Re: Geolocation services: what's good, what's not?
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Sam Kington s...@illuminated.co.uk wrote: What about IP addresses, though? What do people currently use for geolocation? The first question I'd ask anyone considering using anything other than MaxMind's Geo2IP product is Why aren't you using MaxMind's Geo2IP product? Cheap, they've been around forever, they're a Perl house, excellent quality, and the CPAN module are well developed. They've got a free entry-level product which may well be accurate enough to suit your needs, and then you can upgrade to their commercial product if you need it. (They're also hiring telecommuters in the US and Canada, about which I have more details, if anyone's interested) -P
Re: CRM as a service with Perl module
Why (except for Salesforce)? -P On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:48 PM, Andrew Beverley a...@andybev.com wrote: Hi guys, Can anyone recommend a hosted CRM solution (except for Salesforce) that has a CPAN module in order to easily access the API? Thanks, Andy
Re: Due to mass layoffs at Moonfruit (big surprise, I know)....
On Tuesday, 28 October 2014, drf...@pobox.com wrote: Looking for new work. I've currently got at least 3 recruiters and 2 direct contacts from LinkedIn scurrying around looking for offers, and for the moment I'm rather optimistic. The market is good right now in London, and commutable distances from London. Too little use is made of the specific LPM jobs list, and jobs.perl.org listings often expire before jobs are filled. If there's anyone else from Moonfruit scrambling around, there are two recruiters I'd recommend: - Myself (surprise!) as pete@perl.careers - Rick Deller, who's r...@eligo.com, and has sponsored countless beer meets We're both hoping to do recruitment-related talks at LPW this year. Further afield (and also on this list) is Uri, who like me is originally a developer: u...@perlhunter.com, although he specialises in US positions. Recruitment is very time specific, so if you give any of us a 24h head start on the others, we'll be extra grateful. -P (who promises not to write another similar email in the next 12 months)
[ANNOUNCE] Sponsored London Perl M[ou]ngers May Social - 2014-05-08 - Shooting Star E1 7JF
Hi, For May, we're once again going to an old haunt that we haven't visited for a few months, this time the Shooting Star. It's a Fuller's Ale and Pie House, thus immediately covering two of London.pm's favourite activities. The Shooting Star is easy to find. It's about three minutes walk from Liverpool Street station, and hides in a side street just behind Dirty Dicks which you can see from the main station entrance. There should be a few tables in the main bar reserved for us from 6pm. But what could be better than a decent pint in a good pub? That's right, free drinks! We at Broadbean Technology are putting £200 behind the bar. We're also hiring... Shooting Star 125-129 Middlesex Street London E1 7JF http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Shooting_Star,_E1_7JF Standard blurb: Social meets are a chance for the various members of the group to meet up face to face and chat with each other about things - both Perl and (mostly) non-Perl- and newcomers are more than welcome. The monthly meets tend to be bigger than the other ad hoc meetings that take place at other times, and we make sure that they're in easy to get to locations and the pub serves food (meaning that people can eat in the bar if they want to). They normally start around 6.30pm (or whenever people get there after work) and a group tends to be left come closing time. If you're a newcomer or other first timer (even if you've been lurking on the mailing list or on IRC) then please seek our Glorious Leader Tom out - we have a tradition that the leader of this motley crew buys the new people a drink and introduces them to people. PS: Many thanks to Peter Corlett for the original inspiration for almost all of the content above.
Re: tablets for parents
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: 1) What tablet? (with camera, obviously, 3G, and possibly not much else special) No-one ever got disinherited for buying an iPad. Combine it with a £70 Apple TV, and you can give them Netflix and LOVEFiLM as well as easy access to your and your sister's Flickr account for slideshows. 2) What data plan? Is going to be a function of who gets the best reception where they live. I happily watch Netflix on my Three account, and that was before it was 4G. They also have some pretty reasonably priced PAYG plans for data. But if your two locations in the South get spotty Three coverage, you'll need another solution. -P
Re: Recommended IDE...?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Ovid curtis_ovid_...@yahoo.com wrote: I would almost claim that I get most of the common benefits of an IDE out of my vim setup (completion, debugging, testing, refactoring tools, rebuilding the project, and so on) Google suggests these as good starting points: * https://github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl * http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=556 * http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1573782/what-are-your-suggestions-for-an-ideal-vim-configuration-for-perl-development Anything else you'd recommend? -P
Re: Recommended IDE...?
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote: On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:18:14AM -, Andrew wrote: Looking to try using an Integrated Development Environment. Why? What problem are you having that you expect an IDE to solve? I became quite partial to Refactor menus, integrated test execution, and integrated debugger, back when I was doing a little Java. -P
Re: I have a bikeshed, colour suggestions appreciated
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Aaron Trevena aaron.trev...@gmail.comwrote: So.. some of you might know I quite like bikes.. I now have a proper bikeshed (or at least I will once I've built and attached the doors tonight) - and I was hoping you nice people could give me some helpful suggestions. Have you seen what colour yaks are under their fur?
Re: Database Design Advice
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote: I opted for two columns, additional and percentage, the first defaulting to 0, the other to 1. Prices can then be easily calculated as original_price * percentage + additional. No conditionals needed. And the calculation is currency agnostic. For discounts, the percentage is less than 1, or the additional is negative. This solution proved to be really great -- two years after my implementation I got the request Can we have discounts from discounts? We'd like to be able to give both a percentage and a set discount [1]. I told them, If you just fill in both discounts, it will do what you want. Unless what you want is the percentage discount applied to the price after the flat discount, which doesn't seem unreasonable. -P
Re: Perl publishing and attracting new developers
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:01 PM, Paul LeoNerd leon...@leonerd.org.ukwrote: I would be prepared to pay £30 to write such a book. My Paypal account is the same as this email address. Please send me the money, and a copy of the book when you're done.
Re: Fosdem Perl-devroom AW1.126, Saturday, Feb 2nd, 11:00-19:00; Success! 14 speakers!
On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Wendy G.A. van Dijk nl...@wendy.orgwrote: Fosdem. https://fosdem.org/2013/ We made it. I know we definitely discourage me too type posts here, but this is absolutely fantastic work. Well done, and thankyou! -P
Re: Offtopic(ish) ops question
Why not use the latest stable? No good reason I can see to use an old Perl... On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: New VM, installing CPAN deps (cpanm obvs). I know all the apps are going to be the same level of stuff as they'll all be latest Cat/DBIC and so on, and for laziness reasons, that's how it is on my dev VM. It's perl 5.10.1 and I don't knowingly do anything post BBC 5.8.8. Just install CPANM modules into the main perl? No reason to brew a new perl?
Re: Device for reading perldoc
On Friday, January 4, 2013, gvim wrote: Is there currently a reader/device which is suitable for reading both PDFs and perldoc, ie. can install Perl + modules? gvim This sounds a bit like an x/y problem. What are you trying achieve? If there are certain documents available via perldoc currently, a conversion step (and a willingness to use one) would probably allow almost all readers... -P
Re: cpan you have to see
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Anthony Lucas anthonyjlu...@gmail.comwrote:
Flexible::Output::Printer
To be honest, it's not too different in intent from several other CPAN
modules - aliasing features to be more like other languages...
I am pretty curious about the return values, though:
return bless {};
I wonder what the intent there was...
-P
Re: cpan you have to see
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.comwrote:
On 12 December 2012 17:57, Joseph Werner telco...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Gareth Harper spansh+lon...@gmail.com
wrote:
PBP and I disagree with you on this one, Gareth. When a sub does a
return 0; to a list context, that is interpreted as true. A bare
return; is best practice.
I stand corrected.
Don't stand corrected too quickly - the idea that you should always use a
bare *return()* is far from universally accepted - you can bite yourself
just as easily in reverse by using bare return, and getting an empty list
where you expected a false or undefined value:
https://gist.github.com/4270506
The boolean argument is reaching, at best. Perl programmers frequently use
numeric 0 as a false value, and yet no-one is saying you should write code
like:
sub lock_count {
if ( $lock_counter ) {
return $lock_counter;
} else {
return;
}
}
Just in case someone has decided to take your input in to an array,
before asking if lock_count is true.
If you're using a bare return then all your returns should be
*wantarray*dependent, or you're making the code even less predictable
- making the
*return* of an undefined value the only context-dependent *return* in a sub
is crazy talk!
The simple rule here is: write functions that return either a list, or a
scalar, and not both, and be explicit in your function documentation which
you're expecting to return.
-P
Re: boolean return (was Re: cpan you have to see)
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: then the caller can't ever use the sub in a list context expecting an empty list ... so? True or false are reasonable things to expect a subroutine to return. A list is a reasonable thing to expect a subroutine to return. True, false, or SURPRISE! a zero-length list! does not seem like a reasonable return value. I suspect that with some work, we could generate a real-world example where a user might want a true value, OR (a false value OR an empty list). But if that's really, really what the caller wants, they can easily stick a grep in front of the call to the sub and get that. -P
Re: cpan you have to see
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Aaron Crane p...@aaroncrane.co.uk wrote: I agree. The talk I did at LPW and YAPC::EU this year covers this and some related issues Thanks Aaron. Someone told me about your talk, and it got me thinking about it in-depth a little while ago. Shame I missed it -P
Re: cpan you have to see
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012, DAVID HODGKINSON wrote: Would hurling a PBP test at the whole of CPAN to get a metric be of any benefit? Probably not. perl critic, which sounds like what you're thinking about, is a useful tool for catching silly mistakes you might have made, but if you know what you're doing then many of the things it considers errors are actually reasonable. I've worked in a couple of places that run perl critic over the codebase as part of automated testing, and it's been useful. Invariably though situations arise where you break one of its rules and switch it off for that line of code. Unless someone has written their code with it, and explicitly marked where they know better, their code is liable to be penalised by a perl critic scorer. Additionally the score will reflect the small stuff and not quality of interface, design, documentation, etc, leading to dreadful code with a perfect score, and excellent code with a terrible score
Re: Testsuites and External Dependancies?
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.comwrote: If you don't have Keyboard Maestro installed on your Mac[1] it's useless My understanding is that this is what the Alien:: namespace is for... http://search.cpan.org/~abergman/Alien-0.91/lib/Alien.pm And that the correct solution is to write Alien::KeyboardMaestro, on which your module should rely. -P
24 Pull Requests
http://24pullrequests.com/ Seems like a neat idea, and oh look, they'll recommend projects! But oh look... There no project(*hic*) for [Perl] yet, why not add suggest(*hic*) one? Anyone?
Re: Perl outreach
On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mark Blackman m...@blackmans.org wrote: On 27 Nov 2012, at 07:05, Peter Sergeant p...@clueball.com wrote: Great! Now, any ideas how we further Perl outreach? Evangelism in non-perl-specific outlets. I think this is the right direction. Perl is often cited as an exceptional glue language. Perhaps putting together examples of small Perl scripts that pull in different moving parts to do something useful or pretty? Here's a start: https://gist.github.com/4153299 -P
Re: Perl outreach
On Tuesday, November 27, 2012, Guinevere Nell wrote: I don't think you can say it about any language - I mean, you *can*, but you'd be lying. My guess is that only 1 in 37 programmers that have both allocated memory in C and not had to allocate memory in Perl would choose to continue to allocate memory in C if they had a choice (keeping their job at the same pay, etc). Fine. Sure. Is anyone seriously suggesting Perl is competing with C for mindshare? I doubt it. No manual memory allocation is not a comparative advantage over Python or Ruby or JavaScript/Node etc.
Re: Perl outreach
Fundamentally we fail to answer the question Why Perl? Sure the tools are good. But the common view seems to be that for every good tool Perl has, Ruby or Python have its own (perhaps superior) version. Plack is neat, but a Perl project named after the Ruby port of a Python tool isn't a USP. Find a way to compellingly answer Why Perl (over Ruby or Python)? in a way that growth communities (proggit, hackernews) understand and you'll have started to find a solution. Testing is a bit better, Catalyst is a bit more grown up than Rails, and CPAN is like Ruby Gems only a bit *handwave* better don't really cut it.
Re: Perl outreach
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Salve J Nilsen sjn+oslo...@pvv.org wrote: «So you want to write some useful software? Learn from Perl. We in the Perl community saw what happened when one just focuses getting stuff done without spending any attention on software life-cycle management. So, what did we learn? Write software that is easy to understand and fun to read. In fact, try to write software that one only needs to read once, but that one *wants* to read twice. This is difficult, but less so with Perl. You need a language that is flexible and malleable enough so you can express the intention of your code in the way that is best for your readers. This is where Perl shines. If you wield the tool well you can make wonderful things, and if you don't you'll probably end up making crap.» Comments? :) I think you could swap in any language name there, and no-one would be any wiser that you started off with Perl. -P
Re: Perl outreach
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote: Arguing which language is better seems to be as pointless to me as arguing which car is better, or which brand of hammer. Sure. But that's pretty far removed from giving people compelling reasons to try a specific car. Also: I suspect people interested in getting more people to buy a specific model of car spend a great deal of time arguing about which car is better, and how to make that argument compelling to consumers. People buy car A because it suits *them* better than car B (whether that a rational reason or not is irrelevant), not because it gives a better experience/mileage/whatever between random points. People buy new cars because they're shiny. Testing is better or Catalyst is a bit more grown up than Rails are similar arguments Jeremy Clarkson and his friends are making on Top Gear to decide which car is the best. Joyful to watch, but useless if you want to buy a car that's useful for you. Conveniently buying a car and trying out a new programming language share are different in at least the outlay of thousands of dollars/pounds/whatever. Perhaps this is a reason to avoid car analogies when talking about programming languages. For me, the top two reasons I use Perl (and there really isn't a third reason): - It's good enough for most of what I do. - I'm just too damn lazy to learn a different language. Great! Now, any ideas how we further Perl outreach? -P
Re: 25 Years of Perl
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: Finding it harder to trace the history of #perl though. Can anyone help out there? Even if it's just an idea of when it first started. Oh, and when was irc.perl.org set up? EFnet #perl was the 'original' Perl IRC channel - I'm sure Randall (and Simon Cozens?) at least can provide some more detail there, as they were both active ~15 years ago when I first started using it. I believe irc.infobot.org was set up either for YAPC '99 or 19100, and slowly but surely #perl migrated from EFNet to it. Some years ago, irc.perl.org was pointed to that network, which has variously been called MagNET, Rhizomatic, and I'm sure some others. Here is a photo of #perl users from 13 years ago! http://photography.mengwong.com/yapc1999/group-1.html -P
Re: Brainbench perl test?
On Wednesday, September 5, 2012, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Abigail abig...@abigail.be javascript:;
wrote:
Your first instinct should be Is there a generating function I can
use?.
Try not to blow your cache pipeline with all that silly branching,
sub fib {
my $n = shift;
int(0.5 + (0.5+0.5*sqrt 5) ** $n / sqrt 5);
}
High five! :-)
My favourite, especially given that:
Given that fib(n) is equal to fib(n-1) + fib(n-2)
... in its current form arguably simplifies to fib(n) = ⊥
Re: Can I get some advice on best way to start Perl Programming
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: also the o'reilly school of technology has 4 levels of perl courses written by *peter scott* Interesting! He's the author of what I consider to be one of the best Perl books of all time (Perl Medic), so that sounds highly worth looking in to... -P
Re: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Mongers Technical Meeting 2012-08-14
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Leon Brocard a...@astray.com wrote: London Perl Mongers organises technical meetings every two months. The technical meetings are a chance to find out what has been going on in the Perl community, what techniques people are using and how Perl integrates with other software. (etc) Maybe I'm being a little slow, but is this on Lanyrd? If not, I wonder if it would be worth adding these to Lanyrd so people who aren't subscribed can find them... -P
Re: Dotcloud?
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone use it? I have, and have had generally excellent service from them -P
Re: Dim Sum?
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have a craving for Dim Sum in the West End tomorrow? A 100% Venda turn out again would count as a fail... :) There's tasty Szechuan food in West London ... Tian Fu is convenient for people at the Beeb and at NAP... -P
Re: Free online courses in computer science / maths + others
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Adam Witney awit...@sgul.ac.uk wrote: Some of these courses may be of interest to the people here https://www.coursera.org/ I've started the Compilers Course, which looks interesting so far, although has meant I've had to teach myself Java in a very short period...
Re: Google Chart API with Perl -Dancer - SQLite DB
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Mark fowler m...@twoshortplanks.comwrote: On Tuesday, 10 April 2012 at 20:43, Taka wrote: I'm very new to Perl Modules, and I would be much appreciated if someone can give me some your expertise and advices to how to link database to Google Chart API. The google chart API (and the Perl wrappers) are quite simple once you have the data in the right format. It's getting it in the right format which is the hard part. For this, I've found using the Visualization API instead to be useful. You interface in to it by creating data tables, which, usefully enough... http://search.cpan.org/~sargie/Data-Google-Visualization-DataTable-0.08/lib/Data/Google/Visualization/DataTable.pm -P
Re: Testing databases with DBIx::Class
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Ian Knopke ian.kno...@gmail.com wrote: I need to test some DBIx::Class code where the database may not be available. I can set up something to generate a small, temporary SQlite db, but I was wondering what approaches others are currently using for this. DBD::Mock seems ok but not especially well suited for use with DBIx. What does the rest of the community currently do? I've tried a few approaches with this. Where I've used a different DB backend, I've been bitten by differences in the DB from Unicode handling to different feature sets. Where possible, a blank(ish) testing database running the same DB software as the target is infinitely preferable to faking it with a different system. -P
Re: OT: Agile PM courses?
Agile training seems to be one of those things where the individual teaching it is far, far, far more important than almost any other factor. I've found almost all the Agile trainers I've met to lack anything approaching experience in developing real software, and be full of facile and unhelpful soundbites. I would, however, be happy to recommend: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sallyann-freudenberg/5/9b/b33 She's a trainer for Rally, as far as I am aware. -P
Re: Writing About Perl
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: So, purely hypothetically... If a popular Linux magazine had given you the opportunity to write a 3000 word article giving a practical project-based demonstration of how Perl had moved on in the last ten years, what would you do? What would you write about? Perl's strength is as a glue language - gluing together the wealth available on CPAN. So I'd like to see an article that built a service that did quite a bunch of complicated things by gluing together CPAN modules... -P
Re: More free stuff at the ORTHODOX social
On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com wrote: Sorely tempted to take the Pratchett as I've NEVER READ ONE. Certainly if you love the work of Stephenie Meyer you'll find them to be engaging and intelligent.
Re: LPW 2011 carpooling
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Note that some cruise ships can just fit under Tower Bridge, and hence can dock next to HMS Belfast, in the Pool of London. Zone 1, beating even London City Airport's Zone 3. Sure, and while we're at it: http://www.londonheliport.co.uk/ -P
Slightly offtopic - coordinate conversions
I've been playing around with Google Maps recently, and noticed that they've started using hashes of some coordinates: latlng: 52.54296 -0.308166 hnear : 0x4877f21032e242f5:0x805cb103d71d5051 latlng: 51.411586,-0.300893 hnear : 0x47d8a00baf21de75:0x52963a5addd52a99 A few attempts at working out how this was done with Perl have failed me - anyone got a better idea? -P
Re: Someone needs to take jwz aside...
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Pedro Figueiredo m...@pedrofigueiredo.orgwrote: If only it knew how to manage a Shipwright vessel... So, I was gonna ask. Does Shipwright do most of what we like about Maven? Would it be that hard to define a list of modules, a Perl version, and let something driving Perlbrew just get stuck in to it? I could see that being an issue for mod_perl apps, but for other stuff? Some Perl modules need compiling, which again, throws a spanner in the works, but...? -P
Re: any recommended web-hosting?
As always, I'm going to have to recommend Bytemark - http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/ -- they're cheap, you get free technical support from two thoroughly clued up guys, and you get root on your own machine - if you're comfortable administering your own machine, go with them. +Pete
Re: (no subject)
Does anyone know of a module or a technique or incantation I can use to achieve what I really mean by the following: snip I've always liked the examples of using IO::Select and friends in the WebMonkey article on how to write a chat-server (from 1997, no less)... http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/97/18/index2a.html?tw=programming +Pete
Spam tarpits...
I've been looking at OpenBSD's spamd, which is a fake SMTP server that's very very very slow, the idea being to waste spammers' resources. One idea might be to redirect connections to port 25 from IPs in a blackhole list to this process instead of the local SMTP server. However, spamd does not actually accept emails. I'm looking for a replacement that will, just, slowly, because: o I'm not ready to start straight blocking email from IPs in a RBL o Spammers operate on the margins - if I can push up their costs just a little by tying up their mail-sending application, great o The server doesn't recieve a huge volume of email... o Except from mail15, mentioned previously Any thoughts welcomed... +Pete -- No man but a blockhead ever wrote, except for money. -- Samuel Johnson
Exim and HELO
I've recently been getting hammered by mail15.com performing a dictionary attack on my mail server - my server accepts email to anyone @clueball.com, and so I've been recieving several thousand piece of spam a day advertising mail15.com. This is obviously somewhat upsetting - it may get marked as spam, but I'm still taking a fairly major bandwidth hit, and it's clogging up my spam folder, making it very very difficult to spot if I get any false positives. The emails come from a variety of different broadband and dialup machines - I'm not especially keen to start dropping emails from large chunks of the internet at the SMTP level. However, the spamming software they're using always identifies the IP as being from compuserve.com, which I believe is done at the HELO time. Were I using exim4, Google would have returned a great snippet I could add to my config file that would allow me to easily refuse all mail where the connection started off with a 'HELO compuserve.com'. I'm not, I'm using Exim 3.6(?) that came with Debian, and I'm unable to work out a nice solution. Can anyone suggest how one might convince Exim 3 to do this? Thanks! +Pete -- How vain it is to sit down to write when you have not stood up to live. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: Exim and HELO
How would one do the ditching at SMTP time? It would appear that any email from this company starts its transaction with my mail-server with 'HELO compuserve.com'. I've seen an exim4 config-file snippet to block at this point[1] - I'm looking to do the same with exim3... +Pete [1] http://blackhairy.demon.co.uk/notes/exim-helo-block.html -- If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: Programming Email Filters
http://grou.ch/bounce.txt is very effective. But if you're using fetchmail or similar, remember the Email::Simple team chose correctness over usefulness, and not to write the emails back to mail folders, unless you want all kinds of pain. +Pete
Re: Mercury Amalgam (was: insidious biometrics, identity crises)
Well, Vitamin C does make a reliable abortifacient for women who are very early in their pregnancy since it blocks the uptake of progesterone. It's usually taken orally in very high doses and often combined with other herbal substances to help the process when it's a desired effect. Such as Pennyroyal Tea (which makes interpreting the Nirvana song of the same name easier...), but, it seems this is *STRONGLY* discouraged... http://www.w-cpc.org/abortion/herbal.html +Pete
Re: Stupid fucking antivirus software
On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 01:54:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: What you are saying is equivalent to if there's money to be made from spamming, there's nothing wrong with doing it.. No, what I'm saying is that expecting businesses to act like charities is more than a little silly. Bouncing messages was added because at the time it was deemed useful by both the anti-virus company and clients, and because clients would pay money for this extra feature. If there is little client demand to improve this feature, then, bizarrely enough, the vendors aren't going to do it. Having said that, I believe more than a few of the vendors do have products that discriminate - it's hardly their fault if sysadmins don't upgrade their software. If all this leaves you feeling deeply unsatisfied, I'm sure the Open Anti-Virus project would love your help in developing their software! Furthermore, Sophos, amongst other vendors, release their scanning engines on various platforms - libsavi even has a Perl interface! If you'd like to write a better mailscanner, I'm sure their OEM Sales department would love to hear from you. http://www.openantivirus.org/index.php +Pete
Re: Stupid fucking antivirus software
I'll keep this brief because I don't want to trip my anti-slashdot-mentality-rant-mode. On Sun, Aug 31, 2003 at 11:53:17AM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: Because by sending email they get to advertise their product; and, like spammers, they think that it doesn't matter how many people you annoy as long as you get one bite. Many AV companies don't make the name clear in their bounces. But that's not the point. The point is that big corporate customers *complain* if the CTO feels he can't do something about 'that virus problem'. In general, the option to send these messages is customer-configurable - blame the admin running the service, not the product itself. From a technical point of view, once the marketing department has said you must send email alerts, it's an extremely hard problem to spot the known-address-faking viruses; and since the companies have the spammer mindset, they probably don't put any particular resource behind that. Both technically and practically untrue. It's fairly easy to maintain a list of viruses that fake From addresses - there's just no demand in the customer base to do this. I appreciate that to some people the concept of business is a strange one - note the /. readers calling SCO stupid (while the SCO executives make a lot of money, and said readers remain second-rate programmers earning a pittance) - if there's little demand for a feature in a product, then the company would be stupid to develop it. HTH +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Wuh, I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married? -- Pinky and Brain
Re: pine editor derby, was Re: London.pm identity cards
If you want to use vi instead of pico always, select the option labeled enable-alternate-editor-implicitly -- this kind of screws up the display of message header info though, so personally I didn't care for this setting. How so? Dropping into it from mutt, the headers are nicely highlighted (where appropriate), and I've added a bit of magic to put me directly into input mode a line down from the headers... Does pine treat this so differently? +Pete
Re: request for supercited mails
OK, I shouldn't do this, but...: Right, you shouldn't, because, as you quite rightly said[1], ad-hominem attacks help no-one... +Pete [1] http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20030428/018794.html
Re: Test Sweets?
To be honest, there's not that much difference. You run the script and run the results though Test::Harness which works out if they passed or not. Or you run each test manually and look at the output. This may be different now, but, I found Test::Simple and Test::More to be a lot easier to grok - especially with the tutorial. Perhaps Test::Unit has better docs now, or perhaps I just sucked even more as a programmer the first time I looked at it, but, purely empirical research would show Test::More to be easier to use... +Pete
Re: [OT] SQL woes
Thanks - I did see the module on CPAN but wan't sure if I only needed the one download. What I can't see there (or at the SQLite site) is a nice example which shows creates, updates and queries a dbase. If I look at the books I've got which show the DBI working with MySQL, can I simply transpose these? What differences with SQLite would you advise I need to look out for? Hi Colin, To interact with databases in Perl, you use the DBI (database interface) module. This talks to a DBD (database driver) module, such as DBD::SQLite. If you installed DBD::SQLite through one of the CPAN shells, it'll probably make sure you install DBI too. http://www.perladvent.org/2002/3rd/ Is an excellent introduction. +Pete
[OT] G4 Cube for sale...
For sale: 1 450Mhz G4 Cube, 30GB HDD, 512MB RAM, OS X 10.2.6 DVD drive, and external CD writer This would make an absolutely perfect center to someone's little audio-visual den... The machine itself (if you don't know what they look like) is a very sexy cube shape - plugged into a TV and stereo, you could watch DVDs and listen to MP3s to your heart's content... I'm thinking 550 quid as a guide price, but all reasonable offers will be considered. Conceivably delivered within Zone 1 for free, will consider other arrangements to. +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but burlap chafes me so. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: IRC Server/Channel
Which is the best perl IRC Server/Channel to use!? EFNet/#perl !? -- If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: IRC Server/Channel
In fact, irc.london.pm.org should point to the london rhizomatic server, or did last I checked. Try: /motd grou.ch When connected. Gives you some useful info about hosts. +Pete
[OT] SQL woes
It's at times like this I realise my SQL skills only cover the basics... I have two tables, 'user' and 'users_names'. I'm looking to deprecate 'users_names', so I've altered 'user' to now contain a 'user_realname' column. Both tables have a column 'user_id', which correspond to each other. I'd like to take the data from 'users_names.name' and put it into 'user.user_realname' where the 'user_id' column match. I just can't seem to find the SQL to make MySQL do this. Any ideas? +Pete -- Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: [OT] SQL woes
is it not simply: ? Apparently not. mysql UPDATE user SET user.user_realname = users_names.name WHERE user.user_id = users_names.user_id; ERROR 1109: Unknown table 'users_names' in where clause However, users_names definitely does exist. I'd speculate here, and, if I'm wrong I'd appreciate being corrected, that it assumes 'users_names' is an alias to a table, but that what it's an alias to hasn't been defined in the query... +Pete -- Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: [OT] SQL woes
UPDATE user, user_names Leading, it would seem to: mysql UPDATE user, users_names SET user.user_realname = users_names.name WHERE user.user_id = users_names.user_id; ERROR 1064: You have an error in your SQL syntax near ' users_names SET user.user_realname = users_names.name WHERE user.user_id = user' at line 1 +Pete -- Lying is forbidden in Iraq. President Saddam Hussein will tolerate nothing but truthfulness as he is a man of great honor and integrity. Everyone is encouraged to speak freely of the truths evidenced in their eyes and hearts. -- Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (Iraqi Information Minister)
Re: Messing with spammers
My personal feeling is that whatever comes and replaces SMTP has to insist that certain information be guaranteed - for example, if smtp.foo.com wants to send an email which has From: [EMAIL PROTECTED], then smtp.foo.com.can-relay.bar.com or something ought to point at smtp.foo.com's IP address. Even better, a two-way 'trust': have bar.com.i-relay-for.smtp.foo.com point at smtp.foo.com's IP address. Looks like you're starting to describe SPF here... http://spf.pobox.com/ +Pete
Re: text'd or texted
Also following the recent discussion on pronunciations, the words text'd or texted do not exists in the dictionary. Which do you think will make it first!? One would assume neither will make it into the dictionary like that, but that 'text [v]' may one day make it in, the logical past-tense of which would be 'texted' - although, given that there are no verbs in English that end in 'xt' yet, that's open to debate. And how do you pronounce it! ;0) text - ed. Without a doubt :-) +Pete -- Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: Messing with spammers
http://grou.ch/bounce.txt I had been thinking of using Mail::DeliveryStatus::BounceParser. Wonderful that CPAN thing, eh? Further to discussions with Leon on IRC... Mail::DeliveryStatus::BounceParser doesn't fill this niche. It is, in fact, a tool for people writing mailing-list software to extract useful information from bounces. As far as I can tell, an unknown message starts off as being assumed to be a bounce, and only if it's recognised as a vacaction reply or similar is it then marked as not being. 10:37 acme then i spy a need for a new module How true. +Pete -- The United Nations[is] a place for prostitution under the feet of Americans. -- Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf (Iraqi Information Minister)
Re: Messing with spammers
I'm currently getting 2-300 bounce messages a day from spam email that I didn't send :( http://grou.ch/bounce.txt I added a pointer to that from procmail, and they all got magically filtered... +Pete
Pollution and Inheritance
I'm writing a module, Some::Module::Extended, which is a sub-class of
Some::Module. There are two or three methods that I want
Some::Module::Extended to override - I want them to do some munging of
their arguments before sending them on to the parent method. So, for
example:
# Some::Module::Extended isa Some::Module
sub new {
my $proto = shift;
my $class = ref($proto) || $proto;
my $data = shift;
$data =~ s/foo/bar/g;
my $self = $class-SUPER::new( $data );
bless ($self, $class);
return $self;
}
However, I'm also a big user of Some::DifferentModule, that,
incidentally, uses Some::Module, and returns Some::Module objects.
Some::DifferentModule is on the CPAN, and I don't want to subclass it or
change it. What I would like to do, is to be able to say something like:
use Some::Module::Extended qw( pollute );
And have Some::Module::Extended pretend to be Some::Module as far as any
other calls in the application (like those from Some::DifferentModule)
are concerned.
Thoughts?
+Pete
--
B: Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?
P: Uh... yeah, Brain, but where are we going to find rubber pants our
size?
-- Pinky and Brain
Re: Meetings
any signs that you lot think are indicative. :-) That's easy, look for an unconventional team: a man who smokes cigars; a crazy pilot; an angry man; and the man from UNCLE...[1] +Pete [1] With apologies to Mr Clamp[2] [2] http://unixbeard.net/~richardc/cgi/blog.cgi/siesta-timeline.pod/ -- Kindness is in our power, even when fondness is not. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: [ANNOUNCE] YAPC::Europe Auction
So what was the result? A certain Esperantophone (sp?) member of the list made an exceptionally generous donation, and a lot of other people followed... Do we know the Esperanto for 'camel'? +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Well, I think so, Brain, but I can't memorize a whole opera in Yiddish. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Is this Schengen thing a recent thing? No, it's been around eight years. http://www.eurovisa.info/ It sounds highly possible you've gotten the wrong end of the shtick. +Pete
Re: in case you didn't notice
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Re: Problem Connecting to IRC?
I just tried to connect with irc.perl.org listed as the server. No luck. What am I doing wrong? (In the meantime, I'm back to being a grouch.) What are you doing wrong? Depends largely on the value of 'No luck'... bash-2.05a$ host -t ANY irc.perl.org irc.perl.org has address 216.232.28.210 irc.perl.org has address 193.201.200.130 irc.perl.org has address 195.82.114.48 (which, for the interested, are binky, grouch, and london, in that order) - I can connect to all of those by telnet on port 6667, the standard IRC port. But if just connecting to grou.ch works for you, go with it. +Pete -- Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: [Job] Web Developer / Sysadmin
Seems to be a reasonable perl dev plus some sysadmin job. As part of the web team, you will have the opportunity to work in a multi-language web environment on the latest technology, helping to promote the benefits of and its products. Using just a little deduction, I'd guess this is a job at Sophos Antivirus. If anyone would like to skip the 'recruitment consultant decides if you're good enough' phase, have a look here: http://www.sophos.com/companyinfo/careers/ +Pete
Re: Problem Connecting to IRC?
I have been told that irc.perl.org should now be used instead of anything else, the LPM website has been updated accordingly. This is correct. grou.ch and london are the two IRC servers in the UK. grouch.irc.perl.org london.irc.perl.org irc.perl.org is a round-robin for all the rhizomatic IRC servers. +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but where will we find a duck and a hose at this hour? -- Pinky and Brain
Re: [Job] Web Developer / Sysadmin
I know someone who works there so if you want I can get the inside opinion on working for the company. Or you could just cut out the middle-man, and ask the two members of the list who work there (although, actually, I work for their sister company)... +Pete -- Do not be too moral. You may cheat yourself out of much life. Aim above morality. Be not simply good; be good for something. -- Henry David Thoreau
[OT] Chewing gum
I appreciate that this is more off-topic than most, but... I was at Heathrow today. I paid 44p for a pack of chewing gum. I eat a lot of chewing gum, maybe two packets a day... That's 88p a day, in a worst-case scenario. I have trouble believing that it costs shops more than about 15p a stick, meaning I'm wasting 73p a day. Or, in a worst-case scenario, about 23 quid a month. Where can I bulk-buy chewing gum online, or, failing that, anywhere else? Thoughts much appreciated +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Wuh, I think so, Brain, but if we didn't have ears, we'd look like weasels. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
Well, doesn't compiled code count as obfuscated? I run other people's compiled code all the time, usually on the basis I have some degree of trust regarding its source. Which, as I should point out, is largely why these 'stupid Windows users' keep getting hit by viruses - when Microsoft sends them compiled code to run, one simply *assumes* it must be ok ... W32/Gibe appeared to be just that - a security patch from Microsoft. Of course I only ran it as a non-privileged user Which means very little. See the first 'myth' of http://www.virusbtn.com/magazine/archives/200209/linux_malware.xml +Pete -- Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: auction time
ps I am Jos' and Elaine's bitch I believe Elaine prefers 'pussy-whipped towel boy', but my memory may be faulty... +Pete -- A cucumber should be well-sliced, dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: auction time
I won't be auctioning myself off either as I have enough to do with helping to keep Jarkko from going nuts over the elusive 5.8.1. Maybe we could auction you off Pete...Just think of the joy you'd give to Uri for 20 quid :) Jokes about Uri's stem[1] aside, I'll go on the record as saying I'm willing to be auctioned for anything aevil thinks I'll bring in money, with the obvious caveat[2]. +Pete [1] www.stemsystems.com [2] Get out clause: as long as my g/f doesn't complain (selling my kidneys would of course violate this...) -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Wuh, I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married? -- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
$_=just another technical yahoo!;@b=sort{rand cmp [EMAIL PROTECTED]//;$|=
print\ec;[EMAIL PROTECTED];sub p{print\e[$_[1];$_[0]H$_[2]}while($e=$a[$g++]){
$f=0;{redo if$b[$f++]ne$e}$b[$f-1]=0;p($f,1,$);$i=$f-$g0?1:-1;while($f
!=$g){select$q,$q,$q,p($f,2,$e)/20;p(($f+=$i)-$i,2,$)}p($f,3,$e.$/)}
I'd like at this point to point out that anyone who actually ever runs
Perl code found in anyone else's signature, without deobfuscating it
first, shouldn't be allowed near a computer.
I was recently sent a three line, heavily obfuscated Perl signature
virus that makes itself your mutt signature, and attempts to hide the
fact from you. Although not in the wild, I'm sure it's only a matter of
time before someone writes and releases something similar.
Running obfuscated code is A VERY VERY BAD IDEA.
+Pete
--
B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering?
P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental
floss.
-- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
yep, although at least you know where i live. (or at least some do...). also i hope most of you know i'm a nice kind of chap who isn't so lame as to do something malicious (lame enough to write obfuscated sigs though..). Windows email viruses also often send themselves from seemingly trusted users. My point was more that you shouldn't simply assume someone you know's .sig is harmless. +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but burlap chafes me so. -- Pinky and Brain
Re: UK Money, again
For some value of soon. Soon being defined as If i'm here, over my dead body. Surely the value of 'soon' here means 'as soon as possible', and implies that it would be an exceptionally good thing? /me dons flame-retardant suit, runs, ducks, covers +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Uh, I think so, Brain, but where will we find a duck and a hose at this hour? -- Pinky and Brain
Re: [sigs] a small collection
So you code review every module before you install them with CPAN / CPANPLUS? That depends on where I'm installing it. At work, of course, every module is hand-checked for malicious code (although not by me - we have a lab for that). The CPAN shell and CPANPLUS are both prohibited (and blocked in). We have a repository of checked software and modules, a snapshot of which I try and grab a copy of fairly regularly for use at home. For home use, I tend to only check a module if it's been released in the last few days or so, or by an author I don't know. I admit, I don't always do this, but, if I'm in the least suspicious, I'll have a quick scan, and I try and avoid blindly installing module dependencies. +Pete -- B: Pinky, Are you pondering what I'm pondering? P: Well, I think so, Brain, but I can't memorize a whole opera in Yiddish. -- Pinky and Brain
[OT] Places to go, people to see...
Dear Mongers, It so happens that I'm expecting a visit from a delightful foreign young lady next week, who's expecting me to show her England. I have eight days, no car, and not a great deal of cash. We'll be based in Fleet (near Basingstoke). I'm half considering going down Dorset way (should be easy to get to) and camping near there for a few days. Oxford is also on the agenda for a few days (being that I live there). Can anyone suggest anywhere else in the country, that's easy to get to, is very beautiful, and is worth going to visit/stay in? We're willing to camp or stay in a nice bed and breakfast, and we're both into The Great Big Outdoors (and both have bikes we can use) ... Ideas sincerely appreciated, including pub/restaurant/bb suggestions in the area... +Pete -- If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them. -- Henry David Thoreau
Re: [OT] Co-location again
I've been trying to find a cheap alternative to co-location, but they all seem to be a right PITA. I can highly recommend http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/ - not colocation, but virtual linux machines. Service has been absolutely first class +Pete
Re: The answer to the map and disc problem
It's true that the z-s tranformation is recent and that the 'z' spellings were in use here when the pilgrims left, but I'm not sure that fact makes them any more correct than the generally accepted 's' spellings. Since when waa antiquity a measure of correctness in spelling or grammer? Exactly. Although, 50 years ago hardly equates with pilgrim times... I believe that's significiantly more recent than Webster's simplifications, about which some people get rather ... jingoistic. But as you say, antiquity is no measure of correctness. Surely, being programmers, and being fond of laughing at the Americans for not using the metric system, we should embrace American spellings, which are arguably simpler and better representations of the spoken words? +Pete -- A cucumber should be well-sliced, dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: RegEx for UK Postal Codes
m/[A-Z]{1,2}\d{1,2}[A-Z]{0,1}\W\d{1,1}[A-Z]{2,2}/
I would personally rewrite it like this:
m/
[A-Z]{1,2}
\d{1,2}
[A-Z]?
\W
\d
[A-Z]{2}
/x
+Pete
--
Almost all absurdity of conduct arises from the imitation of those whom we cannot
resemble.
-- Samuel Johnson
Re: RegEx for UK Postal Codes
Yikes, there's also BFPO... I seem to remember, and perhaps incorrectly, that BFPO is not part of a postcode, and takes a form similar to: Peter Sergeant BFPO 5 UK But it's been a long time since I lived somewhere reachable by one... +Pete -- A cucumber should be well-sliced, dressed with pepper and vinegar, and then thrown out. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: CPAN site
Out of interest, what do people get from www.cpan.org? I only ever use search.cpan.org myself. What am I missing? a) Provides a useful link to theory5 when search.cpan.org is down b) It's much easier to scan specific heirachies on it, like URI::, especially now that people are polluting the CPAN with modules like Meta c) It has some scripts on it d) Some people have index pages in their home directories that provide (debatably) useful information +Pete -- Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little. -- Samuel Johnson
[OT] [SPAM] Cassiopeia EM-500
Following on from the discussions of PDAs, it occurs to me that my lovely, precious Palm has removed the need for my fairly chunky, but colour-screen Cassiopeia EM-500. Half.com is selling it used for 120 quid, they seem to retail on eBay for about 70. Reviews: - http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/reviews.cgi?cpid=1011963129 - http://www.geek.com/hwswrev/pda/casioem500/ - http://www.zdnet.com/supercenter/stories/overview/0,12069,259152,00.html It runs on WinCE, so you have Windows compatability (ActiveSync CD included). Mac OS compatability is provided by http://www.pocketmac.net/, and you can also sync it up to Linux machines with an Infra-red port (not tried this, but details at http://www.cewindows.net/wce/linux-serial.htm). The screen has a minor scratch to it, that, while noticeable if you look carefully, has never gotten in my way. I'm looking for 70 to 80 quid for it, although ideally, I'd like to swap it for an old Apple Airport Card and a book on C++ programming; other interesting shiny things considered. +Pete -- Do not accustom yourself to use big words for little matters. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: use warnings and 5.005
If your code issues warnings, it's wrong. It is? Warnings are just that: warnings. Information to make you sit up and say 'is that what I meant to do'? If your code doesn't compile, it's probably wrong, whether or not it issues warnings is irrelevant. +Pete -- When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: The joys of web development
What about old browsers, that support JavaScript but not the noscript HTML element? *sighs* Which are they? -- When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life; for there is in London all that life can afford. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: use warnings and 5.005
Warnings are things that tell you when you did something you shouldn't. No, that's wrong, and apparently the central point of your misconception. Warnings are things that tell you when you *might* have done something wrong. That's why they're called 'warnings' and not 'errors'. +Pete -- Read over your compositions, and wherever you meet with a passage which you think is particularly fine, strike it out. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: HTML!
And, seeing that it would be Just Wrong to make that the only way of submitting the form, I'm going to have a submit button too. How do I do that funky thang where you can just hit enter to make that button do its thang? Hmm, I think that's just something that all browsers implement, altho you could probably write some crack-ridden JS to parse every key the user presses... I could be wrong, but I seem to remember earlier browsers would submit a form when you hit ENTER, if the form was using GET, but wouldn't if you were using POST. Maybe this has changed? +Pete -- Nature has given women so much power that the law has very wisely given them little. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: rugby
Ok, its been talked about in the past, but does anyone have any plans for a london.pm meet up to watch Ireland kick Englands arse on sunday. How about somewhere nice and central as well, what about the pillars of hercules? or does someone have a better suggestion? I'm planning to be in a pub but obviously watching a different game to you as in my game, Ireland get their arse kicked by England :) I was going to say, will it really be possible to find a pub that shows Ireland beating England? Seems unlikely... +Pete -- Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: c email libraries
There's a link to the Java source of Grendel but that's pretty app specific. And a little free time and a friendly neighbourhood search-engine provides: Balsa's implementation: http://web.mit.edu/ghudson/dev/nsanch/balsa-1.2.pre2/src/balsa-index-threading.c I'm sure it can't be *THAT* hard to find the Evolution equivalent? +Pete -- Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young. -- Samuel Johnson
User-mode Linux (was: Re: Perl 6 Apocalypse 6)
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 12:03:24AM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: What, you're running on physical hardware? D'oh :-) I'm quite rapidly becoming a fan of User Mode Linux especially now that the Separate Kernel Address Space patch is out. Toys: http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/uses.html http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/skas.html http://uml.openconsultancy.com/paper.php Apart from some of the wacky network bridging business it's much simpler than I'd irrationally feared. I'm afraid I'm going to use this opportunity to re-pimp Bytemark hosting, who offer user-mode Linux machines hosted remotely, for £15 a month, as I'm a very happy customer indeed - perfect for backup mail servers and DNS... http://www.bytemark-hosting.co.uk/hosting/vms.php +Pete -- Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: Learning regular expressions
I disagree. Regexps are quite well documented. There is even a manpage exclusively dedicated to it. =-] Though actually most of the docs used to be split between perlop and perlre, neither of which are friendly pieces of text. I believe this situation has ameliorated a little, but, certainly the docs were traditionally kinda sucky. I think that Regexps are hard to learn because the most part of the folks that aren't too much scared to learn it just lack the essential and unavoidable compiler theory where regexp lays its foundations. IMHO, its simply impossible learn good quality regexp use unless you have good regular grammars theory before. No, that's WRONG. Again, I can only give myself as an example, but, I had no compiler theory or regular grammars theory. Regular expressions MAKE SENSE - in (again) my humble experience, it tends to be people who started with C or somesuch language who have the most difficulty with them. Go figure. +Pete -- Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young. -- Samuel Johnson
RTF::Parser
I'm taking over the maintenance of RTF::Parser. My first plans are to write many many tests and some documentation (none exists). On that note, I'd really appreciate it if people could send me examples of code they've written using RTF::Parser, on which I can base tests and example code. Submissions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks! +Pete -- Slavery is now no where more patiently endured, than in countries once inhabited by the zealots of liberty. -- Samuel Johnson
Natwest module
I've today written the first half of a perl script to screen-scrape Natwest's Online Banking. All the authentication parts are implemented, but now I've lost interest (no pun intended). This should probably exist as: Finance::Bank::Natwest If anyone would like to take up the torch, take my existing code, and finish it, I'm more than happy to send it to them. Chances are, if no-one does, I'll release in a few months. +Pete -- Much may be made of a Scotchman, if he be caught young. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: Freelance cooperatives (was: Recruitment Consultant Database)
seek out like-minded company, for inspiration and moral support if nothing else. I'm looking for successful examples to follow, and potential allies. Well I have been thinking about making the jump for a long time, but I am finding it very hard todo so. But eventually I want to start my own company. So if you want someone who can help, albeit on a limited basis, and at the same time you may be helping them. Then keep me in mind. Well, I've made most of the jump myself - I'm going part-time at work, I'm looking into starting a limited company, and have a few clients lined up for various web/perl things. One of the things I'm doing is bringing Schwern to England for a week to do a series of one-day courses at companies about testing with Perl. I'll be posting details to the list about this sometime early next week - if anyone would be interested, and would like to be kept up-to-date, let me know... +Pete -- Almost every man wastes part of his life attempting to display qualities which he does not possess. -- Samuel Johnson
Recruitment Consultant Database (was: Re: Perl jobs in London?)
I've found that some agents are definately more clueful than others.. I think it helps to try and identify yourself in some way to them, so that *if* a job comes thru that you fit, that they will actually think of you and call you. I get the feeling that random people calling up about jobs just get transfered into a limbo part of their brain. Although I'm not in the CFT club, I have been before, and, like you, found that there's definite differences in the quality of recruitment consultants... Would we run foul of the data-protection act or some-such if we were to create a database of recruitment consultants, along with thoughts and experiences of them by people who've used them? +Pete -- Slavery is now no where more patiently endured, than in countries once inhabited by the zealots of liberty. -- Samuel Johnson
Re: Recruitment Consultant Database
Yep. That was me. The Agency Rating System. The idea was that you could rate agencies in a number of categories (professionalism, number of jobs, number of beers they bought, etc). See, I was thinking of something more along the lines of a review system - people just recount their experiences rather than an quantitative vote ... moderation could be put in place to stop obscene names, to try and check no-one was giving false reviews and so on, and, surely, a disclaimer would take care of legal aspects... As some of you may know, I'm about to get more free-time by choice (I'm going part-time so I can do some freelance stuff) - I'd be quite interested in making a go of this... Any thoughts? +Pete -- A man of genius has been seldom ruined but by himself. -- Samuel Johnson
