Re: KDE 3.0 URL popup
On Thursday 06 March 2003 17:28, Bill Campbell wrote: > And what is klipper supposed to do? http://docs.kde.org/en/HEAD/kdebase/klipper/ -- Drive on the Left! If you're not with us you are against us! Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KDE 3.0 URL popup
On Thursday 06 March 2003 05:13, Bill Campbell wrote: > When I highlight a URL in an xterm under KDe 3.0.3 (SuSE 8.1) a popup comes > up from the control panel at the bottom of the screen labelled WEB-Url with > a selection of programs that I might want to use. What's doing this, and > what do I do to disable it? It's coming from the Klipper panel applet. You may be able to configure Klipper to disable this action, I don't know because I run with Klipper itself disabled 'cause I find it to be a general nuisance. HTH Pam -- Drive on the Left! If you're not with us you are against us! Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Updated Step
On Thursday 27 February 2003 23:25, Nobody wrote: > Douglas Hunley has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/index2.html to > incorporate the following: Updated to include Klaus\' idea about new info > box Hate to be picky, but I can't read the last couple of lines in the top centre block of text (beginning "Originally provded by..") in Mozilla or Konqueror. Pam -- Drive on the Left! If you're not with us you are against us! Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Easy reading...
On Friday 14 February 2003 03:11, Jerry McBride wrote: > In browsing IBM... I found a really nice page with numerous linux related > papers, articles, etc... Enjoy. > > http://www-105.ibm.com/developerworks/papers.nsf/dw/linux-papers-bytitle?Op >enDocument&Count=500 Nice. Nice. Nice. Thank you. Pam R -- Drive on the Left! If you're not with us you are against us! Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Bios upgrade under Linux?
On Tuesday 31 December 2002 20:31, Ted Ozolins wrote: > Pam R wrote: > >Hi Gurii > > > >I'm building my first linux only box and wondered how I would, if it is > > ever needed, update the bios, since updates seem to come as dos .exe > > files? > > > >Pam > > I keep a DOS boot disk that I use for my bios updates. I download and > place the flash program and the updated BIOS on the floppy. Simple when you know how, isn't it? Thanks to Stuart, Net & Ted for your help. Pam R -- sed s/MS/Linux/ Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Bios upgrade under Linux?
Hi Gurii I'm building my first linux only box and wondered how I would, if it is ever needed, update the bios, since updates seem to come as dos .exe files? Pam -- Have a good turn-of-the-year-celebration-of-your-choice. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Via chipset KT133 and system instability
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 22:35, Net Llama! wrote: > On 12/24/02 08:56, Jerry McBride wrote: [snip] > > Turn off box, remove cover, unplug video card, run pencil eraser across > > card > > I hope you don't mean the eraser. That's the best way to completely > wreck all the sockets. Its the graphite in the pencil itself that you > want. Surey not. Graphite is conductive so running a pencil lead across the contacts could short them together to some degree. On the other hand, a pencil eraser is a good tool for removing any crud from card contacts, just be sure to use a soft one and to thoroughly clean off the dust afterwards. Cleaning socket contacts is much more problematical 'cause they are so close together there's a real danger of distorting them. Probably the best thing to do is to just remove the card and blow (or suck?) out any dust that may have accumulated in the socket block. Pam R -- Have a good turn-of-the-year-celebration-of-your-choice. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Via chipset KT133 and system instability
On Wednesday 25 December 2002 04:20, Tim Wunder wrote: > On Tuesday 24 December 2002 05:36 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: > > Maybe its the mobo? > > It's on the list of potential culprits. We'll see... > So far, I've managed to get 512MB additional RAM, a new processor and video > card. Maybe I'll get a new Mobo, too ;-) Power supply? Pam R -- Have a good turn-of-the-year-celebration-of-your-choice. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Via chipset KT133 and system instability
On Monday 23 December 2002 21:05, Tim Wunder wrote: > Anyone running an AMD-based board with a Via KT133 chipset? > I've been experiencing a significant amount of system instabilty (X > crashing, SRPM rebuilds failing with internal compiler errors, running kmix > locking the system) and was leaning toward bad RAM being the culprit. But > as I've been googling, I've found several references to the KT133 chipset, > and the VT82C686 Southbrisge wreaking havoc. > > I'll be updating my motherboard's BIOS tonight (an ABIT KT7A) and replacing > the RAM to see if that helps, but any insight y'all could provide would be > helpfull, especially if your running on a mobo with a VIA chipset. I'm > currently running RH8's stock Athlon kernel, but would be willing to > compile a new kernel if that would help fix things. Not quite the same but I've been using an Abit KA7; KX133 chipset (VT8371 & VT82C686A) + 750MHz Athlon for some time now and the only problem I've had was having to turn off APM for the 2.4 kernels otherwise the mouse cursor skipped all over the place. SuSE 8.1 at the moment. Pam -- Have a good turn-of-the-year-celebration-of-your-choice. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Wrong path in SxS site?
Hi I've just noticed that the 'Playing Quicktime movies natively in linux' link in New and the 'Quicktime' link in Video point to a text file not an html one, although the text seems to be html. -- Pam R: Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde2/3 install
On Sunday 27 October 2002 9:01 pm, Tony Alfrey wrote: > I've been looking at the GUI hack and am > glad it still applies. It sounds like I need to treat kde3 (and qt3) > like the hack for kde2. In other words, make an executable called kde3 > that is an as-you-described modified start script that sets environment > variables and the other start-up stuff? > Jeeze, I just know I'm gonna blow this up. Or just make the new executable call /opt/kde3/startkde when it has set everything up... #!/bin/sh # KDE 3 STARTUP SCRIPT (EW3.1) # Save as /usr/X11R6/bin/kde3 and make executable QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 KDEDIR=/opt/kde3 KDEDIRS=/opt/kde3 KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$KDEDIR/lib export QTDIR KDEDIR KDEDIRS PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH KDEHOME /opt/kde3/bin/startkde -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde2/3 install
On Sunday 27 October 2002 3:00 pm, Tony Alfrey wrote: > On Sunday 27 October 2002 05:31 am,Pam R wrote: > > On Sunday 27 October 2002 11:14 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: > > > I'm going to compile kde3 from source as I've compiled kde2 before > > > many times with good success. > > > But I'm always very cautious and like to save a backup in case > > > things crash. Since installing 3 is not like just upgrading 2, I'd > > > like to know the following: > > > 99% of what gets compiled ends up in (depending on your choice) > > > /opt/kde3. > > > But there are "some" executables and maybe some scripts? that get > > > written that can really make a mess unless they can be backed up > > > and reinstalled to get back to 2 if need be. Does anyone know for > > > dead certain which things these are?? Are they > > > environment-variable dependent?? > > > Thanks! > > Ah, good! Pam Roberts, the expert on kde boot-up! > > > Are you compiling from cvs or from a recent tarball (3.1 RC1 should > > be out fairly soon), > > I downloaded the 3.0.4 archives because kde says it's "stable" > > > and are you already running some version of > > kde3, > > No kde3 yet > > > and on what base distro ? > > That Caldera pre-3.0 thing Linux Technology Preview > > > If you haven't seen it already you may find > > http://developer.kde.org/build/build2ver.html useful. They say to > > install the latest version as a new user, and that approach certainly > > overcomes a lot of niggly problems. > > I'm really tempted to do that to at least see that it works and then I > can slog through all the boot scripts to clean up the Caldera boot mess. If it helps, I have been building KDE 3 from cvs on a Caldera EW3.1 box for since the end of last year and until about 6 weeks ago was able to have just one user swapping between kde2 & 3 at login. But the changes they have added in going towards 3.1 seem to have broken that approach and I've now got 2 users, one for kde2 and one for kde3.-almost-1. With just one user, and keeping the user's config files separate in ~/.kde2 and ~/.kde3 that just leaves ~/.kderc and possibly the Desktop directory as being common between the 2 versions of kde. You will need to update or add quite a few things to be able to compile 3.0.4 properly. http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-3.0.4.html seems to cover most of them, and keeping an eye on the output of ./configure should tell you if anything is missing. BTW, the infamous 'GUI Login Hack' SxS (http://linux-sxs.org/kde2loginhack.html) applies to EW3.1 and LTP as well as ED2.4 and makes it easy to add kde3 to the GUI login dialog options. > Did you write a niggly problems SxS yet? 'fraid not, I'm still working on the wiggly and tiggly ones ;-) Enjoy -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: rpm question
On Sunday 27 October 2002 6:00 pm, Collins wrote: > I haven't used an RPM-based distro in a long time. > > Is there a facility in RPM to take a list of updates and apply them in > dependancy order, or do you have to try each and order the list > yourself? Easiest way is to tell rpm to update them all at once, like rpm -Uvh *.rpm and let it sort the interdepencyies out for itself. -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde2/3 install
On Sunday 27 October 2002 11:14 am, Tony Alfrey wrote: > I'm going to compile kde3 from source as I've compiled kde2 before many > times with good success. > But I'm always very cautious and like to save a backup in case things > crash. Since installing 3 is not like just upgrading 2, I'd like to > know the following: > 99% of what gets compiled ends up in (depending on your choice) > /opt/kde3. > But there are "some" executables and maybe some scripts? that get > written that can really make a mess unless they can be backed up > and reinstalled to get back to 2 if need be. Does anyone know for dead > certain which things these are?? Are they environment-variable > dependent?? > Thanks! Are you compiling from cvs or from a recent tarball (3.1 RC1 should be out fairly soon), and are you already running some version of kde3, and on what base distro ? If you haven't seen it already you may find http://developer.kde.org/build/build2ver.html useful. They say to install the latest version as a new user, and that approach certainly overcomes a lot of niggly problems. -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Mandrake 9.0
Any reports, impressions? -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Lovely looking Linux
Interesting article on using Freetype fonts with linux. Amongst other things it says that Freetype2 should be installed _twice_; in /usr/local and in /usr/X11R6. Does anyone know why? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27788.html -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Constant recieving on cable modem
On Saturday 12 October 2002 4:31 pm, Harry G wrote: > I just started using ATT with a cable modem, external via a networking > card, and gkrellm shows that I am constantly receiving small amounts of > data. > > Is this normal? I am using a firewall set up for a single station with > Suse 8.0, and all unnecessary ports are closed. Yes, it is normal and probably nothing to be worried about as your firewall should be blocking the nasties, take a look in your xconsole or the /var/log files and you should find that the firewall is dropping them. In my case the traffic seems to be a mixture of port scans from the cable company to make sure that I am not doing anything naughty, from crackers in the hope that I am, and broadcast messages between the cable system routers (igmp protocol?). If you fire up ethereal you can take a look see at what the traffic is in your case. Don't know about SuSE personal firewall, but I'm running firewall2 on SuSE 8.0 and I've configured it to drop the most frequent cases without logging to keep the log files from growing too big. -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: United Linux Public Beta
On Wednesday 25 September 2002 10:07 pm, Jim Bonnet wrote: > Regarding the US mirror: > > http://www.sco.com/products/beta > > sign up for the openbeta and you get access right away to the UL stuff.. > That site should give better bandwidth I would think. And you can choose 'Unknown Country' from the form! -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
United Linux Public Beta
Anyone managed to get & try it yet? http://download.unitedlinux.com/cgi-bin/reg.pl -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Intel LaGrande
On Sunday 22 September 2002 8:01 pm, Zoki wrote: [snip] > > Pam, how much more do you need to understand Microsoft is acting like a > drug dealer; Give people small amounts of your shit and once they hooked > squeze their balls... Surely what is good for MS is good for the USA, and what is good for the USA is just what the rest of the world really really wants? But seriously, it will be interesting to see how this pans out over the next few years. As I see it the availability of free downloads of 'illegal' music & videos is perhaps the main reason that people are buying the latest and greatest hardware. If you always have to pay for a video then surely it is more sensible to play it on a standard DVD player which costs what, $100?, rather than on a $1000 computer. So if Palladium and the various acronymic acts of legislation take off the computer box manufacturers could face a bleak future, but remember that they are located in countries like China and will do everything they can to sell product. In their eyes what the customer wants is what he gets, a good example of this being the effective smashing of DVD regional coding because virtually every DVD player you can buy these days is multi-region - because _that_ is what the customer wants. What interesting times we live in. -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Intel LaGrande
On Friday 20 September 2002 3:21 pm, dep wrote: > the other shoe has dropped: > > "Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium "trusted" > -- meaning Microsoft- approved software only -- support in its next > generation of chips, according to published reports." > > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 I don't quite understand what the fuss is all about, to quote from MS's http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2002/jul02/0724palladiumwp.asp " Core Principles of the "Palladium" Initiative Development of "Palladium" is guided by important business and technical imperatives and assumptions. Among these are the following: A "Palladium"-enhanced computer must continue to run any existing applications and device drivers. "Palladium" is not a separate operating system. It is based on architectural enhancements to the Windows kernel and to computer hardware, including the CPU, peripherals and chipsets, to create a new trusted execution subsystem (see Figure 1). "Palladium" will not eliminate any features of Windows that users have come to rely on; everything that runs today will continue to run with "Palladium." In addition, "Palladium" does not change what can be programmed or run on the computing platform; it simply changes what can be believed about programs, and the durability of those beliefs. Moreover, "Palladium" will operate with any program the user specifies while maintaining security. " And later.. " "Palladium" is an opt-in system. "Palladium" is entirely an opt-in solution; systems will ship with the "Palladium" hardware and software features turned off. The user of the system can choose to simply stay with this default setting, leaving all "Palladium"-related capabilities (hardware and software) disabled. Turning "Palladium" completely off includes turning it off in hardware, which prevents any software from turning it back on. Users have the ultimate control over their systems and their information; "Palladium" does not entail any global requirements. " -- Pam R: Don't put off until tomorrow what you can leave to the day after. Linux StepbyStep: http://www.linux-sxs.org/stepbystep.html ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc -> http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: some really basic networking questions
On Tuesday 16 July 2002 7:38 pm, Matthew Carpenter wrote: > Obviously you've patched the eD box... eD and eS both suffered from a bug > which didn't update /etc/hosts. Douglas Hunley kindly wrote a patch for > it. Perhaps you have installed dhclient, which I believe works well > (original eD ran dhcpcd, IIRC). > Actually I must confess to lying :-( It was really a EW3.1 box Pam > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002 18:49:47 +0100 > > "Pam R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >From my eD2.4 box... > > > > [pam@betsy pam]$ ll /etc/hosts > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 282 Jul 16 18:48 /etc/hosts > > [pam@betsy pam]$ cat /etc/hosts > > # > > # > > # /etc/hosts file, automatically generated by DHCP boot > > # script -- do not edit. > > # > > # > > 127.0.0.1 localhost betsylin betsylin.nodomain.nowhere > > 10.1.2.12 lillith > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list - > http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe > info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: some really basic networking questions
On Monday 15 July 2002 6:27 pm, Net Llama! wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Matthew Carpenter wrote: > > On Sat, 13 Jul 2002 16:38:14 -0700 > > > > "Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Matthew Carpenter wrote: > > > > Sorry, Llama, I have to disagree here... /etc/hosts is a key part of > > > > a Linux system. If your hostname and ip address don't match in > > > > there, you get weird results with some software. > > > > > > When did i say it wasn't a key part of the system? No where. However > > > it has *NOTHING* to do with DHCP. Please don't put words in my mouth. > > > > Exactly, and you are wrong. The DHCP subsystem updates /etc/hosts every > > time it obtains a lease. This is necessary for the system to understand > > its inner self and maintain a state of ominous peace. And tone it down, > > chief. > > No, you are wrong. DHCP doesn't touch /etc/hosts in any way shape or > form on any of the 15+ boxes that i'm responsible for. >From my eD2.4 box... [pam@betsy pam]$ ll /etc/hosts -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 282 Jul 16 18:48 /etc/hosts [pam@betsy pam]$ cat /etc/hosts # # # /etc/hosts file, automatically generated by DHCP boot # script -- do not edit. # # 127.0.0.1 localhost betsylin betsylin.nodomain.nowhere 10.1.2.12 lillith -- Pam R: Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: some really basic networking questions
On Saturday 13 July 2002 10:40 pm, Matthew Carpenter wrote: > begin "dep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > (Sat, 13 Jul 2002 10:08:44 -0400) > > > this is perhaps assisted in yast2's > > insistence on changing everything back once it's been changed by > > hand. > > My sole hatred of SuSE-the only thing that remained on my crap list after > the SuSE team learnt how to speek auf English (my impression of 6.0). Seems that you can stop this behaviour globally by setting ENABLE_SUSECONFIG=no in /etc/sysconfig/suseconfig or for a more selective approach add the same line at the start of the appropriate file in /etc/sysconfig/ So, does that mean you can now really love suse? -- Pam R: Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: fw: Security Watch Special Edition -- Hack the Network!
On Friday 12 July 2002 8:50 pm, Matthew Carpenter wrote: > Wow... They're either getting daring up there in Redmond or they're > smoking better stuff than I am. > Well, I suppose they may be anticipating a power outage for the duration > of this event > > > -Original Message- > July 10, 2002 > Security Watch > http://mcpmag.com/security/ > http://ENTmag.com > > = > THIS ISSUE SPONSORED BY: > - MCP TechMentor Conf - San Diego - September 3-7 > http://www.techmentorevents.com/sandiego/ > = > - > In This Special Issue: > - The Windows Security Challenge is Live > - > **The Windows Security Challenge is Live > By Keith Ward > > Welcome to this special edition of Security Watch! I'm at the Elliot > Grand Hyatt hotel in downtown Seattle, Washington, site of the MCP > TechMentor Summit on Security. We've been spending the day configuring > our typical Windows 2000 network for security, using industry experts > and standard best practices for hardening. > > For those of you unable to attend in person, we still want you to join > in on the action. Starting at 6 p.m. PST today, we invite you to attack > our network -- any part, any time -- until the Windows Challenge ends > at midnight tomorrow, July 11. Any kind of attack is welcome; in fact, > the more creative and aggressive, the better. Remember, we've got some > of the best in the business locking down our network; you'll need to be > good to get in. > [snip] Has anyone heard what happened? -- Pam R Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Updated Step
On Friday 28 June 2002 6:45 pm, Nobody wrote: > Doug has just updated http://www.linux-sxs.org/index2.html to incorporate > the following: Ignore > ___ > Linux-users mailing list - > http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe > info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. *Nobody* tells *me* to ignore *nothing*. Pam -- Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
IBM Linux animations
Just came across this selection of amusing penguin animations, mostly in Flash. http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/linux/fun/ Pam -- Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Feds, industry battle the biggest network bug (The Register)
On Wednesday 12 June 2002 8:35 pm, Terence McCarthy wrote: > This story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/25693.html) talks about > the ASN.1 problems. To a neophyte of the protocols etc., of the internet it > seems worrying: to a computer user the following is frightening: > > "So severe are the potential ramifications of widespread ASN.1 security > holes, that President Bush was personally briefed on the matter, according > to cyber security czar Richard Clarke, speaking at a meeting of the > National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) last > March." > > Then: > > "With that mandate, Howard Schmidt, FORMER MICROSOFT SECURITY CHIEF (my > caps) and newly-appointed vice chairman of the President's Critical > Infrastructure Protection Board, created a full-time "Cyber Interagency > Working Group" in February to examine the government's vulnerability to > ASN.1 implementation holes." > And another quote from the story: "Additionally, programmers often borrow and reuse code from prior implementations of a protocol, or from open-source software, taking the flaws along with it. " Naughty naughty programmers to be relying on open-source rubbush. Pam -- Tony Blair and Bill Gates are my heroes. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
The Net Tightens
One advantage of living in the UK is the number of organisations that want to look after you... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2002%2F06%2F12%2Fnripa12.xml Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling qt3 - what is the difference between logging in as root as sued in? kieth
On Wednesday 05 June 2002 1:33 pm, James McDonald wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jun 2002 7:37, you wrote: > > > > Ok I will save that to a .sh script. However one thing you left out is > > that I have to remember to be in root and not sued in . > > > > Is this because your on caldera? Because I did mine while sued in and now I > am worried that I have messed up... Compiling qt3 on EW3.1? I have always done it with su, never as a real root, and don't have any problems. Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling qt3
On Tuesday 04 June 2002 5:28 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:00 pm, you wrote: > > I don't mean to imply that you did not do this, but on WS 3.1, I had to > > pass "--prefix /usr/lib/qt3" to configure. Even with all the environment > > variables set, configure just wouldn't run without it. > > this is the result, wierd hey! > > [root@bigpond qt-x11-free-3.0.4]# ./configure --prefix=/usr/lib/qt3 > > >The environment variable $QTDIR is not set correctly. It is currently >set to "/usr/lib/qt2", but it should be set to this directory, >which is "/build/qt-x11-free-3.0.4". Keith I see that you are putting the source in one directory (/build/qt-x11-free-3.0.4) and wanting the compilation results to go to another (/usr/lib/qt3). This can be ok but the script that I posted earlier assumes that the source has been placed into /usr/lib/qt3 and that is also where you want the compiled stuff to end up. I find it easier to do it this way. YMMV Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling qt3
On Tuesday 04 June 2002 12:30 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > I stuff this up everytime because I have no understanding of the process. > It is the problem of setting the $QTDIR. I have placed this in .profile:: > > QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 > PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH > MANPATH=$QTDIR/doc/man:$MANPATH > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > export QTDIR PATH MANPATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH > > But when I go to ./configure it tells me that I have the $QTDIR set > wrongly. > > Waht is wrong, by the way i did this out of the instructions. Keith, life is much simpler if you use a script to do the compilation. That way you can set up QTDIR etc. in the script and when you run it they will be set correctly for the shell running the script without affecting or being affected by QTDIR... settings used elsewhere. This means that you can compile qt3 while running kde2 (which needs QTDIR as /usr/lib/qt2). For example: -snip here- #!/bin/bash # buildqt3 script for EW3.1 QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 #where qt3 lives PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$PATH MANPATH=/usr/doc/qt3 LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export QTDIR PATH MANPATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH cd $QTDIR make -f Makefile.cvs #watch out for linewrapping in the following.. cstr="-system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -thread \ -plugin-imgfmt-mng -no-stl -no-xinerama -no-g++-exceptions -enable-xml" ./configure $cstr make -snip here- HTH Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: New Step
On Sunday 02 June 2002 3:55 am, Nobody wrote: > Thanks to Mike Andrew we now have a Step on The various integrated > development packages available under Linux. You may find this step at > http://www.linux-sxs.org/code-ide.html Nice one, Mike. And thanks for bringing FLTK to my attention. Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Saturday 01 June 2002 12:35 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Thursday 30 May 2002 07:43 pm, you wrote: > > Icould not agree with you more, as for suse again in agreement but I had > more problems with trying to get the second ccddrive seen (dvd), in fact I > did not manage it. Also the presumption on install that it knows what > partitions to install on and wanted to delete a winders partition. Ok, I > know about winders but wanting to delete it and also rssze things, no way. You can tell it to use whatever partitions you want, and not to resize them. Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: lycoris
On Friday 31 May 2002 6:17 am, Ken Moffat wrote: > > Nothing like having my hope clubbed to death like a baby seal > > ouch! > > Caldera sure brings out the best in everyone! > > I recently cautiously dabbled in Caldera after quite a bit of foraging in > the wild looking for suitable nourishment. Thought 3.1.1 was somewhat > palatable. My hope lies bleeding on the floor. > > My question: why do they not let a desktop version slip out the back door? > They could just say 'excuse me' if it stinks. > > (Just loaded RH7.3. Anyone have opinions?) Any opinions about Debian anyone, ,apart from the religious aspect that is ;g) ? Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Linux, PS2 and the Beeb
This Linux stuff must be getting quite popular, even the BBC News site has an article today about running it on your Playstation 2! http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2006000/2006855.stm Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: who has SuSE 8?
On Wednesday 24 April 2002 1:58 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: > anyone? anyone? Me ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: your opinion needed (site redesign)
On Monday 22 April 2002 9:16 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: > I've reworked the left-hand menu taking all prior suggestions into account. > It resembles the one Klaus suggested, with slight changes. Feedback? > Url is http://hunley.homeip.net/sxs/ The right hand graphic - www.linux-sxs.org etc. is far too small and being in a very light colour I can't read the bottom line of text. Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager
On Saturday 13 April 2002 8:02 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: [ginormous snip] > > We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right > until release 3.0. Why should we then exempt KDE from the same > standard of judgement? Don't forget the linux motto: "Release early, release often, and fsck the customer" Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kde3 rocks!
On Friday 05 April 2002 7:12 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: > On Friday 05 April 2002 13:11, Pam R wrote: > > And don't forget the squirming icons! Thankfully optional. > > which? Hey, it's gone! I had KDE3.0 running & whenever I moved the mouse pointer near to an icon in say Konqueror the icon moved slightly as if it was trying to get away from the mouse pointer. This was making me feel rather sick so I unchecked the Animata Icons box in the Control Center Look & Feel -> Icons -> Advanced page which stopped this behaviour but now I can't seem to get it back. Pam ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: kde3 rocks!
On Friday 05 April 2002 5:39 pm, Douglas J Hunley wrote: > I spent all day yesterday compiling, tweaking, etc. > I must say, for KDE, I'm impressed! > the new kmail is pretty sweet too.. right click on an email, choose create > filter, pick 'mailing list header' and it creates a filter with the values > for the mailing list header! you just have to tell it what you want it do > with the email! > and the improvements in konqui are nice too! And don't forget the squirming icons! Thankfully optional. Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Pam Roberts (Re: compiling kde3)
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 1:21 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > You seem to be able to see what I cannot; qt-copy. Do they have somewhere > where I can access older snapshots, as it seems that they must be close to > something as 16 has been there a few days now. The difference I think is that I am taking source code straight from CVS whereas I believe that you are downloading the CVS snapshots,, which are always a bit out of date especially around the time of a release. If you are interested in getting the latest and greatest try using cvsup: http://www.kde.org/cvsup.html >[snip] > grahics: > In file included from kscandevice.cpp:50: > kgammatable.h:8: sane/sane.h: No such file or directory > In file included from kscandevice.h:41, > from kscandevice.cpp:51: > kscanoption.h:32: sane/sane.h: No such file or directory > kscanoption.h:33: sane/saneopts.h: No such file or directory It look like you are missing the scanner package sane. In EW3.1 this comes from the sane and sane-devel rpms. The files on my system are: /usr/include/sane/saneopts.h and /usr/include/sane/sane.h .But then you say you have installed sane... don't quite know what's ggone wrong here then. Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Pam Roberts (Re: compiling kde3)
On Tuesday 19 March 2002 1:27 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > I have a small problem on redoing the compiles that some of them cannot > find: checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (library qt-mt) > not found. Please check your installation! > > Locate finds: > /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.prl > /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.0.2 > /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so > /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 > /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.0 > > Have a path in ls.so.conf to /use/lib/qt3/lib but its still failing. I guess that QTDIR hasn't been set correctly (is still pointing to /usr/lib/qt2) when you are doing the kde compiles. I don't know how you are doing the compiles but I find it easiest to use a bash script so that I don't have to type the commands in by hand and forget something when I am doing it. It also means that you can run the script from within kde 2 without any problems... snip-- #!/bin/bash # buildkde3 srcdir=/mnt/bkup/CVSKDE3#Where the source code is, #Change it to suit your setup QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 KDEDIR=/opt/kde3 PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$KDEDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export QTDIR KDEDIR PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH # uncomment one of the following to compile just that module pkgs="kdesupport" #pkgs="arts" #pkgs="kdelibs" #pkgs="kdebase" #pkgs="kdeutils" #pkgs="kdegraphics" #pkgs="kdenetwork" #pkgs="kdeadmin" #pkgs="kdemultimedia" #pkgs="kdeartwork" #pkgs="kdeaddons" # or to compile more than one module do something like #pkgs="kdesupport arts kdelibs kdebase" cfgopts="--disable-debug --with-qt-dir=$QTDIR \ --with-qt-headers=$QTDIR/include\ --with-qt-libraries=$QTDIR/lib --prefix=$KDEDIR \ --with-ssl-dir=/usr/include/openssl" mk="-k" #so it keeps on compiling other stuff after a problem for i in $pkgs; do cd $srcdir/$i echo -e "Doing $i ." echo -e "Doing make -f Makefile.cvs for $i" make -f Makefile.cvs echo "Doing configure $cfgopts $i" ./configure $cfgopts echo -e "make $mk $i" make $mk echo -e "Doing make $mk install $i" make $mk install echo -e "$i done" done snip-- HTH Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Pam Roberts (Re: compiling kde3)
On Monday 18 March 2002 8:38 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > Pam, > > I have got many of the kde src files compiled and also turned out RPMS for > them too, using checkinstall. > [snip] > > Now all I have to do is pickup courage to try it out. Anything that I have > to do before that ?? If you are running Caldera 3.1.x (or even 2.4) and already have KDE 2.x and want to be able to choose KDE 3 instead, and have put qt3 into /usr/lib/qt3 and kde3 into /opt/kde3 then I would suggest: 1) Look for the kde 2 file kdmrc. It may be in /opt/kde2/share/config/ or perhaps in /opt/kde2/share/config/kdm/, or you may find it in both places. Change the SessionTypes line in the file(s) so that it includes kde3: SessionTypes=kde2,kde3,failsafe, 2) Create the following shell script and save it as usr/bin/kde3 and make it executable. snip here #!/bin/sh # # KDE 3 STARTUP SCRIPT # Save as /usr/bin/kde3 and make executable QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 KDEDIR=/opt/kde3 KDEDIRS=/opt/kde3 KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 PATH=$QTDIR/bin:$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$QTDIR/lib:$KDEDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export QTDIR KDEDIR PATH LD_LIBRARY_PATH KDEHOME /opt/kde3/bin/startkde snip here 3) Create a symlink to it from /usr/X11R6/bin: ln -s /usr/bin/kde3 /usr/X11R6/bin/kde3 This will keep your existing KDE 2 login manager and login dialog but with kde3 added to the options. Try it. DON'T PANIC... It can take quite a time to start up properly the first time. Enjoy Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Yahoo and Kmail
On Monday 18 March 2002 2:36 pm, Mike Andrew wrote: > > I gave up on kmail for this reason. There is a bit of info on the KDE > > Kmail > > > site about this. It seems there are a number of ways this authentication > > works. > > > >There are two common techniques used for SMTP authentication: > > "SMTP after POP3" and "SMTP Auth". "SMTP Auth" is currently not > > Yahoo, afaik, uses Auth. > > I gave up on Yahoo rather than drop kmail, the alternative for me was > Netscape and it's a hog. Seems like Kmail in KDE 3 will handle SMTP Auth Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Friday 15 March 2002 6:40 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > > Something just struck me, is it not there because they are yusing the full > qt-3.0.2 now rather than qt-copy. However where can one get the last issued > qt-copy from or is this academic now. The qt-copy module in cvs is there now, I updated a few minutes ago, but I understand that it was changed (again!) yesterday so maybe it was temporarily unavailable. It is supposed to be very close to the Trolls' next release; 3.0.3. Have a nice evening. Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Thursday 14 March 2002 5:53 am, Keith Antoine wrote: [snip] > > Ok will swap to qt-copy if thats the case, and thanks once again Pam. Just to say that qt-copy has just been updated again in ccvs :-( Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Monday 11 March 2002 8:20 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Monday 11 March 2002 11:31 pm, you wrote: > > Here's a stripped down version of my Qt build script for qt-copy from > > cvs. Watch out for line wraps here.. > > > > #!/bin/bash > > # Qt source in /usr/lib/qt3 > > > > QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 > > cd $QTDIR > > make -f Makefile.cvs > > > > cstr="-system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -thread \ > > -plugin-imgfmt-mng -no-stl -no-xinerama -no-g++-exceptions -enable-xml" > > > > ./configure $cstr > > > > make > > > > HTH > > Pam > > Re this compile, I am using the full 3.0.2 qt-x11 rather than the qt-copy > is this a bad idea, when I am doing a cvs ? my qt is in /opt/kde3 but I > set: export QTDIR=/opt/kde3 ! It could work, but it is probably neater to keep qt separate from kde, that way you can have e.g. /opt/kde3 /opt/kde3-old and /usr/lib/qt3 /usr/lib/qt3-old_but_works qt-copy is probably a better bet that the 3.0.x release from the trolls as it often has useful patches included in it. Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Monday 11 March 2002 11:43 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Monday 11 March 2002 08:45 pm, you wrote: > > I got kdesupport finished. However on arts make failed with :: > Wow, progress!! [snip] > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.0.2) (library qt-mt) not > found. Please check your installation! > For more details about this problem, look at the end of config.log. > Make sure that you have compiled Qt with thread support! Here's a stripped down version of my Qt build script for qt-copy from cvs. Watch out for line wraps here.. #!/bin/bash # Qt source in /usr/lib/qt3 QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt3 cd $QTDIR make -f Makefile.cvs cstr="-system-zlib -qt-gif -system-libpng -system-libjpeg -thread \ -plugin-imgfmt-mng -no-stl -no-xinerama -no-g++-exceptions -enable-xml" ./configure $cstr make HTH Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Monday 11 March 2002 8:34 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:26 pm, you wrote: > > Pam > > I have installed Autoconf 2.52, automake 1.5 and libtool 1.42 > Tried cding to /opt/kde3/kdesupport and doing the following. > No go as you can see, so what is it I am not doing wrong, why cant it find > autoconf. It just will not get past the first stage, so I cannot carry on. > Keith What does autoconf --version say? And how did you upgrade autoconf? I did the following.. 1) Got the PLD Linux rpm autoconf-2.52-7.noarch.rpm from rpmfind.net 2) Got the gettext-0.10.39-3.i386.rpm from Caldera's 3.1.1 ftp site (I'm basically running 3.1 not 3.1.1) and installed that. 3) rpm -Uvh --nodeps --force autoconf-2.52-7.noarch.rpm Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Sunday 10 March 2002 10:43 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > Any way re the recompile of kde3, big changes have take place. I was > talking with Pam Roberts and it seems that first up the compile has changed > enough to this: > > #1 You _NEED_ to upgrade to autoconf 2.52, automake 1.5 and libtool 1.4 Seems that you don't need to upgrade automake for the time being anyway, I'm using 1.4 without any problems/ But, if you've been compiling kde3 from cvs before it looks like you have to start again from scratch - remove all the old kde3 executables and do make clean on every module. Fun Fun Fun Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Sunday 10 March 2002 10:03 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:26 pm, you wrote: > > Your reccomendations grandma please > I have d/l both rc2 and cvs should I use the cvs with kdesupport or go with > RC2 and use support from cvs with that ?? AFAIK RC2 was actually broken until about 24 hours ago. I would go with cvs (that's what I am doing myself) but bear in mind that for both RC2 and cvs you need to have updated autoconf etc. See below for more information about this. That admin/libtool update Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:18:07 +0100 (MET) From: Michael Matz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, If answering bear in mind, I don't read kde-devel@, so either include me directly, or use kde-core-devel@. short version: * get autoconf 2.52, automake 1.5 if you don't have them already * rm -rf $buildir (1) * make -f Makefile.cvs * (cd $builddir; $srcdir/configure $kdeconfoptions; make; make install) alternative to (1) without guarantees: * rm $builddir/config.cache * find $builddir -name '*.la' | xargs rm * find $builddir -type f -perm 755 | xargs rm long version: the last days there was some heat on the lists about the recent libtool update. My mail to kde-core and kde-solaris/nonunix obviously wasn't enough, and I can understand people seeing it like this. I should have mentioned, that it requires autoconf 2.5x. That it will need relinking everything is something which I considered immediately clear, but obviously I was wrong in that respect. I'm sorry I didn't send out a mail explaining it in excruciating detail when I commited it, but at that time I could barely walk straight, not because of the amount of alcohol I usually need before working on libtool (read my poem regarding that on a former update of libtool on kde-cvs@), but because of not sleeping for 36 hours or so, after an active week. That's the reason I also wasn't available yesterday, so I couldn't react sooner. Anyway we (I) had good reasons to not only update libtool, but also put it into the release candidate. Please do not think we made this decision lightly. The libtool we were using was based on a discontinued version of libtool, which never has seen a release. Not only that, it also was heavily changed for KDE. This became more and more of a burden. One reason is, that we couldn't incorporate easily changes from the libtool maintainers (because they are working on a completely different code base), another reason is that we were getting bugreports, which couldn't be easily forwarded to the libtool guys. The reason for really really wanting it in the release candidate should be obvious: more testing. As it also changes some bits in the built libraries we don't want such an update in some minor version, so KDE 4 would be the next opportunity. Until then it probably would've broke apart. So the time was pressing. Eventual build bugs can be fixed the next week, even without needing a new release candidate (that's currently only my opinion, but I think Dirk will agree). Now to the technical side. The current system is known to work with autoconf 2.52 and automake 1.5 on linux. For automake 1.4 I installed a hack, so that seems to work too. automake 2.53 gives strange warnings which are not caused by us, at least that's my current belief. automake 1.6 isn't tested by me (was just released some days ago), but reported to have issues. Those things I will investigate. Some months ago I considered to "port" the then current libtool back to autoconf 2.13, but never really did the work, partly because it's not really usefull, as 2.5x is widely available, but see below. For rebuilding: either start completely from scratch, or remove (in the builddir) all .la files and all executables. Remove config.cache, Make Makefile.cvs, reconfigure, rebuild. Done. There was a small time window where kdesupport was broken, just at the time libtool was updated. If you get strange warnings about libxml.la or libxslt.la, update kdesupport and rebuild. autoconf/automake are development tools. They are not needed for those downloading tarballs/snapshots or release candidates. I.e. they are needed only for developers. I expected developers to be able to update two stinky packages on their own. There are other projects which have much stricter prerequisits, than just some version of autoconf/make released a long time ago. Sorry, but I can't resist to say: If you fear about "updating you operating system" (although I find it strange that someone believes to have to update a system for a package), then for gods sake, just install that tool into /usr/local, which is even how it installs itself by default. Or to be really really sure, into $HOME/install. That way it can't disrupt anything. That being said yesterday coolo installed a hack for all who didn't want to update auto*. Please be aware, that this will not la
Re: compiling kde3
On Sunday 10 March 2002 8:08 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Sunday 10 March 2002 05:26 pm, you wrote: > > Pam > > see there is a kdesupport in the unsatble cvs, should I use that ?? just to > a normal configure make with that one ? That will certainly work if you have updated autoconf etc., I don't know otherwise but you could give it a try ;-) Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: compiling kde3
On Sunday 10 March 2002 6:04 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Sunday 10 March 2002 02:32 pm, you wrote: > > I have libxml2.so linked to libxml2.so.2.4.1 in /opt/kde2/lib > > Yes I did that, but that was not what stopped me, got confused on what I > was installing. I had to install libxslt 1.0.7 or better for the kdelibs > help, did that but kde still would not see it. > > > I've been able to compile KDE3 from CVS, but haven't tried in in 4 or 5 > > weeks, but I seem to recall needing to compile kdesupport from CVS. I > > mostly followed the instructions on the KDE web site. I'd dig up the > > link, but it's late here and I'm about done for the night :-( > > No what I did I downloaded the rc1 which went up last Tuesday I think. > Did follow the instructions but it karks it with cannot find: -lpcre : have > no idea where to find this, locate cannot see it but can find a pcre. What > is significant with the -l part. You neeed to compile the kdesupport package first, it contains up to date versions of libpcre, libxml and libxslt. In fact the order for compiling things has changed a bit, it is now kdesupport arts kdelibs kdebase kdeaddons ... > > Hell! I went to check and RC2 is now up there, too damd quick I think that > the final witll be in the next 10days. > RC2 is strange - it is there but they are still bugfixes going in to it, so you may want to wait for the official release announcement to make sure you get the best possible. And there is another gotcha, you now need to have upgraded autoconf to at least 2.5, libtool to 1.4.2 and some people say that automake should be >= 1.5 although I am still using 1.4 without any apparent problems so far. Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Kill Something That Won't Kill
On Saturday 23 February 2002 4:23 pm, Michael Hipp wrote: > Thanks. But the ones I'm after don't have a window. They're from the cli. > > Lee wrote: > > Place mouse arrow on the window you want to shutdown. Hit and hold Ctrl, > > Alt, Esc. The mouse cursor turns into a skull and cross bones. Hit the > > left hand mouse button. Zip, Band, Gone! > > > > Lee > > > > Michael Hipp wrote: > > > I should remember this, but how do you kill a process that won't die > > > via the "kill pid" command? I think this is the zombie process issue?? > > > kill -9 msoft ?? Pam -- Linux Step by Step (UK mirror): http://www.pam.roberts.btinternet.co.uk/sxs/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
