Re: nms problem on (old) macs
I went to http://sourceforge.net/projects/nms-cgi/ and was running OSX but attempted to use only OS9 applications while working with the two doanload packages. No problems encountered. Yes, an alias is *effectively* a symbolic link (I believe that there are some differences under the hood, but that's probably because of the HFS/HFS+ file system). The only things that I can think of is that this user has somehow associated the .pl extension with some other application completely or that there's some bizarre fork issue. Older Macs, as you may remember, have that whole resource/data fork thing going as well -- this was the magic that allows us to just say My.Document.10/10/02 and have the Mac know exactly what it was (e.g. Word doc). What's strange is that this user *appears* to be familiar with ResEdit, which is quite an advanced application for pre-OSX macs and suggests that they have *some* idea what they're doing. jon Dave Cross wrote: If there's anyone out there who's still using MacOS 9 I'd appreciate a little help on an nms problem. I got and email the other day from a Mac user who said: The formmail.pl in your zipped archive is an alias on my Mac system, and is missing altogether in the tar.gz version! I assume that by alias he means some kind of symbolic link. I've downloaded the packages (from http://nms.sf.net/scripts.shtml) and they both look fine to me in my limited Linuxy view of the world. I got a bit more information from him later: The file was 42Kb, so I assume it was the full script, it just unzipped as an alias on my system (MacOS 9.2.1 on a G4/400) and I couldn't change it in ResEdit or anything else 'cos it kept looking for the 'original file'! Eventually I tracked a good version down on Matt's site at http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms-download.cgi?s=nms-formmailc=zip; I'm worried that people might start downloading stuff from Matt's site instead of ours as his versions of the nms scripts are a bit out of date. I can't see any difference between Matt's package and ours (except for the newer version of the script) but this chap's Mac obviously can. If any Mac user could give me some clues I'd be very grateful. Thanks, Dave -- jon reades fulcrum analytics t: 0870.366.9338 m: 0797.698.7392 f: 0870.888.8880 lower ground floor 2 sheraton street london w1f 8bh
Re: nms problem on (old) macs
On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:06:30AM +, Dave Cross said: I assume that by alias he means some kind of symbolic link. I've downloaded the packages (from http://nms.sf.net/scripts.shtml) and they both look fine to me in my limited Linuxy view of the world. I got a bit more information from him later: Shirely http://nms-cgi.sf.net/scripts.shtml :) I've just downloaded them both on my Mac (9.1) and Formail is present in both of them. There's no resource fork (oh ex-gruppenfuhrer - am I using the right words) which is fine because nothing apart from macs can read them anyway (resource forks manifest themselves when Macs play with other OSs and leave .apple_double files around [or at least with netatalk they do]) The file was 42Kb, so I assume it was the full script, it just unzipped as an alias on my system (MacOS 9.2.1 on a G4/400) and I couldn't change it in ResEdit or anything else 'cos it kept looking for the 'original file'! I get an eror that says The document Formail.pl could not be opened, because the application that created it could not be found. Which is to be expected. I'm not sure how to solves this or what the difference between nms and matt's are. Maybe one of the Macnoscenti can work it out. Simon
Re: nms problem on (old) macs
On 13/12/2002 at 08:30 +, Simon Wistow wrote: On Fri, Dec 13, 2002 at 07:06:30AM +, Dave Cross said: I assume that by alias he means some kind of symbolic link. I've downloaded the packages (from http://nms.sf.net/scripts.shtml) and they both look fine to me in my limited Linuxy view of the world. I got a bit more information from him later: Shirely http://nms-cgi.sf.net/scripts.shtml :) Yes, that got me just now, because I'm only 25% into my bottle of Irn Bru. I've just downloaded them both on my Mac (9.1) and Formail is present in both of them. Yes, Stuffit Expander 5.5 worked on both, and they both have FormMail.pl extracted fine, plus the other four files. As many Unix switchers to HFS+ will attest, HFS+ is case-preserving but not case-sensitive, so if there's both a FormMail.pm and a formmail.pl you'll have trouble. But that's not the case, so hurrah. (Just thought I'd mention it.) There's no resource fork (oh ex-gruppenfuhrer - am I using the right words) which is fine because nothing apart from macs can read them anyway (resource forks manifest themselves when Macs play with other OSs and leave .apple_double files around [or at least with netatalk they do]) Actually, there's a difference between the type/creator information and the resource fork. You can have one without the other. As it is my file translation setup is such that files that have the extension .pl get the type/creator TEXT/R*ch which just happens to open them in BBEdit. FormMail.pl still has no resource fork, though. As to the files inside the .AppleDouble folder, yes, they do get left around. OS X also leaves .DS_Store droppings all over the place. But then, that's why they invented .cvs_ignore and rsync --exclude-from, isn't it? :) The file was 42Kb, so I assume it was the full script, it just unzipped as an alias on my system (MacOS 9.2.1 on a G4/400) and I couldn't change it in ResEdit or anything else 'cos it kept looking for the 'original file'! That's very odd. I wonder what version of Expander they were using? FWIW the file came out as 44K (44,712 bytes) for me. I get an eror that says The document Formail.pl could not be opened, because the application that created it could not be found. Which is to be expected. Well, if you're too slack to set up File Exchange prefs it is :) You can always drop the file onto either MacPerl or BBEdit (or whatever else, I suppose). I'm not sure how to solves this or what the difference between nms and matt's are. Maybe one of the Macnoscenti can work it out. There's nothing to be solved about this, as far as I can tell. However, attempting to run the script gives: # Too late for -T option. If I get another burst of energy I'll try setting up a Mac webserver (probably Quid Pro Quo, as I have a copy lying around) and see if I can get it to work. If I do, I'll write it up. I'm sure you'll all be nicely horrified at the hoopage. Referring back to Dave's question, I can't see any difference in the files either. Perhaps suggest downloading the files and explicitly opening them with Stuffit Expander? -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: nms problem on (old) macs
On 13/12/2002 at 11:32 +, Glyn Hughes wrote: If there's anyone out there who's still using MacOS 9 I'd appreciate a little help on an nms problem. I got and email the other day from a Mac user who said: The formmail.pl in your zipped archive is an alias on my Mac system, and is missing altogether in the tar.gz version! I couldn't unzip the tar.gz with Stuffit (Mac OS utility included as standard) at all even though I had both tar and gzip decompression enabled on my G4/400. There's probably something at versiontracker.com that'll do it. If I find something I'll let you know Which version of Stuffit? You may need DropStuff with Expander Enhancer [0] for old versions. Stuffit Expander 7 should do it too, and it's free. If you want to go the hardcore way, suntar and MacGzip will do the expansion, albeit in two steps. http://www.stuffit.com/expander/macindex.html http://www.pianodisc.com/index001/suntar-222.hqx [1] http://persephone.cps.unizar.es/~spd/gzip/ [0] Snappy names, these Mac apps. [1] I believe there may be a version 2.3 but I couldn't find a page for it. -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: aliases (was Re: nms problem on (old) macs)
On 13/12/2002 at 08:29 +, Jon Reades wrote: On 13/12/2002 at 07:06 +, Dave Cross wrote: I assume that by alias he means some kind of symbolic link. I've Yes, an alias is *effectively* a symbolic link (I believe that there are some differences under the hood, but that's probably because of the HFS/HFS+ file system). An alias doesn't really map neatly to either a symbolic nor a hard link in Unix terms, although it has elements of both. Tedious detail follows. [This is your hint to skip this.] An alias contains a whole heap of information about where to find a file, including what volume it was on, its creation date, and its location (both as the equivalent of an inode and the full path). (The curious can find quite a lot about the Alias Manager at developer.apple.com simply by searching for 'alias'.) It's not necessary for an alias to be created on an HFS or HFS+ file system. Next time I've booted OS X I might try creating a UFS disk image to test this. You can certainly leave aliases on remotely mounted file systems. Like a hard link, aliases continue to be resolved even if the file is moved around (although only if it's moved around the volume it was created on, usually). Unlike a hard link, and like a soft/symbolic link [0], the alias is definitely not the same file; deleting the alias and deleting the file it references do very different things (one leaves a dangling alias that can be retargeted, the other leaves the file untouched and simply removes the alias). Annoyingly, the Mac OS X Finder can resolve symbolic links, but cannot create them, whereas the CLI utilities can neither create nor resolve aliases This is shame, since to my eyes this is another example of where the Unix model is exhibiting 'worse is better' behaviour. Returning to the original question, a file being unpacked as an alias, especially from a 'foreign' platform, is fairly unlikely. However, and I'm not able to test this situation (today), it's possible that: * Mac OS 9.2 has been updated to understand symlinks * The latest versions of Stuffit (or whatever tool was used) understands that a symlink in a tarball should be expanded as a symlink * A tarball has been created which used a symlink rather than resolving it to the target file In that case, the Finder may present what looks like an alias but is in fact a symlink from a foreign system which, unsurprisingly, fails to resolve. Get Info (command+I) on the alias may show whether this is the case. [0] I wonder if the Unix people will drop on me like a ton of bricks for using these two terms synonymously? -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: nms advocacy opportunity for me ;)
Newton, Philip wrote: I took the opportunity and suggested the look into replacing their formmail script not with Matt's 1.92 but with the nms offering. Let's see whether anything will happen Update: I got this short reply from the Form Mail Abuse Team: Thank you for the information. We are checking out the possibility of using NMS. So we'll see what happens. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: nms advocacy opportunity for me ;)
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 12:41:09PM +0200, Newton, Philip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: My web hoster recently sent me email saying that they were upgrading their formmail script on 13 May and urged all customers who had installed their own copy to do the same. I took the opportunity and suggested the look into replacing their formmail script not with Matt's 1.92 but with the nms offering. Let's see whether anything will happen That's excellent news. If you need any backup from the proejct tema then please let me know. Dave... -- Drugs are just bad m'kay
Re: nms article online
Ivor Williams wrote: Still, I've not come across the programming language called Pen before :-) It's probably related to the language PerI (Per-capital-eye) which was also mentioned in the article several times. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: [Nms-cgi-devel] Re: Lightweight template module?
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Andy Wardley wrote: Well, something like that It'll be great, honest Yeah, we believe you Andy, we believe you :) /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://wwwgellyfishcom | This space for rent |
Re: nms in Linux Format
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:45:22AM +, Dave Cross wrote: The new issue ot Linux Format (#25 - March 2002) has a small article about nms on page 16. It mentions london.pm a few times and is illustrated with the photo by Jeff Moore that we discussed here a couple of weeks ago. You going to scan it so we don't have to buy that dreadful rag? -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david This is nice. Any idea what body-part it is?
Re: nms in Linux Format
On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:45:22AM +, Dave Cross wrote: The new issue ot Linux Format (#25 - March 2002) has a small article about nms on page 16. It mentions london.pm a few times and is illustrated with the photo by Jeff Moore that we discussed here a couple of weeks ago. You going to scan it so we don't have to buy that dreadful rag? You'd think they'd have it all on their website (as I'm sure they get 90% of it from the web to begin with, a couple of months prior to publication) I tried a search to find it, but, err The requested URL /search.php was not found on this server Quality. the hatter
Re: nms in Linux Format
On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 02:33:23PM +, Dave Cross wrote: It's weird. Their website bears no relation at all to the magazine - other than a brief list of the contents of last month's issue. Linux Format seem to have their server cracked almost monthly[0] so they've probably got bored of updating it. Linux Magazine (The UK version) is better but I'm biased as the editor has bought many a round at GLLUG and gives out the occasional bundle of issues for free at installfests. I like a Linux mag that gets involved with the community. Dean [0] They used their own security articles i reckon... -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
RE: nms article online
Good one Dave! Though I did at first wonder what software I need to download to read a document in linux format. (Dohh!) Then I wondered where the Acrobat zoom control was to correct for the fuzzy text. I'm sure that Acrobat is keeping many opticians in business... or one eyed kings possibly ;-) But I realised that I was looking at a gif and you have OCR'ed the text below (Dohh! again) Still, I've not come across the programming language called Pen before :-) Nice write up though. How much take-up is there so far on NMS? Are there any webcounters on the site? It would be interesting to see if the magazine improves the hit rate. Ivor. -Original Message- From: Dave Cross [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 27 February 2002 16:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; london.pm Subject: nms article online ***A T T E N T I O N*** This email originates from the Internet and therefore may not be from the apparent sender. If you have any doubts about the origin or content of the email please contact PC Support on x2288. *** [x-posted. careful with those replies] See http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/art.html. Dave... -- Drugs are just bad m'kay --- The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and solely for the intended addressee(s). Unauthorised reproduction, disclosure, modification, and/or distribution of this email may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect those of LIFFE Holdings Plc or any of its subsidiary companies. ---
Re: NMS
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 12:18:31PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 31.5, and the winner is: SPAM: Content analysis details: (49.5 hits, 5 required) Yow! Looking at it, I have to think it is an example of spammer wit. The From: scores 5.8 by itself, 2 for an invalid Date:, then 16 body hits *and* it's from a relay in relays.ordb.org! He should still be suspended from his testicles and spun at high speed. -- Chris Benson
Re: NMS
Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Following comments here, I installed Mail::SpamAssassin in early January. It is a huge improvement on my previous Mail::Audit blacklist. Some spam still gets through, but way less than before ... What's your high score? Mine currently stands at 31.5 -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Re: NMS
From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 2002-02-11 at 06:11, Simon Wilcox wrote: I shall, I'm interested to make sure that NMS has closed whatever hole is being probed for. Perhaps some of us (and I'm happy to help here) should poke around on more newsfroups, find places where people discuss matt's scripts, and as conversation arises, make sure people know that an alternative exists. I was very interested to find this site: http://www.allthingsperl.com/ particularly this quote: There are more than 500, if not a 1000 web sites out there that have something to do with Perl. The question is, how does one find any or all of them? :-) I have to applaud the effort though, does anyone know who the author is? /Robert
Re: NMS
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 08:26:52AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Following comments here, I installed Mail::SpamAssassin in early January. It is a huge improvement on my previous Mail::Audit blacklist. Some spam still gets through, but way less than before ... What's your high score? Mine currently stands at 31.5 Damn, I never thought of keeping scores :-) ... lessee ... I've had 11 31.5, and the winner is: SPAM: Content analysis details: (49.5 hits, 5 required) That must be really something. Needless to say I won't/can't show it to you :-) -- Chris Benson
Re: NMS
--- Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was very interested to find this site: http://www.allthingsperl.com/ particularly this quote: There are more than 500, if not a 1000 web sites out there that have something to do with Perl. The question is, how does one find any or all of them? :-) I have to applaud the effort though, does anyone know who the author is? According to the appropriate registering body (OpenSRS), the domain belongs to Jim Shook of Castaic, CA. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Re: NMS
Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 08:26:52AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Chris Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Following comments here, I installed Mail::SpamAssassin in early January. It is a huge improvement on my previous Mail::Audit blacklist. Some spam still gets through, but way less than before ... What's your high score? Mine currently stands at 31.5 Damn, I never thought of keeping scores :-) ... lessee ... I've had 11 31.5, and the winner is: SPAM: Content analysis details: (49.5 hits, 5 required) Yow! -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
RE: NMS
I received an alert from the FBI about Matt's version of Formail. Might be a reasonable quote. I'll dig out the (public) reference to it if wanted. Richard -Original Message- From: Mike Jarvis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 11 February 2002 10:29 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NMS Anybody know somebody actually using the formmail.pl from NMS? I read on news.admin.net-abuse.email this morning that people are noticing a surge in probes for formmail.pl, for use by spammers. Might be nice to get a success story or two up on the page. Hell, success stories from users for any of the programs, telling how easy, powerful, etc, but I thought this shows *why* NMS is the better alternative. groups.google for Gozilla and formmail probing -- mike Pretzel schmetzel, the guy was drunk
Re: NMS
On 11 Feb 2002, Mike Jarvis wrote: Anybody know somebody actually using the formmail.pl from NMS? I read on news.admin.net-abuse.email this morning that people are noticing a surge in probes for formmail.pl, for use by spammers. I use it one one small site that we migrated from another ISP who was using MS [1] formmail.pl Seems to work for me. Might be nice to get a success story or two up on the page. Hell, success stories from users for any of the programs, telling how easy, powerful, etc, but I thought this shows *why* NMS is the better alternative. The problem with success stories is that NMS scripts don't offer any functionality over the original MS ones. The only successes are negatives as in this didn't happen to me but it did to MS users. But from a marketingdroid p.o.v. we should still put up as much positive spin as we can coerce^Wfind even if the featureset is the same ;-) groups.google for Gozilla and formmail probing I shall, I'm interested to make sure that NMS has closed whatever hole is being probed for. Simon. [1] MS eq Matt's Scripts, not the other MS although their software is equally as unpolished [2] Must be the initials :-) [2] charitable mode = on.
Re: NMS
I know ybw.com were getting spam sent across there old formail.pl, I told the admin there about NMS and he dropped in the replacement and was impressed. -- mallum on Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 05:29:27AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: Anybody know somebody actually using the formmail.pl from NMS? I read on news.admin.net-abuse.email this morning that people are noticing a surge in probes for formmail.pl, for use by spammers. Might be nice to get a success story or two up on the page. Hell, success stories from users for any of the programs, telling how easy, powerful, etc, but I thought this shows *why* NMS is the better alternative. groups.google for Gozilla and formmail probing -- mike Pretzel schmetzel, the guy was drunk
Re: NMS
Mike Jarvis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 2002-02-11 at 06:11, Simon Wilcox wrote: I shall, I'm interested to make sure that NMS has closed whatever hole is being probed for. Perhaps some of us (and I'm happy to help here) should poke around on more newsfroups, find places where people discuss matt's scripts, and as conversation arises, make sure people know that an alternative exists. I evangelise it everywhere anyone mentions MS. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: NMS
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Dave Cross wrote: http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/nms/ is more up to date. formmail has been deployed live too, by me for a customer on one of our servers. Somehow there's a little thrill every time I see that (c) London Perl Mongers strapline :-) Simon. -- I was reading the dictionary. I thought it was a poem about everything. - Steven Wright
Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I thought that the NMS page at http://london.pm.org/cgi-bin/nms.pl was automatically rebuilt from the CVS repository every (mumble) hours. Am I misremembering? there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, if you want to check in your latest work, this time under the projects folder (from the looks of things), i'll adjust the publishing script and things should work again greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/24/01 1:40:46 PM there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, Was this a result of the recent r00ting? Call me old fashioned, but if I put code under source code control then I like it to stay there until I remove it :) If the CVS repository on Penderel is going to be transitory, then maybe I'll have to store it elsewhere. if you want to check in your latest work, this time under the projects folder (from the looks of things), i'll adjust the publishing script and things should work again My latest work was checked into CVS on Penderel. I'll check and see what I've got in my local copy. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: NMS
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 08:19:39AM -0700, Dave Cross wrote: My latest work was checked into CVS on Penderel. I'll check and see what I've got in my local copy. I would guess that what you checked into CVS is still in /home/cvsroot.old/nms Presumably that could easily be copied into the new CVS root. I won't do it, in case there's a reason why it wasn't. (I don't know anything about the CVS reorganisation, I just looked on the filesystem.) .robin. -- I dreamt the other night that my nose had fallen off --john melesky
Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/24/01 1:40:46 PM there has been some changes to CVS and there is no NMS on there now, Was this a result of the recent r00ting? indirectly yes, one of the volunteer admins asked if they could reconfigure CVS and i said yes, so its my fault i guess, i assumed that my recently checkout copy of CVS was a good enough backup *clickity click* [gem@scully nms]$ ls -la formmail/ total 48 drwxr-xr-x3 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 . drwxr-xr-x 13 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 .. drwxr-xr-x2 gem users4096 Sep 30 15:58 CVS -rwxr-xr-x1 gem users 11024 Sep 18 20:26 FormMail.pl -rwxr-xr-x1 gem users 20974 Sep 18 20:17 README if these files are more recent than you have let me know and i'll mail them to you If the CVS repository on Penderel is going to be transitory, then maybe I'll have to store it elsewhere. there seems to be some new projects now stored under CVS, however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i would take a personal backup of anything important you put on the box of course if you want us to move to a managed server service we can get it, it might cost slightly more of course ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/24/01 5:05:22 PM If the CVS repository on Penderel is going to be transitory, then maybe I'll have to store it elsewhere. there seems to be some new projects now stored under CVS, however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i would take a personal backup of anything important you put on the box of course if you want us to move to a managed server service we can get it, it might cost slightly more of course ;-) Fair point. Well made. I apologise for sounding ungrateful. Now I remember why I stopped drinking at lunchtimes. Dave... -- http://www.dave.org.uk Let me see you make decisions, without your television - Depeche Mode (Stripped)
Re: NMS
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:05:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i would take a personal backup of anything important you put on the box Where's the logic in that? Are volunteers more likely to make mistakes resulting in data loss than paid admins? Personally I tend to take *more* care when I'm doing that sort of thing voluntarily.. It seems a little insulting to the voluntary admins (whoever they may be) to suggest that they're more likely to make mistakes than highly paid professionals... .robin.
Re: NMS
however as the guys who admin the box do so on a voluntary basis, i Where's the logic in that? Are volunteers more likely to make mistakes resulting in data loss than paid admins? Personally I expect Greg is reffering to accountability and sueability.
Re: NMS
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: It seems a little insulting to the voluntary admins (whoever they may be) to suggest that they're more likely to make mistakes than highly paid professionals... i was more implying that you had the right to bitch at paid professionals, with the people who currently admin the box the only right you have is to buy them beer ;-) sorry if it came across differently from this, ho hum Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Now I remember why I stopped drinking at lunchtimes. I have considered stopping my mail server from sending after pub closing time and then presenting me a list of what i like to term, Crap you wanted to send last night when pissed the next morning. Of course when pissed I'd try and override this behaviour, probably doing even more damage ;-) Greg -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: NMS
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 05:45:39PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: i was more implying that you had the right to bitch at paid professionals, with the people who currently admin the box the only right you have is to buy them beer ;-) I agree :-) sorry I misunderstood you .robin. -- Images have limits. i am grateful for that. --Catherine Milne
Re: NMS [formmail]
I hear that one problem with that script is the security problem that if it is not altered, then it is possible to send mail from any address, effectively allowing you to spam with it. What I suggest for NMS scripts is that they have an internal configuration function, whereby the script will refuse to run unless it is configured. In fact, if it is unconfigured, then present a configuration interface, unless they can't find an appropriate place writable to store configuration. In that case, instructions are presented for logging into their ftp account and making a world-writable directory for the script to write to (perhaps this could be a URL to a NMS help system), or instructions for manually customising the script to close security holes etc. Sound good? Sam. On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:06:02 +0100 Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just released a first draft of FormMail. It's at http://www.dave.org.uk/nms/ I would have put it in CVS on penderel, but it seems to be configured so that only Greg can use it :) Incidently, perlfaq9 says that when using sendmail from a Perl script, you should use the flags -oi -t -odq. I found that when I used -odq, the mail wasn't delivered. Any ideas why that might be? Dave... -- Don't dream it... be it
Re: NMS [formmail]
From: Sam Vilain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/18/01 9:49:42 AM I hear that one problem with that script is the security problem that if it is not altered, then it is possible to send mail from any address, effectively allowing you to spam with it. In the latest version of FormMail (1.9, released August 2001[1]) there's a new security feature, an array called @recipients which defines the valid set of recipients for the mail. This is meant to prevent spam being sent using the script. I've incorporated this fix in my version, so feel free to take a look and see what you think. What I suggest for NMS scripts is that they have an internal configuration function, whereby the script will refuse to run unless it is configured. In fact, if it is unconfigured, then present a configuration interface, unless they can't find an appropriate place writable to store configuration. In that case, instructions are presented for logging into their ftp account and making a world-writable directory for the script to write to (perhaps this could be a URL to a NMS help system), or instructions for manually customising the script to close security holes etc. Sound good? Happy to consider things like this as long as they don't violate the overriding rules of NMS. 1/ Drop in replacements for MSA. Nothing harder to use than in the MSA versions. 2/ Runs using only features and modules available with the standard distribution of Perl 5.004_04. If you have a plan, please let me know. Dave... [1] He seems to be updating things a little more often recently. -- http://www.dave.org.uk Mention The Lord of the Rings just once more and I'll more than likely kill you, Moorcock! Moorcock! Michael Moorcock! you fervently moan. - Half Man Half Biscuit (Dickie Davies Eyes)
Re: NMS [formmail]
On Tue, Sep 18, 2001 at 09:49:42AM +0100, Sam Vilain wrote: What I suggest for NMS scripts is that they have an internal configuration function, whereby the script will refuse to run unless it is configured. In fact, if it is unconfigured, then present a configuration interface Sound good? The first two lines do. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -- Richard Dawkins
Re: NMS [formmail]
Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:06:02PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Incidently, perlfaq9 says that when using sendmail from a Perl script, you should use the flags -oi -t -odq. I found that when I used -odq, the Well, I would have said you can use the flags rather than you should use the flags, but yes. I would also recommend '-oem'. What's that do? Something about emailing the originator on any problems? -odq is a queue only switch, according to my copy of the Bat Book. Thus the mail will sit in the queue until a queue run happens. While MBM answered your question, Dave, I'd like to point out that you could have found out yourself with a bit more RTFM'ing :) : and -odq says to put the message into the queue. This last : option means your message won't be immediately delivered, so : leave it out if you want immediate delivery. (From `perldoc -q send mail` on Perl v5.6.0, but I'm fairly certain that passage was in the 5.005_03 docs as well.) Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
Re: NMS [formmail]
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:06:02PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: I've just released a first draft of FormMail. It's at http://www.dave.org.uk/nms/ This appears to be 404ing :-( Neil.
Re: NMS [formmail]
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 11:06:02PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
I've just released a first draft of FormMail. It's at
http://www.dave.org.uk/nms/
I would have put it in CVS on penderel, but it seems to be configured so
that only Greg can use it :)
Incidently, perlfaq9 says that when using sendmail from a Perl script, you
should use the flags -oi -t -odq. I found that when I used -odq, the
I would also recommend '-oem'.
'-t' may be a problem as it strictly doesn't allow you to force the envelope
from, which may be a sensible thing to allow (remember that the webuser may
well run as trusted user, and hence be allowed to set such things).
-odq is a queue only switch, according to my copy of the Bat Book. Thus
the mail will sit in the queue until a queue run happens. This will be
dependent on the -qtime in the invocation of /usr/{lib,sbin}/sendmail.
MBM
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Matthew Byng-Maddick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://colondot.net/
Re: NMS [formmail]
On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 06:09:21PM -0400, Chris Devers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Dave Cross wrote: I've just released a first draft of FormMail. It's at http://www.dave.org.uk/nms/ Trying trying again yep: 404 not found. You followed a broken or out-of-date link Er, yeah. It's http://www.dave.org.uk/scripts/nms/ Sorry, Dave... -- Don't dream it... be it Drugs are just bad m'kay .sig missing... .sig missing... Drugs are just bad m'kay .sig missing... Don't dream it... be it
