Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
The cloest thing to this was the IFWP consensus calls. I still have them here in a file folder; the disconnect between them and what is, is major. At 02:12 PM 5/18/00 -0700, Greg Skinner wrote: >John the Repoman wrote: > >> P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in >> the world a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard >> even - no ppd return envelope necessary) on major issues under >> consideration by ICANN to get a feel for the sentiments of the net >> community? More or less than a trip to Berlin or Cairo or Santiago...? >> The internet is akin to a new global community whose opinions will be >> heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with >> an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with >> noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not >> addressed fairly. > >I wonder if we'd learn much different from what we already know. >In the US, over half the population doesn't bother to vote in major >elections. (Most domain registrants are in the US.) And if most of >them *did* vote, you'd get complaints about how the US is taking over the >Internet. There would also be arguments over how you count the votes of >a corporation vs. those of an individual vs. those of a noncommercial >organization vs. those of an educational organization vs. ... (you get >the idea), not to mention why people who don't have domain names aren't >getting to vote even though they are the end users and have arguably >equal rights. > >--gregbo > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ph-1.613.473.1719 It's about travel on expense accounts to places with good beer. - BKR
[IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
John the Repoman wrote: > P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in > the world a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard > even - no ppd return envelope necessary) on major issues under > consideration by ICANN to get a feel for the sentiments of the net > community? More or less than a trip to Berlin or Cairo or Santiago...? > The internet is akin to a new global community whose opinions will be > heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with > an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with > noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not > addressed fairly. I wonder if we'd learn much different from what we already know. In the US, over half the population doesn't bother to vote in major elections. (Most domain registrants are in the US.) And if most of them *did* vote, you'd get complaints about how the US is taking over the Internet. There would also be arguments over how you count the votes of a corporation vs. those of an individual vs. those of a noncommercial organization vs. those of an educational organization vs. ... (you get the idea), not to mention why people who don't have domain names aren't getting to vote even though they are the end users and have arguably equal rights. --gregbo
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all, Thank you Joe for addressing my question so promptly and directly. We [INEGroup] are pleased to see that sunrise +20 is not to become a policy with the .GOD gTLD. I hope that the DOC/NTIA and ICANN can take a lesson from this wise and stability minded decision. !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > Sorry Jeff - forgot to address the rest of your question. I've been busy > with people sending in so many queries to dot.god. > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy > > Joe? > > That does not work with .GOD. Were not having any of that nonsense. We > intend to operate a professional registry that will provide stable domain > name resources and not the instability which is ICANN. > > Regards > Joe Baptista > > > and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those > > variations might be as follows: > > > > Crispybrain-songbird.god > > CrispyCrockett-songbird.god > > ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? >;) > > > > Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be > > so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount. > > > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > > Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has > > > already register icann.god. > > > > > > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god > > > > > > Regards > > > Joe Baptista > > > > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > > > Joe and all, > > > > > > > > How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there > > > > are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike? > > > > > > > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a > > > > > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come > > > > > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration. > > > > > > > > > > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Joe ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repoman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Corliss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fighting > > > > > > > > the battle on the other person's terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in > > > > > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at >large > > > > > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight >if you > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it? > > > > > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet > > > > > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, >particularly > > > > > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then >that > > > > > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. >Ultimately > > > > > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at >any UDRP > > > > > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect. > > > > > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent >salesman > > > > > > > selling something > > > > > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not. > > > > > > > Nonetheless: > > > > > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I >suspect he: > > > > > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical >value of > > > > > > > the item he sells. > > > > > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo >prospect! > > > > > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not >even need > > > > > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.' > > > > > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - >especially with > > > > > > > a fat > > > > > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) >in > > > > > > > 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of > > > > > > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little >'songbird > > > > > > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's >I'd say in > > > > > > > TM and DNS. > > > > > > > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is. > > > > > > > Any word in 'Webster' (
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Sorry Jeff - forgot to address the rest of your question. I've been busy
with people sending in so many queries to dot.god.
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy
> Joe?
That does not work with .GOD. Were not having any of that nonsense. We
intend to operate a professional registry that will provide stable domain
name resources and not the instability which is ICANN.
Regards
Joe Baptista
> and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those
> variations might be as follows:
>
> Crispybrain-songbird.god
> CrispyCrockett-songbird.god
> ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? >;)
>
> Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be
> so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount.
>
> !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> > Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
> > already register icann.god.
> >
> > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
> >
> > Regards
> > Joe Baptista
> >
> > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > Joe and all,
> > >
> > > How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there
> > > are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
> > >
> > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
> > > > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
> > > > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
> > > >
> > > > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Joe ;-)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Repoman wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > of fighting
> > > > > > > the battle on the other person's terms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> > > > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> > > > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if
>you
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> > > > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> > > > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
>particularly
> > > > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then
>that
> > > > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs.
>Ultimately
> > > > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at
>any UDRP
> > > > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> > > > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent
>salesman
> > > > > > selling something
> > > > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> > > > > > Nonetheless:
> > > > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I
>suspect he:
> > > > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value
>of
> > > > > > the item he sells.
> > > > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> > > > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even
>need
> > > > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> > > > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> > > > > > obviously
> > > > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially
>with
> > > > > > a fat
> > > > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> > > > > > 2002.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> > > > > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little
>'songbird
> > > > > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd
>say in
> > > > > > TM and DNS.
> > > > > > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> > > > > > Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address
>in
> > > > > > the global DNS.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
>think
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> > > > > > sperm as a drastic example.
> > > > > > ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell
>an
> > > > > > Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
>en
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all, Ok thank you Joe. >;) !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > Joe and all, > > > > Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it > > to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization. > > By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy > > Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities > > and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those > > variations might be as follows: > > Wait until I get the new machine online. And then you and friends can > register as many as you want. I should also advise tha the registry will > be beta testing and during that period the domains will be given out for > free. There will be a charge but that will only be implimented next > year. Since people will be helping us test the system - inlcuding the > implimentation and testing of a floating root - there will be no charge in > exchange for their assistance. > > > Crispybrain-songbird.god > > CrispyCrockett-songbird.god > > ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? >;) > > You got it: > > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispy-songbird.god > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispybrain-songbird.god > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispycrockett-songbird.god > > Regards > Joe > > P.S. I'll put you on an announce list so you'll be notified when the > registry become operational. > > > Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be > > so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount. > > > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > > Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has > > > already register icann.god. > > > > > > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god > > > > > > Regards > > > Joe Baptista > > > > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > > > Joe and all, > > > > > > > > How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there > > > > are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike? > > > > > > > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a > > > > > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come > > > > > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration. > > > > > > > > > > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Joe ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repoman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Corliss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fighting > > > > > > > > the battle on the other person's terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in > > > > > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at >large > > > > > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight >if you > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it? > > > > > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet > > > > > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, >particularly > > > > > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then >that > > > > > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. >Ultimately > > > > > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at >any UDRP > > > > > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect. > > > > > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent >salesman > > > > > > > selling something > > > > > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not. > > > > > > > Nonetheless: > > > > > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I >suspect he: > > > > > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical >value of > > > > > > > the item he sells. > > > > > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo >prospect! > > > > > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not >even need > > > > > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.' > > > > > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are > > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - >especially with > > > > > > > a fat > > > > > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN tri
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > Joe and all, > > Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it > to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization. > By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy > Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities > and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those > variations might be as follows: Wait until I get the new machine online. And then you and friends can register as many as you want. I should also advise tha the registry will be beta testing and during that period the domains will be given out for free. There will be a charge but that will only be implimented next year. Since people will be helping us test the system - inlcuding the implimentation and testing of a floating root - there will be no charge in exchange for their assistance. > Crispybrain-songbird.god > CrispyCrockett-songbird.god > ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? >;) You got it: http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispy-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispybrain-songbird.god http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?whois=crispycrockett-songbird.god Regards Joe P.S. I'll put you on an announce list so you'll be notified when the registry become operational. > Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be > so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount. > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has > > already register icann.god. > > > > http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god > > > > Regards > > Joe Baptista > > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > Joe and all, > > > > > > How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there > > > are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike? > > > > > > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote: > > > > > > > > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a > > > > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come > > > > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration. > > > > > > > > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations? > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Joe ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Repoman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Corliss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap > > > > > > > > > > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > > of fighting > > > > > > > the battle on the other person's terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in > > > > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large > > > > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if >you > > > > > > can > > > > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it? > > > > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet > > > > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, >particularly > > > > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then >that > > > > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. >Ultimately > > > > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at >any UDRP > > > > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect. > > > > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent >salesman > > > > > > selling something > > > > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not. > > > > > > Nonetheless: > > > > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I >suspect he: > > > > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value >of > > > > > > the item he sells. > > > > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect! > > > > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even >need > > > > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.' > > > > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are > > > > > > obviously > > > > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially >with > > > > > > a fat > > > > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in > > > > > > 2002. > > > > > > > > > > > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of > > > > > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little >'songbird > > > > > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all,
Sure, that would be fine. Send me the bill. And than I will grant it
to either Kent or a worthy non-profit sunrise +20 supporter organization.
By the way does Sunrise +20 work with your .GOD TLD as a policy
Joe? I hope not. But if so, randomly select the best 20 possibilities
and variations of Crispy-songbird.god for me as well. Some of those
variations might be as follows:
Crispybrain-songbird.god
CrispyCrockett-songbird.god
ect... ect... I think you can follow the direction here joe? >;)
Reserve a few of those for Michael Graham as well would you be
so kind to do so. And bill me on the total amount.
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
> already register icann.god.
>
> http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
>
> Regards
> Joe Baptista
>
> On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > Joe and all,
> >
> > How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there
> > are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
> >
> > !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> > >
> > > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
> > > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
> > > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
> > >
> > > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Joe ;-)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Repoman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > [...]
> > > > >
> > > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
> > > > >
> > > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > > of fighting
> > > > > > the battle on the other person's terms.
> > > > >
> > > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> > > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> > > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
> > > > > can
> > > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> > > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> > > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
>particularly
> > > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
> > > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
> > > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any
>UDRP
> > > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> > > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
> > > > >
> > > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent
>salesman
> > > > > selling something
> > > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> > > > > Nonetheless:
> > > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect
>he:
> > > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
> > > > > the item he sells.
> > > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> > > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even
>need
> > > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> > > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> > > > > obviously
> > > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially
>with
> > > > > a fat
> > > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> > > > > 2002.
> > > > >
> > > > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> > > > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
> > > > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd
>say in
> > > > > TM and DNS.
> > > > > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> > > > > Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
> > > > > the global DNS.
> > > > >
> > > > > FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
>think
> > > > > of
> > > > > off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> > > > > sperm as a drastic example.
> > > > > ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
> > > > > Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
>endorsement
> > > > > of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
> > > > >
> > > > > >Of course he still hasn't replied
> > > > > >properly to my 17 points.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
> > > > > opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly
>advised:
> > > > > 'Don't hold your
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Shall I register it in your name Jeff? Or in crispies name? Someone has
already register icann.god.
http://god.pccf.net/cgi-bin/whois.cgi?icann.god
Regards
Joe Baptista
On Thu, 18 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> Joe and all,
>
> How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there
> are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
>
> !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> >
> > > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
> > > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
> > > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
> >
> > songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
> >
> > Regards
> > Joe ;-)
> >
> > >
> > > Repoman wrote:
> > >
> > > > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> > > >
> > > > [...]
> > > >
> > > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
> > > >
> > > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
> > > >
> > > > > of fighting
> > > > > the battle on the other person's terms.
> > > >
> > > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> > > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> > > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
> > > > can
> > > > afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> > > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> > > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders,
>particularly
> > > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
> > > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
> > > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any
>UDRP
> > > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> > > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
> > > >
> > > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
> > > > selling something
> > > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> > > > Nonetheless:
> > > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
> > > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
> > > > the item he sells.
> > > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> > > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
> > > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> > > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> > > > obviously
> > > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
> > > > a fat
> > > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> > > > 2002.
> > > >
> > > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> > > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
> > > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say
>in
> > > > TM and DNS.
> > > > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> > > > Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
> > > > the global DNS.
> > > >
> > > > FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can
>think
> > > > of
> > > > off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> > > > sperm as a drastic example.
> > > > ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
> > > > Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the
>endorsement
> > > > of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
> > > >
> > > > >Of course he still hasn't replied
> > > > >properly to my 17 points.
> > > >
> > > > There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
> > > > opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly
>advised:
> > > > 'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
> > > > (although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
> > > > ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
> > > >
> > > > Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
> > > > interesting
> > > > comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
> > > > very nicely by you Patrick!)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
> > > > world
> > > > a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
> > > > return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get
>a
> > > > feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to
>Berlin
> > > > or Cairo
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
Joe and all,
How does Crispy-Songbird.god sound joe? >;) Oh yes, of course there
are no trailing "-'s"... Is that ok with you Louis or Mike?
!Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
>
> > As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
> > .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
> > up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
>
> songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
>
> Regards
> Joe ;-)
>
> >
> > Repoman wrote:
> >
> > > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
> > >
> > > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
> > >
> > > > of fighting
> > > > the battle on the other person's terms.
> > >
> > > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> > > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> > > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
> > > can
> > > afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> > > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> > > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly
> > > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
> > > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
> > > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP
> > > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> > > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
> > >
> > > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
> > > selling something
> > > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> > > Nonetheless:
> > > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
> > > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
> > > the item he sells.
> > > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> > > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
> > > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> > > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> > > obviously
> > > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
> > > a fat
> > > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> > > 2002.
> > >
> > > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> > > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
> > > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in
> > > TM and DNS.
> > > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> > > Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
> > > the global DNS.
> > >
> > > FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can think
> > > of
> > > off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> > > sperm as a drastic example.
> > > ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
> > > Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the endorsement
> > > of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
> > >
> > > >Of course he still hasn't replied
> > > >properly to my 17 points.
> > >
> > > There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
> > > opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly advised:
> > > 'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
> > > (although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
> > > ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
> > >
> > > Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
> > > interesting
> > > comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
> > > very nicely by you Patrick!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
> > > world
> > > a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
> > > return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a
> > > feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin
> > > or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose
> > > opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with
> > > an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with
> > > noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not
> > > addressed fairly.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k memb
Re: [IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
On Wed, 17 May 2000, Jeff Williams wrote:
> As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
> .GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
> up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
songbird.god is taken. any other choices? or sunrise variations?
Regards
Joe ;-)
>
> Repoman wrote:
>
> > Patrick Corliss wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
> >
> > Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
> >
> > > of fighting
> > > the battle on the other person's terms.
> >
> > Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> > a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> > and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
> > can
> > afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> > Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> > arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly
> > if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
> > spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
> > (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP
> > will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> > 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
> >
> > Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
> > selling something
> > (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> > Nonetheless:
> > Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
> > a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
> > the item he sells.
> > One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> > Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
> > to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> > Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> > obviously
> > bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
> > a fat
> > 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> > 2002.
> >
> > b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> > the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
> > whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in
> > TM and DNS.
> > Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> > Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
> > the global DNS.
> >
> > FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can think
> > of
> > off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> > sperm as a drastic example.
> > ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
> > Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the endorsement
> > of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
> >
> > >Of course he still hasn't replied
> > >properly to my 17 points.
> >
> > There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
> > opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly advised:
> > 'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
> > (although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
> > ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
> >
> > Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
> > interesting
> > comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
> > very nicely by you Patrick!)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> > P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
> > world
> > a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
> > return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a
> > feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin
> > or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose
> > opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with
> > an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with
> > noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not
> > addressed fairly.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Contact Number: 972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph#
> Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
>
>
>
[IFWP] Re: Kent's Rhetoric and Bombast - and ICANN the Scam..
John the Repoman and all,
John, you have aptly captured in your own adept manner the
scam that ICANN has become to anyone that has half a brain,
and exercises it just a tad. >;) Maybe we should hang a label on
it as "ICANN-ISCAM"? Has a ring to it doesn't it? >;)
As for Kent, well the bullshit flowith! Joe B. How about a
.GOD special domain for Kent and Songbird. I know you can come
up with something wholesome! >;) Send me the bill on the registration.
Repoman wrote:
> Patrick Corliss wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I should rise above that but it's hard not to fall into the trap
>
> Been there myself unfortunately from time to time. :-(
>
> > of fighting
> > the battle on the other person's terms.
>
> Battle? The gradual TM lobby usurpation of the DNS has been conducted in
> a 'closed door' manner as far as I suspect the internet community at large
> and domain holders are concerned. I see little to no battle. Why fight if you
> can
> afford to insure victory by just buying it?
> Judge and jury are financed by trademark holders in the current internet
> arbitration scenario. If enough precendents in favor of TM holders, particularly
> if common language terms like 'songbird' are in place in the UDRPs, then that
> spells good (!$) business and invites establishment of more UDRPs. Ultimately
> (if not already) the consideration of the the position of an arbiter at any UDRP
> will also be based on his/her disposition on TMs I suspect.
> 'Never bite the hand that feeds you'!
>
> Re Kent: I perceive Kent in this forum by now as a bright and eloquent salesman
> selling something
> (the TM scam) you have to (currently!) buy whether you wish to or not.
> Nonetheless:
> Much like the rare successful sale of a refigerator to an Eskimo, I suspect he:
> a.) enjoys making 'the sale' the reference rather than the practical value of
> the item he sells.
> One Eskimo convinced is a sure fire reference for another Eskimo prospect!
> Kent would sell the 'energy efficiency' of the unit, 'as it does not even need
> to be plugged in to maintain food safety standards.'
> Intelligent Eskimos like you or !Dr.Joe and many others on this list are
> obviously
> bad for business. Roberts would seem to be a much easier sell - especially with
> a fat
> 'factory buyer rebate' easily financing the next ICANN trip to Nepal (?) in
> 2002.
>
> b.)he seeks ( I'd hate to sell Kent short) 'world domination' of
> the word 'songbird' in the DNS. He may just be sweating his little 'songbird
> whatever' TM right about now. 'Songbird' is about as thin as it get's I'd say in
> TM and DNS.
> Ask any kid on the street what he/she thinks a 'songbird' is.
> Any word in 'Webster' (TM!) certainly has every and no claim on an address in
> the global DNS.
>
> FCFS! A premise that built the US, Australia and every other country I can think
> of
> off hand that has any global significance today. This concept is as old as
> sperm as a drastic example.
> ('Thank god for the big TMs up at ICANN, but I should at least try to sell an
> Eskimo here and there myself - if anything to convince myself by the endorsement
> of some real Eskimo.' type of rationale on Kent's part? )
>
> >Of course he still hasn't replied
> >properly to my 17 points.
>
> There are very few (if any) Eskimos on this list that would jump at the
> opportunity of buying a fridge I've noticed. As Heather already aptly advised:
> 'Don't hold your breath!' He can't reply compellingly to your points here
> (although I wish he would try). Now as before I find Kent a valuable testing
> ground of 'TM pro/con lobby argumentation'.
>
> Please continue your thought provoking, IMO important and often truly
> interesting
> comments on this list. Most reflect my exact thoughts (verbalized
> very nicely by you Patrick!)
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> P.S.: I wonder how much it would cost to mail every domain(s) registrant in the
> world
> a brief opinion questionaire (even by snail mail (argh)- postcard even - no ppd
> return envelope necessary) on major issues under consideration by ICANN to get a
> feel for the sentiments of the net community? More or less than a trip to Berlin
> or Cairo or Santiago...? The internet is akin to a new global community whose
> opinions will be heard and the majority will prevail ultimately - hopefully with
> an 'enlightened'(!!) and globally democratic ICANN at it's helm (my wish with
> noted qualifications) but certainly also 'without', if global issues are not
> addressed fairly.
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman INEGroup (Over 112k members strong!)
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contact Number: 972-447-1800 x1894 or 9236 fwd's to home ph#
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
