Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Vern, Boy, t5hat S@#$S. I would be a very unhappy camper if that happened to me. Good luck, and hope that the repairs go good. Carl AB1DD Cal 34III Nauta On 5/2/12, Vernon Densler m...@highwayusa.com wrote: So not a good day at all. Got the 3 pump and managed to pump the hull out enough to see not only the last thing I expected but the last thing I wanted to see. There is a 4 concrete piling skewering my hull. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Boy, Vern, that really sucks big time! Presumably, the marina owner takes full responsibility for the damage and will cover all the repair costs? I'm sure there's no comeback in terms of the value of lost sailing time but given the way you describe he never told you about old pilings I'd hate to see you incur any out of pocket expenses to haul and repair. Steve Weinstein S/V CAPTIVA 1997 Hunter 376, Hull #376 Sailing out of Oyster Bay, NY All outgoing mail protected by VIPRE A/V -Original Message- From: Vernon Densler Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:22 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat. So not a good day at all. Got the 3 pump and managed to pump the hull out enough to see not only the last thing I expected but the last thing I wanted to see. There is a 4 concrete piling skewering my hull. I was able to slow the water down enough that the sump pump is keeping it almost empty. While we were working on the boat we felt a crunch. I thought it was shifting on the piling and it turns out that there is another piling now piercing the hull just in front of my board case. I was told the slip was shallow when the water was down but was not told that there was all kinds of debris with pointy ends sticking out of the mud. The piling in the back is in the inside of the port hull and the one in the middle towards the front is on the outside of the port hull. The marina owner finally showed up at 4:00 and we put a section of PVC drain pipe under it to try to keep it from going down much more. He is saying now that he is going to jack the port hull out of the water and build cradle to hold the hull so we can repair the holes. Then when the water comes up high enough to float her out without ripping the hull on the spikes we will get her out of there. Hopefully he does this soon so that I don't get any more damage. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Depending on what you find, oil soaked rags may make a temp seal. I use non toxic salad oil. Unless there is something bad in your harbor mud, the Indian River water is not toxic, I swam in it to clean boat bottom and lived. Lee Haefele On May 1, 2012, at 10:01 PM, JohnB catsai...@gto.net wrote: Good stuff. On the MKII there is really no areas of egress for water in the stern, no through hull fittings and motor/s are outboard. Only thing is the skeg which is bolted through the hull which wouldn't be enough that big pumps couldn't handle. The tarp is probably the best idea as it would seem to be a hull problem. Having said that the hulls are glass and thick from back when glass was cheap and weight was not a big issue. JohnB s/c Drumbeat Iroquois MKII On 5/1/2012 9:37 PM, Rufus wrote: Ouch. Sorry to hear, Vern. big hole... Bring some gloves. The underside, not to mention any possible jagged edges, won't help your hands. pump... To work best (anywhere close to spec) a pump needs the lowest restriction on the outlet possible. Means use as big a hose as the pump will take and rout it for the shortest distance and lowest lift. It sounds like the lift out the companion way over the side would be about 6'-8'; anything to reduce that will improve pumping. The intake also can be a problem, trying as it does to eat anything it can reach. If the pump you mention (16xx gph) works close to spec, it dumps close to 25 gpm; but that's under optimal conditions w/no head. Did the output look something like that? That's one 5gal bucket every 12sec so it wouldn't take but a few secs to see if it's anything close. If pump is not putting out water to spec, a lot of your figuring and planning is based on false assumptions and _that_ never helps anything. Assuming the pump you have is working my best thought: 1) Run all pumps full, monitor to optimize and make sure everything is doing the job you want it to. 2) Use the plastic or tarp to search for the leak; it sounds like the rudder, prop shaft (missing), aft through-hull, engine exhaust are the most likely suspects. If you know the sizes you might pick up some conical plugs to suit; West will take them back if unused. If you can get a big tarp under most of the after section in such a way that you can secure it topsides so it stays in place, you might be able dry out on a temporary basis using only the one pump in a deep well; probably won't work if your bottom has lots of barnacles. Epoxy putty (grey/black) from plumbing supply houses or the box stores is probably less than anything West has; but it's not designed for under water and it's not particiularly cheap itself. Comes in 8 sticks or tubes; temporary, of course. It's pretty stiff; sets in about 10 minutes after kneading parts together Sheet metal screws hold well in GRP. The hex head version is easier to drive than phillips head. If you can find a pneumatic driver you can use battens to aid the temp repair. Otherwise you need a strong wrist. The box stores (HD at least) sell plaster lathe which might work for battens, but check a piece for bend-ability before planning on it. IF the tarps prove too weak, you might be able to get old coated canvas from an (house) awning maker; they might have scrap or trash which would work for you. You want the coated kind to reduce water permeability. Good luck. Hopefully none of the above will prove really necessary and you'll just find a hose off a through-hull or something. Rufus ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Wondering if the stern locker is full from the skeg breaking off and if the water looked like it wasn't going down because it was coming from there as I pumped it out. I guess I will find out soon. 2 pump should almost be enough to pump the whole river out. -Original Message- From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of JohnB Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:01 PM To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat. Good stuff. On the MKII there is really no areas of egress for water in the stern, no through hull fittings and motor/s are outboard. Only thing is the skeg which is bolted through the hull which wouldn't be enough that big pumps couldn't handle. The tarp is probably the best idea as it would seem to be a hull problem. Having said that the hulls are glass and thick from back when glass was cheap and weight was not a big issue. JohnB s/c Drumbeat Iroquois MKII On 5/1/2012 9:37 PM, Rufus wrote: Ouch. Sorry to hear, Vern. big hole... Bring some gloves. The underside, not to mention any possible jagged edges, won't help your hands. pump... To work best (anywhere close to spec) a pump needs the lowest restriction on the outlet possible. Means use as big a hose as the pump will take and rout it for the shortest distance and lowest lift. It sounds like the lift out the companion way over the side would be about 6'-8'; anything to reduce that will improve pumping. The intake also can be a problem, trying as it does to eat anything it can reach. If the pump you mention (16xx gph) works close to spec, it dumps close to 25 gpm; but that's under optimal conditions w/no head. Did the output look something like that? That's one 5gal bucket every 12sec so it wouldn't take but a few secs to see if it's anything close. If pump is not putting out water to spec, a lot of your figuring and planning is based on false assumptions and _that_ never helps anything. Assuming the pump you have is working my best thought: 1) Run all pumps full, monitor to optimize and make sure everything is doing the job you want it to. 2) Use the plastic or tarp to search for the leak; it sounds like the rudder, prop shaft (missing), aft through-hull, engine exhaust are the most likely suspects. If you know the sizes you might pick up some conical plugs to suit; West will take them back if unused. If you can get a big tarp under most of the after section in such a way that you can secure it topsides so it stays in place, you might be able dry out on a temporary basis using only the one pump in a deep well; probably won't work if your bottom has lots of barnacles. Epoxy putty (grey/black) from plumbing supply houses or the box stores is probably less than anything West has; but it's not designed for under water and it's not particiularly cheap itself. Comes in 8 sticks or tubes; temporary, of course. It's pretty stiff; sets in about 10 minutes after kneading parts together Sheet metal screws hold well in GRP. The hex head version is easier to drive than phillips head. If you can find a pneumatic driver you can use battens to aid the temp repair. Otherwise you need a strong wrist. The box stores (HD at least) sell plaster lathe which might work for battens, but check a piece for bend-ability before planning on it. IF the tarps prove too weak, you might be able to get old coated canvas from an (house) awning maker; they might have scrap or trash which would work for you. You want the coated kind to reduce water permeability. Good luck. Hopefully none of the above will prove really necessary and you'll just find a hose off a through-hull or something. Rufus ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
So not a good day at all. Got the 3 pump and managed to pump the hull out enough to see not only the last thing I expected but the last thing I wanted to see. There is a 4 concrete piling skewering my hull. I was able to slow the water down enough that the sump pump is keeping it almost empty. While we were working on the boat we felt a crunch. I thought it was shifting on the piling and it turns out that there is another piling now piercing the hull just in front of my board case. I was told the slip was shallow when the water was down but was not told that there was all kinds of debris with pointy ends sticking out of the mud. The piling in the back is in the inside of the port hull and the one in the middle towards the front is on the outside of the port hull. The marina owner finally showed up at 4:00 and we put a section of PVC drain pipe under it to try to keep it from going down much more. He is saying now that he is going to jack the port hull out of the water and build cradle to hold the hull so we can repair the holes. Then when the water comes up high enough to float her out without ripping the hull on the spikes we will get her out of there. Hopefully he does this soon so that I don't get any more damage. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Wow! JohnB On 5/2/2012 9:22 PM, Vernon Densler wrote: So not a good day at all. Got the 3 pump and managed to pump the hull out enough to see not only the last thing I expected but the last thing I wanted to see. There is a 4 concrete piling skewering my hull. I was able to slow the water down enough that the sump pump is keeping it almost empty. While we were working on the boat we felt a crunch. I thought it was shifting on the piling and it turns out that there is another piling now piercing the hull just in front of my board case. I was told the slip was shallow when the water was down but was not told that there was all kinds of debris with pointy ends sticking out of the mud. The piling in the back is in the inside of the port hull and the one in the middle towards the front is on the outside of the port hull. The marina owner finally showed up at 4:00 and we put a section of PVC drain pipe under it to try to keep it from going down much more. He is saying now that he is going to jack the port hull out of the water and build cradle to hold the hull so we can repair the holes. Then when the water comes up high enough to float her out without ripping the hull on the spikes we will get her out of there. Hopefully he does this soon so that I don't get any more damage. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Ouch. Sorry to hear, Vern. big hole... Bring some gloves. The underside, not to mention any possible jagged edges, won't help your hands. pump... To work best (anywhere close to spec) a pump needs the lowest restriction on the outlet possible. Means use as big a hose as the pump will take and rout it for the shortest distance and lowest lift. It sounds like the lift out the companion way over the side would be about 6'-8'; anything to reduce that will improve pumping. The intake also can be a problem, trying as it does to eat anything it can reach. If the pump you mention (16xx gph) works close to spec, it dumps close to 25 gpm; but that's under optimal conditions w/no head. Did the output look something like that? That's one 5gal bucket every 12sec so it wouldn't take but a few secs to see if it's anything close. If pump is not putting out water to spec, a lot of your figuring and planning is based on false assumptions and _that_ never helps anything. Assuming the pump you have is working my best thought: 1) Run all pumps full, monitor to optimize and make sure everything is doing the job you want it to. 2) Use the plastic or tarp to search for the leak; it sounds like the rudder, prop shaft (missing), aft through-hull, engine exhaust are the most likely suspects. If you know the sizes you might pick up some conical plugs to suit; West will take them back if unused. If you can get a big tarp under most of the after section in such a way that you can secure it topsides so it stays in place, you might be able dry out on a temporary basis using only the one pump in a deep well; probably won't work if your bottom has lots of barnacles. Epoxy putty (grey/black) from plumbing supply houses or the box stores is probably less than anything West has; but it's not designed for under water and it's not particiularly cheap itself. Comes in 8 sticks or tubes; temporary, of course. It's pretty stiff; sets in about 10 minutes after kneading parts together Sheet metal screws hold well in GRP. The hex head version is easier to drive than phillips head. If you can find a pneumatic driver you can use battens to aid the temp repair. Otherwise you need a strong wrist. The box stores (HD at least) sell plaster lathe which might work for battens, but check a piece for bend-ability before planning on it. IF the tarps prove too weak, you might be able to get old coated canvas from an (house) awning maker; they might have scrap or trash which would work for you. You want the coated kind to reduce water permeability. Good luck. Hopefully none of the above will prove really necessary and you'll just find a hose off a through-hull or something. Rufus ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Good stuff. On the MKII there is really no areas of egress for water in the stern, no through hull fittings and motor/s are outboard. Only thing is the skeg which is bolted through the hull which wouldn't be enough that big pumps couldn't handle. The tarp is probably the best idea as it would seem to be a hull problem. Having said that the hulls are glass and thick from back when glass was cheap and weight was not a big issue. JohnB s/c Drumbeat Iroquois MKII On 5/1/2012 9:37 PM, Rufus wrote: Ouch. Sorry to hear, Vern. big hole... Bring some gloves. The underside, not to mention any possible jagged edges, won't help your hands. pump... To work best (anywhere close to spec) a pump needs the lowest restriction on the outlet possible. Means use as big a hose as the pump will take and rout it for the shortest distance and lowest lift. It sounds like the lift out the companion way over the side would be about 6'-8'; anything to reduce that will improve pumping. The intake also can be a problem, trying as it does to eat anything it can reach. If the pump you mention (16xx gph) works close to spec, it dumps close to 25 gpm; but that's under optimal conditions w/no head. Did the output look something like that? That's one 5gal bucket every 12sec so it wouldn't take but a few secs to see if it's anything close. If pump is not putting out water to spec, a lot of your figuring and planning is based on false assumptions and _that_ never helps anything. Assuming the pump you have is working my best thought: 1) Run all pumps full, monitor to optimize and make sure everything is doing the job you want it to. 2) Use the plastic or tarp to search for the leak; it sounds like the rudder, prop shaft (missing), aft through-hull, engine exhaust are the most likely suspects. If you know the sizes you might pick up some conical plugs to suit; West will take them back if unused. If you can get a big tarp under most of the after section in such a way that you can secure it topsides so it stays in place, you might be able dry out on a temporary basis using only the one pump in a deep well; probably won't work if your bottom has lots of barnacles. Epoxy putty (grey/black) from plumbing supply houses or the box stores is probably less than anything West has; but it's not designed for under water and it's not particiularly cheap itself. Comes in 8 sticks or tubes; temporary, of course. It's pretty stiff; sets in about 10 minutes after kneading parts together Sheet metal screws hold well in GRP. The hex head version is easier to drive than phillips head. If you can find a pneumatic driver you can use battens to aid the temp repair. Otherwise you need a strong wrist. The box stores (HD at least) sell plaster lathe which might work for battens, but check a piece for bend-ability before planning on it. IF the tarps prove too weak, you might be able to get old coated canvas from an (house) awning maker; they might have scrap or trash which would work for you. You want the coated kind to reduce water permeability. Good luck. Hopefully none of the above will prove really necessary and you'll just find a hose off a through-hull or something. Rufus ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
[Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
I need help. I have a 30' Iroquois Catamaran that is taking on water. It's a 75 MKII. Previous owner had taken the berth out of the port hull so I have full access with the board I used to hold the bed removed. Slip is really shallow and with the lack of rain the boat was sitting on the bottom. Water is up a little now. Possibility that the boat next to mine pushed mine to get out of his slip, maybe broke the skeg off? No visible holes or anything on the outside that I can see. Aft lockers have what I believe are the old water built in water tanks. I don't know if there are any holes that run from the old tanks into the boat that haven't been sealed. Water is at the same level as the river. Bows are still floating stern is sitting on the bottom. Water is just over where the bunk would be in the back and right at the level of the lowest step in the front of the berth. Pumps were a bilge pump and a 1650 GPH sump pump in the rear berth and the bilge pump in the head compartment. I was not able to get any real difference in the aft berth water level. When I moved the sump pump to the head compartment it cleared out within minutes but then back up to where it was within maybe 10 minutes. Water was coming from the aft berth. Closed the head through hull valve while the water was down just in case. Didn't see any water coming in from any hoses or anything in the head compartment. Part of the water coming in could be things that were not meant to be under the water now being under the water but I don't know of any real spots in that area that could be adding to it. Thinking of trying to get a waterbed mattress or 2 and trying to use them to either lift from below or stuff them in the hull and displace some of the water while I am pumping out. Any thoughts on raising her and any thoughts on what could possibly be the breach point would be appreciated. Once she is raised I need to determine how to patch her enough to either get the breach out of the water to repair or get her to a marina with a boat lift. I don't understand how this could happen on this boat, the hulls are 1 thick glass reinforced plywood. I have knocked over pilings with it and there wasn't even a scratch on her. Sitting in almost no water and nothing really there to harm her and she takes on water. It doesn't make sense. Vernon Densler Logistics Engineer Northrop Grumman AS (321)-951-5426 ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Hi, Vern, That sucks, for sure. As to the waterbed mattresses, yes, if you don't hole those in the same way (assuming there's something there which caused a hole). Waterbeds are tough, but not designed to resist puncture by dedicated force (spent 30+ years on waterbeds ashore). Salvage crews use a heavy duty hypalon version of the same thing, in various sizes, to assist with flotation in getting vessels off rocks and the like (ask me how I know!). Getting it inflated and closed before losing lots of air will be a bit of challenge. When I lived on a lake, I used to have an AirDock, same principle. Under the boat will be better so you don't risk stressing the hull. Can you get under the stern(s) to inspect it/them? I think from your posting that it's only the port side? That could simplify lifting a bit. Is this a tidal river? L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog When a man comes to like a sea life, he is not fit to live on land. - Dr. Samuel Johnson___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Hull breach and about 2 feet of water in my boat.
Hi, Vernon - On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 01:22:16PM +, Densler, Vernon R (AS) wrote: Any thoughts on raising her and any thoughts on what could possibly be the breach point would be appreciated. I don't understand how this could happen on this boat, the hulls are 1” thick glass reinforced plywood. I have knocked over pilings with it and there wasn't even a scratch on her. Sitting in almost no water and nothing really there to harm her and she takes on water. It doesn't make sense. Water is... extraordinary at finding ways to get in. Sorry to hear it's managed to do so with your boat. The first step is to find where the leak is. The old method for patching (without having to find) the dozens of leaks in wooden ships was to dive down and release a bunch of wood dust just under the hull; after a number of handfuls, enough of the stuff would get sucked in to plug the holes, then would swell and seal them. You could also see where the leaks were, since the dust would clump around them. It's messy, and requires getting under the hull, though. You'd also want to pump her before you did that, otherwise there'd be no suction. A modern equivalent might be to, again, pump her out and then dive down and hold some plastic sheeting next to the hull in the suspected area. If it sticks, you've found it. This would probably require a diving outfit, though. Another thought would be to jack the boat up where she sits, in that shallow slip. Put down some plywood, use some lumber, and prop her up at high tide. When the tide goes out, you'll see where the water is coming out; if you need to, throw some dye in the bilge - it'll let you spot the leak right away. Try to do what you can to locate the leak from the inside. I had to take a jigsaw to some plywood in a locker once so I could get to the hull... poor hull access *sucks*. Best of luck with it! Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895 http://okopnik.com http://twitter.com/okopnik ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveaboard@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
