Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Peder Rovelstad]

MUA == Made Up Acronym lol

Top posting is useful.  It's like being at a cocktail party and you leave
the conversation to get a meatball.  When you return, you ask, "What did I
miss?" and you just drop down one line to review.  

Die, bottom posting, just die.  :)  Back to your regularly scheduled
program!

-Original Message-
From: List [mailto:list-boun...@lists.pfsense.org] On Behalf Of Adam
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 5:39 AM
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Jim Thompson <j...@netgate.com>
Subject: Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

Not just default - many MUAs (gmail, outlook, virtually every web-based
service) don't correctly handle or in some cases even _permit_ the
traditional method at all.

Much like IRC and two spaces a a period, in-line or appended replies are now
historical relics, broadly replaced by things that completely ignore the
older technologies' design decisions and strengths.  Welcome to the future.
:-(

-Adam


On February 23, 2017 12:51:44 AM CST, Jim Thompson <j...@netgate.com> wrote:
>Because that's what most MUAs default to these days. (joke
>intended)
>
>On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:38 AM, WebDawg <webd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why does everyone top post on this list?
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Adam Thompson]

Not just default - many MUAs (gmail, outlook, virtually every web-based 
service) don't correctly handle or in some cases even _permit_ the traditional 
method at all.

Much like IRC and two spaces a a period, in-line or appended replies are now 
historical relics, broadly replaced by things that completely ignore the older 
technologies' design decisions and strengths.  Welcome to the future. :-(

-Adam


On February 23, 2017 12:51:44 AM CST, Jim Thompson  wrote:
>Because that's what most MUAs default to these days. (joke
>intended)
>
>On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:38 AM, WebDawg  wrote:
>
>> Why does everyone top post on this list?
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Jim Thompson]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Travis Hansen  wrote:
> Regardless of this specific issue, I'd prefer the official twitter feed be a 
> bit more...focused.
> In any case, thanks for the great project! Travis Hansen 
> travisghan...@yahoo.com

I just hired someone to take it over, so... in a couple days, and
until they quit, it won't be me.

I'll continue to be myself at @gonzopancho, if you care.

Best,

Jim
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Jim Thompson]

Because that's what most MUAs default to these days. (joke intended)

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:38 AM, WebDawg  wrote:

> Why does everyone top post on this list?
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[WebDawg]

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Travis Hansen 
wrote:

> Regardless of this specific issue, I'd prefer the official twitter feed be
> a bit more...focused.
> In any case, thanks for the great project! Travis Hansen
> travisghan...@yahoo.com
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:45 AM, Ryan Coleman <
> ryan.cole...@cwis.biz> wrote:
>
>
>  > On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mather 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Ryan Coleman  > wrote:
> >
> >> Not that we are anyone who would know anything about that…
> >
> >
> > The best thing to come out of this ugly spat, for me, is that I went to
> the pfSense Twitter feed to see what all the fuss was about (I'm not on
> Twitter) and discovered that pfSense 2.3.3 has just been released! :-)
> >
> > I'd like to give a hearty THANKS to the pfSense project for another
> great release.
> >
> > It also reminds me I really should get around to subscribing to the
> announce@ mailing list... :-)
>
> You should. I think he announced it here at 21:33 CT last night, though… :)
> ___
>
>
I feel like one day, we should all find a place to get together and speak
freely and openly about the things we care about.  Like a vast network of
communication systems/hardware, uncensored (pun intended), that can talk to
each other.

Every list, channel, or whatever I go to now a days...within a few posts
there is always that bright and cheery message:  STAY ON TOPIC.  Because
why could a different topic or cause bring like minded people together to
talk about other things?

Arguments aside, making any conclusions from these posts would be
ridiculous.  It could be the greatest list in the world or the worst.  All
these big words in these emails...too hard to understand.

It's pretty crappy that on one side of the world, the threat of death is
held over someones head because of their spiritual beliefs (atheism,
governmentism, whatever) and to talk about the actions of others and
governments will get you killed (past events, real world coverups), but the
best and brightest here spend time bitching about stuff like this.

I could attack a persons character everyday, that video makes me want to
hit someone in the face really hard, but you know what I am going to do?
What the hell does "foreign" or "made in usa" have to do with any of this?
It just sounds like Ben is angry...but considering all the content that
pops up in my news feed...I do not know what to take seriously.

It could be he just likes to talk a lot.

Lets just all admit that most of the best stuff is made on Earth and that
the lines that divide us suck.  I am sure the person hacking away across
the planet on some ancient hardware, with no internet access, is just as
good as all us folks.

Jim seems like he deserves some respect because of all the hard work that
it seems like he puts in.  No offence, but I have never quantified it.  Ben
wants to defend something that he has spent a lot of time on and its a bit
angry over what Jim said.

I know someone Ben knows, and that guy seems pretty cool and I once wrote
and email to Jim that took at least and hour or two to write and he never
responded.

Ben + Video = What the Hell?
Jim + Email = What the Hell?

If I where Ben, and I ran a business, I would want Jim to back up his
claims that I just dupe other lists, and admit to myself that my senseless
attack on his character is meaningless because what the heck really does
Jim know about where I get my links from and what does any of this have to
do with foreign affairs.

That video is like neat and all, but it sounds like your just mad at
someone and blaming a group of people that you do not know anything about.
Is that really what you want people to see when they are thinking about
using your blacklist?

Even if two lists are the same or similar, it could just be the same
collection process so what the heck is Jim talking about?  Did Jim go
through a bunch of different lists and run a statistical analysis?

If I where Jim, I also wouldn't use the phrase "and likely" because it
sounds like a roll of the dice.

And I am sure, that this carefully constructed response will fall on deaf
ears because they are too busy listening to transcripts of twitter posts
and github comments.

Why does everyone top post on this list?
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Travis Hansen]

Regardless of this specific issue, I'd prefer the official twitter feed be a 
bit more...focused.
In any case, thanks for the great project! Travis Hansen 
travisghan...@yahoo.com 

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 9:45 AM, Ryan Coleman  
wrote:
 

 > On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mather  wrote:
> 
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Ryan Coleman  > wrote:
> 
>> Not that we are anyone who would know anything about that…
> 
> 
> The best thing to come out of this ugly spat, for me, is that I went to the 
> pfSense Twitter feed to see what all the fuss was about (I'm not on Twitter) 
> and discovered that pfSense 2.3.3 has just been released! :-)
> 
> I'd like to give a hearty THANKS to the pfSense project for another great 
> release.
> 
> It also reminds me I really should get around to subscribing to the announce@ 
> mailing list... :-)

You should. I think he announced it here at 21:33 CT last night, though… :)
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Ryan Coleman]

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Paul Mather  wrote:
> 
> On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Ryan Coleman  > wrote:
> 
>> Not that we are anyone who would know anything about that…
> 
> 
> The best thing to come out of this ugly spat, for me, is that I went to the 
> pfSense Twitter feed to see what all the fuss was about (I'm not on Twitter) 
> and discovered that pfSense 2.3.3 has just been released! :-)
> 
> I'd like to give a hearty THANKS to the pfSense project for another great 
> release.
> 
> It also reminds me I really should get around to subscribing to the announce@ 
> mailing list... :-)

You should. I think he announced it here at 21:33 CT last night, though… :)
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Paul Mather]

On Feb 21, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.cole...@cwis.biz> wrote:

> Not that we are anyone who would know anything about that…


The best thing to come out of this ugly spat, for me, is that I went to the 
pfSense Twitter feed to see what all the fuss was about (I'm not on Twitter) 
and discovered that pfSense 2.3.3 has just been released! :-)

I'd like to give a hearty THANKS to the pfSense project for another great 
release.

It also reminds me I really should get around to subscribing to the announce@ 
mailing list... :-)

Cheers,

Paul.

> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Frank Schaffhaeuser <m...@blockdevice.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Spamming mailing lists with profanity doesn't help in operating a 
>> 'successfully business' [sic].
>> 
>> Settle your dispute in private please.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message  
>> From: webmas...@squidblacklist.org
>> Sent: 21 February 2017 11:46 a.m.
>> To: list@lists.pfsense.org
>> Reply to: list@lists.pfsense.org
>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.
>> 
>> Dear Mr. Thompson.
>> 
>> I have spent the last 5 years or my life committed to creating a better 
>> blacklist, the very reason I created Squidblacklist.org was to bring a 
>> better blacklist to the world. Because I saw that shalla and 
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Ryan Coleman]

I’d like to point out that when a competitor of yours had DNS issues you used 
it as an opportunity to state that your product was better because, well, it 
was still in business.

If you were someone that actually cared about user experience you would have 
been there offering free (temporary) service to those who were effected. 
Instead you mocked the other company.

Do you live under a bridge?

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 4:45 AM, Benjamin E. Nichols 
>  wrote:
> 
> Moreover, this is my life, it is my work, and I find your disdain to be very 
> unbased at all on any real issues, aside from my own reactions,  and frankly, 
> that concerns me. And it wouldnt bother me, if it was just you. But you are 
> having a negative impact by essentially slandering Squidblacklist.org 
>  in front of the entire pfsense userbase.

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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Ryan Coleman]

And Benjamin - you can count my business as one of those that will never use 
your service.

I’m doing managed internet for cafes in Minnesota. It would be nice to have 
something like that. 
But I don’t need to do business with someone that can’t settle his issues in a 
calm manner.

And Jim, for the most part, is a calm person. He’s passionate. You, on the 
other hand, are a prick.



> On Feb 21, 2017, at 10:30 AM, Ryan Coleman <ryan.cole...@cwis.biz> wrote:
> 
> Not that we are anyone who would know anything about that…
> 
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 6:21 AM, Frank Schaffhaeuser <m...@blockdevice.net> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Spamming mailing lists with profanity doesn't help in operating a 
>> 'successfully business' [sic].
>> 
>> Settle your dispute in private please.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message  
>> From: webmas...@squidblacklist.org
>> Sent: 21 February 2017 11:46 a.m.
>> To: list@lists.pfsense.org
>> Reply to: list@lists.pfsense.org
>> Subject: Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.
>> 
>> Dear Mr. Thompson.
>> 
>> I have spent the last 5 years or my life committed to creating a better 
>> blacklist, the very reason I created Squidblacklist.org was to bring a 
>> better blacklist to the world. Because I saw that shalla and 
>> urlblacklist were producing garbage. Squidblacklist.org was initially a 
>> free service for the first couple of years. I made this service 
>> available for free, countless hours of work. I had no intention of 
>> creating a paid service and did so only out of necessity. And as a 
>> private operatory I really do not feel that I need to explain or defend 
>> wanting to build and operate a successfully business. Nor shall I have 
>> to explain engaging people discussing blacklists or web filtering on 
>> social media platforms that you may regard as "scummy".
>> 
>> As to your baseless assertion of theft, dear sir, how low can you get?  
>> Have you even tested our works, Looked at them? Have you?
>> 
>> No you have not.
>> 
>> Our blacklists are unique, and they are of my own creation, your 
>> allegation of theft is baseless, insulting, and it is mindless. I doubt 
>> you have ever looked at, analyzed or used our services, because
>> if you had, you would know that isnt true at all. Our blacklists are 
>> COMPLETELY UNIQUE.  Claiming that we "curate" somebody elses works is 
>> nonsense.
>> 
>> I have created a domain discovery and removal system as a result of 
>> countless hours of work, and it is that system that I "curate" day in 
>> and day out, around the clock, at 4am when I need to publish updates, 
>> when I get emailed removal or addition requests, when we need to push 
>> urgent malicious updates, and even, when I  get bullshit remarks on twitter.
>> 
>> 
>> Your disparaging attitude your remarks are disturbing. But the good news 
>> is that nobody needs your approval or official support to use our 
>> blacklists with pfSense, and they are doin so every day. Right now, as I 
>> write this email, systems across the world are fetching automated 
>> updates from our webservers.
>> 
>> Yes, I am not angry at you for your comments and poor regard for myself 
>> and my business, no, I am angry because I care about our users, and 
>> pfsense users. And I care that a mindless, arrogant, abusive individual 
>> such as yourself would make baseless, disparaging remarks without even 
>> having actually tested our works.
>> 
>> Moreover, this is my life, it is my work, and I find your disdain to be 
>> very unbased at all on any real issues, aside from my own reactions,  
>> and frankly, that concerns me. And it wouldnt bother me, if it was just 
>> you. But you are having a negative impact by essentially slandering 
>> Squidblacklist.org in front of the entire pfsense userbase.
>> 
>> And that is simply unacceptable, and will not go unchecked.
>> 
>> 
>> Expect me.
>> 
>> -- 
>> --
>> 
>> Signed,
>> 
>> Benjamin E. Nichols
>> http://www.squidblacklist.org
>> 
>> 1-405-397-1360 - Call Anytime.
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Frank Schaffhaeuser]

Spamming mailing lists with profanity doesn't help in operating a 'successfully 
business' [sic].

Settle your dispute in private please.




  Original Message  
From: webmas...@squidblacklist.org
Sent: 21 February 2017 11:46 a.m.
To: list@lists.pfsense.org
Reply to: list@lists.pfsense.org
Subject: Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

Dear Mr. Thompson.

I have spent the last 5 years or my life committed to creating a better 
blacklist, the very reason I created Squidblacklist.org was to bring a 
better blacklist to the world. Because I saw that shalla and 
urlblacklist were producing garbage. Squidblacklist.org was initially a 
free service for the first couple of years. I made this service 
available for free, countless hours of work. I had no intention of 
creating a paid service and did so only out of necessity. And as a 
private operatory I really do not feel that I need to explain or defend 
wanting to build and operate a successfully business. Nor shall I have 
to explain engaging people discussing blacklists or web filtering on 
social media platforms that you may regard as "scummy".

As to your baseless assertion of theft, dear sir, how low can you get?  
Have you even tested our works, Looked at them? Have you?

No you have not.

Our blacklists are unique, and they are of my own creation, your 
allegation of theft is baseless, insulting, and it is mindless. I doubt 
you have ever looked at, analyzed or used our services, because
if you had, you would know that isnt true at all. Our blacklists are 
COMPLETELY UNIQUE.  Claiming that we "curate" somebody elses works is 
nonsense.

I have created a domain discovery and removal system as a result of 
countless hours of work, and it is that system that I "curate" day in 
and day out, around the clock, at 4am when I need to publish updates, 
when I get emailed removal or addition requests, when we need to push 
urgent malicious updates, and even, when I  get bullshit remarks on twitter.


Your disparaging attitude your remarks are disturbing. But the good news 
is that nobody needs your approval or official support to use our 
blacklists with pfSense, and they are doin so every day. Right now, as I 
write this email, systems across the world are fetching automated 
updates from our webservers.

Yes, I am not angry at you for your comments and poor regard for myself 
and my business, no, I am angry because I care about our users, and 
pfsense users. And I care that a mindless, arrogant, abusive individual 
such as yourself would make baseless, disparaging remarks without even 
having actually tested our works.

Moreover, this is my life, it is my work, and I find your disdain to be 
very unbased at all on any real issues, aside from my own reactions,  
and frankly, that concerns me. And it wouldnt bother me, if it was just 
you. But you are having a negative impact by essentially slandering 
Squidblacklist.org in front of the entire pfsense userbase.

And that is simply unacceptable, and will not go unchecked.


Expect me.

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Benjamin E. Nichols
http://www.squidblacklist.org

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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Benjamin E. Nichols]

Dear Mr. Thompson.

I have spent the last 5 years or my life committed to creating a better 
blacklist, the very reason I created Squidblacklist.org was to bring a 
better blacklist to the world. Because I saw that shalla and 
urlblacklist were producing garbage. Squidblacklist.org was initially a 
free service for the first couple of years. I made this service 
available for free, countless hours of work. I had no intention of 
creating a paid service and did so only out of necessity. And as a 
private operatory I really do not feel that I need to explain or defend 
wanting to build and operate a successfully business. Nor shall I have 
to explain engaging people discussing blacklists or web filtering on 
social media platforms that you may regard as "scummy".


As to your baseless assertion of theft, dear sir, how low can you get?  
Have you even tested our works, Looked at them? Have you?


No you have not.

Our blacklists are unique, and they are of my own creation, your 
allegation of theft is baseless, insulting, and it is mindless. I doubt 
you have ever looked at, analyzed or used our services, because
if you had, you would know that isnt true at all. Our blacklists are 
COMPLETELY UNIQUE.  Claiming that we "curate" somebody elses works is 
nonsense.


I have created a domain discovery and removal system as a result of 
countless hours of work, and it is that system that I "curate" day in 
and day out, around the clock, at 4am when I need to publish updates, 
when I get emailed removal or addition requests, when we need to push 
urgent malicious updates, and even, when I  get bullshit remarks on twitter.



Your disparaging attitude your remarks are disturbing. But the good news 
is that nobody needs your approval or official support to use our 
blacklists with pfSense, and they are doin so every day. Right now, as I 
write this email, systems across the world are fetching automated 
updates from our webservers.


Yes, I am not angry at you for your comments and poor regard for myself 
and my business, no, I am angry because I care about our users, and 
pfsense users. And I care that a mindless, arrogant, abusive individual 
such as yourself would make baseless, disparaging remarks without even 
having actually tested our works.


Moreover, this is my life, it is my work, and I find your disdain to be 
very unbased at all on any real issues, aside from my own reactions,  
and frankly, that concerns me. And it wouldnt bother me, if it was just 
you. But you are having a negative impact by essentially slandering 
Squidblacklist.org in front of the entire pfsense userbase.


And that is simply unacceptable, and will not go unchecked.


Expect me.

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Benjamin E. Nichols
http://www.squidblacklist.org

1-405-397-1360 - Call Anytime.

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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Benjamin E. Nichols]

On 2/21/2017 1:11 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:

It wasn't veiled at all, Ryan.  Nor am I attempting to "win anyone over".

This individual has always been cranky. He wanted us to add code to squidGuard to support 
username+password downloads so he could sell users of pfSense his lists. We said, 
"No".
No, you didnt say "no" you said no, and that it was because you intended 
to offer your own subscription service.  Indicating that you have no 
intention of competing or allowin anybody to compete with you. Which is 
bullshit. I called you out on it, and you didnt like that did you.

If I though Mr. Nichols "offering" (blacklists) was of any value, I'd have sent 
him $2800.00 for a lifetime subscription for everyone using pfSense over a year ago.

http://www.squidblacklist.org/commercial.html

No you wont, you wont be doing any direct business with us.


The only reasons I haven't:

- I can't see any value in what he has.

Thats like, your opinion bro.

- I don't do business with anyone who would post this as a response:

https://vid.me/MsYw (warning: nsfw)

If you dont like my responses, dont antagonize me.


All this individual is offering is a collection of other people's blacklists, 
promoted on Twitter, leveraging (and likely infringing) Cisco's trademark.
Now thats a bunch of horse shit, our blacklists are not even close to 
what they other guys are offering, they are unique and they are our 
creations, your asserting a lot there buddy, and nobody is infringing on 
aything, if you want to open your mouth, do so with some facts, rather 
than simply making a bunch of bullshit up out of thin air because you can.

Curation can be valuable, if performed correctly.  The value of a content 
curator is their ability to filter through the volumes of content and select 
the best, the most original, the most valuable, pieces.

This individual isn't doing any of these.

You sir, are totally full of shit.


pfBlockerNG is a far better solution.
pfBlocker is a a great solution, and also, requires blacklists, what is 
your point here? Were not competing with a pfblocker, we make 
blacklists, pfblocker makes a plugin for pfsense. I fail to see a 
correlation for your remark.


Jim

(asshole)

On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

My point is this: If you have something to say to someone… don’t block them. If 
you want to open a dialog, do so… but you’re making the wrong step here coming 
to the mailing list to make a veiled call out of the project. You knew for darn 
sure who it was that responded.

So… send @GonzoPancho a message privately and take the higher ground. When you 
stoop to his level you don’t win anyone over. And neither does Jim.

—
Ryan


On Feb 20, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:

Really?

⁨Jim Thompson ‏@gonzopancho ⁩ <⁨https://twitter.com/gonzopancho⁩> 9h9 hours ago 

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@Squidblacklist  dude, you blocked me, so 
I'll respond here. I've been snowboarding in Vail the past 2 days. I am enjoying my 
life.
6:12 PM - 20 Feb 2017
You know what you’re doing… I would highly recommend you walk away - you aren’t 
going to win many friends here. From the looks of it you’re the one on the soap 
box.





On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Benjamin E. Nichols > wrote:

Whomever is running the pfsense twitter account is making uncalled for, and 
rude remarks.

I submit to you that the official pfsense twitter account is not a platform for 
one individual to abuse as a soap box to cast insults at whatever persons 
targeted.

We reserve the right to, and will respond accordingly.


--
--

Signed,

Benjamin E. Nichols

Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Jim Thompson]

It wasn't veiled at all, Ryan.  Nor am I attempting to "win anyone over". 

This individual has always been cranky. He wanted us to add code to squidGuard 
to support username+password downloads so he could sell users of pfSense his 
lists. We said, "No".

If I though Mr. Nichols "offering" (blacklists) was of any value, I'd have sent 
him $2800.00 for a lifetime subscription for everyone using pfSense over a year 
ago. 

http://www.squidblacklist.org/commercial.html

The only reasons I haven't:

- I can't see any value in what he has.
- I don't do business with anyone who would post this as a response: 

https://vid.me/MsYw (warning: nsfw)

All this individual is offering is a collection of other people's blacklists, 
promoted on Twitter, leveraging (and likely infringing) Cisco's trademark. 

Curation can be valuable, if performed correctly.  The value of a content 
curator is their ability to filter through the volumes of content and select 
the best, the most original, the most valuable, pieces.

This individual isn't doing any of these. 

pfBlockerNG is a far better solution. 

Jim

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:41 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> My point is this: If you have something to say to someone… don’t block them. 
> If you want to open a dialog, do so… but you’re making the wrong step here 
> coming to the mailing list to make a veiled call out of the project. You knew 
> for darn sure who it was that responded. 
> 
> So… send @GonzoPancho a message privately and take the higher ground. When 
> you stoop to his level you don’t win anyone over. And neither does Jim. 
> 
> —
> Ryan
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
>> 
>> Really?
>> 
>>> 
>> ⁨Jim Thompson ‏@gonzopancho ⁩ <⁨https://twitter.com/gonzopancho⁩> 9h9 hours 
>> ago 
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>> @Squidblacklist  is there a reason 
>> you're so spammy?
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>> calling me spammy? Its called social media, you use it or you dont, we dont 
>> work for free.
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>> @Squidblacklist  dude, you blocked me, 
>> so I'll respond here. I've been snowboarding in Vail the past 2 days. I am 
>> enjoying my life.
>> 6:12 PM - 20 Feb 2017
>> You know what you’re doing… I would highly recommend you walk away - you 
>> aren’t going to win many friends here. From the looks of it you’re the one 
>> on the soap box.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Benjamin E. Nichols 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whomever is running the pfsense twitter account is making uncalled for, and 
>>> rude remarks.
>>> 
>>> I submit to you that the official pfsense twitter account is not a platform 
>>> for one individual to abuse as a soap box to cast insults at whatever 
>>> persons targeted.
>>> 
>>> We reserve the right to, and will respond accordingly.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> Signed,
>>> 
>>> Benjamin E. Nichols
>>> http://www.squidblacklist.org 
>>> 
>>> 1-405-397-1360 - Call Anytime.
>>> 
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Ryan Coleman]

My point is this: If you have something to say to someone… don’t block them. If 
you want to open a dialog, do so… but you’re making the wrong step here coming 
to the mailing list to make a veiled call out of the project. You knew for darn 
sure who it was that responded. 

So… send @GonzoPancho a message privately and take the higher ground. When you 
stoop to his level you don’t win anyone over. And neither does Jim. 

—
Ryan

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 9:35 PM, Ryan Coleman  wrote:
> 
> Really?
> 
>> 
> ⁨Jim Thompson ‏@gonzopancho ⁩ <⁨https://twitter.com/gonzopancho⁩> 9h9 hours 
> ago 
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> @Squidblacklist  is there a reason you're 
> so spammy?
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> calling me spammy? Its called social media, you use it or you dont, we dont 
> work for free.
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> life, if you weren't spreading ur misery on Twitter.
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> @Squidblacklist  dude, you blocked me, so 
> I'll respond here. I've been snowboarding in Vail the past 2 days. I am 
> enjoying my life.
> 6:12 PM - 20 Feb 2017
> You know what you’re doing… I would highly recommend you walk away - you 
> aren’t going to win many friends here. From the looks of it you’re the one on 
> the soap box.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Benjamin E. Nichols 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> Whomever is running the pfsense twitter account is making uncalled for, and 
>> rude remarks.
>> 
>> I submit to you that the official pfsense twitter account is not a platform 
>> for one individual to abuse as a soap box to cast insults at whatever 
>> persons targeted.
>> 
>> We reserve the right to, and will respond accordingly.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> --
>> 
>> Signed,
>> 
>> Benjamin E. Nichols
>> http://www.squidblacklist.org 
>> 
>> 1-405-397-1360 - Call Anytime.
>> 
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>> https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list
>> Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold
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Re: [pfSense] pfsense twitter account making rude comments.

[Ryan Coleman]

Really?

> 
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I'll respond here. I've been snowboarding in Vail the past 2 days. I am 
enjoying my life.
6:12 PM - 20 Feb 2017
You know what you’re doing… I would highly recommend you walk away - you aren’t 
going to win many friends here. From the looks of it you’re the one on the soap 
box.




> On Feb 20, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Benjamin E. Nichols 
>  wrote:
> 
> Whomever is running the pfsense twitter account is making uncalled for, and 
> rude remarks.
> 
> I submit to you that the official pfsense twitter account is not a platform 
> for one individual to abuse as a soap box to cast insults at whatever persons 
> targeted.
> 
> We reserve the right to, and will respond accordingly.
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> 
> Signed,
> 
> Benjamin E. Nichols
> http://www.squidblacklist.org
> 
> 1-405-397-1360 - Call Anytime.
> 
> ___
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> https://lists.pfsense.org/mailman/listinfo/list
> Support the project with Gold! https://pfsense.org/gold

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