Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 14:10, you wrote: That's one set of cookies I'll be erasing http://www.interwise.com/live/viewevent.asp?eventid=574 Cheers, Zoran. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Jan 30 LESLEY was heard saying: -On Tuesday 29 January 2002 14:10, you wrote: -That's one set of cookies I'll be erasing *** Yep, especially when you foind out, by trying to sign-up for an on-line participation, that only users with Win95/98/Me/2000/XP and IE5.x are supported... Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On January 29, 2002 09:02 am, Bruce Marshall wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. I fully expect that some day in the not too distant future, there will be a 'Microsoft Internet' and an Internet for the rest of us. They're going to make it happen. Bill already did that. Flash back to 1995... When MSN first started it was conceived of as a giant private network. Popularity of the Internet was still ramping up and Netscape owned the browser space. Try as Microsoft might, they couldn't compete with the booming success of the Internet, so MSN was revamped to become a service *on* the Internet and Microsoft increased even further their efforts to seriously dominate the browser space by starting to offer their browser free. Now things have gone full circle. With .Net MS looks to make a stab at establishing significant control over the Internet - or at least the software content people are running over it. Bill's ultimate goal will be realized. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. I fully expect that some day in the not too distant future, there will be a 'Microsoft Internet' and an Internet for the rest of us. They're going to make it happen. Joel On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:10:36AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.interwise.com/live/viewevent.asp?eventid=574 Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/29/02 09:01 + ++ Neuroses are red, Melancholia's blue, I'm schizophrenic, What are you? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:44 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. I fully expect that some day in the not too distant future, there will be a 'Microsoft Internet' and an Internet for the rest of us. They're going to make it happen. List In my life I have tried many things, have had many successes and a few failures. Well I am going to express a failure here, please I beg you not to be too harsh on me, I feel bad enoughg. I had a conversation with my grown son last night, was not real intelligent, oh well that is another issue. He was spouting the virtures of Windows, Office XP etc. I tried to explain the cost difference, availiablity and the ease of keeping your system in top computing shape. His answer, I do not have time for that crap. Where did I go wrong here? I feel so ashamed, violatedg. Someday maybe he will realize his errors and return to the fold. Actually a friend of his put XP on a machine has had nothing but problems ever since. I would think he would have gotten the message. What is a dad to do? cheers -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
Rick Sivernell wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:44 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. Snip Is it possible it could go the other way. Simply absorb Linux by making M$ applications easier to run in Linux with just enough M$ Proprietary script to keep from running afoul of the GNU when you sell it. With enough resources you could run the small companies specializing in this type of software out of business and force Linux to become dependent on M$. Before snorting ridiculous ask yourself what would you or someone else pay for a Linux compatible version of M$ word or Excel how many copies of Wine are sold each year? Hell! Gates has enough resources to even develop a M$ version of Linux based on the Caldera Greed model. As long as the profits come to M$ it should be a matter of indifference if a server is running Win, 2K, Xp, Nt or WinLinux. And if the thing has the usual M$ security caverns it would be Linux who would take the knocks. Lee ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
Rick Sivernell wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:02:44 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 7:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. I fully expect that some day in the not too distant future, there will be a 'Microsoft Internet' and an Internet for the rest of us. They're going to make it happen. List In my life I have tried many things, have had many successes and a few failures. Well I am going to express a failure here, please I beg you not to be too harsh on me, I feel bad enoughg. I had a conversation with my grown son last night, was not real intelligent, oh well that is another issue. He was spouting the virtures of Windows, Office XP etc. I tried to explain the cost difference, availiablity and the ease of keeping your system in top computing shape. His answer, I do not have time for that crap. Where did I go wrong here? I feel so I think we all want a machine that we can just use. Linux may take more time to tweak to get it to where you like it, but it stays there and doesn't break. I see posts from people who are (and I have nothing against this, I just don't practice it myself) constantly replacing software.1.2.3 with software.1.2.4 and causing no end of grief for themselves and spending more time tweaking and building than using. Linux is like Lego, if you buy a package, you can follow the plan and build a little car/plane/boat, or like many Linux users, you can try and swap out the wheels/wings/hull for a slightly better but not necessarily more functional set. I think more emphasis on the fact that Linux _does_ work out of the box, and less emphasis on the tweakbility is what's needed. He doesn't _need_ to spend ...time for that crap if he doesn't want to. -- Linux SxS [http://sxs.webhop.net] ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Tuesday 29 January 2002 9:59 am, Lee wrote: Is it possible it could go the other way. Simply absorb Linux by making M$ applications easier to run in Linux with just enough M$ Proprietary script to keep from running afoul of the GNU when you sell it. With enough resources you could run the small companies specializing in this type of software out of business and force Linux to become dependent on M$. Before snorting ridiculous ask yourself what would you or someone else pay for a Linux compatible version of M$ word or Excel how many copies of Wine are sold each year? Hell! Gates has enough resources to even develop a M$ version of Linux based on the Caldera Greed model. As long as the profits come to M$ it should be a matter of indifference if a server is running Win, 2K, Xp, Nt or WinLinux. And if the thing has the usual M$ security caverns it would be Linux who would take the knocks. Not ridiculous at all Scary. Some very good possibilities there. -- ++ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/29/02 10:29 + ++ The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning and does not stop until you get into the office. - Robert Frost ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:17:56 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] cried out in frustration: In my life I have tried many things, have had many successes and a few failures. Well I am going to express a failure here, please I beg you not to be too harsh on me, I feel bad enoughg. I had a conversation with my grown son last night, was not real intelligent, oh well that is another issue. He was spouting the virtures of Windows, Office XP etc. I tried to explain the cost difference, availiablity and the ease of keeping your system in top computing shape. His answer, I do not have time for that crap. Where did I go wrong here? I feel so ashamed, violatedg. Someday maybe he will realize his errors and return to the fold. Actually a friend of his put XP on a machine has had nothing but problems ever since. I would think he would have gotten the message. What is a dad to do? = This is what happens when we spare the strap, Rick! ;o) Mike -- The great question... which I have not been able to answer... is, `What does woman want?' -- Sigmund Freud _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
Michael Scottaline [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:17:56 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] cried out in frustration: In my life I have tried many things, have had many successes and a few failures. Well I am going to express a failure here, please I beg you not to be too harsh on me, I feel bad enoughg. I had a conversation with my grown son last night, was not real intelligent, oh well that is another issue. He was spouting the virtures of Windows, Office XP etc. I tried to explain the cost difference, availiablity and the ease of keeping your system in top computing shape. His answer, I do not have time for that crap. Where did I go wrong here? I feel so ashamed, violatedg. Someday maybe he will realize his errors and return to the fold. Actually a friend of his put XP on a machine has had nothing but problems ever since. I would think he would have gotten the message. What is a dad to do? = This is what happens when we spare the strap, Rick! ;o) Mike Actually, Rick, the important thing to remember is that the practice of mildly deviant behaviour is quite normal. Just tell your son to promise to only practice such behaviour in private and wash his hands thoroughly afterwards. rickf -- This message was sent using KTB.net InTouch with Tomorrow. For more information visit http://www.ktb.net ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
Rick, answer, I do not have time for that crap. Where did I go wrong here? I feel so ashamed, violatedg. Someday maybe he will realize his errors and return to the fold. Actually a friend of his put XP on a machine has had nothing but problems ever since. I would think he would have gotten the message. What is a dad to do? Well, first, Rick, remember our M$PA (Microsoft Parents Anonymous) group meets at the Grange Hall on Tuesday evenings. We'd love to see you come down and visit tonight. ;-} But let us remember that our younger folk tend to respond well to child psychology. Tell him you support his efforts to become a more well rounded sheep, er, person. Nod sagely and encourage his experimentation. You might even provide him with a boot partition (known to have sector problems) that he can use to experiment at home. ;-} It would be good to mention the evils of FreeBSD, while you are at it. After all, freedom to choose is all he's really after. ;-}9 == tongue firmly in cheek In Harmony's Way, and In A Chord, Tom :-}) +--+ | Thomas A. Condonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Computer Engineer phone: (360) 315-7609| | Barbershop Bass Singer Registered Linux User #154358| +--+ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
dep wrote: On Tuesday 29 January 2002 09:17, Rick Sivernell wrote: | Actually a friend of his put XP on a machine has had nothing but | problems ever since. I would think he would have gotten the | message. What is a dad to do? laugh when it blows up on him and, if he mentions it, say, i do not have time for that crap. FWIW, this is EXACTLY what I did at my house. I stopped supporting Windows completely at home. Any problems and they were on their own. My response would be, if it were linux, I could help you. I support Windows enough at work, I certainly don't want to do it at home. My son's PC is now 100% linux while I still have Win98 laying around so that I can use it for doing my taxes. (I'm finally Quicken free, using GNUCash.) Rick, your son might find this article interesting. It's not written by anyone at LinuxPlanet, but it's good none-the-less: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23777.html Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
I did that too. My son and one daughter both ended up using linux, since windows just wouldn't run on either or their two machines, after a while. My son got a laptop for school, and had to replace windows98 with XP, because the latter would crash several times a day. XP hasn't crashed yet, though. My daughter hates me but uses linux mostly. My wife's 98 machine is still working fine. The only reason for using windows is AOL. I thought AOL and MS weren't getting along, but AOL keeps windows in my house. Joel FWIW, this is EXACTLY what I did at my house. I stopped supporting Windows completely at home. Any problems and they were on their own. My response would be, if it were linux, I could help you. I support Windows enough at work, I certainly don't want to do it at home. My son's PC is now 100% linux while I still have Win98 laying around so ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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I really appreciate the sympathy you have soong. My son is 30 and lives in Atlanta. As far as support I have weened him, I do not know 98 XP, nor do I. tell him about Linux till he shuts up. Works everytime. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1 Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
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[ snips ] On Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:50:19 -0800 Condon Thomas A KPWA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But let us remember that our younger folk tend to respond well to child psychology. Tell him you support his efforts to become a more well rounded sheep, er, person. Nod sagely and encourage his experimentation. You might even provide him with a boot partition (known to have sector problems) that he can use to experiment at home. ;-} It would be good to mention the evils of FreeBSD, while you are at it. Right on! FreeBSD - my favortite evil! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area WWTLRD? - FreeBSD 4.4 + xfce + sylpheed ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
On January 29, 2002 07:45 am, Joel Hammer wrote: This is really interesting. MS is taking linux seriously. This means that we will see increasing incompatibility between MS and linux software, like samba. Just minor stuff, but enuf to make using a samba server not worth the trouble. And, expect to see more problems in translating MS documents into non-MS software, too. Why not. There are billions of dollars at stake. Microsoft has already announced the death of Samba after the current version. They will be moving to an embedded, proprietary protocol. You were peeking weren't you? g -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Linux Compete for Microsoft partners
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