Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[John Rye]

On Sun, 01 Apr 2007 23:16:01 +1200
Chris Bayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The link is posted...

Thanks Chris, getting it now

John

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Chris Bayley]

The link is posted...


John Rye wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:49 +1300
> Chris Bayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Ok...
>>
>> Both John's exposition on the nature of linux and the audio transcript
>> of the evening are now available via the clug wiki
>> http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PreviousPresentations.
>> the audio is in ogg and weighs in at 12M for the 70min talk so should be
>> accessable for the majority of interested parties
>> I will link the point notes if they become available to me...
>> 
>
> Chris, the wiki is showing "link to come" for the audio, am I too late?
>
> John
>   

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[John Rye]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:15:49 +1300
Chris Bayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ok...
> 
> Both John's exposition on the nature of linux and the audio transcript
> of the evening are now available via the clug wiki
> http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PreviousPresentations.
> the audio is in ogg and weighs in at 12M for the 70min talk so should be
> accessable for the majority of interested parties
> I will link the point notes if they become available to me...

Chris, the wiki is showing "link to come" for the audio, am I too late?

John

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[dave]

Now this SHOULD be sent to bradford She'd have a fit!!

but i like it.  Just it another 5 years (maybe less and you'll not be able to 
joke like that).

dave.

On Thursday 15 March 2007 16:15, Chris Bayley wrote:
> Ok...
>
> Both John's exposition on the nature of linux and the audio transcript
> of the evening are now available via the clug wiki
> http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PreviousPresentations.
> the audio is in ogg and weighs in at 12M for the 70min talk so should be
> accessable for the majority of interested parties
> I will link the point notes if they become available to me...
>
> : )
>
> ChrisB

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Nick Rout]

On Thu, March 15, 2007 1:52 pm, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> On Thu 15 Mar 2007 10:50:33 NZDT +1300, Johnno wrote:
>
>> Or use ACC+ Format,
>
> Are good-quality open source coecs available for this?
>
> Volker

First of all I think Johnno is referring to aac+ not acc+.

Licensing for AAC is said to be as follows (by Wikipedia)

"In contrast with the MP3 format, which requires royalty payments on
distributed content, no licenses or payments are required to be able to
stream or distribute content in AAC format. [3] This reason alone makes
AAC a much more attractive format for distributing content, particularly
streaming content (such as Internet radio).

However, a patent license is required for all manufacturers or developers
of AAC codecs. [4] It is for this reason FOSS implementations such as FAAC
and FAAD are distributed in source form only, in order to avoid patent
infringement.

AAC requires a patent license, and thus uses proprietary technology. But
contrary to popular belief, it is not the property of a single company,
having been developed in a standards-making organization."


That quote gives you the name of the two packages that you can
alternatively use for AAC, and I believe that they cover AAC+ as well.

-- 
Nick Rout

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Volker Kuhlmann]

On Thu 15 Mar 2007 10:50:33 NZDT +1300, Johnno wrote:

> Or use ACC+ Format,

Are good-quality open source coecs available for this?

Volker

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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Andrew Errington]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:13, you wrote:
> Will yours do ogg?

No.

> What brand is yours?

Nokia.

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

Will yours do ogg?

What brand is yours?

Cheers Don

Andrew Errington wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:55, you wrote:

3gp format please.

Then it can be reviewed on any mobile phone.


Not mine, it can't.

A


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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Andrew Errington]

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:55, you wrote:
> 3gp format please.
>
> Then it can be reviewed on any mobile phone.

Not mine, it can't.

A

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

3gp format please.

Then it can be reviewed on any mobile phone.

Cheers Don

Jim Cheetham wrote:

I have an audio transcript of the evening with which I should do
something - a pod cast or similar ? or just an mp3 ? what would be most
consumable by the masses ?


Well, an Ogg format would be ideal for our pursuit of Open Standards of 
course.

Failing that, an mp3 file (probably with a very low bitrate; I doubt
the raw source is of studio quality) might be nice. People with
bandwidth limits might want to comment about hosting it, though - the
wiki particularly wouldn't be keen on seeing 100+ downloads of a 30MB
file ... Are there any audio hosting services like YouTube out there?

-jim


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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

I didn't miss understand it.

Simon Travaglia publishes BOFH on a bugger off type of licence.

Cheers Don

John Carter wrote:

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, John Carter wrote:


On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Rik Tindall wrote:


> John's html


John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, 
which he'd made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the 
option of whether it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just 
assume..?


Let me be polite and politic in this particular instance and say
"Creative Commons License"

Normally I would use my bugroff license. (Ask google)


Dang! Email drops human intent again. I just realized that can be read
very much the wrong way.

Explicitly, I'm _not_ telling anybody to bugroff. It's just that I
once created another variant of OSS license that has achieved a small
measure of 'net notoriety called the "Bugroff license".

In this instance, posting this particular material, I was thinking I
better, ah, use one of the more conventional Open licenses.


John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639
Tait ElectronicsFax   : (64)(3) 359 4632
PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Zealand


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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Johnno]

Or use ACC+ Format, you still get the quality of an mp3 file, but file size
is very very smaller than an mp3.


- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cheetham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING


> > I have an audio transcript of the evening with which I should do
> > something - a pod cast or similar ? or just an mp3 ? what would be most
> > consumable by the masses ?
>
> Well, an Ogg format would be ideal for our pursuit of Open Standards of
course.
> Failing that, an mp3 file (probably with a very low bitrate; I doubt
> the raw source is of studio quality) might be nice. People with
> bandwidth limits might want to comment about hosting it, though - the
> wiki particularly wouldn't be keen on seeing 100+ downloads of a 30MB
> file ... Are there any audio hosting services like YouTube out there?
>
> -jim

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Jim Cheetham]

I have an audio transcript of the evening with which I should do
something - a pod cast or similar ? or just an mp3 ? what would be most
consumable by the masses ?


Well, an Ogg format would be ideal for our pursuit of Open Standards of course.
Failing that, an mp3 file (probably with a very low bitrate; I doubt
the raw source is of studio quality) might be nice. People with
bandwidth limits might want to comment about hosting it, though - the
wiki particularly wouldn't be keen on seeing 100+ downloads of a 30MB
file ... Are there any audio hosting services like YouTube out there?

-jim

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Andrew Errington]

> Explicitly, I'm _not_ telling anybody to bugroff. It's just that I
> once created another variant of OSS license that has achieved a small
> measure of 'net notoriety called the "Bugroff license".

Was it soon followed by tBugroff and nBugroff (or, dare I say it, gBugroff)?

=;^)

A

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Rik Tindall]

John Carter wrote:


Normally I would use my bugroff license. (Ask google)


Explicitly, I'm _not_ telling anybody to bugroff. It's just that I
once created another variant of OSS license that has achieved a small
measure of 'net notoriety called the "Bugroff license".


This just gets better and better!..

At first google, no attribution for bugroff was discernible.

- gotta love freenix for the learning potential realised daily!!


In this instance, posting this particular material, I was thinking I
better, ah, use one of the more conventional Open licenses.


All is well in the "CLUG" world :)

Cheers
--
Rik

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[John Carter]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, John Carter wrote:


On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Rik Tindall wrote:


> John's html


John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, which he'd 
made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the option of 
whether it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just assume..?


Let me be polite and politic in this particular instance and say
"Creative Commons License"

Normally I would use my bugroff license. (Ask google)


Dang! Email drops human intent again. I just realized that can be read
very much the wrong way.

Explicitly, I'm _not_ telling anybody to bugroff. It's just that I
once created another variant of OSS license that has achieved a small
measure of 'net notoriety called the "Bugroff license".

In this instance, posting this particular material, I was thinking I
better, ah, use one of the more conventional Open licenses.


John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639
Tait ElectronicsFax   : (64)(3) 359 4632
PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Zealand

RE: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Brett Davidson]

I could host it. I have bandwidth (and disk) to spare at present.
I'd want to organise a subdomain off mine that it could live on but
otherwise that's fine by me.

Brett.


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Jim Cheetham
Sent: Thursday, 15 March 2007 8:51 a.m.
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

> I have an audio transcript of the evening with which I should do
> something - a pod cast or similar ? or just an mp3 ? what would be
most
> consumable by the masses ?

Well, an Ogg format would be ideal for our pursuit of Open Standards of
course.
Failing that, an mp3 file (probably with a very low bitrate; I doubt
the raw source is of studio quality) might be nice. People with
bandwidth limits might want to comment about hosting it, though - the
wiki particularly wouldn't be keen on seeing 100+ downloads of a 30MB
file ... Are there any audio hosting services like YouTube out there?

-jim

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Rik Tindall]

John Carter wrote:



> John's html


Let me be polite and politic in this particular instance and say
"Creative Commons License"

Normally I would use my bugroff license. (Ask google)


ROTFL :)

And another peal of applause for a fascinating, whimsical, and deeper 
glimpse into not-unix. Well up to the high standard of interest set by 
John last year.


Thanks,

Rik

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Chris Bayley]

John handed out some pages of google triggers, mine was pinched (such
was the demand for John's wisdom! ) but he may be so kind as to post
them to the list ?
He also had a rather nice exposition on 'what is Linux' designed for
corporates which he promised to post to the CLUG wiki.
I have an audio transcript of the evening with which I should do
something - a pod cast or similar ? or just an mp3 ? what would be most
consumable by the masses ?

Overall it was a most informative talk, and I for one would have been
very happy to listen to at least 15 mins of coverage on all of John 60
points! Alas there just ain't enough hours in the day to learn all that
one would!

Thanks very much John!!


Chris

Nick Rout wrote:
> I forgot the meeting was even on. Excuse my language, but BUGGER!
>
>
> On Wed, March 14, 2007 11:01 am, Don Gould wrote:
>   
>> Dear Mr Carter,
>>
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>> CLAP CLAP
>>
>> Some where in the fun, we forgot to thank Mr Carter "in the usual way".
>>
>> Thank you to everyone who contributed to a very interesting meeting!
>>
>> Cheers Don
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>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

Roy Britten wrote:

Agreed. Let's keep it all in one place as much as possible. If there's
insurmountable trouble wikifying the HTML John showed us yesterday
(unlikely) there is space available on horse.


I got the impression that John just didn't have the time to be stuffing 
about.


That's why I put my hand up.

My intention will be to put it in the wiki, on horse and hosted on my 
site as well so that it's in 'more' places rather than less.


Dispite what John says about the issues of last nights meeting, there 
was some fantastic content that the NZ community can benefit from.


Cheers Don

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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

Nick Rout wrote:


They should go on the wiki.

That point was discussed.

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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

In correct.  It was more than implied.

Rik Tindall wrote:

> John's html


John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, which 
he'd made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the option 
of whether it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just assume..?


hth


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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[John Carter]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Rik Tindall wrote:


> John's html


John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, which he'd 
made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the option of whether 
it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just assume..?


Let me be polite and politic in this particular instance and say
"Creative Commons License"

Normally I would use my bugroff license. (Ask google)



John Carter Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639
Tait ElectronicsFax   : (64)(3) 359 4632
PO Box 1645 ChristchurchEmail : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Zealand

vm & strace Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[John Carter]

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Don Gould wrote:



Nick Rout wrote:

I forgot the meeting was even on. Excuse my language, but BUGGER!


I will get John's html on line as fast as he sends it to me and I also took a 
bunch of snaps of the white board as he was schooling us all on how memory 
works under Linux.


Firstly thanks for the appreciation, it's more than I deserve given
my dual stuff ups of
  * not checking if there was a decent whiteboard
  * and if there was a "batteries included" distro available.

I should have known Christopher was the Gentoo guy on the list and
hence would have had a trimmed down and minimalist "just what he
needed" gentoo installation.

Sorry about that.

Anyway the core of the lesson is each process has its own Virtual
Address space.

Each Virtual Address space is mapped page by 4096 byte page to the
Physical address space via a page table. (There is some (very) fine
print on this, but the idea is basically sound)

Moving data around in those page tables is 4000 times lighter than the
moving actual memory and permits all kinds of very rapid and lightweight
monkey business.

This is the heart and core of much of what Unix is and does.

The other little illustration I wished to do but couldn't was
strace. (Christopher "emerge" strace Now! It is a very very Good and
handy tool)

# The # mark prefaces my comments
mkdir ~/a
cd ~/a
strace -v -s 1024 ls
# Somewhere in strace does a fork since execve replaces the programming running
# (strace) with "/bin/ls"
execve("/bin/ls", ["ls"], ["SSH_AGENT_PID=5354", "TERM=xterm", "SHELL=/bin/bash", "CVSROOT=:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/tui/REPOSITORY/SW", "GTK_RC_FILES=/etc/gtk/gtkrc:/home/johnc/.gtkrc-1.2-gnome2", "WINDOWID=37847065", "USER=johnc", 
"LS_COLORS=no=00:fi=00:di=01;34:ln=01;36:pi=40;33:so=01;35:do=01;35:bd=40;33;01:cd=40;33;01:or=40;31;01:su=37;41:sg=30;43:tw=30;42:ow=34;42:st=37;44:ex=01;32:*.tar=01;31:*.tgz=01;31:*.arj=01;31:*.taz=01;31:*.lzh=01;31:*.zip=01;31:*.z=01;31:*.Z=01;31:*.gz=01;31:*.bz2=01;31:*.deb=01;31:*.rpm=01;31:*.jar=01;31:*.jpg=01;35:*.jpeg=01;35:*.gif=01;35:*.bmp=01;35:*.pbm=01;35:*.pgm=01;35:*.ppm=01;35:*.tga=01;35:*.xbm=01;35:*.xpm=01;35:*.tif=01;35:*.tiff=01;35:*.png=01;35:*.mov=01;35:*.mpg=01;35:*.mpeg=01;35:*.avi=01;35:*.fli=01;35:*.gl=01;35:*.dl=01;35:*.xcf=01;35:*.xwd=01;35:*.flac=01;35:*.mp3=01;35:*.mpc=01;35:*.ogg=01;35:*.wav=01;35:",
 "ECOS_REPOSITORY=/opt/ecos/ecos-2.0/packages", "GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET=/tmp/keyring-9cByNf/socket", "SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/tmp/ssh-pUMlis5294/agent.5294", "SESSION_MANAGER=local/parore:/tmp/.ICE-unix/5294", "USERNAME=johnc", "DESKTOP_SESSION=gnome", 
"PATH=/opt/ecos/host_tools/libexec:/opt/xerces/xerces-2_5_0/bin:/usr/java/j2sdk1.4.2/bin:/opt/rtems/bin:/opt/ecos/gnutools/i386-elf/bin:/opt/ecos/ecos-2.0/tools/bin:/home/johnc/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games", "GDM_XSERVER_LOCATION=local", "PWD=/home/johnc/a", "LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8", "GDMSESSION=gnome", 
"HISTCONTROL=ignoredups", "HOME=/home/johnc", "SHLVL=1", "LANGUAGE=en_NZ:en", "GNOME_DESKTOP_SESSION_ID=Default", "LOGNAME=johnc", "DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:abstract=/tmp/dbus-D5UbcEkCGQ,guid=f542c94521586443bc8eef248c57c400", "LESSOPEN=| /usr/bin/lesspipe %s", "DISPLAY=:0.0", "LESSCLOSE=/usr/bin/lesspipe %s %s", 
"COLORTERM=gnome-terminal", "XAUTHORITY=/home/johnc/.Xauthority", "_=/usr/bin/strace", "OLDPWD=/home/johnc"]) = 0
# Where is the end of my virtual memory region?
brk(0)  = 0x805c000
access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

# Grow it by 8192 bytes for perhaps stack space?
mmap2(NULL, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0xb7fd
access("/etc/ld.so.preload", R_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

# Open's up file /etc/ld.so.cache,, returns fd 3
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)  = 3

# fstat 3 to get size st_size=72005
fstat64(3, {st_dev=makedev(8, 1), st_ino=1359619, st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, 
st_nlink=1, st_uid=0, st_gid=0, st_blksize=4096, st_blocks=152, st_size=72005, 
st_atime=2007/03/14-16:20:23, st_mtime=2007/03/13-10:45:40, 
st_ctime=2007/03/13-10:45:40}) = 0

# mmap 72005 bytes from fd 3 into VM. So effectively whole file is
# magically there if we need it when we need it and shared using
# exactly the same physical ram with every other process. (If and only
# if some process, any process, actually references it!)

mmap2(NULL, 72005, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0xb7fbe000

# Close fd 3, it's done it's job.
close(3)= 0

access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK)  = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

# Open up up librt, get fd 3 again...
open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/librt.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3

# Read in fist block (512 bytes), note ELF magic marker... Why the
#  read? I don't know

read(3, 
"\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\\35\0\0004\0\0\0\234r\0\0\0\0\0\0004\0
 \0\t\0(\0\37\0\36\0\6\0\0\0004\0\0\0004\0\0\

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Jim Cheetham]

On 14/03/07, Rik Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> > John's html

John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, which
he'd made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the option
of whether it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just assume..?


Thanks for that Rik. The wiki has an explicit license of CC By-SA 2.0
for all contributions, see
http://clug.net.nz/index.php/CLUGWebsiteLicense for more information.

-jim

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Rik Tindall]

> John's html


John never mentioned the licensing of his presentation material, which 
he'd made for other use(s). Isn't it fair to leave him with the option 
of whether it is 'free/open' or otherwise, rather than just assume..?


hth
--
Rik

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Roy Britten]

On 14/03/07, Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I will get John's html on line as fast as he sends it to me and I also
> took a bunch of snaps of the white board as he was schooling us all on
> how memory works under Linux.

They should go on the wiki.


Agreed. Let's keep it all in one place as much as possible. If there's
insurmountable trouble wikifying the HTML John showed us yesterday
(unlikely) there is space available on horse.

Roy.

Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, March 14, 2007 11:27 am, Don Gould wrote:
>
>
> Nick Rout wrote:
>> I forgot the meeting was even on. Excuse my language, but BUGGER!
>
> Yes it was your loss in a massive way.
>
> I can now say that I have a much better understanding of the way Linux
> programmers are thinking, to better understand the benefits.
>
> I will get John's html on line as fast as he sends it to me and I also
> took a bunch of snaps of the white board as he was schooling us all on
> how memory works under Linux.

They should go on the wiki.

>
> Cheers Don
> --
> Don Gould
> www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz - www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz -
> www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz -
> www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz -
> skype:ThinkDesignPrint?add - Good ideas:  www.solarking.co.nz
>
>


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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Don Gould]

Nick Rout wrote:

I forgot the meeting was even on. Excuse my language, but BUGGER!


Yes it was your loss in a massive way.

I can now say that I have a much better understanding of the way Linux 
programmers are thinking, to better understand the benefits.


I will get John's html on line as fast as he sends it to me and I also 
took a bunch of snaps of the white board as he was schooling us all on 
how memory works under Linux.


Cheers Don
--
Don Gould
www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz - www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz - 
www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz - 
www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz - 
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Re: LAST NIGHTS MEETING

[Nick Rout]

I forgot the meeting was even on. Excuse my language, but BUGGER!


On Wed, March 14, 2007 11:01 am, Don Gould wrote:
> Dear Mr Carter,
>
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP
> CLAP CLAP
>
> Some where in the fun, we forgot to thank Mr Carter "in the usual way".
>
> Thank you to everyone who contributed to a very interesting meeting!
>
> Cheers Don
> --
> Don Gould
> www.thinkdesignprint.co.nz - www.tcn.bowenvale.co.nz -
> www.bowenvale.co.nz - www.hearingbooks.co.nz - www.crra.org.nz -
> www.justhelicopters.co.nz - www.buxtonsquare.co.nz -
> skype:ThinkDesignPrint?add - Good ideas:  www.solarking.co.nz
>
>


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Re: Last nights meeting - Thanks Dale and Rik...

[Rik Tindall]

Glad the workshop was useful. - For the workshops & me too. Thanks.

Don Gould wrote:
Don't know about the rest of you but I found Dale's presentation on BSD 
very useful.


It highlighted a number of issues for me...

Wireless in the non-ms spear is simply not simple enough.  The fact that 
neither Nick or I could quickly connect to anything is an issue.


Regardless of OS it was clear that setting up an ad-hoc network is 
complex and the tools simply don't work as expected.


That much was proven, by achieving no connectivity from either Ubuntu or 
FreeBSD - due to insufficient time more than anything. But the interest 
level has determined perseverence.


Why the lack of success?

My assumption - having quickly and easily established a wireless local 
p2p network on the same laptop hardware on to a very similar laptop, 
using WinXP - that the same would be doable in good time using current 
nix. Mostly a matter of learning how, as I see it, so I'll continue 
exploring over the next month and present any successful result. Could 
it be that purchasing a wireless access point like Don's makes the 
networking easier? Which unit is recommended if so?


What the workshop confirmed was at least threefold:

a) The wireless skills and hardware are too patchily held in our G/LUGs 
to yet make adequate use of this winning technology. And progress at 
that level is crucial in advancing Don's Community ISP Mirror Project.


b) Wireless workshops provide an exercise base of adequate interest for 
both newbies and old hands alike.


c) Once solved, wireless connectivity will add value to our G/LUG 
meetings, from enhanced activity and resourcing. We should, through a 
bit more training etc, get to the point where a few eager people can get 
the network up in 5-10 mins before the start of every meeting. That is, 
it presents a challenge we can usefully overcome. Incrementally, the 
skills around using the wireless network would start being distributed 
throughout the G/LUG.


d) ...

It was interesting to see the the BSD camp consider a wifi card nothing 
more than another ip device so it's completely integrated into 
ipconfig.  I am perplexed about why linux requires a whole new subset of 
tools just to configure a wifi card.  Thou I'm sure that in later 
versions of linux we're going to see the iw range of tools integrated 
into ifconfig to reduce confusion.


I thought the oo style of configuration was quite clean and useful.  I 
know that this is also done in linux, just in a different way, thou Dale 
did send me off to do some thinking last night.


Building a turnkey solution for service delivery is a complex task and 
what seems clear to me is that it doesn't get any less complex by 
changing OS.  The good news seems to be that mirroring efforts on a BSD 
platform isn't going to be that complex once we have the basic tools 
running properly.


Again, thanks Dale for taking the time to present something new and 
different to us.


Cheers Don


Am CC-ing this to GNUz list, where Dale resides:
http://lists.ourshack.com/mailman/listinfo/gnuz

A good night all round, I thought.

Cheers for everyone's input,
--
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Ubuntu GNU/Linux 5.10 freeOS, 2.6.12-10-686 kernel, GNOME 2.12.1 desktop
OpenOffice.org 1.9.129 suite, Mozilla 1.7.13 browser + Firefox 1.0.8
Thunderbird 1.0.7 email, Gedit 2.12.1 web editor, gFTP 2.0.18 file xfer

Re: Last nights meeting - Thanks Dale and Rik...

[Don Gould]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


...is it logical to change the transmit power on a gigabit connection?

 


We're not talking about logic here.  We're talking about conveniance.

Cheers Don

Re: Last nights meeting - Thanks Dale and Rik...

[Nick Rout]

On Fri, 05 May 2006 13:15:17 +1200
Don Gould wrote:

> Don't know about the rest of you but I found Dale's presentation on BSD 
> very useful.
> 
> It highlighted a number of issues for me...
> 
> Wireless in the non-ms spear is simply not simple enough.  The fact that 
> neither Nick or I could quickly connect to anything is an issue.

I was easily able to associate with your access point, but getting an ip
address when you had turned off dhcp was an issue. adhoc is fine if you
want a point to point transmission, but its hard to see the point
most of the time.

> 
> Regardless of OS it was clear that setting up an ad-hoc network is 
> complex and the tools simply don't work as expected.

And its not the way it is really supposed to work anyway. Thats why they make 
access points, and cards that are capable of acting as access
points.

> 
> It was interesting to see the the BSD camp consider a wifi card nothing 
> more than another ip device so it's completely integrated into 
> ipconfig. 

ipconfig is a windows program, I think you mean ifconfig

> I am perplexed about why linux requires a whole new subset of 
> tools just to configure a wifi card.  Thou I'm sure that in later 
> versions of linux we're going to see the iw range of tools integrated 
> into ifconfig to reduce confusion.

see Neil's answer, and consider that it doesn't matter if the command is
called ifconfig, iwconfig, or brian. What is really important is that it
is well documented and that it stays consistent across versions.
Otherwise your carefully crafted scripts break.

You could write a tool right now that mimics the BSD ifconfig and calls
both the native ifconfig and the native iwconfig as needed. 


> 
> I thought the oo style of configuration was quite clean and useful.  I 
> know that this is also done in linux, just in a different way, thou Dale 
> did send me off to do some thinking last night.
> 
> Building a turnkey solution for service delivery is a complex task and 
> what seems clear to me is that it doesn't get any less complex by 
> changing OS.  The good news seems to be that mirroring efforts on a BSD 
> platform isn't going to be that complex once we have the basic tools 
> running properly.
> 

What basic tools are you referring to? Wireless ones? Theres plenty of
good tools out there. Try pebble for a start, and there are a couple of
variants on it.


> Again, thanks Dale for taking the time to present something new and 
> different to us.
> 

Yes it was great to be refreshed on FreeBSD. It is looking just fine. I
am itching to install and play. My laptop has a fairly fresh install and
not much data. It might get the BSD treatment. I'll have to check out
the wireless chipset compatibility.
-- 
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Last nights meeting - Thanks Dale and Rik...

[Steve Holdoway]

On Fri, 05 May 2006 13:15:17 +1200
Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


[snip]
> ipconfig.  I am perplexed about why linux requires a whole new subset of 
> tools just to configure a wifi card.  Thou I'm sure that in later 
> versions of linux we're going to see the iw range of tools integrated 
> into ifconfig to reduce confusion.

[snip]
...is it logical to change the transmit power on a gigabit connection?

As for their future under linux, this may be an interesting development...
http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/software/story/0,10801,20,00.html

Steve

Re: Last nights meeting - Thanks Dale and Rik...

[Neil Stockbridge]

On Fri, 2006-05-05 at 13:15 +1200, Don Gould wrote:
> It was interesting to see the the BSD camp consider a wifi card nothing 
> more than another ip device so it's completely integrated into 
> ipconfig.  I am perplexed about why linux requires a whole new subset of 
> tools just to configure a wifi card.  Thou I'm sure that in later 
> versions of linux we're going to see the iw range of tools integrated 
> into ifconfig to reduce confusion.

google said this first about "OSI levels":

  http://computer.howstuffworks.com/osi1.htm

when a cable is plugged into an network ethernet adapter and also into a
hub, this is part of the physical layer (OSI layer 1).

the air is obviously very different from a cable in that signals radiate
in all directions instead of only down the cable.  with eleven (or so)
different radio frequencies, the air is divided into as many different
"channels" that don't interfere with each other, just as cables side by
side but not connected to the same network don't interfere with each
other much.  this is OSI layer 1 for wireless networking.

"iwconfig" configures the radio inside the wireless network card so it's
concerned with OSI layer 1.

TCP/IP (the stuff that "ifconfig" is concerned with) is related to OSI
layers 2, 3 and 4, so i guess that's why the tools are separate, not
that i'm advocating one approach or another.

- neil

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Anthony Hart]

--- Chris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> 
> "eth1"?
> Do you have 2 network cards in this machine? It
> should be "eth0" if there is 
> just one card.
> 
> -- 
> :D
>

Yes I have 2 cards - "eth0" is connected to a LAN, and
"eth1" the cable modem.

Tony   


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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Nick Rout]

On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:30:32 +1300
Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> "eth1"?
> Do you have 2 network cards in this machine? It should be "eth0" if there is 
> just one card.

there were two ethernet devices. 

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Chris]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 17:53, Anthony Hart wrote:
> --- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:01 +1300 (NZDT)
> >
> > Anthony Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> I found an old xorg.conf file, copied everything as
> suggested and, in brief, X started when I rebooted.
>
> The earliest old config file (dated 15/2/06) was the
> one set up by Steve - I can tell because the icons on
> the display are larger than the original version.
>
> It is basically OK except that I get a "Device not
> found" on the Internet connection (eth1).   I checked
> the cabling and also the configuration in the Mandriva
> control panel and while everything looks fine it no
> longer works.   The "connect" button on the
> configurator did not help either.   Should I delete
> and reconfigure the ethernet cable modem connection?



"eth1"?
Do you have 2 network cards in this machine? It should be "eth0" if there is 
just one card.

-- 
:D

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Anthony Hart]

--- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:01 +1300 (NZDT)
> Anthony Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone who responded.

I found an old xorg.conf file, copied everything as
suggested and, in brief, X started when I rebooted.

The earliest old config file (dated 15/2/06) was the
one set up by Steve - I can tell because the icons on
the display are larger than the original version.

It is basically OK except that I get a "Device not
found" on the Internet connection (eth1).   I checked
the cabling and also the configuration in the Mandriva
control panel and while everything looks fine it no
longer works.   The "connect" button on the
configurator did not help either.   Should I delete
and reconfigure the ethernet cable modem connection?



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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Christopher Sawtell]

On Thursday 16 February 2006 10:30, Anthony Hart wrote:
> Please bear in mind, too, that with no Linux Internet
> connection it will be difficult for me to post
> diagnostics.

Another quick way to get under way which is sometimes very effective is to 
boot your machine using one of the so-called liveCDs and pinch the 
xorg.conf file which it generates and copy it to the hard disk.

-- 
CS

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Anthony Hart]

--- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:01 +1300 (NZDT)
> Anthony Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > H
> > 
> > Thanks to everyone who responded.   
> > The original problem was that the boot process
> hung
> > unless the ethernet card was connected to the
> cable
> > modem.   Rik's opinion was that the system was
> waiting
> > for the current time to be obtained from the
> Internet
> > and Nick disabled the relevant script.  
> > 
> >
Nick's patch seemed to have fixed the original problem
 but the system hung (mouse and kbd inoperative) while
trying to get the microphone working. 

> 1st thing to do after that is try and get the X
> configuration restored.
> on the command line go to /etc/X11 and see what
> files are there:
> 
> cd /etc/X11

Unfortunately I am now out for most of the rest of the
day and also this evening.   If I can I will have
another look at it later this afternoon and check out
Nick's (incl Steve's mod) suggestions, which seem to
be the consensus, and let you know how I get on.

Please bear in mind, too, that with no Linux Internet
connection it will be difficult for me to post
diagnostics.

Cheers

Tony 





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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Steve Holdoway]

On Thu, February 16, 2006 7:31 am, Nick Rout wrote:
In the hope of making these suggestions more generic...
>
> The tea is a sound proposition, as is lying down. Kicking the computer
> has enormous theraputic value.
>
> 1st thing to do after that is try and get the X configuration restored.
> on the command line go to /etc/X11 and see what files are there:
>
> cd /etc/X11
> ls -la
>
> you should see a bunch of files, the ones you are interested in are
> named xorg.conf and variations on that. Programs that change that file
> have hopefully renamed the old version to something like xorg.conf.old
> or xorg.conf~ or xorg.conf.bkup. The time/date of the files will help
> you tell what is what. If you find one that you think was replaced on
> Tuesday night, revert it by renaming the existing conf file to
> something that doesn't already exist and then rename the backed uup
> file to xorg.conf, viz:
>
> (you will need to be the root user to do this)
>
> mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.this.was.made.at.clug (backing up the tuesday
> one)
>
> mv xorg.conf.bkup xorg.conf   (the first name will depend on what ls -l
> found)
I'd copy it, not move it. That way when you mv something on top of
xorg.conf/XF86Config-4, you still have the old working copy.
>
> you should now be able to start X, as follows (again as the root user):
>
> telinit 3
> telinit 5
Unfortunately some linuxes (linii) like debian abuse the run levels as
they were originally intended. startx usually works, and the alternative 3
fingered salute ( CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE ) will shut X down if successful.
>
> If, on the other hand, you cannot find a backed up xorg.conf file you
> are a little further up the creek, but there are still paddles floating
> around in your system. I believe mandriva's X configuration utility is
> called drakx. Try running that from the command line (again as root).
(I asked for the original info in the hope of remotely generating it)
>
> Or alternatively you could post what is currently in xorg.conf
THat might be safer!
>
> Or give me a call at work on 3798966 and I'll see if we can arrange a
> time to come around and kick it together :-)
>
Cheers,

Steve

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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Jim Cheetham]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2006 at 11:57:01PM +1300, Anthony Hart wrote:
> The original problem was that the boot process hung
> unless the ethernet card was connected to the cable
> modem.   Rik's opinion was that the system was waiting
> for the current time to be obtained from the Internet
> and Nick disabled the relevant script.  

Well, did that help? Or, more realistically, did that change the details
of the problem? :-)

The other possibility is that your X server is trying to offer XDMCP
logins, which happen over the network, and was getting confused if your
network interface was configured, but down (down by virtue of the fact
that the cable model only provided a link if it was switched on)

Which still isn't supposed to happen, but I guess it's a possibility.

-jim

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:57:01 +1300 (NZDT)
Anthony Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> H
> 
> Thanks to everyone who responded.   The experts do not
> seem to be entirely in agreement.   I should explain
> that my knowledge of command line commands is sketchy
> at best.   Here is what I propose to do.  I will have
> a strong cup of tea and a lie down - but first try to
> answer some of the questions that have been posed. 
> Later I will have a go at following Christopher's
> suggestions.   (Hells bells I can always reinstall if
> it all turns to custard).   Have been programming
> computers since 1967 so am a bit of a pragmatist.
> 
> Steve:
> 3. Monitor is a Viewsonic VE710s
> 4. Linux distro is Mandriva LE 2005 version 10.2 I
> think
> 
> Chris:
> Reference was made in the messages to /log/Xorg.0.log
> but did not know enough about command syntax to find
> and display the file
> 
> All:
> The original problem was that the boot process hung
> unless the ethernet card was connected to the cable
> modem.   Rik's opinion was that the system was waiting
> for the current time to be obtained from the Internet
> and Nick disabled the relevant script.  
> 
> 
> Nick: have just seen your latest - would you go along 
> with my proposed solution?

The tea is a sound proposition, as is lying down. Kicking the computer
has enormous theraputic value. 

1st thing to do after that is try and get the X configuration restored.
on the command line go to /etc/X11 and see what files are there:

cd /etc/X11
ls -la

you should see a bunch of files, the ones you are interested in are
named xorg.conf and variations on that. Programs that change that file
have hopefully renamed the old version to something like xorg.conf.old
or xorg.conf~ or xorg.conf.bkup. The time/date of the files will help
you tell what is what. If you find one that you think was replaced on
Tuesday night, revert it by renaming the existing conf file to
something that doesn't already exist and then rename the backed uup
file to xorg.conf, viz:

(you will need to be the root user to do this)

mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.this.was.made.at.clug (backing up the tuesday
one)

mv xorg.conf.bkup xorg.conf   (the first name will depend on what ls -l
found)

you should now be able to start X, as follows (again as the root user):

telinit 3
telinit 5

If, on the other hand, you cannot find a backed up xorg.conf file you
are a little further up the creek, but there are still paddles floating
around in your system. I believe mandriva's X configuration utility is
called drakx. Try running that from the command line (again as root).

Or alternatively you could post what is currently in xorg.conf

Or give me a call at work on 3798966 and I'll see if we can arrange a
time to come around and kick it together :-)

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Christopher Sawtell]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 23:57, Anthony Hart wrote:
> H
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.   The experts do not
> seem to be entirely in agreement.   I should explain
> that my knowledge of command line commands is sketchy
> at best.
Turn up to the CLUG meeting on 14 March 19:30 sharp!

> Here is what I propose to do.  I will have 
> a strong cup of tea and a lie down - but first try to
> answer some of the questions that have been posed.
> Later I will have a go at following Christopher's
> suggestions.   (Hells bells I can always reinstall if
> it all turns to custard).   Have been programming
> computers since 1967 so am a bit of a pragmatist.
>
> Steve:
> 3. Monitor is a Viewsonic VE710s
> 4. Linux distro is Mandriva LE 2005 version 10.2 I
> think
>
> Chris:
> Reference was made in the messages to /log/Xorg.0.log
> but did not know enough about command syntax to find
> and display the file
less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
press q to exit.

> All:
> The original problem was that the boot process hung
> unless the ethernet card was connected to the cable
> modem.   Rik's opinion was that the system was waiting
> for the current time to be obtained from the Internet
> and Nick disabled the relevant script.

That is quite possibly correct. Was the machine connected to the net when 
you installed Mand.? Making an automatic call to a time server if the 
install can find one is just the sort of silliness Mand. would get up to.
I'd suggest that you make sure the machine is disconnected from the 'Net if 
you do infact end up re-installing.

Before you leap into a re-install you might save yourself a lot of time by 
restoring from the backup of the xorg.conf file which many editors and 
config tools are kind enough to make for you.
 
> Nick: have just seen your latest - would you go along
> with my proposed solution?
>
> Cheers
>
> Tony
>
> --- Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 15 February 2006 19:05, Rik Tindall
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?
> > >
> > > NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.
> >
> > Absolutely _NOT_!
> > The quickest way to set up any Linux component is to
> > just set it up, not to
> > re-install the whole shooting match.
>
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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Anthony Hart]

H

Thanks to everyone who responded.   The experts do not
seem to be entirely in agreement.   I should explain
that my knowledge of command line commands is sketchy
at best.   Here is what I propose to do.  I will have
a strong cup of tea and a lie down - but first try to
answer some of the questions that have been posed. 
Later I will have a go at following Christopher's
suggestions.   (Hells bells I can always reinstall if
it all turns to custard).   Have been programming
computers since 1967 so am a bit of a pragmatist.

Steve:
3. Monitor is a Viewsonic VE710s
4. Linux distro is Mandriva LE 2005 version 10.2 I
think

Chris:
Reference was made in the messages to /log/Xorg.0.log
but did not know enough about command syntax to find
and display the file

All:
The original problem was that the boot process hung
unless the ethernet card was connected to the cable
modem.   Rik's opinion was that the system was waiting
for the current time to be obtained from the Internet
and Nick disabled the relevant script.  


Nick: have just seen your latest - would you go along 
with my proposed solution?

Cheers

Tony 
   
--- Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 19:05, Rik Tindall
> wrote:
> > > Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?
> >
> > NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.
> Absolutely _NOT_!
> The quickest way to set up any Linux component is to
> just set it up, not to 
> re-install the whole shooting match.
> 
>



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Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Nick Rout]

Chris, and Don and anyone else who has f**ked with, or is tempted to
f**k with Tony's X configuration: THAT WAS NOT THE PROBLEM!!

Tony had a problem where his machine would boot to X dependent on
whether certain network cards had IP connectivity on boot.

If we plugged both cards into a dhcp server then it would boot into X,
if not it would freeze up/hang at the point of switching to X. Quite
likely some service that ran just before X was taking forever to time
out. I doubt that reconfiguring X was ever going to solve it and it
looks Don like your attempts have screwed the X configuration, as he
now has a completely different error.



On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:53:28 +1300
Christopher Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 15 February 2006 19:05, Rik Tindall wrote:
> > > Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?
> >
> > NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.
> Absolutely _NOT_!
> The quickest way to set up any Linux component is to just set it up, not to 
> re-install the whole shooting match.
> 
> In the case of the X server it is self configuring so it's a piece of cake.
> Log in as root without starting the X-11 server. Put nox on the boot up 
> line as an option. You can edit the line if you are using Grub.
> 
> From a Virtual Terminal ( i.e. without the X server running ) running as 
> root simply say:-
> 
> # X -configure
> 
> This will write a sample configure file to the /root directory, and tell 
> you how to start X using the new config file's name. To test the server, 
> run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'
> 
> So do as you are told:
> 
> # X -config /root/xorg.conf.new
> 
> The X server will start and show the stippled grey background, or crash 
> with a very relevant message to the screen and a full log 
> in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
> 
> Some distributions put a somewhat documented example file 
> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example
> 
> For the whole story consult the manual pages.
> 
> $ man 5 xorg.conf
> $ man X
> 
> For nicely printed very comprehensive manual pages:-
> 
> $ man -t X > X.ps
> $ gv X.ps
> $ man 5 -t xorg.conf > xorg.conf.ps
> $ gv xorg.conf.ps
> 
> For the total story consult the X-11 server's web site home page and wiki.
> 
> http://www.x.org/
> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/
> 
> For this particular problem the log file is telling the truth.
> Check out the config file section, and make sure the Monitor section is 
> correct.
> 
> Section "Screen"
> Device  "Card0"
> Monitor "Monitor0"
> Identifier  "Screen0"
> 
> -- 
> CS

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Christopher Sawtell]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 19:05, Rik Tindall wrote:
> > Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?
>
> NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.
Absolutely _NOT_!
The quickest way to set up any Linux component is to just set it up, not to 
re-install the whole shooting match.

In the case of the X server it is self configuring so it's a piece of cake.
Log in as root without starting the X-11 server. Put nox on the boot up 
line as an option. You can edit the line if you are using Grub.

From a Virtual Terminal ( i.e. without the X server running ) running as 
root simply say:-

# X -configure

This will write a sample configure file to the /root directory, and tell 
you how to start X using the new config file's name. To test the server, 
run 'X -config /root/xorg.conf.new'

So do as you are told:

# X -config /root/xorg.conf.new

The X server will start and show the stippled grey background, or crash 
with a very relevant message to the screen and a full log 
in /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Some distributions put a somewhat documented example file 
in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.example

For the whole story consult the manual pages.

$ man 5 xorg.conf
$ man X

For nicely printed very comprehensive manual pages:-

$ man -t X > X.ps
$ gv X.ps
$ man 5 -t xorg.conf > xorg.conf.ps
$ gv xorg.conf.ps

For the total story consult the X-11 server's web site home page and wiki.

http://www.x.org/
http://wiki.x.org/wiki/

For this particular problem the log file is telling the truth.
Check out the config file section, and make sure the Monitor section is 
correct.

Section "Screen"
Device  "Card0"
Monitor "Monitor0"
Identifier  "Screen0"

-- 
CS

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Don Gould]

I had a hand in that... here's what I recall.

Last night we ran xorgconfig.

I forget if we set the monitor to auto detect.

We were able to log in from safe mode then run xstart and x did boot up.

Are you using the same monitor as you were last night?

Rik what did you think was locking it up?  I agree that it did seem to
run past everything ok then just fail on xstart up.

Cheers Don


On Wed, 2006-02-15 at 16:43, Anthony Hart wrote:
> Do I have a lingering problem from last night for
> you?
> 
> I brought my (mostly working) PC to last nights
> meeting but on attempting to fire up Linux this
> morning X will no longer initialize.   Startx now
> gives the following messages:
> 
> Undefined Monitor "monitor" referenced by Screen
> "Screen 1"
> Error parsing the config file
> 
> Fatal Server error
> no screens found
> XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer on X
> server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed)
> with 0 events remaining.
> 
> There was a screen full of messsages but the above
> looked to me to be the most significant.  
>  
> After some mucking about in bash I thought I would
> perform a upgrade install of Mandriva.   This seems to
> have made matters somewhat worse giving rise to the
> above error messages.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Should I go for a full install or
> perhaps keep my sticky fingers off the keyboard and
> flag Linux away until the next CLUG meeting?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tony Hart
> 
> WARNING.   Yahoo does not accept a blank return
> address
> 
> --- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to Chris & Zane for the talks on
> > LinuxConfAustraliaDunedin
> > 
> > Good discussion about future events. 
> > 
> > Resolved (I think)
> > 
> > 1. Have a half hour session on a beginners topic, eg
> > a section from the
> > LPI certification programme at each meeting - Chris
> > S to present and
> > co-ordinate other presenters for this slot . Distro
> > neutral and command
> > line oriented, but for beginners.
> > 
> > 2. An installfest, with an "expo" flavour, to be
> > held in conjunction
> > with Software Freedom Day in September. Needs:
> > 
> > - sponsorship
> > - money
> > - publicity
> > - a co-ordinator !
> > 
> > 3. Future "feature" talks (ie in addition to the
> > half hour tutorial) 
> > 
> > - the Koha developer - possibly invite school
> > principals/librarians
> > - Linux video/media - me :-(   
> > - a seminar in "how linux is used in my
> > business/workplace" - possibly
> > invite members of NZ Computer Soc to attend, need a
> > list of willing
> > speakers.
> > - more integration with industry groups and other
> > computer (non linux
> > specific) groups
> > 
> > Theres probably some other suggestions I have
> > forgotten, but the above,
> > i think, covers most of what we talked about.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com
-- 
Don Gould

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Steve Holdoway]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:05:29 +1300
Rik Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Steve Holdoway wrote:
> 
> > Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?
> 
> NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.
> 
> - Based on viewing some of the work done last nite,
> + Tony's expressed desire to reinstall.
> 
> hth, R
Sorry to globally judge, but couldn't make it last night so missed info you had 
to hand. I just want people to look at the problem and try to fix it, rather 
than give up and start again - that's what I see as the M$ way. My experiences 
coming to the fore, that's all - certainly nothing personal! I know that ATI do 
support their hardware well, even if they  don't let the rest of the world see 
how they do it. It looks like the rebuild option means a major leap in the 
development cycle - if it's not been used in anger, then get right up to date 
and start again!

I've just had the misfortune to have to support XP 64 bit for the first time. 
If you remember supporting windows 3.10 on anything but mainstream hardware, 
then you know exactly what that was like. 

But we went back to Nvidia and ATI to get real drivers, unlike the support CD's 
that came with the cards and motherboards ( they just plain lied ), and that's 
running well, too. The company MCP threw his hands up in disgust and went back 
to his old machine, so I got a new dual boot PC out of it. Just as well, given 
the case I acidentally got for it (:

Having done all this first hand, and knowing that the current ATI drivers are 
sooo much better than those from the end of last year ( just get the kernel 
source installed ), I recommend that you talk to ATI and get this weeks drivers!

My $0.02,

Steve

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Rik Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?


NO. Time-use: quickest route to GO.

- Based on viewing some of the work done last nite,
+ Tony's expressed desire to reinstall.

hth, R

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Steve Holdoway]

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:53 +1300
Rik Tindall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anthony Hart wrote:
> > Should I go for a full install?
> 
> I'd say yes, after backing up any data to be kept.
> 
> Ubuntu: we need someone to tell us how well it installs USB wireless 
> keybrd & mouse gear; more LUG people probably know their way round this 
> than Mandriva, but u r a bit raw for Gentoo ;-)
> 
> Glad to see you delving,
> Rik

Still thinking M$ eh, Rik?

No. That's the last thing I'd do. Can you let me know the output from ( you 
need to be logged in as root for this ):

1. X -version
2. lspci
3. What your monitor is ( if it's a lappie, then which one it is )
and 4. Which linux you're trying.

I'll see what can be done. 

Cheers,


Steve

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Rik Tindall]

Good summary, thanks Nick.

Nick Rout wrote:


2. An installfest, with an "expo" flavour, to be held in conjunction
with Software Freedom Day in September. Needs:

- sponsorship
- money
- publicity
- a co-ordinator !

More detail: Saturday 16 Sept. Zane will be holidaying in Europe, but 
believes he can organise us technical support for the event in his 
absence. Here's a way that Zane can participate remotely, if he wants..


UoC gives us a broadband dispensation, which we haven't really utilised. 
I propose that we open (GNU/)Linux Expo/Installfest doors @10am and run 
our commercially supplemented, regular fest through to 4pm, after which 
we begin easing day-machines out the door. Participants are welcome to 
stick around, however, for SFD3. Packup clears surplus gear out by 6pm, 
after which we (eat &) go online as lead team for the 'world SFD video 
conference'. We should advertise intensively on the net beforehand & 
allocate speaker slots for revered figures like Linus, RMS, Bruce 
Perens, Maddog Hall, Esther Dyson, etc, etc, to speak to a global 
audience on integrated *nix time. At the least we can hook up with other 
NZ teams, as NZOSS via Zane et.al have already tested this link.


Most SFD teams will be out & about with free CDs or running demo/install 
workshops, as in previous years. Some then or after, and many teamless 
individuals, would likely get a streamed feed of the conference 
broadcast, and a sense of our movement united for 24 hours (+). Ideally, 
I think we should run our online base address cam/mic studio for as long 
as it is SFD-16Sept06 still somewhere in the world: maintaining that 
sense of technical community for the full duration. This would mean 
closing at 11pm Sunday (NZDST), when everyone finally gets to go home. A 
roster would get CLUGers through the long extra day & night.


This is a big ask of University tech support & facilities, but one I 
hope will be considered for the following reasons:


1. Zane can login from the other side of the world. :)

2. This is an important, live *nix project of probably great interest 
and value to the Uni techs & Comp.Sci etc.


3. The University will gain invaluable exposure/profile in a highly 
advanced and competitive field. Students will be attracted, locally & 
internationally. Our 24-hour+ edufest will be immediate and exciting to 
participate in and observe, highlighting our community.


4. It will establish the key contribution that NZ timezone & skills can 
make to global technical community. Canterbury can be shown to rank well 
amongst this.


5. [please add more upsides..]


I am available to coordinate a team & sponsorship for this 
forward-looking FOSS publicity event, should CLUG so wish it.


--
Richard Tindall, InfoHelp Services  on:
Ubuntu GNU/Linux 5.10 free OS, 2.6.12-9-686 kernel, GNOME 2.12.1 desktop
OpenOffice.org 1.9.129 suite, Mozilla 1.7.12 browser + Firefox 1.0.7
Thunderbird 1.0.7 email, Gedit 2.12.1 web editor, gFTP 2.0.18 file xfer

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Nick Rout]

Ahhh yes, I put "lingering problems" in my subject line intending to ask
about any, then I forgot.

I didn't change any X settings on your computer. I dunno if anyone who
was attempting to help after that did so? I know you had problems with X
appearing to hang, so some well meaning soul may have tried to change
something. I don't think it was an X config setting by the way.

Is it plugged into the same monitor? That can be a problem - if the X
server cannot auto detect the monitor specs it may fail to start
properly.

Try running the mandriva x configuration software, someone else will be
able to confirm, i think it is called drakx.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:43:44 +1300 (NZDT)
Anthony Hart wrote:

> Do I have a lingering problem from last night for
> you?
> 
> I brought my (mostly working) PC to last nights
> meeting but on attempting to fire up Linux this
> morning X will no longer initialize.   Startx now
> gives the following messages:
> 
> Undefined Monitor "monitor" referenced by Screen
> "Screen 1"
> Error parsing the config file
> 
> Fatal Server error
> no screens found
> XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer on X
> server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed)
> with 0 events remaining.
> 
> There was a screen full of messsages but the above
> looked to me to be the most significant.  
>  
> After some mucking about in bash I thought I would
> perform a upgrade install of Mandriva.   This seems to
> have made matters somewhat worse giving rise to the
> above error messages.
> 
> Any suggestions?  Should I go for a full install or
> perhaps keep my sticky fingers off the keyboard and
> flag Linux away until the next CLUG meeting?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Tony Hart
> 
> WARNING.   Yahoo does not accept a blank return
> address
> 
> --- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to Chris & Zane for the talks on
> > LinuxConfAustraliaDunedin
> > 
> > Good discussion about future events. 
> > 
> > Resolved (I think)
> > 
> > 1. Have a half hour session on a beginners topic, eg
> > a section from the
> > LPI certification programme at each meeting - Chris
> > S to present and
> > co-ordinate other presenters for this slot . Distro
> > neutral and command
> > line oriented, but for beginners.
> > 
> > 2. An installfest, with an "expo" flavour, to be
> > held in conjunction
> > with Software Freedom Day in September. Needs:
> > 
> > - sponsorship
> > - money
> > - publicity
> > - a co-ordinator !
> > 
> > 3. Future "feature" talks (ie in addition to the
> > half hour tutorial) 
> > 
> > - the Koha developer - possibly invite school
> > principals/librarians
> > - Linux video/media - me :-(   
> > - a seminar in "how linux is used in my
> > business/workplace" - possibly
> > invite members of NZ Computer Soc to attend, need a
> > list of willing
> > speakers.
> > - more integration with industry groups and other
> > computer (non linux
> > specific) groups
> > 
> > Theres probably some other suggestions I have
> > forgotten, but the above,
> > i think, covers most of what we talked about.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com 

-- 
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Rik Tindall]

Anthony Hart wrote:

Should I go for a full install?


I'd say yes, after backing up any data to be kept.

Ubuntu: we need someone to tell us how well it installs USB wireless 
keybrd & mouse gear; more LUG people probably know their way round this 
than Mandriva, but u r a bit raw for Gentoo ;-)


Glad to see you delving,
Rik

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Anthony Hart]

Do I have a lingering problem from last night for
you?

I brought my (mostly working) PC to last nights
meeting but on attempting to fire up Linux this
morning X will no longer initialize.   Startx now
gives the following messages:

Undefined Monitor "monitor" referenced by Screen
"Screen 1"
Error parsing the config file

Fatal Server error
no screens found
XIO fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer on X
server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 known processed)
with 0 events remaining.

There was a screen full of messsages but the above
looked to me to be the most significant.  
 
After some mucking about in bash I thought I would
perform a upgrade install of Mandriva.   This seems to
have made matters somewhat worse giving rise to the
above error messages.

Any suggestions?  Should I go for a full install or
perhaps keep my sticky fingers off the keyboard and
flag Linux away until the next CLUG meeting?

Cheers

Tony Hart

WARNING.   Yahoo does not accept a blank return
address

--- Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks to Chris & Zane for the talks on
> LinuxConfAustraliaDunedin
> 
> Good discussion about future events. 
> 
> Resolved (I think)
> 
> 1. Have a half hour session on a beginners topic, eg
> a section from the
> LPI certification programme at each meeting - Chris
> S to present and
> co-ordinate other presenters for this slot . Distro
> neutral and command
> line oriented, but for beginners.
> 
> 2. An installfest, with an "expo" flavour, to be
> held in conjunction
> with Software Freedom Day in September. Needs:
> 
> - sponsorship
> - money
> - publicity
> - a co-ordinator !
> 
> 3. Future "feature" talks (ie in addition to the
> half hour tutorial) 
> 
> - the Koha developer - possibly invite school
> principals/librarians
> - Linux video/media - me :-(   
> - a seminar in "how linux is used in my
> business/workplace" - possibly
> invite members of NZ Computer Soc to attend, need a
> list of willing
> speakers.
> - more integration with industry groups and other
> computer (non linux
> specific) groups
> 
> Theres probably some other suggestions I have
> forgotten, but the above,
> i think, covers most of what we talked about.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 


Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com 

Re: Last nights meeting - thanks, and any lingering problems?

[Christopher Sawtell]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 15:55, Nick Rout wrote:
> Thanks to Chris & Zane for the talks on LinuxConfAustraliaDunedin
>
> Good discussion about future events.
>
> Resolved (I think)
>
> 1. Have a half hour session on a beginners topic, eg a section from the
> LPI certification programme at each meeting - Chris S to present and
> co-ordinate other presenters for this slot . Distro neutral and command
> line oriented, but for beginners.
For those who might be interested, please see:
http://www.lpi.org/
And download:-
http://www.lpi.org/en/printer_friendly.html?uri=/obj_101.html

It's my intention to start at:- Topic: 103 GNU & Unix Commands
Continuing to the end and the going back to the beginning for the hardware 
sections 101, and 102.

Duration of each mini-talk strictly limited to 30 mins.

> 2. An installfest, with an "expo" flavour, to be held in conjunction
> with Software Freedom Day in September. Needs:
>
> - sponsorship
> - money
> - publicity
> - a co-ordinator !
>
> 3. Future "feature" talks (ie in addition to the half hour tutorial)
As I understand it we have definitive bookings for:-
14 March - Zane on SQL
11 April - Nick on MythTV

> - the Koha developer - possibly invite school principals/librarians
> - Linux video/media - me :-(
> - a seminar in "how linux is used in my business/workplace" - possibly
> invite members of NZ Computer Soc to attend, need a list of willing
> speakers.
> - more integration with industry groups and other computer (non linux
> specific) groups
>
> Theres probably some other suggestions I have forgotten, but the above,
> i think, covers most of what we talked about.

-- 
CS

Re: Last nights meeting

[Herb Petrie]

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it up
for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.

We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.

Robert

 -Original Message-
From: 	Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:	Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
To:	CLUG
Subject:	Last nights meeting

How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.

Did we get a few boxes fixed?

Re: Last nights meeting

[Herb Petrie]

Thank you all for the help I received on monday night, slowly finding my 
way around, the connection to my ISP is much more consistent, and faster 
than it has ever been.
Would it be safe for me to copy via floppy disk,  my mailboxes and 
bookmarks in ms98 "Eudora" to Mozilla mail ?

Thanks Again,

Herb.

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it up
for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.

We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.

Robert

 -Original Message-
From: 	Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:	Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
To:	CLUG
Subject:	Last nights meeting

How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.

Did we get a few boxes fixed?

RE: Last nights meeting

[Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)]

I am not sure about mail but I know you can export IE favourites to an html
file and then import them to Mozilla (I did it yesterday here at work)

If you cannot import the Eudora mail maybe you could email it to
yourself (from one system to another)

Regards, Robert

 -Original Message-
From:   Herb Petrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Thursday, 3 April 2003 10:52 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Last nights meeting

Thank you all for the great help I received on monday night.
The connection to my ISP is now much more consistent, and faster than it 
has ever been, and have not seen a "busy" message yet.
Slowly finding my way around, would it be safe for me to copy via Floppy 
disk, my mail boxes and bookmarks, from Eudora ms98 to Mozilla mail ?

Thanks again,

Herb.

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
> Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it
up
> for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
> and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
> 
> Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.
> 
> We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.
> 
> Robert
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
> To:   CLUG
> Subject:  Last nights meeting
> 
> How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.
> 
> Did we get a few boxes fixed?
> 

Re: Last nights meeting

[Herb Petrie]

Thank you all for the great help I received on monday night.
The connection to my ISP is now much more consistent, and faster than it 
has ever been, and have not seen a "busy" message yet.
Slowly finding my way around, would it be safe for me to copy via Floppy 
disk, my mail boxes and bookmarks, from Eudora ms98 to Mozilla mail ?

Thanks again,

Herb.

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it up
for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.

We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.

Robert

 -Original Message-
From: 	Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:	Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
To:	CLUG
Subject:	Last nights meeting

How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.

Did we get a few boxes fixed?

Re: Last nights meeting

[Jason Greenwood]

Run Knoppix and copy the XF config files from that. It should 
detect/configure it just fine.

Cheers

Jason

Daniel Fone wrote:
One peice of bad news...

A guy called Ray wanted his machine upgraded to Mandrake 9.1. He had some 
partion problems so we decided to reinstall from scratch. The install was 
fairly impressive, very little configuration was asked for which I didn't 
like much (maybe I should have run in expert mode), but otherwise it was 
good.

The bad news is that his monitor was not detected by X properly, and as a 
result he can't run X without threatening to screw his monitor (this 
happened in 9.0 MDK the first time it was installed too). So in the end he 
didn't really have a decent linux install. I'm working on it at the moment 
but any ideas would be appreciated. His e-mail address is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

Daniel
--
A logician explaining logic to a programmer
is like a cat explaining to a fish that it is going to get
wet.

Re: Last nights meeting

[Nick Rout]

Often if you search for the make and model of monitor on google
[groups|web] you will find the right modelines.

Or use the same as he used last time - you did backup XF86Config?


On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 01:04:18 + (GMT)
Daniel Fone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> One peice of bad news...
> 
> A guy called Ray wanted his machine upgraded to Mandrake 9.1. He had some 
> partion problems so we decided to reinstall from scratch. The install was 
> fairly impressive, very little configuration was asked for which I didn't 
> like much (maybe I should have run in expert mode), but otherwise it was 
> good.
> 
> The bad news is that his monitor was not detected by X properly, and as a 
> result he can't run X without threatening to screw his monitor (this 
> happened in 9.0 MDK the first time it was installed too). So in the end he 
> didn't really have a decent linux install. I'm working on it at the moment 
> but any ideas would be appreciated. His e-mail address is 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Daniel
> --
> A logician explaining logic to a programmer
> is like a cat explaining to a fish that it is going to get
> wet.
> 

-- 
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Last nights meeting

[Daniel Fone]

One peice of bad news...

A guy called Ray wanted his machine upgraded to Mandrake 9.1. He had some 
partion problems so we decided to reinstall from scratch. The install was 
fairly impressive, very little configuration was asked for which I didn't 
like much (maybe I should have run in expert mode), but otherwise it was 
good.

The bad news is that his monitor was not detected by X properly, and as a 
result he can't run X without threatening to screw his monitor (this 
happened in 9.0 MDK the first time it was installed too). So in the end he 
didn't really have a decent linux install. I'm working on it at the moment 
but any ideas would be appreciated. His e-mail address is 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Regards,

Daniel
--
A logician explaining logic to a programmer
is like a cat explaining to a fish that it is going to get
wet.

RE: Last nights meeting

[Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)]

Rick's son could not make it so Rick came to buy the CD's.

Regards, Robert

 -Original Message-
From:   Jason Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:23 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:    Re: Last nights meeting

And Ricks son's box??

Cheers

Jason

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
> Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it
up
> for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
> and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
> 
> Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.
> 
> We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.
> 
> Robert
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
> To:   CLUG
> Subject:  Last nights meeting
> 
> How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.
> 
> Did we get a few boxes fixed?
> 

Re: Last nights meeting

[Jason Greenwood]

And Ricks son's box??

Cheers

Jason

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it up
for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
and generally improved his setup (IMHO)
Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.

We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.

Robert

 -Original Message-
From: 	Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:	Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
To:	CLUG
Subject:	Last nights meeting

How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.

Did we get a few boxes fixed?

RE: Last nights meeting

[David Kirk]

Nick wrote:

> How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.
> 
> Did we get a few boxes fixed?

I fixed up some guy's XF86Config on his laptop.  Unfortunately he only had
32MB of RAM, so RedHat 8.0 ran a bit slow for him.  He is going to get some
more ram rather than go to a lightweight window manager.


Later

David Kirk

RE: Last nights meeting

[Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC)]

Well 3 of us installed KDE 3 on Herb's RedHat 8.0 machine and spruced it up
for him. Got his various removable media mounted with icons on his desktop
and generally improved his setup (IMHO)

Hopefully we did not confuse him too much.

We did stress that he should not hesitate to ask the list for help.

Robert

 -Original Message-
From:   Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:   Tuesday, 1 April 2003 11:01 a.m.
To: CLUG
Subject:Last nights meeting

How did it go? I'm sorry I could not be there.

Did we get a few boxes fixed?

-- 
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>