Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tom Wilson
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
[snip]
 
 Here in the Sovereign State of North Carolingia the Booze Bureaucrats
 decide what can be sold to us groundlings. 
 This is fittingly analogous to the method by which M$ and SCO contrive
 with the politicians and judiciary to limit our 
 OS choices.  (Note the crafty way I keep this post from going TID.) 
 
 Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the
 North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I 
 may not buy this delectable brew here.  SCOL! 
 -- 
 Leon A. Goldstein

So is that why beer is so expensive there?  They have a Booze
Bureaucracy?  I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for
a case of Miller Lite.  I felt I was stroked.  Now here in Ohio, we
drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case.  And Samuel
Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint.  M...

I was going to stop by Red Hat headquarters on my way home from OBX but
I didn't know where it was in relation.  (My attempt to not drift TID).

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Leon A. Goldstein


Tim Wunder wrote:

On 7/31/2003 8:48 AM, someone claiming to be Tom Wilson wrote:

> On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 19:59, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
> [snip]


>>Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the
>>North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I
>>may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL!
>>--
>>Leon A. Goldstein
>

Not being able to buy the beer you want is reason enough to move, AFAIC.

There are plenty of other reasons. Gotta unload a house in a buyer's
market for one.





>
> So is that why beer is so expensive there? They have a Booze
> Bureaucracy? I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for
> a case of Miller Lite. I felt I was stroked. Now here in Ohio, we

Ick! $20 for Miller Lite! You *were* stroked...

Tourist trap prices. You could have gotten two cases of Saranac Pale
Ale for that.



> drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case. And Samuel
> Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint. M...
>
> I was going to stop by Red Hat headquarters on my way home from OBX but
> I didn't know where it was in relation. (My attempt to not drift TID).
>

Perhaps we should have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list...

I think we already have one :-)


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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:
...
So is that why beer is so expensive there?  They have a Booze
Bureaucracy?  I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for
a case of Miller Lite.  I felt I was stroked.  Now here in Ohio, we
drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case.  And Samuel
Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint.  M...

I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc.  for any
price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout
is available.  The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use
Miller Lite for is slug bait.

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Collins Richey
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:37:30 -0700
Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:
 ...
 So is that why beer is so expensive there?  They have a Booze
 Bureaucracy?  I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US
 for a case of Miller Lite.  I felt I was stroked.  Now here in Ohio,
 we drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case.  And Samuel
 Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint.  M...
 
 I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc.  for
 any price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale,
 and stout is available.  The only thing people here in the Pacific NW
 would use Miller Lite for is slug bait.
 

Ayup.  Coors, however, does make Killians which is a rather decent
offering.


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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Tom Wilson
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:
 ...
 So is that why beer is so expensive there?  They have a Booze
 Bureaucracy?  I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for
 a case of Miller Lite.  I felt I was stroked.  Now here in Ohio, we
 drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case.  And Samuel
 Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint.  M...
 
 I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc.  for any
 price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout
 is available.  The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use
 Miller Lite for is slug bait.

Agreed.  I prefer fine English Ales myself.  But I was on vacation with
the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers.

--Tom
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 01:35:53PM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 12:37, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 08:48:48AM -0400, Tom Wilson wrote:
 ...
 So is that why beer is so expensive there?  They have a Booze
 Bureaucracy?  I was in Kill Devil Hills in late June and paid $20 US for
 a case of Miller Lite.  I felt I was stroked.  Now here in Ohio, we
 drive to Kentucky and get Miller Lite for $12 a case.  And Samuel
 Smith's Oatmeal Stout is only $3.99 a pint.  M...
 
 I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc.  for any
 price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout
 is available.  The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use
 Miller Lite for is slug bait.

Agreed.  I prefer fine English Ales myself.  But I was on vacation with
the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers.

I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.

Bill
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 15:03, Tim Wunder wrote:

 Perhaps we should have a [EMAIL PROTECTED] list...

I'm game. Then we could discuss things like the little known but quite
fun Stockholm beer festival.



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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:35, Tom Wilson wrote:

 Agreed.  I prefer fine English Ales myself.  But I was on vacation with
 the family so I had to please the, err, unenlightened beer drinkers.

Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet they
are more to my taste. Still, my all time favorite British ale is the
Kentish Bishop's Finger. Too bad the pub across the street has it on
tap. This way my wife can look out the window and see if I am there. At
least in summer when one must be outside.



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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:

 I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
 fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
 unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.

I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
They must run M$ at home...


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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer:
 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
 
  I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
  fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
  unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.
 
 I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
 will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
 They must run M$ at home...

Blech. Pardon me while I hurl.
 
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread dep
quoth Roger Oberholtzer:

| Oddly, bitters are considered the cheaper of British offerings, yet
| they are more to my taste. Still, my all time favorite British ale is
| the Kentish Bishop's Finger. Too bad the pub across the street has it
| on tap. This way my wife can look out the window and see if I am
| there. At least in summer when one must be outside.

the yorkshire ales, especially the tadcaster ones, are in my estimation 
as good as it gets or can get. the reason i am not a drunk is that they 
are difficult to get here.
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote:
Quoth Roger Oberholtzer:
 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
 
  I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
  fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
  unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.
 
 I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
 will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
 They must run M$ at home...

Blech. Pardon me while I hurl.

That would taste better than Miller Lite :-).

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 20:23, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 02:20:04PM -0400, Kurt Wall wrote:
 Quoth Roger Oberholtzer:
  On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
  
   I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
   fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
   unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.
  
  I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
  will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
  They must run M$ at home...
 
 Blech. Pardon me while I hurl.
 
 That would taste better than Miller Lite :-).

I confess that when I was a grad student in New Mexico, I worked as a
bartender at a CW bar (Triple R Bar Dance Hall and Saloon). It was not
uncommon for me to cart home a 6-pack of miller (genuine, like anyone
would copy it...). I have since learned the error of my ways..


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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 02:37 am, Bill Campbell wrote:

 I don't think you could sell Miller Lite, Bud Lite, Coors, etc.  for any
 price in Oz, New Zealand, or other places where real beer, ale, and stout
 is available.  The only thing people here in the Pacific NW would use
 Miller Lite for is slug bait.

 Bill

Bill, you seem to have a penchant for causeing me strife. However actually we 
are currently using it to try and drown the the bloody 'fire' ants that got 
imported by ship into queensland from the US. They have had some initial 
sucess but last night they were found in properties west of Brisbane. If they 
manage to migrate 'out west' we will have another environmental disaster on 
our hands. Its too sparsely populated and big to manage.

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
  I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
  fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
  unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.

 I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
 will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
 They must run M$ at home...

I think we becime innured to our 'local' brew with time and anything 'new' 
takes for a while. As I am nowadays on the wagon I still remember with 
fondness my days on the continent and TUBORG. Well I remember it in bits and 
pieces.

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Michael Hipp


Keith Antoine wrote:

Bill, you seem to have a penchant for causeing me strife. However actually we 
are currently using it to try and drown the the bloody 'fire' ants that got 
imported by ship into queensland from the US. They have had some initial 
sucess but last night they were found in properties west of Brisbane. If they 
manage to migrate 'out west' we will have another environmental disaster on 
our hands. Its too sparsely populated and big to manage.
The fire ants came to use by ship from S. America in the same uninvited 
way. And don't expect much success. The only thing that seems to even 
slow them down is cold weather.

We also got Africanized killer bees much the same way. If you'd like 
we could perhaps send a load of them also :-D

Ain't globalization wonderful!

Michael

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Bill Campbell
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:

   Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:

 I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
 fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
 unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.

I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
They must run M$ at home...

From what I remember of lukewarm Watney's and Whitbread, that comes as no
surprise.  I do recall fondly a Norfolk or Suffolk ale called Adnam's.

The Brits drink their beer warm because they have Lucas refrigerators.

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Kurt Wall
Quoth Keith Antoine:
 On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 04:08 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
   I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
   fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
   unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.
 
  I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
  will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
  They must run M$ at home...
 
 I think we becime innured to our 'local' brew with time and anything 'new' 
 takes for a while. As I am nowadays on the wagon I still remember with 
 fondness my days on the continent and TUBORG. Well I remember it in bits and 
 pieces.

I remember in bits and pieces, too, which is one of the reasons I
quit drinking -- I couldn't remember who I bit. ;-)

Kurt
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Keith Antoine
On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 08:02 am, Michael Hipp wrote:

 The fire ants came to use by ship from S. America in the same uninvited
 way. And don't expect much success. The only thing that seems to even
 slow them down is cold weather.

We have had a real good eradication program: started up as soon as they were 
spotted but that may have been too late. They are a reportable pest and if 
you know but do not report you can end up in court.

 We also got Africanized killer bees much the same way. If you'd like
 we could perhaps send a load of them also :-D

Yes we got them but isolated em and killed them asap, looks as if we are on 
top of that one.

 Ain't globalization wonderful!

 Michael



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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-31 Thread Myles Green
On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 17:58, Bill Campbell wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 06:14:33PM -0400, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
 
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
 
 On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 19:53, Bill Campbell wrote:
 
  I've found that even backwater bars usually have Guiness which is a good
  fallback.  If they don't have Guiness, I drink ice tea rather than the
  unrecycled piss that passes for beer there.
 
 I do lots of work in England and it is odd how many Brits in the pub
 will order a Bud (the American variety) and drink it like they enjoy it.
 They must run M$ at home...
 
 From what I remember of lukewarm Watney's and Whitbread, that comes as no
 surprise.  I do recall fondly a Norfolk or Suffolk ale called Adnam's.
 
 The Brits drink their beer warm because they have Lucas refrigerators.

That's the reason I tore all the Lucas crap off my 650 Bonnie and
installed aftermarket stuff. 

Lucas == Prince of Darkness

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread Roger Oberholtzer
On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
 A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian
 Competition and  Consumer Commission  about SCO's
 attempt to license users of the  Linux 2.4 kernel.
 http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorder=0
 
 I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of Fosters
 tonight.

IMHO, VB would be better.


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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread Tony Alfrey
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
 On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
  On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
   A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian
   Competition and  Consumer Commission  about SCO's
   attempt to license users of the  Linux 2.4 kernel.
   http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde
  r=0
  
   I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of
   Fosters tonight.
 
  IMHO, VB would be better.

 Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ??  is the Queensland
 beer.

I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us 
gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would 
touch the stuff??

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OT Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread James McDonald
Tony Alfrey wrote:
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:

On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:

A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian
Competition and  Consumer Commission  about SCO's
attempt to license users of the  Linux 2.4 kernel.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde
r=0
I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of
Fosters tonight.
IMHO, VB would be better.
Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ??  is the Queensland
beer.


I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us 
gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would 
touch the stuff??

Yes Fosters is an Export Brand

and there is a joke about  beer it goes: Why do Queenslanders call 
their beer ? Because they can't spell Beer!



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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread Leon A. Goldstein


Tony Alfrey wrote:

On Wednesday 30 July 2003 02:59 pm, Keith Antoine wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-07-30 at 18:20, Leon A. Goldstein wrote:
> > > A group in Australia has filed a complaint with the Australian
> > > Competition and Consumer Commission about SCO's
> > > attempt to "license" users of the Linux 2.4 kernel.
> > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=7037mode=threadorde
> > >r=0
> > >
> > > I'm going to salute this initiative with a 1/2 liter can of
> > > Fosters tonight.
> >
> > IMHO, VB would be better.
>
> Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ??  is the Queensland
> beer.

I thought Foster's was just the cheap stuff that they imported to us
gringos in the States and that no real self-respecting Aussie would
touch the stuff??


Here in the Sovereign State of North Carolingia the Booze Bureaucrats
decide what can be sold to us groundlings.
This is fittingly analogous to the method by which M$ and SCO contrive
with the politicians and judiciary to limit our
OS choices. (Note the crafty way I keep this post from going
TID.)
Actually, I could sure go for a Belgian Rodenbach right now, but the
North Carolina Booze Bureaucrats have ruled that I
may not buy this delectable brew here. SCOL!
--
Leon A. Goldstein

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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread Shawn Tayler
On 30 Jul 2003 19:20:48 +0200 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] professed:

 IMHO, VB would be better.

Cascade is my choice.
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Re: Australia Sends SCO on Walkabout

2003-07-30 Thread Shawn Tayler
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:59:01 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Oh, we are getting nasty. VB and Fosters ??  is the Queensland beer.

Come now Skippy.  You know as well as I thats its  because
Queenslanders can't spell S#!T

Shawn
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