Fwd: Server Error
Anyone know what this is caused by? It is on a system which we are using to host a VPN tunnel. Just a guess, But I am assuming that there is a software error in the VPN kernel module that is causing memory block errors and dumping. -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Server Error Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:11:44 -0500 From: "Burns MacDonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Any idea why the server is hanging and stack dumping? We are running RH7.1 Here is the error notice: scint04 login: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 0004 current->tss.cr3 = 00101000, %cr3 = 00101000 *pde = Ooops: 0002 CPU:0 EIP:0010:[] EFLAGS: 00010202 Kernel Panic ...yada yada yada -- Burns MacDonald Secure Channel Tel: (613) 781-8341, Cel: (613) 277-8955, Fax: (613) 784-8486 --- -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On February 6, 2002 03:22 am, Joshua Lee wrote: > SuSE Pro seems to have the most packages of any distribution, it's > famous for that. I couldn't find FreeSWAN on my system though, and > I'm running 7.3, the latest. Where does it live at? /usr/share/doc/susehilf/raw_pacs/en/freeswan -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Linux Cartoon
This is a classic: http://images.ucomics.com/comics/fw/2002/fw020203.gif -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
On February 3, 2002 11:23 pm, dep wrote: > > agreement again. a surprisingly delightful post came from rms on the > gnome list -- he said that chasing msft is foolish, that chasing the > mac would make far more sense. which it would, because linux is far > more flexible than the mac, but the mac has a gui that eats for > breakfast the best that msft has to offer. > Yup. Probably cause they have been working on it longer (before Bill "acquired" it). > > mandrake isn't doing all that well in europe, either -- suse is doing > much better there, because despite its many obvious shortcomings, it > has a caldera-like desire to achieve and maintain stability. mandrake > is in many ways little more than a broken red hat. It's true. I have yet to see Mandrake running seriously in a server room... it's invariably RedHat, Debian, sometimes Slackware or (very rarely) Caldera. I understand that SuSE is common in Europe and 7.2 and 7.3 Pro are getting rave reviews as a server load, but for all intents and purposes, SuSE just doesn't exist in the North American corporate market. I am starting to see more and more OpenBSD which points to greater security awareness and an emphasis on locking down networked systems sadly, something that we are currently missing - there is no real "security-oriented" Linux distro. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Fwd: SuSE noshow at LWCE NY 2002
Tyler wrote: > They're all there, its just that Mandrake has practically eliminated the > need for the CLI tools. Oh swell... like filling your car floor to ceiling with cotton candy, then trying to drive down the street. > Now, we all know, regardless of how much we hate M$, that > the thing does work... to a degree. This is enough for the average user and > won't change for some time, or until something easier and cheaper and 100% > compatible comes along. > I'm sorry, Tyler, but I just can't bring myself to join the "our aim is to out-windows Microsoft" camp. IMHO anybody with enough money, time and a frontal lobotomy can produce a Windows OS clone. We shouldn't compromise on the values that make Linux *better* (and different). I don't want to sound elitist and it's true we do still have a ways to go in terms of useability, but if we have to make Linux look and act exactly like Windows, then maybe there are some users we just don't need to attract. > The Mac was there, but it succumbed to poor management, a 'hippy' > mentality, and an accomplice factor that causes them to lump in with MS > instead of compete. The MAC suffered because they insisted on a completely proprietary model in an increasingly generic market model. They were clobbered by the dominance of the PC clone model and all the explosive cross-development that brought with it. > Next comes Psion/Symbian. I know, this doesn't make much sense, but its a > reality. EPOC32 and the Symbian OS (which are really quite similar) is very > compatible with Windows and MS file formats, is extremely scalable (from > phone to desktop), and handles Java and TCP/IP with native aplomb. Psion's > inability to properly market handheld devices to the consumer and keep a > steady flow of new, evolutionary devices coming did, however, clearly > indicate that it will take longer to get to the desktop. Psion did a pretty good business in Europe, especially with their handhelds devices... they were years ahead of the current PDA market. However, they became stagnant and are starting to lose share in a market they should have dominated. They easily could have been Palm, but for "old boy" parochialism and an inability to think globally and reach beyond regional markets. You're a PDA guy - you should know that. > > Last, and certainly not least, is Linux. Even Red Hat, the self-appointed > champion of the Open Source and Linux movements, has been unable to achieve > the ease of use and GUI integration of Mandrake. There are few distros that > come close to matching what Mandrake has been able to offer the desktop > user. Combine Mandrake's Control Center, Mandrake Update (skip the kernel > upgrade unless you've retained the stock kernel in your install, though), > and Ximian's Red Carpet and you have a powerful GUI-based technology > currency system in place. > Mandrake's primary money market is Europe, where the Linux desktop is gaining far greater acceptance than on this side of the pond. Here, in North America, the Linux market is primarily in the server room and that is where RedHat is putting most of its development resources. Ipso Facto: Engineering goes where the bucks are - where that is depends upon your target market. YMMV -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On January 29, 2002 09:02 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: > On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: > > This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that > > we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, > > like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not > > worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS > > documents into non-MS software, too. > > > > Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. > > I fully expect that some day in the not too distant future, there will be a > 'Microsoft Internet' and an Internet for the rest of us. They're going to > make it happen. > Bill already did that. Flash back to 1995... When MSN first started it was conceived of as a giant private network. Popularity of the Internet was still ramping up and Netscape owned the browser space. Try as Microsoft might, they couldn't compete with the booming success of the Internet, so MSN was revamped to become a service *on* the Internet and Microsoft increased even further their efforts to seriously dominate the browser space by starting to offer their browser free. Now things have gone full circle. With .Net MS looks to make a stab at establishing significant control over the Internet - or at least the software content people are running over it. Bill's ultimate goal will be realized. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On January 29, 2002 07:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: > This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that > we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, > like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not > worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS > documents into non-MS software, too. > > Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. > Microsoft has already announced the death of Samba after the current version. They will be moving to an embedded, proprietary protocol. You were peeking weren't you? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: interest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 23, 2002 05:19 am, Mike Andrew wrote: > Kurt, Burns, Skippy, lama and myself all still have our tickets > for the Caldera Symphony Brass Band convention, in Tahiti. However, due to > the Camel's outright selfishness in applying (and getting!) a real job, in > California as a cable car conductor, it got cancelled. Consequently, none > of us could go parcel post via his old company, UPS. > > It was a damn shame, I had my grass skirt, and my ear thongs all freshly > painted, nails manicured., even bought a mark I Kurtwerks tin hat for the > occaision... > > Yes. Keef had polished his crystal balls, tuned up his magic wand and I had gotten new dentures for the occaision (I hate borrowing Mike's). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: interest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 24, 2002 02:26 am, Zoran wrote: > On Jan 22 Susan Macchia was heard saying: > > ->I would be interested. July is out though and I probably couldn't travel > all ->the way to the west coast (sorry llama) since I live on the east :-) > > > *** East, west... You forgot there're Europeans on this list too... ;-) > No we haven't. I think the last location tossed around in this thread was Ohio... that's about half way between you and our Friends in Norfolk Island and their neighbouring colony, Australia. See? - nice and central! -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: interest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 23, 2002 03:20 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:31:43 +0100 > > Klaus-Peter Schrage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Ok, when the parity dollar vs euro will have gone down by then ... > > But in what direction, we all ask ourselves. Well the Canuck buck is in the toilet right now compared to the Yank dollar, so if this is in the near future, I will be the guy sleeping in a tent and boiling up Kraft Dinner over a Sterno can. (and I'll bring REAL beer down with me, thanks.) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: interest in an annual SxS get-together?
On January 22, 2002 11:20 pm, Andrew Mathews wrote: > phillipp wrote: > > > > Installfests now generate revenue??? > > Rip Van Winkel > > If you offer extra services, sell products, or build relationships with > the right people, then yes. I can think of a dozen items that could be > offered, t-shirts, tux penguins, pictures of me, well maybe not me, but > Kurt, Doug, Lonnie, Burnsie, Kantoine, and Mike Andrews at least. The mind boggles!! The only people I could imagine considering my face for a T-shirt might be People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals... and only then as a scare tactic. Regarding the question of beer, of course there would be beer - I haven't seen a Linux event yet where there wasn't lashings of ale (and beer). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
Michael spake: > Let's just make sure we don't take anyone who dares offer constructive > criticism of Linux or reports to have found a security problem and > immediately fry them as a "mole", "troll", "plant" or whatever. Tarring and > feathering needs to be reserved for the real thing; not some innocent who > still believes in open discussion and full disclosure. > Absolutely. Although it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between MS's professional Mindless Fudbots and clueless sh*t-stirring Windows amateurs who come by it naturally. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Open Invitation
Keith scribbled: > Do not know if the car will make it on a tank of gas. I should think it's the pontoons you'd need to worry about. ;o) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
Bruce spake: > > I don't recall ever seeing a 'wave' of 'munchkins' (the name given to MS > trolls). They are usually more subtle than that. But at some point in some > forum there probably was a wave. > I certainly do. Almost immediately following Ballmer's address in which he declared war on Linux, a barrage of FUD was launched. Coincident with that, this list and a number of others were visited by several clear and persistent trolls. The timing was close enough to be near synchronous. Was it planned and implemented by MS themselves, or just a bunch of over-zealous MS fans wanting to jump on Ballmer's bandwagon and "help out"?... we don't know and probably we will never know for sure. But I wouldn't put it past them after seeing in leaked emails and memos some of the sophmoric and brainless things their middle management is capable of. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Large cracks in the Windoze, a fud warning.
Mike wrote: > Our dear friend Big Bill has a fearsome reputation for discerning the "next > big direction" in computing, and thus keeping his Company afloat. > We live in interesting times. Knowing Msoft history makes me think these > pundits are wrong, yet-again. Bill will simply create a new Xindows that IS > secure. > I believe you are right. I have said for a long time that the worst thing for Linux is for Microsoft to start taking their OS seriously and make it truly more stable and more secure. > > And now a warning. > > There are a (very) small number of people on this list, who will confirm for > you, that FUDmongery is real and was a paid for veritable disease in the OS/2 > vs Msoft warz. The basic rules are, you take your opponent's os apart and > find anything sloppy. You then innocently post 'bug reports' into mailgroups. > ANY response of any kind to these bugs (real or imagined), prompts a wave of > auto-generated hate mail from umpty dozen new mail@somewheres, "How can it be > like this", "I thought you said it was 'perfect", "I agree with Fred, your OS > is crap" > > When genuine weakneses run out, you then look for ones that can't be > verified. 'The team' supplies a stream of questions on issues that can't be > proved or disproved. Purpose? Confusion, doubt, unsure-ness. Yep. And quietly commission a number of studies by "independent labs/consultants" that test the "other OS" under conditions and specs that favour your OS and place the other at a disadvantage. The use your enormous influence in the media (including some you own e.g. MSNBC) to favourably and 'credibly' present these studies as the real bottom line truth. Introduce doubt among those who don't have the technical savvy to know that it is bullsh*t. The doubt should be based upon core values that the mainstream values (Remember 'Linux is unpatriotic and threatens the American Way'?). The best elements involve an element of credibility, so use a series of half-truths in order to create a much larger lie. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Need help to get back on the list
On January 16, 2002 03:34 pm, Dallam Wych wrote: Knowing btinternet as I do, I can almost > assure you that the trouble is on their end not yours. Their service > seems to vary depending on what region of the country that you live > in. ...And as I recall from having lived in Herts, what day of the week it was. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft Support
On January 15, 2002 08:54 am, Kurt Wall wrote: > > > I have told them that MCSE stands for Must Consult with Someone Else, Mouse Certified System Engineer -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How trashed is it?
On January 14, 2002 11:56 pm, Net Llama wrote: > > > Funny, i've never had any such problems becoming root with a simple 'su'. It doesn't happen often, but every now and then I run across a program that will not be fooled into accepting SU and I have to actually log in as root. I can't give you an example at the moment. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: pics from my trip
On December 17, 2001 03:16 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Tuesday 18 December 2001 02:29, Net Llama enunciated: > > Not sure if anyone is interested, but here are the pics from my trip > > last week: > > http://sxs.sf.net/pix/ > > > > Day 1 were taken at Lava Beds National Monument in northern California > > Day 2 were taken at Silver Falls State Park in central Oregon > > Day 3 were taken at Redwood National Park in coastal northern California > > Again, nice Lonni, but what is all that white cotton wool doing all over > the country side in some pictures ? Sheep plucking. Happens in the Autumn in North America. Where do you think all the Canadian toques come from? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: pics from my trip
On January 13, 2002 10:47 pm, Bill Day wrote: > u, not very nice... > > but pretty damn funny hehe wanna see a bald sasquatch...? > > http://www.abcs.com/billday/images/mecurrent.jpg > Interesting. I don't think I've seen a full frontal highlight like that before. ;o) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: FreeBSD again
On January 13, 2002 09:55 am, Mike Andrew wrote: > > moi aussie? Yes you are. Moi canuck. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: How trashed is it?
On January 14, 2002 09:13 pm, Jerry McBride wrote: > If you're running a linux box as root and you execute a root only > executable and it comes back with... > > error: this must be run in root mode... Are you in a root session? Or are you only SU? If the latter, try logging into an actual root session. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft Support
On January 14, 2002 11:12 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: > Just a tibit to give us all a laugh while MS takes over the > computer world. > One of our accountants recently bought a special bundled deal from IBM. Included with the PC was a digital camera. The PC came with XP pre-loaded. There are no drivers available to allow the camea to work under XP. Go figgur. PS: Is this a reflection on accountants, MS or IBM? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: pics from my trip
On December 17, 2001 11:29 am, Net Llama wrote: > Not sure if anyone is interested, but here are the pics from my trip > last week: > http://sxs.sf.net/pix/ > That has to be the first time I've ever seen a Sasquatch in cutoffs! http://sxs.sourceforge.net/pix/1212_007.jpg Sorry Lonni, I'm just getting caught up. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
[OT] Return from /dev/null
Hi folks Toward the latter part of December, Rogers.com (formerly associated with @Home) made a final change to their network which completely messed up our email. This was the last of many changes and was really the last straw, as it meant Rogers service was now completely incompatible with my system (being non-Windows). Accordingly, I decided to shift service providers, change from cable to broadband DSL, plus transfer my personal domain (burnsmacdonald.com) to a new host (no small task). Largely due to the intervening Xmas period, this has taken some time to set up. As a result, I have been offline for almost 2 weeks. Anyone who has sent mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] and has not received a response, is asked to please re-send that mail, as we have probably not received it. The following are our correct (and now functioning) addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry for any inconvenience. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Will they recommend LINUX????
Everyone is right. The Government in the US and Canada are "tinkering" with Linux, but there are few if any large scale enterprise-class projects underway. Microsoft, Sun and to a lesser degree, HP, are firmly entrenched in the culture. There are a few of typical reactions/misconceptions which explain this: 1) If it doesn't cost a lot, it can't be any good. Part of the "the more they charge for it, the better it must be" syndrome; 2) Open Source is "hobbyware"; 3) If it's Open Source, there is no one company that stands behind... so who do I blame/sue if something goes wrong; and 4) I am not an expert in IT, I am an expert in Microsoft. That's how I got to be a senior IT manager, by rolling out and maintaining Microsoft products. Deploying Linux now means that I am introducing something that I know nothing about... I will no longer be an expert - plus senior management may begin to think that all my previous (Microsoft) accomplishments were, in the end, bad decisions on my part. -- Burns MacDonald CD Secure Channel Tel: (613) 781-8341, Cel: (613) 277-8955, Fax: (613) 784-8486 > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Ian > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 1:50 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Will they recommend LINUX > > > Glenn Williams wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "R. Quenett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 4:06 PM > > Subject: Re: Will they recommend LINUX > > > > > " > > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) > > > " > Not likely during the current administration. > > > " > > > " Or any other. > > > > > > Government doesn't _do_ 'open'. It's poisonous to the culture. > > > > > > R > > > > I think that will prove to be an unwarranted assumption. NASA and a > > number of other government institutions are currently using Linux. > > Either the Space Lab or the shuttles use Linux - at the > moment I cannot > > remeber which, but possibly both. > > Is that not where the linux drivers for many of the 3com NICs > originated? D Becker worked for NASA or the JPL or something of that > nature IIRC. > > -- > Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
Joel spake: > Thanks for this wonderful link. It will provide much interesting reading. > About the Brave New World of uniform measurements based on units of 10. > They tried hard to switch American medicine over to the European units for > chemistry values (out with mg/dl, in ng/l or meq/l etc. > They stopped when people starting getting killed. There was no gain in this > attempted switch over and a lot of pain, as it turned out. > Which unit is more convenient for measuring air temperature, Fahrenheit or > Centigrade? Like many, I was reluctant to change to metric. But I have to say that now having done so, I rarely even think about the old units of measurement at all. All of my reference points have become metric which, I suppose, is the key. To me, -40C is too cold to go out, 15C is a nice Spring day and 30C is time for a beer in the shade. There have been a few horror stories such as the infamous case of an Air Canada ground crew that got mixed up between gallons and litres when refuelling an airliner. The aircraft subsequently made a forced landing 'on fumes' at a small private prairie airstrip. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
David wrote: > And you got this information where? Ooops. My memory is not as good as I thunk. The last ship I drove was a destroyer in 1977. As I now recall, we used 2000 yards as a rough measure of miles. I got myself confused with statute miles. The rest were used as rounded off units. We always figured 10 cables to the nautical mile, which, I believe, was standard in naval use at least. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: christmas and its HOT!
David spake: > That would be fine if you stuck to inches all the time but: > 12 inches = 1 foot > 3 feet = 1 yard > yards = 1 mile > >From my Navy years: 1760 yards to a nautical mile. A nautical mile is 1 minute of latitude at the equator. a 'cable' is 200 yards a shackle is about 90 feet a fathom is 6 feet For more measuring trivia, see http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/ It is truly mind-boggling and aptly demonstrates the need for a simple, global 10-based suystem. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Will they recommend LINUX????
Michael wrote: > Perhaps they'll urge Americans to switch to a safer OS ;-) > Not likely during the current administration. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: defragmentation
On December 5, 2001 03:59 am, Declan Moriarty wrote: > I can chase it up if you're mad interested. Errr, no thanks. :o) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: VA Linux is no more
On December 5, 2001 04:02 pm, Net Llama wrote: > Its official, VA Linux no longer exists. Say hello to "VA Software". > Are you still with them, Lonni? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Trying to reach Mike Andrew
On December 6, 2001 12:12 am, Net Llama wrote: > Last I heard, Mike was traveling on business until the end of December, > and did not have internet access. > Yes. That's what he said. You needn't be concerned. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: defragmentation
On December 4, 2001 06:31 am, zohar wrote: > I want to defragment individual programs(or more than one) rather than > whole hard disk. Is there any utility for that. > > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Defragmentation is a Windows requirement. The file structures used for Linux (e.g. ext2) don't require defragmentation, just a periodic fsck. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: new feature!
On December 3, 2001 09:01 am, Douglas J Hunley wrote: > You can now 'finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]' to see any new additions to the site. > It will return the contents of the 'New' page. It's updated nightly. > Enjoy! Hey, neat! It works slick (and fast) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: @home still serving
On December 2, 2001 12:36 am, Ian wrote: > I for one, will gladly see my service divorced from @home, it was their > s#!t email servers that led to my purchasing and hosting of my own > domain. I was missing mails, receiving replies to the list, before the > post I'd sent, other emails were arriving 10 (yes ten) days late. Precisely. Ditto here. In fact, I'm now looking at alternatives. Rogers does not seem to be able top come up with a Linux friendly way of running their dhcp servers. There are some silly "Windowsizations" (e.g. winbios identities) that make it very difficult to successfully get a dhcp lease. My server here keeps coming back reporting that the udp packet returned from Rogers dhcp sever was of a non-standard length and was not recognized. Has anyone heard anything (good or bad) about IStop (www.istop.com )? They say they officially support Linux and offer a variety of bandwidth schemes including fixed IPs and no prohibition on legitimately-used servers. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On November 29, 2001 02:54 am, Greg Turpin wrote: > H...where did you find such a deal? Is your mail stored on a remote > server - or did you have to setup your own server? Here's one place: http://signup.domaindirect.com/cgi-bin/info.cgi?do=index&pageid=newfrontb -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On November 28, 2001 10:41 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: > It is hard to believe that they wouldn't want to maintain service without > interruption. After all, we are already installed, and shell out $$ every > month for the service. We should be a cash cow for somebody. > This is certainly disgusting, but, that is the capitalist system. > However, to avoid my email address getting whacked, for $35 dollars a year > I have my own domain name (HammersHome.com), which won't change even if > @HOME goes away. I think that is a good investment. Perhaps, but for many subscribers @Home is how they access the internet. Regardless of where your mail is sitting, you still have to get to it somehow. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On November 30, 2001 03:31 am, Declan Moriarty wrote: > > > On November 28, 2001 07:13 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > > > > I may have an enforced vacation from email coming up. > > No wish to advertise, but why not change over to a mail forwarding service > such as iname.com. My brother in the 'States uses this and can swap isps > around all he likes, and just point the service at his current isp. Yes. But he still needs internet access to get to the mail host. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: spam
> Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Here's a good question. I see a lot of postings about ways of > > eliminating spam. How does one differentiate between spam and really > > interesting new mail that doesn't happen to come from your known and > > most frequent correspondents? It's all spam if it is soliciting fo commercial purposes and you didn't ask for it. Some just may be more palatable than others, depending on your taste. Frankly I have trouble dealing with any company that spams. I think it says a lot about their ethics and the quality of that business (lack thereof). -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: excite@home going down?
On November 28, 2001 07:13 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > I may have an enforced vacation from email coming up. excite@home, > the ISP for my ATT cable connection, is in bankruptcy. ATT Broadband > is trying to buy them out to insure continuous coverage, but no news > yet. Rumor is going around Denver that we may have a 2 week outage > before ATT Broadband has an alternative up and going. Yeah . The Canadian cable company, Rogers@Home, is severing the @Home bit and is doing a crash rollout of servers changing all it's customers' mail domains. About a half a Million subscribers are affected. Details here for those fascinated with tedium: http://rogers.home.com/servlet/support.viewentries?ID=1006192342383 -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I'm back
On November 25, 2001 11:54 am, Ron White wrote: > Had a total hip replacement, but am back at the computer now and it sure > feels good. > Ron > Welcome back, Ron. Next time you'll have toi think of a less painful way to get a break from the list -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: finding out hardware info
On November 21, 2001 02:16 pm, Peter Horst wrote: > > Do you have any information on "hwinfo"? It is not available on my > system (rh7.1). It should be. We had some SGI machines in our lab with RH 6.2 on them and hwinfo was part of the config. Have you tried: locate hwinfo? Freshmeat should have it, or you can go direct to the Hwinfo website here: http://www.hwinfo.com/ -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: finding out hardware info
On November 20, 2001 08:52 am, urgrue wrote: > i need to mount a tape drive in order to make backups. trouble is, i > cant physically get to the linux box in order to see where it is. > does the text displayed at bootup (kernel messages, that display for > example all detected hard drives etc) get saved anywhere in redhat? > suse keeps it in /var/log/boot.msg. i couldnt find anything > equivalent in redhat (/var/log/boot.log is empty). > > any other ideas how to track down this tape drive? As root, use the command: hwinfo This will give you a complete readout of what your system thinks your box consists of. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Les Bell... ? [was: Re: apm install error]
On November 18, 2001 10:14 am, Collins Richey wrote: > On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 23:09:52 +1130 Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > On Monday 12 November 2001 17:24, Zoran Grbic-Mailinglist account > > > > wrote: > > > *** Slight change of subject just to aks you about Les. Do you > > > > know what > > > > > he's up to? Haven't heard of him ever since the Caldera debacle... > > > > He's heavily committed to IBM and (last heard) lost a fair deal of > > money > > owing from deals he had set up with the old Caldera. I stay in > > monthly > > contact with him but afaik he dropped all committments to all/most? > > Linux > > lists. What we call over here: spitting the Dummy. > > Ah yes, one of the proudest moments for Caldera was the decision to > screw over loyal distributors like Les. Just one of the reasons that > I don't think about Caldera even twice in the average month! > And Caldera's doing so well as a result (not) > I wish Les all the best. Me too. He'll do OK with the blue juggernaut... it's Linux strategy and cross-platform leverage seems to be paying off. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Volume Down?
Keith wrote: > On Saturday 17 November 2001 01:20, Douglas J Hunley enunciated: > > > > I had resubbed to Caldera lists as well and I can say that there is a > > > definite drop in posts to both lists over the past 4 weeks or so. > > > > we're only about half of the pre-crash membership. does anyone know how to > > get word out to the rest? > > Depends on how interested we as list members are in the list itself. I would > hazzard a guess that most of us have mail going back for a month or so. In > that case we as members could troll the trash and see who was on and is not > now. The trash would always have their 'HOME' address on it, also would the > mailer have a list of who was originally subbed or was this lost too ? We could also (again) put a very bold notice on the steps main page. Most readers go there at least occaisionally. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Volume Down?
Is it my imagination, or is the volume on this list way down over what it was just a month or two ago? Â Did we lose a bunch or people that never re-subbed during the hardware failure crisis? Â -- burns
Re: Les Bell... ? [was: Re: apm install error]
Mike mused: > On Wednesday 14 November 2001 14:34, Burns MacDonald wrote: > > > > There were some very knowledgable people lost to this list. > > They'll be back. > Yoiks! I sayeth not that. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Les Bell... ? [was: Re: apm install error]
Doug proclaimed: > Burns MacDonald babbled on about: > > I'd check the archives to confirm > > that, but linux.nf is down here (again) > > shouldn't be. details? 404. Back up now though. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Les Bell... ? [was: Re: apm install error]
Ken spoke: > There was a lot of that Caldera bashing going on at first. too bad. > There were some very knowledgable people lost to this list. And to the Caldera list for other reasons. But we won't go there... again. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: UPS and Surge Protectors
From: "Roger Hayter" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I should be interested in other views. > The following might be of interest. I claim no ability to judge the technical merits osf any of these responses, but they are all from helpful, competent folks. Well, you're right - you shouldn't. The reason why is that surge protecton devices (SPD's) usually rely on a cheap, sacrificial device - usually a MOV (metal oxide varistor) or Zener diode connected between the hot wire and ground. The idea is, in an over current situation, the device would shunt excess current to ground. There's usually a fuse or circuit breaker in the circuit as well, in the event of a prolonged surge, or loss of the SPD. More expensive SPD's sometimes use a gas tube instead of a diode or MOV. This is to protect against sparking which might occur as the MOV or zener burns up in extreme surge conditions. The problem with connecting the devices together in a series of power bars becomes apparant if you examine the schematic of one. It's in parallell with the outlet sockets it protects. Connecting another device one of the outlet sockets connects the second device also in parallell with the first, not in series. This is not a benign situation at all. Now, you've effectively cut your surge protection in half and your only safety measure is now the fuse in the first power bar. When you connect 3 or more in a daisy chain, you might as well connect a lightening rod to your equipment. You can get very expensive SPD's which are designed to work daisy chained together. Generally speaking, you'd recognize these devices from the price. In Canada, they generally start around 150.00 or so, compared with the 6.95 for a complete power bar with surge protection. For the record, most UPS systems employ MOV or Zener diode type surge protection. Not only that, but you should never daisy chain UPS systems, which some people think they can do for redundancy. Except it's not redundant. APC has a FAQ on this at their site somewhere for those who are inclined to read up on it. --- Typically, cheaper UPS products operate in an "off-line" fashion, generating power and switching on only when the power fails. More expensive UPS products operate continuously, actually taking wall power, rectifying to DC, and then using pulse width modulation and usually a ferroresonant transformer to re-output a sine wave (AC power). Since traditional UPS products are always rectifying/inverting, there is NO switching time, and the power is always coming from the UPS. This provides high isolation from the wall power, as transients / brownouts etc. in the wall power never get to the protected computer. Most cheaper power bars / conditioners use a combination of metal oxide varistors and zener diodes that will become conductive during a over voltage situation of adequate energy. These devices are "mujahedeen warriors", basically they typically give their life the first time they are used. Everyt time a power bar has protects a computer from a surge, it permanently degrades in its ability to protect from future problems. Since power bars do not generate a wave form, and they basically contain devices that sit ACROSS the different lines, they do affect each other when put in sequence. Power polarity, of course should be constant, and there must be a frame ground present for these things to work at all. Putting two transformer/rectifier based devices in sequence CAN potentially cause problems, especially if different sharing reference grounds. Two traditional on-line UPS in sequence, with equipment from the same computer(s) plugged in is a problem waiting to happen, as the UPS sine wave may not necessarily be in sync, generating a voltage potential of over 500 volts. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Les Bell... ? [was: Re: apm install error]
Tom titillated: > > Les was here for a little bit. Then some flame war erupted about > something, I can't remember, but a bunch of other members attacked Les > and away he went. Decided the nonsense wasn't worth his time. A shame > really because I miss his and others like David Bandels contributions. > But they left early on because of some rowdy threads and lots of > flammage. I like Les. It's a shame he left. I think David still lurks and occaisionally throw out a line or two. I'd check the archives to confirm that, but linux.nf is down here (again) -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
UPS and Surge Protectors
Discussion at work yesterday: I had always been told that it was not a 'good thing' to place two power elements in-line that have surge protection elements. Example: a rack-mounted UPS system from which rack power distribution panels are fed that have their own built-in surge protection. I was surprised to learn that some of our architects had never heard of this. I know that there are some electronic engineering types on this list (Mike). Can someone confirm whether or not this is true, or urban myth? And, if true, what is the principle behind the problem and the potential consequences? -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: AVI files
On November 2, 2001 09:41 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: > Can anybody recommend software for viewing AVI files? My son downloaeded > Shrek as an AVI file, but nothing I currently have installed under linux > will play it. He's taken to booting my PC into Windows to run the thing. aKtion: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/ -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Attention Ingenious Patriots!
On November 3, 2001 08:54 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: > > So, You feel that unless we bomb and kill civilians we are doing nothing? > Wow! No. But I am intrigued to see how you would convince bin Laden and Al Qeda to set aside their differences, abandon their plans for wreaking violence on the world, and join the Kiwanis. Civilians were killed in WWII, do you also feel that Britain should have capitulated and the rest of the world stayed out of it? Just curious. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Attention Ingenious Patriots!
On November 2, 2001 09:26 pm, Ted Ozolins wrote: > I thought that they already did that. Gee I thought that the military might > learn from their past mistakes (Vietnam) "YOU CAN"T BUY OFF IDEALISM" > and you can not gain the hearts of people by bombing civilians. I forget who said it, but they were right on... "All the world needs for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing" or "To do nothing is itself a decision, but ultimately the wrong one" Some people need to read up on the British statesman Chamberlain and his fuzzy-headed approach to dealing with Germany at the onset of WWII. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Attention Ingenious Patriots!
On November 2, 2001 08:51 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: > On Fri, 2 Nov 2001 10:01:35 -0800 > I think we should just drop guns > all over Afghanistan > along with the food packets, > and offer a much bigger reward > for bin Laden and friends. I don't think that's necessary. There are probably more guns per capita in Afghanistan than anywhere else on the planet... everything from AK-47's and AKM's to 200 year old muskets which they seem to continue to make work. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [linux-elitists] Attention Ingenious Patriots!
On November 2, 2001 11:38 am, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: > Burns, > > > Hey, wait a minute, all the old Army radios from World War II > > were good for ham radio, maybe parts from all the autonomous > > solar robot cameras they'll end up making for this war will be > > good for cheese radio. (Cheese radio is like ham radio, but no > > licenses and with encryption and curse words; it uses router and > > compression power instead of transmitter power to carry voice over > > long distances. Every radio is a router.) > > You have to work hard to make enough bread to afford both Ham and Cheese > radios, though, so you'll never sandwich in enough time to pig out on both > hobbies. > > Hey, I didn't say that. Although, I'm not sure I disagree and it is a humorous analogy. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Thanks For The Memories (Virtual)
An excellent article on an interesting problem, a possible fix, plus a hint of Linux development politics and a resulting risk. http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1436/byt20011024s0002/1029_moshe.html -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT somewhat
On October 25, 2001 04:29 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: > > Scott Draeker, of Loki Games, is quoted in the article: "The reason > people use Linux is not because it's a great way to run Windows > software. If you want Windows software then you should be running > Windows. Our customers use Linux to run Linux software." Someone should send that quote to Corel. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sympatico high speed
On October 24, 2001 11:20 pm, Daniel Benham wrote: > Is anyone in southern Ontario using Bell Sympatico high speed? > They have a six month introductory special and I was thinking of trying it > but wondered if there were any gotchas in getting it to work with linux. > They say it will work but don't offer support if you're not using windows. > Any feedback gratefully accepted. > Daniel > ___ > Linux-users mailing list > Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Try posting here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A lot of the members of that list use Sympatico This is a mailing list from one of the most active Linux User Groups in Ontario, the OCLUG (http://www.oclug.on.ca) To join that list go here: http://www.oclug.on.ca/mailman/listinfo/oclug If you don't want to join, you can still post to the mail address I gave above and check out the response in the archives at: http://www.oclug.on.ca/pipermail/oclug/ -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: suse 7.2 & 7.3
On October 24, 2001 04:14 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > No as I installed it on 3 other machines also I tried both the cd and dvd > neither worked. Is this by chance the 7.3 upgrade as opposed to a full install? (Perhaps I missed that). If so, according to the SuSE list there are known issues with it (there have been a number of threads discussing this). Apparently, like Caldera, SuSE's upgrade install programs are invariably a challenge. Most of the seasoned SuSE users recommend getting the full version, backing up your data, then doing a full fresh install from scratch. Sad, really, that we have come so far over the past few years in Linux - we can run it as superclusters and in mainframes - but we can't seem to get consistently fool-proof OS upgrades. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: JVM
On October 23, 2001 10:12 pm, Tom Wilson wrote: > Hi gang, > I tried adding a few of these to my $PATH to no avail. Anyone know > which, if any, of the above paths is the correct one for the > installation to find the jvm? check out man strace If nothing else, this will show you where the make file is looking for jvm to be and can't find it. You should then be able to make the necessary adjustments. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: temporary address
On October 21, 2001 11:10 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > > Doug says that the entire linux.nf domain has been nuked. That's very odd. It certainly sounds like a major upstream plug has been pulled on our domain. If anyone finds out, I'd be very interested in knowing how that happened. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list Archives, Digests, etc at http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: xfs vs. resiserfs
On October 4, 2001 07:19 am, Collins Richey wrote: > Well, I've just gone through the exercise of removing xfs from my > jbllinux distro. I got tired of wiating for xfs to catch up with > current kernel releases. As luck would have have it, xfs have made a > major leap forward in the last day or two - they are now offering > patches for 2.4.10. Oh well, you still can't use any of the ACn > kernel series with xfs. And, as far as I know, grub still can't > handle xfs. > > Now that all my releases (jblinux, gentoo, Caldera 3.1 beta) are > comfortably at home on reiserfs, I did a little searching to see what > I'm missing performance-wise. You can view the results at > > http://www.namesys.com/benchmarks/benchmark-results.html > > If I read the results correctly, xfs (whatever other benefits it may > supply) is about 2-5x slower on most operations for smaller block > sizes and 1-2x slower even for the largest block sizes. So, it's not > a great loss for me to end this experiment. The principal advantage of xfs is that offers much increased 'state' and data integrity to the system over IDE or even a number of other so-called journalling file system. It's more how and when data is committed to disk and how that is managed and indexed across large-scale production systems. It was never intended for home/desktop use. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT New Grandson
On October 3, 2001 08:33 am, Tom Wilson wrote: > Congratulations to you and your family. A welcomed addition I'm sure. I > haven't had a good Cuban in .well, I've never had a Cuban. > Are we still talking about cigars? -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: photographs online at last
On October 3, 2001 03:00 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > > That was Kurt not me, I would have said it. Shite! I'm confused again. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info
On October 2, 2001 05:58 pm, Ian Marchak wrote: > Hmmm, interesting, I am looking at the SX840...I don't see myself > needing the space a full tower would give me...but great minds must > think alike. I like the fact that adding fans on the front is a snap in > upgrade, if I need them. > Yep. And in the tower the two internal bays in the bottom for hard drives, etc. can be removed as a single piece. You can have 3 drives in each (as an example) and you don't have to fuss about with it down on the floor. Just disconnect the cables on the back, flip a locking lever, and the whole works slides out in one piece. > I actually was looking at this one, or a similar one by them (found it > through reviews), but when my vendor heard I wanted a 1.4 GHz, he > recommended a different one by Coolermaster, that supposedly "offers > slightly better cooling" (3-4 degrees, but it was only about 5 bucks > more). I made sure that whatever it was, it had been approved by AMD. > Each to his own, but check the specs first - your dealer may be influenced by other things. The two main CoolerMaster coolers for this CPU produce an airflow of 21.16 and 17.3 cfm and a noise of 34.5 dB(A). The ThermalTake Copper Orb is rated at 23.1 cfm and a noise level of only 29 dB(A). > They definitely seem like a very attractive option, and not too > expensive either. Do you have a server somewhere to leave files for > Linux when you are in WinX and vice versa? Or can you have a HD that > stays in the machine all the time? I also have two other drives on the system... one ext2 and the other fat32. These are permanently fitted and I can access both in Linux. > > > Burns, thanks again, like I said, it's nice to hear it from a 3rd party. Glad to help, Ian. :o) -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New monitor
On October 2, 2001 01:35 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > What do you mean by "no usable X display"? I have not run into an issue > where changing monitors required an X config change except when going to a > crappy monitor from a good one (if I have 1280x1024 set and the new monitor > only has 800x600 or something like that). > If the frequency ranges and mode settings for the displays defined in your /etc/X11/XF86Config file do not match those of your new monitor, then you will have to reset the X server parameters in that file from run level 3. However, going from one common/generic monitor to another of the same size and general specs (as you point out) probably will not necessitate a change. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT New Grandson
On October 2, 2001 09:15 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote: > Lisyt > > wll I have been hard at work here slaving over this & that, BUT Sunday > afternoon, it all came to a head. My second grandson was born, he is also > my third grandchild. We are a strutten like a Peacock here. If you would > like to see a couple 0of pictures of this little guy, soon to be a Linux > user as his dad is, go to this url: > http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/s/sandoval/ > A cute little cuss indeed. Congrats Gramps. BTW, I hate to say this, but I think he may be a Windows user. He's holding up his three fingers, poised to invoke the Microsoft kernel management tool... 'control-alt-delete' -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: photographs online at last
On October 2, 2001 09:56 pm, Keith Antoine wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:36, you whispered in my pinkie: > > % > that giant slurping sound coming from your cable modem is me ;) > > % > nice pics! > > % > > % Shee**! Thats a long bloody straw. Are they any good The pics I > > mean. > > > > There are several jokes of dubious propriety that I steadfastly refuse > > to insert here. Must...exercise...restraint... Horse cobblers! Now's a fine time to get all discrete, after subjecting us all these years to your Crystall Balls, Magic Wands and (beyond all else) the infamous thong thing! :oP -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: hey everybody.. we're on lwn!
On October 2, 2001 10:43 am, Mike Andrew wrote: > > I would just like you 'gentlemen' to know that I strongly believe in > Groucho Marx's saying.. B***dy Hell. I didn't know you were a Marxist! (It's those Norfolk Islanders, at it again) -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Barbie.com and KDE 2.1.2
On October 2, 2001 05:11 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When my girls try to visit Barbie.com using Konq the screen won't load. Is > this a "windows" site? They don't have any problems accessing the site in > windows (using ie or netscape). Is there anything I can do to get it to > load - plugins, settings? Works just fine on Konqueror 2.1.1 -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info
On October 1, 2001 11:22 pm, Collins Richey wrote: > > With all those fans, how noisy is the beast? Well you certainly know when its on. I've had noisier systems. But, as this is a full tower, it doesn't sit on top of the desk anyway. It sits underneath and it really doesn't bother me. YMMV -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info
On September 30, 2001 11:04 pm, Ian Marchak wrote: > > I figured as much, I just wondered about the ability to disable them. > Suggested by Jerry, no drivers no IRQ, were you able to disable the > built-ins in the BIOS or how? > The board I'm using is the model you inquired about... the ECS K7S5A. I disabled unwanted devices easily in the bios settings. I have the manual here in front of me if you have any questions. BTW, the FSB runs at a choice of either 200MHz or 266MHZ. The only negative thing I've heard is that Athalons don't run at flat out optimum on early models of this board. There was a slight performance hit that, apparently, has been cured by the most recent bios upgrades/flashes. > I've posed these questions to the vendor I am speaking with, and it's > not that I don't trust the guy, but it's nice to hear these things from > impartial 3rd parties. Be aware that Athalons run hot. And the Athalon Thunderbirds are reputed to run VERY hot. However, I have a great case (http://www.antec-inc.com/product/cases/sohoser.html). I chose the black model for sex appeal (I'm getting sick of beige). The key lockable front door hides the inevitable beige add-in components (CD, floppy, etc.). I added an additional 3 in. toe fan at the bottom. It came with dual 3 in. exhaust fans in the back. I also use a Thermal Take Copper Orb heatsink & fan (http://www.thermaltake.com/du0462-9.htm). As a result I never exceed 40C. I departed from the norm (for me) and decided I was tired of faffing about with dual booting. I still need Windows/MS Office occaisionally when a contract specifies Excel or Word deliverables. So, I laid down some extra dosh on a couple of removable hard drive frames and cases. I have two 13Gb Quatum drives, so I can just switch the drives and reboot without making any changes in the bios. BTW, I definitely re commend investing in DDRAM. With a 266MHz FSB, it's definitely worth it and prices are a bargain right now. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M'soft CD topartners about "Competing with Linux"
On September 30, 2001 11:17 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: > Chang wrote: > % you were taklomg about damages from within? well... what can I say... > % > % > Relying on a firewall alone is not "security" to any kind of > professional % > industry standard. Unfortuantely, it is a v ery common > configuration. > > No, what Burns meant (if I may) is that far too many organizations > believe a firewall is sufficient protection against attack, which it > isn't. > > Properly conceived security is comprised of layers of protection, not > some electronic equipment of the Maginot line that airplanes can fly > right over. > Exactly. Most proper, industry-grade, security includes 'defense-in-depth' and, as a minimum, a 'DMZ'... essentially a "kill zone" between layers where intruders can be identified and dealt with before they breach the inner layer of defense. Typically, intrusion detection systems (IDS) sit off to the side, monitoring this DMZ. Remember, almost by definition, every firewall is pierced to allow qualified traffic through. This means that every firewall can be breached, it's just a matter of when, how and by whom. Physical safeguards alone are not enough either. A very large proportion of breaches and compromises can be traced back to poor procedures and security practices - such as failing to keep patches current, use of weak passwords and other forms of authentication, failing to change default passwords, etc. But you are right, Chang, industry analysts estimate that as much as 40-60 percent of security incidents in corporate networks are caused from within. These are more difficult to deal with, but there are also methods for doing just that, such as using fireguards, non-intrusive usage pattern monitoring, creating 'access communities' or work-based access restrictions, etc. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Building a machine on the cheap - MB Info
On September 30, 2001 09:44 am, Jerry McBride wrote: > > I have decided I want to go down the Athlon route... > Good choice. I am running an Athalon Thunderbird 1400MHz and it flies (stable too)! > Nice start. Prices have really been dropping like leaves lately. I've seen > $30 256meg > sdrams at work... > I picked up 512Mb of DDRAM when I was building this box for about $70 per 256Mb stick. > > One board that has shown favorable reviews for quality and reliability, > > the ECS K7S5A, which includes AC97 audio (which is supposed to be the > > same across al boards is it not?). "SiS 7012 PCI" are the specs from > > the ECS website. And a built-in NIC, which according to the ECS site is > > a: "SiS900 PCI Fast Ethernet". > I am using an ECS card with the TBird. It uses the SiS 735 chipset and it has ethernet, graphics, NIC, sound support and a game port. However, I'm not a big fan of onboard components (they usually provide cheesy performance), so I've disabled them and am using my own add-ons. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: AT&T USB Ethernet device
> On Tuesday 25 September 2001 13:54, Keith Antoine wrote: > >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 03:02, you wrote: > > > which uses an USB Ethernet device (not a modem, as best I can tell), > > > and > > > > As with many USB devices you may/will have to recompile the kernel to get > > them recognised. However from memory which is very faulty these days, I > > do not remember there being any selection for a usb ethernet device. I > > have a cable connection with ethernet and cable modem, so I know nothing > > about your setup. > Hi Keith, I don't know of a USB ethernet module, but 'acm.o' controls modems and ISDN adapters. You probably already know this, but there are two different mainboard chipset implementations, each requiring a different module in order to enable the onboard USB controller... modules 'usb-uhci.o' and 'usb-ohci.o' . You can tell which one you need to use by checking out the response to the following command (as root) lspci -v | grep USB. Use of the wrong one could give either no connectivity, or weird performance. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: NIMDA worm: JavaScript
On September 22, 2001 11:31 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: > Previously, Joel Hammer chose to write: > > I thought from all I had read about JavaScript that it was designed to be > > safe. > > I recall on another list someone said he had downloaded a malicious html > > doc and others on the list claimed that was impossible. This was a long > > time ago, like 8 months. > > Anyway, the following update is rather alarming: > > http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html > > Even linux boxes are getting infected from their windows clients if they > > run samba. There was a fix posted on the samba mailing list. > > Joel > > Hi Joel, > I didn't see anything in the advisory pertaining to Samba, was that > something you just got from the samba list? > The worm will also propagate through network shares. It isn't going to activate and infect a Linux client, but a linux client could 'share' it to other Windows boxes on the same network if they are unlucky enough to pull across that file. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: IP Spoofing
On September 22, 2001 09:32 am, Joel Hammer wrote: > What is the most sensible way to prevent IP Spoofing on a Caldera 2.4 box > with an updated (2.4) kernel? I am using ipchains and tcpwrappers. COAS -> Network -> TCP/IP -> Resolver, tick 'prevent IP spoofing, I believe. Can't check as I'm on a SuSE box at the moment. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CNN poll
On September 20, 2001 07:10 pm, Dave Kuhlman wrote: > That is why some of us suggest that we not call it a "war". > > This is and should be a police action. Perhaps it is a very large > police action. But, wars are between nations. Wars are fought > over territory. There is no other nation here, unless you want to > bomb a few helpless Afganies (sp?), and make them even more > miserable than they already are. And there is no territory. God > help us if we want Afganistan. > Wars have most often been fought between nations because that is the scale of the resources usually needed to participate. Websters offers two definitions: the first describes it as a conflict between nations, or parties within a nation; the second defines it as any conflict, struggle, or strife such as the 'war on poverty.' > Our political leaders are calling it a war for the same reason you > are calling it a war. They believe that they can stir up more > emotions and support by doing so. > Support, yes. It would be hard to suggest that emotions haven't already been stirred up by the terrorist acts themselves. In fact, it is a strong arguement that as the senior elected representative of the American public, GWB is just reflecting the outrage and demand for justice that the American citizens feel and expect their President to act upon accordingly. > If I was George W or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff or > the head of the FBI, I would, too. Trying to promote a war > would certainly be more pleasant than admitting that I had failed > miserably to protect the security of our nation at the cost of > thousands of lives and billions of dollars. > That's an unfair statement. Nothing is 100 percent, that includes even the best intelligence support, especially in a free and democratic western society. It's one of life's little dichotomies... if you impose the absolute measures to provide as perfect an intelligence and security system as possible in order to protect your democratic state, then by definition, you have just destroyed or at least violated the principles you are, in fact, trying to protect. However, all of this have to be balanced against society's perceived need to mitigate risk. That perception of risk has just undergone a very large adjustment over the last 2 weeks. Over recent years the intelligence community in the US and elsewhere (except perhaps Israel) has been forced to deal with increased fiscal, legal and ideological restrictions, due in no small measure to the perception by the lay public and politicians that 'the Cold War is over, we won, we can reduce our effort.' That notwithstanding, there are some intelligence problems that do not lend themselves to easy armchair solutions. Terrorism, be definition, is a very difficult activity to target. Indicators are usually small, indistinct, and difficult to discern against a constant threshold of background noise. Most of all, this type of activity is difficult to predict, although it's amazing the number of armchair experts who come out of the woodwork, after the fact, to proclaim their expertise in hindsight. Intelligence, especially at the strategic or national level, most often relies upon trend analysis to develop profiles of targets, including indicators of how they operate and what they need to do in order to conduct a specified activity. These indicators are the "alarm bells" that point to an impending event. The more indicators you have, the more confidence and accuracy you can provide in a warning. For this reason, these indicators are targetted by the intelligence community's collection and reporting efforts, as much as the groups themselves. However, this attack was unprecedented in both method and scale. How do you predict something that has never occured before? Moreover, the 'signature' or 'footprint' of these groups is much more subtle than that of a large conventional military force - they are much smaller, more mobile, more able to blend into the background, less structured and thus less predictable. From what I have seen reported in the media, these groups usually don't use devices or operate in a way that is unique or are easily detected against the normal background threshold of civilian activity... and they do that on purpose. This isn't a problem that can be solved by throwing up a couple of satellites, while the public goes back to shopping at Walmart. It is a difficult challenge that will require extraordinary measures on a prolonged basis... that is why it is a 'war' and that is why it is both unfair and uninformed to imply that this event was caused by a simple case of negligence or oversight. Sorry for the length of this post. I didn't want to break the thread, but if this is going
Re: nimda worm
On September 21, 2001 10:01 am, Bill Day wrote: > Of course it is a "problem" but I closed IE before it could dl the file. > I did let konquerer download the file, figured since it was linux it would > be pretty much immune to it.. how ever the Java must be the culprit, > allowing it to write to any writeable shares and aross open network > connections(SAMBA for instance). > > I, cleaned before using LookOut so as to not infect the users on my address > book.. This worm seems to ahve been well planned in that it propigates > itself in almost every way imagineable.. > Nimda uses java scripting. I have turned js off on my daughter's windows box. Filtering against *.exe files is also recommended. There is detailed info here, including a rundown on all the changes it makes to a system: http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2001-26.html -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Special Report
On September 18, 2001 12:35 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: > All you need to have is boring and chamfering done to match the .308 brass, > nothing else as they are both short shells. Most .303's I've seen are shot > out and not too accurate. Good enough for 100 yard deer guns but not 300 > yards or more. So unless you are doing it because you cant find .303 shells > where you live, fine, otherwise don't waste money on it. Go to a gun show > and get parts left and right for the mini-30. > > On Monday 17 September 2001 22:45, dep wrote: > > On Monday 17 September 2001 22:59, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: > > | A seagull told me that the UK is going to do some house cleaning > > | soon. > > > > true. and i have my jungle carbine -- i heard that they can be > > rechambered to .308, but i don't know the details (hell -- i don't > > know anybody who can fix the bore of my mini-30, either) -- right > > here. and if the saladin horde comes up the hill -- well, it wouldn't > > be a crowd exactly unfamiliar with the .303 message. I was under the understanding that the 30:30, 308, 3006, 303, etc. were all 30 caliber bores but had differences in the design of the cartridge. The history of the numerical designation varies, as an example the "30 ought 6" was supposedly first designed in 1906. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 11:56 am, dep wrote: > On Monday 17 September 2001 11:22, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: > | Why dont you burn your pasport and go have some crepes and fruit, > | you have been away from meat and potatoes too long. > > unfair. roger has explained his meaning, and he's one of the good > guys. you wanna see the bad guys, look here: > > http://www.beatbackbush.org/index1.html A thinly disguised front for what otherwise would be the The Coomunist League of America, Anarchists R Us, and the National Front for the Liberation & Promotion of Almost Everyone that Doesn't Earn a Paycheck Through Honest Work. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 11:17 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > I did not disagree with any of that. Bin Laden is an opportunist using > what he defines as religion as a framework for taking control. He may even > believe what he preaches. I think he does. And if we are going to deal > with him and 'the base' we should understand this and assume that they > really believe it. Otherwise we will be shooting in the dark. And perhaps > upset others to no end. > It's interesting to read the life of the prophet Mohammed and the bio of bin Laden in juxtaposition. There are many parallels that allow for a very interesting comparative analysis. Mohammed was, a pious warrior lay-cleric whose focus was on establishing a new world orde based upon fundamental Islamic values. Everything I have read indicates that bin Laden is emulating, very closely, the life of Mohammed, including leading of the 'Armies of Islam' against an 'evil empire.' In short, he fancies himself to be a latter day prophet... the Modern Mohammed (although with somewhat fewer scruples and a diminished sense of mercy or decency). -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 11:38 am, Ronnie Gauthier wrote: > Our main concesion to Pakistan is the layoff of $30B in debt they owe us. > <139 lines of quotes snipped> Please trim your posts... netiquette 101 -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 08:09 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > But if we look at the bin Laden complaint against the US: > > - The US currently has a state of military occupation in > KSA (Saudi Arabia). The US came when Iraq acted up, but they > have not left. > And Sadam is still in power, refuses to adopt a peaceful posture toward his neighbours and is still a significant threat. If Kuwait or Saudia Arabia asked the US to leave, they would as they did in the Philippines. > - bin Laden has problems with the KSA royal family. He, and > many others too afraid to say so, would prefer a proper > Islamic setup, perhaps like in Iran these days. However, > the US is, effectively, supporting continued suppression of > the Saudi peoples by their support of the royal family. > Many people in Iran don't like that regime either. None of these countries are open democracies as we are used to in the west... but then they are different cultures. The point is that there is significant dissent everywhere in that region, with the possible exception of Jordan. > - So, he wants the US out of KSA so the country can move forward. > As long as the US stays, he feels it is a military occupation > that does more to support the royal family than to deter Iraq > or increase peace in the area. And, peace in KSA and the Gulf at > the price of attacks at home? > > In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just > stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over > oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started > by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible. > So, your answer to murder is to stay out of the murderers sight and not do anything to attract their attention? A bit simplistic perhaps, but you normal people don't go out and muder 5,000 people becuase you disagree with their approach to religion, politics or economics. > I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will > never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way > to be a target? > Don't look now, Roger, but your 'low principles' warning light is on. I think what you are proposing is to cower in your home just in case, by going out after dark, you might attract a bully, a thief, a murderer, or a rapist. And if you do, well, then it was your fault and you should apologize. I don't mean this personally, but people with ideas such as that deserve to be subjegated by terrorism and are a threat to their own freedom and that of their neighbours. BTW, Canada lost about 100 of our citizens in that attack and we have done nothing to Saudia Arabia, Islam, or, unfortunately, Usama bin Laden. No matter how you try to explain and excuse it, killing 5,000 innocent people in a massive atrocity is not "alright" or "understandable" no matter how you slice it. It is wrong, it is an outrage and it is an affront to all people who have any sense of fairness, compassion or human decency. Obviously, YMMV. -- burns > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 19:19:48 -0400 > > burns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On September 17, 2001 03:30 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > | > I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' > | > part that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what > | > everyone considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay > | > out. Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything > | > we do not take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US > | > always does things, everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The > | > world will go to hell if the US sits back? There is another problem. > | > Ego. The US just has to accept the fact that they cannot make the world > | > safe. To paraphrase Keith, as long as there are humans, there will be > | > those who cause problems. > | > | "Doing nothing is itself a course of action, but inevitably a bad one" > | > | This isn't about going around fixing other people's problems. Terrorism > | affects us all, directly. It has been a long festering sore. It's now > | erupted into a putrid cancer that must be dealt with. I don't think free > | countries of the world will tolerate this anymore. They have said "OK, > | this has gone too far. We're pissed off and morally outraged. Now we're > | going to deal with this." > | > | To this end, I don't think 1939 Chamberlain appeasement or inactivity is > | either practical or appropiate, given what has occurred. In WWII some > | countries capitulated politically to the
Re: New York WTC
On September 17, 2001 03:30 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: > > I think the US has always done this. It is the 'correct and proper' part > that has been the problem. What we consider to be so is not what everyone > considers to be so. The US would do much better to just stay out. > Do nothing. Let people complain about that. By not doing anything we do not > take sides. OK, through inaction, but if it is how the US always does > things, everyone will pretty much be treated the same. The world will go to > hell if the US sits back? There is another problem. Ego. The US just has to > accept the fact that they cannot make the world safe. To paraphrase Keith, > as long as there are humans, there will be those who cause problems. "Doing nothing is itself a course of action, but inevitably a bad one" This isn't about going around fixing other people's problems. Terrorism affects us all, directly. It has been a long festering sore. It's now erupted into a putrid cancer that must be dealt with. I don't think free countries of the world will tolerate this anymore. They have said "OK, this has gone too far. We're pissed off and morally outraged. Now we're going to deal with this." To this end, I don't think 1939 Chamberlain appeasement or inactivity is either practical or appropiate, given what has occurred. In WWII some countries capitulated politically to the Nazis. Others simply stood back and allowed them to roll through their country to commit atrocities upon their neighbours. They have since been struggling to downplay and expunge a part of their history that they are not very proud of. But the stigma will always remain - when the time came to do the right thing, they did nothing. Peace is a noble goal we all strive for. But not at ANY cost not when the price is the diginity of a nation and the future security and well-being of our children. There comes a time when good people must act. How would you feel if you did nothing and next year one of your own children were killed by these same terrorists? -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On September 17, 2001 03:40 am, Chang wrote: > Frankly, I question the value of this search program. And we could stop > this program from running without crashing a plane into WTC, right? :) > > Not funny. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SETI...
On September 16, 2001 09:10 am, Jerry McBride wrote: > On Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:51:13 -0400 "Douglas J. Hunley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > why not distributed.net? or genome@home? or folding@home? > > at least their clients are optimized to get the most out of your idle > > time and not designed to on purpose to use a non-optimized algorithm... > > ;0 > > I'd rather find E.T. than bust someones idea of a good encryption code key. > :') And why should I burn cycles so some big corporation can more quickly patent genomes and hold us all hostage for health care? -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: M$ Flight Simulator
On September 16, 2001 10:23 am, Lee wrote: > According to the New York Times M$ has decided to remove depictions of > the World Trade Center for its Flight Simulator Game. Are they being > patriotic or just recognizing the fact that the WTC is no longer there > and that their game could have been used as a training aid? > Yes. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A sad day
On September 15, 2001 03:35 pm, Shawn Tayler wrote: > Its is with a very heavy heart that we must announce the passing of our > daughter, Sydney K. Tayler. Sydney was stillborn at 10:26PM, Sept 14, > 2001. We do not know the reason why Sydney was taken from us. She was > found to have no heart beat during a routine weekly checkup. An > ultrasound examination at Washoe Medical Center, confirmed that she had > left us. Our deepest sympathy. There is no greater sadness than the loss of a child. As we all have discovered this week, sometimes things in life make no sense at all, especially when we are dealt a blow that could not have been expected. We have no alternative but to accept our sorrow and move forward, looking for the goodness that may come tomorow. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Pinging all hosts
On September 15, 2001 10:33 am, Joel Hammer wrote: > > But, there is a fourth host, 192.168.0.1, on my network, which doesn't > show, even though I can ping it just fine with ping 192.168.0.1. > Is there something special about the .1 member of the network? No. > This is a windows host. Could that be why? Probably. There are a number of conditions required to make ping work e.g. ICMP, echo Try running traceroute against that address. It should describe where it is dropping off. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Pinging all hosts
On September 15, 2001 09:48 am, Joel Hammer wrote: > I seem to recall there is a way to ping all hosts on a network, but, I > can't figure it out. Ping your local broadcast address. For a class C subnet this might be 192.168.1.255 If you are using an "outside IP" on an extended network such as a direct connection to a cable modem, you might want to use this with some discretion, as you will ping everyone on that segment. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Modem CS Light Blinking
On September 15, 2001 09:49 am, James McDonald wrote: > Heres a weird problem, > > The problem I am having is that whenever the MAC is downloading the CS > (Carrier sense) light blinks on and off constantly. The blinking stops as > soon as I stop the MAC from downloading. I thought that a blinking CS light > signified a bad line but the problem occurs when an internal client is > using the link. Are you getting a high collision count? What does ifconfig say? -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: On a nicer note...
On September 14, 2001 03:24 pm, Ian Marchak wrote: > > Today is a national day of mourning in Canada, and we stand in sorrow, side > by side our US neighbours. There was a moving ceremony held in Canada's > capital today, of which I only managed to hear snippits, and pause for 3 > minutes' silence at noon today which was more powerful than I could have > imagined. I was there, on Parliament Hill. They estimate that as many as 100,000 people gathered on the hill to show their respect for those who perished, their outrage at the prepetrators and their support, friendship and solidarity with our American neighbours and "cousins." This sentiment of being both neighbours and extended family was echoed by the Prime Minister , who was there with the Governal General (the Queen's representative in Canada), the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and the US Ambassador. This was an unusual and moving event. It was an offical state mourning sevice, which in the past has only been conducted to mark the death of a member of our Royal Family, our Prime Minister, or our Governor General. 100,000 people cheered when the Star Spangled Banner was played and again when the US Ammbassador said that together we will track down and destroy this evil cancer. But, overall, it was an solemn and meditative event. Never before have I seen 1000,000 people created such a deafening silence. You could here a pin drop - not a cough or whisper could be heard throught the 3 minutes silence, the tolling of the muted hour bell from the Peace tower and during the lone piper's lament which followed. At that point, 100,000 people, many with tears rolling down their cheeks, turned and slowly walked away into the city in complete silence. It was an eerie and moving gesture by the Canadian people - perhaps more moving than any words that could have been offered to our friends - and it came straight from the heart. If you have a videoplayer plugin here is a CBC coverage: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/ram-lo/moscovitz_ottawa010914.ram Sorry to ramble on like this, but I still feel affected by the event. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I am proud to say
On September 13, 2001 03:41 am, Keith Antoine wrote: > They have also tried to donate > blood by flooding into the red cross donor centres, however blood itself > cannot be sent for some reason. The recipients might turn into Aussies. > It's the content - Oz blood is flammable. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New York WTC
On September 13, 2001 07:37 pm, Joel Hammer wrote: > occurred at Munich. There Hitler got want he wanted, the There is a well-established rule in these types of discussions that has stood the test of time and become integral to Netiquette... Once a thread focuses on a discussion of Hitler, it must be immediately killed. <# shutdown -h now > R.I.P. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A good report from Canada
On September 12, 2001 08:10 pm, Scott Thornley wrote: > Not that I disagree with the sentiments, but I received the same document > > from another list as well, along with the following: > >It is very important to note that this particular commentary is *not > >current*. > > > >Gordon Sinclair died in 1984. This was written on June 5th, 1973. > That is true. But it does not change the facts or the sentiments. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: A good report from Canada
On September 12, 2001 07:19 pm, JW wrote: > Ok.. that's over done, but I really do appreciate at least this man, and > would love to find that many of his fellow citizens think likewise. I live in Ottawa, Canada's capital. Yesterday, the entire city was filled with shock and outrage. People gathered on the streets and anywhere there was a TV or radio. There was only one topic of conversation. Blood banks were opened across the city and by the afternoon there were an average of 4-5 hour lineups to give blood for dispatch to hospitals in New York. In fact, by mid afternoon television and radio stations announced that the Canadian Blood Service had maxxed out and could not accept any more donors. Emergency workers throughout Eastern Ontario and Quebec were put on immediate alert to move in to support and provide relief to those in New York state, should they be needed. Today every flag on every building throughout our nation's capital, government or corporate, was at half mast and will probably remain that way for the rest of the week. As big as Canada and the US are, there are very close ties between our nations. Today we found out that a number of colleagues and friends of people on our project team were in the WTC in NYC and have not been heard from since the incident... they are presumably lost. Canadians are a funny people. We pride ourselves on moderacy, openess and a blind faith in basic decency that approaches niaivety. Yet yesterday everyone I talked with was filled with both shock and anger. My wife called me at work on my cell phone when the story broke and she could hardly speak. It's true we sometimes have small "family" trade tiffs with our cousins to the South, but from what I saw yesterday, it's clear that Canadians take great exception to any group that would commit such a barbaric and outrageous violation against our good friends and neighbours - members of our North American "family". It takes a lot to get Canadians mad... yesterday I saw it happen in spades. Today it is turning into a great knawing sadness as the full realization of the tragedy is beginning to soak through the shock and anger. To all our American friends, we stand with you. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
