Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
Recently I noticed that (thanks to Lior Kaplan, it seems) it is now trivial to get Hebrew spellchecking (based on Hspell 1.1) in OpenOffice. The Hebrew localized version (now available on the official OpenOffice site!) comes with Hebrew spell-checking pre-bundled, and there's an extension [1] for those who use the English version of open-office. However, when I actually used this spell checker, and observed my wife using it, I noticed two annoying problems in the way it works. I'm not sure if these are OpenOffice problems per se, or perhaps problems that should be solved in the context of hunspell, OpenOffice's spell-checking library. It is possible that changes to the dictionary file is all that is needed to solve these problems, but it is also possible that OpenOffice code needs to be changed. I simply don't know I was hoping that someone here could help me figure this out, or at least point me to the right place to report these problems. The first issue is acronyms (rashei tevot) and abbreviations. In Hebrew, these use the geresh and gershaim (or single or double quotes), which is part of the word. OpenOffice does not understand that these quotes are part of the Hebrew word, and splits the word on them. As a result all acronyms are marked as spelling mistakes. This is really annoying, especially for certain types of documents where acronyms are common. The second issue is the correction suggestions for spelling errors. All the suggestions indeed appear to be valid words, but their order is terrible - it appears little or no attention was paid to trying to provide the most likely suggestions first. The screenshot on the extension page [1] provides an excellent example: When given the mis-spelling עיברי, rather than provide the most likely suggestion first - עברי, it is given as the 8th suggestion, and the first suggestions are highly unlikely. The sixth suggestion is especially unlikely (requiring one accidental transpose and one movement): ערביי. I'd like OpenOffice to use common-sense edit-distance based heuristics to decide which suggestion to give first (i.e., one typing mistake is more likely than two), but also Hebrew-specific rules regarding the cost of these edits, e.g., that in Hebrew omitting or adding a vowel (em kri'a) is more likely than omitting or adding just any random letter. Hebrew also has letters that sound the same (e.g., tav and tet) or close, and a bunch of other rules I'd like to see. I believe that hunspell's dictionary in fact has a way to give such correction rules, but I don't know how to correctly write them, or how to make OpenOffice use them. I (and thousands of other OpenOffice users in Israel) would be grateful if someone could look into these issues. Nadav. [1] http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/dict-he -- Nadav Har'El|Tuesday, Nov 2 2010, 25 Heshvan 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |The person who knows how to laugh at http://nadav.harel.org.il |himself will never cease to be amused. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
2010/11/2 Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.il Recently I noticed that (thanks to Lior Kaplan, it seems) it is now trivial to get Hebrew spellchecking (based on Hspell 1.1) in OpenOffice. The Hebrew localized version (now available on the official OpenOffice site!) comes with Hebrew spell-checking pre-bundled, and there's an extension [1] for those who use the English version of open-office. My pleasure (: It's available only as the 3.3 RC releases, and will be available on the final release. http://download.openoffice.org/all_rc.html The first issue is acronyms (rashei tevot) and abbreviations. In Hebrew, these use the geresh and gershaim (or single or double quotes), which is part of the word. OpenOffice does not understand that these quotes are part of the Hebrew word, and splits the word on them. As a result all acronyms are marked as spelling mistakes. This is really annoying, especially for certain types of documents where acronyms are common. Known issue, and reported at http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=99796 It is marked for work during the 3.4 release. The second issue is the correction suggestions for spelling errors. All the suggestions indeed appear to be valid words, but their order is terrible - it appears little or no attention was paid to trying to provide the most likely suggestions first. The screenshot on the extension page [1] provides an excellent example: When given the mis-spelling עיברי, rather than provide the most likely suggestion first - עברי, it is given as the 8th suggestion, and the first suggestions are highly unlikely. [..] I believe that hunspell's dictionary in fact has a way to give such correction rules, but I don't know how to correctly write them, or how to make OpenOffice use them. The word list in the extension is created with myspell's format. Hunspell should be similar but I couldn't build that format at the time. The builds were done as part of the debian hspell package which I maintain. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote about Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice: I believe that hunspell's dictionary in fact has a way to give such correction rules, but I don't know how to correctly write them, or how to make OpenOffice use them. The word list in the extension is created with myspell's format. Hunspell should be similar but I couldn't build that format at the time. The builds were done as part of the debian hspell package which I maintain. Please let me know if you need help creating a hunspell-format dictionary from Hspell (it shouldn't be difficult - basically make hunspell should do it). OpenOffice loads the hunspell-format dictionary (with so-called double affix compression) *much* faster than it does the old myspell format, which fixes the old lockup-for-many-seconds-while-loading-the-hebrew- dictionary bug (see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66939). So it is actually important that you use the hunspell target, not the myspell target, in your packages. -- Nadav Har'El|Tuesday, Nov 2 2010, 25 Heshvan 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |A facility for quotation covers the http://nadav.harel.org.il |absence of original thought. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote about Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice: Known issue, and reported at http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=99796 Thanks for the pointer. I'll vote for the issue (if I can be of any other help, please let me know). The second issue is the correction suggestions for spelling errors. All the suggestions indeed appear to be valid words, but their order is terrible - it appears little or no attention was paid to trying to provide Dan checked, and it appears that the suboptimal (to be gentle) corrections indeed are not specific to OpenOffice, and happen already in hunspell. e.g., try $ echo עברי | hunspell -d he_IL Looking at the hunspell documentation, I see that there are TRY, REP and MAP keywords in the dictionary which can be used to specify letters that sound the same, and so on. We already used TRY, but not any of the others - and I guess we need to. Does anyone on this list have any experience with those? In particular, can one of these keywords be used to say that inserting or deleting waw or yod is more likely then inserting or deleting a gimel? -- Nadav Har'El|Tuesday, Nov 2 2010, 25 Heshvan 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |We don't see things as they are, we see http://nadav.harel.org.il |them as we are. -- Anais Nin ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
Actually, the lockup-for-many-seconds-bug was fixed by changing the encoding of the dictionary to UTF-8. (See http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=105490). Alan On 11/02/2010 01:09 PM, Nadav Har'El wrote: OpenOffice loads the hunspell-format dictionary (with so-called double affix compression) *much* faster than it does the old myspell format, which fixes the old lockup-for-many-seconds-while-loading-the-hebrew- dictionary bug (see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66939). -- Alan Yaniger Tk Open Systems 0546-841-481 ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 01:25:18PM +0200, Nadav Har'El wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote about Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice: Known issue, and reported at http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=99796 Thanks for the pointer. I'll vote for the issue (if I can be of any other help, please let me know). The second issue is the correction suggestions for spelling errors. All the suggestions indeed appear to be valid words, but their order is terrible - it appears little or no attention was paid to trying to provide Dan checked, and it appears that the suboptimal (to be gentle) corrections indeed are not specific to OpenOffice, and happen already in hunspell. e.g., try $ echo עברי | hunspell -d he_IL Looking at the hunspell documentation, I see that there are TRY, REP and MAP keywords in the dictionary which can be used to specify letters that sound the same, and so on. We already used TRY, but not any of the others - and I guess we need to. Does anyone on this list have any experience with those? It did not get into hspell 1.1, but if you append the following lines to hunspell's .aff, you get some soundlikes (Fedora and RHEL6 have it though) I did not find a means to convey the lightweight of yod and waw in thunspell(4). It sounds as a reasonable feature request, though. MAP 10 MAP ךכח MAP םמ MAP ןנ MAP ףפ MAP ץצ MAP כק MAP אע # for English MAP גה # for Russian MAP צס # for Arabic MAP חכר # for French ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote about Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice: I've double checked this, and Debian doesn't include a tool needed for building the hunspell target. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602189 I see :( However, if we're talking about the OpenOffice package, not the debian package, you're not really constrained by what is available on Debian. The solution to #66939 was providing the dictionary in UTF8 instead of iso-8859-8 encoding. The freeze by oo.org was actually a conversion to UTF-8. Hunspell might be faster than myspell, but the difference is minor comparing to the UTF8 conversion. At the moment oo.org loads the dictionary in less the 1 sec. Oh, sorry. I guess I remembered it wrongly. You're right. I checked on my system, and the myspell-format dictionary takes 0.3 seconds to load, while the hunspell-format takes 0.1 seconds. Not a dramatic difference. The uncompressed size of the hunspell format is half that of myspell - again, not dramatic. I think the difference in memory use is more dramatic (9 MB vs. 36 MB in a test I just did). I never understood the UTF-8 problem, by the way. Was this bug ever fixed? No encoding conversion should have ever been this slow. Even if they would pipe to an external iconv process, it would still have been 100 times faster ;-) -- Nadav Har'El|Tuesday, Nov 2 2010, 25 Heshvan 5771 n...@math.technion.ac.il |- Phone +972-523-790466, ICQ 13349191 |Classical music: music written by a http://nadav.harel.org.il |decomposing composer. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Nadav Har'El n...@math.technion.ac.ilwrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010, Lior Kaplan wrote about Re: Hebrew spell-checking in OpenOffice: I've double checked this, and Debian doesn't include a tool needed for building the hunspell target. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=602189 I see :( However, if we're talking about the OpenOffice package, not the debian package, you're not really constrained by what is available on Debian. I'm constrained as I work (and package) on Debian. But I'll take the dictionary files from the Fedora RPM. I'll update you when a new extension will be ready and we'll test it. Kaplan ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
looking to buy ARM servers
Hello everyone, I am looking to purchase ARM servers, preferably with the new Cortex-A15 processors. This is to run general purpose server workloads, so I would like to buy full integrated servers rather than build them up myself from embedded boards. Any ideas who sells such beasties in Israel? Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
[YBA] *recent* IOP 480 experience?
Hi Linux-il members,
Anyone have experience with the PLX IOP 480 on recent (last two years) PC
x86?
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Re: looking to buy ARM servers
Hi, Why don't you take Atom processors? more horse power (IIRC), and there are solutions (from Intel) which can give you a big box with few dozens boards and hard disks. Hetz 2010/11/2 Muli Ben-Yehuda m...@il.ibm.com Hello everyone, I am looking to purchase ARM servers, preferably with the new Cortex-A15 processors. This is to run general purpose server workloads, so I would like to buy full integrated servers rather than build them up myself from embedded boards. Any ideas who sells such beasties in Israel? Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- *חץ בן חמו חץ-ביז (הוסטינג) *השכרה ואירוח של שרתים פיזיים השכרת שרתים וירטואליים מקצועיים וגדולים במחירים *קטנים* בקרו באתרנו בכתובת hetz.biz http://www.hetz.biz/ ובבלוג שלנו: blog.hetz.biz טלפוןן: 078113/4/5, אימייל: sa...@hetz.biz מסנג'ר: sa...@hetz.biz - סקייפ: heunique ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
Hi Muli,
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:14:43AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
I am looking to purchase ARM servers, preferably with the new
Cortex-A15 processors.
The Cortex-A15 core has just been announced by ARM. Don't expect to see actual
Cortex-A15 based chips in less than a year.
This is to run general purpose server
workloads, so I would like to buy full integrated servers rather than
build them up myself from embedded boards. Any ideas who sells such
beasties in Israel?
Are you interested in processing horsepower, or storage?
The closest thing to server in the ARM world is probably a NAS box. See
arch/arm/mach-kirkwood/Kconfig in a recent kernel for a list of some things,
including QNAP and LaCie offerings. Since these are all ARMv5 chips with VIVT
cache, their processing capabilities are seriously limited.
baruch
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Re: looking to buy ARM servers
On Nov 2, 2010, at 5:03 PM, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Why don't you take Atom processors? more horse power (IIRC), and there are solutions (from Intel) which can give you a big box with few dozens boards and hard disks. Didn't we have this discussion a couple of weeks ago? Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
Hi Muli,
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:30:12PM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote:
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:11:34PM +0200, Baruch Siach wrote:
Are you interested in processing horsepower, or storage?
Mostly processing, although storage is also interesting.
Then you should go for the Coretx-A8/A9 based chips. You can have a
Beagleboard (TI OMAP based) for about $150. I don't know who sells them in
Israel though.
The closest thing to server in the ARM world is probably a NAS
box. See arch/arm/mach-kirkwood/Kconfig in a recent kernel for a
list of some things, including QNAP and LaCie offerings. Since these
are all ARMv5 chips with VIVT cache, their processing capabilities
are seriously limited.
Thanks for the tip. Any recommendation on where to buy on these boards
in Israel?
I have no personal experience, bug Zap is you friend.
QNAP: http://www.zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=c-harddrivedb187326=1286371
LaCie: http://www.zap.co.il/models.aspx?sog=c-harddrivedb187326=1570185
baruch
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Re: looking to buy ARM servers
On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Baruch Siach wrote: Then you should go for the Coretx-A8/A9 based chips. You can have a Beagleboard (TI OMAP based) for about $150. I don't know who sells them in Israel though. For that price (500 NIS) you can get a dual core ATOM (2x aprox 1.6gHz cores), capability of up to 2g RAM, 2 sata interfaces, one PCI (may be PCIe) slot, and so on. These take standard power supplies and fit standard cases. They may be too big for you. Both Ivory and KSP sell them and I'm sure all the usual others. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM To help restaurants, as part of the stimulus package, everyone must order dessert. As part of the socialized health plan, you are forbidden to eat it. :-) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Pop toaster recommendations seeked
Quoting Yedidyah Bar-David, from the post of Mon, 01 Nov: I worked for several years with postfix+dovecot+postfixadmin. IIRC it was mostly based on this howto: http://bliki.rimuhosting.com/space/knowledgebase/linux/mail/postfixadmin+on+debian+sarge which is pretty dated, but postfixadmin itself (and the underlying tools, no doubt) is still maintained. It's pretty basic but working. the howto is very out of date, but I improvised and got dovecot and postfixadmin to play nice with the same DB scheme (which changed since the howto), but now I have postfix refusing to connect to the database. I'm close to open a new thread on that since I feel like I exhausted everything Google could find me. -- An endangered species Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
Did anyone on this list actually installed and maintained mainstream distribution on Sheevaplug ? ( or alike ) I'm referring to a VERY light implementation of firewall/postfix/apache. ( all on the same machine will surprise me though ) If so, please share brand,model and configuration. I'm not expecting production class here, if anyone wonders... Thank you Moish ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 08:55:12PM +0200, Moish wrote: Did anyone on this list actually installed and maintained mainstream distribution on Sheevaplug ? ( or alike ) I'm referring to a VERY light implementation of firewall/postfix/apache. ( all on the same machine will surprise me though ) If so, please share brand,model and configuration. I'm not expecting production class here, if anyone wonders... Stock Debian Lenny, with a backported kernel. Works fine. As of Squeeze the standard kernel should do. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best tzaf...@debian.org|| friend ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
chrooted postfix in debian and mysql
Quoting Ira Abramov, from the post of Tue, 02 Nov: the howto), but now I have postfix refusing to connect to the database. I'm close to open a new thread on that since I feel like I exhausted everything Google could find me. Motherfrakker! This took two important hours and here's the solution: postfix kept complaining the socket was not there but it is. finally I saw that one example listed the map setting in main.cf thus: virtual_alias_maps = proxy:mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf rather than: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql_virtual_alias_maps.cf As most of the faqs do. I did grep chroot /etc/postfix/* and discovered that master.cf indeed defaults all the services to chroots (not a bad idea at all) but not the proxymap. indeed if you look at the postfix processes in /proc you will see that most interesting bits do run chrooted. the solution was not to move the socket into the chroot, but instead to use the proxy: to get to it. methinks this and other bits of the process mean the howto needs a serious update. If only I had the time :-) -- The gift that keeps on giving Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:11:34PM +0200, Baruch Siach wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 10:14:43AM +0200, Muli Ben-Yehuda wrote: I am looking to purchase ARM servers, preferably with the new Cortex-A15 processors. The Cortex-A15 core has just been announced by ARM. Don't expect to see actual Cortex-A15 based chips in less than a year. Ok -- then earlier generation CPUs would be fine too. This is to run general purpose server workloads, so I would like to buy full integrated servers rather than build them up myself from embedded boards. Any ideas who sells such beasties in Israel? Are you interested in processing horsepower, or storage? Mostly processing, although storage is also interesting. The closest thing to server in the ARM world is probably a NAS box. See arch/arm/mach-kirkwood/Kconfig in a recent kernel for a list of some things, including QNAP and LaCie offerings. Since these are all ARMv5 chips with VIVT cache, their processing capabilities are seriously limited. Thanks for the tip. Any recommendation on where to buy on these boards in Israel? Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, Why don't you take Atom processors? Because I want to run experiments on the ARM architecture. Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
Get yourself an old openmoko device. They are ARM based, well documented, with several simple options of Linux distros for them. Very weak, of course, but for ARM games (playing with your arm :-) ) they should be just fine. Ez On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Muli Ben-Yehuda m...@il.ibm.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, Why don't you take Atom processors? Because I want to run experiments on the ARM architecture. Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: looking to buy ARM servers
As written earlier, the cheapest way to get an ARM is to buy a Seagate FreeAgent Dockstar at 300 NIS. This is basically a slightly trimmed down SheevaPlug. 128MB RAM 128MB NAND Flash 3 USB ports Fanless debian OpenWRT available. Please see: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.region.israel/41327 Also look at the Amazon page for the product: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G It seems that the pogoplug service is now free for life, or so says one of the Amazon user reviews. Udi On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Muli Ben-Yehuda m...@il.ibm.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 05:03:39PM +0200, Hetz Ben Hamo wrote: Hi, Why don't you take Atom processors? Because I want to run experiments on the ARM architecture. Cheers, Muli ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
