Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #30 Sat, 18 Nov 00 00:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: OS stability ("Les Mikesell")
wahoo! I'm running now (rich)
Re: Windows SUX ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("res07e1h")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: I have had it up to *here* with Linux ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux Sux ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The Sixth Sense (Steve Mading)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Alessandro Rubini's very interesting article on system calls... (Steve Mading)
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! ("Quantum Leaper")
From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:53:55 GMT
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8v4351$9rn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Floppy disk, email, whatever. The shortcut encodes information like
the
> > > computer name, path to the file etc.
> > >
> > > It's very handy.
> >
> > Only to someone with the same GUI that understands it.
>
> Well, duh. Links are only useful to someone with a filesystem that
> understands them.
No, they work fine in any number of cross-platform way. File
servers, ftp servers, etc. all follow symlinks.
> > Pre-existing
> > programs, and other OS's seeing the network-shared disk won't
> > understand it as they do with symlinks.
>
> I'm not quite sure what you mean by pre-existing programs not
> "understanding" it, but networked shared disks aren't meant to - it's
meant
> to be used at the shell level.
Why? At the shell level you can just select what you meant. The point
of a link is that all programs can use them.
> > > And links lock you into a certain filesystem, so ?
> >
> > No, all good filesystems support links and symlinks.
>
> And do they retain the same characteristics just copied with something
like
> "cp" from one to the other ? How about over a network ?
That depends on the option you use. Most programs don't know that
links are different than the thing they reference which is the whole
point of having them, so if you copy them you normally get a
copy of the target. However, some programs do know and can
copy and move them. Dump/restore, tar, etc. obviously have to
know, cp with the -d (don't dereference) option, rsync, and some
others.Whether they work when copied depends on the target
still being in the right place - an absolute path (starting with slash)
will work anywhere on the same machine, but on another machine
it would depend on the target being in the same place. Likewise
relative links depend on the target being in the right relative place.
> > > Shortcuts are a *User Interface* feature and a damn useful one.
> >
> > The difference is that they force you to use the particular interface
> > that supports them - in typical Microsoft style.
>
> So do .kdelnks and the like, which is what you should be comparing
shortcuts
> to.
And their usefullness is clearly as limited.
> > When symlinks
> > were added into the filesystems all existing programs automatically
> > could use their advantages.
>
> I've yet to bump into a Win32 program that couldn't make use of a
shortcut.
Yes, clearly limited.
> > All good operating systems refer to their objects through names in the
> > file system. /dev/modem and /dev/cdrom are typical generic names
> > usable by applications that generally exist in the filesystem as
symlinks
> > to the specific device you want for the applications' defaults. In
unix,
> > when you solve one problem it works the same for everything.
>
> Printers ? URLs ? Networked computers ? Shares on networked computers ?
> Being able to transport these things between machines just by emailing or
> copying to a floppy disk ? How do symlinks do these things ?
URLs are a relatively new concept that depend on programs to interpret
them, but symlinks appear to be files and devices to any program that
knows how to open a file or device (and on unix these appear the same).
Devices are always your 'own' devices - the ma
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #31Sat, 6 Jan 01 02:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Could only... (Jim Richardson)
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors (Jim Richardson)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Jim Richardson)
Re: So how do we get from here to there? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Uptimes (Jim Richardson)
Re: Uptimes (Jim Richardson)
hey everyone look! A movie about Linux! (jtnews)
Re: Red Hat dead/dying? (Shane Phelps)
Re: Why NT? ("Todd")
Re: Why NT? ("Todd")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Tom
Wilson")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Tom
Wilson")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Tom
Wilson")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 13:34:50 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 05:51:10 +,
JM, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:10:10 -0500, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>> > Preserving the right to gun ownership *IS* a policy.
>>> >
>>> > Read "The Federalist Papers", and you will understand the US Constitution,
>>> > and PRECISELY why the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is spelled out within it.
>
>>> Yet even after the mass murders carried out at schools in America,
>>> nothing still hasn't been learnt.
>
>>Actually, we learned several things:
>>
>>1. Outlawing things doesn't prevent criminal behavior.
>
>It makes it more difficult.
Exactly how difficult is it to get illicit drugs?
>
>> It is illegal for minors to carry pistols
>
>Yes, making things illegal ensures it doesn't happen.
guffaw. Since murder is illegal, are you claiming that murder doesn't happen?
>> It is illegal to have firearms on school grounds
>
>Yes, making things illegal ensures it doesn't happen.
so there are no murders...
>> It is illegal to brandish a weapon
>
>Yes, making things illegal ensures it doesn't happen.
and no rapes...
>> It is illegal to discharge a weapon with the city limits (of most cities)
>
>Yes, making things illegal ensures it doesn't happen.
and no armed robbery...
>> It is illegal to discharge a weapon with the intent to murder
>> another human being.
>
>Yes, making things illegal ensures it doesn't happen.
right, we're back to the "murder is illegal therefore it never happens."
theory.
>>All of those activities WERE ALREADY ILLEGALso, exactly *what*
>>would another law do, exactly?
>
>Stop them getting guns in the first place?
ooh! the three wishes theory again.
>>Do you think it would have prevent those with criminal intent from
>>getting weapons? If you believe that, you're insane.
>
>It would make it much more difficult.
just like how difficult it is to get drugs?
>It would also discourage people who carry guns anyway, and then end up
>shooting people, or those who carry guns just because everyone else
>does.
Except that this doesn't happen, at least in the US, maybe NZ folks are
inherently more violent than Americans, I don't know.
>>Heroin, Cocaine, Marijuana, PCP, Ecstasy, Methamphetamines, etc. are
>>already illegal in the USA...and yet, they are everywhere...in fact,
>>the price of illicit drugs IN HIGH SECURITY PRISONS is no higher
>>than out on the streets.
>
>Drugs cannot be compared to guns. Doing so is a fallacy.
Right, drugs get used up, and are brought into the country by the container
load, guns last for hundreds of years and can be brought into the country by
the container load hm, sounds like there is a *huge* diff. Of course, ammo
gets used up too, but it stores damn near indefinately and can easily be
brought in with the drugs ^h^h^h^h guns...
>> CONTRABAND LAWS DO NOT WORK.
>>At least not in the US. We have too many miles of coastline.
>
>I thought we were talking about guns, not drugs. Another SM.
Hm, I think this is either another example of the "three wishes" theory, or is
a new one, which we could call the "Ostrich theory"
>
>>As for guns...the AK-47 is designed to be manufactured by primitive
>>societies with a MUCH lower level of technology than the Average
>>American can obtain with $5000 of machine-shop equipment.
>>
>>Any policy which relies upon contraband laws is idiotic.
>>
>&
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #32 Sun, 18 Feb 01 13:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Interesting article (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Interesting article (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Someone, help me (please) (Exit: PhatLinux versus Windows 98) ("Johan De
Clerck")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Microsoft says Linux threatens innovation (Peter Hayes)
Re: The Windows guy. (Peter Hayes)
Re: My Win2k Network Nightmare!! (Peter Hayes)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux (Guy Sneyers)
Re: .NET is plain .NUTS (mlw)
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! (T. Max Devlin)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:24:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>You, too, can learn the same buzzwords as Chad. On page 18 of
>"Maximum Linux Security", I find a reference to "DAC":
>
>
> One central theme in Linux is Discretionary Access Control (DAC),
> which allows you to control the degree to which each user
> can access file and directories.
>
>
>Then the author talks about the NAC (Network access control) of Linux, of
>which there are many: hosts.deny/allow, firewalls, as talked about in
>Ch. 18 of the book.
>
>He talks about encryption, built-in logging, auditing, network monitoring,
>and instrusion detection.
>
>He sums up:
>
>
> All these mechanisms form individual components of Linux's
> complex security architecture. Taken alone, they may not
> seem extraordinary, but when used in concert, they constitute
> a comprehensive, holistic approach to network security.
>
>
>So, we see Chad's method of arguing: pull out one feature from Linux, and
>compare it to a full-blown Windows security management system, then claim
>that it lacks, and then accuse the respondent of not being well-read
>enough, or of being ignorant of the buzzwords that Chad has imbibed in
>his voracious reading of the trade journals.
>
>On the plus side, Chad's inanity does generate a fair amount of useful
>argument. Unfortunately, in face-to-face arguments, guys like Chad would
>ultimately experience a fist to the face, and he would sue the guy
>who punched him.
>
>Chris
>
>--
>You question my programming ability?!?!
>I should kill you where you stand!
>
>Anonymous Klingon Code Warrior
I find this article very entertaining. It does explain much
about Chad Myers doesn't it.
HA. I wondered and wondered where he kept comming up with the
term Holistic. He has used that word in dozens of bulletins
refering to it like a 5 year old child who's just found fathers
loaded .38!
It' is a Holistic approach don't you think!
This Holistic way of doing things!
I've seen this dozens of times!
Thank you Chris! You have earned your pay today!
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN****GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:24:46 +
In article <96ouq7$3ja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>> I'm just curious as to who is the most heavily killfiled person.
>>
>> Here's my list:
>>
>> Chad Meyers Conrad Rutherford G3 Jan Johanson
>
> Conrad Rutherford and Jan Johanson are the same person... Youre
> forgetting Aaron Kuklis.. he's so bad so that my news server even
> killfiles him.. i just see his posts if someone replys to them.
>
I was giving my kill file, not who I thought was kill filed.
Sorry for the confusion.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
--
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who is the most heavily killfiled person on cola?
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:27:50 +
In article <[EMAIL P
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #29 Sun, 24 Sep 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Does Linux have snazzy FrontPage equivalent for web page authoring and
'publishing'? ("Ingemar Lundin")
Re: How low can they go...? ("JS/PL")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: Win2K (Jacques Guy)
Re: TEST---DO NOT READ (Jacques Guy)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (STATIC66)
Re: So did they ever find out what makes windows98 freeze up all the time? (Pete
Goodwin)
From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.windows98,microsoft.public.frontpage.extensions.unix
Subject: Re: Does Linux have snazzy FrontPage equivalent for web page authoring and
'publishing'?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:17:58 GMT
hey jan...i think the man just asked for a eq to frontpagenot a linux
preach ;-)
/IL
"Jan Ruitenbeek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:qIdz5.448732$Kw2.3928865@flipper...
> Hi,
>
> Linux is an operating system in progress with many tastes. You have
Debian,
> Redhat, Suse, etc. Linux also has a wide range of windowmanagers (the
> graphical interface, better known as GUI), like GNOME, KDE, FVWM2,
> AFTERSTEP, etc. Each windowmanager has its own look and feel and its won
> programs. There's no standard as in Windows. Maybe, at this moment, there
> are no applications equal to Frontpage or Netscape Composer, but
development
> is on its way and , yes, there are programs to create webpages for the
Linux
> system.
>
> If you are already using Linux, look out for StarOffice 5.2. It's a free
> (yes I mean it !!!) office suite (compatible with MSOffice 97 and 2000)
> that allows you to create webpages with frames, java, and all the nice
> stuff you would like.
>
> Conclusion: in some aspects, Linux might not be as far developped as you
> would like, but new applications are are on their way. And now comes the
> most important thing: most Linux appliations are free!!! You have to take
a
> look for yourself if you want to go on with Windows or just abandon
Windows
> and start with Linux.
>
> Success with your choice!!!
>
>
> Dan Jacobson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 8qjlq0$fc1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sorry to be a pain, but just curious, does Linux have any FrontPage
> > equivalent for web page authoring and 'publishing'? Now right off the
> > bat, I want to delimit the conversation to the idealistic FrontPage,
where
> > no sloppy code is produced and no 'extentions' evil incompatibility
plots
> > exist--- if it actually works isn't fair game either. I hear
Nutscrape's
> > equivalent has met with user frustration. What is a GNU dude to do?
> > Would it be the same for browsers, where for the moment one must violate
> > anti-M$ morals if one wants to be not losing out to the user in the next
> > carrel. P.S. I know the anti-M$ website[s] lists equivalents for M$
> > tools.
> > --
> > www.geocities.com/jidanni E-mail: restore ".com." ¿n¤¦¥§
> > Tel:+886-4-5854780; starting in year 2001: +886-4-25854780
> > The Austin Powers of computing reading this on comp.os.linux.advocacy
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
--
From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:27:10 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> I've explained this only a half dozen times. Why don't you email it to
> all the other trolls: I only use a single computer; a laptop provided by
> my company. I don't *have* a 'home PC'. I won't dual boot, and I have
> a Linux box (an old Gateway laptop) at the office, but mostly I just use
> Sun boxes when I use Unix.
Pathetic.
Quit compl
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #28Mon, 7 Aug 00 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: COMMUNIST AGITATOR/DENIER LOREN GETS SPANKED AGAIN ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: THE BELL CURVE (ATTN: BIG DON!) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: AARON KULKIS...USENET SPAMMER, LIAR, AND THUG ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:Microsoft
Ruling Too Harsh (T. Max Devlin)
Re: From a Grove of Birch Trees It Came... (T. Max Devlin)
Re: one of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: COMMUNIST AGITATOR/DENIER LOREN GETS SPANKED AGAIN
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 18:47:56 -0400
Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>
> >> There does not have to be a single one, since if the Yugoslav
> >> pattern held in the Soviet Union, many Soviet Communists are likely to
> >> have been "Communists" just to improve their career.
> >ANSWER THE GODDAMN QUESTION you fucking apologist!
> >Tell me one person who has been able to get anywhere in Russian
> >society without selling their soul to the Communist party.
>
> As I said, I don't have to. In fact, one does have to marvel at
> how former Communists have been willing to become capitalists, even if
> crooked crony capitalists.
In other words, LOREN CAN'T PROVIDE A SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO
COUNTER MY MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE...
>
> >> Vietnam vs. Cambodia in the 1980's, for example. And although the
> >> Sino-Soviet split never led to war, it was nevertheless a split.
> >It's a charade. This was proven during the Nixon administration.
>
> >The USS Pueblo was deliberately set-up to be captured, so that
> >a doctored telex coding machine would be captured; Once the
> >ship was captured, intelligence services sent out phony traffic
> >from a similarly doctored machine so that it would be "intercepted"
> >by the Communists. ... and at the height of the "Sino-Soviet Split"
> >the Chinese fed all of the intercepted information directly on
> >to Moscow.
>
> I've never seen anything on this stunt.
Since you're consistently demonstrate that you are a naive idiot who
is utterly clueless about world events and processesit is not the
slightest bit surprising that you are equally unaware of this
bit of history as well.
The Pueblo Surrender: A Covert Action by the National Security Agency
Robert A. Liston
>
> And two hostile nations can certainly cooperate against a common enemy.
>
The "phony" information provided to the Chinese was of little
use to the Chinese, but of particular use to the Soviets, so
the test was to see if the Chinese would act as true "partners",
not merely opponents who have a common 3rd-enemy.
> >If they were truly enemies, then why hasn't China invaded
> >Russia? Their common border is in the regions of Russia which
> >is hardly inhabited, and China has 8 times the population as
> >does Russiaand, due to the one-child-per-family rule,
> >more than 20 times the number of young men who are suitable
> >for being put under arms.
>
> However, the Soviet Union had had more tanks and airplanes and
> nuclear bombs.
When you have more men under arms than your opponent as people
in the entire country, this matters very little.
>
> >> >Golitsyn specifically said in the 1970's that the first country
> >> >to be "let go" would be Germany...because that would have the
> >> >greatest psychological impact on the West.
> >> He was wrong there, because in 1989, the Communist regimes fell
> >> almost simultaneously, over the space of half a year.
> >E. Germany fell firstexactly as Golitsyn said.
>
> Demonstrably false. Poland and Hungary fell first, and then
> Czechoslovakia. Erich Honecker begged Gorbachev to help keep East Germany
> from going the way of the others, and Gorbachev refused.
NOTHING CHANGED until the Berlin Wall came down.
>
> >> >> on, they would not have been allowed to join NATO.
> >> >You know what ALL con-men have in commmon? The ability to
> >> >convince people that they are sincere, even though they are not.
> >> Look at it this way, if there were problem
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #33Mon, 2 Apr 01 16:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: FW: Ethics of Circumventing OS (GreyCloud)
Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windows "speed" (GreyCloud)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (T. Max Devlin)
Re: New virus attacks Linux and MS OS (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (GreyCloud)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Communism confession ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FW: Ethics of Circumventing OS
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:27:48 -0700
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > Karel Jansens wrote:
> > >
> > > GreyCloud wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:09:24 -0800, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Found another monkey stuck in a coconut? That glitz sure gets them
> > > > > >don't it. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but that one flew right over my head?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > When in panama the natives used to hollow out coconuts and bore holes in
> > > > the sides.
> > > > Then they's put tin-foil inside or something shiny. The coconut was
> > > > tethered.
> > > > The monkey sees the shiny foil and sticks his hand inside and grabs the
> > > > shiny foil.
> > > > He can't get his hand out because his hand is now a fist and won't pass
> > > > thru.
> > > > He's so greedy that he won't let go. The native then just has to walk
> > > > up and get the monkey... still the monkey won't let go.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Did they learn that trick from the Kalahari Bushmen?
> > >
> > > And if so - how?
> > >
> > > --
> >
> > I really don't know, but the San Blas indians seemed to know the trick.
> >
>
> It's quite interesting they both would use the same technique, even if
> they live on different sides from the Atlantic.
>
> Probably tin-foil hats-wearing survivors of Atlantis taught them,
> inbetween visits from Erich von Daeniken in his flying saucer
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==
--
V
--
From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 19:30:27 GMT
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:13:39
>"Barry Manilow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> I have a friend who likes to run a DOS app called, I think, PKUnzip.
>> He likes to spawn off multiple sessions of this DOS app, to, I
>> believe, zip and unzip archives. On NT, he can spin off no more than
>> *3* instances of this application before the app locks up and has to
>> be shut down. On OS/2, he can spin off as many as *60* different
>> instances of this app, and OS/2 handles it with aplomb.
>
>PKUnzip is an *old* utility, which is almost totally replaced by windows
>comression programs, but what the hell, let's do it, okay?
>ftp://ftp.simtel.net/pub/simtelnet/msdos/arcers/pk250dos.exe
>Remember that 221MB that I've compressed in my last post?
>Let's see what how many times I can uncompress it, okay?
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip1
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip2
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip3
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip4
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip5
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip6
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip7
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip8
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip9
>start pkunzip -e zip.zip \zip10
>
>I put those lines in a bat file, and run it, let's see what happens, okay?
>It starts compressing, I've 10 instances of it opened. How fasinating, it
>doesn't crash.
>Now I'll wait for all ten instances to finish running. And check the
>results.
>
>Here is the program's output:
>PKUNZIP (R)F
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #34Mon, 7 May 01 09:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MSspeech on
OSS/GPL ( /. hates it so it's good)) ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: the Boom, Boom department (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Linux disgusts me (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The long slow slide to Microsoft.NOT (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Peter da Silva)
Re: Cold feet or Reality Check? ("Mikkel Elmholdt")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux a Miserable Consumer OS
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 08:26:48 -0400
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Dave Martel wrote:
> >
> > On 06 May 2001 01:07:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Why not, 62 apps! :-
> >
> > Geez, no wonder MS is getting so worried. Their timing was WAY off on
> > this one. It's far, far too late to stop the open-source movement.
> >
> > I've got this mental image of BG tied across the tracks desperately
> > reciting his anti-linux mantra while a trainload of penguins bears
> > down on him. Heh heh!
>
> I was hoping someday that the official linux mascot would be the
> Seagull.
> Visualize this: BG running hard for cover as a flock of Seagulls go on
> a straffing run!
Gould already did that with a flying dinosaur with IBM and DEC sales droids
running for cover.
>
> --
> V
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just how commercially viable is OSS?... (Was Re: Interesting MSspeech
on OSS/GPL ( /. hates it so it's good))
Date: 7 May 2001 07:27:09 -0500
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9d10qa$g7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > However, I agree on one
> > point, the Linux commercial distributors are struggling to make profits.
>
>
> IBM might become a large Linux distributer. The distribution may not make
> a profit, but if the popularity of Linux increases, IBM benefit since
> their hardware runs Linux
Then again, th
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #27 Fri, 23 Jun 00 18:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr.")
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451719 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Software
Re: Thorne digest, volume 2451719 (EdWIN)
Re: Can Linux do this? KIOSKS - Lite Linux desktop? Lock-down configs? ("ckeough")
Re: Processing data is bad! ("A V Flinsch")
Re: Linux, easy to use? (David Steinberg)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451719 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451719 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Tinman digest, volume 2451719 (tinman)
Re: Do you people really think that GNU/Linux is a great OS? (Sam E. Trenholme)
Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was: Microsoft Ruling
Too Harsh (Donovan Rebbechi)
From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2000 16:16:31 -0500
Henry Blaskowski wrote:
>
> In talk.politics.libertarian Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Again, even if we choose to purchase a PC with something other than MS,
> > we still have to pay for the MS product. How is this "right"? Why does
> > MS have the right to charge me for something I don't want to use?
>
> It's not "right", it's false. I have a friend who bought a Mac,
> and he didn't have to pay for Windows. When I bought my PC, I
> didn't pay for any MS products, and it is even easier today to
> do the same.
>
> I suspect what you want is the right to buy a mass-market machine
> that is cheap because of the economies of scale that MS helped
> bring to the market, and all the associated benefits of those
> mass-market machines, without having to use the system that made
> it so cheap. Well, guess what. Life is full of choices. If
> someone creates a distribution channel that makes something
> cheap and easily available, and you use that channel to get
> something cheap and easily available, you don't get to complain
> about it. Because you still have the same choices you did as
> if MS didn't exist: you can buy a Mac, you can search out a
> dealer that will sell you a machine with an unformatted drive,
> you can buy a Sun workstation, or you can go without a computer.
> But you don't get to complain about the people who brought it
> to you fast, cheap, and easy if that's what you choose.
Since I don't have time to point out every detail of how stupid that
argument sounds let me just say this:
If I want to buy a GM car with goodyear tires, I do not have to pay
Firestone for the tires they didn't provide. If I want to buy a
computer from Gateway/Dell/Micron/etc up until this past year I would
have had to pay Microsoft wether I used that system or not. The fact
that I could buy a Mac is irrelevant if what I wanted was a Dell. That
is my argument. If you go out of your way to change the circumstances I
am talking about, you are arguing around the problem, and not facing the
real situation I am trying to show you. Even if I purchased a machine a
year or more ago with a formatted/unformatted/non-loaded drive I would
have had to pay MS for the priveledge of buying a computer. This to me
is not right. If you think MS has the right to make me pay for
something I am not using say so, otherwise bow out. Don't try to tell
me that my argument isn't the only solution. It was the only solution a
year or more ago if I wanted an X86 machine from one of the aforemention
system vendors.
Nathaniel Jay Lee
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: 23 Jun 2000 16:15:56 -0500
In article <8j0gon$1coo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Henry Blaskowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In talk.politics.libertarian Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Again, even if we choose to purchase a PC with something other than MS,
>> we still have to pay for the MS product. How is this "right"? Why does
>> MS have the right to charge me for something I don't want to use?
>
>It's not "right", it's false. I have a friend who bought a Mac,
>and he didn't have to pay for Windows. When I bought my PC, I
>didn't pay for any MS pro
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289
Linux-Advocacy Digest #289, Volume #26 Thu, 27 Apr 00 22:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Marty)
What of OS - Advocacy? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? (Gregory L. Hansen)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (Mike Marion)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (Mike Marion)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
(Christopher Browne)
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What else is hidden in MS code??? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: X Windows must DIE!!! (Christopher Browne)
Re: Disabled lady needs Linux Corel (Christopher Browne)
Re: Unix is dead? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Backdoors in Windows 2000? ("Drestin Black")
Re: MS caught breaking web sites ("Drestin Black")
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:20:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In <8e7m4j$n6v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
> |In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |
> |
> |: "David D. Huff Jr." wrote:
> |:|
> |:| There should be parties in the streets! BillG should also be tried for
> |:| crimes against humanity. Because of his blind ideology to put every one out
> |:| of business with HIS vision of the future. Thank God, that this type of
> |:| global tyranny was stopped!
> |
> |: Absolutely.
> |
> |: The nerd is a megalomaniac.
> |
> |True nerddom requires technical saavy.
> |Linus and Alan can be nerds if they so desire.
> |But Bill Gates? He's just a magalomaniac that *looks* like a nerd.
> |
> |Calling BillG a nerd is an insult to nerds everywhere...
>
> Absolutely true; except, Gates doesn't look like a nerd, he looks
> like some unwashed street people in an expensive suit.
Nah, ever since he bought a wife, he's been a lot more well kempt.
--
From: Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What of OS - Advocacy?
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:23:09 GMT
What will become when Microsoft dies?
Will we still have OS - Advocacy newsgroups?
If so, what would they be like.
Would it be RedHat users against Suse users?
Debian users against FreeBSD users?
There will be no Microsoft soon! I can hear the aweful wind
comming from the WINTROLL'S as the pass their wisdom!
Take note of their rantings my brothers! You are watching history in
the making here! No special graphics or computer simulations such as
we see on the Discovery Channel with all those Dinosaurs!
We are witnessing the death of an operating system and the death of
a company!
I suppose that there will be no more advocacy newsgroups then.
After all, the Linux community rarely fights amongst itself or with
the BSD community. What do they have to fight for anyway!
Their OS's will never die and they don't have thousands of dollars tied
up in highly proprietary Microsoft Applications either!
So there's no reason for them to fight! You hardly every see them fight
at all.
So the death of Microsoft will actually mean peaceful co-existance for
all computer
users across the planet! What a wonderful idea.
And let us all go to the Museum to see the Microsoft wonders of
yester-year!
The golden age where people actually bought their OS's from stores!
BTW - I'm converting two more Windows 98 users to Linux!
I enjoy saving souls.
Love, Peace and mutual-multiprocessing-cluster-power to the people!
Charlie
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:28:03 GMT
On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:48:40 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Mike Marion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Otto wrote:
>>
>> > For most people the Windows is a better desktop OS.
>>
>> Ok, that statement I can accept a little more. It was the blanket
>"windows is
>> better" that was getting to me.
>
>Sorry... :)
>
>>
>> Even this isn't necessarily true either. It's hard to say that it's
>> definitively better when probably 99% of those 90% have never even touched
>a
>> different OS.
>
>Arguably, but you have a point. The question is why they didn't touch a
>different OS? Is it because they were deprived of others, or they are just
>not interested? The answer depends on whom you li
