RE: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
I've been told that a problem arises when you put a CD and HD on the same IDE bus. It seems that the CD uses 16 bit data transfer, and limits the bus to that. Even though the (newer) HDs use 32 bit they are limited by having the CD on the same bus. Leon A. Goldstein mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:05 PM: Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM should be slaved to the CD-RW. If you look at computers on sale in the various emporia, the CD-RW is the boot or master CDROM. In theory, Burn-Proof allows on-the-fly burning with the CDROM as master, and the CD-RW as slave, on the secondary IDE channel. As pointed out previously, SCSI burners avoid this IDE channel congestion. In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) Thomas A. Condon Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358 A Jester Unemployed ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
makes sense. On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 10:18:52 -0800 - Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: RE: CD burner write speed and cdrecord I've been told that a problem arises when you put a CD and HD on the same IDE bus. It seems that the CD uses 16 bit data transfer, and limits the bus to that. Even though the (newer) HDs use 32 bit they are limited by having the CD on the same bus. Leon A. Goldstein mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] typed thusly on Thursday, December 05, 2002 7:05 PM: Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Collins wrote: Anyway, the only reason I replied is to p---off the prima donas who only speak SCSI. huh?? -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:57:24 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X. I guess that explains my top speed of 32. It also depends on where the CD will be read. A CD written at a fast speed on one burner may be read ok there, but not on another. I always burn at 4x. This is perhaps conservative, but I am more interested that a customer can read the CD than that I can make it quickly. -- ++===+ | Roger Oberholtzer | E-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | | OPQ Systems AB | WWW: http://www.opq.se/ | | Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 |Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 | | 115 32 Stockholm | Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 | | Sweden | Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 | ++===+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:06 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! I have been burning with atapi scsi drives for 4 years without any problems or any coasters. The cd disk speed that is quoted for the disk bought needs to be adhered to though. Last week I did 100 copies of disks, no problems arose. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Thursday 05 December 2002 06:09 pm, Roger Oberholtzer espoused: On Wed, 4 Dec 2002 21:57:24 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X. I guess that explains my top speed of 32. It also depends on where the CD will be read. A CD written at a fast speed on one burner may be read ok there, but not on another. I always burn at 4x. This is perhaps conservative, but I am more interested that a customer can read the CD than that I can make it quickly. That used to be the case but in my experience not nowadys. I have used recently, sony 24x, cyberdrive 32x, lite-on and LG 40x and 48x, all burn with exactlink or some other burnproof firmware, that does not allow coasters. I am also now uing a Pioneer DVD burner and none of these have not been read in other machines; with the exception of very old cd readers, with out of line lasers or lasers of the wrong color or strength.. -- Keith Antoine (GANDALF) aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=192934 It's an HP 8X Write, 4X ReWrite, 32X Read Internal SCSI-2 CD-RW drive for PCs for $54.82. -- Andrew Mathews - 9:50am up 1 day, 23:11, 4 users, load average: 6.08, 6.41, 6.34 - Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? They ain't men... they are weenies... MicroSoft slugs that never ventured any farther than dos, windows, IDE and USB. And they ONLY sell what they know... Pity them, for they know not what they do... err... thye do what they know... SCSI interfaced cdroms do exist, are affordable and out perform IDE any day of the week... Visit pricewatch.com, enter an appropriate search and behold a plethora of SCSI devices. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net 1:04pm up 12 days, 14:47, 3 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Ease of use as in install and administer the devices - put it in, connect to a SCSI adapter and you're done. No messing with IRQs, etc., you can have more than four devices on the SCSI bus. As for performance the SCSI ones probably (but I haven't bench marked it so won't argure this one G.) run faster because SCSI is faster then IDE and they don't make as many coasters. I can burn on SCSI and do other things at the same time and not have problems. IDEs seem to figure in a lot of the problems that I see. On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 18:56:05 -0500 - Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote the following Re: Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord Ease of use as in install and administer the devices - put it in, connect to a SCSI adapter and you're done. No messing with IRQs, etc., you can have more than four devices on the SCSI bus. As for performance the SCSI ones probably (but I haven't bench marked it so won't argure this one G.) run faster because SCSI is faster then IDE and they don't make as many coasters. I can burn on SCSI and do other things at the same time and not have problems. IDEs seem to figure in a lot of the problems that I see. On Thursday 05 December 2002 01:53 pm, Brett I. Holcomb espoused: I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. I have never had any better performance from scsi burners than from ide, as for ease of use they are no different. -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM should be slaved to the CD-RW. If you look at computers on sale in the various emporia, the CD-RW is the boot or master CDROM. In theory, Burn-Proof allows on-the-fly burning with the CDROM as master, and the CD-RW as slave, on the secondary IDE channel. As pointed out previously, SCSI burners avoid this IDE channel congestion. -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.7 Debian Linux System 5WV271 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 22:04:56 -0500 Leon A. Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronnie Gauthier wrote: I know lots of the problems with IDE burning is the CD and HD being on the same ribbon, as well as in direct CD2CD with the CDburner and CDreader on the same ribbon. That is the problem with IDE burners. For on-the-fly burning at high speed the CDROM and CD-RW must be on separate IDE channels. If slaving a CD-RW to a hard drive is not acceptable, then the CDROM should be slaved to the CD-RW. If you look at computers on sale in the various emporia, the CD-RW is the boot or master CDROM. In theory, Burn-Proof allows on-the-fly burning with the CDROM as master, and the CD-RW as slave, on the secondary IDE channel. As pointed out previously, SCSI burners avoid this IDE channel congestion. Nobody with even a room-temperature IQ would ever claim that IDE is better than SCSI, but there are millions of PCs with IDE disks and IDE burners that work just fine if you avoid the obvious restrictions. I've never had SCSI anything and I've had quite good results (even on my old K6II-300 machine with a lamebrain HP burner (only at speed=2). (A side note, HP sells burners, but they don't put that POS in the PCs they sell!) Anyway, the only reason I replied is to p---off the prima donas who only speak SCSI. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Redhat 7.3 system ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
CD burner write speed and cdrecord
I am getting set to finally burn some cd's. I have a 48 speed CD-R drive. I have only a vague idea what that means. Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing: ==man cdrecord on speed speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you should try speed=0. =end man cdrecord on speed=== I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32. Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed? I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor. Any insight appreciated, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
I think you'll find that the 48 is the speed at which it reads. The unit writes at a slower speed - how slow depends on the unit itself (the bus it's on like IDE, SCSI, and how well made it is and the computer. Usually the write speed is lower like 1,2,8,12x. What is important is a speed at which it produces good CDs and this may be lower than what the vendor says is max spped. I am getting set to finally burn some cd's. I have a 48 speed CD-R drive. I have only a vague idea what that means. Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing: ==man cdrecord on speed speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you should try speed=0. =end man cdrecord on speed=== I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32. Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed? I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor. Any insight appreciated, Joel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Just for the record, The Sony 48x CR-R, 24x CR-RW, 48x CD-ROM (CRX215E1) works just fine in linux, at least with CD-R data and CD-ROM. I used the latest cdrtools (cdrecord, version 1.8 and mkisofs version 1.12.) It writes a cd (580 mbytes) in about 220 seconds or less with speed set to 40 and reported speed of 32. The StepByStep on burners is pretty complete. Some observations: Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. Although it took only about an hour or less to get it working in windows, the Sony supplied software was so GUIish it was awful to use. The command line cdrecord and mkisofs are a pleasure. The man documents are intimidating. They are well covered in: http://wt.xpilot.org/publications/linux/howtos/cd-writing/html/CD-Writing.html#toc3 And, linux is just more robust. Windows crashed once writing to this drive. Linux soldiered on burning at x32, even when a rogue top command was using up 95% or more of my cpu time and the mouse was virtually frozen. If you interrupt the program while it is burning, the drive seems to stay busy. Instead of rebooting, just unplug the power cord to the drive in the computer. Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 09:00:03PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: I am getting set to finally burn some cd's. I have a 48 speed CD-R drive. I have only a vague idea what that means. Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing: ==man cdrecord on speed speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you should try speed=0. =end man cdrecord on speed=== I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32. Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed? I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor. Any insight appreciated, Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating. On 12/04/02 18:06, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: I think you'll find that the 48 is the speed at which it reads. The unit writes at a slower speed - how slow depends on the unit itself (the bus it's on like IDE, SCSI, and how well made it is and the computer. Usually the write speed is lower like 1,2,8,12x. What is important is a speed at which it produces good CDs and this may be lower than what the vendor says is max spped. I am getting set to finally burn some cd's. I have a 48 speed CD-R drive. I have only a vague idea what that means. Here is a section of the man cdrecord regarding speed of writing: ==man cdrecord on speed speed = # Set the speed factor of the writing process to #. # is an integer, representing a multiple of the audio speed. This is about 150 KB/s for CD-ROM and about 172 KB/s for CD-Audio. If no speed option is present, cdrecord will try to get the speed value from the CDR_SPEED environment. If your drive has problems with speed=2 or speed=4, you should try speed=0. =end man cdrecord on speed=== I would appreciate and English translation and some suggestions for setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32. Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed? I have an 800megahertz Athlon processor. Any insight appreciated, Joel -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 6:35pm up 3 days, 4:03, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.12, 0.15 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
You are right. On the package it says: 1X to 32X. I guess that explains my top speed of 32. Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 06:39:54PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote: Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating. setting the speed parameter. If I understand this this means I can set the speed of writing to 48. When I crank up the speed, either to 40 or 50, cdrecord says it is writing at speed = 32. Does the type of disk (mfg or type) influence the top writing speed? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! Joel -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Thursday 05 December 2002 03:15 am, Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? No, the men in CompUSA and BestBuy do not exist. Of course SCSI CDROM's exist. I just can't afford a controller ;-) Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Of course they exist, but BestBuy CompUSA isn't where you go to find a decent selection of quality hardware. On 12/04/02 19:15, Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:20pm up 3 days, 4:48, 1 user, load average: 0.38, 0.24, 0.19 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them. I buy them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA can't be expected to know about them. The only reason they IDE is they've seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains. If you want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you do no one will know what it is. The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Indeed. SCSI hardware is traditionally used in servers. People don't purchase components for servers at BestBuy. Look on pricewatch.com or pricegrabber.com for good prices on namebrand components. On 12/04/02 19:24, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them. I buy them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA can't be expected to know about them. The only reason they IDE is they've seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains. If you want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you do no one will know what it is. The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? Joel On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:06:11PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Just for the record, Ahh.. The pain has stopped. It only took two short evenings to get this working under linux. The scsi stuff is a pain. Knowing how to use modules is a must. If I hadn't had to install a zip drive last year, another scsi pretender, I would have been a lot longer doing this. No - the psuedo scsi stuff is a pain G. Real SCSI just works G. Another reason I stick with real SCSI! -- ~ L. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo: http://netllama.ipfox.com 7:45pm up 3 days, 5:13, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.26, 0.13 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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I got so I used SCSI for my workstations. It was worth the extra cost to get the performance and ease of use. Indeed. SCSI hardware is traditionally used in servers. People don't purchase components for servers at BestBuy. Look on pricewatch.com or pricegrabber.com for good prices on namebrand components. On 12/04/02 19:24, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Yes, they do - check out Plextor for one, most others make them. I buy them for performance. However, morons such as work at BestBuy and CompUSA can't be expected to know about them. The only reason they IDE is they've seen it on enough boxes for it to sink into their little brains. If you want to find real equipment you won't find it at these places - or if you do no one will know what it is. The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 06:39:54PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote: Additionally the media you're burning to has a speed rating. Great point -- I've created more than a few coasters at work because I neglected to heed the speed rating of the blanks... Kurt -- Minnie Mouse is a slow maze learner. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 10:15:35PM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? The guys at BestBuy and CompUSA are idiots. SCSI CD-ROMs better exist, or a lot of workstations at my office don't... Kurt -- The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 07:21:24PM -0800, Net Llama! wrote: Of course they exist, but BestBuy CompUSA isn't where you go to find a decent selection of quality hardware. Or a decent selection of knowledgeable sales personnel. ;-) Kurt -- Ah say, son, you're about as sharp as a bowlin' ball. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CD burner write speed and cdrecord
On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 20:15, Joel Hammer wrote: The men in the computer store (BestBuy, CompuUSA), smile and shake their heads each time I ask about scsi cdrom's. Do they exist? Joel Plextor definitely has the best reputation, their latest scsi cdrw being a 12/10/32 or something like that and their scsi cdrom was 40x. HP, where you can still find their older scsi cdrw, had 12/8/32 that was available as either an internal or external unit. Yamaha makes a scsi 16/10/40 as either an internal or external. Recently Yamaha came out with scsi 48/24/48 or thereabouts. I have HP and Yamaha cdrw that are used in light to moderate burning (10 to 20 cd a month) and both brands have worked fine. If you are not looking for a burner, then consider the Toshiba sd-1401 a scsi dvd - 10x and cdrom - 40x, costs more than just a cdrom but great for loading the distro directly off of the DVD. This unit can be hard to find, but I did find another new one a few months ago. As others have already suggested try pricewatch, and also consider ebay if you are willing to play that game. Recently Plextor and Yamaha had refurbished scsi cdrw drives that were available at some of the sellers listed on pricewatch. -- Ralph Sanford - If your government does not trust you, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - should you trust your government? DH/DSS Key - 0x7A1BEA01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
