Re: rpm install
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:36 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: Keith Antoine wrote: At the risk of being boring and getting back to kernel compile: I do an rpm -q gtk+, only to get told its not installed. Yet I did install the package, so I tried for about the third time, but in command mode I rpm -ihv --nodeps --force gtk+2.0x.rpm after installing it obce agin tells me its not installed and locate cannot find any of its libs etc either. Is it me or Mandrake ? For locate try running updatedb and for rpm try rpm --rebuilddb and see if you still have that prob... Yes I did that all to no avail, did not fix the anything. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm install
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:11 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 15:58, Keith Antoine wrote: At the risk of being boring and getting back to kernel compile: I do an rpm -q gtk+, only to get told its not installed. Yet I did install the package, so I tried for about the third time, but in command mode I rpm -ihv --nodeps --force gtk+2.0x.rpm after installing it obce agin tells me its not installed and locate cannot find any of its libs etc either. Is it me or Mandrake ? A bit of each :) try: rpm -qa | grep gtk+ Right, this is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kantoine]# rpm -qa | grep gtk+ gtk+mdk-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+1.2-1.2.10-32mdk libgtk+mdk0.1_6-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk gtk+2.0-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk libgtk+1.2-devel-1.2.10-32mdk libgtk+mdk0.1_6-devel-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+2.0_0-2.2.2-4mdk -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Open Antivirus
On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:34, Gerry Doris wrote: Actually, I use MailScanner and have installed both F-Prot and ClamAV. F-Prot is free for non-commercial users. MailScanner installs seamlessly requiring no changes to sendmail (also works with Postfix and Exim). MailScanner calls the installed virus scanners (it supports about a dozen) to check the mail. MailScanner also uses SpmaAssassin if that's installed to weed out spam. It seems that there are many solutions that install easily and will use many scanners. It is the scanners themselves that I don't have any idea about. They are always in some list and written as though, well, just everyone knows about them. Any opinions on the scanners themselves, as opposed to the glue? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: GNU/Linux Might Be Free of SCO Threats
On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 05:04, Matthew Carpenter wrote: It could be worse... No offense to any Germans, but this could have been the German legal system... IIRC, the German government presses the charges without any plaintiff needing to be involved... I'm referring to the KOffice KIllustrator/Adobe debacle a couple years ago. On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:21:41 -0700 (PDT) tom marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad really for IBM; If SCO was a Canadian company and had originally filed their lawsuit in Canada, as many Canadians know, the loser said lawsuit pays all court costs... The fact that SCO did not own JFS was a no-brainer. SCO's JFS is by Veritas, not SCO. It is a very good JFS, BTW. I heard Veritas made a Linux version as a product you can buy. We used VxFS in our on-the-road systems for years and never once suffered a corruption. Even when the power took a hike. The next question is, will Veritas pick up the ball on this one? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SPAM factoid...
BBC's Click OnLine did an informal test of how e-mail addresses get
listed for receiving spam. They found that the most effective way was
when the address occurred in a web page. They concluded that the address
harvesters seemed to crawl the web looking for addresses. Just sending
e-mail was not the way the address was harvested. They had a neat trick
to encode e-mail addresses in a bit of obscure JavaScript that would
simple be ignored by harvesters. My e-mail address in a web page is:
script type=text/javascript
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$r=#%!+g(\\1771;5'\\0258\\033/t1qnSHC^TO\\034\\034\\033\\023\\020\\02 +
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02 *{9mx3$b5\\177u\\177maU\\nJ\\r\\036[UM]_YB\\rA\\001CDP@@G\\036\\007\\0 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED]1!(2\\023\\177}`\\r\\016bde\\n\\013\\026\\+
007\\032\\026\\010\\005\\000\\03010\\037RVU:;*##)\\022X_,-BBD)*\\002533 +
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Yd! )EF}dy13qYLG\\003COT_O[^m\\032\\036\\000 +
mn\\003\\007\\005jk\\016\\t\\ng`\\n\\017\\017\\034\\035tqt\\031\\032qzy\\02 +
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while(x=eval(x));
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/script
I have yet to see how I can get all places with my address like this. But e-mail
harvesters do not see an address here. Pop it in an HTML block and see my address.
There is a web site that will generate these for you. If interested, I can look
it up. Note that as I can only control local instances of this, I still get far
too many spam per day...
Maybe the SxS could encode e-mail addresses?
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Re: Open Antivirus
On 3 Aug 2003, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:34, Gerry Doris wrote: Actually, I use MailScanner and have installed both F-Prot and ClamAV. F-Prot is free for non-commercial users. MailScanner installs seamlessly requiring no changes to sendmail (also works with Postfix and Exim). MailScanner calls the installed virus scanners (it supports about a dozen) to check the mail. MailScanner also uses SpmaAssassin if that's installed to weed out spam. It seems that there are many solutions that install easily and will use many scanners. It is the scanners themselves that I don't have any idea about. They are always in some list and written as though, well, just everyone knows about them. Any opinions on the scanners themselves, as opposed to the glue? I already told you...F-Prot and ClamAV work very well. I suspect that the others do too or they wouldn't be in business but I haven't used them. If you have the $$$ buy them and then tell the rest of us how they work since ClamAV is the only open source application that I'm aware of. -- Gerry The lyfe so short, the craft so long to learne Chaucer ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Open Antivirus
Gerry Doris wrote: since ClamAV is the only open source application that I'm aware of. What about these? http://www.openantivirus.org/ http://www.amavis.org/ Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm install
On 08/03/03 01:34, Keith Antoine wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:11 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 15:58, Keith Antoine wrote: At the risk of being boring and getting back to kernel compile: I do an rpm -q gtk+, only to get told its not installed. Yet I did install the package, so I tried for about the third time, but in command mode I rpm -ihv --nodeps --force gtk+2.0x.rpm after installing it obce agin tells me its not installed and locate cannot find any of its libs etc either. Is it me or Mandrake ? A bit of each :) try: rpm -qa | grep gtk+ Right, this is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kantoine]# rpm -qa | grep gtk+ gtk+mdk-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+1.2-1.2.10-32mdk libgtk+mdk0.1_6-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk gtk+2.0-2.2.2-4mdk OK, so apparently mandrake named it 'gtk+2.0'. You still need to install gtk+2.0-devel -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:50am up 19 days, 10:32, 1 user, load average: 0.32, 0.30, 0.16 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm install
On Sunday 03 August 2003 4:34 am, someone claiming to be Keith Antoine wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:11 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 15:58, Keith Antoine wrote: At the risk of being boring and getting back to kernel compile: I do an rpm -q gtk+, only to get told its not installed. Yet I did install the package, so I tried for about the third time, but in command mode I rpm -ihv --nodeps --force gtk+2.0x.rpm after installing it obce agin tells me its not installed and locate cannot it? What is telling you that gtk+ is not installed. rpm? Well, that's because the package is called gtk+2.0, not gtk+. Try rpm -q gtk+2.0. find any of its libs etc either. Is it me or Mandrake ? FWIW, locate will only find new files after it's database hase been updated via updatedb, but you knew that... A bit of each :) try: rpm -qa | grep gtk+ Right, this is the result: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kantoine]# rpm -qa | grep gtk+ gtk+mdk-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+1.2-1.2.10-32mdk libgtk+mdk0.1_6-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+-x11-2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk gtk+2.0-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.1-2mdk libgtk+1.2-devel-1.2.10-32mdk libgtk+mdk0.1_6-devel-0.1.6-14mdk libgtk+2.0_0-devel-2.2.2-4mdk libgtk+2.0_0-2.2.2-4mdk You seem to have two versions of libgtk+2.0_0-devel installed. Don't know if that matters, but I'd try removing the two and installing only one. HTH, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-18.8, KDE 3.1.CVS, Xfree86 4.2.1 10:20am up 41 days, 11:13, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.05, 0.06 Help! I'm addicted to Klickety! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
2.6.0-test2 stable for me
FYI, 2.6.0-test2 is 100% stable on my desktop system (ext3). I use sylpheed, MozillaFirebird 0.61 with plugins including mplayer, OpenOffice, CUPS, xterms (aterm), and nvidia kernel and glx support. A few notes: 1) The default kernel config now omits PC speaker support. It's buried pretty deeply. You need to go to Input devices - Misc - PC speaker(NEW). Without this option, you will notice the absence of beeps for duplicates when you invoke bash filename completion. 2) One of the many free gratis configuration changes that the good kernel folks threw my way is ACPI. It works like a champ, but it tooks some digging to find where it is enabled. The major category (power management, or whatever category they call it) gives no indication that power management has been enabled, but if you drill down to the ACPI section, there it is. Needless to say, this was not in the 2.4.x kernel config that I used for the original make oldconfig! 3) Patches are available for the nvidia kernel and glx support. I'm using 1.0.4496 but I'm told that 1.0.4363-r3 will also work. 4) Most users of the new built-in alsa support report success, but I can't get the alsa-ens1371 drivers to work for my SB 16 PCI card. Works fine using the deprecated OSS driver. 5) Reported by various gentoo users: ut2003-demo has heavy sound distortions and browsing some pictures with kuickshow locks up the computer after some minutes. Personally I have used mplayer to view film trailers (no lockups), but the sound quality varies quit a bit. I don't know whether to attribute this to the new kernel, the fact that I am using OSS driver, or just poor recording quality at the source. anyone know what happened to the davicom drivers in the 2.5.75 and 2.6-0-test2 kernels? - Its under the Tulip sub-category in the Network Cards section. Here the matroxfb does not switch to the correct resolution. It remains at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Documentation doesn't say that anything has changed. The bubblemon WindowMaker dockapp often crashes with a floating point exeption. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6.0-test2 stable for me
On 08/03/03 08:21, Collins Richey wrote: 4) Most users of the new built-in alsa support report success, but I can't get the alsa-ens1371 drivers to work for my SB 16 PCI card. Works fine using the deprecated OSS driver. I've got one of these too, so i'm interested to hear the progress you make. Are you actually running alsad too? -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo:http://netllama.ipfox.com 8:15am up 19 days, 10:57, 1 user, load average: 0.05, 0.18, 0.18 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6.0-test2 stable for me
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:18:38 -0700 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 08/03/03 08:21, Collins Richey wrote: 4) Most users of the new built-in alsa support report success, but I can't get the alsa-ens1371 drivers to work for my SB 16 PCI card. Works fine using the deprecated OSS driver. I've got one of these too, so i'm interested to hear the progress you make. Are you actually running alsad too? I'm not sure what you mean by 'alsad'. I've tried every alsa combination that I can think of (built-in and modules). For modules, I've tripple checked all the alias settings. As I remember it, this card (I got it ca. 6-8 months ago because my mb-built-in sound card does not have amplified output) never worked on alsa (2.4 addon), period. I'm not making any progress, googling with no success, etc. Since my card works with the OSS drivers, I'm prepared to wait it out. The only clue I have is that when alsa starts, it reports no sound card found. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: 2.6.0-test2 stable for me
On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:21:16 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, 2.6.0-test2 is 100% stable on my desktop system (ext3). Another report: Tried 2.6.0 beta 2 but couldn't get em8300-libraries or em8300-modules to happen at all. A total no-go. Went back to 2.4.21 because viewing films on the Dxr3 plugged into the telly is now an accepted part of family life. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] Re: SPAM factoid...
On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 02:57, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
BBC's Click OnLine did an informal test of how e-mail addresses get
listed for receiving spam. They found that the most effective way was
when the address occurred in a web page.
snip
My e-mail address in a web page is:
script type=text/javascript
!--
eyes go funny!/eyes funny
//--
/script
If I wanted to harvest only legitimate email addresses perhaps I'd make
a website where people could submit them. ;-)
I saw what was probably the same study so made a little pascal program
that takes a comma-delimited text file and generates a javascript file
with a case statement for each name/address provided by the text file,
using nested arrays to avoid having anything a bot is likely to read.
The javascript file can be linked to from the head of each web page and
email links placed with a call such as ...
script language=javascriptjohnDoe('IanStephen','Ian
Stephen')/script
Which would give a link displaying Ian Stephen. The visible text of
the link can be the email address (default, just omit the second
parameter) or a string you pass.
Much easier to use for more than one or two instances than the
eye-straining output from that on-line tool.
Now off to dissect that example you sent and figure out just how it
works!
--
Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: rpm install
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:51 am, Net Llama! wrote: OK, so apparently mandrake named it 'gtk+2.0'. You still need to install gtk+2.0-devel Thats the real problem in that I am unable to find gtk+2.0-devel anywhere online. Not in rpmfind or mandrake lists. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm install
On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:54 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On Sunday 03 August 2003 4:34 am, someone claiming to be Keith Antoine wrote: On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 09:11 am, Net Llama! wrote: On 08/02/03 15:58, Keith Antoine wrote: At the risk of being boring and getting back to kernel compile: I do an rpm -q gtk+, only to get told its not installed. Yet I did install the package, so I tried for about the third time, but in command mode I rpm -ihv --nodeps --force gtk+2.0x.rpm after installing it obce agin tells me its not installed and locate cannot it? What is telling you that gtk+ is not installed. rpm? Well, that's because the package is called gtk+2.0, not gtk+. Try rpm -q gtk+2.0. Yes that showed it Tim, however as Lonni said I need the devel of that which I cannot find anywhere. I have the tarball of gtk+2.2.2 but it will not compile because the glib version I have is incorrect. So I have compiled glib 2.2.2 but that is not enough, or because its a tarball its not seen. or ATK is the wrong version but the best i can see is 1.2.4 and the compile wants 2.1.4. Sh** its just a merry-go-round. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
SSH Inactivity Timer?
All the machines I SSH into remotely seem to log me out rather quickly (2 minutes?) if I'm not doing anything. I presume it's an inactivity timer. Is there some way to bump this time up a bit (like an option in sshd_config)? I can't find one. Thanks, Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm install
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Keith Antoine wrote: | On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:51 am, Net Llama! wrote: | | |OK, so apparently mandrake named it 'gtk+2.0'. You still need to install |gtk+2.0-devel | | | Thats the real problem in that I am unable to find gtk+2.0-devel anywhere | online. Not in rpmfind or mandrake lists. | ~From the gtk website: http://www.gtk.org/download/ ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.0/binary/RedHat-7.3/RPMS/i386/gtk2-devel-2.0.5-1gtk.i386.rpm - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 4:09pm up 21 days, 20:19, 9 users, load average: 1.13, 1.15, 1.16 - - I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -- Mark Twain - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/LYj2idHQ0m/kEssRAtalAJ94b03hX4gVCErg62c9K1+5trUWOQCfVtZY sxuK8LjRjoPdZHNL/fG+69M= =V6JN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Samba with no passwords
Just starting to experiment with samba to reach files that are on my wife's WinXP machine accross the room. Works OK for file access using the sample smb.conf file provided by gentoo (only modified to add my workgroup), except for the nitpick described below. When I mount a directory with mount -t smbfs //ipaddress/Collins /mnt/samba I get a couple of informative messages that I haven't supplied a user/password. Prompt for passwd follows. I just hit enter, and all is cool. Is there any way to cause the mount not to prompt for a passwd? Hint, I have no defined users and do not log in to the WinXP box. Flames anticipated, security, etc., etc., but this is only on my internal net behind the router. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Samba with no passwords
Collins Richey wrote: Is there any way to cause the mount not to prompt for a passwd? Hint, I have no defined users and do not log in to the WinXP box. Flames anticipated, security, etc., etc., but this is only on my internal net behind the router. If you put the appropriate line in /etc/fstab with password=,user= then you can just do 'mount /mnt/samba'. (Or it may have to be user=guest). Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Samba with no passwords
On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 20:16:18 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Is there any way to cause the mount not to prompt for a passwd? Hint, I have no defined users and do not log in to the WinXP box. Flames anticipated, security, etc., etc., but this is only on my internal net behind the router. If you put the appropriate line in /etc/fstab with password=,user= then you can just do 'mount /mnt/samba'. (Or it may have to be user=guest). Thanks. It works with user=guest. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
