Re: two internet lines, two ssh tunnels, separate route tables
I think i understood your setup. first, ill clarify my setup for both myself and others: (ascii meant for mono-spaced font) [client1] | | [adsl1]-|eth0|default || |linx| | pc | || [adsl2]-|eth1| | | [client2] The connection that [clients*] use to connect to the [linxpc] is ssh -D port which creates a socks proxy on the [client*]. If the default route of [linxpc] is [adsl1] then packets from [client2] will get routed out through [adsl1] instead of [adsl2]. The objective with ssh -D on the clients is to give them full liberty to determine where the connection ends. So to answer your question, the tunnel is dynamic and the client decides where it ends up. Hence, setting up static routes for everything [client2] wants to use on the internet to be certain it goes through [adsl2] isnt practical in this setup. atm, it appears my only solution to convince SSHD not to use eth0 for tunnels set through eth1 is to run it in a separate virtual machine on the host, which has its own different default route. But i want to find a more elegant solution if one exists. Even considering swapping out the ADSL routers for thin clients (wrt54g's with a full sshd running on them) so that I can setup the tunnel directly through the adsl router, which will have its own default. but geeze! Lastly, hey! hope you are well. thanks On 3/28/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 11:04:08AM +0200, Nathan Fain wrote: When sshd deals with port forwarding and tunneling it seems to re encapsulate the outgoing packets and use the default route for determining which interface or internet line to send it out on. I have two internet lines and I want to change this behavior so that sshd will forward the tunnel back out through the same internet line the tunnel was setup on. The question that I have is where do the tunnels end up? For example, I have the usual PPTP tunnel to netvision. I have a specific route to the IP address of their tunneling host and a default route via the tunnel. If I wanted to add a second tunnel to anywhere else, then all I need to do is to set up a specific route to that host. If I want to communicate with that host for other things than the tunnel, I would run into a problem. Or not depending upon what gets routed over the direct interface. The situation becomes problematic when I want to have two tunnels on the same host. Then there is no easy way to route packets on one interface and not the other. If you are connecting to an ISP, you can arrange for one tunnel to be hosted on one IP and the other on a different one. It may already be that way, and you don't know it. For example, Netvision has several pptp tunnel hosts. I use the one I was assigned to. I know other users who were assigned to different ones. I don't know what would happen if I switched. They may not let me connect, they may get upset and complain, or they may not even pay attention. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ -- cyphunk://cypherpoet.com nathan://squimp.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: two internet lines, two ssh tunnels, separate route tables
On 3/28/07, Ilya Konstantinov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mind that forwarding through the same interface as the SSH connection came from is not the obvious thing to do. Often you want SSH forwarding precisely for the reason that a certain destination is available to the SSH server through an interface which you don't have. One easy way to implement the thing you want would be to patch sshd. You might not want to touch code, but face it - what you're trying to do isn't trivial with iptables/iproute2, and might not end up reliable. true, might consider this. This sprung to my mind as well. You actually want to deal only with a single sshd child process, not the entire sshd, so --pid-owner sounds about right. This would be something you'd executed through PAM session module, as to still have root permissions (and keep it out of the user's control). thanks. Might try this also. -- cyphunk://cypherpoet.com nathan://squimp.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
two internet lines, two ssh tunnels, separate route tables
When sshd deals with port forwarding and tunneling it seems to re encapsulate the outgoing packets and use the default route for determining which interface or internet line to send it out on. I have two internet lines and I want to change this behavior so that sshd will forward the tunnel back out through the same internet line the tunnel was setup on. DETAIL: the setup i have is a server connected to two different ADSL lines using two different network cards. I would like to ssh through adsl_1 and have the tunnel (dynamic) go back out that same line. in the same manner id like the tunnel setup through adsl_2 go back out through adsl_2. The problem is that sshd uses the default at all times when reencapsulating packets. Currently I have iproute2 configured as follows: ip route flush table adsl1 ip route flush table adsl2 #setup table for ADSL1, 1.2 is the network card of the linux pc ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.2 table adsl1 ip route add default via 192.168.1.1 table adsl1 #setup table for ADSL2, 2.2 is the network card of the linux pc ip route add 192.168.2.0/24 dev eth1 src 192.168.2.2 table adsl2 ip route add default via 192.168.2.1 table adsl2 #setup route rules: ip rule add from 192.168.1.2 table adsl1 ip rule add from 192.168.2.2 table adsl2 The only solution I can think of as yet is to create iptable rules per sshd PID. This is ugly and i am guessing will require extensive debugging to deal with child processes. NOTE: i did follow the advanced linux routing howto closely: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html and while this allows the ssh tunnels to get setup they are all still funneled out through the global default route. I've also tried running separate sshd instances bound to each interface seperately in hopes that that sshd would create packets with that interface as the source, theyby causing it to be routed out the proper interface by iproute2. but this isnt the case, the sshd running on the linux interface for adsl2 will still route according to the global default, out adsl1, EVEN though this instance of sshd is only listening to the interface on adsl2. -- cyphunk://cypherpoet.com nathan://squimp.com
Job opp: System Administrator
MobilEye, a very stable and aggressive hardware+software company (See: http://www.mobileye.com/profile.shtml), is looking for an experienced system administrator. 1. System Administrator: - experienced : at least 3-5 years. - very good knowledge in Linux and Windows. - Solaris - an advantage. - Knowledge in network management, backups, email servers etc. - Good customer support skills. Please send any CV's to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nathan Fain Sr. System Administrator MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd. R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartum st. Har Hozvim, P.O.Box 45157 Jerusalem 91450 Telephone: + 972-2-541-7357 Fax: + 972-2-541-7300 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mobileye.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Job opp: Programmer
MobilEye, a stable and aggressive hardware+software company in the field of advanced automotive technology (see http://www.mobileye.com/profile.shtml), is looking for an experienced programmer. Programmer - experienced: 3-5 years. - C and C++ knowledge a must. - Real Time programming - big advantage. - low level programing - driver, embedded system. - linux system programing - advantage. - Ability and will for self-learning. Please send your CV to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nathan Fain Sr. System Administrator MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd. R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartum st. Har Hozvim, P.O.Box 45157 Jerusalem 91450 Telephone: + 972-2-541-7357 Fax: + 972-2-541-7300 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mobileye.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Job opp: Programmer
MobilEye, a stable and aggressive hardware+software company in the field of advanced automotive technology (see http://www.mobileye.com/profile.shtml), is looking for an experienced programmer. Programmer - experienced: 3-5 years. - C and C++ knowledge a must. - Real Time programming - big advantage. - low level programing - driver, embedded system. - linux system programing - advantage. - Ability and will for self-learning. Please send your CV to the following address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nathan Fain Sr. System Administrator MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd. R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartum st. Har Hozvim, P.O.Box 45157 Jerusalem 91450 Telephone: + 972-2-541-7357 Fax: + 972-2-541-7300 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mobileye.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sms_client use in israel?
Has anyone been able to get smsclient to somehow work in israel? SMS Client uses your modem to dial into a messages centre operated by your provider, this relays the message to the phone or pager. Does anyone know of any such company in israel providing Message Centre like services? (via a strikly hardware based solution, not the web based smsgateway interface, forwhich sendsms is likely much better for than smsclient.) http://www.smsclient.org KNOWN/SUPPORTED Providers: ProviderProtocolCountry Version Cellnet TAP UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Vodafone UK Proprietary UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Vodafone AU Proprietary Australia 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Orange Proprietary UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Pageone Proprietary UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 MinicallPageone UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Vodacom Proprietary South Africa2.0.7, 2.0.8 MTN Proprietary South Africa2.0.7, 2.0.8 One2one Proprietary UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 VodapageProprietary UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 BTEasyreach TAP UK 2.0.7, 2.0.8 TIM Proprietary Italy 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Detemobil - D1 TAP Germany 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Azcom TAP US 2.0.7, 2.0.8 AmpiTAP US Alabama 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Telstra TAP Australia 2.0.7, 2.0.8 PTT/KPN Telcom Proprietary Netherlands 2.0.7, 2.0.8 KPNText UCP Netherlands 2.0.9 KNPUCP UCP Netherlands 2.0.9 Libertel(Vodafone NL) Proprietary Netherlands 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Answer Proprietary New Zealand 2.0.7, 2.0.8 ProximusProprietary Belgium 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Europolitan CIMDSweden 2.0.7, 2.0.8 SNPP 2.0.7, 2.0.8 SwisscomUCP Switzerland 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Telenor UCP Norway 2.0.7, 2.0.8 D2 UCP Germany 2.0.7, 2.0.8 Telia UCP Sweden 2.0.8 EPLUS TAP Germany 2.0.7, 2.0.8 VoiceStream TAP US 2.0.8 Telecom NZ TAP New Zealand 2.0.8 BTMessageMaster TAP UK 2.0.8 MobistarUCP Belgium 2.0.8 BelgacomUCP Belgium 2.0.9a Web Based Cellnet Web Proprietary Web UK 2.0.8 Orange Web Proprietary Web UK 2.0.8 Proximus WebProprietary Web 2.0.9a ATT WebProprietary Web US 2.0.8 Nextel Web Proprietary Web 2.0.8 Pagenet Web Proprietary Web 2.0.8 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sms hardware solutions
I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some limited solutions and I'm curious what others have experience with or would recommend I focus research on. thanks Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sms solutions for corp. network alerts
I'm trying to find a solution for sending SMS alerts which does not rely on internet connectivity via my LAN. The objective being to send BigBrother alerts and whatnot via the hardware solution. I've spoken with Orange and they have some limited solutions and I'm curious what others have experience with or would recommend I focus research on thanks Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A good network filter based on linux?
Anyone know of a linux or unix based content filter gateway system? That filters at least smtp traffic, pop3 being the next in priority and http and ftp being useful features. We have up to this point been using CA's eTrust as our traffic filter. It filters incoming and outgoing http, ftp, pop3 and smtp. It checks for viruses on emails and activex or java classes known to have problems. It is based on windows, and when I tell you it sucks trust me that it sucks divine ass (crashes constantly, creates loops of alert messages that gobble up bandwidth, etc..) We are now looking for a replacement and the proposals we have are for more windows based replacements. We are a linux shop and would prefer a linux or unix based content filter gateway system. Primary reason being for some reliability, second being because it opens doors for doing other interesting things with the gateway. Thanks Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disabling a built in pci device from linux
the problem is that I want to dissable the internal firewire card and use one that I plug in via pcmcia. reason being that the internal one doesn't support certain devices and YET the program for said device only looks for the device on the first firewire card. Oleg Kobets wrote: recompile the kernel without the firewire support or disable the module from loading ? - Original Message - From: Nathan Fain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: disabling a built in pci device from linux I'm trying to disable the internet firewire device on a compaq presario 1700. There is no option in the bios to do so so I'm trying to find a way to do this inside linux. (2.4 kernel, suse8.1 system) Any ideas? thanks = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
disabling a built in pci device from linux
I'm trying to disable the internet firewire device on a compaq presario 1700. There is no option in the bios to do so so I'm trying to find a way to do this inside linux. (2.4 kernel, suse8.1 system) Any ideas? thanks = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server
It does use OpenGL. The application opens multiple image squence windows for comparison. Just find it a bit strange that it 1: works sometime, 2: works perfectly when compiled on a SuSE7.1 system (X4.2, mesa 3.4) and then run on this newer system. btw, I have mesa 4.0.3 if it matters and I've run the demo's and set the permission and mesa has given me it's blessing. Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Nathan Fain wrote: I have a SuSE8.1 system installed with the XFree86 4.3.0 packages from SuSE for 8.1 and KDE 3.1 on top of that. 50% of the times that I run an application we wrote I get the following error: XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server ebony:0.0 after 14 requests (13 known processed) with 0 events remaining. then that is it and it exits. The other 50% of the time it runs perfectly. NOTE: I compiled the application using gcc3.1. If I compile it on a SuSE7.1 system with the SuSE X 4.2.0 packages and then run it on a SuSE8.1 system it works fine. Also note: this happens on all of the SuSe8.1 system I have (about 20 or so) so it can't be specific to Video card (they all have various cards). Bellow is the last lines of an strace on the application. Note: DRI is setup and working and loads just fine from the looks of the X log. Any clues?? Sounds very interesting. What does this application do? does it use libGl and friends or only does 2D stuff? If you run the X server on the systems in vga mode (no acceleration) does it still behave the same? Gilad. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server
I have a SuSE8.1 system installed with the XFree86 4.3.0 packages from
SuSE for 8.1 and KDE 3.1 on top of that. 50% of the times that I run an
application we wrote I get the following error:
XIO: fatal IO error 0 (Success) on X server ebony:0.0
after 14 requests (13 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
then that is it and it exits. The other 50% of the time it runs
perfectly. NOTE: I compiled the application using gcc3.1. If I compile
it on a SuSE7.1 system with the SuSE X 4.2.0 packages and then run it on
a SuSE8.1 system it works fine. Also note: this happens on all of the
SuSe8.1 system I have (about 20 or so) so it can't be specific to Video
card (they all have various cards). Bellow is the last lines of an
strace on the application. Note: DRI is setup and working and loads
just fine from the looks of the X log.
Any clues??
thanks
access(/homes/nathan/.Xauthority, R_OK) = 0
open(/homes/nathan/.Xauthority, O_RDONLY) = 8
fstat64(8, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=398, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40027000
read(8, \0\0\0\4\300\250\1K\0\0010\0\22MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1\0..., 4096)
= 398
close(8)= 0
munmap(0x40027000, 4096)= 0
time([1057064720]) = 1057064720
writev(7, [{l\0\v\0\0\0\23\0\30\0\0\0, 12}, {XDM-AUTHORIZATION-1,
19}, {\0, 1},
{N\22Re\332\274F\3653\304c\350=\32:\330VR`\300\351|%\235..., 24}], 4) = 56
fcntl64(7, F_GETFL) = 0x2 (flags O_RDWR)
fcntl64(7, F_SETFL, O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK) = 0
read(7, 0xbfffe5a8, 8) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\v\0\0\0\224\0, 8)= 8
read(7, \340\355f\2\0\0\0\4\377\377\37\0\0\1\0\0\30\0\377\377\1...,
592) = 592
write(7, 7\0\5\0\0\0\0\4H\0\0\0\10\0\0\0\377\377\377\0b\0\5\0\f...,
64) = 64
read(7, 0xbfffe5c0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\1\202\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310..., 32)
= 32
read(7, \1\10\3\0t\16\0\0\37\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3179\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0...,
32) = 32
brk(0) = 0x925a000
brk(0x925e000) = 0x925e000
readv(7, [{*Box.background:\t#aeb2c3\n*Box.fo..., 14799}, {\0, 1}],
2) = 14800
write(7, \202\0\1\0, 4) = 4
read(7, 0xbfffe5e0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \0019\4\0\0\0\0\0\377\377\17\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0..., 32)
= 32
writev(7, [{b\0\5\0\t\0\0\4, 8}, {XKEYBOARD, 9}, {\0\0\0, 3}], 3) = 20
read(7, 0xbfffe430, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\5\0\0\0\0\0\1\225n\260\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310...,
32) = 32
write(7, \225\0\2\0\1\0\0\0, 8) = 8
read(7, 0xbfffe4f0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\1\6\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310\304...,
32) = 32
writev(7, [{b\0\3\0\3\0\0\0, 8}, {GLX, 3}, {\0, 1}], 3) = 12
read(7, 0xbfffe400, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\7\0\0\0\0\0\1\220M\234\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310...,
32) = 32
write(7, \220\7\3\0\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0, 12) = 12
read(7, 0xbfffe4b0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\10\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\2\0\0\0p\33\25\t\0\0\0\0\0\0...,
32) = 32
writev(7, [{b\7\5\0\v\0\0\0, 8}, {XFree86-DRI, 11}, {\0, 1}], 3) = 20
read(7, 0xbfffe3b0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\t\0\0\0\0\0\1\221\0\250\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310...,
32) = 32
write(7, \221\0\1\0, 4) = 4
read(7, 0xbfffe470, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\n\0\0\0\0\0\4\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310\304...,
32) = 32
write(7, \221\1\2\0\0\0\0\0, 8) = 8
read(7, 0xbfffe410, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\0\v\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\310\304...,
32) = 32
write(7, \221\4\2\0\0\0\0\0, 8) = 8
read(7, 0xbfffe400, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL, NULL, NULL)= 1 (in [7])
read(7, \1\30\f\0\1\0\0\0\4\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\1\0\0\0\4\0\0\0\310\304...,
32) = 32
readv(7, [{r128, 4}, {, 0}], 2) = 4
write(7, \220\16\2\0\0\0\0\0, 8) = 8
read(7, 0xbfffe4a0, 32) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource
temporarily unavailable)
select(8, [7], NULL,
Question concerning ACPI on 2.4.20
I am having trouble with ACPI on a fresh 2.4.20 kernel. I've applied the latest patch for 2.4.20 from the acpi project at sourceforge ( http://sourceforge.net/projects/acpi/ ) and while it does somewhat work (shows power usage, controls fan), I'm having two problems that make it impossible to use (detailed in a second). I've searched through the archives a bit. I've tried the kernel archives. I'm curious if anyone has any advice (Such as, search the archives harder you bastard, or go bug the kernel lists). Problems: 1) the system load averages (uptime) of my machine jumps to a consistent 4.0 and the system crawls 2) Firewire no longer works. When I plug in the card the machine freezes. A generic 2.4.20 kernel with acpi turned off works fine. Other details: Compaq Evo 610c laptop with SuSE8.1 (if you can, reply to all in this message, thanks) Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop screen is blanking out
In addition * I've tried reinstalling the 2.2 kernel without apm support and the problem (the screen blanking after 5 minutes and then keyboard/mouse not working after) still occurs Also, made a type with my setterm statements. What I tried was: setterm -powersave off setterm -blank 0 setterm -powerdown 0 Nathan Fain wrote: Short desc.: Screen blanks out and then keyboard and mouse will not work. I have a laptop whose screen will blank out after five minutes of no movement of the mouse or keyboard. When I move the mouse or press a key the screen comes back but the keyboard and mouse will not work (though processes continue to work.) This happens in the console (X is not running on the machine). I'd appreciate any suggestions or inclusion of other lists I could query. I've tried the following in troubleshooting and nothing has helped so far: * Checked this w/apmd (even though it is an ACPI machine) up and with it down. I've also tried it with ACPI support and the acpi management daemons for 2.4.x. * There are no options in the Compaq n610c bios and to turn this off no bios updates * and this feature, in fact, doesn't *appear* to be controlled by the BIOS as it does not happen in the windows installation on the machine. I've also tried setterm -powerboot, setterm -powersave setterm -powerdown setterm -blank Laptop: Compaq Evo N610c w/2.2.18 and 2.4.19 kernels -- Nathan Fain System Administrator MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd. R.M.P.E House, 10 Hartum st. Har Hozvim, P.O.Box 45157 Jerusalem 91450 Telephone: + 972-2-541-7356 Fax: + 972-2-541-7300 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mobileye.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laptop screen is blanking out
Short desc.: Screen blanks out and then keyboard and mouse will not work. I have a laptop whose screen will blank out after five minutes of no movement of the mouse or keyboard. When I move the mouse or press a key the screen comes back but the keyboard and mouse will not work (though processes continue to work.) This happens in the console (X is not running on the machine). I'd appreciate any suggestions or inclusion of other lists I could query. I've tried the following in troubleshooting and nothing has helped so far: * Checked this w/apmd (even though it is an ACPI machine) up and with it down. I've also tried it with ACPI support and the acpi management daemons for 2.4.x. * There are no options in the Compaq n610c bios and to turn this off no bios updates * and this feature, in fact, doesn't *appear* to be controlled by the BIOS as it does not happen in the windows installation on the machine. I've also tried setterm -powerboot, setterm -powersave setterm -powerdown setterm -blank Laptop: Compaq Evo N610c w/2.2.18 and 2.4.19 kernels = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Job for experianced Linux Admin / part time
We are looking for an experienced Linux Administrator (3-4+ years) to work part time. The task of this person is to continue the improvement of our Linux network (with windows and solaris in background). We are located in Jerusalem (Ramot). If interested please send your CV to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! About the company: http://www.mobileye.com/ MobilEye was incorporated in May 1999 for the purpose of developing and marketing advanced products in the surging market of automated on-board driver assistant systems. The Company has developed a number of proprietary algorithms and reference platforms that need only a single video camera for ACC, lane departure warning and collision mitigation. In addition, MobilEye has developed it's own hardware for this purpose. -- Nathan Fain MobilEye Vision Technologies Ltd. 24 Mishol Hadkalim St., Jerusalem, Israel Telephone: + 972-2-586-6989 Ext. 131 Fax: + 972-2-586-7720 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www: http://www.mobileye.com = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q: how to test that nfs lockd is working
How can i test and verify that the lock manager is working and doing it's job over NFS? Having trouble running a certain program over NFS (only over nfs) and getting strange lock errors, and have my doubts that despite my impression that it *should* be running and working (ie, rpcinfo shows the nlockmgr running). If you have no leads/clues to give me for the first Q perhaps someone knows what exactly RedHat's linuxconf does when you enable the nfs lock enable option. Reason being: It so happens that the documentation for this application (Cadence) gives direction to, on RedHat, use linuxconf to enable nfs locking. However, I'm trying to get this working on SuSE ). thanks Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Bandwith sniffer
try Orca: http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~blair/orca/docs/orcallator.html Some of the other tools listed as being build on RDDtool: http://www.caida.org/tools/utilities/rrdtool/ Cricket, perhaps? http://cricket.sourceforge.net/ Orca does the job for me just fine. Umm... I use orcillator (works on solaris only, sorry) to get the IP stat's and whatnot but you could build a script (or find one) that does the same. And, of course, it shows stat's per server (as opposed to per connection). Isn't there a tool called MTRG (or something like that?) which does it per connection? Also, if you use Cisco switches there are built in tools for this. Not that you would want to use them because there are other *concerns*, security and whatnot, when implementing these features. and if that didn't help... then bleh! Nathan -Original Message- From: Alex Shnitman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Alex Shnitman Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bandwith sniffer Hi, Ronen! On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 02:06:54PM +0200, you wrote the following: Hi, I'm interesting in a tool so i would be able to put on the linux firewall internal ethernet segment, machine, which will be able to show me how much bandwith is taken by each ip address, to where and the protocol type, so i would be able to know who's killing my bandwith. know any? using any? thanks. A graphical tool that does exactly that is Etherape. Check it out -- I'm very satisfied with it. -- Alex Shnitman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://alexsh.hectic.net/ UIN 188956 PGP 0xEC5D619D / E1 F2 7B 6C A0 31 80 28 63 B8 02 BA 65 C7 8B BA = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ?
what about remote management? I mean, will the remote management GUI which sits on windows work with a Linux FW-1? - N -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stanislav Malyshev a.k.a Frodo Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:48 AM To: Israeli Linux users list Subject: Re: Checkpoint Firewall-1 on Linux ? NSRS 6. There is currently NO GUI for linux. Bare in mind that even on Solaris NSRSthe advanced GUI uses Motif and the normal GUI is absolutely SHITTY. This what amazes me most in the thing. Being unable to port Unix GUI, written on Motif (which is now even Open Source), for years. Shows some respect for us Linux customers, isn't it? Like in "we are so elite those goofies will pay us big $$ even if we sell them half-usable product". NSRSSo I say, put the GUI client on some beat-up Winblowz machine, and NSRSmanage it from there. Or if you want, do what I do, use VMware :-) That's really funny suggestion. Paying for Windows or VMware license just to be able to use GUI for product you already bought. I could accept this for some sub-standard student freeware, but not for software whose price tag has four-plus digits. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]\/ There shall be counsels taken Stanislav Malyshev/\ Stronger than Morgul-spells phone +972-3-9316425 /\ JRRT LotR. http://sharat.co.il/frodo/whois:!SM8333 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Atomica: looking for OpenLDAP consultant
Atomica (formerly known as GuruNet) is looking for help from a developer (anywhere from 4 hours to a day) with in-depth understanding and proven experience developing for OpenLDAP. Please contact asap if interested. thanks -- nathan/cyphunk = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GuruNet - Looking for Unix admin
About GuruNet: http://www.gurunet.com/about.html "GuruNet is a leading provider of relevant information retrieval and delivery solutions. GuruNet's flagship find-engine painlessly and rapidly delivers highly relevant and consolidated information on any topic." Requirements: We are looking for a Unix and Linux Administrator to join our growing team. This person should have... - Good communications skills and should be a team player - At least 2 years experience administering Unix or Linux full time in a work environment - Strong grasp of network protocols and technologies - the ability to program for the purpose of administrative tasks (automation, performance monitoring, etc) - Ability to trouble shoot performance bottlenecks on high performance web sites Responsibilities: This person will be responsible for administration of our Unix and Linux clusters on our local and production/service networks. This person will also take part in implementation of security measures and Network/System performance monitoring/analysis. Personal comments (whether you care for them or not (: GuruNet is an amazing place to work at. I've had several job offers from different companies but I've never had the need to considered them. The people here are extremely personable, responsible and caring. Management has the employee in their highest concern. I've heard it re-iterated and watched them put into action the statement that we are here to have fun and to pioneer/kick-ass. If you are interested in joining our team then please send your ENGLISH CV (w/ or w/o cover letter) directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can also send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you can fax them to 02-678-0860 (both methods should be "ATTN: Nathan Fain"). ciao -- Nathan Fain GuruNet - +972(2)678-0830x140 B143 1DEC 1ECE 24FF C948 5BF2 BDE6 A074 490F 3380 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: GuruNet - Looking for Unix admin
I'm sorry, it seems a bit more detail is needed :) The job is located in Jerusalem, Gan Technology. GuruNet is flexible on hours. The position entails allot of responsibility but only to the degree that you want. I work crazy hours but that is just because, well... I'm crazy. This is certainly not expected from any other employee. Nathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Nathan Fain Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 12:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: GuruNet - Looking for Unix admin About GuruNet: http://www.gurunet.com/about.html "GuruNet is a leading provider of relevant information retrieval and delivery solutions. GuruNet's flagship find-engine painlessly and rapidly delivers highly relevant and consolidated information on any topic." Requirements: We are looking for a Unix and Linux Administrator to join our growing team. This person should have... - Good communications skills and should be a team player - At least 2 years experience administering Unix or Linux full time in a work environment - Strong grasp of network protocols and technologies - the ability to program for the purpose of administrative tasks (automation, performance monitoring, etc) - Ability to trouble shoot performance bottlenecks on high performance web sites Responsibilities: This person will be responsible for administration of our Unix and Linux clusters on our local and production/service networks. This person will also take part in implementation of security measures and Network/System performance monitoring/analysis. Personal comments (whether you care for them or not (: GuruNet is an amazing place to work at. I've had several job offers from different companies but I've never had the need to considered them. The people here are extremely personable, responsible and caring. Management has the employee in their highest concern. I've heard it re-iterated and watched them put into action the statement that we are here to have fun and to pioneer/kick-ass. If you are interested in joining our team then please send your ENGLISH CV (w/ or w/o cover letter) directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can also send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you can fax them to 02-678-0860 (both methods should be "ATTN: Nathan Fain"). ciao -- Nathan Fain GuruNet - +972(2)678-0830x140 B143 1DEC 1ECE 24FF C948 5BF2 BDE6 A074 490F 3380 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: #iglu on DALnet
Oh no... which network will you make that server apart of? And, hey! Don't forget about all the other networks as well. Undernet, EFNet and DALnet are not the only networks out there. There's the whole MS network that you seem to be forgetting about. Can anyone think of any other minute little details that we can argue about? If so, by all means, add them to this thread. okay, back to idling... - Nathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Boltyansky Boris Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 12:51 PM To: Oren Held Cc: Israeli Linux Mailing List Subject: Re: #iglu on DALnet Hi! Oren Held wrote: Hello! I don't understand what make you both want so much to open more channels.. Is it the great success of #iglu at efnet, or what ? Actually I think that the best is to make our own IRC server on irc.iglu.org.il Cya, Oren On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Boltyansky Boris wrote: Hi! To add to it, I wonna create a channel on UnderNet but there is a problem: the problem is the channel registration policy on undernet, I need 12 supporters (i.e. ppl that support the idea of registering a channel). Ariel Biener wrote: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Oren Held wrote: No, I actually didn't think of one channel. There is no problem with having a DALnet channel named #iglu, for those who use DALnet, and a EFnet one for those who use EFnet. For example, I am on both. This just gives people the opportunity to remain on their favourite irc network. --Ariel Hello Ariel! Hmm.. ok, so we should decide where we put the channel.. I don't have a problem to move it to dalnet if you prefer this, the question is if there are indeed more israelis there. Isn't there still a ban on *.il in dalnet ? Is #òáøéú still full ? Cya, Oren On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Ariel Biener wrote: Hi, Afaik, most Israeli (*.il) users are on DALnet. I have registered #iglu there, so people can come in, ask/answer questions. --Ariel -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ariel Biener e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work phone: 03-6406086 fingerprint = 07 D1 E5 3E EF 6D E5 82 0B E9 21 D4 3C 7D 8B BC = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |^| |^| | |/\| | | Boltyansky Boris. | | |\/| | | |/\| | | IGLU - Israeli Group of LiNUX Users. | |http://www.iglu.org.il| | |\/| | |_| |_| = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- |^| |^| | |/\| | | Boltyansky Boris. | | |\/| | | |/\| | | IGLU - Israeli Group of LiNUX Users. | |http://www.iglu.org.il| | |\/| | |_| |_| = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sys resources: buff's vs. cache?
I'm on a quest to understand where every little byte on my computer is being used. Actually, I'm trying to determine what is happening with all of my system resources. Here is a direct question but if you have any further suggestions or references concerning predicting and KNOWing system resource usage, please pass the links-doc's-and/or-booktitles along! Mem: 127776K av, 125920K used, 1856K free, 49888K shrd, 10288K buff Swap:390012K av, 159084K used, 230928K free 21228K cached what is the diff between buffered and cached? After that... what can I read to better understand the usage of these two numbers? Thanks, for any help what-so-ever - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Q: Interesting memory usage stat's
Just recently I started generating graph's of system resource usage on some of my linux machines. On a certain group of machines I noticed a steady level of between 90% and 100% memory usage (while at the same time, swap usage remains flat at 0%). Here is an example of what top shows on this Red Hat machine: 2:43am up 289 days, 11:38, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 44 processes: 43 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states: 0.0% user, 0.4% system, 0.0% nice, 99.4% idle Mem: 1036248K av, 900928K used, 135320K free, 26896K shrd, 321320K buff Swap: 514040K av, 2056K used, 511984K free548796K cached Looking at the graph I jumped but then after investigation and seeing things like the above I'm assuming this is expected behavior. But the Q's are: 1) Why is memory usage so high when it shouldn't be? Note: looking at the process that are running (most httpd), they don't amount to much more that 30mb. 2) How can I determine TRUE memory usage? any help or references to tfm are greatly appreciated... Thanks -- Nathan Fain = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: Q: Interesting memory usage stat's
the answer (provided by several people) to my Q was that the system is using the extra unused mem for disk caching. The message below is Tzafrir's suggestion for telling TRUE memory usage (as in, not including the buffering that is going on). I include it for the sake of the list archives (maybe someone will find it helpful). - N - Original Message - From: "Tzafrir Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Nathan Fain" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Q: Interesting memory usage stat's On Sun, 28 May 2000, Nathan Fain wrote: so... do you know of a way to tell TRUE memory usage? Buy that I mean what memory is being used by the process and kernel and not necessarily that used for disk caching. I guess you can calculate it as total - cahce - buff Alternativly - write a script that will parse /proc/[1-9]*/stat and sum for all processses Is this setup default for all installations? I have no idea if there is a way to set limits for those usages. Try going over the kernel documentation, I guess. I quick browsing of the files under /proc shows that /proc/sys/vm/pagecache and /proc/sys/vm/pagecache are writable by root. thanks - Original Message - From: "Tzafrir Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Nathan Fain" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Q: Interesting memory usage stat's On Sun, 28 May 2000, Nathan Fain wrote: Just recently I started generating graph's of system resource usage on some of my linux machines.On a certain group of machines I noticed a steady level of between 90% and 100% memory usage (while at the same time, swap usage remains flat at 0%).Here is an example of what top shows on this Red Hat machine: 2:43amup 289 days, 11:38, 1 user, load average: 0.02, 0.01, 0.00 44 processes: 43 sleeping, 1 running, 0 zombie, 0 stopped CPU states:0.0% user,0.4% system, 0.0% nice, 99.4% idle Mem:1036248K av, 900928K used, 135320K free,26896K shrd, 321320K buff Swap: 514040K av, 2056K used, 511984K free 548796K cached ^^ Looking at the graph I jumped but then after investigation and seeing things like the above I'm assuming this is expected behavior.But the Q's are: It is: your system is using unneeded memory for disk caching, buffers, etc. -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir -- Tzafrir Cohen mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.technion.ac.il/~tzafrir = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Fw: Linux related activities in Nazareth area
- Original Message - From: "Chen Shapira" To: "'Nathan Fain'" Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 3:09 PM Subject: RE: Linux related activities in Nazareth area yeah a T-Shirt that says: Jesus uses Linux (I know I'd have allot of fun proving the statement to the tourists up there) Its not really a joke. Look: http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/Node/4081/ lol quote from site: "Also, we are seriously considering changing some fundamental OS features. The idea would be that function calls and features suggesting evil and otherwise pagan ideas would be changed. abort(3) kill(1) references to 'daemon'" If they every get that distribution off the ground I'm switching to OpenBSD... gotta love that little devil. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux study group - who's intereted?
I have two questions for you... Q1: Are you interested in helping with the effort to start a free study group? Please, if you are interested in helping the group by linking resources on the internet to the objectives that the Linux Professional Institute (LPI) provides () then let me know. On another note, I've talked with someone within the LPI who tells me that they will incorporate the resources that we find with the objectives for the LPI certification. So, help out and become famous :) (well... not really). Q2: Are you or someone you know (hint hint... spread the word) interested in being a participant in a free Linux study group that would be held in Jerusalem? read on... This is a study group that would require you to do most of the studying at home, though there may be guest lecturers from time to time. The meetings serve more as a place to see demonstration of the things that you read the week before and have any questions that you have on the material answered. You would also be required to explain and show some of the material that was assigned to you. The purpose would be to take you from a beginners level to that of a Linux Administrator. Though not the main reason, a certain plus of the group is that the material and study will be built using the Linux Professional Institute (LPI, www.lpi.org) objective's list for their certification exams. I believe that the meetings and schedule would extend about six months though I will know more about this as we start getting all the material together. The study material will be entirely from sources on the internet and therefore FREE. There is no admission to the group so that is also FREE. The only requirements are that you be able to handle the small work load given to you each week and to keep up with the class. If you are interested than please email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) so that I can get an idea of how many people we are looking at. NOTE: All further discussion on this subject will be confined to the Jerusalug mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Please subscribe if you wish to take part or help with this effort. Thanks -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.guru.net
Re: OT: sun products sellers in israel
- Original Message - From: "Ely Levy" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Guy Cohen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:11 PM Subject: Re: OT: sun products sellers in israel eim ,anchor and another one I forgot:) Do you mean EM (www.eandm.co.il/)? We use them for our servers here as well as in the US. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerusalem Study Group (was: Report about the Welcome to Linux first lecture)
By the way, I really hope that someone from T.A. area will start a series also, and even Jerusalem... I'm willing to come and give lectures about topics I know (especially in exchange to a modem configuration lecture... noticed how much we really need that?). As it happens... some discussion has been happening on the Jerusalem list to address this need (for intro lectures or meetings for people). As a result we have found space + computers (10+, I believe) for an Intro to Linux study group (free and open, of course). Educom (a new English school in Jerusalem) has been gracious enough to allow us to use their space and computers once a week. However, before this can happen we need to find all the material needed to carry out such an event. Unlike what is happening in Haifa (which, btw, sounds very cool) this will be a STUDY GROUP. Which means you have to go home and STUDY :) There might be lecture's here and there but the majority of learning and study will be done by the participants themselves. How it would work (suggestions?): All the participants in the group would be required to go home and read the material for that week (which would cover one of the objective's provided by the www.lpi.org institute: http://www.lpi.org/p-obj-101.html). At the same time they would each be given a section to focus on and to show to the rest of the group the next week. Any questions which anyone had would be given to certain participants to go and try to find answers to for the next weekly meeting and those which couldn't be answered would, ideally, be answered by an on-hand Linux Guru. The requirements for the participants would be English reading skills (as most, if not all, of the material will be from the internet), someone who can RTFM (knows how to study and learn somewhat on their own), has no problems with having Linux installed on their computer at home (from which to try things out) and has a Internet connection (to access all the material). LPI (www.lpi.org) provides a good base of objectives that should be learned to go from beginner to a reasonable Linux Admin. However, the material for learning fulfilling the objectives need to be found. I am looking for 4 or 5 people who are willing to help me with this task. That is, going over the list of objectives and finding resources for learning a few of them. If you are interested please email me and join the Jerusalug mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I will post the objective's to that list for discussion later in the week. Or you can check them out by going to the LPI website. It would also be nice to have 1 or 2 Linux Guru's that could commit to being at the meetings to answer the difficult questions. Though, this is not essential for the group to go on. What is essential, however, is that the material for the objectives be found on the internet. So, unless I have people to help me with that... it could be another 8 months before this thing gets off the ground. Note: Educom has no say in anything other than the day we want to schedule the meeting (to be sure they have the space). Also, you might notice that LPI and the objectives they provide are for their certification. LPI started from a public mailing list (as it remains, for the most part). It is important to note that the certification is NOT the goal. It so happens that the objectives provide a good point to start from and for many, certifications can be good motivation tools. -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.guru.net "Nice, isn't it, when your guru takes you to the mountaintop, rather than making you climb?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Come join our team! (job offer from GuruNet)
GuruNet (http://www.guru.net) is looking for a Guru of Systems Administration to help us as our global network expands. This person should have knowledge with Linux and Unix in a enterprise environment and also be able to handle the day to day tasks of the LAN (Windows, Linux and Unix based). Requirements: - Unix and Windows administration experience - Ability to use scripting languages (such as Perl, Python, or Shell) to perform administrative tasks - Good communication skills - Team player To apply for this job send your CV to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.guru.net 02-678-0860 x 40 || 054-906262 "Nice, isnt it, when your guru takes you to the mountaintop, rather than making you climb?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux on notebooks, which one to buy?
Hey, I'm about to purchase a notebook computer for the sole purpose of putting Linux on it. The Q is, which one will give me the least hassle (which is something I just don't have the time for right now)? Currently, in my investigation of this issue, I have found the following Sony (which I wanted to get) couldn't tell me jack about support for Linux. And I made it very clear to them that I wanted to buy a Sony but wasn't going to do so for that sole purpose (That I couldn't know before had as to if the hardware would work, in one way or another, in Linux). Dell sells a laptop with Linux preinstalled. So, I'm guaranteed no hassles with getting the hardware working in Linux (which I just don't have the time for these days). Problem is that it's $3300+ which is a little pricey for me. In the end, I talked to the people at Apple about the iBook and someone there told me what I already knew which was that the iBook does work fine with Linux. Also talked to the people at LinuxPPC and they said the same. I'm not sure about the external floppy and other devices (will have to check) but it sounds good and a completely upgraded iBook with the works is around $2200. Anyway, any experiences that you have had with ease of laptop hardware setup with Linux, or lack thereof, is greatly appreciated. -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.gurunet.com "Nice, isn't it, when your guru takes you to the mountaintop, rather than making you climb?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux on notebooks, which one to buy?
Don't you just love the unnecessary flame :) Why you're doing this?? Yes, you can buy Dell with Linux pre-installed, but they grab the same amount of money as the windows version, so its better to buy it as it is, repartition the disk and install Linux.. My point exactly. Regarding to Installing Linux - come on! its not that hard! there is a web page with all the notebook known models that work with Linux. - all you have to do is: 1. Buy the notebook (IBM Toshiba are very good ones IMHO) 2. Print the web page 3. Install your favourite Linux distribution.. the installation (including tweaking all the things) shouldn't take more then an hour to 90 minutes.. Those pages already solved all your problems.. Okay, say I (#1) go out and by a Sony with a external CD-Rom... I (#2) print the webpage to discussed and, oh no! I try to install (#3) and find out there is no support for that external CD-Rom. Yeah, that's being responsible. I'm just checking things out before I buy... = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux on notebooks, which one to buy?
Tuxtops.com has many nice machines, some at affordable prices. Also, the Toshiba's with incorporated CDs don't seem to have any problem. Last week I installed two Portege's (3x00) via their CDs. Took only the time to discover you got to press C while booting to make them boot from CD - the BIOS has no such option. /msg purl izar++ Never knew such a place existed... seriously considering. thanks - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux on notebooks, which one to buy?
in conclusion... I dug deep and found the following resources for installing Linux on laptops. This site covers Linux support, or lack of, for most laptops: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/kharker/linux-laptop/ http://www.linux.org/hardware/laptop.html The Apple iBook is not discussed so I talked to someone who had tried to install it on theirs and they were unable to get the following working: ATI Video sound card internal modem USB floppy drive So, the iBook is out of the Q. Considering that support for laptops is greater than my original impression, I'm going to use one of our spare laptops lying around the office to set linux up on and save my money for the full fledged wearable I hope to build (yeah, I keep telling myself that). - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: Q about NOC's
We've been having trouble with the NOC in the US that monitors and stores our servers. I'm possibly considering switching to a different company. If you have the same type of setup (servers in the US or elsewhere being monitored and held by a third party company) I would really like to discuss the problems I've seen with our NOC (Navisite) and hear the +/-'s of yours. Send me email off list or call me at 02-678-0830 x 40 thanks -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.gurunet.com "Nice, isn't it, when your guru takes you to the mountaintop, rather than making you climb?" = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jerusalug - just a small note
Someone on the Jerusalug list suggested coming to next Thursdays (march 16) meeting/lecture even if the topics don't interest you to asks Q's that might *stump* me. To encourage this I'll have 30+ snickers bars to give to those that DO asks Q's (related to the topics) that "stump" me. I hope 30 will be enough :-7 For those that didn't get the topic list... the subject will be basic networking up to a level that you can understand the second half which will be on Layer 3 and 4 protocols and Denial of Service attacks related to them. -- Nathan Fain - [EMAIL PROTECTED] IS Manager - http://www.guru.net = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RJ45 and RJ11?
As others have already pointed out: RJ-45 = for most Ethernet networks (that use twisted pair cable) and other network types as well. RJ-11 = for the US phone system (is it only US?) RJ-14 = Feel free to dispute me on this but I'm almost certain this is what we use here in Israel. For these and more Registered Jack standards... Check out www.whatis.com/rj.htm or do a query for RJ in GuruNet :) Nathan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Shaul Karl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: RJ45 and RJ11? Am I right that the standard Ethernet connector is RJ-45 while the standard phone connector (the one that plugs in into modem cards and phones) is RJ-11? Does someone have a reference to an online "all about connectors" FAQ and info? -- Shaul Karl[EMAIL PROTECTED] An elephant is a mouse with an operating system. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
err msg: Warning: Unable to open initial console
I have a Red Hat 6.0 machine. Someone didn't shutdown one of my RH 6.0 machines properly and just unplugged it from the wall. This, as expected, caused some problems with my disk. The exact error upon reboot was: EXT2-FS ERROR (device sd(8,3)): ext2_read_inode: unable to read inode block - inode 64321, block = 65540") So, I booted with a rescue disk set and e2fsck'ed it. The check resulted in e2fsck clearing a ton of inodes (something like inode 64300 - 66800). When I reboot it goes past the location of the old error and gives me: Warning: Unable to open initial console. It just hangs here. I've checked in news groups and other sources on-line. People are telling me to re-install. Is this truly what I should do (as I would really prefer not)? Or is there documentation somewhere on this error and what it is related to. Any help or leads on how to solve or approach this problem thanks - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Drivers Wanted
Just wondering if anyone has extra room in their car for the next IGLU meeting? I'm looking for a ride. thanks - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HUJI - status
Prof. Amnon Barak will be HAPPY to talk about his Linux project. He will give you a lecture hall, too ( On Ross, 3rd floor ). Great. So that takes care of getting a place and somewhat solving the first lecture. For an Intro to Linux lecture it would be nice to hear him give a talk of why he chose linux over the other os's and I imagine that he would have a lot to say about where he would like to see Linux improve. Also, for such a lecture, I think I can get my future employer from Guru (www.guru.net) to give a lecture on why their startup chose Linux for the backend to their software which runs on Windows. I don't know how many is to many but it may be nice to have a few other examples of Startups and companies that chose Linux and why they did. Put all that together with an hour (or so) of Q'sA's and you have yourself a meeting. And, if there is anything left to say about the detailed and technical side of how Linux fits into the Mosix array, then that would make a good lecture for Barak to give all by itself. Also, I can give a lecture ( Going over the open() system call source code ). I am willing to come to HUJI ... Great, so there is another possible lecture... of course: if I know poeple will come. At this point I think it's somewhat important to hear from other capable lecturers that would be willing to prepare a 1 to 1+1/2 hour talk sometime in the future. Even if the stipulation for doing so is: if I know poeple will come. I also think it is important to find someone or a group of people within huji to take care of setting it up (contacting the lecturers, actually putting everything in motion, etc...). I'm more than willing to help out where I can (and I think others have expressed the same thing) but IMHO there really needs to be someone inside of huji to help make it all happen. - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HUJI - status
2) Someone(s) asking for the space in which to hold the meetings. this is the hard part, since all the LUG's people that have contact in HUJI seem to have vanished (shay, ariel, amos, marc, harvey). however, there might still be people on this list that have contact there (vadik might be handy here, if he's got the will, or perhaps someone else?). Well, Vadik is gone now as well (as of Dec.2). Though, he may still have inroads if he had the time to help. I don't believe I am the best person for this, but out of curiosity I may head over there next week to try to talk to some people I know and see what can be done about solving #2. I guess just to see if the doors are wide open or if it requires someone closer to huji to pry them open. however, lecturers should come from the list, ... List, SPEAK! And note: we could also probably recycle some material that comes from other lectures (i.e. Haifux's lectures slides are mostly available). the question is also - which audiance you're targeting. ... For the Intro to Linux lecture that I discussed... Those that work in the field and have already heard of Linux but need convincing (and more than just slogans and history of). "Field" could be anything from system administration to programming to internet development. Personally I would like to see such a lecture going to small businesses or startups which either use another platform or are in the process of deciding. So, there is one vague and one focused description of the audience I think this would appeal to. Either way, figuring this out should be low on the priority list. 3) Creating a line-up for the next few lectures and a list of possible people to give lectures and their titles. this is crucial for continuity. the best option is if someone's willing to work as the 'default route' when there are no other lecturers. For this to happen o the people capable of preparing a lecture would need to speak up o or, someone with connections to professors or professionals that are capable of preparing lectures (but that may not be on the list) would need to speak up. Getting a line-up of lectures would be important for a successful group. However, just getting the space would be enough to hold a simple opening/test lecture (eg. something like I discussed before). I'm for seeing both of these happen. However, considering the activity on the list from the Jerusalem people speaking up (or, lack thereof) I would say that there isn't much interest. This would really have to change. In any case, I will let the list know if anything interesting or productive comes from my snooping around cs.huji next week. - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HUJI - status
This issue may be dead. But I don't know if it should be or not (going to guess "not")... The problems I see for starting such on event are as follows (in order of difficulty): 1) Someone(s) getting the courage to go to the professors and/or "hackers" and begging them to give a lecture. 2) Someone(s) asking for the space in which to hold the meetings. 3) Creating a line-up for the next few lectures and a list of possible people to give lectures and their titles. 4) getting the word out. (anything to add?) When it comes to #4 you can call me your laggy (meaning, I'll print fliers and spread the word). For the rest, a few people should start looking into it, probably people from huji but it doesn't really matter. Just to throw out an idea... what about holding a "Intro to Linux" lecture. Something that cuts through the "World Domination" and Linux media slogan bs and strait to what makes Linux great, where it is lacking and what steps the development community are taking to change that. 1h lecture and 1h QA? Such a lecture would give those organizing it a chance to see how interested people really are and to get the jitters of organizing such an even out of their system. If someone in Jerusalem doesn't take the mic and say they will give such a lecture then I wonder if we could get some help from the Haifa group for this one lecture (as I believe after it is done people in Jerusalem will be more comfortable with the idea). I'd be willing to pay for the taxi ride to and from Jerusalem for this person. And, if someone is already making such efforts please keep the list posted as much as possible. Thanks - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Haofa Linux Club - the 12/12 Meeting
i would love to come if only i had how to get there. any jerusalem people with a car attending? sorry to be a parot but... same here. I would love to make it to these lectures and I'm considering shluping 4 hours to get there and back by bus. But, if someone is going by car, please let me know. Maybe we can work something out. What happened to the two lectures on socket programming? l8r - Nathan = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Installfest
- advertisement, advertisement, make the event look larger - people should bring other distros - Debian and/or OpenLinux - Quake, anyone? Heard Wine can run Diablo - anyone wish to demonstrate ? - err, any demo-sceners around here? - And please, more O'Reilly books. Someone said there were going to be O'Reilly books and that was the #1 reason I, personally, went. I brought with me a ton of cash to buy some OR books and I only found two. One I already had and the other I had no need for. Take Heed! There are two keys to every party, Music and Food. However, when it comes to geeks books are preferred over food! One last thing. As I was leaving I saw someone installing Win2k on one of machines. Umm, maybe next time we should have a long rope and a big tree on hand for just such an occasion :) j/k See you in Haifa then - Nathan Fain (cyphunk) ICQ: 453638 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux 4 Windows ?!
As Ilya Konstantinov pointed it, this is nothing new. The purpose, imo, of the WinLinux distribution is it's ease of installation. For the time being, one of the scariest things that a new wannabee Linux user run's into first is the Installation. Correct, they could install one of the other distributions that do the same thing as WinLinux (coincide with windows) but they must overcome the hurdle of grabbing the howto or readme and actually READING and understanding it. It's a big turnoff when someone hears that they have to read 20+ pages to install, and may have to read it three times to really understand it. "Oh but wait, there is more". After you get the basic installation you have a few more tutorials and documents to read to setup your modem, sound card and any special devices. All this for $40 and no Jinsu knife included. Tell a new wannabee user this and the task if installing will jump to the bottom of their To-Do's list. For many, I imagine everyone on this list, this is not a problem because most enjoy details. But for my mother or even friends that think linux *groovy* WinLinux is a great introduction without the head ache. So, my over inflated .2c would be: This software is not for everyone. Not for the people that already know their way around Linux. WinLinux is for the computer users that find Linux interesting and want see what it *feels* like before investing their time into it. Also for the users that aren't interested in learning details or investing time but want to use Linux on their system. IMHO, ease of installation is at least 50% of the key to the desktop market. I've seen allot of people bashing WinLinux-like distributions but such software is a necessity for the linux community to grow. The WinLinux should send home a important message: Use any existing resources that you can find to make the installation easier ".". Stay proprotary... - Nathan Fain ICQ: 453638 Mike ALmogy wrote: Any Request for Comments ? http://www.winlinux.net/ Mike -- Michael Almogy. System Administrator Mofet Institute. Cel : 972-052-562237 Tel : 972-03-6901415 Fax : 972-03-6901414 = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
