Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:50AM +0200, Ori Idan wrote: Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. Someone gave me an Intel modem clone. It sat in junk box until I broke down and installed a UPS, which took over the only serial port I had on that computer. There is ALWAYS a way to free the serial port when you use a PCI modem. Usually using setserial and/or some proprietary setup program from the manufacturer. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:50AM +0200, Ori Idan wrote: Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. Someone gave me an Intel modem clone. It sat in junk box until I broke down and installed a UPS, which took over the only serial port I had on that computer. I stuck the modem in, and obviously it did not work. A quick web search pointed to a driver written by someone on this list, hosted in Israel. A quick download, make and install, and it was working. Good job! Nice story. That's the modem I want :-) No, you want one that works without a driver. Like USR Sportster internal and such. But an external modem is always better ime. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Peter wrote: On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:50AM +0200, Ori Idan wrote: Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. Someone gave me an Intel modem clone. It sat in junk box until I broke down and installed a UPS, which took over the only serial port I had on that computer. I stuck the modem in, and obviously it did not work. A quick web search pointed to a driver written by someone on this list, hosted in Israel. A quick download, make and install, and it was working. Good job! Nice story. That's the modem I want :-) No, you want one that works without a driver. Like USR Sportster internal and such. But an external modem is always better ime. How many of those passed through my hands and into the junkyard fifteen or so years agoI should have hung on to one. It never occurred to me that I'd ever need to go back to analog modems. My parents are the only ones I know still on dialup, now that we finally convinced my in-laws to go DSL. Perhaps I should try wireless and see if anyone in their block has an open AP :-) (No, I wouldn't really do this) I will keep my eyes open for the USR Sportster internal. Available in PCI I hope and not just ISA? Thanks for the tip, Michael when i bought a PC (in 2002), it came with a rockwell-based modem. as far as i remember, there was no problem using it under a then-current linux kernel - i.e. the driver was open-sourced and added into the standard kernel. assuming no one develops new modems any longer (what for? 3rd-world countries?), it's likely the same chips are used, and hence - the same drivers. since the rockwell chips were very common - many winmodems are supported under linux. i think that a simple 'lspci' will tell you what chip your modem is based on. -- guy For world domination - press 1, or dial 0, and please hold, for the creator. -- nob o. dy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will keep my eyes open for the USR Sportster internal. Available in PCI I hope and not just ISA? PCI internal, and needs no funny setup programs (setserial is enough). There are also other good brands, using chipsets from Rockwell and Lucent. But if you are on a budget, go to a local computer shop and ask around for an external modem. They will likely have one. Be sure to check it (make them let you return it if it does not work). Also make sure your parents undestand that it will be both slow and occupy the phone line. Nowadays a standard Askey USB modem will do DSL nicely without many wires. The price of low end DSL in this country is really low, something like NIS 90 total per month (maximum) will get you DSL+ISP. If you buy a modem now figure at least NIS 20/month added to dialup internet cost for the following few months. Is it worth it ? Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, guy keren wrote: assuming no one develops new modems any longer (what for? 3rd-world countries?), it's likely the same chips are used, and hence - the same Right, this is way up there with '640k RAM should be enough for everyone'. Rest assured that there are, and will be modems for non-PC use for a LONG LONG time. And they were around before the PC. Most of them are not super fast (56k) but there are certain things that just won't work without them. drivers. since the rockwell chips were very common - many winmodems are supported under linux. i think that a simple 'lspci' will tell you what chip your modem is based on. There are open source drivers for Lucent chipsets but you can never know before trying. There are subtle problems with hardware (esp. with laptops and no name cards). The best chances are with 'medium' price oem brand (i.e. made by someone who actually runs a factory) cards. Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
Peter wrote: On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, guy keren wrote: assuming no one develops new modems any longer (what for? 3rd-world countries?), it's likely the same chips are used, and hence - the same Right, this is way up there with '640k RAM should be enough for everyone'. Rest assured that there are, and will be modems for non-PC use for a LONG LONG time. And they were around before the PC. Most of them are not super fast (56k) but there are certain things that just won't work without them. i think you have misinterpreted what i wrote. i did not say they are not in use. i said new ones are not developed. this is for the simple reason that the technology has got to its peak. thus, modems sold today probably use the same chips that were used on modems sold 4-5 years ago, and thus those would be likely to have drivers. --guy = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, guy keren wrote: i think you have misinterpreted what i wrote. i did not say they are not in use. i said new ones are not developed. this is for the simple reason that the technology has got to its peak. thus, modems sold today probably use the same chips that were used on modems sold 4-5 years ago, and thus those would be likely to have drivers. I agree. thanks, Peter = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
apparently you, too, misinterpreted what i wrote. i said develop new modems. i didn't say manufacture new modems. ah, well... --guy Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Guy, No argument with most of what you wrote, but: guy keren [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: assuming no one develops new modems any longer (what for? 3rd-world countries?), Well, let's see: 1) China + India + Indonesia + Brasil + Russia (just counting off the most populous countries, no offence if I missed your favorite) have about a half of the world's population and a good percentage of Internet users, and broadband is nowhere nearly as common in these countries as it is here. 2) In many advanced countries *lots* of people stick to dial-up for the simple reason that if you only do email and relatively light browsing the performance is just fine, and local phone calls are free. This is true for the US and Italy, just for example - countries where I have friends and acquaintances who cared to explain the situation to me. You are probably right that modem technology is not in for significant advances. It is still very, very common though. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
I will keep my eyes open for the USR Sportster internal. Available in PCI I hope and not just ISA? PCI internal, and needs no funny setup programs (setserial is enough). There are also other good brands, using chipsets from Rockwell and Lucent. But if you are on a budget, go to a local computer shop and ask around for an external modem. They will likely have one. Be sure to check it (make them let you return it if it does not work). Thanks for the tip. I prefer internal to save space. Also make sure your parents undestand that it will be both slow and occupy the phone line. They have this now. My goal is not to make drastic changes - just to swap out the horrible large old windows box. M = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 12:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I checked, and this was awhile ago, it was only possible to dial into Netvision with a (Windows) program provided by Netvision. I don't know that there ever was a time when this was correct. Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ And, once connected to Netvision, is it possible to access the Netvision email system, either with a standard email client The only non-standard email protocol in wide use these days is the Exchange-outlook microsoft MAPI protocol which is no being used by Netvision. So any email client found on Linux should do the trick. or a web email system? Check if the Netvision web-mail system can be accessed using Mozilla Firefox on MS-Windows. If that works (and I believe it will), then it will also work with Firefox on Linux, and possibly with other browsers. -- Oded ::.. Famous Last Words 051-They need a twenty to hit me, I'm invincible = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
ביום שני 05 פברואר 2007, 22:50, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel: Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ He is using dialup. goto http://linmodems.org and google for more information. Also subscribe to their list and ask for more help. This is one of the darker places in the FOS world - linmodems. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007, Oded Arbel wrote: On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 12:20 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last time I checked, and this was awhile ago, it was only possible to dial into Netvision with a (Windows) program provided by Netvision. I don't know that there ever was a time when this was correct. I may have been mis-informed, or I may have misunderstood. Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ Excellent. I'll read that. And, once connected to Netvision, is it possible to access the Netvision email system, either with a standard email client The only non-standard email protocol in wide use these days is the Exchange-outlook microsoft MAPI protocol which is no being used by Netvision. So any email client found on Linux should do the trick. So there is good hope. I personally use pine, and so have no experience with the GUI email clients. Does anyone have experience teaching non-technical people to use Thunderbird or Evolution? or any of the others? I've used Thunderbird a tiny bit and it seems reasonably easy to pick up. or a web email system? Check if the Netvision web-mail system can be accessed using Mozilla Firefox on MS-Windows. If that works (and I believe it will), then it will also work with Firefox on Linux, and possibly with other browsers. Excellent tip. I'll try this too. Michael = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On 06/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ביום שני 05 פברואר 2007, 22:50, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel: Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ He is using dialup. goto http://linmodems.org and google for more information. Also subscribe to their list and ask for more help. This is one of the darker places in the FOS world - linmodems. Isn't this only relevant for those ancient winmodem which were software-only built-in modems in laptops? (and even then, many of them worked with Linux thanks to sites like the one above). If he buys a desktop then he can get a simple AT-compliant PCI modem, shouldn't he? --Amos
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. -- Ori Idan On 2/6/07, Amos Shapira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ביום שני 05 פברואר 2007, 22:50, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel: Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ He is using dialup. goto http://linmodems.org and google for more information. Also subscribe to their list and ask for more help. This is one of the darker places in the FOS world - linmodems. Isn't this only relevant for those ancient winmodem which were software-only built-in modems in laptops? (and even then, many of them worked with Linux thanks to sites like the one above). If he buys a desktop then he can get a simple AT-compliant PCI modem, shouldn't he? --Amos
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Amos Shapira wrote: On 06/02/07, Diego Iastrubni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ×××× ×©× × 05 פ×ר××ר 2007, 22:50, × ××ª× ×¢× ××× Oded Arbel: Can this be done from Linux? http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/ He is using dialup. goto http://linmodems.org and google for more information. Also subscribe to their list and ask for more help. This is one of the darker places in the FOS world - linmodems. Isn't this only relevant for those ancient winmodem which were software-only built-in modems in laptops? (and even then, many of them worked with Linux thanks to sites like the one above). If he buys a desktop then he can get a simple AT-compliant PCI modem, shouldn't he? Yes, I intend to purchase an AT compliant PCI modem. I hope these are still made. Perhaps I should save one from an old junk machine (they seem to show up quite often). Thanks for reminding me that I should check for this. = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:50AM +0200, Ori Idan wrote: Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. Someone gave me an Intel modem clone. It sat in junk box until I broke down and installed a UPS, which took over the only serial port I had on that computer. I stuck the modem in, and obviously it did not work. A quick web search pointed to a driver written by someone on this list, hosted in Israel. A quick download, make and install, and it was working. Good job! Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] N3OWJ/4X1GM IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 Fax ONLY: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice: 1-215-821-1838 Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/ = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:38:50AM +0200, Ori Idan wrote: Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only. Someone gave me an Intel modem clone. It sat in junk box until I broke down and installed a UPS, which took over the only serial port I had on that computer. I stuck the modem in, and obviously it did not work. A quick web search pointed to a driver written by someone on this list, hosted in Israel. A quick download, make and install, and it was working. Good job! Nice story. That's the modem I want :-) Michael = To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word unsubscribe in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
