Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 03:50:41PM +0100, Earle Martin wrote: Some of you may have heard this from me, some not My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) to try and get her one. oh sh-t.. I'm heading to Germany early next month and don't have any special visa's or anything.. I've never really bothered with them before when visiting euro countries and just waved my passport at people on the way thru. Is this Schengen thing a recent thing? tjc
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Thursday, July 17, 2003, 3:59:35 PM, Toby Corkindale wrote:
TC oh sh-t.. I'm heading to Germany early next month and don't have any special
TC visa's or anything..
TC I've never really bothered with them before when visiting euro countries and
TC just waved my passport at people on the way thru.
Depends on your nationality. If you're from a western[1] country and your
purpose of visit is tourism or business trip and its for less than
three months, you can generally just wave your passport at the immigration
officials of any EU country and wander in.
For *.rest-of-world however, it's Fortress Europe now.
TC Is this Schengen thing a recent thing?
Not that new.
http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33020.htm for the official
history.
[1] basically North America, Aus/NZ, and the one or two non-EU western
European countries.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Is this Schengen thing a recent thing? No, it's been around eight years. http://www.eurovisa.info/ It sounds highly possible you've gotten the wrong end of the shtick. +Pete
Re: Expletives (was Eurocracy sucks)
On 15/07/2003 at 01:03 +0100, Ivor Williams wrote: Interestingly enough, this message, and at least four of the replies to it have tripped the corporate dodgy word detector on-site where I am working (lurking). Whilst I fully concur with Earle's sentiments about the attitude of the French authorities towards his wife, I am wondering whether to unsubscribe from this list at work. Perhaps that's a good idea. Either that, or collect it via a method other than your employee's servers. Personally I gave up on work subscriptions to lists after a rather unpleasant morning moving all my mailing lists when a company went bust, and all lists go to my personal addresses (and are collected at work over SSL-enabled POP, although I've also used SSH tunnels). I thought that this list was more or less work-safe and clean, now I am not so sure. Really? (Swearwords starred to protect the mail-filtered, hopefully. Obviously they weren't starred in the grep query. That would be silly.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'f*ck' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 216 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'c*nt' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'sh*t' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 293 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'cr*p' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 466 That's over the entire two-year history in the current pipermail archival mbox. So it's not too bad (that's, what, two severe swear-words a week, and of course I didn't do anything to remove quoted words), but it's not exactly angelic either. One of the list admins certainly has no problem swearing (quite possibly Not Safe For Work): http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020218/010195.html -- :: paul :: compiles with canadian cs1471 protocol
Re: Expletives (was Eurocracy sucks)
* Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030715 11:10]: On 15/07/2003 at 01:03 +0100, Ivor Williams wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep 'f*ck' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 216 echo cannot unlock my door | grep 'f*ck' london.pm.mbox | wc -l 1 You probably mean grep -c 'f.ck' london.pm.mbox -- MarkOv drs Mark A.C.J. OvermeerMARKOV Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://Mark.Overmeer.net http://solutions.overmeer.net
Re: Expletives (was Eurocracy sucks)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:18:27AM +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote: You probably mean grep -c 'f.ck' london.pm.mbox You trim too much. Obviously they weren't starred in the grep query. That would be silly.) -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Bonjour [EMAIL PROTECTED],
You wrote:
But i think , BTW , that among the ideas you were given , the first one
(going to the embassy first thing in the morning and be prepared to spend
the whole day there) has really good chances to succeed .
To check this out, I went to the embassy on my way home from work last
night... it was closed, but I did see a number of large signs saying IT IS
COMPULSORY TO BOOK AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE TELEPHONE BOOKING LINE, or some
such. Thanks for the thought, though.
Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into
starting an OpenGuides Paris
I already thought about that , and started to gather some material ... I'll
let you know but at the moment i have a few things to manage till the 23rd ,
and it will carry on till the 25th ;-) ...
Afterwards , i 'll have some time to get back at this ... :)
Tres bien! I'll look forwards to saying hi.
Amities,
Earle.
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Re: Expletives (was Eurocracy sucks)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 10:07:48AM +0100, Paul Mison wrote:
Personally I gave up on work subscriptions to lists after a rather
unpleasant morning moving all my mailing lists when a company went
bust...
In my case, it was back in 1999, when my boss at the time (a real queen bee
type from the Margaret Thatcher School of Hairstyles and Social Skills) asked
me Who is this Subgenius person? He sends an awful lot of mail. It seems that
when she had nothing to do, she would go up to the company mailserver, next
to her office (it was a small company) and watch the log scrolling past on the
monitor to see what people were sending mail about. And thus had noticed list
traffic on the Lyst[0] to and from my account.
Over the course of the next half hour I changed all my mailing list
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Eurocracy sucks.
Some of you may have heard this from me, some not
My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come
with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa
appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute)
to try and get her one.
They haven't got any appointments free until the 4th of August.
So it looks like she can't come with me. And no, we can't work around this
because the Schengen rules require you to apply for a visa at the embassy or
either the country where most of your stay will be or, failing that, the
first country that you'll be entering. Which in our case is France. Thanks a
fucking lot for not signing the Schengen agreement, Britain.
I wish I'd checked this first.
As a consequence, I now have a useless Eurostar ticket and a hotel booking
for two for six nights when there'll only in fact be one. I checked, and
Eurostar tickets are transferable. So, I know this is a little late, but
would anyone like to come with me? There's a Eurostar seat waiting for you
if you slip me GBP59. The booking is outbound on the 22nd, inbound on the
28th.
Likewise, I booked a room at this hotel:
http://www.hostelparis.com/hosteldetails.php?HostelNumber=613
It's just under two miles from the CNAM, in the middle of Paris. The room
has two beds and ensuite toilet, and costs GBP22 a head per night. I've
booked it for six nights - the 22nd through to the 27th. If someone would
like to share this room, please drop me a line offlist. (First come first
served!) If not, I'll work out how to change the booking to one for a single
person.
Earle
[0] http://www.eurovisa.info/
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: My wife, who is not from within the EU, requires a Schengen Visa[0] to come with me to YAPC::EU. So, I just called the French consulate's visa appointment booking line (which costs a fucking outrageous pound a minute) to try and get her one. They haven't got any appointments free until the 4th of August. My wife, and some of her friends, have the same issue. The solution is to completely ignore all this nonsense about making appointments and just show up at the Embassy. You will have to wait most (all?) of the day but you should get seen. So long as she has all the required documentation she should be able to get the VISA sorted out in time. It's usual for the VISA to be posted out to arrive after about a week. Note the amount of time you have to wait will be dependant upon how busy it is, whether there's anything good on the lunch menu, etc. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband available now
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
At 15:50 14/07/03, Earle Martin wrote: Likewise, I booked a room at this hotel: http://www.hostelparis.com/hosteldetails.php?HostelNumber=613 It's just under two miles from the CNAM, in the middle of Paris. The room has two beds and ensuite toilet, and costs GBP22 a head per night. Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting Paris and stick it somewhere online? My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going to YAPC. Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) Alex Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, JSP http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote:
Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting
Paris and stick it somewhere online?
My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going
to YAPC.
Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-)
Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into
starting an OpenGuides Paris
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 04:47:06PM +0100, Jason Clifford wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote:
The solution is to completely ignore all this nonsense about making
appointments and just show up at the Embassy. You will have to wait most
(all?) of the day but you should get seen.
Somehow I doubt that.
From
http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/asp/service.asp?SERVID=101LNG=enPAGID=220
(warning, deeply shit website):
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VISA ISSUING PROCEDURE
Please note that all persons wishing to apply for visas to visit France MUST
make an APPOINTMENT BY TELEPHONE before attending and submitting their
documents in person at the Consulate.
THE PHONE NUMBER IS : 09065 540 700
Applicants MUST NOT attend at the Consulate without first making an
appointment using the AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE.
The AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE is the ONLY way by
which you can make an appointment.
People without appointments will NOT be admitted at the Consulate.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 06:18:03PM +0200, Mark Overmeer wrote:
I do not know the exact rules, but you may go to any EU consulate
for a visum. Most will be faster than the French...
You can apply for a Schengen visa at either the country the majority of your
visit will be spent in, or, if you do not know that, the first country you
will be entering. In our case, both France. You can't apply to another
country and lie that you'll be visiting there, because they all demand proof
you're actually headed there, like hotel reservations. Believe me, I've
checked.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Earle Martin wrote: VISA ISSUING PROCEDURE Please note that all persons wishing to apply for visas to visit France MUST make an APPOINTMENT BY TELEPHONE before attending and submitting their documents in person at the Consulate. THE PHONE NUMBER IS : 09065 540 700 Applicants MUST NOT attend at the Consulate without first making an appointment using the AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE. The AUTOMATED TELEPHONE APPOINTMENTS BOOKINGS SERVICE is the ONLY way by which you can make an appointment. People without appointments will NOT be admitted at the Consulate. Well my wife didn't need one. I cannot imagine how they expect to deal with people who are not online and will simply turn up at the Consulate - ie the majority of people - as they wont have that information prior to arriving at the Consulate and will expect to be seen. I'd try just turning up. Jason Clifford -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ ADSL Broadband available now
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
I wrote:
Somehow I doubt that.
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Re: Eurocracy sucks.
On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: At 15:50 14/07/03, Earle Martin wrote: Likewise, I booked a room at this hotel: http://www.hostelparis.com/hosteldetails.php?HostelNumber=613 It's just under two miles from the CNAM, in the middle of Paris. The room has two beds and ensuite toilet, and costs GBP22 a head per night. Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting Paris and stick it somewhere online? My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going to YAPC. Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) Grubstreet? Bloody English blokes, I don't get half of what you say. :) Alex Hi Alex It is difficult to give advice without knowing your tastes. When, I have time I love walking at random in Paris. Personnally I read guides _after_ going places, because it so easy to get stuck with ones nose on the guide instead to get a real feeling of the place. Buy Pariscope, that has a nice English section. That will gave you name of places to fo. They are plenty of small museeums that are nice and less crowded than The Louvre. I paste a walk recommandation I sent to Uri Gutman. Personnally I avoid tourist magnets (and picpocket ones by consequence) that have lost any character even if the building may be still nice and splendid. I hate Champs Elysees that have become a mile long burger joint owned by Mac Donald, Disney and the like. If you got to Montmartre, just go one street or two away from the touristic place (Place du tertre) per se to get a feeling. It is a long time I have not gone there and I fear a devastating Amélie Poulain effect. If you gave yourself a good hour or two to go to the CNAM, you can just walk and make détours instead of heading directly to the CNAM. Going thru the west crossing the Boulevard St Michel to the Quartier St Germain, follow the Rue St Andre des Arts, than rue Mazarine or rue de Seine heading North toward the Seine river, after the Institute, cross Seine on le pont des Arts , go thru the Cour Carrée du Louvre, cross the Rivoli street, head toward la Bourse du Commerce, than toward the St Eustache Church, then rue de Tutbirgo toward the CNAM. Hum, Turbigo is to head to the CNAM, it is less interesting from there. Nice walk that avoid the all tourist magnets (so few care even to enter la cour carrée du Louvre for example) Oh, And if the weather is bad or you want to see an authentic weird and recent French animation movie. Go see Les triplettes de Belleville. A vey weird counterpoint to the Tour de France industry. Very French even if the animation has been done in Quebec (Montreal je crois). No dialog, so no problem to follow the story. And like in London, there are a lot of ethnic places. -- stef Available for java/perl/C++/web development in London, UK or nearby. Apache FOP, Cocoon, Turbine, Struts,XSL:FO, XML, Tomcat, JSP http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
Expletives (was Eurocracy sucks)
- Original Message - Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:50:41 +0100 From: Earle Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Eurocracy sucks. Organization: Strike Force for Indolence and Spiritual Beauty Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of you may have heard this from me, some not Interestingly enough, this message, and at least four of the replies to it have tripped the corporate dodgy word detector on-site where I am working (lurking). Whilst I fully concur with Earle's sentiments about the attitude of the French authorities towards his wife, I am wondering whether to unsubscribe from this list at work. I thought that this list was more or less work-safe and clean, now I am not so sure. IvorW (@home).
Re: Eurocracy sucks.
Hi , En ce jour du Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:20:11 +0100, Earle Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] parlait ainsi : On Mon, Jul 14, 2003 at 05:19:13PM +0100, Alex McLintock wrote: Would it be possible to write up people's recommendations for visiting Paris and stick it somewhere online? My girlfriend and I have been meaning to go to Paris - though I'm not going to YAPC. Sorry for your girlfriend , stupid story ... But i think , BTW , that among the ideas you were given , the first one (going to the embassy first thing in the morning and be prepared to spend the whole day there) has really good chances to succeed . Of course i don't guarantee anything , i'm just some mongueur you know , not any kind of state employee . Perhaps we could pollute Grubstreet with it :-) Well, I'm aiming to meet some interesting mongueurs and convince them into starting an OpenGuides Paris I already thought about that , and started to gather some material ... I'll let you know but at the moment i have a few things to manage till the 23rd , and it will carry on till the 25th ;-) ... Afterwards , i 'll have some time to get back at this ... :) -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] lacravate [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assistez à la prochaine conférence Perl en France 23-25 juillet 2003 au CNAM (PARIS) http://yapc.mongueurs.net
