Linux-Advocacy Digest #414
Linux-Advocacy Digest #414, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 04:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux has one chance left. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux has one chance left. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux has one chance left. (GreyCloud) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (GreyCloud) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (GreyCloud) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (GreyCloud) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (GreyCloud) Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the closed source model doesn't work! (Flacco) Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MS (GreyCloud) Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (GreyCloud) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Mikkel Elmholdt) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:45:13 -0700 The Ghost In The Machine wrote: In comp.os.linux.advocacy, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Thu, 10 May 2001 16:21:31 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Said [EMAIL PROTECTED] in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 On Wed, 09 May 2001 14:58:17 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Pete Goodwin in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 08 May 2001 20:32:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So in other words you don't know what you are talking about and have no facts to back up your foolish statement? That appears to be the size of it. And here V had the naivete to say you weren't a troll, Pete. You should feel stupid. Why should Pete feel stupid? You made a statement that you can't back up because you haven't a clue concerning Direct-x. I use it. It sucks. 'Nuf said. Perhaps you can clarify this statement. One does not use DirectX directly, as it is an API/library; instead, one plays a game or uses a sophisticated 2-D or 3-D rendering system which requires Direct X. I assume, for the sake of this argument, that Direct3D is built on top of DirectX. You'll see why in a moment. I play Unreal (it's one of my many faults :-) ) and have noticed that, at least on my machine, that OpenGL is slightly buggy but looks gorgeous, and Direct3D, while bug-free for the most part, makes me think of looking through a screen door because of its dithering method. As always, non-accelerated software rendering looks like crap, but is usable. For what it's worth. [.sigsnip] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here EAC code #191 10d:01h:40m actually running Linux. I don't hate Microsoft. Just their products. A good criticism. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:46:50 -0700 Terry Porter wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2001 23:33:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2001 23:03:47 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very incisive point, Terry. I can't wait to see flatfish flop around in the bottom of the boat, now that his favorite gambit has been nullified so completely. While Terry and I disagree on 95 percent of what we discuss, he at least backs up his claims with facts. Well I try to, tho my Wife who is doing an english literature degree, tells me I should always name references at the end of the articles I write! Your wife is very correct! The intelligence community always works with graded references. Without references, it is just worthless dribble. You on the other hand... Max is an excellent debater, I've admired his posts for years so nyah, nyah! flatfish -- Kind Regards Terry -- My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux. 1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes.. Current Ride ... a 94 Blade Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/ ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org ** -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:49:16 -0700 Terry Porter wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2001 18:35:52 +0100, Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... I use it. It sucks. 'Nuf said. Linux. I use it. It sucks. 'nuf said. All operating systems suck, but for me, *Linux sucks the least*. -- Kind Regards Terry -- My Desktop is powered by GNU/Linux. 1972 Kawa Mach3, 1974 Kawa Z1B, .. 15 more road bikes.. Current Ride ... a 94 Blade Free Micro burner: http://jsno.downunder.net.au/terry/ ** Registration Number: 103931, http://counter.li.org ** (Now if I could only convince you to spend $75
Linux-Advocacy Digest #413
Linux-Advocacy Digest #413, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 04:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Paul Colquhoun) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Jeff Barber) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Dave Martel) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (GreyCloud) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (GreyCloud) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:10:04 GMT On Fri, 11 May 2001 01:07:57 -0400, JS PL hieverybody! wrote: | |T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Suddenly we need to qualify what is possible and what is not? Way to | go metaphysical, dude. Go look up the word unfalsifiable in a really | big dictionary, OK? | |No such word (go figure) it looks like it's just another word you made up. |But then it gave me a huge list of suggestions begining in un. I clicked |on unbalanced and there was a picture of you. tee hee.. http://ucsub.colorado.edu/~earl/phil1400/falsificgroupsSp00.html -- Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Life Churchhttp://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=- xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by a leather-clad, New Zealand woman. -- From: Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:19:40 GMT Jan Johanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:3afb33c7$0$78412$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... At least when I buy some Linux distro I own it outright. No licenses akin to the likes of MS at least. You think you can do whatever you'd like with that Linux setup eh? OK, change something. Try to keep it to yourself. Ooops you are in violation of the GPL - Stallman is gonna kick your little sisters butt if you don't share your efforts with everyone for free. Nothing in the GPL forces you to share anything. However the way you are allowed to share is very restricted. Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Jeff Barber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:43:54 -0400 JS PL wrote: Judge Jackson's ruling will divert innovative companies from creating better products. Ha! Worse, it will send the message to innovators around the world that in America we punish success. Ha Ha! It is this ruling, not Microsoft, that is damaging to consumers, as it would deny consumers new products, better accessibility and lower prices. Ha Ha Ha! I'm confident the appeals court will reject Judge Jackson's notion that any one man can foresee how this world of possibility should unfold. US Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX) Ha...Oh, you mean this guy is being serious? Dang, I thought this was an SNL skit or something. Sorry. My bad. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 00:11:17 -0700 JS PL wrote: This decision makes it clear that the Justice Department has no understanding of American business or the marketplace, and that the Justice Department has no respect for property rights - intellectual or otherwise. I would be worried if Microsoft did not appeal this decision. Allowing the government to take away the property rights of a company, simply because the products it created have become popular sets up a very dangerous precedent. Judging from its activities under the Clinton/Gore Administration, if anything should be
Linux-Advocacy Digest #415
Linux-Advocacy Digest #415, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 05:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (GreyCloud) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Mig) Re: Linux disgusts me (GreyCloud) Re: Linux disgusts me (GreyCloud) OT: ASUS releases games cheat drivers (Dave Martel) Re: Linux disgusts me (GreyCloud) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (GreyCloud) Re: Linux in college high school (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: Linux in college high school (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: Scummy slimy politicians (Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS) (GreyCloud) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:14:39 -0700 Tom Wilson wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Tom Wilson wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Tom Wilson wrote: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... snip Yes...they are a nation of chess-players, compared to the US, which is a nation of poker-players. when it comes to this sort of algorithm development, the chess-player's mind will always be the best for the task Mind you, wouldn't you play chess if you lived in Siberia, from negative 50 degrees celcius during the winter to a max of 35-40 degrees celcius during the summer. Explains the massive amounts of Vodka guzzled, too. No...the vodka guzzling is for the same reason that medieval Europe lived on wine... fresh water that isn't properly treated is potentially lethal. And most tap water in Russia is NOT potable I wish *I* could find so good an excuse as that (Big vodka fan) g Just to note, the rubbish we get in the west, is not the real vodka. My father was on a trip in the Czech Republic, the taste of the real Russian vodka is awsome. Any alcoholic beverage sold in the states is crap. The best rum is Venezuelan and the best vodka, Russian. We *DO* make the best moonshine, though. (Native West Virginian) Russian vodka is very smooth and deceptive. It kicks like a mule but is very polite about it g According to a Canadian Liquor company (Seagrams), as I heard on the Larry King radio talk show in the early 80's, 90% of all beverages were made from crud petroleum. Only the high priced stuff over $60 / pint were made from grain. -- V -- From: Mig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:16:24 +0200 Mikkel Elmholdt wrote: Actually, funkybreath, if youd been paying attention at all, you would realize that I always thought that caldera was full of lazy corporate fatcats, as is mandrake, redhat, and a handful of other distribution houses. Excuse me for asking, but are there actually any commercial Linux-based companies (distros or other business) that you approve of? I think he uses the FreeBSD 4.2 version of Linux so its he's prefered distro :-) A good guess would be Slackware and Debian or some ot the small weird distros - it looks like the rebel wann-be-geeks prefer small unknown distros at the moment. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:16:41 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 09 May 2001 23:50:54 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that's where Solaris CDE makes life easy. There is a True Type panel to choose fonts from in various sizes for different parts of the display. The default font is quite ugly, but once you start using the other fonts they are very smooth and not blurry. After all the startup screen shows Adobe Postscript tm. Aix uses CDE as it's default WM as well. I like it because it is simple to use. flatfish That's what my wife said too! I still have to convince her to buy a sun blade 100. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux disgusts me Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:17:22 -0700 Edward Rosten wrote: Aix uses CDE as it's default WM as well. I like it because it is simple to use. CDE is quite nice (and avaliable for Linux aqs well :-). I prefer the way FVWM2 deals with virtual windows, though. -Ed flatfish -- You can't go wrong with psycho-rats. u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k I like the virtual windows! Wish it were incorporated into CDE! -- V -- From: Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: ASUS releases games cheat drivers Date: Fri, 11 May 2001
Linux-Advocacy Digest #416
Linux-Advocacy Digest #416, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 06:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: where's the linux performance? (GreyCloud) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Greg Cox) Re: OT: ASUS releases games cheat drivers (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Greg Cox) Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Joseph T. Adams) Re: Windows makes good coasters (GreyCloud) Re: the Boom, Boom department (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the (GreyCloud) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (GreyCloud) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (GreyCloud) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Joseph T. Adams) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Edward Rosten) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux Users...Why? (GreyCloud) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: where's the linux performance? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 01:52:48 -0700 Greg Copeland wrote: Thank you. That was my point exactly. I think both are pretty stable these days, I'm just betting that the hardware combo for my mail-server, even though they are all on the compatibility list, just are not ideal for BSD. Does this mean that I think BSD is junk. No, I just think that BSD needs some work as it pertains to my particular hardware. I think it's about on par with what Linux and other UNIXen have to offer. Meaning, all OSs have some hardware which doesn't allow the OS to put its best foot forward. I guess we should start here because I feel rather lucky that a flame war didn't start there. ;p Greg GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Copeland wrote: I run BSD on one of my mail servers. This same box run Linux for years without problem. As my mail server, again, running BSD, it seems to crash about twice a month. While I certainly have nothing against any of the BSD's, I for one think that the stability is over rated of BSD. I have no doubts that it still on the same page as Linux, for better or worse. The only thing I know about BSD is what is provided as compatibility for it in Solaris. BSD code has been hand-over-hand checked for any errors. BSD code for the mail servers may not be hardware tolerant ,.. or some hardware related incompatibilities. Seen things like this in windows as well... one piece of hardware works great while another gives nothing but headaches. -- Greg Copeland, Principal Consultant Copeland Computer Consulting -- PGP/GPG Key at http://www.keyserver.net DE5E 6F1D 0B51 6758 A5D7 7DFE D785 A386 BD11 4FCD -- I couldn't agree with you more on the hardware issue! Done a lot of automated test engineering for the Navy Dept. and have even found old tests invalid. Software and hardware go hand-in-hand. Both rely on each other for reliability. Even solved a hardware failure on a HoneyWell computer for government payroll. A chip was overrated for its fan-out capabilities and burned out about once every other month. -- V -- From: Bobby D. Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux still not ready for home use. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:55:23 +0600 Bob H wrote: Gotta agree. My dad at age 75 took up computing last summer, using Win98. He's getting pretty darn good at it too. But if he had to look at a command prompt (boy do I like helping people at work by using a Dos box-the looks of fear are astounding), he would have dropped it right away. Much less a Linux command prompt. Interesting. I'm running Linux, and there's not a command prompt visible anywhere on my screen. More interesting yet, I'm using -- are you sitting down? -- a keyboard to type this message. I'll bet you sophisto Windows users use the mouse and pull down a menu to tell the compter which character goes in your message next, or at least have a completion utility that lets you just type in the first word of your post and then automatically guesses the rest of it for you, but I'm content with that oldfangled keyboard thingy for that kind of thing. I find it useful for various other things too, when I'm not in the mood to click around 8-10 times just to do something easy. So though I don't happen to have a command line visible right now, I know how to get one faster than you can say 'registry'. Bobby Bryant Austin, Texas -- From: Greg Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:58:42 GMT In article [EMAIL
Linux-Advocacy Digest #417
Linux-Advocacy Digest #417, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 07:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (GreyCloud) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (GreyCloud) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Marada C. Shradrakaii) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (Ketil Z Malde) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Joseph T. Adams) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:21:10 +0200 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said Peter Köhlmann in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Daniel Johnson wrote: Why are thse APIs and that int 21h foolishness not an API? int 21h is not an API, it is a low-level DOS interrupt routine. You aren't being clear. Is the int 21h thing not an API because it is: 1. low level If this is it, then it seems like there's overlap between the stuff DOS does and the stuff Win32 does, so either parts of this DOS thing are APIs, or parts of Win32 are not. 2. DOS If this is it, then I may say that seems pretty unfair to DOS. :D It certainly *is* an API, albeit a quite primitive one. Nonetheless, all basic stuff for an DOS-API is there. It just happens that it is more geared towards assembly language. Doh! Just happens, huh? No credibility to the theory that something is what it was designed to be, huh? No such concept of an assembly language programming interface, an ALPI, so I guess that means that DOS interrupts are, in an absolute concrete fashion not worth questioning, an API. Is that the way it goes? Well, you can throw around semantics all day long. DOS was a (very primitive) OS. And the *only* way to get access to its services was by way of those INT21h routines. Now, that is exactly what an API does, and you can twist words as much as you like, that fact is unchanged. That the way to access was better geared to assembly language does not change it. All the compilers available at the time had no difficulty accessing it. Peter -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count and those who can't. -- From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4 Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:37:38 +0200 Jan Johanson wrote: Use Linux if you don't like the licensing deals other software offer. Then again even Linux has the GPL but apparentely communism is prefered over capitalism with that bunch... You *are* an asshole, Jan. Keep politics out of here. I know a lot of people who use linux. *None* of them, myself included, is a communist or likes those ideas. Peter -- The social dynamics of the net are a direct consequence of the fact that nobody has yet developed a Remote Strangulation Protocol. Larry Wall -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:49:18 -0700 Peter Köhlmann wrote: Nigel Feltham wrote: This is similar to that Homepage virus that was out today. HELLO! Is anyone still stupid enough to open unknow attachments especially those that are VBX files? HELLO?! Hasn't everyone updated their outlook to the current version which prevents you from executing these VBX files from the e-mail with a double click? HELLO... all current versions of Outlook will completely block access to a VBX or EXE file, period. Anyone that got hit by that virus today is a complete moron and Outlook/MS is certainly not to blame. Do you mean the patch that makes Outlook unuseable to anyone who needs to send or receive several file types - it would certainly piss me off to be sent an email contining an EXE file I need which takes an hour to download on my 33.6k modem only to find the sodding email package
Linux-Advocacy Digest #418
Linux-Advocacy Digest #418, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 07:13:04 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Joseph T. Adams) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Ian Davey) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Donn Miller) Re: Microsoft Windows for Linux (Matthew Gardiner) From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:41:37 -0400 JS PL wrote: For one brief exciting moment before rubber-stamping Joel Klein's poisonous brew of regulations and divestiture for Microsoft, the Judge actually displayed a rare flicker of independent judgment. Shortly before capitulating, the Judge asked Klein why splitting the company in two would not just create two monopolies - one having the most popular operating system, and another the most popular Office suite for that operating system.. To an economist, the most fascinating thing about the Judge's question is how clearly it illustrates the impulsive promiscuity with which antitrust lawyers abuse the word monopoly. To the Judge, and to reporters who never questioned his question, it all comes down to market share. Alan Reynolds, director of economic research, Hudson Institute, National Review, June 7 Yeah... they should be broken into several pieces. -- Rick -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:44:24 -0400 JS PL wrote: Judge Jackson's decision today indicates, if there was ever any doubt, that he has fallen hook, line and operating system for the government's flawed arguments. Robert Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute, ZDNet News, June 7, 4:35 PM PT Explain that to the several States Attorneys General. -- Rick -- From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 06:44:59 -0400 JS PL wrote: Unfortunately, given Judge Jackson's previous misguided findings in the government's antitrust case against Microsoft, this decision is not surprising. The judge continues to exhibit an unfailing inability to grasp the realities of the marketplace, in particular that Microsoft is not a monopoly and must compete against current, emerging and future competitors. Raymond J. Keating, chief economist, Small Business Survival Committee Tell that to the several States Attorneys General. -- Rick -- From: Joseph T. Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: 11 May 2001 10:43:26 GMT In comp.os.linux.advocacy Jan Johanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : Dan Kegel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... : Yes, but for the moment, Microsoft is a nose ahead. I'm really looking : forward to comparable results for the X-15 web server, a userspace : Linux web server said to be 5% faster than Tux at single-CPU SPECweb99 : tests. : : I wonder how it'll fair against IIS6 which has a kernel mode option to : increase performance. I can't release beta information on Win2002 server but : I can safe, it's definately faster than IIS5. At serving static content, or dynamic? If the latter, than how do you ensure that we are comparing apples against apples, and not oranges, grapefruits, or fish? If the former, who cares, since the Web consists largely of dynamic content at this point? Don't you realize that Linux and FreeBSD and other server platforms will be improving during that time as well? And what does it
Linux-Advocacy Digest #419
Linux-Advocacy Digest #419, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 09:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux in college high school (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Matthew Gardiner) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (JamesW) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ketil Z Malde) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Macman) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) The Economist and Open-Source (Matthew Gardiner) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux has one chance left. (~¿~) Re: Linux in college high school (Robert W. Curry) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Ayende Rahien) From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows NT: lost in space? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:18:48 +1200 Travel to Russia, and the percentage of drunk Russians is higher than among those who successfully emigrate away from Russia. It's funny...people will get a military water-tank trailer and make kvas (a beer-like substance made by fermenting black bread), and just sell it directly out of the trailer-tank. When I first saw a photo of this in a book, I thought it was a joke photobut when I was in St. Petersburg, I saw it first hand. Drunkenness in Russia is on the decline, however. One reason is that the police are really cracking down on Public Intoxication...and getting picked up for P.I. in Russia is something you don't want. The police will take all of your money (No, no, you had no money when we found you...you must have given it away...you were just too drunk to remember any of it), and then put you in a cold dank cell and hose you down with a cold water (Oh, you started throwing up and making a mess of yourself and an awful smell in your cell). or it could be their negotiation skills, shoot first, ask questions later. Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Linux in college high school Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:24:01 +1200 Christopher Corbell wrote: I'm looking for leads to information, statistics, or just individual testimonials about the use of Linux in educational settings, particularly in high school, community college, university, and grad school settings. Does anyone out there know of any general sources of information on the use of Linux in these settings? I would especially be interested in the use of Linux in math science education. Also, I'd like to know about any advocacy groups, PC 'salvage' groups or similar organizations that are active in getting Linux used in schools. Thanks for any info. - Christopher Massey University in Wellington uses Digital UNIX for their servers running Samba. This is used as their main server OS, along with squid for proxy services. Central Institute of Technology (now known as Welltec). Debian UNIX, used in UNIX OS module. Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 23:36:10 +1200 Mig wrote: Mikkel Elmholdt wrote: Actually, funkybreath, if youd been paying attention at all, you would realize that I always thought that caldera was full of lazy corporate fatcats, as is mandrake, redhat, and a handful of other distribution houses. Excuse me for asking, but are there actually any commercial Linux-based companies (distros or other business) that you approve of? I think he uses the FreeBSD 4.2 version of Linux so its he's prefered distro :-) A good guess would be Slackware and Debian or some ot the small weird distros - it looks like the rebel wann-be-geeks prefer small unknown distros at the moment. Just looked behind the code then, you're right, it is freebsd 4.2 stable. Matthew Gardiner -- From: JamesW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:37:16 +0100 In article bwzK6.166$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] says... Not true. For instance, a one-time pad is considered weak, but is
Linux-Advocacy Digest #420
Linux-Advocacy Digest #420, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 09:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (mlw) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Matthew Gardiner) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Economist and Open-Source (Chris Sherlock) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Economist and Open-Source (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Brian Langenberger) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Matthew Gardiner) From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:42:55 -0400 Jan Johanson wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jan Johanson wrote: [snipped] Actually, it really good to see that stuff. I'll tell you why. RedHat 6.2 does not have the 2.4 kernel, it has 2.2. Some major SMP performance improvements were done in 2.4. Tux2 requires kernel 2.4 so ... I stand corrected, it was on 2.4. So, if the best and newest that Microsoft can produce, Win2000 Datacenter and IIS 5, is only 16% faster than a pervious distro version, and the older 2.2 linux kernel without SMP improvements, that's cool. That means the 2.4 kernel will kick its' butt with no problems. 2.4 just had it's ass kicked, I'm amused. Hardly, 6% is pretty much nothing. However. If one looks at the specifics of the tests, there are some interesting numbers. Linux had lower connection response time and a higher kps for data. 6% difference, at these performance levels, can be anything and is not even relevant. Not to mention we have different disk subsystem configurations. That 15K RPM disk? What did it do? Presumably it was the system disk. It could have been the disk to which the logs get written, which would have an impact on performance. So, Pay for MS Win2000 Datacenter, or get a Linux 2.4 distro for free. Hmm, which should I choose? the one that works best in your own given situation, of course. Let's think about that, $thousands for W2K, $0 for Linux. Um, Um, someone help me, here. Then there is uptime lol. What's the MTTF for Win2000? I keep forgetting, something like 180 days? So pay lots of money, get an operating system that is at best unreliable, or get equivalent performance and high reliability with Linux and/or FreeBSD for free. Given that SP1 was released only about 180 days ago I'd say 100% uptime is a pretty good figure. That's what I'm typically seeing, 100%. I boot up, then it stays up, until I need to turn it if, if I choose to. So you say, but I want to see proof. An OS isn't stable until proven unstable, it is unstable until proven stable. Any other point of view is reckless. I love how when arguments against performance fail, it's that old turning to 'uptime' jazz is next. uptime is VERY important. It is an indication of stability and predictability. uptime is FAR FAR more important that marginal performance gains. I would settle for something 10% - 20% slower if it were more reliable than something faster and less reliable. Which would you buy for daily use: A fast car that experiences frequent failures, or a slower car that needs no maintenance? Too bad the linvocates who don't even bother trying the stuff they dis haven't figured out what everyone else knows already. W2K is perfectly reliable. OK, prove it. Provide some independent information that backs that claim up. It is as stable as any other OS out there. If you mean Windows NT 4.0, maybe, if you mean the likes of Linux, FreeBSD, Solaris, etc. Get a clue. Besides, you simply cannot purchase a datacenter system that doesn't have a 5 9s uptime guarentee. That's how it works. Deal with it... Deal with what? Is there really any doubt that W2K rox the house? Yes, lots. The rumbling sound you hear isn't W2K rocking the house, it is the sound of fast SCSI hard disk writing W2K's memory dump to disk after the BSOD. Ha! that's funny - but just confirms to me what I've already guessed. You've never used W2K. lol, you don't believe that do you? -- I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws. http://www.mohawksoft.com -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #423
Linux-Advocacy Digest #423, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 10:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Charles Lyttle) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:00:29 GMT Said Rick in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 17:44:51 -0400; Daniel Johnson wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 [...] [snip] It dominates the business desktop because it's the best tool to build apps for that desktop. Or, more honestly, it's the best tool to build apps for that desktop, because it dominates (criminally) that desktop. Nobody ever accused you of being honest, though, eh, Daniel? :-* The amazing thing isn't really that you believe that. OK, Daniel...^ thats you being passive aggtressive. Thanks, Rick; quite insightful of you to notice. Take note, Daniel. It is an attempt to insult me to address me like that. Unfortunately for you, I have an infinite amount of dignity at my disposal, and so I don't get insulted very easily. You only succeed in making yourself look stupid when you say things like this. You go on in the message with a complete non-sequitor on what is 'amazing' about my accurate, consistent, and practical statement of my opinion, but none of that even begins to address the fact that even you must admit that choosing between your teleology and mine is something that should not be based on ignorance and bigotry. It is therefore an argument that can be reasonable discussed, if rationally approached. That's what courts are all about, and to blithely cast aside the outrageously compelling evidence (and fundamentally important principles of anti-trust law) because YOU want to insist that Windows is common because it is popular and it is popular because it is common and let the matter rest there... It simply isn't the position of an honest man. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:00:30 GMT Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: Or, more honestly, it's the best tool to build apps for that desktop, because it dominates (criminally) that desktop. Nobody ever accused you of being honest, though, eh, Daniel? :-* The amazing thing isn't really that you believe that. OK, Daniel...^ thats you being passive aggtressive. I'm glad you are here to tell me these things; Max never does. Can you explain why that is passive agressive? I really truly don't get it. Go ask a therapist; it isn't something we're making up. You don't get it simply because you are ignorant about it. Its not something you should learn from people on Usenet, either way. Go read a book. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:00:31 GMT Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Peter Köhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: If this is it, then I may say that seems pretty unfair to DOS. :D It certainly *is* an API, albeit a quite primitive one. Nonetheless, all
Linux-Advocacy Digest #421
Linux-Advocacy Digest #421, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 10:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Andrew Leonard: Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's (Matthew Gardiner) To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Drive Partitions (None) Re: De we need (or is there) a GPL Legal Defense Fund ? (Roberto Alsina) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Charles Lyttle) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? (Matthew Gardiner) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Andrew Leonard: Microsoft: Free-software licenses are the devil's Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:11:42 +1200 Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: Matthew Gardiner wrote: Visio (from Visio Corp.), Microsof bought the company, which is perfectly acceptable in the free market, however, then claimed it was their innovations that bought it into being, thats the part that pisses people off. Microsoft and AlGore are currently arguing over who REALLY did it. Didn't al gore create the internet? ;) Matthew Gardiner -- From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:21:27 +1200 I have gracefully moved from using StarOffice 5.2, and purchase Wordperfect Suite 2000 for Linux. I constantly hear the mantra that Until MS Office comes to Linux, it (linux) will never grace the harddrives of large corporate desktops. If that is the case, what is Wordperfect Suite 2000 missing? Wordprocessor: Wordperfect 9 Database: Paradox 9 Spreadsheet:Quattro Pro 9 Presentations: Presentations 9 Calender/Scheduler/Address Book/Memo's: Corel Central 9 Browser/Email: Netscape 4.76, I have only had it crash once on me, in the 2 months I have owned this copy of SuSE Linux 7.1. So, whats missing? Where is the huge gap between Wordperfect Suite and MS Office Pro? Matthew Gardiner -- From: None [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup Subject: Re: Drive Partitions Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:27:12 -0500 On Thu, 10 May 2001 23:34:09 +0100, Robert Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you tell me then, where I can get 16 cheap 8MB 30 pin SIMMs for my small machine ? ebay... I just saw 4 8meg simms go for $1.99 + sh USPS. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) Subject: Re: De we need (or is there) a GPL Legal Defense Fund ? Date: 11 May 2001 13:24:41 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 9 May 2001 17:09:48 GMT, Rob S. Wolfram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roberto Alsina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Condon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose MS took some GPL'd software and wrapped in up into Windows. Let's pluck an example out of the air and say it was a TCP/IP stack. The FSF says Whoa! you can't do that, that's a violation of the GPL!. Microsoft flips them the finger and says See you in court. Microsoft wins and the GPL is exposed as rubbish. What happpens then? The copyright is still held by the author (or perhaps the FSF). Microsoft now has no license to distribute the code *at all*. The GPL is no more. RIP. Net result for everyone is a lose, so nobody will allow it to go that far. Actually, the judge could declare the GPL only partially void, or partially unenforcable. The judge could, for example, declare that none of the you must give away the code stuff is valid, and turn it into something like the BSDL. I don't think that would be possible (see section 7 of the GPL). The judge can say ignore section 7. -- Roberto Alsina -- From: Charles Lyttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:24:51 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Erik =3D=3D Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: = This is incorrect. A true one-time-pad would be generated by reading a naturally random source of noise that an attacker would have great difficulty introducing patterns into. A good
Linux-Advocacy Digest #422
Linux-Advocacy Digest #422, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 10:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (T. Max Devlin) Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (T. Max Devlin) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux has one chance left. (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:54:51 GMT Aaron R Kulkis writes: Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron R Kulkis writes: Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron R Kulkis writes: Aaron chrisv wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because stupid bigots like to rationalize their hatred of gays by blaming them for AIDS. No. I merely refuse to associate with people who are so fucking suicidal. Again, the false logic from Kookis. Homosexual != suicidal. Homosexuality != unprotected anal sex. Idiot. Aaron Does protection ever break? Aaron a) no Aaron B) YES Is there a single documented case of HIV transmission during condom protected sex. No. Aaron Mostly because the gays are so promiscous that nobody has ever Aaron been able to determine which incident caused the infection. Nonsense. Aaron However, we DO know that Aaron A) condoms break Yes, but rarely. Aaron Would you play Russian Roulette with a 500-cylinder revolver? No, but this is more like a million cylinder revolver. Aaron B) the AIDS virus is small enough to get through LATEX (this is Aaron why anti-AIDS lubricants were invented) Never been known to happen, and it has been studied very carefully. There was a study done with over 200 couples, with one partner HIV+ and the other HIV-. All couples were instructed to always use condoms. One group followed that instruction, one sometimes used condoms, the other never. Not one case of HIV transmission occured in the 15,000 cases of intercourse in the first group. Aaron Spot the invented study. Not from me. Here is the cite: A Longitudinal Study of Human Immunodeficiency Virus Transmission by Heterosexual Partners, New England Journal of Medicine 331:341 (August 11, 1994). I. deVincenzi Condoms and HIV Transmission (Editorial) New England Journal of Medicine 331:391 (August 11, 1994). A.M. Johnson. Aaron Such a study violates *all* medical ethics codes. Not at all, all were advised to always use condoms. This means it is very hard to get HIV when using condoms, even if one partner is known to have HIV. Aaron Do Condoms break? Aaron a) no Aaron B) YES HIV very hard to get when using condoms. Yes. Aaron DOH! Aaron The life expectancy of a male homosexual is 20 YEARS SHORTER than Aaron that of a male heterosexual. No, this is a falsehood, based on a fraud's lies (Paul Cameron). Aaron No...this is a truth from the US Center for Disease Control Cite please. I do not believe you. I note the lack of a cite. Aaron What does this tell you? Nothing, as it is false. Aaron Wrong again, closet-boy. Step and cite it. I note the lack of a cite. Again. BTW, I find it amusing that you follow the bigot rule of assuming everyone that objects to your bigotry is a member of the group you are bigoted against. Do you also think anyone objecting to anti-semitism is Jewish? Aaron Oh, I see...so, you object to being subjected to the same kind of Aaron smear as what you do to others. I do not consider being called gay to be a smear. There is nothing wrong with being gay. I just note the odd assumption on the part of many bigots that objecting to the bigotry is done only by those that are direct victims of the bigotry. Again, do you assume anyone objecting to anti-semitism is Jewish? Aaron In other words, you're good at dishing it out, but you can't take it. Aaron Imagine
Linux-Advocacy Digest #424
Linux-Advocacy Digest #424, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 11:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Bob Tennent) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chad Everett) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Chad Everett) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Article: Want Media Player 8? Buy Windows XP (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: Linux has one chance left. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Bob Hauck) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Craig Kelley) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (JS PL) Re: No More Linux! (Craig Kelley) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: No More Linux! (Craig Kelley) Re: Linux disgusts me (Gary Hallock) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: 11 May 2001 13:50:56 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 11 May 2001 03:32:11 +0200, Ayende Rahien wrote: W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems. Linux and UNIX systems are capable of uptimes considerably longer than the total time W2K has existed. Win2K is capable of that too, what is your point? What is your point? The claim was made that W2K stays up every bit as long as unix systems. This was refuted by pointing out that W2K hasn't existed long enough for that to be verified. You now change the original claim to one of capability. This is called moving the goalposts. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 8 May 2001 17:52:17 -0500 On Tue, 8 May 2001 18:03:58 -0500, Steve Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Steve Sheldon wrote: I don't know, the ability to lie and make stuff up seems to be endemic of the Linux advocate. It has some psychological basis in wanting to justify to one self that you made a good decision, even though you have severe doubts. You sound as bigoted as the Linux advocates you so denigrate. Having been a Linux advocate, an OS/2 advocate and an Amiga advocate I'm well aware of the psychosis. Call it being Experienced. I'm not bigoted, I'm arrogant. It comes from being experienced. Been there done that... Zz I didn't start using Windows until 3.1 was released, and even then hated it until Win95 was released then I found it tolerable. I've been Linux free since 1996, Then you don't know much about it. Oh I think you'd be surprised. I was quite the Linux advocate at the time it was new and cool. Was even involved in the early stages of the Linux Documentation Project. I simply do not find it to be a very appealing operating system and find it disappointing that uneducated people are going around advocating it be used over technically superior solutions such as Windows 2000, Solaris, etc. You've been linux free since 1996 and you expect us to believe your utter idiotic blabbering? You've obviously been thinking free since 1996 too. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 8 May 2001 17:53:38 -0500 On Tue, 8 May 2001 18:04:52 -0500, Steve Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dave Martel wrote: You really should try Win2K. Microsoft got it right this time. Not quite, but they're making progress. Really? In your educated opinion what yet do they need to improve? Gee, maybe he's been Windows free since 1996. Sorry, 18 years of dealing with Microsoft has left a bad taste in my mouth. And my butt hurts. And Win2K still has some problems holding over from its legacy application control model. It is still possible for one app to lock up the system, although at least Win2K will eventually respond enough to let you kill the offending app. And a similar case is true with Linux/Unix. How would you know if you've been linux free since 1996? -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #425
Linux-Advocacy Digest #425, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 12:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Matthew Gardiner) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Chad Everett) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Chad Everett) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Chad Everett) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Chad Everett) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (2 + 2) Microsoft's Activation scheme for Office 2000 (Jeffrey L. Cooper) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Chad Everett) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (David Brown) Re: IE (Michael Pye) SUSE license (was: Linux Users...Why?) (Rob S. Wolfram) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) From: Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:03:12 +1200 The first sentence above is a completely false statement. But The reason the government has it in for Microsoft is their arrogant attitude to completely baseless charges of breaking some supposed consent decree. The reality is, they haven't broken any consent decree. The appeals court has already confirmed that little (but huge) fact. paste The appellate court today agreed. We find that the District Court erred procedurally in entering a preliminary injunction without notice to Microsoft and substantively in its implicit construction of the consent decree on which the preliminary injunction rested, the court said. The ruling sided with Microsoft on several grounds, including that Jackson failed to give Microsoft adequate notice that such an injunction was under consideration. It also ruled that the jurist misread a key provision of the 1995 consent decree which lies at the heart of the government's case. The preliminary injunction was issued without adequate notice and on an erroneous reading of section IV (E)(i) of the consent decree, the opinion states. /paste The appeals court has already ruled that Jackson misread the consent decree! For this and many other reasons that same appeals court will throw the whole case out, and they will most likely denounce it as one of the worst abuses by U.S. government upon the american people since Waco. Personally, I didn't really see how the argument relating to intergrated browser as anti-competitive. Question, what about KDE? GNOME? Netscape is a shit browser, thats why it lost to IE, and still, after 2 years, it still sucks like a vacuum. As for the comment regarding the OS, yes, there are some irregularities, however, besides that, Netscape had no one to blame except themselves, for producing such shoddy products. Matthew Gardiner -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH. Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11 May 2001 09:31:05 -0500 On Sat, 12 May 2001 01:08:24 +1200, Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have to agree on this ... the average consumer does not know about linux. The average consumer does not know about VM. The average consumer does not know about VMS. The average consumer does not know about Sun OS or other UNIX variants. When the average consumer goes into the usual store, like Wal-mart, they see MicroSoft oriented equipment. The average consumer is not made aware of alternatives. -- V The average person is a complete moron also, one only needs to look at the number of people who like to what programmes like when stunts go bad as a respresentation of moroness in the community. Matthew Gardiner According to statistics, the average person has average intelligence. Morons and smart people both occupy opposite ends of the bell-curve. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 11:09:12 -0400 chrisv wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chrisv wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: chrisv wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's assume that you are correct..that most men are bisexual. Please explain then, why all of these supposedly bi-sexual men at the typical bar or night club aren't hitting on each other after striking out with
Linux-Advocacy Digest #426
Linux-Advocacy Digest #426, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 12:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Chad Everett) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:02:36 GMT Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: I use both Mac and Linux (PPC and Intel) becasue i want to. If had the choice at work, I'd wipe the HD of every Windows machine at work. I know; but your personal preferences are not what matters. Really? Then why did you question my platform of preference? Mac bashing is fun. :D But rest assured that your choice of platform has nothing whatever to do with it. Windows is a development platform, and it is the developers preferences that makes all the difference in the end. Really. Developers dont care what users want? Developers dont care what apps -WE- want? You are full of crap. Developers care what apps you want. They use the tools that let them produce those apps that you want. And if that means they write Windows apps, then they write Windows apps. And Windows wins. [snip] -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:02:36 GMT Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson wrote: OK, Daniel...^ thats you being passive aggtressive. I'm glad you are here to tell me these things; Max never does. Can you explain why that is passive agressive? I really truly don't get it. Get a shrink. Wouldn't that be a very expensive way to discover what it is you are talking about, compared to just asking you? [snip] The amazing thing is you wont take your head out of Gates' butt long enough to realize what Microsoft has done, despite the fact that you have been given quotes from memos and emails from M$ employees and M$ competitors. Apparently you, also, find it hard to wrap your brain around the notion of anyone disagreeing with you. I have no problem with people disagreing with me rationaly. You don't see to consider *any* disagreement rational, though. [snip] My usual response to your quotes is to point out that that isn't what he said. ... and you are wrong, because that is usally in word for word form. Well, no, the that I meant to refer to was not your quotes, but your rather creative reinterpretations of them. I'm sure your quotes are accurate. If you were to fudge them, they would agree with you. -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:02:37 GMT Rob Barris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... In article HAEK6.15559$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some might; but I know the Mac toolbox. I wouldn't be saying this if it were cleanly scaling into the future or anything of that sort. And you did not know Rhapsody was a product? What do you mean? I'm not buying it. You are, of course, free to compare my specific claims and criticisms with the documentation that is available online at http://developer.apple.com You don't have to take my word for it. -- From: Daniel Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:02:38 GMT GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Daniel Johnson
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427
Linux-Advocacy Digest #427, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 14:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Mike) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (JS PL) Re: OT: ASUS releases games cheat drivers (Dave Martel) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Chad Everett) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Lloyd) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (David Brown) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (.) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (.) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (David Brown) From: Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:25:11 GMT Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... I have gracefully moved from using StarOffice 5.2, and purchase Wordperfect Suite 2000 for Linux. I constantly hear the mantra that Until MS Office comes to Linux, it (linux) will never grace the harddrives of large corporate desktops. If that is the case, what is Wordperfect Suite 2000 missing? Wordprocessor: Wordperfect 9 Database: Paradox 9 Spreadsheet:Quattro Pro 9 Presentations: Presentations 9 Calender/Scheduler/Address Book/Memo's: Corel Central 9 Browser/Email: Netscape 4.76, I have only had it crash once on me, in the 2 months I have owned this copy of SuSE Linux 7.1. So, whats missing? Where is the huge gap between Wordperfect Suite and MS Office Pro? Wrong question, Matthew. Similar to asking what Win2k can do that Linux can't, it misses the point that Office is the dominant product today. The primary question you have to answer is why people use MS Office. Ignore the humorous answers (Because they like looking at blue screens!) and the stupid ones (Because they're stupid sheep who just do whatever Bill tells them to) and all the conspiracy theories, and you'll be left with a list of real reasons why people aren't flocking to the competition. You might not like the answer, but at least you'll know. -- Mike -- -- From: BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? Date: 11 May 2001 16:17:19 GMT In comp.unix.advocacy Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 May 2001, Matt McLeod wrote: I got in trouble for trying to use LaTeX here when I started a few years ago. But with the changes coming up, it looks like LaTeX and LyX will become our standard doc tools. I have a preference for *roff, but I don't do any mathematical stuff. Actually, there is a need to become workingly proficient in both the *roff and the TeX systems in any good UNIX environment. I don't see either of those going away, anytime soon. The *roffs are quick and dirty, and are the default ascii output engines, plus they do a very respectible typesetting job, a few things given in change. Sadly, few folks are taught to ``think like a troffer'', anymore. TeX and company are the masters of the big typesetting department. But, it requires a bit of a learning curve to learn the nuances. As much as the point and click crowd would like to have a ``word'' sort of thingie on UNIX, I don't see that as viable in the short term, and not of high quality in the long term, unless things change greatly. Whether staroffice will fill that bill remains to be seen. The ancient arts of the *roffs and the TeXs have a lot of mileage left in them. They are a different mindset, though. Bob -- From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 07:29:23 +0200 Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Personally, I didn't really see how the argument relating to intergrated browser as anti-competitive. Question, what about KDE? GNOME? Netscape is a shit browser, thats why it lost to IE, and still, after 2 years, it still sucks like a vacuum. As
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428
Linux-Advocacy Digest #428, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 15:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Windows makes good coasters (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Igor Sobrado) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (spicerun) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: My plan worked! (Donn Miller) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Edward Rosten) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Donn Miller) Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS (Roberto Alsina) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Bob Tennent) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (The Ghost In The Machine) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (chrisv) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:25:07 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It continues to amaze me that the ONLY people having these sorts of absolute failures under Windows are linux users. Are linux users that univerally inadept at running Windows? No, rather involent. It only took me months to snip Your system has to be so broken to fail a burn on a current gen burner - Of course, I'm sure this support isn't in linux yet... Really people - at least learn how to setup and use an OS before attempting to disparage it. My OS set up by itself mainly. It is well documented. Friendly people from all over the world help me if I am out of ideas. But I will think of your kind advice. Can anyone tell my why this guy is so upset? Are you afraid, Jan? Why does the ignorance of this group nauseate you that much? Are you OK? Relax and enjoy the OS you've chosen. And try to have fun with it. Cheers, Burkhard -- = Burkhard Wölfel v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net = -- From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:27:22 +0200 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] something missing in my preceding post: It only took me months to get not used to it again. -- = Burkhard Wölfel v e r s u c h s a n s t a l t (at) g m x . de pubkey for this adress @ pgp.net = -- From: Igor Sobrado [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? Date: 11 May 2001 17:33:32 GMT In alt.solaris.x86 BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is a need to become workingly proficient in both the *roff and the TeX systems in any good UNIX environment. I don't see either of those going away, anytime soon. The *roffs are quick and dirty, and are the default ascii output engines, plus they do a very respectible typesetting job, a few things given in change. [...] TeX and company are the masters of the big typesetting department. But, it requires a bit of a learning curve to learn the nuances. Hi, Bob. I agree with you. TeX is probably the best option for serious typesetting but *roff tools have important advantages that should be considered. For example *roff are available in all Unix implementations (the same happens with ed and vi) but TeX is not available everywhere (like happens with emacs). I do not know *roff a lot (I only used it to send man pages to a PostScript laser printer). I will learn it now! I am sure it will be really useful for me too. Best regards and thanks to all for these useful advices! Igor. -- Igor Sobrado, UK34436 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: spicerun [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 12:20:55 -0500 In article HnUK6.31563$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wrong question, Matthew. Similar to asking what Win2k can do that Linux can't, it misses the point that Office is the dominant product today. The primary question you
Linux-Advocacy Digest #429
Linux-Advocacy Digest #429, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 16:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Bob Hauck)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (mlw)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien)
Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Edward Rosten)
Re: Windows NT: lost in space? (Tom Wilson)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Edward Rosten)
Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Greg Copeland)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (ne...)
Re: Linux in college high school (Edward Rosten)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Burkhard
=?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?=)
Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Edward
Rosten)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:46:48 GMT
On Fri, 11 May 2001 01:51:23 -0400, JS PL hieverybody! wrote:
[snip]
Ironically, it is the Department of Justice that has harmed consumers.
US Sen. Slade Gorton (R-WA)
A Republican from the state of Washington wants the DoJ to leave poor MS
alone. I am so...unimpressed.
--
-| Bob Hauck
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From: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 14:56:59 -0400
Ayende Rahien wrote:
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Jan Johanson wrote:
2.4 just had it's ass kicked, I'm amused.
Hardly, 6% is pretty much nothing. However.
That wasn't what was said when it was Linux over Win2K by 2.7%
By whom?
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From: Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 10:00:49 +0200
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Ayende Rahien wrote:
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Jan Johanson wrote:
2.4 just had it's ass kicked, I'm amused.
Hardly, 6% is pretty much nothing. However.
That wasn't what was said when it was Linux over Win2K by 2.7%
By whom?
Check the discussion, there were several.
I stopped reading most of the discussion quite early, IIRC.
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From: Burkhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?W=F6lfel?= [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux still not ready for home use.
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:35:44 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bobby, don't forget the harms mice can do to your hand. I am a musician,
playing various instruments and quite a fast typer, I think. Mice are
bad for my hands, I feel it every day i use them too much.
Normal users will notice those things in 10 yrs perhaps.
Just wanted to add that to your good points.
Burkhard
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
Bob H wrote:
Gotta agree. My dad at age 75 took up computing last summer, using Win98.
He's getting pretty darn good at it too. But if he had to look at a
command
prompt (boy do I like helping people at work by using a Dos box-the looks of
fear are astounding), he would have dropped it right away. Much less a
Linux
command prompt.
Interesting. I'm running Linux, and there's not a command prompt visible
anywhere on my screen.
More interesting yet, I'm using -- are you sitting down? -- a keyboard to type
this message.
I'll bet you sophisto Windows users use the mouse and pull down a menu to tell
the compter which character goes in your message next, or at least have a
completion utility that lets you just type in the first word of your post and
then automatically guesses the rest of it for you, but I'm content with that
oldfangled keyboard thingy for that kind of thing.
I find it useful for various other things too, when I'm not in the mood to
click around 8-10 times just to do something easy. So though I don't happen to
have a command line visible right now, I know how to get one faster than you
can say 'registry'.
Bobby
Linux-Advocacy Digest #430
Linux-Advocacy Digest #430, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 17:13:10 EDT Contents: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Edward Rosten) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Greg Copeland) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (jim dutton) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Edward Rosten) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Joseph T. Adams) Re: No More Linux! (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Roberto Alsina) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson) Re: Caldera CEO agrees with MS (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Erik Funkenbusch) Re: No More Linux! (Craig Kelley) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Matthew Gardiner) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina) Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: 11 May 2001 19:37:28 GMT Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Burkhard Wölfel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: If the overwhelming majority of men were truly bisexual, as you claim, then why what reason would that be? Read any Kinsey report Kinsey was into urethral insertion. Perhaps he really wanted to make people think the average weirdness is higher than expected ;-) -- Roberto Alsina -- From: Edward Rosten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:38:08 +0100 In article WZFK6.1083$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Chronos Tachyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 10 May 2001 02:27, Edward Rosten wrote: [Snip] Probably most of all applications. Back then there was a relatively small instruction set and not many resources. That said, you could do all the intXX stuff from C and QuickBasic (I don't think Qbasic shipped with this functionality). I did quite a lot of mouse stuff from int 31 (? its been a long time) from the QuickBasic int() and int86() functions. [Snip] I'm pretty sure you could do inline machine code even in QBasic. You stuffed your opcodes into a string, then did some sort of unusual syntactic incantation on it (something along the lines of CALL ABSOLUTE OFFSET$(code$), although it's been far too many years for me to believe that I got that right on the first try). You could, but it really sucked. -Ed -- You can't go wrong with psycho-rats. u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k -- Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm From: Greg Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11 May 2001 14:38:02 -0500 Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Personally, I didn't really see how the argument relating to intergrated browser as anti-competitive. Question, what about KDE? GNOME? Netscape is a shit browser, thats why it lost to IE, and still, after 2 years, it still sucks like a vacuum. As for the comment regarding the OS, yes, there are some irregularities, however, besides that, Netscape had no one to blame except themselves, for producing such shoddy products. Except, when Netscape went free, IE sucked even worse than Netscape did. That doesn't make Netscape good, it just means that IE sucked *MUCH* worse than did Netscape at the time. Think of it this way. Let's say that Microsoft was only an application company and that someone else was developing the OS. Do you think there would of been a snowball change in hell that IE would of been allowed to be integrated. No! It was junk. On the odd chance that it were allowed, there is no way it would of been allowed to be that tightly integrated. Assuming that both of those could of happened, chances are you might of even see Netscape Shell of some such thing which would of been allowed to compete with IE and its level of OS integration. But you didn't. None of it happened that way because Microsoft is a monopoly which illegally used it's OS to stomp out another product. If you disagree with any of the above, I highly recommend you find IE 1.0 or IE 2.0 and see how well the ultimate crash-o-matic
Linux-Advocacy Digest #431
Linux-Advocacy Digest #431, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Bob Hauck)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Linux disgusts me (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Windos is *unfriendly* (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Daniel Johnson)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux has one chance left. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Darren Wyn Rees)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Another Windows pc gets Linux (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Edward Rosten)
Re: The Economist and Open-Source (Mikkel Elmholdt)
Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Mikkel Elmholdt)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:12:22 GMT
On Fri, 11 May 2001 15:33:35 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Quite, apparently. No computer generated algorithm can generate truly
random numbers. /dev/random can create exceeding complicated predictable
patterns, but that doesn't make the truly random.
/dev/random is not a PRNG. It is more akin to the various hardware
schemes that people have mentioned (resistor noise, radioactive decay,
etc). The generated numbers will meet lots of statistical tests for
randomness, and they also meet your critera of being extremely hard
(probably impossible in practice) to predict from past behavior. They
do not repeat in a cycle as the output of a PRNG would. The source code
contains this explanation:
* This routine gathers environmental noise from device drivers, etc.,
* and returns good random numbers, suitable for cryptographic use.
* Besides the obvious cryptographic uses, these numbers are also good
* for seeding TCP sequence numbers, and other places where it is
* desirable to have numbers which are not only random, but hard to
* predict by an attacker.
*
* Theory of operation
* ===
*
* Computers are very predictable devices. Hence it is extremely hard
* to produce truly random numbers on a computer --- as opposed to
* pseudo-random numbers, which can easily generated by using a
* algorithm. Unfortunately, it is very easy for attackers to guess
* the sequence of pseudo-random number generators, and for some
* applications this is not acceptable. So instead, we must try to
* gather environmental noise from the computer's environment, which
* must be hard for outside attackers to observe, and use that to
* generate random numbers. In a Unix environment, this is best done
* from inside the kernel.
*
* Sources of randomness from the environment include inter-keyboard
* timings, inter-interrupt timings from some interrupts, and other
* events which are both (a) non-deterministic and (b) hard for an
* outside observer to measure. Randomness from these sources are
* added to an entropy pool, which is mixed using a CRC-like function.
* This is not cryptographically strong, but it is adequate assuming
* the randomness is not chosen maliciously, and it is fast enough that
* the overhead of doing it on every interrupt is very reasonable.
* As random bytes are mixed into the entropy pool, the routines keep
* an *estimate* of how many bits of randomness have been stored into
* the random number generator's internal state.
*
* When random bytes are desired, they are obtained by taking the SHA
* hash of the contents of the entropy pool. The SHA hash avoids
* exposing the internal state of the entropy pool. It is believed to
* be computationally infeasible to derive any useful information
* about the input of SHA from its output. Even if it is possible to
* analyze SHA in some clever way, as long as the amount of data
* returned from the generator is less than the inherent entropy in
* the pool, the output data is totally unpredictable. For this
* reason, the routine decreases its internal estimate of how many
* bits of true randomness are contained in the entropy pool as it
* outputs random numbers.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
Linux-Advocacy Digest #432
Linux-Advocacy Digest #432, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux has one chance left. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux and the War against M$ (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: SUSE license (was: Linux Users...Why?) (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: MS server appliance; 7 key benefits over Linux (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: Linux disgusts me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Linux disgusts me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the closed source model doesn't work! (Mikkel Elmholdt) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (Aaron R. Kulkis) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:05:36 GMT On Fri, 11 May 2001 21:48:57 GMT, Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the current high end audio boards prefer to use WDM drivers instead of MME types and Win98se is less than stable with the WDM drivers. Some work, some don't but the bottom line is manufacturers are writing for Win2k and XP. What!?! I develop WDM audio drivers! How are they unstable! With the current crop of high end audio cards (Midiman for example) the WDM's work great under Win2k but have proven less than stellar under Win98SE/ME. Besides, the Great Shaitan, I mean Microsoft, has decreed that all new device drivers shall be WDM, and no VXD one's shall pass GO and collect £200. Since all OEMs want they're stuff to pass WHQL, that means the rest of the industry has to follow suit. I know. Mind you WDM does offer things you can't do with VXD audio - like mixing of multiple application output (VXD ones typically report the device is busy). I know. Low latency is the big advantage for me. WDM also means one binary exists for Win9x and Win2K. A grand idea! Sort of It seems that the card manufaturers are passing on the Win98SE versions and telling us to use the Win2k version. Understand it has to be Win98SE/ME, standard Win98 won't work. The drivers are stable under Win2k but so-so under Win98SE/ME. Flatfish -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux has one chance left. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 22:05:36 GMT On Fri, 11 May 2001 21:32:50 GMT, Pete Goodwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, why didn't you point this out before. What took you so long? Did you believe you were talking to a Windows fanatic who would refuse to accept anything bad about Windows? Because he had to wait for you or I to make the point so he could borrow it. He knows nothing. flatfish -- From: Mikkel Elmholdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux and the War against M$ Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:14:55 +0200 Mad.Scientist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:OlE9gwy1AHA.55@cpmsnbbsa07... http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/9509.html Not a completely good and well-balanced article (a bit rosy and optimistic about future Linux development), although with some good points. Especially the bit about XP and Microsoft is trying to let the average home user, who usually bootlegs the software, pay the full price for its software. That one hurts and makes me wonder whether my next Windows upgrade will be to KDE? Mikkel -- From: Mikkel Elmholdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SUSE license (was: Linux Users...Why?) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 00:17:31 +0200 Rob S. Wolfram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Dave Martel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, I can freely copy and distribute the Slackware CD's to all the people I'm helping to get into linux. You can't do that with SuSE (read the license). It's been a while since I last read the YaST license, but IMO you are incorrect. It is allowed to give away copies of your SUSE (in fact YaST) distribution, but not to sell it. Still, I dislike SUSEs policy for using such a limited license for the main tool of their distribution, while OTOH riding the Linx bandwagon. Politics is quite an important argument why I use Debian... snip How is politics going to pay the salaries of all the good and qualified developers working full time for SuSE? Mikkel -- From: Mikkel Elmholdt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MS server appliance; 7 key benefits over Linux Date: Sat, 12 May 2001
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433
Linux-Advocacy Digest #433, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 19:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Roberto Alsina) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Aaron R. Kulkis) Re: Good Tex Pdf Files was Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS (Etienne Detriot) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Roberto Alsina) Re: To Erik: What is Wordperfect missing? (John Travis) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (The Ghost In The Machine) From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:33:23 -0400 Burkhard Wölfel wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: If the overwhelming majority of men were truly bisexual, as you claim, then why what reason would that be? Read any Kinsey report Kinsey was a fraud. Even his own department at IU says so. Read anything by Freud on general psychology Dr. Fraud is equally discredited. I rather easily pointed this out and gave some example reasons, showing you to be the illogical dumbass we all knew you were anyway, so now all you can do is start swearing at me. How quaint. Maybe it's for the same reason that even though getting a lot of money is a very popular idea, very few people actually rob banks. It's not THOUGHTS about robbing banks that gets you thrown in the klink, its THE ACT. Explain, is hallucinating about cocks and asses OK but not the sport or what? I don't care what you think about, just as long as you don't violate the behavioral code. By your dumbass definition, 99% of the population are band robbers. This is so funny, perhaps you should read Aristotle and some other Greeks too, not only on logic, btw. Standard engineering procedure is to check to see if the conclusion violates any of the original assumptions. -- Aaron R. Kulkis Unix Systems Engineer DNRC Minister of all I survey ICQ # 3056642 L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] K: Truth in advertising: Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala, Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan, Special Interest Sierra Club, Anarchist Members of the ACLU Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement, J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4, The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle), also known as old hags who've hit the wall I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the challenge to describe even one philosophical difference between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact, Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole H: Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because you are lazy, stupid people G: Knackos...you're a retard. F: Unit_4's Kook hunt reminds me of Jimmy Baker's harangues against adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn. E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until her behavior improves. D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup ...despite (C) above. C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me. B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction that she doesn't like. A: The wise man is mocked by fools. -- From: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:35:30 -0400 Roberto Alsina wrote: Burkhard Wölfel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: If the overwhelming majority of men were truly bisexual, as you claim, then why what reason would that be? Read any Kinsey report Kinsey was into urethral insertion. Perhaps he really wanted to make people think the average
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434
Linux-Advocacy Digest #434, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 20:13:03 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Rich Teer) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (GreyCloud) Re: Linux has one chance left. (Terry Porter) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (Chronos Tachyon) Re: SUSE license (was: Linux Users...Why?) (Dave Martel) Re: the Boom, Boom department (Chad Everett) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Ayende Rahien) USENIX 2001 Annual Technical Conference (Tiffany Peoples) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:09:12 -0700 Erik Funkenbusch wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Thats right... compare RH 6.2 to the latest MS O/S. What about the latest RH 7.1 then? I thought that was one of the advantages of Linux, that you didn't have to upgrade to the latest to get the latest stuff? Or are you now saying that you HAVE to upgrade to the latest version of the distro in order to see improvements? You don't have to upgrade. And under windows upgrading is a waste of money. Very little improvements in upgrading windows compared to upgrading under RedHat or Others. Win2K would be a different matter... XP I don't know about because I can't install it on my current hardware anyway.. with Linux I can. Most of the improvements under linux is the move to 2.4.x. Others are related to a faster X-server. And the rest is whatever someone has contributed. The contribs are interesting to explore... But the real big thing is that the cost is lower for the average user than windows. Last time I was at Staples I saw Win2K going for around $287 without upgrade. And for OEM install of WinME it was around $150. Then you have to add more money for the windows compilers if you want one. Which is another reason some upgrade to the newest version,... to get the latest compilers. I still have Caldera e-desktop 2.4... for me it works great. When I decide to upgrade Sun OS it won't be for the OS... it will be for the extra software that they provide, and for $75 it's worth it. -- V -- From: Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 13:28:36 +0200 Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien wrote: No, VMWare is my example of loading another OS. What Mac OSX does. Cgywin or Services for UNIX provides a *copatability layer*, this mean that you don't have another fscking OS beside the one that you already have. Except that with VMWare is an app that lets you run a second OS UNDER the one you are already running. Just like MacOS X does. Read carefully, VMware does what Mac OS X does, *bad idea*. A better idea, provide compatability layer, like cgywin Services for Unix. Got that? They should've done something like Linux does with WINE DOSEMU and NT Why not? It works. Well. Horribly inefficent! Would you accept a car that double its mile/galon ratio if you have two passangers in it? ... and VMWare is different how? It isn't, it's my parallel example to what Mac OSX does with OS9. You said VMWare was a better way to run apps of a differnet OS that the main one you are running. Now you are saying it is the same as MacOS X/Classic, but MacOS X/Classic is inferior. get your story straight. No, I gave VMWare as an example on the PC of what MacOS X was doing. I said it was a *bad* way to do it. Then I gave *other* alternatives. WINE on Linux, Cgywin Services For Unix on Windows. Any of the above is *much* more efficent than using VMWare. I *never* said that VMWare was a better way. And even then, we are talking about general trend in *new* applications being developped. What Apple need to do is to discourage any further development on OS9, and porting everything to OSX. They are trying to do that very thing. Not enough, you will still have plenty of legacy applications that would need OS9. And you'll have them for *years* to come. It's bloody hard to do something like this. And users would *still* want to use old applications. They have a successful track record in difficult switchovers. If this mean
Linux-Advocacy Digest #435
Linux-Advocacy Digest #435, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: The Microsoft PATH. (GreyCloud) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Terry Porter) Re: Microsoft's move away from perpetual licensing proves that the (GreyCloud) Re: Alan Cox responds to Mundie (GreyCloud) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bloody Viking) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (Terry Porter) Examples of Linux and Open Source in community development and public sector projects? (Todd, Graham) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Paul Colquhoun) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Linux Users...Why? (Terry Porter) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bloody Viking) Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Ray Fischer) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (mlw) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (T. Max Devlin) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Microsoft PATH. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 16:49:35 -0700 Erik Funkenbusch wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Erik Funkenbusch wrote: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message We are tho,... (ashamed) we could do magnitudes better than this. The original Amiga was developed by the orignial team from Atari. Not true. The Amiga was developed by a group of people, only one or two of them was from Atari (Well, Jay Minor created the chips for Atari, don't know if he actually worked for them), while others worked for HP and other companies. Their mobo design was very advanced for the price compared to the Intel boxes of that day. If Amiga had better management we would be seeing something equivalent to an SGI box or better. But, such that it is... It also had many limitations, for instance, serial ports were very unreliable do to their low priority over other things like the video display. This made it difficult to do reliable MIDI without an add-on serial card. I always reset the priority on these items. And just exactly how did you do this? You ripped the paula chip apart and rewired it's microcircuits? The interrupt controller is a part of the custom chipset, and not something you can change. You're starting to sound dumber every post. This part is utter bullshit from your perspective. All interrupt controllers can be reprogrammed or have priorities changed. Especially the Amigas chipset. Therefore, you are lying. No, not lying... you can set the various process priorities in the startup script that the amiga used during that time. I don't think you even had an Amiga... you've only shown that you've read the PC tabloids and believed in their BS. Actually, I've never seen better animation better than the Amiga in its days. I have read from various magazines of that era, that the Atari team (originals) were very much involved in the hardware side... Only Jay Minor worked for Atari, and even then I think he simply contracted and was not an employee. the OS was a Cambridge University design. No, it wasn't. It was designed by R.J Mical and Carl Sassenrath primarily. That's not what is in the OS developers book. It began as a university project. A very compact OS! The best I've ever seen to fit in under 1 Mb of ram. It was indeed very good, but it also lacked many very important features, like Virtual memory, Memory protection, and isolated process space. That is why I bought the A3000. It had a hardware memory management unit. Remember it was the Amiga OS vs DOS at that time. The serial port I've never used... as a matter of use, the internet wasn't there for the average user to use modems then. I never used a modem for it then... at the time I was more interested in the CPU architecture to program. Apart from what you could find at your local Amiga shop, about the only way to find software was to get a modem and call BBS's. I'd say you are an exception, almost all Amiga owners I knew had modems. The graphics were great during that time as well as it could do the best animation of its time. The basic interpreter from Microsoft was better than the interpreter for Intel. You're not aware that Microsoft wrote the Basic interpreter for it? Whats the matter, can't you read?? I just said it was a better interpreter than the same one that they wrote for the intel platforms. Amigas' problems were from management! They should have stayed with what they could do best. The developers of the Amiga may have well been from other companies, but Atari sticks out far more in my mind than the rest. Atari had nothing to do with the Amiga, other than
Linux-Advocacy Digest #438
Linux-Advocacy Digest #438, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:52 GMT Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 11 May 2001 13:49:48 On Thu, 10 May 2001 23:04:00 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 9 May 2001 19:51:31 On Wed, 09 May 2001 19:35:12 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Wed, 09 May 2001 05:23:57 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Les Mikesell in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 06 May 2001 21:06:14 The rules of copyright have always involved copying something, not necessarily literally, but something recognizable as a translation or derivative. Hence the name, copyright, I would imagine. If nothing but the API is involved on either side (as a correct program should be written), then no copying is involved. I find something recognizably being copied here, whether you do or not. Name it. [...] The exclusive right to profit from an author's work. How do you copy such a thing? Is this some sort of dada post? You copy it by profiting on their work without the author's permission. That doesn't make a copy of a right. It usurps that right (right that seems to exist only in your mind anyway). Rights being damned metaphysical, when it comes down to it, I reserve the right to imagine any particular metaphoric manipulation or transformation that might be necessary for it to perform. So usurping the right to copy thereby copies a right, and copies a thing, and thus isn't supportable by copyright. I know what I said is gibberish; but I know what you did is, too. It's like saying trespassers copy houses. Or that copyright infringement is theft of property. Don't you just hate metaphysical metaphors? Useless, aren't they? Bottom line; copyright is not metaphysical, and the GPL is a legally binding and valid private contract until somebody proves otherwise. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:53 GMT Said Lee Hollaar in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 10 May 2001 23:46:49 GMT; In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Said Lee Hollaar in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 9 May 2001 20:32:38 GMT; In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The exclusive right to profit from an author's work. Gee, my copy of the Copyright Act of 1976, as amended does seem to list that exclusive right. The ones that it does list are in 17 USC 106: We've been over this a BUNCH of times, Lee. Check the U.S. Constitution, which tends to take precedence over ANYTHING in statute. Funny, my copy of the Constitution doesn't say anything about an exclusive right to profit. What it does say is the Congress shall have the Power to secure for authors exclusive rights to their writings. And that is what Section 106 spells out. So, the Constitution gives Congress authority to pass a copyright law. They did. What do you think takes precedence? The Constitution, of course. Always has, always will. Says so, right in the Constitution somewhere, I think. Since now you've gotten a copy, why don't you look it up for us? Thanks for your time. Hope it helps. Not much, no. But at
Linux-Advocacy Digest #436
Linux-Advocacy Digest #436, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (T. Max Devlin) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (T. Max Devlin) Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:23 GMT Said Matthew Gardiner in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 12 May 2001 Correction: the marketplace is *supposed* to be driven by the demands of the consumer. Which is, of course, why, a hundred years ago, the U.S. Congress passed the Sherman Act, to ensure that this is all that would drive demand, and the desires of the producers (outside desire to compete and profit) are prevented from controlling prices or excluding competition. Having been found guilty of doing just this thing, and thereby providing more than adequate evidence that your claim that MS will magically learn to be competitive, and stop being anti-competitive, if people simply refuse to buy MS products, is just plain brain-dead. The market has been rejecting monopoly crapware for YEARS, and it hasn't done a lick of good, obviously. Thus, the federal conviction, soon to be judged on appeal. Even if they should win the appeal (at most resulting in a new trial), though, pretending that MS hasn't been monopolizing, rather than competing, for years, is just ignorance gone blind. The judges and lawyers need to maintain prudent presumption of innocence, but that is for courtrooms. In the real world, we are not required to deny the evidence of our senses. There is a rather critical difference between your fantasy world and the real world; the difference between being unwilling and being unable. I don't cotton to any ludicrous second-guessing about what people should be able to do that they are not already able to do. If you're going to say they should be able to avoid MS crapware, then I'd have to agree with you, but that's just double-checking that the criminal monopoly is remedied, not a matter of assuming the consumers are somehow unable to make competent choices in the marketplace. The arrogance of your position is both astounding and pathetic, and extremely unreasonable. Question, why is it everytime a company is bought towards the DOJ, its always the governments fault, reality stick please! why would a government wish to unnecessarily ruin a cash cow? Microsoft broke the law, had they gracefully accepted the findings, the trial would never taken as long, it would have improved the image of the company, in that it is humble enough to accept they made a mistake, and even at the outermost, the company was split up, no would lose out, consumers would benefit in that the OS company would only sell the OS, thus the rest of Microsoft cannot use Windows as a leverage, and vise-versa Just goes to show you how valuable monopoly itself can be. Microsoft would be willing to give up ANYTHING, save the monopoly itself, to save the monopoly. Some people are so naive as to think this somehow ensures competitive merit, in the absence of competition, as if desire to maintain the monopoly forces MS to improve their products. Then they line up to pay the monopoly prices (again); I did say they were 'naive', didn't I? Maybe just not very bright, seeing as they do it over and over again... -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How to hack with a crash, another Microsoft feature Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:25 GMT Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Chronos Tachyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:eTFK6.1050$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On Thu 10 May 2001 03:19, Erik Funkenbusch wrote: [Snip] on-time pads are theoretically uncrackable, but
Linux-Advocacy Digest #439
Linux-Advocacy Digest #439, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max Devlin) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (T. Max Devlin) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:07 GMT Said JS PL hi everybody! in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May For one brief exciting moment before rubber-stamping Joel Klein's poisonous brew of regulations and divestiture for Microsoft, the Judge actually displayed a rare flicker of independent judgment. Shortly before capitulating, the Judge asked Klein why splitting the company in two would not just create two monopolies - one having the most popular operating system, and another the most popular Office suite for that operating system.. To an economist, the most fascinating thing about the Judge's question is how clearly it illustrates the impulsive promiscuity with which antitrust lawyers abuse the word monopoly. To the Judge, and to reporters who never questioned his question, it all comes down to market share. Alan Reynolds, director of economic research, Hudson Institute, National Review, June 7 Ah, the old two monopolies argument. Can't be taken seriously, because if you believe in one monopoly, you understand why it can't happen, and if you use the argument, you don't believe in one monopoly to begin with. Just for reference, is the Hudson Institute to the left or the right of the far-right CATO Institute? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:08 GMT Said JS PL hi everybody! in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May Judge Jackson's decision today indicates, if there was ever any doubt, that he has fallen hook, line and operating system for the government's flawed arguments. Robert Levy, senior fellow in constitutional studies at the Cato Institute, ZDNet News, June 7, 4:35 PM PT Or, more honestly, that they aren't flawed arguments at all, but simply ones that Mr. Levy would like to disagree with, though he lacks the ability in terms of access to the court, strength of argument, or correctness of his opinion. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:09 GMT Said JS PL hi everybody! in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May Unfortunately, given Judge Jackson's previous misguided findings in the government's antitrust case against Microsoft, this decision is not surprising. I'll believe that when we hear Mr. Keating's explanation of those findings. Most everyone I've ever talked to seems to have a different idea of what happened then I do, but I've yet to hear an argument that is more accurate, consistent, and practical. Again, JS PL, Mr. Anonymous Troll, shooting ducks in a barrel is getting rather... Z, if you know what I mean. Care to actually take a position and defend it more coherently than lobbing random pro-MS rhetoric? The judge continues to exhibit an unfailing inability to grasp the
Linux-Advocacy Digest #437
Linux-Advocacy Digest #437, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 21:13:07 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:39 GMT Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Seriously, though, I think that it's a primitive API. Is there some taxonomy of APIs within the engineering community which I am unaware of? If not, you're just begging the question, I think. Which is fine, as long as you say I do not think it is really an API, although it is a primitive form of API. At least then we know the metaphysical ground you are standing on; where API's in the wild can be captured and domesticated and categorized. Let me ask you something; did anyone ever call DOS interrupts an API at the time DOS was prevalent? Or is this just hindsight that enables you to ascertain the morphology of APIs? No one called the first automobils cars, but they are certainly primitive sort of a car. It fits into the defination of API, so it's an API. It doesn't fit into the same category as most APIs today, so I called it primitve API. Well put. Now all you have to do is explain how some things are cars, but not automobiles, and some things are automobiles, but not cars. Oh, and we're still wondering what an API sitting curbside looks like, because the current theory is that they're rather less than concrete, in the way of physical objects. Or just admit that 'primitive API' is a rhetorical device for sparing the quibbling in saying it can be considered to be like an API but is not an API. It isn't so much the fact that APIs aren't concrete things, it's the fact that those most familiar with APIs have such trouble realizing that they aren't concrete things, which is so fascinating. To them, of course, APIs *are* concrete things, far MORE absolute and definite then the software on either side of the API. Yet this 'concrete' is the 'concrete' of things like truth and happiness, concepts which only occur in our minds, not as physical but as metaphysical objects. The meaning of the term API literally switches from concrete to ephemeral, magically, as soon as it leaves the very restricted and professional definition. Programmers themselves aren't even aware that speaking about an API is actually speaking about how a particular (possibly hypothetical) library works, not something separate at all. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:01:40 GMT Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 17:21:53 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:xEtK6.83$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Tell us then of *your* criteria a body of functions must meet to be classified as such... I asked him that before, couple of times, so far he refused to answer. I simply take him at his word that he's not a programmer when these little asides occur. I enjoy the arguments, though. Oh what the hell, what's *your* definitive opinion, as a programmer, as to 21h calls? That I'm glad to get rid of them :-) Seriously, though, I think that it's a primitive API. Is there some taxonomy of APIs within the engineering community which I am unaware of? If not, you're just begging the question, I think. Which is fine, as long as you say I do
Linux-Advocacy Digest #440
Linux-Advocacy Digest #440, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (T. Max Devlin) Re: Yet another IIS security bug (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Paolo Ciambotti) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Roy Culley) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) OT Movies (mlw) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: OT Movies ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: Microsoft's Activation scheme for Office 2000 (Roy Culley) From: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:02:24 GMT Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May 2001 Matthew Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Can't speak of uptime, because it's usually to expensive (and long) to benchmark those. But according to TCP.ORG, in the unclustered category, Win2K win on price/performance. On unclustered/clustered category, Win2K wins *both* price/performance performance. Support is more expensive on UNIX boxes, however, that is off set my the reduced amount of downtime, hence the reason why the New Zealand financial system runs on big irons. Interesting, I keep hearing about TCO for Unix being lower than TCO for Windows. I can't comment about downtime, I know that any Win2K box that I've seen was up, and *stayed* up, as long as its owner wanted it to. The only exceptions were driver problems. *Ding* *Ding* *Ding* We have a winner. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** -- From: Paolo Ciambotti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Yet another IIS security bug Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 18:38:04 -0700 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donal K. Fellows wrote: GreyCloud wrote: A friend of the family needs a little help in the court system. Do you or anybody know of the use of computers in court to prove one way or the other who is at fault in a traffic accident? This particular approach would use the laws of physics to determine the speed of the offender. I would think that the side of the car bashed in by an SUV could give clues to the approximate speed of the SUV. Most of the commercially available accident reconstruction software is little more than AutoCAD with a built-in calculator. Useless in court without expert testimony to back it up, and not always admissable. Do your friend a favor, and have him ask his attorney to contract with a professional expert witness who does this stuff. The police probably won't have anything more sophisticated than Crash-Zone printouts, but they will be able to depose an investigator with years and years of experience who knows how to present his findings effectively, and can stand up to tough examination in court. Your friend will have to match that, and even the most elegant software alone won't do it. The URL below is a good starting place to look for expert witnesses in your area. Your friend's attorney should already have a list on file. http://expertpages.com/experts/failureanalysis.htm -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Isaac) Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 01:18:34 GMT On Thu, 10 May 2001 23:03:59 GMT, T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like what? Look at the case L. Hollar cited. It gives the context for the reason why the statute was modified. Lee also posted an excerpt from the legislative history that where Congress explicitly indicated that they had that case in mind when they modified the statute. I think noting the purpose that Congress says they had in mind, and reading the plain meaning of the statute ought to be enough to convince most people. In any case, it would be very persuasive to a federal district court judge. One thousand dollars seems like a lot of copying when you are discussing music. As you say that would be several dozens of cds. But $1000 is a trivially small number of copies
Linux-Advocacy Digest #441
Linux-Advocacy Digest #441, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: OT Movies (Craig Kelley) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: Linux disgusts me (Gary Hallock) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Jan Johanson) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Jan Johanson) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Jan Johanson) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Jan Johanson) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Jan Johanson) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Jan Johanson) Re: Double whammy cross-platform worm (Jan Johanson) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Movies Date: 11 May 2001 20:21:51 -0600 mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would love, just once, a movie show a real data center. Cluttered wires, non-color coordinated boxes. Things impossible to find, not because of security, but because of simple complexity. I would love, just once, to be able to watch some of the new streaming movie formats on my Linux box. :( It seems that more and more trailers are making apearances for non-open formats than ever (hmm, could the MPAA have something against open source?) Like I always say, poor science fiction is due to bad writers. A good mystery writer would not dare describe a gun or a poison without a lot of research. Why do we give writers that use technical complications as part of the plot such leeway into stupidity? Thinking of any movie in particular? -- It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block -- From: Jan Johanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: 11 May 2001 21:23:05 -0500 mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jan Johanson wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jan Johanson wrote: [snipped] Actually, it really good to see that stuff. I'll tell you why. RedHat 6.2 does not have the 2.4 kernel, it has 2.2. Some major SMP performance improvements were done in 2.4. Tux2 requires kernel 2.4 so ... I stand corrected, it was on 2.4. So, if the best and newest that Microsoft can produce, Win2000 Datacenter and IIS 5, is only 16% faster than a pervious distro version, and the older 2.2 linux kernel without SMP improvements, that's cool. That means the 2.4 kernel will kick its' butt with no problems. 2.4 just had it's ass kicked, I'm amused. Hardly, 6% is pretty much nothing. However. If one looks at the specifics of the tests, there are some interesting numbers. Linux had lower connection response time and a higher kps for data. Lower reponse time because it was serving less connections. 6% difference, at these performance levels, can be anything and is not even relevant. Not to mention we have different disk subsystem configurations. That 15K RPM disk? What did it do? Presumably it was the system disk. It could have been the disk to which the logs get written, which would have an impact on performance. I don't think 6% is much - but when tux beat IIS in the first round by 7% it was linvocate heaven so... this is just a little form of payback :) So, Pay for MS Win2000 Datacenter, or get a Linux 2.4 distro for free. Hmm, which should I choose? the one that works best in your own given situation, of course. Let's think about that, $thousands for W2K, $0 for Linux. Um, Um, someone help me, here. sure, I'll help you. The two systems cost almost the same. Why? The cost of the OS is almost nothing compared to the hardware. Saving a few bucks with Linux doesn't add up to a hill of beans in the final equation. Then there is uptime lol. What's the MTTF for Win2000? I keep forgetting, something like 180 days? So pay lots of money, get an operating system that is at best unreliable, or get equivalent performance and high reliability with Linux and/or FreeBSD for free. Given that SP1 was released only about 180 days ago I'd say 100% uptime is a pretty
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442
Linux-Advocacy Digest #442, Volume #34 Fri, 11 May 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Chad Myers) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:57:29 -0700 Ayende Rahien wrote: T. Max Devlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Seriously, though, I think that it's a primitive API. Is there some taxonomy of APIs within the engineering community which I am unaware of? If not, you're just begging the question, I think. Which is fine, as long as you say I do not think it is really an API, although it is a primitive form of API. At least then we know the metaphysical ground you are standing on; where API's in the wild can be captured and domesticated and categorized. Let me ask you something; did anyone ever call DOS interrupts an API at the time DOS was prevalent? Or is this just hindsight that enables you to ascertain the morphology of APIs? No one called the first automobils cars, but they are certainly primitive sort of a car. It fits into the defination of API, so it's an API. It doesn't fit into the same category as most APIs today, so I called it primitve API. Pretty soon you guys are going to call your hands and feet APIs. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 19:59:30 -0700 Dave Martel wrote: On Fri, 11 May 2001 00:15:03 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Martel wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2001 17:21:53 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me ask you something; did anyone ever call DOS interrupts an API at the time DOS was prevalent? Or is this just hindsight that enables you to ascertain the morphology of APIs? -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** I've looked all over my documentation sets from MS dating back to 1987. No such wording back then about APIs. I'm beginning to thing MS has been re-painting their old horse a new color is all. Somehow, the semantics are being changed. Don't know how official it was, but I remember a time about 12 years ago when DOS API was a common term. I've long since thrown it out but also used to have a book entitled something like A Programmer's Guide to the DOS API. That is unfortunate for me. I have never seen the term API until long after I retired. I thought when I saw it that it meant the GUI form of a routine call. I guess I'm just out of date is all. I think the current term for people like us is, obsolete old dinosaurs. g Well, if it weren't for us 'dinosaurs' these kids wouldn't have their PCs. :-) -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:04:06 -0700 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said GreyCloud in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 17:21:53 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 10 May 2001 Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:xEtK6.83$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message Tell us then of *your* criteria a body of functions must meet to be classified as such... I asked him that before, couple of times, so far he refused to answer. I simply take him at his word that he's not a programmer when these little asides occur. I enjoy the arguments, though. Oh what the hell, what's *your* definitive opinion, as a programmer, as to 21h calls? That I'm glad to get rid of them :-) Seriously, though, I think that it's a primitive API. Is there some taxonomy of APIs within the engineering community which I am unaware of? If not,
Linux-Advocacy Digest #443
Linux-Advocacy Digest #443, Volume #34 Sat, 12 May 01 00:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Paul Colquhoun) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Linux still not ready for home use. (Bobby D. Bryant) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Isaac) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy product) (Ayende Rahien) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (3FE) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (JS PL) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (GreyCloud) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (GreyCloud) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Colquhoun) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 03:10:04 GMT On Fri, 11 May 2001 03:41:06 +0200, Ayende Rahien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | |mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message |news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... | Jan Johanson wrote: | | 2.4 just had it's ass kicked, I'm amused. | Hardly, 6% is pretty much nothing. However. | |That wasn't what was said when it was Linux over Win2K by 2.7% Only by people who didn't actually read the test reports. People who did read the test reports tended to comment on the length of time between the Linux results (the earlier ones) and the Windows results, and on the differences in the hardware of the platforms the tests were run on. -- Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Universal Life Churchhttp://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=- xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by a leather-clad, New Zealand woman. -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:11:51 -0700 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said JS PL hi everybody! in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May There is no basis for concluding that the Justice Department's business model will benefit consumers. [...] Gov. Gary Locke (D-WA) Glad to hear the Governor's rather naive opinion. Guess you don't have to know jack-shit about anti-trust to become a Governor. -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** HAHA!! The gov. is more worried about lost taxes than whether MS gets split or not. Now he's got Boeing leaving town. Wash. isn't business friendly. Too many taxes and too many rules. -- V -- From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 20:13:13 -0700 T. Max Devlin wrote: Said JS PL hi everybody! in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 11 May I think we ought to be spending our time making sure there are a lot more Bill Gateses out there, Johnson said. US Rep. Eddie Bernise Johnson (D-TX), Seattle Times, June 7 Oh, THAT'll be fun. LOL! -- T. Max Devlin *** The best way to convince another is to state your case moderately and accurately. - Benjamin Franklin *** Hahaha and who said there weren't little green men?!? -- V -- From: Bobby D. Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Linux still not ready for home use. Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:05:54 +0600 Burkhard W=F6lfel wrote: Bobby, don't forget the harms mice can do to your hand. I am a musician= , Me too, though of the most amateur sort. What do you play (instruments, = styles)? playing various instruments and quite a fast typer, I think. Mice are bad for my hands, I feel it every day i use them too much. A couple of years ago I moved my mouse over to the left, even though I'm = right handed. It first occurred to me when I noticed that centering the space= bar under my screen left the keypad extending off to the right, and forced me to re= ach even
Linux-Advocacy Digest #444
Linux-Advocacy Digest #444, Volume #34 Sat, 12 May 01 01:13:05 EDT Contents: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy (GreyCloud) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Microsoft's Activation scheme for Office 2000 (Flacco) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Tom Wilson) Re: Linux is paralyzed before it even starts (GreyCloud) Re: The Microsoft PATH. (B'ichela) Re: Windows makes good coasters (Tom Wilson) Re: Yet another IIS security bug (GreyCloud) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Tom Wilson) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Tom Wilson) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Tom Wilson) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 compatible w/MS Office 97/2000? (Matt McLeod) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Les Mikesell) Re: bank switches from using NT 4 (Les Mikesell) From: GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappy Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 21:03:41 -0700 Jan Johanson wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Jan Johanson wrote: Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... On 9 May 2001 00:54:05 -0500, Jan Johanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bob Hauck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Perhaps this is because you would open NOTEPAD and not run edit.com - DOH! Not in a telnet session I can't. WHY on earth would you penalize yourself with some crappy text based interface when a beautiful set of antialiased fonts of any size you can imagine are right there on your desktop? Maybe because I'm using the new telnet server that MS provided with their new OS. Or does it not understand window resizing either? Perhaps when you graduate from the hell that telnet is - I mean, how limiting! - into the year 2000 and beyond you'll realize how silly your hanging on to the past is. I mean, all this worship of telnet and the command line. You sound like an Amish person swearing off technology! I can't remember the last time I needed the command line or even felt the urge to time travel into days of old... Yes...telnet is so limiting that it's been the mainstay of remote usage for 20 years. Riding horses to cross the country was done for 20+ years - then along came the car. Don't see many people riding horses from NY to LA these days do you? starting to get it now? Yep! We get it... telnet in windows sux! -- V -- From: Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 04:05:15 GMT The Ghost In The Machine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... snip Oh yes, Microsoft is so innovative. What Unix, Linux, or Mac box could give us all this and crashes, too? :-) (Though I'm still trying to figure out what Splunge! means. It's buried deep in the aicxxx section of the Linux 2.2 kernel.) Splunge n: A word used in a Monty Python sketch during their 1st season. It was defined as something that may be a good thing but may very well not be a good thing, all at the same time. It was said in response to a really stupid idea presented by a film executive to one of his yes-men. Kind of a fitting name for a tricky piece of code, come to think of it. I'll have to use it sometime! g -- From: Flacco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Microsoft's Activation scheme for Office 2000 Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 04:11:07 GMT Welcome to your monopolistic software vendor future, Mr and Mrs America. I am so grateful I discovered Linux when I did. At least I have a few months' head start on the rest of the world. In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeffrey L. Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was originally notified by the MS staff that I had Office installed on 7 computers, then they changed that and stated that it was only 3. I am still disappointed that there is erroneous information attached to my name, and I do not want to fight with customers service each time I have to reinstall. I originally installed Office 2000 on my Gateway that I had for 2 years, and 6 months ago, I removed it from that computer and put it on my new machine. My new computer had a hard drive fail and Maxtor sent me a new one. Also, I upgraded the video card. My Gateway computer is also on a small 2 computer network, and it has been demoted to playing kids games for my son and additional testing purposes. It is not a computer that requires a full Office
