Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Chisel Wright wrote: > What about the negative property of having to (re)boot into windows, or > find a windows box, type up your CV. Save. Or use OpenOffice.org or StarOffice or whatever reckons it can save in a Word format. If you believe that a plain text cv makes a big enough impact for you in this highly competitive market then a simple Word document with little formatting should suffice to get you past the first hurdle. I'm not getting drawn into the presentation vs content debate... Simon.
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 11:47:39AM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote: > Okay, it's an effort, but if you're not prepared to make an > effort looking for a job why would you expect anyone to make > an effort to hire you? I'm prepared to make an effort when looking for a job. I update my CV. I keep it in two (almost) universal formats. I contact lots of people and let them have either of these formats. "Making an effort" is not the same as "Typing your CV in Word" IMO Chisel -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | You code in Java but you find the w: www.herlpacker.co.uk | command line a chore?!? gpg: D167E7FE |
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 10:51:14AM +0100, Michael Stevens wrote: > 3) Most of the negative properties of a Word document occur for the > recipient, not me, and they *asked* to experience those negative > properties. What about the negative property of having to (re)boot into windows, or find a windows box, type up your CV. Save. Then everytime you want to ammend your CV: reboot, edit, save, lather, rinse, repeat > Although I do try to send out both Word and plain text when I get a > feeling I'm dealing with more technical people. I aim to send mine in text or html. > Michael Chisel > (I don't have a cat :( ) I do. -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | I am Dyslexic of Borg. Your arse will w: www.herlpacker.co.uk | be laminated. gpg: D167E7FE |
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Wed Oct 23 08:55:17 2002, the hatter wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Toby|Wintrmute wrote: > > > Speaking of Word docs, what do u with job applications that demand your CV in > > MS Word format? > > If it's an agency, I suspect it's not worth your effort to do anything > other than send it as a word doc. I always send HTML. Only once did an agent reply and say he needed a Word document. I told him that if he wasn't capable of opening an HTML document in Word, then he isn't capable of finding me a job. Most agents are bad enough, so I don't have time to waste on the really stupid ones. > There have been some rumours that if you have an html or other format, > and just call it cv.doc, then MS Word will be called to open it, Well, that worked for me when uploading to a site that required Word documents. > but utlimately, most agencies and websites will then take your > beautifully contructed word doc, and then mangle it in all sorts of > interesting manners, randomly reformat it, take out any useful links > you've listed, ReCapitalise some words for you, and then spit it out > to potential employers. gojobsite.co.uk converts your CV to Word, but you download the finished product and check it out. -- Marty
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:33:20PM -0700, Toby|Wintrmute wrote: > *delurks* > Speaking of Word docs, what do u with job applications that demand your CV in > MS Word format? When I last applied for jobs, I passed my CV around as a single URL to the CV on the web. This seemed to me to be the easiest thing to do. I think it is likely to be in PDF though, next time I have to do it, as I would quite like some sort of rendered format that can't be easily mangled by the pimp who attempts to pass it to the wrong type of companies. Personally, though, if they *demand* it in M$Word, then I probably won't much like working there, and so I don't tend to apply for that sort of job. This attitude may need to change in the future, though. :-( -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
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On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, the hatter wrote: > But finding firms where the geeks collect the CVs is > tricky, and just because the HR department suck doesn't necessarily make > it a bad place. I'm in charge (allegedly) of engineering recruitment in my office, and get a large bunch of CVs through every week (especially when we have no adverts or solicitations of any kind). The thing I find strange is that 90% of the mails I get from techy people (even the good ones and not only the ones who apply for a job as a C++/Perl database programmer on VMS when their only experience is writing a homepage about their cat in frontpage...rant...) attach a word doc CV. I run windows at work, and as such don't have too much hassle with this, but it's still surprising. Another annoying trend I've seen recently is people sending covering letters as word docs as well, leaving an entirely blank email with the title "Recruitment"...I don't know if this is a statement on the competence of the people who send me CVs, or just a statement in general... or something anyway, (like I need to tell you lot) don't do it. At least put something in your email saying what TYPE of job your applying for... hmm billy -- "The sky was the colour of television, tuned to a dead whelk" Billy Abbott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002, Toby|Wintrmute wrote: > Speaking of Word docs, what do u with job applications that demand your CV in > MS Word format? If it's an agency, I suspect it's not worth your effort to do anything other than send it as a word doc. There have been some rumours that if you have an html or other format, and just call it cv.doc, then MS Word will be called to open it, and the agent will be none the wiser, but utlimately, most agencies and websites will then take your beautifully contructed word doc, and then mangle it in all sorts of interesting manners, randomly reformat it, take out any useful links you've listed, ReCapitalise some words for you, and then spit it out to potential employers. > The last job I applied for (and took) actually refused to accept MS Word > docs. Good to see some people with sense :) You'd think they'd learn from all the word-borne viruses that they'd consider some sort of alternatives, I don't envy the support staff who have to maintain the machines of people who opens hundreds of unsolicited word documents. But finding firms where the geeks collect the CVs is tricky, and just because the HR department suck doesn't necessarily make it a bad place. the hatter
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
*delurks* Speaking of Word docs, what do u with job applications that demand your CV in MS Word format? The last job I applied for (and took) actually refused to accept MS Word docs. Good to see some people with sense :) -Toby On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:35:29PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > On Sun Oct 20 21:49:03 2002, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > A while back there was a discussion on IRC where I trolled how I bounced > > returned a form response for emails containing .docs requesting a > > document in a format that doesn't require a license* > > ... > > My intended response to email containing Word docs is to bounce and > attach a Debian GNU/Linux boot disc image.
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On Tue Oct 22 13:45:09 2002, Simon Dick wrote: > On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:35:29PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > > My intended response to email containing Word docs is to bounce and > > attach a Debian GNU/Linux boot disc image. > > floppy or compact? Just the floppy. I dont want to stress my own MTA. And the boot CD I use just has the floppy image on it; enough to do a network install. -- Marty
Re: Viewing MS Word docs in email
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 01:35:29PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > On Sun Oct 20 21:49:03 2002, Paul Makepeace wrote: > > A while back there was a discussion on IRC where I trolled how I bounced > > returned a form response for emails containing .docs requesting a > > document in a format that doesn't require a license* > > ... > > > > * (of course, I don't actually do this but it was quite amusing watching > > a fair proportion of the channel try to defend their right to send MS > > Turd emails). > > My intended response to email containing Word docs is to bounce and > attach a Debian GNU/Linux boot disc image. floppy or compact? -- Simon Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Sun Oct 20 21:49:03 2002, Paul Makepeace wrote: > A while back there was a discussion on IRC where I trolled how I bounced > returned a form response for emails containing .docs requesting a > document in a format that doesn't require a license* > ... > > * (of course, I don't actually do this but it was quite amusing watching > a fair proportion of the channel try to defend their right to send MS > Turd emails). My intended response to email containing Word docs is to bounce and attach a Debian GNU/Linux boot disc image. -- Marty
