[WSG] Re: Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
Thanks for the answers! Somehow my list subscription got deleted right after my post. I've had to re-subscribe and visit the online archive to read the responses. I've no specific examples to provide although plenty exist in the webworld. Recent somewhat abusive remarks on the Google Webmaster discussion pages led me to ask the questions. Folks just don't want to hear that their code and practices just might be the answer to why their sites aren't getting crawled. I've copied the responses, although I doubt that they will listen. Thanks Sharron *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
I do my best to adhere to standards simply because I can. Sharron - Original Message - From: Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues) The search engine thing is pretty much a lie. People are begging Google to factor w3c validity into the relevance of their results, but there's no good reason they should - and I personally believe this is a bit sinister. Invalid code should succeed or fail on its own merits, not because standardistas bully 'validity' into practice. I hold Google in very high esteem for their complete magnanimity over standards while maintaining (some might say as a result) the highest elegance and popularity. If human beings or machines start complaining that this irreverence is in any practical way detrimental to their experience, then standardistas should flock to the rescue. Until then, the notion cannot help but smell mafiosi - protection racket kind of stuff (- You need this 'help' I'm giving you. I know it seems inconvenient and expensive but you really do. - This really doesn't look like help to me. - I don't remember asking you a goddamn thing). ... I sympathise with the client: if I can't justify how it's useful to them, then there's no reason they should be bothered with it. If I can't justify it to myself, there's no reason I should bother myself with it. This is the ultimate opportunity to question yourself and work out whether you adhere to standards because of their actual virtue or simply because you like rules, big crowds, and being better than other people. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.26/594 - Release Date: 12/20/2006 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
The point is there are validation tools, information and help available for free everywhere. It doesn't mean one has to spend money to validate their pages. If one takes the time to build a site for themselves using whatever method, well then why not take a bit more time and use valid code? I'm not an expert nor professional and I still have to ask questions all the time, if I can do it then anyone can. My son once used a garden hose gasket on his car brakes. When I asked what in the world possessed him to trust his life on a garden hose gasket. His reply was it worked, fit and served the purpose. My response was, lol, if you were supposed to use garden hose gaskets in your car breaks then the manufactures would have provided garden hose gaskets in with the brake kit. If your going to do something, shouldn't you atleast try to do your best? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
Hi Barney, I've got to thank you for your input. I certainly appreciate it. Barney you said: The thing is, your rhetorical 'why not' will sound weaker than the client's 'why'. I must clarify that I don't need to clarify the issue to a client. My intention of this post to begin with was not because I have to convince a client. My reason was simply because so many like to argue that validation is not important for any number of reasons. For instance the reference I made to the google webmaster fuss. lol, I spent a bit of time yesterday validating one such fusser's index page.xhtml transitional. I didn't remove the table, I didn't remove all the font tags etc. All I did was make the darn page valid. I don't get anything from such an exercise except for experience and the slight hope that someone in the same position I was at one time might gain some realization that it isn't hard, doesn't have to change their beautiful designs. However I didn't even show them, as they stand on their box firmly entrenched in that it absolutely does not matter to them. My question if why are you asking questions as to if the code matters to google. I've also just for the heck of it because I can, validated and converted to css sites and or pages for several folks for free. I just want to share with them, that valid code is not impossible nor a big pain in the rear to acheive. If I build a site and do get paid for it, well I build valid sites. The client doesn't care, but I do. I did build a site for pay once that didn't and doesn't validate. Well it does except for one (1) small reason, I could not find an valid alternative to (onresize). Other then that and of course the additions made over time by their content input. I didn't do the data base or php programming. Also I could have chosen to leave out the onresize but it would have added an additional click on the reload for users, I opted not to validate and make the onresize automatic. The client didn't care, nor did they know. I've had the distinct pleasure to have carte blanche. Not to infer I am a good site builder, nor professional. Novice with good intentions and a desire to deliver the best I can do. Oh well, I'm glad so many have responded to my questions. It's been interesting. I'm also glad some appreciate my analogy, I was quite afraid it was a bit to off to post. I also hope my typos and mistakes in the text of my posts are not too darn awful. I don't even see them until I read them back after posting. Barney, one other thing... I didn't use the word snot. lol I was a bit more tactful then that I hope. Sharron - Original Message - From: Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is there are validation tools, information and help available for free everywhere. It doesn't mean one has to spend money to validate their pages. If one takes the time to build a site for themselves using whatever method, well then why not take a bit more time and use valid code? I am certainly not suggesting you turn away from validation on principle (I think I gave that impression). The thing is, your rhetorical 'why not' will sound weaker than the client's 'why'. Is that what you're going to tell them, or is that the kind of statement you could only let go unquestioned in a community of web developers? I'm not your client, and you shouldn't feel the need to justify your practices to me. Them, however... As you put it, there is a notion of 'niceness' to validation. But as a paying civilian, it's unlikely your client will sympathise with this. Saying your reason for it is that they will get better search results is an abuse of their ignorance and possibly ours (I'm not quite sure how seriously that was taken). I think you should tell your client that validation will... 1. Make their site accessible cross-browser, cross-language, cross-medium. 2. Be future-proof and never need integral re-designs to work across these factors in the future. 3. Make the back end of the finished product manageable and understandable in case they should ever hire someone else to tweak, upgrade or re-design it in any way. The snot on the shirt is not visible to the client, only 'our friends on the internet' - who should not be your target audience; too many people design for designers, and they are not the ones who need it. Design for the client. Explain to the client how snot is unhygienic, how it will matte the shirt, how it will make it difficult to clean. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join
RE: [WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
opps decided that I may be applying the responses to this thread personally. I do realize that the answers do apply to all, especially those who do have a need to convince clients. My stance was leaning more toward the general website building population. Mom and pops who want and do build their own sites. Although there are plenty of website builders who promote their website business that don't care nor bother. Said major fusser on the google fuss, is a web designer who promotes building websites for a fee. Gosh he made a remark that he would not mislead clients Sharron *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Tissue (valid code) vs shirt sleeves (wysiwyg editors and those who use them and also refuse to use tissues)
hmmm, sorry if off topic and uncouth. I've a rather simple question or two if you please. 1. On a scale of 1-10, how important is W3C validation? 2. How does one convince folks that it is important? 3. Is valid code important to SE? 4. Does it follow, that those who don't care about validation also don't consider accessibility? I've decided that telling people it is important is like telling my 5 year old granddaughter that a tissue is better then her shirt sleeves. Yes the honey, the shirt is convenient, it works and you don't have to go about looking for a tissue. On the other hand, if you use your shirt it's nasty. If I were google had to crawl nasty shirt sleeves, I certainly would think twice before trying it again. Happy Holidays Everyone *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
Thank you all for the help and your time. The site owner has instituted a list format for the menu. I'd like to know why the break tags as she was attempting to use them would not work correctly, when I use xhtml strict on my own site and don't have that issue. I was conviced her problem was related to the css, but the css was validated as was the html, but as soon as you added the strict doc type it went haywire. Again Thank you all! ps I also pass on the reccomendation to remove the tabindex stuff. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0 the br
/ that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu br
{line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
IE and Opera seem to render it the way she intended. Have googled xhtml strick
break tags bugs but have not found anything so far.
This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version.
Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that standard?
ps Thanks for all the responses to the form question I had asked.
Sharron
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
Maybe should mention that these are menu links that she.
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0 the
br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows: .sidemenu br
{line-height: 3px; .
However in FF, Netscape and Mozilla it would appear the css style is being
ignored. The space is too high
IE and Opera seem to render it the way she intended. Have googled xhtml
strick break tags bugs but have not found anything so far.
This does not happen in her xhtml transitional version.
Side note: I've noticed in her html she is using tabindex, is that standard?
ps Thanks for all the responses to the form question I had asked.
Sharron
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
I've asked the site owner if I can submitt a link. I will if she gives
permission. However I did try this and it seems to work.
.sidemenu {
font-size: 13px;
font-weight: bold;
width: 100%;
display:block;
margin-top:0;
padding-top: 0;
margin-left: 0;
line-height:20px;
}
.sidemenu br {line-height: 3px;margin-bottom:
2px;margin-top:2px;display:block; }
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
having a go trying to help a friend figure out why, in xhtml strict 1.0
the br / that are styled in the css style sheet as follows:
*/.sidemenu br {line-height: 3px;/* */./*
*//* [trimmed]
Sharron
A clickable link to this page would help. Otherwise it is a guessing game.
With a simple list /one/ alternative is to assign line-height to the ul.
No br / needed. And, either way, using px for line-height is not a good
idea. Try a raw number.
ul {
line-height: 1.75;
}
ul
lia href=#stuff/a/li
lia href=#more stuff/a/li
lia href=#even more stuff/a/li
/ul
If the goal is to have a one of /unique/ space, I suppose you could use:
br.lead {line-height: 3.5;}
br class=lead /
Best,
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Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl.php is transitional http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl-strict.php is strict the above are links to her two pages. These are on her server and do not reflect any of the playing I've done. lol I wonder too why the breaks and not a list for the menu? I will advise about the possible tabindex interference with browser tabindex or whatever you might call it. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] xhtml strict break tag bug?
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/xhtml/index3.html above is the best I can do, remember I am an amatuer. Netscape and Mozilla are ignoring a few br / tags in the html between the Webado shop and Policy links, have no idea why. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl.php is transitional http://www.webado.net/webado-net-tpl-strict.php is strict Now that I've seen the links in context, I wonder why are the BR for? I guess they are here in case the document shows without styles applied. But that would be more reason to use a UL :) --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Cynthia Reports Warnings 9.4 and 9.5 as relates to form
Please could someone tell me what I'm obviously missing? Below are WARNING results for Cynthia test as relates to the form shown at the bottom. Thanks for any help. Sharron HiSoftware® CynthiaSays - Web Content Accessibility Report 9.4Create a logical tab order through links, form controls, and objects. Rule: 9.4.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'tabindex' attribute. Warning - One or more Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, OBJECT, SELECT and TEXTAREA elements do not use the 'tabindex' attribute. Warning 9.5Provide keyboard shortcuts to important links (including those in client-side image maps), form controls, and groups of form controls. Rule: 9.5.1 - All Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and TEXTAREA elements are required to use the 'accesskey' attribute. Warning - One or more Anchor, AREA, BUTTON, INPUT, LABEL, LEGEND, and TEXTAREA elements do not use the 'accesskey' attribute. Warning This one does not say not passed or warning, but it does not say it passedeither 10.2Until user agents support explicit associations between labels and form controls, for all form controls with implicitly associated labels, ensure that the label is properly positioned. Rule: 10.2.1 - Identify all LABEL elements used within FORM elements. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 109, Column: 66 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 118, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 119, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 120, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 121, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 122, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 123, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 124, Column: 1 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Note: LABEL Element found at Line: 130, Column: 5 is in FORM element at Line: 109, Column: 1. Form : form action="" method="post"fieldsetlabel for=""Vote:/labelinput type="hidden" id="vote" value="" name="id" alt="vote" tabindex="1" /table summary="" tbodytrtd colspan="2"Text.../td/trtrtd colspan="2"label for=""input type="radio" value="0" name="answer" alt="make your mark" id="a" accesskey="l" tabindex="2" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="b" accesskey="m" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="3" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="c" accesskey="n" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="4" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="d" accesskey="o" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="5" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="e" accesskey="p" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="6" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="f" accesskey="q" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="7" //labelTextbr /label for=""input type="radio" alt="make your mark" id="g" accesskey="r" size="0" maxlength="0" value="1" name="answer" tabindex="8" //labelTextbr //td/trtrtd style="HEIGHT: 10px" colspan="2"/td/trtrtdlabel for=""input type="submit" value="Vote" alt="make your mark" id="h" accesskey="s" size="0" maxlength="0" name="vote" tabindex="9" //label/tdtda href=""http://www.###">http://www.###" target="_blank" title="Off Site Link"Text/a/td/tr/tbody/table/fieldset/form ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] set height versus height set to auto
I'm still plugging along learning but I'm once again
stumped. I've been attempting to take a Photoshop design image that was
sliced and diced and make it into a tableless web page. I'm trying to get
this page to look as close to the original design image (
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-sample-lrg-2.jpg warning image is
214 kb) as possible. It is not fluid, it is not perfect.
I'm doing this for myself, just using misc. stuff from a acquaintances site.
So this is not an actual commercial site. This is a practice site for my own
sake.
The index page works and acts exactly as I imagined it should in FF and IE.
css is located here:
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/css/main-style.css
index page is located here:
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/index.html
}
#middlecontent{
width:auto;
height:348px;
position:relative
}
#middlelefttext{
position:relative;
float:left;
clear:right;
height:348px;
width:298px;
color:rgb(0,0,0);
font:10pt Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;
text-align:right;
padding:0px 5px 0px 5px;
background:rgb(255,255,255)
}
#middlerightimage{
position:relative;
right:0px;
top:0px;
float:right;
clear:right;
height:348px;
width:auto;
background:rgb(255,255,255)
}
However, to further confuse me, this page
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/gucci.html, whose
more-style.css (
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/css/more-style.css ) is an
exact replica of main-style, except I've changed the fixed heights to auto:
This was my attempt to make the page expandable in height for that content
area }#middlecontent{width:auto;height:auto;position:relative}#middlelefttext{position:relative;float:left;clear:right;height:auto;width:298px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font:10pt
Trebuchet MS,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:right;padding:0px 5px
0px
5px;background:rgb(255,255,255)}#middlerightimage{position:relative;right:0px;top:0px;float:right;clear:right;height:auto;width:auto;background:rgb(255,255,255)}The
big challenge is the next page, or the Gucci page. This page works great in
IE it adds white space under the purse image, However this page completely
falls apart in FF. I am thinking it is the height in the following portion
of the main-style.css . I've used font sizes in pt, I realize that is not a
very good or accessible practice. I've questions too about link titles, are
they necessary for accessibility? I've not run through any accessibilty
tests so far. Thanks Sharron
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Re: [WSG] set height versus height set to auto
Samuel, You snuck out anresponse as I was
trying to organize my thoughts and text. I've not had oppourtunity to digest
your response yet. I started with a tabled page created when the images was
sliced up and rendered into a html page via image ready. So in essense, I
started building the css from the top table row by turning it into a div. Why is
everything set to relative? I don't know. Why did I build it this way?
Well, cause I wanted to see if I could do it at allfrom image to
css. I'm not a expert and have to learn one div at a time.
I will re read your reply and see what I can do as
you suggested. Thank you too for your response.
Thank you for the help! John,
I think I am making my, thus yourconfusion
worse. I apologize.
index page http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/index.htmluses
main-style.css with fixed heights for the middle areacss: http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/css/main-style.cssThis page renders exactly right in IE 6 and FF
1.5.0.7
gucci.html http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/gucci.html uses the same main-style.css. This page renders
almost right ( except for a small space under last image on the right side
#middlerightimage in IE the whole page falls apart in FF 1.0.5.7 (as I already
know and stated this css is using set height, which I know is wrong here for
this page).
gucci2.html http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/gucci2.htmluses my initial more-style.css http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/css/more-style.csswhich is almost identicle to the first css,all
I've changed is the set height toauto; for that middle area. This
page iscompletely off in FF 1.0.5.7 and IE 6.
gucci3.html http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/gucci3.htmluses more-style3.csshttp://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/ut-web/css/more-style3.css , with your suggested css changes. This page renders almost
perfect in FF 1.0.5.7 with a small white space to the right of the images. This
page in IE 6 is dropping the right image div and cutting off the right side of
the left text div.
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From: "John Faulds" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 9:41
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Subject: Re: [WSG] set height versus height set to
auto
IE = 6 will expand heights to contain content. Other browsers won't.
The reason why everything's getting messed up in FF Opera is
because of the set heights. Editing your CSS in FF, I made these
changes and it looked
OK:#middlecontent{}#middlelefttext{float:left;width:298px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font:10pt
"Trebuchet MS",Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;text-align:right;padding:0px
5px 0px
5px;background:rgb(255,255,255)}#middlerightimage{margin-left:
300px;background:rgb(255,255,255)}Even on your index page, you
probably don't need to set a height; just make sure whatever content
follows after the image is cleared properly as the text next to the
image is floated. (At default text size, the image is longer than the
text anyway, so the the need to clear the following content won't
appear as apparent until the content or text size is increased and
becomes longer than the image.)
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[WSG] Windows XP Narrator
If this is a bit off topic I apologize. I am creating a website for my grand daughter's use. http://www.designbyatfb.com/wisd/sw-one.html I am supposing that I consider this a accessibility issue for her as she can't yet read. Stretching a bit I know. I've 10 of 48 words (or pages complete). Each word has a page of it's own.She has to learn to spell and readeach word by site, by the end of kindergarten. I've used the words in simple sentences. This is my challenge. I've set the each word itself as linked text. Then each word in the sentence as separate linked text. (This I did as I want the separate words in each sentenceto be highlighted on hover.) I want each link to be read on hover. I used Microsoft's Windows XP narrator to read them, but it tries to read the other stuff as well. I can't think of a better method for doing what I want it to do. ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] Browser stats
www.statcounter.com it's free! - Original Message - From: Paul Collins To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 7:00 AM Subject: [WSG] Browser stats Hi all, Just wondered if anyone has a good resource for Browser stats. Currently I've got a few but most get their stats from visitors to the site which can bea bit biased. Currently I've got http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2006/July/browser.php Anyone got better?! Cheers**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 7/28/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] moved swf flash and video test page
I've moved and updated my Flash and Video W3C validation test page. If you want to update your bookmarks, please use this hyperlink: http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/flash-tests.html Thanks! Sharron **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Rounded Corners
Patrick if you don't mind my asking, Why do you shake your head at this? Is the good, bad or what? I tried this on my xhtml strict page. It passes validation but generates several warnings for nested emphasis and empty trimmings. As I try dislike my pages to have errors or warnings of any kind, I won't use this bit of code. However I was curious as to your remark --all I can say is...wow *shakes head* Sharron - Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Rounded Corners Steve Eades wrote: Hi, I have been playing with Spiffy Corners @ http://www.spiffycorners.com/ for an Intranet but the Spiffy assures that it is Anti-aliased rounded corners using pure CSS. No Images. No Javascript. No fluff. I can assume you that it is very easy to implement and scalable. Works on Macs too. Looking at the required markup div b class=spiffy b class=spiffy1b/b/b b class=spiffy2b/b/b b class=spiffy3/b b class=spiffy4/b b class=spiffy5/b /b div class=spiffy_content !-- Your Content Goes Here -- /div b class=spiffy b class=spiffy5/b b class=spiffy4/b b class=spiffy3/b b class=spiffy2b/b/b b class=spiffy1b/b/b /b /div all I can say is...wow *shakes head* P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists
I've downloaded and installed this IE 7 stand alone. However immediately get errors saving settings. None of the buttons work, Have to shut it down via control alt delete buttons. But my regular IE still works! Sharron - Original Message - From: Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists David Dixon wrote: For the newest beta 3, there is a really easy installer located at http://tredosoft.com/IE7_standalone which will do all the installation for you. Thanks for the link David, Out of the box, it appears that this standalone version reads the content of any Conditional Comment, regardless of Version Vector. AFAIK, this trick works well: http://labs.insert-title.com/labs/article809.aspx --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE renderin js wrong
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/bris/index4.shtml can anyone offer a reason or a fix? There are 5 js clocks on sample page. The first clock is always about 10px or so lower then the rest. If you delete the first clock, then the next one in line is lower then the rest. It Only happens in IE. FF, Netscape, Opera and Mozilla all show them the same and as they should be. apparently the css is buried in the js code only runnable on the Glock server. So it can't be altered. Thank you **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] IE renderin js wrong
my apologies. Must have been a problem with the server where the js are located. They have been messed up for days. And several people have torn the actual page apart looking for a fix. I was only one to try. Thanks - Original Message - From: Digby Field To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE renderin js wrong Sharron,I have viewed this in Firefox 1.5.0.4 and in IE 6.0 and all the clocks are lined up as expected.Digby[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/bris/index4.shtml can anyone offer a reason or a fix? There are 5 js clocks on sample page. The first clock is always about 10px or so lower then the rest. If you delete the first clock, then the next one in line is lower then the rest. It Only happens in IE. FF, Netscape, Opera and Mozilla all show them the same and as they should be. apparently the css is buried in the js code only runnable on the Glock server. So it can't be altered. Thank you**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- from Digby Field MBCS phone 01536 771950 mobile 07899 791 257helix digital web site design and developmenthelix site builder corporate web site package including content managementhelix software internet and database application development**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] Tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists
Can anyone tell me if a tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists? I googled and found this, which lead me here. But it does not show a option for the IE 7 Beta screen shots. I don't want to download IE 7. thank you once again **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists
Thanks Mike. I've registered there for a free trial membership. But alas it won't let me log in. I've sent email. It might be resolved before the 24 hours has expired. The service looks promising. Sharron - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:45 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists Sharon wrote: Can anyone tell me if a tool for making screen shots from MSIE 7.0 Beta exists? I googled and found this, which lead me here. But it does not show a option for the IE 7 Beta screen shots. Yes. Browsercam has IE 7 loaded. http://www.browsercam.com/ Sincerely, Mike Cherim http://green-beast.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG]
I've been using the very nice validation toolTV Validation, that wasmentioned here. Actually the FF extension tool. I've used the options to test for among others things, the W3C WAI Priority 1, 2, 3 (AAA). It shows 5 warnings all related tothe js on my page: I want to fix them to meet the standards. But I can't figure out how. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 1. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" src="" 30 /script2. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type='text/_javascript_' src='' 171 /script3. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" 312 /script 314 script type="text/_javascript_" src="" 314 /script 314 noscript 314 div class="statcounter" 314 img class="statcounter" src="" alt="counter statistics" / 314 /div 314 /noscript4. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script src="" type="text/_javascript_" 317 /script5. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" 321 /script **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG]
With some advice from a friend I added this to all my js (noscriptdivimg src="" width="1" height="1" alt="spacer" //div/noscript) Is this acceptable to use a transparent image? Thanks - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:29 AM Subject: [WSG] I've been using the very nice validation toolTV Validation, that wasmentioned here. Actually the FF extension tool. I've used the options to test for among others things, the W3C WAI Priority 1, 2, 3 (AAA). It shows 5 warnings all related tothe js on my page: I want to fix them to meet the standards. But I can't figure out how. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks 1. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" src="" 30 /script2. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type='text/_javascript_' src='' 171 /script3. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" 312 /script 314 script type="text/_javascript_" src="" 314 /script 314 noscript 314 div class="statcounter" 314 img class="statcounter" src="" alt="counter statistics" / 314 /div 314 /noscript4. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script src="" type="text/_javascript_" 317 /script5. W800 [WAI 6.3 (A), US-508-l] Consider providing a noscript alternative after each script tag: script type="text/_javascript_" 321 /script**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/386 - Release Date: 7/12/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] NOSCRIPT element
I forgot to say Thank you for your response! I did go attempt to read the http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=2891, it served only to confuse me further. Maybe I should give up the pursuit. Sharron - Original Message - From: Jens Brueckmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] NOSCRIPT element Hi Scharron, With some advice from a friend I added this to all my js (noscriptdivimg src=../images/spacer.gif width=1 height=1 alt=spacer //div/noscript) Is this acceptable to use a transparent image? No. Please note that your NOSCRIPT element does in no way enhance the accessibility of your page. Including this element the way you did is absolutely pointless. A proper use of the NOSCRIPT element would be to offer content which reflects the outcome of your javascript for visitors without enabled scripting. Cluttering your source with pointless NOSCRIPT elements just for the sake of validation is a futile effort. Moreover, your validator issues a warning, not an error. A close inspection of the techniques for Guidelines 6.2/6.3 state: | One way to accomplish this is with the NOSCRIPT element. http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG10-HTML-TECHS/#scripts-alt It does NOT state you MUST use an NOSCRIPT element with each SCRIPT element. Depending on the intended results of your scripts there are better ways of making your site equally accessible to user agents without scripting support. A very good introduction, Unobtrusive Javascript by Chris Heilmann, can be found at http://onlinetools.org/articles/unobtrusivejavascript/ Last not least the issue of the NOSCRIPT element was subject of a recent discussion on the WebAIM mailing list. I think the archived discussion might be interesting to read: http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=2891 Hope that helps, cheers, Jens -- Jens Brueckmann http://www.yalf.de ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/386 - Release Date: 7/12/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] NOSCRIPT element
Yes that does make sense, as I did disable js via FF and saw no real difference in my pages. The Amber alert ticker at the top stopped, but the link still worked. That was all I saw. So yes not having those tags won't hurt my site nor will they help screen readers and the like. Thank you. - Original Message - From: Nikita The Spider [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] NOSCRIPT element On 7/13/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I forgot to say Thank you for your response! I did go attempt to read the http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread.php?thread=2891, it served only to confuse me further. Sharron, NOSCRIPT is intended as a sort of partner element to SCRIPT. It provides content for user agents (browsers, screen readers, search engines, etc.) that don't have Javascript enabled and thus won't see whatever the SCRIPT block produces. If all the SCRIPT block produces is a dancing bear or some other non-essential fluff, then it is OK to skip the NOSCRIPT element. But if the SCRIPT block creates something important/essential (like a navigation menu) then the NOSCRIPT block serves an important purpose by providing that navigation menu for script-less user agents. With this in mind, can you see how transparent 1x1 images are not going to be of much help? There's no simple answer as to what should go in a NOSCRIPT element, or if you should even have one at all. You can get some hints pretty quickly by turning Javascript off and trying to browse your site. If you find that important parts of your site are missing, those are the gaps that your NOSCRIPT elements need to fill. HTH -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/386 - Release Date: 7/12/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
Susie, forgive my input, but since I use Eric's pop ups on my site I took a
look at your code. Your code is quite a bit leaner then mine. For where you
have only two area's in your css, I have like 4 or five. I don't ever
remember having any issues related to my pop ups working in any browsers I
tested in- IE, FF, Opera, Netscape and Mozilla. You code is also in a li.
I could not make heads nor tails of it, not that is any surprise. Good luck
I will interested to see what the solution will be.
Sharron
- Original Message -
From: Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
Hi Georg
It does have a background! These are the styles for the text popup:
div#content li a span {
display: none;
}
div#content li a:hover span {
display: block;
position: relative;
top:
-250px;
left: 10px;
width: 60%;
padding: 10px;margin: 10px; z-index:
100;
background: #fff;
border: medium dotted #963;
font-weight:
normal;
color: #333;
}
(based on the Meyer one but with a few additions/changes. For example, his
used absolute positioning, but I wanted to use relative.)
Any other thoughts? Anyone? It's really annoying coz I know it must be
something I've done in my stylesheet, as his one works!
The link to the stylesheet is
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/stylesheets/prof.css
- susie
On 13/7/06 5:10 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
My ones work fine on my Mac in Firefox, but in IE (PC) they don't.
I'm assuming that something is conflicting from the rest of my
stylesheet, but I can't work out what. If anyone had any clues, I'd
be very happy grin
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/Professionalism/standards1.html
Add a background to the link on :hover, and it will work in IE/win.
This will do...
div#content li a:hover {background: #edb;}
...or use a background color that's closer to, but /not/ identical with
the existing a:link/a:visited background color.
The reason is that IE needs for something *to change* on that link-cell
itself on :hover in order to repaint it and open up for the span.
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
here is my css for the bottom set of pop up navigation links on my site.
#blinks{height:0px;left:0px;position:absolute;top:299px;visibility:visible;width:180px}
#blinks a{display:block;margin:0 0 0px;padding:5px 10px;text-align:left}
#blinks a:hover{z-index:205}
#blinks a:hover span{background:rgb(0,0,0);border:rgb(128,128,128)
1px;border-style:solid;color:rgb(128,128,128);display:block;left:209px;padding:10px
5px 10px 5px;position:absolute;text-align:center;top:55px;width:300px}
On my index page I have two areas that use popups, on other pages I have
three. Two on left and one on the right sides.
- Original Message -
From: Susie Gardner-Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
Hi Georg
It does have a background! These are the styles for the text popup:
div#content li a span {
display: none;
}
div#content li a:hover span {
display: block;
position: relative;
top:
-250px;
left: 10px;
width: 60%;
padding: 10px;margin: 10px; z-index:
100;
background: #fff;
border: medium dotted #963;
font-weight:
normal;
color: #333;
}
(based on the Meyer one but with a few additions/changes. For example, his
used absolute positioning, but I wanted to use relative.)
Any other thoughts? Anyone? It's really annoying coz I know it must be
something I've done in my stylesheet, as his one works!
The link to the stylesheet is
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/stylesheets/prof.css
- susie
On 13/7/06 5:10 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susie Gardner-Brown wrote:
My ones work fine on my Mac in Firefox, but in IE (PC) they don't.
I'm assuming that something is conflicting from the rest of my
stylesheet, but I can't work out what. If anyone had any clues, I'd
be very happy grin
http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/Professionalism/standards1.html
Add a background to the link on :hover, and it will work in IE/win.
This will do...
div#content li a:hover {background: #edb;}
...or use a background color that's closer to, but /not/ identical with
the existing a:link/a:visited background color.
The reason is that IE needs for something *to change* on that link-cell
itself on :hover in order to repaint it and open up for the span.
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC)
Title: Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC) I use those on my site! lol I love them too. Of course I adapted them to as I wanted them too. I have two nav's on the left. Top one has the pop ups but you don't see them, small transparent gifs used for accessibility reasons the lower one does use pop ups with images. www.designbyatfb.com - Original Message - From: Susie Gardner-Brown To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: [WSG] Meyer's CSS text popups not working in IE (PC) Hi thereI am trying to use some CSS text popups from Eric Meyer's site, as described here: http://meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html. His ones on this page work on IE on a PC as well as Firefox on a Mac ... Not IE5.1 (Mac) but we're not supporting that.My ones work fine on my Mac in Firefox, but in IE (PC) they don't. I'm assuming that something is conflicting from the rest of my stylesheet, but I can't work out what. If anyone had any clues, I'd be very happy grinIt's the link at the bottom of the page where it says 'compare your answer with the suggested answer' ... http://crunchie.tedi.uq.edu.au/trials/UIMED/Professionalism/standards1.htmlCheerssusie **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed
I don't know if this will help, but I added hyper links to my object vs embed test page. As per different browser they all work differently. http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/swftest2.html I don't know what [an error occurred while processing this directive] this is doing there! lol - Original Message - From: pdr Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 3:45 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed Hi Germ its just for a flash file which will act as the banner for the top of the webpage You will need the object … /object tag. Check out this excellent article ... I work this way, and code is widley supported by browsers, and passes validation. http://www.alistapart.com/articles/flashsatay/ thanks for links and help As for your second question: Also when i tried putting the a href tags on either side so that it was a link, it didnt work. any special reason?? I would think that it is because embed … /embed is a block-level elements, and a … /a is an inline element; From the W3: Generally, block-level elements may contain inline elements and other block-level elements. Generally, inline elements may contain only data and other inline elements. Inherent in this structural distinction is the idea that block elements create larger structures than inline elements. [http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/ global.html#h-7.5.3] Regards, Peter -- Peter Dominic Ryan | raycity* : new media solutions : proven [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://raycity.com | mb: 0419 229 738 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Re: what do you use instead of embed
ok I think I finally got the hyper links that I added tested in all the browsers I have available. http://www.designbyatfb.com/test/swftest2.html I do believe that they only work with the swf object file (SEE EXAMPLE 4)in FF, Mozilla, Opera. If you went awhile ago to have a look, I aplogize for making a mess of it. I tried to get the results listed under each example, so no one would have to guess. Sharron **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Left Nav gone in Opera
Thanks David, this in not my site page. But one I was trying to fix for someone. It was a template of sorts with lots of fixes it only worked in IE. My Version of Opera is 8.02. I don't see the left Nav at all at 1024 x 768. The page is supposed to be centered on the page. I am no expert. Let me go back and look again then I will contact off list if need be. Sharron - Original Message - From: David Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Left Nav gone in Opera I think you may have hit a bug in Opera 8 as it works for me in Opera 9. It seems to be there, just not showing the content. If you still want it to work in Opera 8 then contact me off list and I'll look through the code to see what is going wrong. Changing the navbar css from position: relative to position: absolute and top:0px; to top:150px; but this takes it out of the flow of the document so You'll have to move the main content further to the left too. By the way it would also be good to put the links in a ul to make it more semantically correct, instead of using br tags to get new lines, but this wont change how it looks. On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:32:31 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/didge/didge2.htm Been looking at this page for someone. Have gotten everything to work and display correctly in FF, IE, Netscape and Mozilla, however in Opera the Left Nav is not showing. I cannot for the life of me figure out why. Any ideas? thanks in advance Sharron ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- David Storey Web Opener http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/ Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Left Nav gone in Opera
Actually, apparently I have two versions on Opera. 8.2 when I open it from the desk top, 7.20 if opened and used to preview html documents from within Topstyle pro. So my non working left nav is not working in version 7.2 I will have to check in 8. Sharron - Original Message - From: David Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Left Nav gone in Opera I think you may have hit a bug in Opera 8 as it works for me in Opera 9. It seems to be there, just not showing the content. If you still want it to work in Opera 8 then contact me off list and I'll look through the code to see what is going wrong. Changing the navbar css from position: relative to position: absolute and top:0px; to top:150px; but this takes it out of the flow of the document so You'll have to move the main content further to the left too. By the way it would also be good to put the links in a ul to make it more semantically correct, instead of using br tags to get new lines, but this wont change how it looks. On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 09:32:31 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/didge/didge2.htm Been looking at this page for someone. Have gotten everything to work and display correctly in FF, IE, Netscape and Mozilla, however in Opera the Left Nav is not showing. I cannot for the life of me figure out why. Any ideas? thanks in advance Sharron ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- David Storey Web Opener http://my.opera.com/community/openweb/ Opera Software ASA Oslo, Norway ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Left Nav gone in Opera
Thanks Mithil, that did the trick! I've never used that
before..off to tell the owner of the page how smart this list
is!
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From:
Mithil Yadav
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:32
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Opera
Hi Sharron,
I downloaded your page and in theCSS made a few
changes.
The changes are as follows;
#content {
POSITION:
static;
}
After doing the
change I tested it in Opera 9, IE 6, FF and Netscape 8.1 it works
fine.
Please review it and let me know if the suggestion is
perfect.
Thanks
Regards,
Mithil
Yadav
User Interface Designer
Mastek
Ltd.
Phone: +91 22
67914545/ 4646Ext:6088
Mobile: +91
9820766147
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1:03 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Left
Nav gone in Opera
http://www.designbyatfb.com/temp-images/didge/didge2.htm
Been looking at this page for someone. Have
gotten everything to work and display correctly in FF, IE, Netscape and
Mozilla, however in Opera the Left Nav is not showing. I cannot for the life
of me figure out why.
Any ideas?
thanks in advance
Sharron
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Re: [WSG] WSG Button Link Forbidden report
No Today it is working quite well, must have been a bad day that day. Thanks for checking. Sharron - Original Message - From: Ben Bishop To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] WSG Button Link Forbidden report Before I remove the link on the button, can you tell me if there is aproblem? Is the link still resulting in a 403? I clicked the link from your homepage and it worked correctly, it may have been a casual error.--ben**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 6/20/2006 **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] WSG Button Link Forbidden report
All of a sudden getting a this [ 403 1 The link is forbidden! This needs fixing. Usual suspects: a missing index.html or Overview.html, or a missing ACL.] for the WSG button link on my site? I ran a link validator last night and did not get this message. This morning I did. Before I remove the link on the button, can you tell me if there is a problem? thanks Sharron ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Testing CSS: Map Pop
oh I even managed to figure out, if you can't get to the link in the pop up, try the map itself. So wonder just how far you need to go in writing instructions. - Original Message - From: Mike at Green-Beast.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Testing CSS: Map Pop Paul Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] First of all, I like it - the only problem that I found was that I couldn't mouse off the map and onto the 'popup' without the popup disappearing (FF 1.5.0.4 on win XP) - which renders the 'click for more -' redundant. Or am I missing something? [...] --- Hello Paul, I think it wouldn't be confusing if it wasn't a demo. Normally, in use, those links would lead somewhere off the page. You'd hover or focus on the map's hotspot, the span would then appear to give some info and prompt a click for more, then you click in place, on the map itself (unless you drag your pointer off the target without releasing it then focus would stick.) It is, you see, a single link: the map hotspot, embedded image, and the text is all within the same anchor. If it weren't a demo you'd hover or focus on a hot spt, then click or hit Enter to activate the link and procced to the More part. That's why I felt it was ok to use those words Click for more becuase the link is distinctive when one considers all the other content within the span that is part of the same anchor. Being that those links don't go anywhere in the demo, it can lead to some confusion and it would seem that it may be two links. To get a better feel for what it is we're looking at would be to turn off styles in which case each list item is a single link with an image and text in it. Does that make sense? Perhaps better instructions should be included above the map? Thank you. Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.0.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 6/16/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] RE: Website images question
Forgive me for my interference, howevercould not the text used in the alt and titletags, itself be the deciding factor whether or not it is applicable to the content? The instance of use is subjectiveto reason of use. If a icon (and these are)is used, it is most often used tocall attention to,as well as add visualappeal to the typed text. Not just for decorative reasons. From a beginners view point, and one who has sought out the standard practices on this subject, Iam easily distracted and confused when the point of a subject is debated back and forth such as this. In short I've come to the conclusion, that the bottom line when it comes to alt vs. title, isthe choice relieson the context and content. In this instance I would say both alt and title have a place on the site that was presented, although I think, the text used leaves a bit to be desired. lol, and I have provide for your enjoyment some examples of alternatives. Or along those lines. img src="" width="100" height="89" alt="Wheel Chair Icon: Universal Icon Symbolof Accessibility"title="The universal wheel chair iconic symbolthat indicatesaccessibility" img src="" alt="Magnifying Glass: Universal Icon Symbolfor Search" title="The universal magnifying glass iconicsymbolthatsignifiessearch"/ imgsrc="" alt="Human Head Profile: Universal Icon Symbolfor Mankind"title="The universal profile representation of the human head,the iconicsymbol thatindicates use by mankind" / imgsrc="" alt="Certificate: Universal Icon Symbolfor Recognition, Achievement and or Completion" title="Theuniversal certificate iconicsymbol that indicates special recognition, achievement and or completion"/ **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] about css pop up windows
Very nice! although I would suggest you resize your hover portfolio samples to fit exactly inside the left display area. I would crop out all but the actual screenshot area of the portfolio example, and would make the sample fit into the height and width area there. I use a similar css hover property on my own site. Not nearly as nice as yours. Silly question maybe but are those what you are referring too as pop ups? I don't really think of those as pop ups rather as hovers. My hovers can be styled as they are css and the hover portion of the code can be styled anyway you want them to look. Although in your case a very simple squared up screenshot is all you really need. But it needs to fit. If you lower the screen size the example is cut off on the right side. - Original Message - From: Paul Novitski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 3:34 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] about css pop up windows At 01:19 AM 5/14/2006, Breiterstrom [Cosmin Ciobanu] wrote: Please take a look at my web site: http://www.cosmin-ciobanu.popconsulting.ro The CSS is http://www.cosmin-ciobanu.popconsulting.ro/cssfolder/mystyle.css I want you to study the portfolio page and tell me how do you think it looks. I've used Only CSS rules, no JAVA script, for the windows that appears on mouse over on the ice thumbnails. Is there a way to make that pop ups appear with some effects? Like fade in, for ex.? Can anybody help me with a sugestion? Cosmin, For me your portfolio doesn't work: when I hover over the menu of thumbnails, the larger screenshots appear in the same place and cover up the menu itself. I find this very irritating. It means that to view more than one screenshot I have to move my mouse completely out of the menu area and come back into it from another direction. You're forcing me to use a lot of extreme mouse motion for no particular reason, and I think there's something fundamentally wrong about a user interface that covers itself up while the user is trying to use it. The design is not only inconvenient, it's superfluous. You have already allocated space on the page to display a thumbnail representing each portfolio item, however you're using the same ice image for each thumbnail. That seems like a waste of space. Why not put the website screenshots into the menu in the first place? This doesn't make the hover images irrelevant -- it's OK to show a larger version of a thumbnail on hover. Your menu design seems like an especially poor choice for a web designer's portfolio: I was not impressed with your ability to design a functional user interface and, at least on this basis, I would not be likely to approach you for help on a web project. While I understand your desire to show off your abilities, I suggest you do so in a way that enhances functionality and doesn't detract from it. My recommendation is that you use screenshot thumbnails for the menu itself and, on hover, display the larger screenshots on top of the big ice cube at left. That way I could hover over different thumbnails until I found one I wanted to click on, and the thumbnail menu would remain usable throughout the selection process. Regards, Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/339 - Release Date: 5/14/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ping reference in a href= tag
Lol, let me clarify, I read comments and content here http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/darin/archives/009594.html Maybe I was a bit overly simplistic in saying speeding up links. I was overwhelmed by the comments and connotations and in my own way was trying to discern a common reasoning for ping attribute. I'm sure some nefarious uses could be found for it's use as it goes with all things. It does seem controversial and I am not sure what to think. I initially saw the ping attribute in a link on the (at the time) #1 or top site on silktide. I won't mention which one as it is quite a nice site. I will have to go back and see if the ping attributes was used in a ad link, but I thought it was in a track back or comment link. As I said I am fairly new to paying attention to such things. I also gathered it doesn't work in IE but does in FF? - Original Message - From: Lachlan Hunt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] ping reference in a href= tag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm curious and if off topic I'm sorry. As a middlin sort of novice at all this, I browse source codes all the time. I came across something the other day that I would like a bit more clarification on. I happened to catch a a href=tag with a ping in it. Are you talking about the ping attribute? That's an controversial experimental attribute being defined for the purpose of indicating resources to be notified if a user follows a link. It's primarily designed for notifying advertisers when a link is clicked. http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#ping I did read a that is it supposed to speed up links or something. No, it does no such thing. Where did you read that? -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Trubuchet MS font not showing in IE
Thanks, that fixed it! hooray. You guys are just the right amount of brilliant! :) Sharron - Original Message - From: Al Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Trubuchet MS font not showing in IE From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm pretty sure that IE doesn't call the font Trebuchet MS but rather just Trebuchet. No. Trebuchet MS is correct. The shorthand notation is the problem. The font-weight needs to come first: font: normal 1em Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; -- Al Sparber PVII http://www.projectseven.com Designing with CSS is sometimes like barreling down a crumbling mountain road at 90 miles per hour secure in the knowledge that repairs are scheduled for next Tuesday. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.1/327 - Release Date: 4/28/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Contrast issue
I am looking at in IE 6. I have turned off images, they disappear for a moment and I see white text on black. Then all of sudden the images are back and so is the orange. When I hover over them the only thing that I see that changes is the underlined on the links. However if I use the tab key to access those links the entire text link changes colors to a darker orange. So is that the way it is supposed to be? - Original Message - From: John S. Britsios [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: [WSG] Contrast issue For our site's main navigation we have white text over a graphic with a gradient from darker to lighter orange. The contrast here is not very great. See here: http://www.webnauts.net However, if the graphics are turned off in the browser, or the style sheet is turned off, the contrast is 100% efficient. Is this an accessibility violation? Thanks, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Marketing Consultant Webnauts Net Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Telephone: (+49) 0521 - 325 99 97 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web address: http://www.webnauts.net - Fight back spam! Download the Blue Frog. It's FREE! http://www.bluesecurity.com/register/im?user=Webnauts ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion.
I am another that can't get a "real" internet connection. Although my modem is 56k, I never ever get online at more then 26.4. We live in the central area of Texas in the USA, rural but only 5 miles out of town and just a tad too far from the DSL loop or so we have been told. We also don't have cable TV available here. - Original Message - From: Germ To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Pixel to Em conversion. Im one of the ppl tat still have a 56k modem. Its impossible for me to get broadband were I live and tat is in Perth Oz, let alone in the country areas. On 4/27/06, Mark Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Germ wrote: take too long to load for ppl with a slow modem among other reasons why you wouldnt do thatmeh. Just tell them to upgradeAnd don't forget the "Best Viewed In" graphic and all your "Site of the month/week/millenium" award badges--mark**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** -- GermWorkshttp://www.germworks.nethttp://germworks.blogspot.com/http://www.germworks.net/Phantom No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/320 - Release Date: 4/20/2006
Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title
Sorry for what for some may be a silly question, but may I please ask, dl, dt and dd and their closing tags, what are they? - Original Message - From: Patrick H. Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title Jay Gilmore wrote: Can you give a code example of how it is that you're using your DL? What's the term, what's the description? From earlier in this thread: dl dtSite Name/dt dd Site Tagline / Description /dd /dl So what would you do if there is no tagline/description? P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 3/27/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title
I certainly did read the entire thread, thus my question. I was stumped as to basis of the initial question. The more I read the less I understood. As for asking silly questions, I would assume that I am not the only person absolutely in wonder when reading the list mailings. How can so many people know so much stuff! It only stands to reason, that those of us who don't know much, would be in awe and feel a bit presumptuous to ask questions at all. I bow to you all. :) Thanks for the answers *a forum would be nice, I have trouble reading all the notes and keeping up. - Original Message - From: Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for what for some may be a silly question, but may I please ask, dl, dt and dd and their closing tags, what are they? They refer to definition lists. The dl is the definition list element, dt is placed within that and it is the definition term. dd is the corresponding definition for the dt immediately preceding it. It is a valuable construct as it shows a relationship between the term and the definition. I use them often for links pages and staff pages where the name is the term and the bio is the the definition. If you look at my other posts in this thread you will see that there are some valid forms of dl's. The question of whether to use them in the case I suggested in this thread is still up in the air. See http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html#h-10.3 for more info All the best, Jay ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 3/27/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 6.0.2 Menu Issue
order now game hosting voice hosting web hosting mailing list I looked vie IE 6.02 and all the pages shown above the left navigation sits too far right. It might be that when you are navigating from a page that lines up all the way left, to a link that the left navigation is too far right, makes it appear that the links and text are all over the place. The mailing list page is way off on the right side. It appears to me there is nothing wrong on the index page, but the answer lies in the left navigation on the above listed pages. - Original Message - From: CK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2006 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] IE 6.0.2 Menu Issue (http://working.bushidodeep.com/tacticalware/index.html) This is the page needing assitance. CK On Mar 28, 2006, at 12:31 PM, Jona Decker wrote: nic stage wrote: i'm not sure if it is the same thing, but i thought i would mention it: when i bring it up in 6.0.2, the text doesn't act weird until i click any of the menu links. after a menu link is clicked, that item will jitter onmouseover (the height seems to be affected). a small thing, but i thought it was different than moving all over the page. maybe i was using a slightly different version of maybe i was taking the description too literally. :) I think those of us who went straight to the address without index.html (because of where the address line wrapped in the email) saw the jittery behavior all over, while those that went to index.html don't see the jitter until they click on a link. Not that that is an explanation, but interesting trivia. Jona ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.2/294 - Release Date: 3/27/2006 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
