Re: Star Office 7
Tom Wilson wrote: On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 21:16, Chong Yu Meng wrote: Bruce Marshall wrote: Well gee... I guess at 65 and having bought from Sun, I feel 2. times better than you do... :-) That's amazing ! I thought most of the people on this list were in their 30's, because you guys sound so young ! I'm probably the youngest here, I expect (I'm 34). But I am also very aware of time being in short supply , but money is also one of my main worries! Regards, pascal chong Not quite the youngest. I'm coming in at 33. And I've seen Net Llama mention he is in his 20's, maybe 26. There are a few of us youngun's out here. I think I got you all beat- I turned 18 just over 2 months ago ;) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.
Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, tried to load SuSe 8.2 on a P 150MHZ with 80MB ram and a 4GB hard disk ... needless to say, WAY OVERKILL for the poor old machine. Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) This machine, is more or less, going to be a Terminal on steriods. Needs to have a desktop, and I need to have Open Office on it. I'd say go for Slackware. It doesn't include OpenOffice, but it runs it just fine plus it's relatively optimized. If not Slackware, Debian (unless you're willing to waste your time compiling Gentoo ;)) Slackware does contain most of the WMs you might want to try out, plus I love the speed of the installer (yeah I know the others have text-mode installers, I just haven't used them because I've only installed stuff on fast machines. But really, a complete install of Redhat took 4 hrs. on one machine, whereas a complete install of Slackware on the same machine took 1 hr. plus configuration). Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
One Slackware Issue
Hi all, Slackware is running almost nicely on my friend's machine now- everything works except when I logout from KDE, Gnome, etc. the entire thing locks up and the only way to fix it is with a hard reboot. This is with XFree 4.3, kernels 2.4.22-xfs, and the latest Gentoo gs-sources, 2.4.23_pre7-gss. I've got it set up to boot to runlevel 4 (graphical mode, with GDM- KDM gives me the same trouble, so it seems it's X or kernel at fault), as there's absolutely no way my friend would be able to figure out logging in from a command line. I've googled to no avail. Any ideas? Thanks! Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test7-bk3 #2 Tue Oct 14 21:20:43 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 09:41:16 up 11:17, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.10 Marge: We're just going to have to cut down on luxuries. Homer: Well, you know, we're always buying Maggie vaccinations for diseases she doesn't even have. Lisa's Pony ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: One Slackware Issue
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 11:40 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:38:35 -0400 Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Slackware is running almost nicely on my friend's machine now- everything works except when I logout from KDE, Gnome, etc. the entire thing locks up and the only way to fix it is with a hard reboot. This is with XFree 4.3, kernels 2.4.22-xfs, and the latest Gentoo gs-sources, 2.4.23_pre7-gss. I've got it set up to boot to runlevel 4 (graphical mode, with GDM- KDM gives me the same trouble, so it seems it's X or kernel at fault), as there's absolutely no way my friend would be able to figure out logging in from a command line. I've googled to no avail. Any ideas? Using USB mice? I had a very strange thing happen with XFree 4.3 and USB mice. The xdm (kdm or whatever - tried all) takes very long to show up both at system boot and between logins. You get a black screen for a long time. I could never figure this out. Then, we changed to a non-USB mouse for some reason, and the apparent hangings went away. The USB mouse had been working fine up to the upgrade to XFree 4.3. I saw nothing in any logs. Just a very long wait for something. Nope, just the touchpad.. and it's only happening on logout- and not just a long wait. Just a dead machine. -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test7-bk3 #2 Tue Oct 14 21:20:43 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 11:53:13 up 13:29, 3 users, load average: 0.32, 0.17, 0.12 We were so poor we couldn't afford a watchdog. If we heard a noise at night, we'd bark ourselves. -- Crazy Jimmy ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Solved Re: One Slackware Issue
Ooops! Thanks Gentoo, for having a great bugs.gentoo.org! Found a link on a bug report on the same sort of problem there to a fix on bugs.xfree86.org And now I can truly enjoy Slackware on this little machine until my friend picks it up... -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test7-bk3 #2 Tue Oct 14 21:20:43 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 17:40:51 up 19:16, 3 users, load average: 0.16, 0.28, 0.31 BOFH Excuse #101: Collapsed Backbone ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: One Slackware Issue
On Wednesday 22 October 2003 11:00 pm, Myles Green wrote:
Just out of interest's sake, what was the solution if you don't mind?
It was a bug in XFree with Radeon DRI-
diff -p -u -r1.32 radeon_dri.c
--- programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_dri.c2003/02/19 09:17:30
1.32
+++ programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/drivers/ati/radeon_dri.c2003/03/17 01:43:24
@@ -1585,6 +1585,7 @@ void RADEONDRICloseScreen(ScreenPtr pScr
if (info-irq) {
drmCtlUninstHandler(info-drmFD);
info-irq = 0;
+ info-ModeReg.gen_int_cntl = 0;
}
/* De-allocate vertex buffers */
And believe it or not.. if I had discovered this bugfix a few months ago, he
would be running Gentoo.. (exact same trouble, I blamed it on XFree CVS and
KDE CVS which I foolishly had running on there - good enough for me, good
enough for him ;))
Bob Raymond
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23:09:58 up 1 day, 46 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.07, 0.19
BOFH Excuse #270:
Someone has messed up the kernel pointers
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I need a distro recommendation!
Hi, I'm installing Linux on a laptop for a friend - P4 1.8, 256 MB DDR, Radeon 7500, it's really a pretty nice laptop. Redhat hates it, it hates Redhat (countless bugs, sound-related, scanning-related, PPP related, etc. both in 9.0 and I even tried the latest Severn and I don't feel like squashing them). It did work just fine when I installed it on his desktop... but oh well. Gentoo takes way too long (he needs it by the end of next week, max, and what with package downloads on dialup.. yeah right) and he's pretty much computer illiterate. Mandrake just seems too Redhat-like for me, plus I'm getting unstability reports, but I'm willing to give it a try. Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Terence McCarthy wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP! Rehat is too buggy. Gentoo takes too long. Debian leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth. You don't want to pay for SuSE. You also want Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well) Why don't you try M$ Windows? (The only problem there is you will have to pay for it- but then, nothing in life is free) Terence ___ That's actually what I try to tell him (gasp!) as he's really about the most computer-illiterate person I've ever seen.. and Windows is already on there... but n.. he wants Linux... Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
David A. Bandel wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:20:23 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). Debian used to have only stable and unstable. Now, there's testing. Current packages, but not bleeding edge, also not as stale as stable. Also a few other non-official repositories have things like acrobat reader, kde-3.1.4, etc. SuSE I'd rather not pay for, and neither would he. Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Ever a good choice, but harder to keep current. Wish list: apt-get for slackware (slack-get? apt-slack? apt-ware?). Honestly I don't care about *his* ability to keep it terribly current.. as he won't, even if it's easy (that's why I was willing to put Gentoo on it). He's actually able to figure out Synaptic on the Redhat installation on his desktop... maybe I ought to bite the bullet and try Debian again... Thanks! Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Myles Green wrote: I belive it was Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote: snippage Slackware looks like my best option right now... as I've got the Slackware LiveCD loaded on there right now, and it's really fast and really nice looking (it's actually faster than Redhat was running off the disk). Any reason why I shouldn't use slackware or I should use one of the others I've listed (or ones I've forgotten to list?) Ease of use after installation, lack of show-stopping bugs (i.e. no workarounds just to get on the web to get mail- we had that with Redhat on the laptop), and fast setup are of main importance (oh yeah.. free as well). It sounds like you've made your choice already. Add SWARET to keep it (Slackware) updated and you're all set. Although, if he really is computer illiterate you'd best make sure *everything* is set up before turning him loose with it, otherwise you'll run the risk of turning him off of Linux. Slackware can be hard on newbies, or so I'm told (it was my first distro and I still use it shrug). Or, as someone else suggested, leave Windows on it ;o) Well.. He does have some Linux experience to the point that he can use it just like he uses Windows without fear of the thing crashing... SWARET looks pretty cool... if I could train him to use the command line (as it is he gets hung up about the domain/login stuff that appears before the # or $...) He won't be turned off of the OS even though some people unfortunately should be. Do you know if it's possible to use a GUI (actual GUI.. gswaret looks nice but it's still kinda textish) with SWARET? If you can, then Slackware is definitely going on there instead of Debian (as Synaptic is a great little tool). Thanks Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Leon A. Goldstein wrote: Bob Raymond wrote inter alia: Debian... I'm also willing to try it... but I just have a bad taste in my mouth after the last time I tried it (though that was several years ago- I just hated having to wait for up to date versions to make it into stable, which I'm definitely going to be using on someone else's machine). You can download a free copy of Libranet 2.7 and try it. No telling if it will run your sound though. Libranet 2.8/2.8.1 added ALSA. Well... Intel I810 sound works with OSS.. but one of my big gripes with Redhat was that it didn't have ALSA, so sound kept cutting out all the time at first. I don't particularly like admin'ing his machine when I have a million of my own things to be doing, so since Slackware and Debian seem to have ALSA for free, plus from what I've read (and seen in the case of Debian with that ancient Potato) they seem to be really stable, I'll give them a try first. Thanks tho Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need a distro recommendation!
Chong Yu Meng wrote: Robert E. Raymond wrote: Terence McCarthy wrote: Rehat is too buggy. I'm using Red Hat 9.0 on my laptop. I have to admit that if you're installing Red Hat, it can be a real pain ! The reasons are : 1. Mozilla -- If you want the latest, you will have problems with Flash (the one from Macromedia did not work when I tried it some months back. May be fixed by now though) and Java (Using Sun, Blackdown or IBM? Remember that for the Plug-In to work, you need the glibc 3.x compiled version-- that rules out IBM, and you may need to add LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 as an environment variable) Yup, I see this. I didn't have any problem getting the 1.4 RPM from rawhide working on either the laptop or the destkop, but he still doesn't have java on his desktop ;) 2. KDE 3.x -- better have 512 MB RAM or more installed. Red Hat can be a slug if you use this. I use XFCE4 instead (but that adds a whole different set of problems) I'm all for using XFCE myself on a slower machine, but he's used to KDE so I'm forced to give him that. GNOME would be ok, but he uses KPPP (I can't change too much or he'll be phoning me daily- how do i do this, how do I do that). His desktop is very fast with KDE and Redhat because I insisted he get 512 MB of RAM. He's being cheap right now, not to mention he lacks time to get more for the laptop. 3. Fonts -- yeah, it looks really crappy when you first install Red Hat. Better get the Subpixel font positioning thing working, or reduce the size till Anti-Alising doesn't kick in, but it fonts don't look jaggy or blurry. Believe it or not, the fonts looked great! Maybe it's the 1400x1050 res. tho... All that being said, what I'm going to say may surprise you -- I'm actually beginning to like Red Hat. A lot ! You'll need to do a lot of tinkering (but that has been my experience for most Linux distros I've used, except for OpenLinux), and you should factor in at least 1 week to get it installed and tuned just so. But once you work out the kinks --and assuming that you've documented everything -- you can do your next install in under 30 minutes (Minimal install) and all the tuning and stuff can be finished in about 3 to 4 hours (download, install and use apt-get for Red Hat!). Unlike Windows 2000 Professional, which took me an entire DAY AND A HALF to finish installing because of all the patches and crap. The scary thing is, the more you patch, the slower it gets. Sure it's stable, but it's like watching your Pentium 4 PC degenerate to a 486 before your eyes as you put in patch after patch after patch.My laptop is running Red Hat, and even after upgrading the kernel, putting 2 instances of Apache, one database, one app server and one IDE, it still works pretty fast. And it's a Celeron. Yah.. XP is pretty darn slow on both his machines... fast on mine.. but then I'm better at keeping it running smoothly and not installing everything in sight when I get a new piece of low quality hardware because it's cheap (oh yeah, don't do that either, no wonder I don't have all sorts of bugs cropping up). But you'll still need the 1 week familiarization with Red Hat for the initial install. Well.. I'm having my father download Slackware on Monday when he gets back to his high speed connection at work... Debian I'd do, but I can't figure out which CDs I truly need and there are 9! to choose from. Thanks! Bob Raymond Regards, pascal chong ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: PDF Viewers?
On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 23:19, Ian Stephen wrote: On Wed, 2003-09-24 at 13:23, Robert E. Raymond wrote: Does anyone know of a viewer in Linux that supports these comments, Dunno if (in Linux) it supports these comments, but how 'bout Adobe Acrobat Reader http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Under Platform choose Linux Could also try educating the instructor. I had one who was sending Word docs and with a bit of discussion switched to using html. IanS Nope, I already have 5.08 here, which doesn't support the comments found in PDF 1.5 (it's just PDF 1.4, Acrobat 6 is 1.5, as someone on the Gentoo Users forum pointed out to me). Actually, I don't see anything wrong with them sending PDFs- last year they did send DOC files. I suppose they figure that if I can send them PDFs they can send me fancy ones back... ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
PDF Viewers?
Hi all, A class I'm taking requires that my PDF viewer be able to view comments that the instructor places inside the PDF file. Acrobat Reader 6 in Windows works just fine at viewing these comments (which appear usually as tooltips when I hover over them, or highlighted areas), but nothing in Linux (I've tried XPDF, Gnome PDF viewer, and kghostview, which show the PDF as it would look with zero comments, i.e. how I sent a PDF to them that I created from a LaTeX file, and also acrobat reader 5.08, which shows yellow highlighting with no text underneath and also won't show any of the tooltip type comments). Does anyone know of a viewer in Linux that supports these comments, or should I just go make Wine compile and try to run Acrobat Reader 6 under that? Thanks, Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Video card
On Sunday 31 August 2003 07:52 am, joel wrote: Any recommendations for a video card. I play games occasionally. Thanks, Joel ATI makes some good ones, but it seems that their Linux 3D support always comes late. The Radeon 9600 is their most advanced with 3D linux support at this point, though I'd say it's a better card for an occasional gamer than the 9700 or the 9800 anyway. NVidia does have the advantage of binary drivers for all of their cards, and they're also really good for gaming. Maybe the GeforceFX 5200 would be a good one (and if you're not wanting to spend so much money, last year's Geforce4 Ti4600 might be a good choice). Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test4 #1 Mon Aug 25 06:49:22 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 08:25:28 up 11:54, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.12 This cultural mystique surrounding the biological function -- you realize humans are overly preoccupied with the subject. -- Kelinda the Kelvan, By Any Other Name, stardate 4658.9 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat 9's great, RPM not so
On Thursday 28 August 2003 03:01 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:21:17 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I finally gave up on Gentoo for my pianist's computer today and installed Redhat 9. It's currently reminding me why I don't use an RPM based distro myself, though it is pretty nice and once I get a few things fixed it will be great for my pianist (for one he needs a GUI for just about everything and Gentoo doesn't provide that). Of course Gentoo does not have an ebuild for everything under the sun. What types of things are missing that cause a problem? Just curious. You are not limited from installing RPMs on Gentoo. Dependencies could probably be a hassle, but they are on a pure RPM system (wherever those may exist). It's not the apps available- it's the system setup/maintenance stuff that he needs a GUI for. Gentoo's great for me, because I know what a command line is. -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test4 #1 Mon Aug 25 06:49:22 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 19:19:21 up 7 min, 1 user, load average: 1.12, 0.94, 0.44 Life is divided into the horrible and the miserable. -- Woody Allen, Annie Hall ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat 9's great, RPM not so
On Friday 29 August 2003 02:38 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 19:20:34 -0400 Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 28 August 2003 03:01 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 02:21:17 + Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I finally gave up on Gentoo for my pianist's computer today and installed Redhat 9. It's currently reminding me why I don't use an RPM based distro myself, though it is pretty nice and once I get a few things fixed it will be great for my pianist (for one he needs a GUI for just about everything and Gentoo doesn't provide that). Of course Gentoo does not have an ebuild for everything under the sun. What types of things are missing that cause a problem? Just curious. You are not limited from installing RPMs on Gentoo. Dependencies could probably be a hassle, but they are on a pure RPM system (wherever those may exist). It's not the apps available- it's the system setup/maintenance stuff that he needs a GUI for. Gentoo's great for me, because I know what a command line is. Have you tried kportage? I have. Again, not enough like Windows Update in the Ease of Use department... Redhat's nice in that it's got the 'RedHat update utility' for getting security updates... as long as I put a web browser, office suite, and DVD player on that doesn't crash he should be happy... not everyone needs the latest versions ;) Redhat's slower than Gentoo by default because it's not compiled with the same optimizations... but its' still way faster than Win32 so I really can't complain. (not to mention it's getting the computer out of my house a lot faster). -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test4 #1 Mon Aug 25 06:49:22 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 06:48:30 up 2 min, 1 user, load average: 0.59, 0.33, 0.12 The box said Requires Windows 95 or better. I can't understand why it won't work on my Linux computer. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat 9's great, RPM not so
On Friday 29 August 2003 10:46 am, Tim Wunder wrote: Hey! I sure hope you don't mean that all RH-users are unsophisticated users... FWIW apt for rpm and synaptic provide nice GUI front-ends to RPM... http://freshrpms.net/apt/ Regards, Tim Oh, there's definitely plenty of sophisticated redhat users- but a guy who practices and teaches piano 12 hours a day is rarely one of them (I practice violin and viola only 6 hours a day so I have time to know what a command line is). I've got apt on there now.. I'll check out synaptic ;) -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.6.0-test4 #1 Mon Aug 25 06:49:22 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 10:54:18 up 3:20, 1 user, load average: 0.12, 0.27, 0.18 There are no rules for March. March is spring, sort of, usually, March means maybe, but don't bet on it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Redhat 9's great, RPM not so
Hi all I finally gave up on Gentoo for my pianist's computer today and installed Redhat 9. It's currently reminding me why I don't use an RPM based distro myself, though it is pretty nice and once I get a few things fixed it will be great for my pianist (for one he needs a GUI for just about everything and Gentoo doesn't provide that). Here's the issue: It's with RPM- Any time I do anything RPM related (be it installing a new one, running rpmdb --initdb gives it too (thought that might be the issue, but I've not used RPM in at least a year)) I get this: (this one specifically from rpmdb --initdb) rpmdb: unable to join the environment error: db4 error(11) from dbenv-open: Resource temporarily unavailable error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Resource temporarily unavailable (11) Similar stuff occurs when I'm trying to install an RPM. This is an SGI-installer based Redhat 9, no updates, etc. (partly because the system is currently modemless due to the many recent thunderstorms). Any ideas of what I could do to fix RPM? TIA Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Redhat 9's great, RPM not so
Net Llama! wrote: On 08/27/03 19:21, Robert E. Raymond wrote: Hi all I finally gave up on Gentoo for my pianist's computer today and installed Redhat 9. It's currently reminding me why I don't use an RPM based distro myself, though it is pretty nice and once I get a few things fixed it will be great for my pianist (for one he needs a GUI for just about everything and Gentoo doesn't provide that). Here's the issue: It's with RPM- Any time I do anything RPM related (be it installing a new one, running rpmdb --initdb gives it too (thought that might be the issue, but I've not used RPM in at least a year)) I get this: (this one specifically from rpmdb --initdb) rpmdb: unable to join the environment error: db4 error(11) from dbenv-open: Resource temporarily unavailable error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - Resource temporarily unavailable (11) Similar stuff occurs when I'm trying to install an RPM. This is an SGI-installer based Redhat 9, no updates, etc. (partly because the system is currently modemless due to the many recent thunderstorms). Any ideas of what I could do to fix RPM? Google is your friend: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8safe=offthreadm=3E7A9E20.4000908%40togami.com.lucky.linux.kernelrnum=1prev=/groups%3Fas_epq%3Drpmdb%253A%2520unable%2520to%2520join%2520the%2520environment%2520%26safe%3Doff%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26lr%3D%26num%3D50%26hl%3Den Thanks guys, that did the trick (/me scurries off into corner and reminds self to use google next time) ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Grub config witih SCSI
Hi all, I'm trying to configure GRUB to boot XP (dual boot with Gentoo). I'm not sure what's quite wrong with my config and it's probably something very simple. Disk config is: /dev/sda: Linux sda1: boot (ext3) sda2: root (xfs) sda3: swap /dev/sdb: Windows sdb1: NTFS The disk mounts ok. Windows also boots when I disconnect /dev/sda. Linux is booting as that's what I'm writing this in 3rd disk will be FreeBSD and it's /dev/hda, and not formatted yet. Here's my menu.lst: default 0 timeout 15 splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz title=Gentoo Linux root (hd0,0) kernel (hd0,0)/boot/bzImage-2.4.21-ac root=/dev/sda2 hdc=ide-scsi vga=794 title=Windows XP root (hd1,0) chainloader +1 Anyone know what might need to be changed? (and yes I've checked out the SxS and everything seems to be fine. It might be because I'm very very new to SCSI) TIA, Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.4.21-rc1-ac4 #1 Mon May 12 12:35:35 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 13:09:44 up 15:48, 2 users, load average: 0.19, 0.13, 0.14 System going down at 1:45 this afternoon for disk crashing. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Grub config witih SCSI
On Thursday 29 May 2003 11:18 pm, Shawn Tayler wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2003 13:15:05 -0400 Robert E. Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed: The disk mounts ok. Windows also boots when I disconnect /dev/sda. Linux is booting as that's what I'm writing this in 3rd disk will be FreeBSD and it's /dev/hda, and not formatted yet. Here's my menu.lst:\ I believe the issue may be that Windblows doesn't like to boot from anything but the first hard drive Just a guess... stayler I doubt that's it... I've had Windows as /dev/hdb and Linux as /dev/hda with no problems before This might not be happening if I hadn't issued the mkfs.xfs command to the wrong boot partition when I was transferring data to the new disks.. Thanks though, Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.4.21-rc1-ac4 #1 Mon May 12 12:35:35 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 00:38:43 up 1 day, 3:17, 2 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.08 Remember to say hello to your bank teller. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Java problem
On Sunday 30 March 2003 01:28 am, Joel Hammer wrote: Does anybody get this link to work properly in linux? http://www.ghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/temperature/ Even with my new lindows box and netscape, this link performs poorly. I would like to know if anybody using linux can navigate this page properly. It displays almost OK in XP, but some buttons don't seem too work well and overall this page is a bit of a pain to navigate in any OS for me. Joel Hmmm... works ok here with Konqueror from today's KDE CVS, blackdown jdk 1.4.1, and my freshly compiled 2.5.66-ac1 (hmm.. just noticed.. looks like alan's been forgetting to change kernel number lately- 2.5.65-ac3 got called -ac2...) all on Gentoo, however the numbers of the years do seem to be a bit squished together. All buttons work tho. Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX 2.5.65-ac4 #1 Sat Mar 29 12:12:41 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 01:38:36 up 9:18, 2 users, load average: 0.67, 0.46, 0.33 I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment. -- Gotama Buddha ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 02:31 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: On Tuesday 25 March 2003 07:38 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2003 22:14:38 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Last week there was a thread on the Linux kernel mailng list comparing XFS, reiserFS ext3: http://kt.zork.net/kernel-traffic/latest.html#13 looks like ext3 came in last, resierFS first, XFS in the middle. shameless plug Linux on XFS is now our standard deployment model, replacing RS/6000 hardware and AIX operating systems. Ext3 just couldn't cut it in the stability tests, and was way behind in performance and features. /shameless plug Here's another interesting read from Andrew Klaassen to the XFS list. (ReiserFS not included in this one) Anyone care to comment on how difficult it is to install XFS on, say, a 2.4.13 kernel? Is it realistic to install it on a 2.4 series kernel? Alternatively, use the 2.5.xx series. XFS support is built-in :D yea, but then he's really playing with fire. I've been using only 2.5.xx since mid-October. No data loss or anything major- finally have USB again after some issues with ACPI, APIC, and VIA's odd implementation. Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.5.65-ac3 #3 Mon Mar 24 00:13:31 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 14:59:48 up 1 day, 14:43, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.32, 0.28 No, I do not know what the Schadenfreude is. Please tell me, because I'm dying to know. -- Homer Simpson When Flanders Failed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 03:20 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: I've been using only 2.5.xx since mid-October. No data loss or anything major- finally have USB again after some issues with ACPI, APIC, and VIA's odd implementation. I'll admit i've never played with 2.5.x. I've heard/read that it uses a different kernel configuration mechanism (not xconfig/menuconfig??). is this the case? if so, could you elaborate on how building a kernel differes with 2.5.x? maybe a short SxS for folks who are experienced building 2.4.x kernels? I'll consider that but I can just highlight the differences here: Menuconfig and xconfig are still present in 2.5.x. Menuconfig really hasn't changed much. A few menus, such as the input device section have been changed somewhat, mainly to add more options. Xconfig is *very* different, and I guess I could take a look at it (I've been using menuconfig only for who knows how long). Should be pretty easy for anyone to figure out, tho it does seem to have a qt dependence now. As of maybe around 2.5.6x, make dep is no longer needed, and the instructions say to 'make bzImage' after you get done saving your config. I tend to run 'make modules' anyway, and this builds most of the compiled in stuff anyway, tho make bzImage still needs to be run. Also you get to replace modutils with module-init-tools. It will keep your old modutils for easy swapping between 2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels.. I think it renames the files to *.old or something. I've not bothered saving them because 2.4.x doesn't like my highpoint 374 for some reason. Is that enough, or should I go ahead and write an SxS? Bob Raymond ~~ Lonni J Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMohttp://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.5.65-ac3 #3 Mon Mar 24 00:13:31 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 16:16:01 up 1 day, 15:59, 2 users, load average: 0.61, 0.62, 0.40 Merchant: Sir, I must strongly advise you, do not purchase this. Behind every wish lurks grave misfortune. I, myself, was one president of Algeria. Homer: C'mon, pal, I don't want to hear your life story! Paw me. Treehouse of Horror II ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 04:52 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: On Tuesday 25 March 2003 03:20 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: I've been using only 2.5.xx since mid-October. No data loss or anything major- finally have USB again after some issues with ACPI, APIC, and VIA's odd implementation. I'll admit i've never played with 2.5.x. I've heard/read that it uses a different kernel configuration mechanism (not xconfig/menuconfig??). is this the case? if so, could you elaborate on how building a kernel differes with 2.5.x? maybe a short SxS for folks who are experienced building 2.4.x kernels? I'll consider that but I can just highlight the differences here: Menuconfig and xconfig are still present in 2.5.x. Menuconfig really hasn't changed much. A few menus, such as the input device section have been changed somewhat, mainly to add more options. Xconfig is *very* different, and I guess I could take a look at it (I've been using menuconfig only for who knows how long). Should be pretty easy for anyone to figure out, tho it does seem to have a qt dependence now. Qt dependency?? eeek. what kind of crack was Linus smoking when he blessed that change? good ole tk/tcl always worked well, especially on leaner systems. *sigh* Ah, not quite true.. From the configs' 'Shared Makefile: # conf: Used for defconfig, oldconfig and related targets # mconf: Used for the mconfig target. # Utilizes the lxdialog package # qconf: Used for the xconfig target # Based on QT which needs to be installed to compile it # gconf: Used for the gconfig target # Based on GTK which needs to be installed to compile it So maybe no tcl/tk anymore. Menuconfig's plenty good enough tho. As of maybe around 2.5.6x, make dep is no longer needed, and the instructions say to 'make bzImage' after you get done saving your config. I tend to run 'make modules' anyway, and this builds most of the compiled in stuff anyway, tho make bzImage still needs to be run. err...'make modules' or 'make dep'?0 I no longer run make dep. The output after menuconfig is: *** End of Linux kernel configuration. *** Check the top-level Makefile for additional configuration. *** Next, you may run 'make bzImage', 'make bzdisk', or 'make install'. I tend to run make modules out of habit. Entering 'make dep' gives me ***Warning: make dep is unnecessary now. Also you get to replace modutils with module-init-tools. It will keep your old modutils for easy swapping between 2.4.x and 2.5.x kernels.. I think it renames the files to *.old or something. I've not bothered saving them because 2.4.x doesn't like my highpoint 374 for some reason. so module-init-tools is backwards compatible with 2.4.x kernel builds, or does this basically require you to keep both modutils module-init-tools on the system if you wish to build both 2.4.x 2.5.x kernels? You have to have both, as modutils appears to be a dependency for module-init-tools, however module-init-tools has the extra functionality that 2.5.48 kernels and above need. Is that enough, or should I go ahead and write an SxS? personally, i'd still like a real SxS, if you don't mind, and have the time. thanks! Will do. Bob Raymond -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.5.65-ac3 #3 Mon Mar 24 00:13:31 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 17:20:03 up 1 day, 17:03, 2 users, load average: 0.22, 0.22, 0.14 You will be awarded some great honor. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: XFS, ReiserFS, And ext3 Comparisons
On Tuesday 25 March 2003 05:39 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Robert E. Raymond wrote: As of maybe around 2.5.6x, make dep is no longer needed, and the instructions say to 'make bzImage' after you get done saving your config. I tend to run 'make modules' anyway, and this builds most of the compiled in stuff anyway, tho make bzImage still needs to be run. err...'make modules' or 'make dep'?0 I no longer run make dep. The output after menuconfig is: *** End of Linux kernel configuration. *** Check the top-level Makefile for additional configuration. *** Next, you may run 'make bzImage', 'make bzdisk', or 'make install'. I tend to run make modules out of habit. Entering 'make dep' gives me ***Warning: make dep is unnecessary now. i'm still confused here. why are you running 'make modules' when the next step is 'make bzImage'? Habit. It works, so I do it. My order is generally 'make modules' 'make modules_install' 'make bzImage' -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.5.65-ac3 #3 Mon Mar 24 00:13:31 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 17:57:50 up 1 day, 17:41, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.25 Murphy was an optimist. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: DRI anyone?
On Monday 10 March 2003 03:40, Jerry McBride wrote: On Sun, 09 Mar 2003 17:43:12 -0800 Ted Ozolins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you were to run glxinfo it lists that dri=yes ? and what kind of fps are you getting with glxgears -time ? Here's what I see for a Radeon 8500le 64meg: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 4x x86/MMX/3DNow!/SSE TCL And it gives me: 11058 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2211.400 FPS I'm curious as to what options you have in your XF86Config, and whether SSE really makes that much of a difference: OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R200 20020827 AGP 4x x86/MMX/3DNow! TCL 9474 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1894.800 FPS ATI Radeon 8500 64MB Retail, which is supposedly faster (275/275 mhz instead of 250/250 or 230/230), XFree 4.3.0 Bob Raymond Section Device ### Available Driver options are:- ### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False, ### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz ### [arg]: arg optional #Option NoAccel # [bool] #Option SWcursor # [bool] #Option Dac6Bit # [bool] #Option Dac8Bit # [bool] #Option ForcePCIMode # [bool] #Option CPPIOMode # [bool] #Option CPusecTimeout # i Option AGPMode4 #Option AGPSize # i #Option RingSize # i #Option BufferSize# i #Option EnableDepthMoves # [bool] Option CrtScreen True #Option PanelSize # [str] #Option UseFBDev # [bool] Identifier Card0 Driver radeon VendorName ATI BoardNameRadeon 8500 QL BusID PCI:1:0:0: EndSection -- Linux EPoX.Linux.Raymond 2.5.64-ac3 #1 Sat Mar 8 11:54:30 UTC 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux 12:24:53 up 18 min, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.24, 0.13 Tobacco is a filthy weed, That from the devil does proceed; It drains your purse, it burns your clothes, And makes a chimney of your nose. -- B. Waterhouse ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
