Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:14 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. Unfortunately, it appears to think it doesn't have enough disk space. The linux partition is only 120MB, and the distribution takes up almost half of that when unpacked. I removed almost all the installed packages to make space, but Encode seems to need several MBs to itself, just to compile. As it takes more than 24 hours to even get that far, I'm afraid I have to give up. Too many tests rely on Encode to attempt building without it (though it mostly works on my x86 box at work). -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Boneless Herring - may contain bone (product label at Sainsbury's)
Re: Linux distribution of choice
--Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An entity claiming to be Peter Haworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : RedHat has involved trying to find suitable RPMs, then manually installing : them. I'm sure RH has a nice automatic way of doing this, but Debian does= it : out of the box, and handles the dependencies, too. :=20 Gnorpm handles the automatic part, and IIRC, also dependencies. However, dpkg/dselect/apt under Debian have a better design. I don't think you can hold any packages under Gnorpm. I haven't found any decent command line wrappers for rpm, so you're out of luck if you don't have X installed. Mark --=20 [] | Consistency requires you to be as [] Mark 'Doc' Rogaski | ignorant today as you were a year ago. [] [EMAIL PROTECTED] |-- Bernard Berenson [] | --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8842PTt0KXgQukDQRAnn4AJ4/9M2CGKCeoQP1mXuyVZPuNHjgKgCeJluq W/AZ1e6hI0OC6W8zoHS6QPw= =T8w4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z--
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, 23 May 2002 19:29:43 +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:14 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. If I remember to bring some disks to work (mmm, lovely sneakernet), I'll have a go with the latest bleadperl, but it'll probably take the whole weekend, what with all the stuff Jarkko's stuffed in. When I checked this morning, it was still doing 'make'. It might have started 'make test' by now if I'd loaded all the disks onto the TOS partition and found the dodgy last one before running them through tar (fortunately I made two disk sets, just in case). Or if it didn't run out of swap after a couple of hours. Or if it took me less than 10 hours to remember the root password so I could add more swap. Slow computers are fun, but I prefer my UltraSparc (which is 40 times faster - that's still slow, though). -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free Tibet! With purchase of second Tibet of equal or greater value. Limit two Tibets per customer.-- ModernHumorist.com
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Wed, 22 May 2002 17:57:25 +0200, Newton, Philip wrote: So, I get the impression that discerning hackers use Debian, not only on this list but from yapcs and so. Why is that? I started using Debian because it was the only distribution I could find at the time which supported m68k platforms. I'm now running Debian unstable on x86 and sparc, and keeping things up to date is simple, even if you use dselect. My limited experience of installing and upgrading packages on RedHat has involved trying to find suitable RPMs, then manually installing them. I'm sure RH has a nice automatic way of doing this, but Debian does it out of the box, and handles the dependencies, too. My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't switched it on for a year. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you're running a mail server, you should have enough technical knowledge to not be vulnerable to mass hysteria about technology. Otherwise, go back to your stone knives and raw mastodon meat. -- Charles Cazabon
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no ^^ networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't ^^ switched it on for a year. bah :-( Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. Nicholas Clark
Re: Linux distribution of choice
So, what distro do people prefer and why? What's better in Debian than in Distro X? What's bad about distro X? soapbox I would switch immediatly to any distribution that didn't split up libraries and header files. What is the big deal of having them there? shurely its more effort to package up without them. ALSO. Whose bright idea withing redhat and mandrake was it to define *everything* as being everything except header files. grrr /soapbox
Re: Linux distribution of choice
On Thu, 23 May 2002 11:07:14 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 11:00:34AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: My m68k box is now sitting neglected on my desk at home with a tiny disk, no networking, and comparitively ancient Debian installation. I haven't ^^ switched it on for a year. bah :-( Otherwise it would be interested to learn what it thought of the perl regression tests. The last time I ran them was for 5.005_03, according to google. Back then, it took about 28 hours for make and make test to run, and only two tests failed (one in io/pipe, which wasn't allowing enough time for extremely slow computers, and one in lib/complex, which I don't remember being completely solved). If I remember to bring some disks to work (mmm, lovely sneakernet), I'll have a go with the latest bleadperl, but it'll probably take the whole weekend, what with all the stuff Jarkko's stuffed in. -- Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] C Code. C code run. Run, code, run... PLEASE!!! -- Barbara Tongue
Re: Linux distribution of choice
Newton, Philip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, what distro do people prefer and why? What's better in Debian than in Distro X? What's bad about distro X? Currently, I'm running DeadRat (have been for about 5 years now). Why? Because I was young and foolish and that's what was on the CDs I found. I don't do a lot of tinkering, but when I do it's all pretty clear and there are 1001 pages of information about it on the web. Not to mention shed-loads of packages. Having said that, as soon as I get the nod from management (i.e. time away from urgent (to them) development), I'm frying my laptop to put Debian on it. Ideologically, Debian is a lot closer to my understanding of what open source is about. And let's not mention the fact that Debian's package management system manages packages unlike RPM which is increasingly about as reliable as Install Shield (particularly when uninstalling), and about as useful as mamary glands on a male bovine if you can't satisfy the package dependencies when you're trying to install. When updating packages in RH, after a relatively short time I find that I have a dirty install and it's almost worth doing a fresh install to clean the system out. Colleagues who use Debian say that it doesn't suffer from as much residue when performing system maintenance. One other thing that is drawing me to Debian is the speed with which the distribution moves. Unstable packaged with no bug reports for two weeks are placed straight into testing. They also do a lot of testing to ensure the modules/packages work across multiple architectures. Debian, to me, is put together by a lot of guys who work hard doing what they love. That's always going to produce great code. I don't have any esperience with SuSE, and I haven't touched Slackware since early 1996. If you're running servers, however, I can highly recommend FreeBSD. Again, it's been over 3 years since I touched it, but back then it was very stable and friendly towards typical server-type activities. Ian _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
