Re: backing up windows
Ian Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu, 21 Aug 2003 22:31:35 -0700 On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 20:41, Keith Antoine wrote: snip I can transfer files back and forth just as I can from a linux booted system. snip NO way! Windows files are not executable on Linux, so it is immune to win viruii, this is one of the reasons I use linux. My concern is that the code will execute on Windows and use this Ext2FS to access Linux and do something nasty there. If my dual-boot machine is running Windows (rare, but it happens) and something infected Windows that can read/write the Linux partitions... couldn't that thing have its way with my Linux stuff while the penquin is 'asleep'? The relevent issue is what OS is running when you do your mail. If you run wine and open your mail with exchange, your concerns are valid. If the OS code to activate the virus isn't available on your system, the virus never gets activated. The virus will sit, inert, in your mail until it is deleted. If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 22:34, Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 20:21:23 -0700 Tom Marinis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: burns wrote: I've also just heard from my sister-in-law that they are under evacuation notice as part of the forest fires in Kelowna, British Columbia (western Canada). I'm across the lake from Kelowna and believe me its one heck of a scary sight. A large part of Kelown is under evacuation notice. Quite a few homes have been lost and more anticipated. This is one fire that should have been stopped dead in its track, but as always too little too late has created one heck of a mess here. Well TED, you *could* make the recommendation to your friends that they file a claim in court. Make Premier Gordon Campbell and Minister De Jong personally and financially responsible for cutting 740 jobs out of the Forestry Ministry back in Jan 2002, and the 600 from WAter Land Air Protection services the year befor that, [ the argument: despite the advice against such actions, as recommended by the Auditor General's report 2001 http://bcauditor.com/PUBS/2001-02/Report1/sec1.htm ] The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 18:21, Ted Ozolins wrote: I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. The Army is moving troops in today. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 16:21, Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. What ever it is you're going to drop, I hope it lands on a politicians head... and goes off with a big bang! :o) -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Quoth Ted Ozolins: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR Kurt -- Lieberman's Law: Everybody lies, but it doesn't matter since nobody listens. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt -- The only possible interpretation of any research whatever in the `social sciences' is: some do, some don't. -- Ernest Rutherford ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Quoth burns: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. We've more in common than not, I think. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Two thongs and a magic wand in every house! Kurt -- Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. -- Steven Wright ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
burns wrote: On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 07:49, Kurt Wall wrote: It's reassuring, in a sad sort of way, that in this case Americans and Canadians still share this in common. ;-) I'm all for one of us annexing the other. GDR I like to think we have more in common than that. Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. This thread is /way/ out of control. ;-) I think annexation by one of the 'old' European countries makes sense. They get a *lot* of time off! -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
Alma J Wetzker wrote: If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma Are these sobig virii Outlook (express) specific, or are other mail clients, say Netscape (on windows) or eudora, vulnerable? -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt Maybe during install the incorrect hardware clock setting was chosen. Some distros ask which your hardware clock is set to, UTC or local. Seven hours is the difference between UTC and Pacific time (US). (or was this too obvious) -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
On Saturday 23 August 2003 9:26 am, someone claiming to be Ken Moffat wrote: Alma J Wetzker wrote: If you open the message while in windoze, then you are infected. The virus NEEDS the OS to respond before it can do it's thing. If the OS doesn't respond, and linux will not respond to a windoze targetted attack unles wine responds, the virus never starts. -- Alma Are these sobig virii Outlook (express) specific, or are other mail clients, say Netscape (on windows) or eudora, vulnerable? If the user clicks on the executable file attachment, regardless of mail client, they can get infected. Although, I think it'll only mail itself out if the user has an Outlook, or Outlook Express address book.; or possibly a text file containing addresses. Check http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/pf/[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.CVS, Xfree86 4.2.1 9:35am up 15:33, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.03, 0.06 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 09:43, Tim Wunder wrote: On Saturday 23 August 2003 9:26 am, someone claiming to be Ken Moffat wrote: Are these sobig virii Outlook (express) specific, or are other mail clients, say Netscape (on windows) or eudora, vulnerable? If the user clicks on the executable file attachment, regardless of mail client, they can get infected. Although, I think it'll only mail itself out if the user has an Outlook, or Outlook Express address book.; or possibly a text file containing addresses. According to CERT.org: The worm requires a user to execute the malicious attachment either manually or by using an email client that will open the attachment automatically. Upon successful execution, the worm installs itself as C:\%windir%\winppr.exe and also creates the file C:\%windir%\winstt32.dat. An entry is also added to the Run registry key so that this executable will be run upon system restart. The key installed in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run is ScanX with the value c:\winnt\winppr.exe /sinc. The program then proceeds to scan files with certain extensions (htm, html, dbx, hlp, mht, txt, wab) on the compromised system for valid email addresses, and it uses an internal SMTP engine to email itself to those addresses. Linux does not have any of the necessary structures described above (e.g. a registry). OTOH Linux boxes could be adversely affected by a flood of mail being generated by infected Windows client boxes. However, there is a pseudo registry in Wine implementations. I checked the wine registry files in my Redhat 8.0 and the registry key that the worm looks for (according to CERT) is not present. That is not to say that the virus couldn't be modified to attack a wine-based Linux system, but then there is the additional hurdle of permission to modify root-controlled files. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Myles Green wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! Over three hundred homes were lost to this fire last night! The officials that fumbled and bungled this should be taken out and shot. Starting with the highly incompetent premier. Good grief, if I repaired and calibrated scopes and other test equipment as they administer their duties to this province, I would not only be fired, Id probably be black-listed. You can bet that I'll be actively canvassing the victims of this mess urging them to launch a class action suit against these twits. There, now I feel better guess I should get a cup of javaG -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTRe: Thank you!
Tim Wunder wrote: Looks like this is a sobig.F virus mail with the file attachment stripped... On Friday 22 August 2003 9:03 pm, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the attached file for details Yup sure looks that way. Ain't it great G -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Opera question
I'm running Opera 6.12 build 362 on a Mandrake 9.1 system. I love how fast it works compared to konqueror but it doesn't seem to load flash sites. Particularly barbie.com and pollypocket.com (my kids love the spongebob game at barbie.com). I've looked at the enabled plugins and shockwave flash 6.0 is listed. The website help indicates that netscape 6.0 or higher is not recommended and that flash 5.0, IE 5.0 or Netscape 4.7 or higher is recommended. Has anyone had issues with compatibility with shockwave 5 vs. 6? Or is it something with Opera itself? TIA Mark -- This message (including any attachments) may contain information which is confidential or privileged. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this message by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. -- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
We Love The SCO Information Minister
This is just too funny. http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org /me wipes eyes. Kurt -- The opossum is a very sophisticated animal. It doesn't even get up until 5 or 6 p.m. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OTRe: Thank you!
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 10:08:38 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Looks like this is a sobig.F virus mail with the file attachment stripped... On Friday 22 August 2003 9:03 pm, someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See the attached file for details Damn, I missed it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On 23 Aug 2003 08:50:08 -0400 burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Here Here! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Ken Moffat wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt Maybe during install the incorrect hardware clock setting was chosen. Some distros ask which your hardware clock is set to, UTC or local. Seven hours is the difference between UTC and Pacific time (US). (or was this too obvious) It wasn't during install. Everything had been running okay for a time, then I got lost in trying to tweak something through the KDE panel thingies, and could never quite figure out what I had done, and couldn't undo it. ++ kevin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I've hosed my clock setup
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Kevin O'Gorman: I don't know what I did the last time I went to adjust my machine's clock, but it seems Linux no longer talks nice to the hardware clock. Every time I boot, the clock is off by 7 hours, and for my setup thats usually once a day (no fault of Linux, I just have to shut this off at night). Kevin, Did you ever get this straightened out? Kurt Sort of, but it's a hack. I found that the /var/log/messages stuff started having two different timestamps starting partway through the boot. That was really odd. Details: my RTC is set to local time because I occasionally boot to Windoze. Timestamps were all okay up to where /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog gets run and tries to do the right thing with the clock, but from then on, the kernel reported times 7 hours off, presumably through klogd. Meanwhile other things continued to report the correct time, presumably through syslogd. All claimed to be PDT times. My hack was to put the line /sbin/hwclock -s --localtime# Local hack in /etc/rc.d/init.d/syslog as the first line of the start() function. I don't understand how, but that fixed it. What's really odd is that as I read things, /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit should have already executed exactly that command. ++ kevin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
burns wrote: However, there is a pseudo registry in Wine implementations. I checked the wine registry files in my Redhat 8.0 and the registry key that the worm looks for (according to CERT) is not present. That is not to say that the virus couldn't be modified to attack a wine-based Linux system, but then there is the additional hurdle of permission to modify root-controlled files. The wine registry files aren't root controlled, they're in the user's .wine directory. And the virus adds its own entries in the registry using the Win32 API calls. But the autorun entry might be of no effect as Wine probably does not notice it. But it's important to realize the goal of Wine is to give a Windows app - whether malicious or beneficial - a near perfect simulated Windows environment to run in. So as Wine gets better, so does its ability to expose us to such malware. Since, IIRC, Outlook, Outlook Express, and Internet Explorer are reported to run near perfectly in Wine (or Crossover Office), it would be prudent to assume a virus would have access to all the right facilities to run as normal. But I'm speculating alot. It does, however, severely call into question our never ending efforts to be able to run Windows apps on Linux (VMWare, Win4Lin, Wine). Even if you only let half the camel into the tent, it still makes life in the tent alot worse. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Tom Marinis wrote: Ted Ozolins wrote: Collins Richey wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. I just learned that the reason that we (here in B. C.) are short of manpower to address these fires is that a Workers Compaensation ruling requires that anyone fighting a forest fire must possess cirtification by the Forestry. I've heard of all kinds of stupidity but this takes the cake. I think its time for a class action suit against WCB. I can not believe that a private organization none of which are elected officials can pass laws. I thought that within the british-north amercan act states that only elected officials can pass laws here. Dang I better drop this. I was just out of highschool, and was tree-planter/firefighter for the summer in and around the Penticton area in mid 1987. The only WCB regs at that time were the requirements for safety gear ( you know, gloves, brain bucket, boots, cover alls ), a manditory 2 hr training course on how to fight forest fires, and a single guy with Industrial First Aid for crew of fire fighters. Back then it was; for every 5 man firefighter crew, you had to have a I.F.A. Level 1 ticket holder in the group. If the crew was 20 or over, the I.F.A. guy had to be LEVEL 3. Now your saying the volunteers firefighters need Forestry Certification ? What the heck is that exactly? Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. I guess that is why the Canadian forces personel were stuck in Vernon training camp for a while to obtain their training (and not just a couple of hours) This whole thing sucks. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Opera question
On Saturday 23 August 2003 2:54 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: On 08/23/03 11:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running Opera 6.12 build 362 on a Mandrake 9.1 system. I love how fast it works compared to konqueror but it doesn't seem to load flash sites. Particularly barbie.com and pollypocket.com (my kids love the spongebob game at barbie.com). I've looked at the enabled plugins and shockwave flash 6.0 is listed. The website help indicates that netscape 6.0 or higher is not recommended and that flash 5.0, IE 5.0 or Netscape 4.7 or higher is recommended. Has anyone had issues with compatibility with shockwave 5 vs. 6? Or is it something with Opera itself? TIA Its opera. I just tested the site with Mozilla-1.4, and it worked fine. Also works well with MozillaFirebird 0.6.1, Shockwave Flash 6.0 r69 -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-19.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 3:55pm up 21:53, 1 user, load average: 0.86, 0.29, 0.09 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We Love The SCO Information Minister
Kurt Wall wrote: This is just too funny. http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org /me wipes eyes. Kurt Good one, I needed some humour to pick up this dayG -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We Love The SCO Information Minister
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Wall wrote: | This is just too funny. | | http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org | | /me wipes eyes. | | Kurt Truth is stranger than fiction once again. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 2:12pm up 5 days, 13:11, 10 users, load average: 3.32, 3.40, 3.20 - - Suggest you just sit there and wait till life gets easier. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/R8sZidHQ0m/kEssRAg7AAJ9SmgVZuSvkarcZ9Re9fT5kxp0mDACfR0ZQ u0fnu197tthZCT29q/IT8jQ= =BlgY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 06:18 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: Myles Green wrote: The one thing we Americans and Canadians have in common, besides the language, is the best politicians money can buy. They all suck. Amen to that! Over three hundred homes were lost to this fire last night! The officials that fumbled and bungled this should be taken out and shot. Starting with the highly incompetent premier. Good grief, if I repaired and calibrated scopes and other test equipment as they administer their duties to this province, I would not only be fired, Id probably be black-listed. You can bet that I'll be actively canvassing the victims of this mess urging them to launch a class action suit against these twits. There, now I feel better guess I should get a cup of javaG If you remember this was exactly a mirror that happened to Canberra (ACT), earlier this year in a firestorm. The subsequent inquiry; guess you will have one too, blamed total lack of communication plus complacency. In the event it is the small guy that gets hit; I'm all right jack syndrome. BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SCO fizzles
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: ... Which pretty much removes ESR and RMS from the running. :-) That said, self-promotion notwithstanding, ESR is very good at making complex technical issues clear. However, this is not about complex _technical_ issues, but, rather, about IBM's alleged contract violoations. SCOs trial-by-press-release is calcualated attempt to cloud the core legal issue: did IBM subvert the contract or not? Lawyers and judges in the U.S. today really don't want people on the juries who are bright enough to understand how they're being manipulated. They most certainly don't want people who understand jury nullifcation. It appears to me that the SCO folks like Darl may be trying to establish a possible insanity defense if they're ever charged with attempting to manipulate their stock price. Their most recent charges that IBM is orchestrating the opposition is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard in ages. Come to think of it though, this may be an indication that it really is Microsoft that's behind much of SCO's posturing considering that it was found that M$ was in fact paying people to write letters to the editor and similar activities during their anti-trust trials. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Systems, Inc. UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it -- Ronald Reagan ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Quoth Keith Antoine: On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 11:18 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Let's both give up and both ask to be annexed to Australia. We could make Skip Prime Minister... the Right almost-honourable Sir Skippy, Member (and crystal balls) for Queensland and representative at moderately large for Big Reds. Two thongs and a magic wand in every house! Kurt Tell yer wot, you would look better than you have for some time, mate! I think not. Kurt -- A diva who specializes in risque arias is an off-coloratura soprano ... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 09:00, Ted Ozolins wrote: Damn, things have changed a lot in BC since the mid 1990's. I never heard about this before, and I live here. Yup, I live here as well and untill now was not aware of it iether. SNIP My wife is originally from Nelson. Her Mom and Dad live in the other end of Kelowna. Her sister and brother-in-law live on McClure Road, somewhere near Lakeside, Barnaby, etc. just below the ridge. They have been on an Evacuation Alert for a few days. I think they finally were forced to evacuate last night. I haven't heard what happened to them yet (we'll call the parents tonight) but over 200 hundred homes in the suburbs burned last night when it jumped the fire-breaks and came down the ridge. Must be quite a show from Westbank. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We Love The SCO Information Minister
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: This is just too funny. http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org /me wipes eyes. This brings to mind one of my father's favorite questions which I would love to post to the SCO folks, ``are you as stupid as you appear to be''? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ The most serious doubt that has been thrown on the authenticity of the biblical miracles is the fact that most of the witnesses in regard to them were fishermen. -- Arthur Binstead ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
On Sat, 2003-08-23 at 17:44, Keith Antoine wrote: For those interested in this evolvingtragedy... Information first hand from the City of Kelowna: http://castanet.firewatch.net/ -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: backing up windows
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 04:51 am, Michael Hipp wrote: Since, IIRC, Outlook, Outlook Express, and Internet Explorer are reported to run near perfectly in Wine (or Crossover Office), it would be prudent to assume a virus would have access to all the right facilities to run as normal. But I'm speculating alot. It does, however, severely call into question our never ending efforts to be able to run Windows apps on Linux (VMWare, Win4Lin, Wine). Even if you only let half the camel into the tent, it still makes life in the tent alot worse. Michael Especially the smell. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'SKIPPY' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061, Australia:: PH:61733002161 Practising Geriatric, Retired Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT To all New Zealand SxS members
Keith Antoine wrote: BTW was there loss of life or did they ALL get away in time. It does seem co-incidental that both continents seem to swap fire hazzard, again is arson part of it too as with us. Mind you Europe copped it this time as well and the death toll was bigger that we ever had. They managed to evacuate everyone with plenty of time to spare, no loss of life. There are still parts of Kelowna on 1/2 hour evac notice. This mess isn't over by a long shot. Other comunities that are along the Okanagan Mountain Park are losing homes and countless numbers have been evacuated or are on 1/2 hour evac notice. There are other fires threatening comunities in the Arrow Lakes area at the same time. That fire could have been stopped in time but since in 1982 (I think) they had a similar fire in that area and didn't go anywhere, the idiots ignored it. In 1982 it wasn't anywhere near as dry and heat parched as it has been this year. Only a total idiot in imediate need for a brain transplant (Hell, maybe we could get D. McBride's brain for this as I'm sure its never been used)would have overlooked that small detail. This is going to be one hell of a summer for many to remember. -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: We Love The SCO Information Minister
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:58:49 -0700 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Aug 23, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: This is just too funny. http://www.welovethescoinformationminister.org /me wipes eyes. This brings to mind one of my father's favorite questions which I would love to post to the SCO folks, ``are you as stupid as you appear to be''? My mom always said: If you had a lick of common sense. The answer is obvious. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
