Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #34 Sat, 12 May 01 23:13:02 EDT Contents: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) (Fulcanelli) Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Jeffrey Siegal) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Tom Wilson) Re: MS should sue the pants off linux-mandrake (was: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!) (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Tom Wilson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Ayende Rahien) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Tom Wilson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Tom Wilson) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (Chris Ahlstrom) Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Clark Safford) Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (pookoopookoo) Re: Microsoft standards... (was Re: Windows 2000 - It is a crappyproduct) (The Ghost In The Machine) From: Fulcanelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns Subject: Re: Who votes for Sliverdick to be executed: AYEs:3 NAYS:0 (1 ABSTAIN) Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 20:06:43 -0600 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaron R. Kulkis wrote: snip Re: Let's take a nice, Glen Sliverdick Yeadon style pure-democratic vote: All for putting Glen Sliverdick Yeadon up against the wall, and filling him full of lead, say AYE! All opposed, say NAY Let's see how much Sliverdick likes democracy now. AYES:3 NAYS:0 Like anyone on the left would waste their time on a vote for such a tyrannical measure unless they absolutely had to. The Left is capable of seperating the wheat from the chaff whereas the Right ever gets them confused. ABSTAIN:1 An example of the dangers of pure democracy is all well and good, but I reject pure democracy even if Glen advocates it and wouldn't vote either way on the matter; there is no moral justification for the action or the mass decision behind it. _ Rob Robertson -- From: Jeffrey Siegal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 19:12:29 -0700 Lee Hollaar wrote: What provision of the current Copyright Act do you feel is unconstitutional, or otherwise preempted by the Constitution? And why do you feel that it is? I would say that the retroactive term extensions (and possibly, though not necessarily, prospective term extensions if they differ significantly in character from that envisioned by the Framers) violate the limited term language of the Constitution. I would say that the restriction on the distribution of anticircumvention technology (not really part of what is traditionally known as copyright, but part of the Copyright Act) violates the First Amendment, if that restriction is applied to source code and certainly if it applies to academic papers. I have no idea if this is what Max was talking about, since I don't read his posts. -- From: Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 02:16:13 GMT Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9dkptl$n6m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:VNlL6.58$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Ayende Rahien Don'[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:9dkoad$kk8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Tom Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:ZPkL6.40$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Erik Funkenbusch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:Z1iL6.651$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... snip GCC is perfectly free for Windows, just as it is for Linux. In fact, there are dozens of free compilers for Windows. While I haven't looked at any of them for several years and my opinions therefore are dated, most I saw weren't worth the trouble to implement. You were better off just shelling out for a Borland compiler (For 3.11) or Visual Studion (9x/NT). One of these days I may try GCC for grins and giggles but am afraid to find out that it works better than VC6. Nothing worse than shelling out the dough for Visual Studio 6 Enterprise to find that a free product is better.g I truly don't want to find this out... I wouldn't be very surpirsed to find out that GCC is better than VC6, VC6' compiler is, after all, over 4 years old. However, I would use VC just for the IDE. I wonder if you can hock GCC to VC, the way Intel Compiler does. The senior guy at our hack shop was wondering the same thing and we may try
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #33Mon, 9 Apr 01 15:13:08 EDT Contents: Re: t. max devlin: kook (Anonymous) Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? (Rich Teer) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chad Everett) Re: lack of linux billionaires explained in one easy message (Anonymous) Re: Communism confession Re: t. max devlin: kook (Chad Everett) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chris Street) Re: What is 99 percent of copyright law? was Re: Richard Stallman (Pat McCann) Re: Something like Install Shield for Linux? (Chronos Tachyon) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chad Everett) Re: NT is stagnant while Linux explodes (Giuliano Colla) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (chrisv) Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a (Chris Street) Re: Q:Windows NT scripting? (Craig Kelley) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:23:24 -0600 From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote: On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:24:32 -0700, GreyCloud [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're correct! I've watched new secretaries trying to learn point and click for the first time. Hand-eye-coordination training is needed. All newbies to windows have trouble in the beginning. And then real troubles later on when the crapware starts giving them fits. My good ol' Mom bought a Windows machine three years ago. She is the newbie of all newbies. All Windows users end of being command line users cause eventually they'll experience a crash or lockup that requires an "untidy" Windows shutdown (unplug the machine cause not even the "smart" power switch will work). Then, when the machine is rebooting they get the commandline prompt telling them about how Windows was shutdown is a "untidy" manner and you have to tell it something about what you want the system to do with these dangling file thing-a-ma-jigs it has found. This is the point where I get the call cause my good ol' Mom has no idea whatsoever about what she's being told and asked to make a decision about. The inevitable question is: "Son, why did the computer do this?" and the inevitable answer: Mom, it just Windows" and I get this call EVERY time this happens. thank you for proving my point Real user-friendly GUI scenario for a newbie, eh? and that makes the case for linux... how exactly? jackie 'anakin' tokeman men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin, more even than death - bertrand russell -- Crossposted-To: comp.unix.advocacy,alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris From: Rich Teer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Is StarOffice 5.2 "compatible" w/MS Office 97/2000? Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 18:31:31 GMT On 9 Apr 2001, Logan Shaw wrote: One reason why people don't read e-mail formatted in some Windows-only format is that this is a bad sign, especially if you are a Unix administrator. If management is sending you MS Word documents without asking first whether you can read them, it indicates they probably have a Microsoft-centric mindset, which is sure to cause you nothing but problems as a system administrator. So, if you're in the process of interviewing for a job and you get sent something in MS Word format, it might be best to delete it anyway. If it causes you to not get the job, that might be best for your sanity anyway. Agreed; I'm amazed at the number of UNIX vacancies (usually advertised by agencies, I admit) that ask for resumes in M$ Word format. Duh, don't those idiots get it?! I usually just fax 'em a copy of the printed version which I compose in vi/groff, and output in PostScript. -- Rich Teer President, Rite Online Inc. Voice: +1 (250) 979-1638 URL: http://www.rite-online.net -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy Subject: Re: Undeniable proof that Aaron R. Kulkis is a hypocrite, and a Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9 Apr 2001 13:22:27 -0500 On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:17:29 GMT, Chris Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 Apr 2001 09:08:26 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote: On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:55:52 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Street wrote: Grep is your friend. Twenty minutes with it will not reveal what you need though That's for sure. I found the reference to "X-Mailer" in a #define, but it wasn't used anyway else in the code! I found where a UNAME macro is used, and a few other clues, but still haven't found where the posting ho
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #31 Sun, 14 Jan 01 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: More Linux woes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: One case where Linux has the edge (J Sloan)
Re: The Server Saga (J Sloan)
Re: A salutary lesson about open source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel (J Sloan)
Re: Windows 2000 (Matthias Warkus)
Re: OS-X GUI on Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windows 2000 (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windows 2000 (Gary Hallock)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant ("Interconnect")
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux Mandrake 7.2 and the banana peel (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Two Thumbs up for the AntiTrust Movie and Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows ("Stuart R. Fuller")
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: More Linux woes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:14:04 GMT
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:08:29 -0500, mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is also the default setting for the latest Windows Media player, so
what?
What are you talking about?
That's what I am running, in default mode, and I can assure you that
if I disconnect the digital audio cable from the CD the audio stops.
You are confusing digital audio, with digital audio EXTRACTION over
the IDE bus.
Different animal altogether.
One can do this under Linux as well.
Ok Einstein, How?
It has nothing to do with Linux, it has everything to do with the CD
players and looking "cool."
No it doesn't. It has nothing to do with anything looking cool.
Are you that ignorant?
I used to think you sort of knew what you were talking about, but now
I have to wonder?
These are application settings, this has nothing to do with Linux as an
OS.
Wrong, even for Win2k.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the to reply.
--
From: J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: One case where Linux has the edge
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:22:03 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
I used linuxconf to activate nfs.
hmm, I haven't used linuxconf that much - doesn't really
click with me. I like the redhat control panel, or webmin
better. Personally, I just edit the files by hand, it's quicker
that way.
I check whether nfs is a scheduled service by typing
chkconfig --list nfs
If not, I make it official by typing
chkconfig --level 345 nfs on
I activate nfs immediately by typing
/etc/rc.d/init.d/nfs start
and verify that it's running by typing
rpcinfo -p
If it doesn't seem to start, it's probably exiting immediately
because there are no exports defined and it has no reason
to be running.
Make sure you have defined some exported filesystems
before starting nfs
It still resulted in "permission denied".
What said "permission denied", and at what point?
starting the service?
attempting to mount the filesystems from a remote host?
attempting to write to the filesystems from a remote host?
As for telnet, it appeared not to be installed (despite my selecting it).
If you think you did select it, run a quick sanity check
and make sure the telnet package is installed -
For instance -
# rpm -qa | grep telnet
telnet-server-0.17-7
telnet-0.17-7
If not, it should be a 3 minute drill to get the package
either from your cdrom or an ftp site and say something like
# rpm -Uvvh telnet-server.rpm
or whatever package telnetd comes in with mandrake.
Be advised that telnet is deprecated for security reasons.
Better to use ssh.
jjs
--
From: J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Server Saga
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:22:58 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
On the server machine, telnetting to it resulted in "Permission denied".
Now, this used to work before the new big drive, and I don't remember
editing that many files apart from using linuxconf to fire up telnet daemon.
Say, are you trying to telnet in as root?
That would be denied of course, unless you change the defaults.
jjs
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A salutary lesson about open source
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 19:27:03 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
"pip" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Jan Johanson wrote:
The fact is, it was spued into the public and only now are there script
kiddies pounding away at the databases...
Yes and I for one you prefer to have an undiscovered back door in my
companies
publicly accessible database rather than this scary opensource stuff.
Then only the author could break
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #30 Mon, 27 Nov 00 09:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Things I have noticed ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Things I have noticed (mlw)
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
humor ("Patrick McAllister")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Andres Soolo)
Re: Things I have noticed (Jacques Guy)
Re: Things I have noticed (Jacques Guy)
Re: Things I have noticed (Andres Soolo)
Re: Software Engineering (was: Re: C++ is very alive!) (mlw)
Re: C++ is very alive! (mlw)
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (Marc Richter)
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Whistler review. (kiwiunixman)
Off Topic: Funny Light Bulb Joke: ("kiwiunixman")
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Things I have noticed
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 07:11:11 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
Things I have noticed from my own experience and from reply's to this news
group:
1. When wintel users argue a topic and they find that they getting beaten,
they bring out the old GUI argument, the perfect example of this is in the
whistler post, to sum it up, "Fuck the quality, what about the pretty
colours", the amount of time Microsoft spends on the GUI, Bill Gates might
as well be a fashion designer, "Bill Gates Summer Fashion Collection", could
you imagine an interview with Bill Gates (fashion designer), "this new
summer collection is a combination of colour and patterns to compliment the
summer atmosphere, and as normal, we have stuck to the main selling
principle, "More colour, less quality" ".
This conclusion made from the "whistler" post by Ayende Rahien.
2. From who I know in the Wintel world, Wintel users tend to have the worst
taste in fashion and music. Two of them could not co-ordinate colours and
patterns if their life depended on it :) God, music, listening to rubbish
such as Five, Backstreet Boys, S-Club and Boy Zone. You are probably
saying, "What has fashion and music un-cordination have to do with OS's",
everything! This argument is no better than the GUI argument that gets used
by wintel users.
This conclusion made from analysing Wintel user responses and people at
university.
3. So-called ex-linux users using the excuse, "it is too hard" as an excuse
for not continuing to use Linux. Down the road at my local book store there
were hundreds of books, from linux for beginners up to programming linux on
servers, so for around $NZ99.95 (incl. GST) a user can get a book and a
CD-ROM giving a complete guide on how to use Linux . Why should they read a
book? well, isn't reading a book better than looking at the idiot box
(television) at night.
This conclusion reached from all the posts from Claire Lynn (now known as
Sir)
4. The so-called UNIX crushing NT4 never achieved what it set out to do, it
fact, it re-enforced the need to stick with UNIX, so in some respects, NT4
was a god send for companys such as Sun Microsystems and SGI (Server
Division) which gave them something to mock and use as a benchmark to prove
their system reliability.
This conclusion reached from market information and Chad's conviction that
NT4 is better than UNIX.
5. Wintel users who post here tend to have 6 months experience and can click
on the start button, hence, by Microsoft definition, they are an expert
computer user. I, however started off using an Amiga 500, whilst at the same
time I also taught my self how to program on a BBC-Micro with 32K mem, then
I gradually moved on to a Pentium 75 with 8MB Ram (later upgraded to 40MB),
used Windows 95a for around 1 year, got pissed off and moved onto Redhat
Linux 5.2, then upgraded my machine to a Pentium 200MMX with 64MB Ram,
installed SuSE Linux 6.0. About a year ago I upgraded to a Pentium 550e and
SuSE Linux 7.0 Professional, and here I am, next year I plan to either
upgrade to a SGI O2 workstation or SUN Ultra Sparc Workstation. Compare that
time line to the typical wintel poster here with the typical story of, "I
bought a computer, I must be a computer expert" mentality.
This conclusion reached by analysising alf-assed efforts to rebuke the
superior technology behind Linux.
6. When a wintel user get defeated by carefully phrased responses, they
change their names, aka Claire Lynn/Chad/ and any other names you care to
add.
This conclusion reached by analysing alf-assed efforts to rebuke the
superior technology behind Linux/UNIX.
kiwiunixman
Very good.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not on
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #29Thu, 5 Oct 00 10:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-) ("Chad Myers")
Re: 2.4! (Jesper Krogh)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: programming languages and design (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Linux and Free Internet? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Double standard? (John Sanders)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
From: "Chad Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration -- NT costing please :-)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 13:02:40 GMT
"Gardiner Family" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Chad, not be rude, have you ever used UNIX in your life? I consider, in my
humble
opinion, 30 years of development to be a great legacy to builder apon.
Yes, I've used it. And I agree... it's legacy.
For example, look at the development process of Windows Datacentre. A
complete
re-write for each version.
You mean each version of Win2K was a complete rewrite? As in Win2K Server is a
complete rewrite from Win2K Advanced Server is a rewrite from Win2K Datacenter?
You are completely mistaken. Not to be rude, but have you ever used Windows 2000
in your life?
UNIX can scale from a Workstation (such as an SGI or
Sun Ultra Sparc 5) up to a mainframe class system.
So can Windows. Note the the TPC-C results.
The fact that Windows NT has gained it popularity is not because of technical
superiority but because any old twit who can use a mouse can setup a Windows
NT server.
No, it really is because of it's technical superiority. It has almost all
the benefits of Unix, plus it has applications. NT wasn't too great in the
largest of enterprises which is where it couldn't compete with Unix.
Windows 2000, however, can and does, and kicks the pants off of big iron
Unix boxes. Cite: TPC-C
I currently have SuSE Linux installed on my machine with ReiserFS
and I experience no problems, completely stable, fast, when I kill a process,
it actually dies, does hang around like in Windows,
See, this is what I'm talking about. You've obviously never used Windows NT
or 2000 because you would know that it is rock-solid stable as well, and you can
KILL a process and it goes away immediately, just as in Unix. You're confusing
Windows 9x (crap) with Windows NT/2000 (Good(tm)) which means you really don't
know what you're talking about.
This is what frustrates me so much. Many people, such as your self are
old-school
Unix developers or sysadmins. They used Windows 3.1x and realized what a pile
of dung it was and labelled Microsoft forever. They've never used another copy
of Windows except for, perhaps Win95. They assume WinNT and 2K are along the
same lineage and therefore suffer all the same ailments of Win9x and forever
label those products as well, which simply isn't the case.
rip out a PCI card whilst computer is running, Linux doesn't give a toss,
Windows 2000
crashes to a black screen of death.
Um... ripping out a PCI card whilst the computer is running will halt or damage
the
motherboard in most cases (unless you're on a server with hot-swap PCI). This is
a complete lie. Any OS would die because the whole computer would freeze or
choke.
Perhaps you mean PCMCIA? Windows 2000 allows for swapping PCMCIA cards all day
long.
In either case, you have no idea what you're talking about. Please refrain from
insulting Windows until you have even the first clue about what you're talking
about.
And... to futher back up this claim, it's a "blue" screen of death, not black.
*PLONK*
Before you post, run a server with UNIX on it.
I have. Appearently you've never run Windows, or even a PC because you don't
even know what PCI is.
Then after several years experience then comeback and stand on your soap box.
I'm here!
Chad Myers wrote:
"Adam Warner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8rgkl7$d9d$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Hi Chad,
Howdy from Texas!
snip
Please keep your ignorant slants to yourself.
Gee, amazing how you can be so nice and so condescending all in the same
post.
Same with you. Your post started out friendly and objective, but as it
progressed, it became apparent that you weren't interested in learning
anything, merely bashing Microsoft with misinformation.
I expressed myself wrongly when I posted "And won't be told to buy the
next version to get bug fixes."
I meant to say that I won't be told to buy the next version to get fixes
to functionality errors that are Microsoft's own fault, but could properly
be called bugs.
Examples? You're still talking out of your ass. Both statements are crap.
I hear the s
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #28 Fri, 18 Aug 00 00:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right! (Tim Hanson)
Re: Info needed (Tim Hanson)
Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE (David M. Cook)
Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux (Jeff Szarka)
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Tim Hanson)
Re: Steve/Mike's 37th Fake Name (was: So ya' wanna' run Linux?...I have a bridge for
sale in Bklyn. (David M. Cook)
Re: It's official, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Microsoft=AE?= porting applications to (Tim
Hanson)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Craig Kelley)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) (Craig Kelley)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Joseph)
Re: Notebook/Windows rebate? ("B. Joshua Rosen")
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Fragmentation of Linux Community? Yeah, right!
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:12:56 GMT
Truckasaurus wrote:
So, to all you Windows advocates, who have claimed that the Linux/Open
Source communities will fragment and drown in quarrelling:
http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO48629,00.html:
"Unix vendors adopt Gnome desktop
By DOMINIQUE DECKMYN
(August 16, 2000) Desktop Linux gained momentum on the first day of
LinuxWorld in San Jose, as vendors including Red Hat Inc., Hewlett-
Packard Co., IBM, Compaq Computer Corp., Sun Microsystems Inc. and VA
Linux Systems Inc. joined to form the Gnome Foundation."
Not only is Gnome manifesting itself as a popular Desktop environment
in Linux - Gnome seems to bind different UNIX vendors together, where
we all know that the (commercial) UNIX commuity is traditionally a
fragmented one.
In your face, Windows advocates! Linux fragmentation my butt!
I think its healthy, regardless of all the doom mongers' whining. I'm
no KDE fan myself, but I know a lot of Windows users who may not have
switched had it not been for it. Maybe the extra pressure from this
push toward GNOME will prod KDE into dumping that ridiculous licensing /
kickback scheme.
--
If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
-- Paul Beatty
--
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Info needed
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:13:33 GMT
Hector Vega wrote:
Hi, for an investigation, I would like to have the addresses of web
pages with information regarding the use of Linux by Government
agencies, or Laws prohibiting the use of non Open Source Software by
Government.
Thanks in advance.
Second that.
--
If all the world's a stage, I want to operate the trap door.
-- Paul Beatty
--
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Subject: Re: MCSE != Engineer (Was: Microsoft MCSE
Date: 18 Aug 2000 03:19:57 GMT
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:44:32 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's sad. I think you would find Engineering school very rewarding.
I have a B.S. in Physics, and I'm Physics grad school drop out (UT@Austin).
It was the Linux hobby that got me my last 2 jobs, though.
Dave Cook
--
From: Jeff Szarka [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: It's official, Microsoft porting applications to Linux
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 23:23:35 -0400
On 18 Aug 2000 00:49:54 GMT, "Joseph T. Adams" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You'll never get at the .MDB file from outside Access except via ODBC,
but, fortunately, you can write VBA code inside Access to export your
database - including its structure, queries, etc. - into XML, SQL DDL
statements, or any other format that might be useful for
reconstructing the database in an SQL environment (in Linux or
anyplace else).
Access should output to CSV or TSV.
--
From: Tim Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Open source: an idea whose time has come
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 03:23:49 GMT
Steve Mentzer wrote:
Let's take these events one by one:
Ok...
(1) Open-Sourcing StarOffice
StarOffice was previously available on a "free beer" licence. Now it is
being open sourced. This will make it future-proof: the software will
never go away, and will always get upgraded to work with new
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #27Wed, 5 Jul 00 00:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform ("Shock Boy")
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do not resond
(was Re: Linux is junk)) (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Microsoft .Net (Aravind Sadagopan)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (Perry Pip)
Re: Linux code going down hill (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: I hope you trolls are happy...
Re: Linsux as a desktop platform (Roger)
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Where did all my windows go? (David Steinberg)
Re: LIE-nux is SUPPOST to destroy data (was: Re: This is a Troll, do (Charlie
Ebert)
Re: Where did all my windows go?
Re: Where did all my windows go?
Re: Uptime 6 months and counting. ("Rich C")
From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:43 GMT
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Marion
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Full Name wrote:
We recently had a Mandrake box rendered unusable when the machine that
was used as a backup failed to answer the mount request.
Why don't you configure it properly...
Ah... the usual UNIXhead answer whenever someone complains about falling
into yet another UNIX misconfiguration trap: "It's not the fault of
UNIX, it's the fault of the user for not configuring UNIX properly."
And they wonder why the Linux companies have fallen on hard times...
Just exactly what hard times would those be? Linux continues to increase
marketshare, mostly with servers, but also some desktops.
as for configuration...you should see the nightmares that arise when
Windoze isnt correctly configured.
Every linux install I have withnessed had the difficulty in configuration..
but i've yet to see
any nightmares over windows.
Insert CD, click install.. sip some coffee.. then install one's applications.
Cant use this, IRQ conflict, cant use that, IRQ conflict. Its a
nightmare.
Would you please define what an IRQ conflict is? I've never experienced one, on
the Mac or PC side of life..
How the hell should I know what it is... all Iknow is everytime I put a
card inthe Widoze machine at work there were all sorts of conflicts.
Hmm.. I've put in alot of cards.. including one external chassis with bettween 7 and
10 ( it varies as I add and remove cards )
wihtout
ever encountering them.. perhaps you need to RTFM?
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From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:46 GMT
"Leslie Mikesell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:8jretv$ad7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
In article LX885.385$[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Shock Boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No, because hardware support is inferior in linux.
Strange. My SCSI discs work FAR more efficiently on Linux.
We're talking about more than one simple part..
Sure, Sparc's, Alpha's, IBM 390's, and many more work
great under Linux.
We were discussing the installation on a PC where the hardware selection is far
greater...
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From: "Shock Boy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linsux as a desktop platform
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 02:53:46 GMT
"Peter Ammon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Shock Boy wrote:
"Rick" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Cant use this, IRQ conflict, cant use that, IRQ conflict. Its a
nightmare.
Would you please define what an IRQ conflict is? I've never experienced one, on
the Mac or PC side of life..
An IRQ conflict occurs when the Windows demon-gods arbitrarily decide to
prevent your various pieces of hardware from working together until you
prove your devotion. You can prove t
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466
Linux-Advocacy Digest #466, Volume #25Thu, 2 Mar 00 02:13:08 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales (Craig Kelley)
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Craig Kelley)
www: nodevice.com (Janet Rokosz)
Re: My Windows 2000 experience ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux Gets Worldwide Recognition (Damien)
Re: Binary compatibility: what kind of crack are they smoking? (Mario Klebsch)
Re: Linux Gets Worldwide Recognition (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Dell picks Linux over Windows 2000 for dellhost.com ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Peter Seebach)
Re: My Windows 2000 experience ("Drestin Black")
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales ("Drestin Black")
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Windows 2000: flat sales ("Drestin Black")
Re: How does the free-OS business model work? (Peter Seebach)
Re: Why waste time on Linux? (nldgr)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000: flat sales
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 01 Mar 2000 21:28:30 -0700
"John Hill" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Drestin Black wrote in message ...
Personally, and not being sarcastic, if I could find one reason to
run Linux I would run it again - but I sat down one day and tried
to find one single thing I needed linux for. One thing that linux
did that W2K could not... When that failed I started to think of
anything that linux did easier? (that took less time) Finally I
deleted the partion, expanded my W2K into it and kept going
(without rebooting of course)
Do you expect anybody to beleive this crap ?
Why not?
Linux isn't for everybody -- espcially Drestin.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Subject: Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead?
From: Craig Kelley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 01 Mar 2000 21:33:00 -0700
Ron House [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If Linux has an Achilles heel, it has now becomne clear what it is:
binary incompatibilities.
Can anyone explain what was so very important about glibc that
required incompatibility with the previous calling convention? Or
why, just a few months later, another incompatible change was made?
Perhaps there is a very good reason, or perhaps it is a misguided
quest for efficiency, but either way there are thousands of Linux
systems out there failing to run Linux programs. Add to that the
efforts of RedHat, who bung the latest stuff in their distributions
before it has been tested adequately, and we have a recipe for
snatching failure from the jaws of victory.
Read up on dependency checking in your favorite package manager.
Some "Achilles heel"...
Work, serious work, is needed on overcoming the problems caused by
these sorts of changes, or the potential user base will go
elsewhere.
Who cares?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Janet Rokosz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: www: nodevice.com
Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 04:37:43 GMT
http://nodevice.com - Linux website for programmers.
Tutorials, documentation, access to the newsgroups, howtos,
faqs and similiar crap :)
Covers C/C++, Perl, Linux, shells, databases.
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From: "Christopher Smith" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: My Windows 2000 experience
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:47:14 +1000
"JEDIDIAH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:18:42 +1000, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
"JEDIDIAH" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2000 04:10:11 +1000, Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
See, everyone keeps saying this and I actually have never once
seen this happen.
Fire up X with a reasonably complex WM and some svgalib program like
squake.
Flick between the X and squake VTs until the machine locks.
This is a contrived example that merely demonstrates that
trying to bit bang the same hardware with two root mode
apps concurrently is a stupid idea.
The issue being whether or not X could crash the system IIRC. It can.
Except it's not X that is crashing the system.
What's crashing the system is 'two X's' trying to bit bang the
same hardware at once. That's
