are "out-thinking" anyone when
you post this sort of tripe.
I'm certainly out-thinking you.
This is where I'm pointing out to you that you are wrong. Yes, all the
stuff up to then, that malarkey about byte arrays and hash dictionaries,
I followed that. I won't argue whether 'red' in electromagnetic terms
is 'simple'. I have to point out, though, that in perceptual terms it
is simple.
That's exactly why 'red' exists IN PERCEPTUAL TERMS!!
Its very simple. We don't know everything about how it
works, or even any bit of it precisely. What we do know is that it is a
direct mapping; electromagnetic 'red' hits the back of your eyeball, and
Wrong nitwit, there is no such thing as "electromagnetic red".
Look, take a class on the visual system, most universities offer them.
As long as you're there, take courses on formal logic, mathematics,
metaphysics, epistemology and philosophy of science. I already told
you that any kind of discussion with you would be useless if you keep
believing the utterly ludicrous things you do in these subjects. Well,
this is just another application of all these topics.
your brain thinks "red". Thoughts do physically exist. You seem to
keep getting confused on this point.
I follow you. But in this particular case, it is a particular
hard-wired array, and we've already determined that its property is what
we have discovered it to be. Any ideas that some other array may have
some other property is just fantasizing.
What the FUCK are you talking about?
The human sensory system is every bit as deterministic (if much less
understood and complex) as the frequency of the light.
You're oversimplifying things. So as long as we're there, I'll say:
that's exactly why 'red' isn't a physical concept!
--
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:15:22 +1000
From: Chris Sherlock [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Double standard?
Hey, you posted in comp.os.linux.advocacy! If you don't like me asking
about this, then don't post in c.o.l.a.!
Chris
MH wrote:
"Chris no - shi*t Sherlock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
How about VB scripts inside email programs that execute viruses?
Chris
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
"Chris Sherlock" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Oh, I don't know about that! GNOME is beginning to really take shape,
but just about everything that you can do in Windows you can do in
KDE!
Ok, how about create a virtual file system housed inside the shell
browser
as a plug-in? How about Shell extension contexts? How about Embedding
HTML
into the desktop (including Java applets)? How about shell namespace
extensions that allow you to create things like the printers or dialup
networking folders (Obviously, using the Linux equivelants of these)?
How
about shortcuts that can be HTTP links?
Typical zealot response. No response at
Linux-Advocacy Digest #444
Linux-Advocacy Digest #444, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Chad Myers")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Frédéric G. MARAND")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Frédéric G. MARAND")
Re: Off-topic Idiot Olympics (Marty)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Do Linux suXX??? ("[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
From: "Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:00:51 GMT
"David M. Butler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Bob Hauck wrote:
How _do_ you turn off DMA on an IDE disk in NT? Probably a registry
key that's documented someplace in the bowels of MSDN. Where granma
won't ever find it.
(I didn't get this post, for some reason, so I'm replying through you, sorry)
There is a utility from MS either free for download or in the Resource Kit
Utilities (also free) called "dmacheck" which allows you to enable or
disable DMA.
NT doesn't enabled DMA by default and didn't get DMA funtionality until
Service Pack 3, IIRC (DMA wasn't really out until the time SP3 hit anyhow).
The "best" way to get full, speedy, DMA functionality is to go to Intel
and download the Intel PIIX4 ATA drivers. These are the best. If you don't
have an Intel motherboard... good luck.
-Chad
--
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:02:12 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Loren Petrich wrote:
And Mr. Kulkis seems to like everything that he professes to object
to when it's military. So the ideal way to get even the grossest pork
past the Kulkises of the world is to claim some "national defense"
purpose to it.
I'm one of the first to admit that defense spending is abused.
Praise with faint damns.
What I can't figure out is why you advocate running the ENTIRE
ECONOMY IN THE SAME FASHION.
I've never advocated that.
Robinhood stole from the tax collectors and returned the money to the
people.
Law-abiding means paying taxes. What part of that do you not
understand?'
Taxes collected for the purpose of giving the money to someone
else are unjust, and, by the Constitution, Illegal.
--
Loren Petrich
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Happiness is a fast Macintosh
And a fast train
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,comp.lang.c,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:19:19 GMT
On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:30:42 -0400, unicat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
The two biggest components of ".net" are the use of XML to replace HTML,
No they're not. I guess until they make a movie about .NET you won't
know the "facts" of it.
snip
in other words, MS has reinvented Java and Java
Linux-Advocacy Digest #445
Linux-Advocacy Digest #445, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 11:13:06 EDT Contents: Re: Off-topic Idiot Olympics (Donovan Rebbechi) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto Alsina) Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto Alsina) Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto Alsina) Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiot Olympics Date: 4 Oct 2000 14:16:07 GMT On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:39:21 GMT, Marty wrote: Donovan Rebbechi wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 04:11:24 GMT, Marty wrote: Donovan Rebbechi wrote: On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:18:55 GMT, Marty wrote: Donovan Rebbechi wrote: On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:05:33 GMT, Marty wrote: Now that's what I call a Tholen-war. On what basis do you make this claim? On the basis that it satisfies the definition of the term previously posted. Classic illogical circular reasoning. It's logical Classic pontification. On what basis do you make that claim ? Witness your pontification above. What pontification. unless you object to either the aforementioned definition What alleged "aforementioned definition"? My original definition of the term "Tholen-war". Still using made-up definitions? All definitions are "made up". or the assertion that this discussion satisfies the criteria for that definition. You're presupposing an "aforementioned definition", Donovan. Such a definition indeed exists. Where, allegedly? Allegedly at the URL I showed you. did You didn't write that, Donovan. did. didn't I didn't write that, Donovan. Irrelevant did too You didn't write that, Donovan. Incorrect did not I didn't write that, Donovan. Irrelevant. did too, see above. You didn't write that, Donovan. Incorrect incorrect I didn't write that, Donovan. Irrelevant illogical You didn't write that, Donovan. Incorrect incorrect I didn't write that, Donovan. Irrelevant I know you are but what am I ? You didn't write that, Donovan. False illogical I didn't write that, Donovan. Taking forgery lessons from Moul? Irrelevant. Negative. ad infinitum Impossible. Evidence please. Yeah, he's in my killfile. Evidence, please. Irrelevant I'm just hazarding an educated guess about the content of the debate. Why not stick to the facts? The afore-mentioned guess is based on facts. [1] In response to these discussions, I propose the following definition: What you propose is irrelevant. What you can prove is relevant. Illogical. One doesn't "prove" a definition. -- Donovan -- From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:04:51 -0300 El mié, 04 oct 2000, Richard escribió: Roberto Alsina wrote: El mar, 03 oct 2000, Richard escribió: explanatory power. The value of prediction lies only in the fact that many humans don't recognize bullshit when they see it and fool themselves into accepting theories with little or no explanatory power. IOW, the It is simple to explain Napoleon as a solar myth. Try it. Predictive power of Bullshit. Any such "explanation" will be utter nonsense. That's why explanatory power in itself is such a vaguely measurable thing. Explaining Napoleon as a solar myth makes as much sense as explaining Amon as a solar myth, yet historians do so all the time. The difference, of course, is that historians know Napoleon existed as a fact, you know, the historic facts you said were so low compared to the motivations provided by psychohistory. science is paramount. Why do you think relativists were so happy after that particular eclipse when the light was bent by gravity? Einstein wouldn't have given a damn. Einstein *did* give a damn. He was still alive, you know. And neither would I since unlike most scientists I don't need predictions to be able to separate sense from nonsense. If the light had not curved, what would have happened to relativity? You claim to understand superstrings? You claim to understand *anything*? Yes. I understand my cat. Do you understand superstrings? They don't predict gravity. You seem to ignore the meaning of prediction. They AGREE with gravity, because gravity was known and preexistent. You're a moron. And you are not addressing the issues. It's a verification of the theory, which sure is
Linux-Advocacy Digest #446
Linux-Advocacy Digest #446, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 12:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (Bryant Brandon)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Dedicated Linux Employment Site (Dan)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Stuart Fox")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Stuart Fox")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
From: Bryant Brandon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:39:21 -0500
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], dc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@Do you have any proof that it can do that?
Machine #21, AUDB room #307c, UNT campus, Texas. IOW, the very
machine we've been discussing this entire thread.
The *ONLY* thing we know about the machines in question is that
you're
getting a disk error @ login. Aside from that, *EVERYTHING* else
mentioned in this thread is pure conjecture.
@@@
@@@ You asked for "any" proof. Is this not "any" enough for you?
@@@
@@@No, because it isn't proof. You have no proof that the -profile- (and
@@@limiting it via quotas) is the issue here in any way, shape, or form.
@@
@@ So, now you want quotas too?
@@
@@I want you to fix this problem by finding someone to help you, rather
@@than simply giving up.
@@
@@Before I run around trying to prove
@@things for you, would you mind telling me what all I need to prove
@@before I begin? You have a nasty habit of applying "bully rules" to
@@your conversations. ie, changing the rules midway when you start
@@losing.
@@
@@You have a nasty habit (you've done it here in this PC discussion of
@@your lab's issues) of blaming a lot of things without having a shred
@@of proof. I'm merely pointing out to you that you don't have that
@@proof, so you really don't have any idea what's wrong or whether
@@quotas/profiles are at fault (or would help).
@
@ You don't want me to prove it. OK.
@
@I don't? I didn't say that. Learn to read. I said you can't because
@you don't have proof. You aren't capable of doing so. You may want
@to do it, but it probably isn't going to happen.
I told you to be specific in what you wanted me to prove, and you
refused. So, no matter what I prove, you'll later saddle it with more
qualifiers/exceptions, and make me prove it all over again. But as soon
as you're willing to tell me what to prove, I'll be happy to prove it.
I haven't given contradictory information. I've given information
that could apply in a variety of different scenarios, and you got
confused.
@@@
@@@ Yes, you gave a variety of scenarios. However, when you presented
@@@them, you gave _no_ indication that they were different.
@@@
@@@Your lack of technical understanding clouds the issues.
@@
@@ By "technical knowledge," do you mean "familiarity with windows," or
@@do you mean "ability to read my mind"? Perhaps there is another
@@definition I did not consider. Please, elaborate.
@@
@@Familiarity with Windows, NT/2k in this instance.
@
@ So, it's not really a lack of technical knowledge, as you stated, but
@a lack of familiarity with windows. Calling me nontechnical implies
@that I am incapable of understanding, whereas I merely lack knowledge.
@That was rather dishonest of you. Now, we've established that I don't
@really lack technical understanding, merely a lack of information, how,
@exactly, would that explain how I got confused, without assuming that
@you're a poor writer?
@
@Spin...spin. Joe Ragosta would be so proud! (But he's off slinking,
@after we handed his guts to him on a platter for his incredibly
@numerous debacles and screwups.)
It's not my fault you cannot write intelligently.
@Do you have any administrative experience at all?
Yes.
At what, exactly?
@@@
@@@ My stuff. Net BSD on my IIci talking to my Quadra. Two
@@@ machines.
@@@
@@@Two users: root, and me.
@@@ Therefore, I have administrative experience.
@@@
@@@Not even close. You've set up a single BSD machine, something
@@@that
Linux-Advocacy Digest #447
Linux-Advocacy Digest #447, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Java (off-topic?) (Was: Re: Because programmers...) (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Donal K.
Fellows)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Stephen Uitti")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:18:10 GMT
In article 8rdbjh$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been able to spare $20 a month in several
years for regular Internet service, so I've had to
use several "Free ISP" internet service providers.
Unfortunately, all of the "free internet" (i.e.,
ad-bar) services only have software for the Windoze
9Whatever OSes. So I've been in the irritating
position of requiring a multi-boot computer for
years, and booting into Windoze to get on the
Internet. Freewwweb.com used to exist to provide
non-ad-bar Internet for Linux users, but they
recently merged with Juno and now Juno is the only
company.
If you want to get Linux on the desktops and laptops
of the world, you need to get *any* of the Free
Internet companies to create a version for Linux.
Linux has software to replace every single Micro$oft
application. If you could advertise that Linux
essentially "comes with" free internet service,
Linux usage would increase. A clever licensing
agreement could even put the "free isp" software on
the distribution CD itself.
Oh I see. In order for linux to 'succeed' (whatever
that means), it has to make YOU happy.
You're right, I didn't say that right. "You" *should*,
rather than need, to get free internet for Linux. Also,
as far as success is concerned, I just think it would be
faster with free internet than without it. Right now,
Linux is proceeding at a decent pace. Add in free internet,
and Linux would get its own jet.
Yes, I would benefit. Yes, Linux should make me happy.
I'm not a programmer, I'm a user, and I'm pretty sure that
non-programmer users outnumber programmers.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Java (off-topic?) (Was: Re: Because programmers...)
Date: 4 Oct 2000 15:15:45 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Roberto Selbach Teixeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As for JITs, well, I heard about them and decided to try. I've never
seen a java program which could be even _near_ C++ speed, especially
when you can optimize C++ to use processor specific instructions,
etc... Of course, I have no numbers nor have I ever tried to _really_
benchmark this.
Our HPC research group has been looking at this, and they have been
able to get (specially-preprocessed) Java to within a factor of two of
FORTRAN on tests like large matrix inversion. The compilers they are
using are pretty much state-of-the-art all through, as is the
hardware. Considering how long Java's been about in comparison to
FORTRAN, and that we are working on FORTRAN's home ground, that's not
too bad.
Instruction-level optimisations are a mugs game, especially when
hardware varies as much as it does...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I could even declare myself a religion, if that'd help.
-- Mark Loy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 4 Oct 2000 15:29:53 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nobody cares. A program is not data to the end-user, and data is not a
program to the end-user. That's all that matters.
Real end-users don't care about the difference, and don't want to
care. Computer people should not force that care upon them...
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellowshttp://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I could even declare myself a religion, if that'd help.
-- Mark Loy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #448
Linux-Advocacy Digest #448, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 13:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: The return of the Kulkis smackdown ("Drestin Black")
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:34:04 -0500
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rd66i$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
snip
PIII-666? How about 667 you
yutz, no such thing as a PIII666
Clock the chip yourself. 2 third party applications were nice enough
to
tell
me that it was running at 666mhz. Besides, its much more fun to type
666
instead of 667. Talking with the guy who sold me the video card (who
used
to
work in RD for motorola), it would seem that intel is pulling more of
a
marketing
ploy than anything else.
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/sspec/p3p.htm - show me the
PIII666 on that list?
You have misunderstood what I typed, dresden. I'm not naming the chip,
im describing it. It runs at 666mhz. It does not run at 667 mhz, and in
fact it CANNOT run at 667mhz. The fact that it is called a 667mhz chip by
intel is obviously a move to disassociate it from spooky evil columbine
type hacker idiots.
So, when I run a PIII-500 Mhz chip (normally 5x100) at 600 Mhz (5x120) does
that make it a PIII600? Effectively yes, but not technically so. And I would
never call the PIII800 I'm running now a PIII1062 (8x133(approx)) - people
would look at me like I'm looking at you now.
ALTHOUGH I will grant you this, it's was renamed to 667 by Intel marketing
to specifically avoid the 666 association (but not from Columbine).
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix rules in Redmond
Date: 4 Oct 2000 16:36:01 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rd6gr$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'm sorry dude, but sometimes you hear something so silly you can't stop
from laughing...
I'm sure he'll post the tux results ... it's all they've got...
Dont you have something better to do?
Yup - it's what I do the rest of the time... right now I'm laughing at the
sun rep who tried to sell some 1s to one of my clients...
Oh I remember you, youre the one that thinks (incorrectly) that microsoft
can compete in the heavy-server market. We've all been laughing at you
for some time.
And whos the client? I wont tell anyone, I promise. :)
=.
--
"It's natural to expect there might be people doing stupid things
with computers"
---Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's national infrastructure
protection center commenting on Y2K concerns about hacker attacks
--
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway?
Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:39:08 -0500
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rd9a4$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
"." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rbsj5$29bm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
why? are the linux IDE drivers that bad?
No, but DMA is often optional. You can turn it on, you can turn it
off.
Why wouldn't you want to use DMA?
If you had read all of the posts in this thread dresden, you would
understand
that both chad and I have covered that point in some detail.
You can also set its parameters in great detail. Its really very
handy.
DMS parameters ... ALL of them, SO many of them.
Depending on the hardware, up to 22 of them. But you probably didnt know
that, since you know next to nothing about
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449
Linux-Advocacy Digest #449, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Another M$ Troll (droll?) (Jacques Guy)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Drestin Black")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) (.)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Roberto Alsina)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:55:56 GMT
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
"Mike" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Colin R. Day"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike wrote:
Netzero makes a linux client
Interesting, as a search with "Linux" at Netzero's
site produced 0 matches. Also, Netzero claims to only
support Windows, with Mac support to come later.
www.netzero.net
Colin Day
Hmmm, maybe its just vaporware.
I based my statement on this article.
http://www.internetnews.com/isp-news/article/0,,8_403361,00.html
and this one
http://industry.java.sun.com/javanews/stories/story2/0,1072,27296,00.htm
l
I've never used the service personally.
Well, he's right, those two news reports (which are actually the same
news report: www.internetnews.com produced the report and it was
published in two locations) indicate that NetZero claims it has free
ISP access for Linux.
I've written them as a previous NetZero user and asked to be "let back
in". With any luck, I'll get a response I can share with the ng.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
--
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:04:49 +
From: Jacques Guy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Another M$ Troll (droll?)
http://boss.afr.com.au/people/20001003/A30068-2000Oct3.html
afr.com is the Web site of the Australian Financial
Review, a daily financial newspaper. And no, "accessable"
is not a spelling mistake: some bright bulbs at McQuarie
university in New South Wales decided Australia needed
an Australian dictionary, and decided to rationalize
the spelling. So you end up with "accessable". I don't
know if they made incomprehensible "incomprehensable",
I don't own a McQuarie dictionary and never will --
I wouldn't even _steal_ one. The thought processes of
the local M$ honcho, Houghton, appear to be about on par with
the McQuarie dictionary.
--
From: "Drestin Black" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-)
Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:18:04 -0500
"Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8recd9$lr9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi all,
I've just set up two dual-processor Redhat GNU/Linux 7 computers both
booting with RAID1 for high reliability. I am also making use of the newly
GPLed MySQL on both computers.
One computer provides NAT and IPChains firewalling services. Both also
provide an Apache/PHP development environment.
To set this all up has cost $0 for the software. Knowing that Microsoft
provides a lower total cost of ownership ;-) I'd be interested to know
what it
would cost to move these computers to a full Microsoft solution.
It appears I would need this software:
1) 2xNT4 or Window 2000 Server licenses to provide RAID1 on both
computers.
2) 4xCPU licences for MS-SQL.
3) 1xMS Proxy Server(?)
4) 1xOffice 2000 Premium for Mail client, Frontpage, etc.
Actually, you need only two copies of Windows 2000 professional - this will
provide you with the RAID and NAT functionality plus IIS for web
development. You could run apache on this if you wanted to. You could run
server if you wanted increased functionality. You do not need to have CPU
licenses for SQL server, why not individual CALs - it'd be cheaper. And
probably only one SQL server accessible from both machines - why do you need
two seperate instances? Office 2000 premium might be overkill - depends on
your real needs. Outlook Express is a mail/news client included free with
W2K. Frontpage is available seperately much cheaper than the jump to
Premium. Premium is worth it only if you intend to use the rest of the full
O2K suite.
Yes - you'll actually have to spend $0 on a legit MS solution. yep...
Now there will be advantages/disadvantages to both configurations. But is
the software cost differential and loss of freedom really worth it?
Who really believes MS provides a lower TCO?
But, see that "T" in TCO? It's not "CO" which is
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450
Linux-Advocacy Digest #450, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 14:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Do Linux suXX??? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: IBM announces 64-bit mainframes and 64-bit Linux for S/390 (The Ghost In The
Machine)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (.)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) ("David T. Johnson")
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (.)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Do Linux suXX???
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:39:10 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote
on Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:50:51 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
...care for some healthy reading good folks?
ok here you have it:
http://www.osopinion.com/Opinions/MontyManley/MontyManley15.html
Interesting. And how do we fix this "freeloader syndrome"?
Go back to Microsoft?
Make Linux closed-proprietary?
Encourage more users to join in and make quality contributions
of their own?
Encourage the development of a "super-code-sniffer" for increased QC/QA?
Switch to Java, where uniformity is almost guaranteed, as opposed to
C++ where different platforms have annoying idiosyncratic differences?
I'll admit, I am a little worried myself about Linux's direction, but
I rather doubt that a closed-end solution, like Windows 2000, is
the answer. Not that I'm sure what *is* the answer, at this time,
but I'm pretty sure W2K is not it -- although I suspect MS will make
pots of money from it (and it is both more reliable and has more features
than NT4, its immediate predecessor, from all accounts that I have
read).
One issue I have with Linux is that the documentation is fragmented:
do I look in /usr/doc, 'man', 'info', HTML, or the ultimate in
documentation, the source code? Still, it's not that bad, although
reading it on occasion does require a bit of technical expertise
on one's system that many newbies may not have -- for example, that
a 16550 is a serial UART (so is a 16650, turns out -- and that one
is the one I have on my firewall and it can go 4x as fast; setserial
works like a champ :-) ).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux and Free Internet?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:27:22 GMT
In article 8rfm29$r59$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article 8rdbjh$26rc$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I haven't been able to spare $20 a month in several
years for regular Internet service, so I've had to
use several "Free ISP" internet service providers.
Unfortunately, all of the "free internet" (i.e.,
ad-bar) services only have software for the Windoze
9Whatever OSes. So I've been in the irritating
position of requiring a multi-boot computer for
years, and booting into Windoze to get on the
Internet. Freewwweb.com used to exist to provide
non-ad-bar Internet for Linux users, but they
recently merged with Juno and now Juno is the only
company.
If you want to get Linux on the desktops and laptops
of the world, you need to get *any* of the Free
Internet companies to create a version for Linux.
Linux has software to replace every single Micro$oft
application. If you could advertise that Linux
essentially "comes with" free internet service,
Linux usage would increase. A clever licensing
agreement could even put the "free isp" software on
the distribution CD itself.
Oh I see. In order for linux to 'succeed' (whatever
that means), it has to make YOU happy.
You're right, I didn't say that right. "You" *should*,
rather than need, to get free internet for Linux. Also,
as far as success is concerned, I just think it would be
faster with free internet than without it. Right now,
Linux is proceeding at a decent pace. Add in free internet,
and Linux would get its own jet.
Do you have any marketing data to back up this assertion?
Well yes: when you give something away for free, something
good like the Internet, you tend to have more takers than
when you don't give something away for free.
Right now Win9x has an advantage over Linux: you'll pay about
$150-$200 initially, but you'll get free internet. With Linux,
you pay $30-$80 for the CD, and then you'll have to shell out
another $240 a year for the Internet Access.
This means that within one year, the Win9x investment has paid
for itself and saved you another $40 extra; while the Linux
investment has cost you $270-$320 with no end in sight for
the expenses.
Add in free internet for Linux, and the equation reverses
within the first six months: the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #451
Linux-Advocacy Digest #451, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 15:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop (Perry Pip)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How low can they go...? ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
From: Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:51:17 +
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
Said Jonathan Revusky in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
You make a strong case, but just how much more damaging was the behavior
from merely being 'provocative'. Again, the anonymity of the poster
*should* certainly be taken as an indication that inflammatory derision
such as claiming someone is an alcoholic or, archetypically, that they
are a "pedophile", is entirely false to begin with. Is it his
arguments, or his facts, which you wish to dispute? I'll question
either one, entirely, if he was posting anonymously. Why do you think
people post anonymously, and why I hate it?
I am not sure why *you* hate it. If you want to know why I hate it, I
made my reasons pretty clear in this post:
http://x51.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=662203720
"I am curious to see what kinds of response I get to these questions. I
will also be curious to judge them on the basis of their cogency and
logical soundness. Maybe that could provide some objective test of my
aforementioned mass-insanity hypothesis."
Yes, indeed. I found your article very interesting and quite
worthwhile. But I do disagree with your position.
First, I think if you have to come up with a new 'law' or 'force' to
explain how something works, you're out on a limb to begin with. You
can't create a 'law of accountability', and then try to compare it to
real-world activities like anonymity.
The law of accountability that I refer to is not my invention. The idea
that there is a principle in the world that you are accountable for your
actions -- that if you lie, you will be known as a liar, if you steal,
you will be known as a thief -- is not something that I can take credit
for as my original idea.
Your comment that, outside of the Internet, the availability of
anonymity does not exist, except for special cases. To a great extent,
that is true, but I'll point out that the special cases are not of a
pre-defined nature, and so I do not believe you are within your rights
to claim that someone doesn't fit into the classification of special
cases, as that would be second-guessing their circumstance, not
double-checking their responsibilities.
What special case? Name a public discussion forum in the non-internet
world which makes provisions for anonymous participation.
The fact that established public forums make no provision for anonymous
participation already suggests that it is not much of a fundamental
right.
The 'vacuum' of the lack of the law of accountability, in your analogy
of astronauts learning to survive without the law of gravity, so to
speak, is the natural order, I'm afraid. It isn't so much that we do
not have a 'law of anonymity' allowing people to speak while hiding
their identity, it is that your belief that such a thing could exist is
an extension of the law of privacy. There has been much debate on the
fact that there is no 'right to privacy' established in the Bill of
Rights or Constitution, though even the highest courts recognize that
this is a manifestation of everyone's basic rights, to at least some
extent. While you can't speak at a town meeting, normally, with a hood
over your head, you can author a work under a pseudonym.
In the latter case, there is a publisher that is taking some
responsibility for the content not being libellous. For example, you can
sometimes withhold your name when you write a letter to the editor of a
newspaper. But at best, that is like a moderated newsgroup. And a
moderated newsgroup has a very strong defense mechanism against the anon
jerks.
Max, your thinking on this is a bit muddled, I'm afraid. I've been
observing your participation here and, though you sometimes have
interesting things to say, I think you write entirely too much. If you
thought somewhat more and wrote somewhat less, your contribution would
have more value.
Jonathan Revusky
The lack of
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452
Linux-Advocacy Digest #452, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: How low can they go...? (Jonathan Revusky)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("2 + 2")
Re: GPL freedom ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("2 + 2")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (The Ghost In The Machine)
RE: Do Linux suXX??? ("Raul Iglesias")
Re: The return of Drestin Lack-o-facts. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Perry Pip)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (Darren Winsper)
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? (.)
From: Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:28:11 +
"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" wrote:
Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
| "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" wrote:
| Jonathan Revusky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
| | "James A. Robertson" wrote:
| | Peter van der Linden wrote:
| |
| | [...] I do somewhat resent you misrepresenting the
| | situation in this way. [...] Do you think that somehow Gary
| | Van Sickle had an unlimited right to make libellous
| | accusations from his anonymous account?
|
| Peter, there's no "unlimited right to make libellous accusations"
| anonymously and I don't recall anybody here arguing over that
| except Revusky. That's his straw-man that he keeps beating, and
| then claiming victory over.
|
| Well, it's not a straw man, Jon. It's quite literally what these
| idiots are maintaining. They are arguing that there is some kind
| of constitutional right to participate in a public forum
| anonymously. Furthermore, when you point out that much of said
Yet you just now dropped the 'unlimited' part, which in the past you
introduced into the debate.
| participation was libellous in nature, they simply repeat their
| claims about the "right to anonymity".
As opposed to the supposed 'unlimited right to anonymity'.
Well, Jon, if the "right to anonymity" they believe in includes the
right to slander others with impunity, never having to show your face,
then it's pretty darned unlimited, don't you think?
I mean, you seem to be desperately trying to snipe at me via my slightly
different choice of words this time -- that I did not include the
"unlimited" part. But I'm not a computer, Jon. I may well say things in
slightly different ways from time to time. But the overall set of views
that I've been espousing are pretty consistent.
| So you're arguing that it would all be okay if the... organs of
| the state were involved somehow. And the fact that they
| weren't is what makes writing a letter of complaint so wrong...
|
| Interesting position. Are you actually willing to maintain that?
Regardless of what my position would be, as Mr. Robertson points out,
discussions with you are generally not worth the time. So, no. I
will, however, occasionally point out misrepresentations of the
record and faulty logic, as I did in the previous post.
IOW, you're not going to answer the question. That would be a waste of
time, I guess. And tiresome. It is tiresome to have to back up what you
say The only thing more tiresome is trying to debate with someone
who refuses to back up what he says because of how tiresome that is
Tiresome squared
sigh
Jonathan Revusky
| [... discussion on ad hominem attacks]
| In the past, in comp.lang.java.advocacy, Revusky regularly added
| ad hominem attacks to his arguments, apparently believing that
| applying it to an argument (often to "cause [...] psychic pain")
| converts it from something to be shunned in a discussion to
| something perfectly reasonable and proper. This is what he
| means, above, when he says "was merely name-calling". Mr.
| Robertson is justified, IMO, claiming that he just didn't want to
| discuss with Revusky; it is tiring, for the reason he mentions.
Revusky wrote:
|
| You know, Jon, I don't even think that you are debating any of
| this out of sincerity. It's just that you're mad at me, have felt
| humiliated by me in various exchanges, and are desperately trying
| to get back at me in any way possible. I don't believe that
| anything you're saying here corresponds to any profound
| convictions on your part. Certainly, it's very half-baked, not
| very well thought out.
|
| So, already, it is bad enough that you discredit yourself by
| making these stupid arguments. But what is worse is that there is
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453
Linux-Advocacy Digest #453, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Corel bailed out by MS? Let the games begin! ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: GPL freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Corel bailed out by MS? Let the games begin! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Linux? ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Corel bailed out by MS? Let the games begin! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Karen Rosin)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (junekis)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:05:36 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:58:08 GMT,
Chad Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: 1) 2xNT4 or Window 2000 Server licenses to provide RAID1 on both computers.
:
: Windows 2000 professional will do all this.
Don't read those license agreements much, do you? Win2k Pro is not to be
used as a web server platform. You need to buck up at least $800 per
copy for Win2k Server.
: At my current employer I hear the phrase, "The mail server is down again,
: it should be back up after a reboot". The mail server, of course, being
: a Linux mail server. I imagine there will be only a few more of these before
: our management complains that they are missing emails.
Hmm.. Since your "evidence" is anecdotal, I'll counter with an anecdote of
my own. Here's our mail server at work:
[cliff:jcostom](03:57pm)
/home/jcostom$ uptime
3:57pm up 103 days, 7:05, 1 user, load average: 0.33, 0.20, 0.21
The last time it was rebooted was for a kernel upgrade. Before that,
it as up for about 180 days.
A couple of web servers:
(2 large sites, a servlet engine, single P-III/550)
[cipher:jcostom](03:02pm)
/home/jcostom$ uptime
3:02pm up 107 days, 6:55, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
(74 small sites, a servlet engine, single P-III/650)
[deathstar:jcostom](03:42pm)
/home/jcostom$ uptime
3:42pm up 111 days, 59 min, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
A DNS Server:
[fuzzy:jcostom](03:42pm)
/home/jcostom$ uptime
3:42PM up 324 days, 6:54, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.11, 0.09
: Or more importantly, who really believes MS can sustain a lower TCO if a
: MS solution is indeed more attractive at this point in time?
:
: Everyone who has deployed an MS solution properly and is reaping the
: benefits.
Like my friends who work at a large insurance company's data center down
the road here (in NJ)? Their standard operating procedure is to reboot
anything running NT or 2000 every Sunday night at 7:00PM. Their bluescreens
have been cut by 2/3 since instituting weekly reboots... They do "wacky"
things like run Compaq Proliants with 100% Compaq-sanctioned hardware,
with all of their "special" Windows installs (to accomodate the Compaq
butchered hardware), and such crazy applications as SQL Server and Exchange.
--
Jason Costomiris| Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
--
From: "Nigel Feltham" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Corel bailed out by MS? Let the games begin!
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:01:54 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message ...
http://netscape.zdnet.com/framer/hud0022420/www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news
/0,4586,2635894,00.html
claire
I don't suppose this would be an attempt to kill off corel's support of the
wine project would it?
I wouldn't be surprised if VMWARE get buyout offers from microsoft next,
anything to prevent
linux users from being able to run windows applications under other
operating systems.
--
From: "Simon Cooke" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: GPL freedom
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:18:16 -0700
"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rftu4$10f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
| In which case -- why would I write the book in the first place,
| when I can be a short-order cook instead and put bread on the
| table?
To get the name that allows you to make profits on the speaking
engagements. Or because you want to and love doing it. One
advantage of having a huge networked world is that there's bound to
be plenty of people that do things just for the love of doing them.
Like Linux, stories and music might be created the same way, and with
greater quality than those created for sale.
The thing is, until you get to a Star-Trek style utopian society where money
is no object, it's still not going
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454
Linux-Advocacy Digest #454, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
2.4! (Bartek Kostrzewa)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: How low can they go...? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Brian Langenberger)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Adam Warner")
From: dc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:52:25 -0500
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:39:21 -0500, Bryant Brandon
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], dc
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
@Do you have any proof that it can do that?
Machine #21, AUDB room #307c, UNT campus, Texas. IOW, the very
machine we've been discussing this entire thread.
The *ONLY* thing we know about the machines in question is that
you're
getting a disk error @ login. Aside from that, *EVERYTHING* else
mentioned in this thread is pure conjecture.
@@@
@@@ You asked for "any" proof. Is this not "any" enough for you?
@@@
@@@No, because it isn't proof. You have no proof that the -profile- (and
@@@limiting it via quotas) is the issue here in any way, shape, or form.
@@
@@ So, now you want quotas too?
@@
@@I want you to fix this problem by finding someone to help you, rather
@@than simply giving up.
@@
@@Before I run around trying to prove
@@things for you, would you mind telling me what all I need to prove
@@before I begin? You have a nasty habit of applying "bully rules" to
@@your conversations. ie, changing the rules midway when you start
@@losing.
@@
@@You have a nasty habit (you've done it here in this PC discussion of
@@your lab's issues) of blaming a lot of things without having a shred
@@of proof. I'm merely pointing out to you that you don't have that
@@proof, so you really don't have any idea what's wrong or whether
@@quotas/profiles are at fault (or would help).
@
@ You don't want me to prove it. OK.
@
@I don't? I didn't say that. Learn to read. I said you can't because
@you don't have proof. You aren't capable of doing so. You may want
@to do it, but it probably isn't going to happen.
I told you to be specific in what you wanted me to prove, and you
refused. So, no matter what I prove, you'll later saddle it with more
qualifiers/exceptions, and make me prove it all over again. But as soon
as you're willing to tell me what to prove, I'll be happy to prove it.
Prove the disk issue would be solved by quotas.
I haven't given contradictory information. I've given information
that could apply in a variety of different scenarios, and you got
confused.
@@@
@@@ Yes, you gave a variety of scenarios. However, when you presented
@@@them, you gave _no_ indication that they were different.
@@@
@@@Your lack of technical understanding clouds the issues.
@@
@@ By "technical knowledge," do you mean "familiarity with windows," or
@@do you mean "ability to read my mind"? Perhaps there is another
@@definition I did not consider. Please, elaborate.
@@
@@Familiarity with Windows, NT/2k in this instance.
@
@ So, it's not really a lack of technical knowledge, as you stated, but
@a lack of familiarity with windows. Calling me nontechnical implies
@that I am incapable of understanding, whereas I merely lack knowledge.
@That was rather dishonest of you. Now, we've established that I don't
@really lack technical understanding, merely a lack of information, how,
@exactly, would that explain how I got confused, without assuming that
@you're a poor writer?
@
@Spin...spin. Joe Ragosta would be so proud! (But he's off slinking,
@after we handed his guts to him on a platter for his incredibly
@numerous debacles and screwups.)
It's not my fault you cannot write intelligently.
I write *very* intelligently; you're spinning.
@Do you have any administrative experience at all?
Yes.
At what, exactly?
@@@
@@@ My stuff. Net BSD on my IIci talking to my Quadra. Two
@@@ machines.
@@@
@@@Two users: root, and me.
@@@ Therefore, I have administrative experience.
@@@
@@@Not even close. You've set up a single BSD machine, something
@@@that
@@@typically takes about 30 minutes to a few hours and requires
@@@no
@@@or
@@@a
@@@very light technical skillset; administrative experience would
@@@be
@@@doing that for a job (say, during
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455
Linux-Advocacy Digest #455, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 18:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Photoshop for Linux (Karen Rosin)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: SE is simply unstable!!! ("George")
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ("Mike")
Re: SE is simply unstable!!! ("George")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (Michael Marion)
Re: Unix rules in Redmond (Michael Marion)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:24:14 +0200
From: Karen Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Photoshop for Linux
"David M. Cook" wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:41:11 +0200, Bartek Kostrzewa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why doesn't Adobe port Photoshop to Linux?
Well, if they did sensible things, they wouldn't be Adobe, now would they.
Dave Cook
They are to busy fighting with Macromedia...
--
From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:32:42 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
El mié, 04 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
Wrong, moron. If anything, I'm saying that only people who build their own
homes know good design.
I am pretty sure some good architects live in houses built by others.
I am pretty sure that most architects suck and that your standard of "good"
vis-a-vis architecture also sucks.
Wrong, imbecile. People who know pure OO languages well almost always know
crappy procedural languages like C++ and Java. You couldn't find an example
of the reverse if I gave you a century.
Your logic skills are pathetic.
Why the astronomical density of your idiocy doesn't crush you into a black
hole is beyond me. Only cretins who can't ever work rigorously feel the
need to be pedantic at irrelevant times.
There is no need, since you already gave me one. You see: if the person who
knows pure OO languages always knows C++ and Java, then he is an example of a
person who knows C++ and Java and knows pure OO languages.
Now give me the century.
I have a vat of formaldehyde that will do nicely
--
From: Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:43:15 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
El mié, 04 oct 2000, Richard escribió:
No, cretin. Psychopathy is a property of BEINGS, not humans. Aliens
could easily be psychopaths.
Assuming they exist, the definition of human would probably extend to include
them.
In that case, I demand that you formally and rigorously define 'human'
and explain why it includes or excludes 1) human psychopaths, 2) AI,
and 3( corporations.
And btw, you're a fucking cretin to not define human as homosapiens.
Consciousness is irrelevant. He *has* lost (some of) his rights
Such as?
The ability to piss when he wants to.
Not in the corporation I work for.
And this is even remotely relevant because . ?
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is not perfect and this can be judged
because human rights are *NOT* made in such declarations, they're only DECLARED.
Sure. The UN, however, only declares rights they deem existing, one would
The UN is not an expert on moral philosophy!
assume. So, they would disagree with you about there not being a right to
religion.
I don't give a shit, and nobody who knows anything about morality gives
a shit either. And the mere statement of the theorem I gave would be
sufficient for anyone who knows anything about moral philosophy to be
able to construct the proof of it on their own.
Again, not *all* their stock. You see, if a corporation announced a plan to buy
back all the stock, the natural price point for stock would be exactly the
fraction of the assets of the corporation (I'm guessing, but it sounds natural).
And of course, this is completely irrelevant since this situation never
needs to come to pass in order to go from corporation to cooperative;
what the original problem was and the only thing I gave a damn about.
A corporation can issue stock to its employees at the same time that it
is buying back stock from non-employees.
--
From: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000
Linux-Advocacy Digest #459
Linux-Advocacy Digest #459, Volume #29Wed, 4 Oct 00 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The real issue (Steve Mading)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Adam Warner")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Chad Myers")
Re: What kind of WinTroll Idiot are you anyway? ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux - - Troll (Dave Ratcliffe)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Chad Myers")
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Adam Warner")
From: Charlie Ebert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:04:47 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
I said almost because their MIGHT be one or two
pieces of software that weren't for Windows, but
I couldn't find 'em.
http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/spoc/
(click on a few of the links/screenshots on the left)
They even use Windows (NT apparently) to control
life-support systems including warning and
monitoring systems:
http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/spoc/cautwarn.html
Here's an example of one of the three network diagrams
they have for the space shuttle and space station:
http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/106.LAN.nominal.html
At least a few of them are windows, but, judging by the
software it says the no-named-OS computers are running,
it appears they are Windows as well.
No mention of Linux, MacOS, or *laf* OS/2
Guess they actually want some productivity. They also
trust their lives to it because they know that when it's
properly set up, NT can be the most stable OS available
(2nd only to Win2k, of course).
-Chad
That being also the one which went poof.
The ones which went into Mars at 62 degree angles were W2k equipped.
Snikker.
Ah, Story uses Linux on his laptop. He took it with him on every
flight
as they needed to do some work.
Love
Charlie
--
From: Steve Mading [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The real issue
Date: 5 Oct 2000 01:06:41 GMT
Kolbjørn S. Brønnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Hi all!
: I just wanted to say that I am a bit fed up with some of the advocacy for
: Linux that I have seen here. People who say that Netscape haven't crashed
: at all, people who claim Linux is a good desktop OS, compared to W2K.
This depends largely on how you use Netscape. Netscape on Linux is
very crash-prone when visiting certain sites using Java, but not
at all if you have Java turned off. I used to crash Netscape about
once a day. Then I adopted a policy of leaving Java support turned
off until I hit a site where I knew I needed it, and turning it on
just while visiting that site only. That got rid of a lot of the
silly little "let's use an applet to make a stupid animation" stuff,
and consequently, the crash-prone java code that was behind it all.
I consider this a failing of Netscape's Linux support rather than a
failing of Linux itself, since Linux has several standalone java
implementations that work fine - its only the one built into Netscape
that seems so buggy. Now that I've adopted this policy, I haven't
crashed Netscape once in 6 months. So where am I going with this?
Simple: People who say "Netscape never crashes" might just happen to
be people who don't visit sites with Java applets, and so as far as
they know, it doesn't crash. They might not be liars, like you claim.
(Oh, and incedentally, the crashes from Java sites don't always happen
right away. Sometimes they just start a neverending loop in a thread
hidden away behind the scenes that doesn't go away. This sometimes
doesn't cause a crash until much later in the browsing session, after
the offending site is long forgotten. That's why it took me a very
long time to trace down the cause of it. The cause and the effect
were sometimes separated by more than 10 minutes of realtime.)
: These are not the important issues. It's obvious to me that Windows has the
: best desktop environment, the best applications and so-on.
: The important issues are: do we want to use proprietary office suites with
: proprietary unpublished file-formats? Do we want to use proprietary
: development languages and tools? Or, do we want free exchange of
: information and freedom from the immoral mafia that is Microsoft?
That's only an important issue to some. I'm not in a field where I
ever need to bother with office type applications, so I'm rather
ambivilent on that issue (until some moron sends me something in
Word format even though it's nothing more than dumb text with
paragraphs, and so could have been done in ascii without any loss of
formatting, then it becomes an issue.)
--
From: "Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460
Linux-Advocacy Digest #460, Volume #29Thu, 5 Oct 00 00:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Chad Myers")
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Adam Warner")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (STATIC66)
Re: The real issue (Steve Mading)
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("James Stutts")
Re: Why should anyone prefer Linux to Win2k on the DeskTop ("James Stutts")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Chad Myers")
Re: RAID on Win2k Pro ("Chad Myers")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Timberwoof)
Re: GPL freedom ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Chad Myers")
Re: Another M$ Troll (droll?) (Ian Pulsford)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Loren Petrich claims THIEVERY = LEGITIMATE WORK ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: "Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RAID on Win2k Pro
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:03:04 GMT
"Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rgmo7$jri$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi Drestin and Chad,
Actually, you need only two copies of Windows 2000 professional - this
will provide you with the RAID...
I thought you were both wrong about this but I didn't want to contradict
you before I got the answer from Microsoft's web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWS2000/library/resources/reskit/samplechapters/fnc
b/fncb_dis_gxih.asp
(NB: FT stands for fault tolerant)
"Creating new FT sets, such as mirrored and RAID-5 volumes, is only
available on computers running Windows 2000 Server. The disk must be
upgraded to dynamic disk before these volumes can be created. You can,
however, use a computer running Windows 2000 Professional to create
mirrored and RAID-5 volumes on a remote computer running Windows 2000
Server."
Any response?
Yep, I read through the help and you're correct. This must be a new
thing in Win2K pro, because I am 99% certain that NT 4 Workstation
would allow Mirror sets, at least (not RAID-5, I'm pretty sure).
Didn't we agree, earlier, though that you'd need Win2K server anyhow?
I'm not sure if you answered me on this.
Ok, so Win2K Server OEM is around $500. ~$1000 for two copies. Both
come with 5-client licenses. CALs are around $75-100 per 5-pack
but get cheaper when you get into the 25 - 100 CAL ranges.
You haven't said how many users you have, so I can't quote you a price.
With Win2K Server you have many more features now anyhow, so it makes
it worth your while.
-Chad
--
From: "Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RAID on Win2k Pro
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 15:27:02 +1300
Hi Chad,
Yep, I read through the help and you're correct. This must be a new
thing in Win2K pro, because I am 99% certain that NT 4 Workstation would
allow Mirror sets, at least (not RAID-5, I'm pretty sure).
Thanks for responding honestly to a crap, arrogantly idiotic poster.
Adam
--
From: STATIC66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:34:22 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:43:59 GMT, Loren Petrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Loren Petrich wrote:
The Marxism here is your posture of being an exploited, oppressed
worker.
Wrong. That's HUMAN RIGHTS.
So Marxism is human rights?
The human right to keep what you earn without having it confiscated
by the government.
It's not confiscated. It's legally mandated. The law says pay taxes,
and if you wish to break the law, then don't call yourself law-abiding.
I'm surprised that Mr. Kulkis is not organizing a big tax strike.
Kinda like purgury, it is legally mandated you will not lie under
oath. If you do you should be PROSECUTED..
But thats Ok right?? after all according to you alll he did was help
monica practice blowjobs...
--
From: STATIC66 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:40:38 GMT
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:34:41 GMT, Loren Petrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aaron R. Kulkis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wrong. Millions of people go to college while earning
what is considered to be "poverty level" incomes.
ROTFL. Their tuition is always subsidized, however, whether by their
parents or by government-backed loan guarantees. Furthermore, most
college students come from middle-class or upper-class homes,
