Books
I have the following to get rid of: O'Reilly Perl testing Conway OO Perl Practical Mod Perl Beck XP explained Beck Planning XP A signed Melissa Cole Let me tell you about beer. Collect from Camden or I might be able to drop somewhere central.
LPW books
Hi, I left an O'Reilly bag with a couple of books in it in the pub on Saturday after LPW, don't suppose anyone picked it up? Thanks! Cass.
Re: LPW books
On Mon, December 6, 2010 14:10, caroline johnston wrote: Hi, I left an O'Reilly bag with a couple of books in it in the pub on Saturday after LPW, don't suppose anyone picked it up? If no-one did, I'm very happy to check with the pub for you. I'm about 10 minutes walk away.
Re: LPW books
On 6 December 2010 14:14, Martin A. Brooks mar...@antibodymx.net wrote: If no-one did, I'm very happy to check with the pub for you. I'm about 10 minutes walk away. Really? That would be great, thanks! I've been trying to phone them but I can't get through. I owe you beer.
Re: LPW books
On Mon, December 6, 2010 14:50, caroline johnston wrote: Really? That would be great, thanks! I've been trying to phone them but I can't get through. I have your books. I live in RM3 and work in W1. Personal handover or post is fine.
Books for sale
Dear London.ebay, I've decided to remove wads of dead-tree from my life. Accordingly, I'm selling loads of books, many of which are actually quite good. Details here: http://www.anthonysblog.org/books.html Anthony -- To contact me directly please apply s/lists/aef/ to my address.
Re: Books and stuff
On 1 Sep 2010, at 20:35, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: If anyone wants me to bring book for free/sale to the meet tomorrow, let me know what you want: http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/ Cancer research got the ones Amazon values at £0.01 :) 11 books down! Only 21 left! http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/
Books and stuff
If anyone wants me to bring book for free/sale to the meet tomorrow, let me know what you want: http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/ Cancer research got the ones Amazon values at £0.01 :)
Last call for books
Anyone else want books brought to the emergency tomorrow? There are still some goodies in there, some Murakami and Yoshimoto as well as some brain ones. http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/ A few monies would be nice. -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: Books to get rid of
On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:49:20PM +, Denny wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 22:31 +0100, Richard Foley wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:44:15 Peter Corlett wrote: Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible. Sounds like another great idea turned into a YAWOT (Yet Another Waste Of Time) because it's grown, or was built, too complicated. Mostly it just suffers from using Yahoo groups as the back-end, and then trying to wrapper those in a failed attempt to make them friendlier or something. Once you've managed to sign up to your local group, casual giving is easy - post one message saying what you've got to give away, pick a winner from the emails that are sent to you in reply, and then post a second email saying that you've chosen someone and the stuff is gone now. Web site doing freecycle-like style donation in France: http://www.donnons.org/. Subscribed yesterday, put in two items, got 4 requests already. Much easier than writing/processing emails. -- Philippe Bruhat (BooK) You never know what love is until you lose it. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #38 (Epic))
Re: Books to get rid of
On 11/10/2009 02:15 PM, A Smith wrote: Charity shops must be losing out big with the change to downloaded music and coming growth of pdf books. Don't worry, I have enough books and CDs to keep charity shops in business for years! Dave...
Re: Books to get rid of
Charity shops must be losing out big with the change to downloaded music and coming growth of pdf books. -- Andrew 2009/11/10 Philippe Bruhat (BooK) philippe.bru...@free.fr On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:49:20PM +, Denny wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 22:31 +0100, Richard Foley wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:44:15 Peter Corlett wrote: Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible. Sounds like another great idea turned into a YAWOT (Yet Another Waste Of Time) because it's grown, or was built, too complicated. Mostly it just suffers from using Yahoo groups as the back-end, and then trying to wrapper those in a failed attempt to make them friendlier or something. Once you've managed to sign up to your local group, casual giving is easy - post one message saying what you've got to give away, pick a winner from the emails that are sent to you in reply, and then post a second email saying that you've chosen someone and the stuff is gone now. Web site doing freecycle-like style donation in France: http://www.donnons.org/. Subscribed yesterday, put in two items, got 4 requests already. Much easier than writing/processing emails. -- Philippe Bruhat (BooK) You never know what love is until you lose it. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #38 (Epic)) -- Your special friend Love Andrew x
Re: Books to get rid of
Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: Don't worry, I have enough books and CDs to keep charity shops in business for years! Perl Cookbook Version 1. I can almost hear the russle of large notes ;-) Chris _ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/
Re: Books to get rid of
On 11/10/2009 03:58 PM, Chris Jack wrote: Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk wrote: Don't worry, I have enough books and CDs to keep charity shops in business for years! Perl Cookbook Version 1. I can almost hear the russle of large notes ;-) Actually, I _do_ have at least one spare copy of that if anyone wants to make an offer :) Dave...
Re: Books to get rid of
On Sun, Nov 08, 2009 at 09:49:20PM +, Denny wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 22:31 +0100, Richard Foley wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:44:15 Peter Corlett wrote: Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible. Sounds like another great idea turned into a YAWOT (Yet Another Waste Of Time) because it's grown, or was built, too complicated. Mostly it just suffers from using Yahoo groups as the back-end Yahoo Groups is pretty good for a mailing list. Obviously not as good as Mailman or Majordomo, but for people who don't know how to run them, it's a very good alternative, but ... and then trying to wrapper those in a failed attempt to make them friendlier or something. Oh dear. Take something that works well and try to fix it. Oops. -- header FROM_DAVID_CANTRELLFrom =~ /david.cantrell/i describe FROM_DAVID_CANTRELLMessage is from David Cantrell scoreFROM_DAVID_CANTRELL15.72 # This figure from experimentation
Books to get rid of
I have two archive boxes of books to get rid of: http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/ Some techie/web ones and quite a few skeptic/brain ones. I'd like money for some, but many I'll let go for nowt. Or take to a charidee shop. Depends on what Delicious library says. Anyone? -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
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If your giving stuff away have you come across: http://www.uk.freecycle.org/ ? Leo 2009/11/8 Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com I have two archive boxes of books to get rid of: http://homepage.mac.com/davehodg/deliciouslibrary/ Some techie/web ones and quite a few skeptic/brain ones. I'd like money for some, but many I'll let go for nowt. Or take to a charidee shop. Depends on what Delicious library says. Anyone? -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: Books to get rid of
On 8 Nov 2009, at 18:29, Leo Lapworth wrote: If your giving stuff away have you come across: http://www.uk.freecycle.org/ ? Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible.
Re: Books to get rid of
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Peter Corlett ab...@cabal.org.uk wrote: On 8 Nov 2009, at 18:29, Leo Lapworth wrote: If your giving stuff away have you come across: http://www.uk.freecycle.org/ ? Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible. ebay is the new* freecycle. Paul * new as in a few moments after you try to use freecycle a couple of times and realize the sheer number of timewasters that lurk within. That said, ebay's fallen somewhat more prey to that also with sellers not being able to ding buyers
Re: Books to get rid of
Sounds like another great idea turned into a YAWOT (Yet Another Waste Of Time) because it's grown, or was built, too complicated. Whatever happened to the good old KISS principle, too old maybe? -- Richard Foley Ciao - shorter than aufwiedersehen http://www.rfi.net/ On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:44:15 Peter Corlett wrote: On 8 Nov 2009, at 18:29, Leo Lapworth wrote: If your giving stuff away have you come across: http://www.uk.freecycle.org/ ? Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible.
Re: Books to get rid of
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 22:31 +0100, Richard Foley wrote: On Sunday 08 November 2009 19:44:15 Peter Corlett wrote: Giving stuff away on Freecycle is way too much work. It's almost as if the people who run it have engineered it to discourage the occasional giver as much as possible. Sounds like another great idea turned into a YAWOT (Yet Another Waste Of Time) because it's grown, or was built, too complicated. Mostly it just suffers from using Yahoo groups as the back-end, and then trying to wrapper those in a failed attempt to make them friendlier or something. Once you've managed to sign up to your local group, casual giving is easy - post one message saying what you've got to give away, pick a winner from the emails that are sent to you in reply, and then post a second email saying that you've chosen someone and the stuff is gone now. By the way, Freecycle is run by some guys in the states who have managed to piss off the UK volunteers so much that most of the UK groups broke away last month and formed their own organisation, called Freegle: http://www.freegle.org.uk/ Sadly still based on Yahoo groups :) Regards, Denny signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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OK. So nowhere did I even mention freecycle. Stop it. Books people want: a tad of moolah for contractual pospoises. Books people don't want: cherry D. Easy, right? -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://www.davehodgkinson.com/blog Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 28 Aug 2009, at 00:48, Paul Makepeace wrote: The Kindle is one amazing piece of kit; I for one can't wait for it to appear here. And yeah, I don't give a flying f- about Amazon tracking my reading habits or accidentally deleting titles. How about limits on the number of times you can download books? Rebuying books you've paid for hardly seems fair. Not to mention they don't actually tell you what the download limit is in advance. http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/19/kindles-drm-rears-its-ugly-head-and-it-is-ugly/ That said, someone hacked the kindle so you could put non-amazon books on it. It involves DRMing regular ebooks. http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html --James
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:03:32AM +0100, James Laver wrote: That said, someone hacked the kindle so you could put non-amazon books on it. It involves DRMing regular ebooks. http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html Jesse hacked his kindle and got all sorts of things running on it: http://blog.fsck.com/2009/07/new-kindle-features.html (Maybe unfair not saying what in this message, but it would spoil the surprise of the video of the kindle in action) Nicholas Clark
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 28 Aug 2009, at 08:33, Billy Abbott wrote: I'm worried that I seem to be turning into a Sony evangelist, but I'd definitely give their Readers a look. I had a play with a Kindle 1 and it was a nasty thing in comparison to the PRS-505 - plasticky and overengineered. The new Kindles are meant to be much nicer, but we don't have them over here yet :) Waterstones have a Reader in most of their stores if you want to have a play. I played with one and found it to be exactly like you describe the kindle. Not to mention that the interface is very un-booklike and I think it would become frustrating very quickly and I'd want my dead trees back. --James
Re: Cheap perl e-books
Paul Makepeace wrote The Kindle is one amazing piece of kit; I for one can't wait for it to appear here. And yeah, I don't give a flying f- about Amazon tracking my reading habits or accidentally deleting titles. I'm worried that I seem to be turning into a Sony evangelist, but I'd definitely give their Readers a look. I had a play with a Kindle 1 and it was a nasty thing in comparison to the PRS-505 - plasticky and overengineered. The new Kindles are meant to be much nicer, but we don't have them over here yet :) Waterstones have a Reader in most of their stores if you want to have a play. --billy (not a Sony employee) -- http://billyabbott.co.uk
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 27/08/2009, at 11:29 PM, Dirk Koopman wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)philippe.bru...@free.fr wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Then again, I generally swear off paper books for a while whenever I've just moved house and my arms are six inches longer from all the weight. But you also swear them off before the move, because when looking for a new house you had to take into account the length of walls without a window, a door or a heater, that are needed to accomodate your shelves (and also the ones you'll add later on). For exactly these reasons and so many others: ebooks ftw. I'd be delighted if/when they become the norm and thanks for O'Reilly for doing this. Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... But not ebooks are not easily random accessible, nor speed (as in flip) read nor available with convenient figure holes so that one can cross refer between different sections of the book, more or less at once. About 25% of what I do for a living is read stuff, so I'm a pro. And about 25% of what I have to read I have to do in sufficient detail that I have to either obtain a hard copy or print it out (in booklet mode of course). Skim.app on OS X is close to a nice screen reader (especially the split pdf function), but paper wins a lot of the time unfortunately. The first outfit with a good quality ereader that I can afford that supports both .pdf and .txt (platform independent line endings of course) and supports easy cross referencing has my money.
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:43, David Cantrell wrote: As an Experiment, Learning Perl and Mastering Perl are now USD9.99 in various electronickal formats. http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/39524 No, I don't remember what the user group discount code is. The downside of ebooks is that they're a bit hard to read on the throne, and generally come in awkward formats, just to make them even less useful. Is there an ebook reader out yet that doesn't suck? Then again, I generally swear off paper books for a while whenever I've just moved house and my arms are six inches longer from all the weight. For nearly a fortnight until something shiny shows up cheap on Amazon... Incidentally, you may have noticed that I've stopped wibbling about books being available for review. That's because less than 5% of review copies that I distributed actually got reviewed, and that's just unfair on the publishers. I, er, will get round to reviewing Mastering Algorithms with Perl at some point. I've only had it nine years... (Executive summary review: it has good coverage of a wide variety of general-purpose algorithms, but it appears to be pretty much the C algorithms book with the code examples translated into questionable Perl.) However, I reviewed one I paid for, so it hopefully cancels out. Perhaps you should institute a policy that if a book isn't reviewed within a month, it should be handed back for somebody else to have a crack at it?
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Then again, I generally swear off paper books for a while whenever I've just moved house and my arms are six inches longer from all the weight. But you also swear them off before the move, because when looking for a new house you had to take into account the length of walls without a window, a door or a heater, that are needed to accomodate your shelves (and also the ones you'll add later on). -- Philippe Bruhat (BooK) You can always buy another house but you cannot put a price on a home. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #63 (Epic))
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)philippe.bru...@free.fr wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Then again, I generally swear off paper books for a while whenever I've just moved house and my arms are six inches longer from all the weight. But you also swear them off before the move, because when looking for a new house you had to take into account the length of walls without a window, a door or a heater, that are needed to accomodate your shelves (and also the ones you'll add later on). For exactly these reasons and so many others: ebooks ftw. I'd be delighted if/when they become the norm and thanks for O'Reilly for doing this. Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable...
Re: Cheap perl e-books
Paul Makepeace wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Philippe Bruhat (BooK)philippe.bru...@free.fr wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Then again, I generally swear off paper books for a while whenever I've just moved house and my arms are six inches longer from all the weight. But you also swear them off before the move, because when looking for a new house you had to take into account the length of walls without a window, a door or a heater, that are needed to accomodate your shelves (and also the ones you'll add later on). For exactly these reasons and so many others: ebooks ftw. I'd be delighted if/when they become the norm and thanks for O'Reilly for doing this. Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... But not ebooks are not easily random accessible, nor speed (as in flip) read nor available with convenient figure holes so that one can cross refer between different sections of the book, more or less at once.
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:21:24PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: Perhaps you should institute a policy that if a book isn't reviewed within a month, it should be handed back for somebody else to have a crack at it? That relies on people bothering to bring books back to the next social. -- David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david You may now start misinterpreting what I just wrote, and attacking that misinterpretation.
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:58:23PM +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: For exactly these reasons and so many others: ebooks ftw. I'd be delighted if/when they become the norm and thanks for O'Reilly for doing this. Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... E-books have their advantages and disadvantages, and so work better in some situations than others. E-books FTW on the journey to/from work. E-books FTW as searchable references (but only if you can search them using standard tools). E-books FTlose on long journeys cos I don't have enough battery on my phone. E-books FTlose if they include diagrams or tables. E-books FTlose for giving as presents. -- David Cantrell | Bourgeois reactionary pig Anyone willing to give up a little fun for tolerance deserves neither
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Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... Maybe this is a desirable feature for technical books. But for novels, or coffeetable type books, and other less work related volumes you're losing a lot of the joy of reading. Paper books will be around for a long time yet. /R
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On 28/08/2009, at 12:05 AM, Robert Shiels wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... Maybe this is a desirable feature for technical books. But for novels, or coffeetable type books, and other less work related volumes you're losing a lot of the joy of reading. Paper books will be around for a long time yet. On 28/08/2009, at 12:05 AM, Robert Shiels wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... Maybe this is a desirable feature for technical books. But for novels, or coffeetable type books, and other less work related volumes you're losing a lot of the joy of reading. Paper books will be around for a long time yet. Hmm, I read the final harry potter book [1] on my rather small screened symbian mobile, and it didn't really detract from the enjoyment of reading. On the other hand, I frequently need to print out the nasty technical stuff I read for work because otherwise I can't grok it properly. [1] Yes, the crowd sourced transcript. And yes I did buy a second hand copy of the same book later on.[2] [2] And being the author of a non-free book, I do feel rather conflicted about seeing my work for free download on the 'net, but I'm confident in the honesty of people who are a. less skint than me, and b. don't have the same long-term access to a university library that I have got.
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:17:10AM +1000, Kieren Diment wrote: [2] And being the author of a non-free book, I do feel rather conflicted about seeing my work for free download on the 'net, but I'm confident in the honesty of people who are a. less skint than me, and b. don't have the same long-term access to a university library that I have got. c. really need/want to read the book, and don't just pile it as yet another file in their collection of ebooks that might be useful someday -- %%% Philippe Bruhat (BooK) A substitute is never as good as the genuine article. (Moral from Groo The Wanderer #67 (Epic))
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Peter Corlett wrote: On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:43, David Cantrell wrote: The downside of ebooks is that they're a bit hard to read on the throne, and generally come in awkward formats, just to make them even less useful. Is there an ebook reader out yet that doesn't suck? I swear by my Sony PRS-505. You have to ignore the Sony client software, get used to the 'flash' it does at it refreshes, have occasional issues with PDFs and pay silly amounts to get commercial books on there without being naughty, but I rather like it. There's also a bunch of hacked up firmwares to play with. They're also just about to release another couple of models - the prs-600 (Reader Touch - it has a touch screen, does annotations, searching, etc) and the prs-300 (Reader Pocket - it's small). They've got (allegedly, I've not seen them yet) better e-ink tech than the 505, as well as official support for Macs (rather than just using Calibre (http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/), as I've been for the last almost year). They're not perfect (or cheap), but with the e-paper tech moving on they're getting closer to mass market items. If only the publishers knew how to market and price ebooks... And no, paper books aren't going anywhere. However, ebooks and papery books can happily coexist (the number one thing people seem to assume is that I never touch paper any more for idealogical reasons. No). --billy (who just moved house and is thankful he saved about one box of books by having the Reader) -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Robert Shiels rob...@se71.org wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote: Paul, can read ebooks way faster than paper ones searchable... Maybe this is a desirable feature for technical books. But for novels, or coffeetable type books, and other less work related volumes you're losing a lot of the joy of reading. Paper books will be around for a long time yet. Oh, I don't for a moment suggest paper books are about to suffer any imminent demise. (Anyone who likes the likes of Taschen would see thru' such nonsense immediately.) The Kindle is one amazing piece of kit; I for one can't wait for it to appear here. And yeah, I don't give a flying f- about Amazon tracking my reading habits or accidentally deleting titles. FWIW, I find _more_ joy in reading something I can do with one hand; that provides a consistent, flat interface to my eyes; that will open exactly where I left it; that will do that for the seventeen books I'm currently reading; that will download the latest news; that will allow me to read pretty much any piece of mainstream literature on Earth; and finally and most importantly that will allow me to read it a hell of a lot faster than paper. Paul
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 28/08/2009, at 9:48 AM, Paul Makepeace wrote: most importantly that will allow me to read it a hell of a lot faster than paper. How does a decent ereader make reading speed quicker?
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Kieren Dimentdim...@gmail.com wrote: On 28/08/2009, at 9:48 AM, Paul Makepeace wrote: most importantly that will allow me to read it a hell of a lot faster than paper. How does a decent ereader make reading speed quicker? I don't know but it does, for me. I can practically inhale PDFs on screen too. My first bit of OS X/Cocoa coding (in 2000!) I read two or three Apple PDFs in a couple of days and later realised I'd caned about 500 pages of technical material, something i would never, ever be able to do with paper based. I basically don't buy books any more if there's an ebook option. P
Re: Cheap perl e-books
Don't let Randal Swartz hear you've got illegal downloaded pdf's. I gave someone a URL for a site with references to available pdf's on the web on the beginners perl mailing list, and was shot down with a barage of RPG's on Good Friday this year. He sees them, even if you only look before buying the book as totally wrong and a criminal offence. -- Andrew Brian Wisti wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.ukwrote: As an Experiment, Learning Perl and Mastering Perl are now USD9.99 in various electronickal formats. http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/39524 No, I don't remember what the user group discount code is. Incidentally, you may have noticed that I've stopped wibbling about books being available for review. That's because less than 5% of review copies that I distributed actually got reviewed, and that's just unfair on the publishers. Naturally this happens a couple weeks after I decide to legitimize my PDF library and buy those books at the (old) regular price. Oh well. Kind Regards, Brian Wisti http://coolnamehere.com -- Andrew ** Andrew Smith BSc(Hons), MBA Founder Director Value Technology Research Limited VTRL 14 Inverleith Place Edinburgh SCOTLAND EH3 5PZ T: 0131-5527543 or 0131-5529983(home) M: 07807321039 F: 0131-5512702 E: asm...@vtrl.co.uk **
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:05:49AM +0100, Andrew Smith wrote: Don't assume that anyone in particular isn't subscribed to this list already. Last I knew there were about 600 subscribers, in zones 1 to Inf. (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) Nicholas Clark
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Clarkn...@ccl4.org wrote: (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) No longer? I'm sure there's a story here. My current client has 'Antarctica' as a special-cased country for people who don't want to participate in educational thingymajigs. --James
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On 26 Aug 2009, at 09:39, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:05:49AM +0100, Andrew Smith wrote: Don't assume that anyone in particular isn't subscribed to this list already. Last I knew there were about 600 subscribers, in zones 1 to Inf. (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) The British Antarctic Survey is based in Cambridge, so they might be on the cam.pm list. Chris
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:46:24AM +0100, James Laver wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nicholas Clarkn...@ccl4.org wrote: (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) No longer? I'm sure there's a story here. Alex Gough was in Antarctica. The only Perl mention I can find in his blog is http://the.earth.li/~alex/halley/2007_10_14.html He wrote the implementation of UNITCHECK in 5.10, and I believe that he was in Antarctica at the time. My current client has 'Antarctica' as a special-cased country for people who don't want to participate in educational thingymajigs. This might be an unwise choice. Nicholas Clark
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I think you will find there are a few of us on the list with Antarctic experience, although that might have come before we saw the light and discovered Perl ;+) norm -- -- Norman Cobley PhD. Protein Databank in Europe (PDBe) EMBL Outstation - Hinxton European Bioinformatics Institute Wellcome Trust Genome Campus, Hinxton Hall, Cambridge CB10 1SD, UK T: (+44/0)1223 492512 F: (+44/0)1223 494487 E: ncob...@ebi.ac.uk --
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On Wednesday 26 August 2009 01:05:49 Andrew Smith wrote: [...]illegal downloaded pdf's[...] He sees them, even if you only look before buying the book as totally wrong and a criminal offence. s/He/Copyright law in most countries/ T,FTFY. HTH, HAND. Jonathan
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Jonathan McKeownjonat...@scatterlings.org wrote: On Wednesday 26 August 2009 01:05:49 Andrew Smith wrote: [...]illegal downloaded pdf's[...] He sees them, even if you only look before buying the book as totally wrong and a criminal offence. s/He/Copyright law in most countries/ T,FTFY. HTH, HAND. To take pedantry to whole new levels, I'm not sure copyright prevents someone *looking* at it, say if you looked over the shoulder of someone who had it on their screen. Copyright gives the author exclusive rights to distribute it. The actual act of downloading - does that constitute copying? Is the downloader or the site owner responsible for the copy? It's interesting that a certain well-known .ua site continues to distribute O'Reilly texts and I haven't read anything about O'Reilly doing anything to stop it. Paul Jonathan
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 09:39:20AM +0100, Nicholas Clark said: Don't assume that anyone in particular isn't subscribed to this list already. Last I knew there were about 600 subscribers, in zones 1 to Inf. (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) 851 on the regular list and 160 on announce only
Re: Cheap perl e-books
2009/8/26 Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:05:49AM +0100, Andrew Smith wrote: Don't assume that anyone in particular isn't subscribed to this list already. Last I knew there were about 600 subscribers, in zones 1 to Inf. (Although probably no longer anyone Antarctica) If you want I can increase the country count by moving to the work address, and thus appear to come from [1] a place with more domains than people... Dominic [1] for a given value of appear -- Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. -- Abraham Lincoln
Cheap perl e-books
As an Experiment, Learning Perl and Mastering Perl are now USD9.99 in various electronickal formats. http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/39524 No, I don't remember what the user group discount code is. Incidentally, you may have noticed that I've stopped wibbling about books being available for review. That's because less than 5% of review copies that I distributed actually got reviewed, and that's just unfair on the publishers. -- David Cantrell | semi-evolved ape-thing Vegetarian: n: a person who, due to malnutrition caused by poor lifestyle choices, is eight times more likely to catch TB than a normal person
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 04:43:44PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Incidentally, you may have noticed that I've stopped wibbling about books being available for review. That's because less than 5% of review copies that I distributed actually got reviewed, and that's just unfair on the publishers. I admit to being on the naughty list. I still owe MJD a proper review for Higher Order Perl. For now, there is only the executive edition meta-review: Don't just buy this book; read it. Nicholas Clark
Re: Cheap perl e-books
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:43 AM, David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.ukwrote: As an Experiment, Learning Perl and Mastering Perl are now USD9.99 in various electronickal formats. http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/39524 No, I don't remember what the user group discount code is. Incidentally, you may have noticed that I've stopped wibbling about books being available for review. That's because less than 5% of review copies that I distributed actually got reviewed, and that's just unfair on the publishers. Naturally this happens a couple weeks after I decide to legitimize my PDF library and buy those books at the (old) regular price. Oh well. Kind Regards, Brian Wisti http://coolnamehere.com
Books
Simon Wistow If you still have: Think Pascal [0] User ManualThink Pascal Object Orientated Programming Manual send me a message. Thank you.
books 7015b70ef5c6b8d88f27ffd6d063425e
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 04:23:24PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Simon Wistow wrote: His 5th step is If any two members of the root set have the same subject, merge them. This is so that messages which don't have References headers at all still get threaded (to the extent possible, at least.) I actually got bit by this last month, as Mr Cantrell had started more than one thread with the subject books and pine's very immature threading couldn't cope. My apologies for lack of imagination. In future I shall take an md5 hash of the message body and append that to the subject. Like this. Hello spam filters. -- David Cantrell | Sysadmin/programmer for hire | [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hear you asking yourselves why?. Hurd will be out in a year ... -- Linus Torvalds, in [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books 7015b70ef5c6b8d88f27ffd6d063425e
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, David Cantrell wrote: My apologies for lack of imagination. In future I shall take an md5 hash of the message body and append that to the subject. Like this. Hello spam filters. Keep trying: Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:04:29 + From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.1 required=5.0 tests=KNOWN_MAILING_LIST,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, SIGNATURE_SHORT_SPARSE,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_MUTT,X_AUTH_WARNING version=2.44 X-Spam-Level: Subject: books 7015b70ef5c6b8d88f27ffd6d063425e You don't heven have a positive value there :) -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: newbie cgi/db books
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Peter Pimley wrote:
Can anyone recommend any good books on this sort of thing?
Hey, might as well continue to plug the resources that are available.
The perl book guide (which claims not to be officially open - oh well) is
here:
http://books.perl.org/
http://books.perl.org/category/4 # databases
http://books.perl.org/category/1 # the web
Mark.
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books
The following are avaialbe now or over the next month or so if anyone who's not on the naughty list fancies taking a stab at reviewing them. All from O'Reilly, and I've cut out a few I didn't think were particularly relevant: C Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cpr/ Essential System Administration Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/esapr/ Java Swing 2e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/jswing2/ PHP Cookbook http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/phpckbk/ C# Language Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/csharplangpr/ 802.11 Security http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/80211security/ Apache 3e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apache3/ Java Enterprise Best Practices http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/javaebp/ Managing RAID on Linux http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mraidlinux/ Objective-C Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/objectcpr/ Oracle in a Nutshell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracleian/ Perl Graphics Programming http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlgp/ Practical C++ Programming 2e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/cplus2/ Programming Web Services with Perl http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pwebserperl/ Running Linux 4e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runux4/ sendmail 3e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/ Understanding the Linux Kernel 2e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel2/ XSLT Cookbook http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/xsltckbk/ -- David Cantrell | Benevolent Dictator | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david All praise the Sun God For He is a Fun God Ra Ra Ra!
Re: books
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:03:14PM +, David Cantrell wrote: XSLT Cookbook The XSLT Cookbook provides an ideal companion... for developers still figuring out XSLT's template-based approach who want to learn by example Bagsy. -- rare aliment
Re: books
David Cantrell wrote:
The following are avaialbe now or over the next month or so if anyone who's
not on the naughty list fancies taking a stab at reviewing them. All from
O'Reilly, and I've cut out a few I didn't think were particularly relevant:
snip
802.11 Security
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/80211security/
Apache 3e
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apache3/
Managing RAID on Linux
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mraidlinux/
Oracle in a Nutshell
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracleian/
Perl Graphics Programming
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlgp/
Programming Web Services with Perl
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pwebserperl/
Understanding the Linux Kernel 2e
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxkernel2/
XSLT Cookbook
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/xsltckbk/
Yep. Interested in any of the above.
Ian
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Re: books
On Fri, Nov 29, 2002 at 03:03:14PM +, David Cantrell wrote: The following are avaialbe now or over the next month or so if anyone who's not on the naughty list fancies taking a stab at reviewing them. All from O'Reilly, and I've cut out a few I didn't think were particularly relevant: Oracle in a Nutshell http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/oracleian/ Zang! Yes please. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books
David Cantrell said: The following are avaialbe now or over the next month or so if anyone who's not on the naughty list fancies taking a stab at reviewing them. All from O'Reilly, and I've cut out a few I didn't think were particularly relevant: sendmail 3e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/sendmail3/ I'd be interested in this. Jody
Re: books
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, David Cantrell wrote: The following are avaialbe now or over the next month or so if anyone who's not on the naughty list fancies taking a stab at reviewing them. Aye, sir. Apache 3e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apache3/ Perl Graphics Programming http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlgp/ Programming Web Services with Perl http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pwebserperl/ Essential System Administration Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/esapr/ Running Linux 4e http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/runux4/ Objective-C Pocket Reference http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/objectcpr/ 802.11 Security http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/80211security/ Managing RAID on Linux http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mraidlinux/ Any of the above still available (sorted by preference)? -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: books
On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 15:03, David Cantrell wrote: 802.11 Security http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/80211security/ Programming Web Services with Perl http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pwebserperl/ Either or both of these and I promise to be far less lame this time. -- Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
More books for review
Here are some more review books that I have received. As always I suggest that London.pm reviewers who review a book from me for http://news.DiverseBooks.com also submit the review for the London.pm.org website. Alex Oh Frabjous Day, O'Reilly have come through for us with books on three of the hottest topics requested by our reviewers: XSL-FO is one of my favourite XML topics. It is the means by which you can turn XML articles into pretty PDF's or other printed formats. Dave Pawson Perl for Oracle DBAs. It is orange, it is O'Reilly. Will it tell us what we need to know? Of all the Apache java tools for developing websites Jakarta Struts is perhaps the most popular. Programming Jakarta Struts is by Chuck Cavaness and O'Reilly. We have received a copy of Domain Names - A Practical Guide, which has been written by three UK lawyers. This is heavyweight going but quite important information for anyone responsible for a large website. Title: Domain Names Subtitle: A Practical Guide Publisher: Butterworth Tolley's Publisher URL: http://www.butterworths.com Publication Date: Nov 2002 ISBN: 0754514919 Format: paperback Topic: non-fiction Topic: internet http://news.DiverseBooks.com/metadata/ Reviews from the book world Published by Openweb Analysts Ltd in London. http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
Re: More books for review
On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Alex McLintock wrote: We have received a copy of Domain Names - A Practical Guide, which has been written by three UK lawyers. This is heavyweight going but quite important I'll have a look at that, as long as no one cares that my sister works for butterworths. Can't see that having much of an impact on my critique though. the hatter
DiverseBooks books received for review
Posting in my guise as DiverseBooks.com editor. I have receivd a couple of books aimed at Red Hat Linux users. One is the Red Hat Linux 8 for Dummies and the other is the official Red Hat Users Guide from Redhat Press itself. DiverseBooks Reviewers give me a shout. I still have a book on Blogging (who was I sending that too?), Java Security Solutions, PHP4 Databases, Sybex book about Cocoon. I hope to make it to the perl technical meeting. Alex McLintock Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
books
Given the recent discussions, would anyone like to review Embedding Perl in HTML with Mason who isn't on the Naughty List? -- David Cantrell|Degenerate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david For every vengeance, there is an equal and opposite revengeance. -- Cartoon Law X
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:01:54PM +0200, Paul Johnson wrote: Simon Wistow said: Where would we be if we'd not bothered writing some Matt's Scripts replacments on the assumption that nobody would pick them up. Or written an extensible MLM in Perl on the assumption that despite having whinged about it for ages nobody would actually care. Oooh, did I miss something? Has someone (plural?) written (present tense?) a new MLM. Yes indeedy. Plural, present (and mostly past), and new: http://siesta.sourceforge.net/ I announced in the week before YAPC::Europe here, so maybe people just didn't pick up on it. It needs a few things pulling together for its first release, but it's all self hosting and stuff. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: More books
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:24:09AM +0100, David Cantrell said: Who wants to review Graphics Programming with Perl? Me! I tech reviewed this book so I'd be interested to see if they solved some of the problems.
Re: More books
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:27:57PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:24:09AM +0100, David Cantrell said: Who wants to review Graphics Programming with Perl? Me! I tech reviewed this book so I'd be interested to see if they solved some of the problems. Bah! You beat me to it. Ben
Re: More books
On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 12:27:57PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:24:09AM +0100, David Cantrell said: Who wants to review Graphics Programming with Perl? Me! I tech reviewed this book so I'd be interested to see if they solved some of the problems. I've already got you down for IA2. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Liver with fava beans and a nice chianti is less appealing if the donor has cirrhosis -- after Coyu, in soc.history.what-if
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:58:41PM +0100, Lusercop wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:49:27PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: * Must be a poster to the list * Or a regular on IRC * Or a regular at the pub and/or technical meets. OK, how do you judge any of these? Matthew, let me introduce you to this thing I found called common sense. Please don't be using common sense it will spoil all the best arguments on the list and on IRC. If you use this common sense thing, the next thing you know, people will be saying things like yes, you prefer foo and i prefer bar, thats like a difference of opinion and we can live with that and not rant at each other for 3 hours on IRC. Never again will we have the pointless arguments that have defined #london.pm for the last 2 years, people will just agree that fox hunting is stupid barbarism as opposed to adopting stances on the argument based on their stances in the fastseduction argument a few minutes previously. It will be a terrible future, full of progress and a severe lack of dancing monkeys arguing about buckets. ;-) Greg p.s. I apologise for all posts over the next few days, as I shall be OD'ing on cough medicine. -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.org.uk/~gem/ jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:49:27PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: * Must be a poster to the list * Or a regular on IRC * Or a regular at the pub and/or technical meets. OK, how do you judge any of these? How often does one have to post in order to be a poster on the list. How much time spent whiling away one's life on IRC (OK, so I do it a bit too), and in particular, whiling away one's life on #london.pm. Spanner in the works? I doubt it. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:58:41PM +0100, Lusercop wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:49:27PM +0100, Simon Wilcox wrote: * Must be a poster to the list * Or a regular on IRC * Or a regular at the pub and/or technical meets. OK, how do you judge any of these? How often does one have to post in order to be a poster on the list. How much time spent whiling away one's life on IRC (OK, so I do it a bit too), and in particular, whiling away one's life on #london.pm. The simpler version is to substitute leadership for rules: Somebody whom most people on the mailing list know about, and the leader decides in case of dispute. Roger
RE: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Friday, October 11, 2002 4:17 PM, Simon Wistow [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 04:02:21PM +0100, Ivor Williams said: Maybe introduce some kind of XP style voting system, like on Perlmonks or Everything2. Alternatively we could just do it and then, if anybody complains, deal with it then rather than our current modus operandi of burning our bridges before we come to them (I know that doesn't actually make sense but I just liked the imagery) [snip] Carpe the tuits! If you script it THEY WILL COME! They drew first blood! I'll be back! Friends, Romans, Perl Mongers! etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseam. Having said that I'm currently in no position to write the code to back my polemic up so I should probably shut up. Perhaps we don't need to write code. It may just be a case of downloading and installing the Everything Engine. Anybody got a machine on which to host it?
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 04:16:56PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: Of course sometimes I think exactly the opposite but if yer optomistic then you get a lot more done. Hear hear. Just post to webmaster and then have them check it in. Webmaster might like to provide a template (in the general sense) to fill in or have as an overall guide, and to help them integrate it into the site. If someone then objects to the content, have them review it. Simple. No need for scripts and endless chatter. Just fscking do it. Paul -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ What is a lollipop with out the good ship? It is silence, silence, silence. -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/
Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On 11/10/02 10:16 +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Which made me thing - is there a section on books we wrote on the london.pm site to give blatant free advertising plugs? [No] Would it be a good idea? Not sure. Because then we'd have everyone (even Matt Wright?) subscribing to london.pm just to get their link. And not all books are equal. I don't think we'd want to end up with the same page promoting Data munging with perl, Object oriented perl, Learning perl and some masterpiece by someone allergic to use strict; It could be a long, dark, slippery slope, but I think that it's possible to distinguish between involved perl mongers such as Dave, and freebie-seeking hangers on, who don't even come to a meeting. There *is* a problem of perceived cliquishness, of course, but... I dunno. It would be a nice section of the site to have, and avoiding doing it because we'll be obliged to include every screed turned out by every mailing list member seems... like a very odd version of political correctness. Mileages may vary.
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
- Original Message - From: Simon Batistoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] It could be a long, dark, slippery slope, but I think that it's possible to distinguish between involved perl mongers such as Dave, and freebie-seeking hangers on, who don't even come to a meeting. There *is* a problem of perceived cliquishness, of course, but... I dunno. I haven't been to an official meeting in the best part of twelve months and i had to miss YAPC. Does that make me a freebie-seeking hanger on? If it does and the criteria for getting something on the site is going to the pub then fine but if it doesn't then you have to have a solid set of rules and they have to be the same for everyone, if we start 'he's my friend so he can go on the site' then we are going to look like elitests. I dislike the idea of having a two tier membership. It would be a nice section of the site to have If you are going to do personal bios on the site put it in there if you consider it something you want mentioned, having a seperate section just seems out of place. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On 11/10/02 12:53 +0100, Dean Wilson wrote: I haven't been to an official meeting in the best part of twelve months and i had to miss YAPC. Does that make me a freebie-seeking hanger on? If it does and the criteria for getting something on the site is going to the pub then fine but if it doesn't then you have to have a solid set of rules and they have to be the same for everyone, if we start 'he's my friend so he can go on the site' then we are going to look like elitests. I dislike the idea of having a two tier membership. I feel exactly the same (although I do manage to make it to the pub because it always seems to be 2 streets from my office), and I was trying to juggle that feeling with the feeling that it would be nice to have such a feature on the site. It appears I may have dropped my balls. *cough* If you are going to do personal bios on the site put it in there if you consider it something you want mentioned, having a seperate section just seems out of place. I think personal bios still have a problem, in that there has to be some criteria for bio-worthiness, which doesn't wind up looking elitist. I have a sinking feeling that the two things are incompatible, and that nice idea as it is, it really wouldn't work in practice.
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Simon Batistoni wrote: I think personal bios still have a problem, in that there has to be some criteria for bio-worthiness, which doesn't wind up looking elitist. I have a sinking feeling that the two things are incompatible, and that nice idea as it is, it really wouldn't work in practice. I don't see how it could work for bios, but for books, what's to stop us letting people add short reviews/opinions under it. If you question the sexual orientation of strict, for example, would you be in a hurry to get your book on the list, when (a) most of the people reading the site will disagree, and will be able to air their views and (b) google reads the site quite regularly, so someone looking for details about your book will bring up lots of peoples sound arguments for why it's not worth the paper it's printed on. the hatter
Re: Books on london.pm.org (was Re: applying patterns)
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 02:09:37PM +0100, Simon Batistoni wrote: On 11/10/02 12:53 +0100, Dean Wilson wrote: I haven't been to an official meeting in the best part of twelve months and i had to miss YAPC. Does that make me a freebie-seeking hanger on? If it does and the criteria for getting something on the site is going to the pub then fine but if it doesn't then you have to have a solid set of rules and they have to be the same for everyone, if we start 'he's my friend so he can go on the site' then we are going to look like elitests. I dislike the idea of having a two tier membership. I feel exactly the same (although I do manage to make it to the pub because it always seems to be 2 streets from my office), and I was trying to juggle that feeling with the feeling that it would be nice to have such a feature on the site. It appears I may have dropped my balls. *cough* I guess the simpler thing is only to link from members (if we did it) o the reviews of any book (which we would have to have before we'd accept making a link) Then if we don't like a book, we can slag it off in the review. That makes the links to members' books page objective, and decouples it from the subjective content (whether we believe the book to be good) I think I'm safe in saying we here - if someone does a review that enough other people disagree with, then I would expect someone else to come and write the contradictory review. I think personal bios still have a problem, in that there has to be some criteria for bio-worthiness, which doesn't wind up looking elitist. I have a sinking feeling that the two things are incompatible, and that nice idea as it is, it really wouldn't work in practice. I don't think I can see a way round this, hence I suspect doing bios won't be practical. Nicholas Clark
Re: Books, loverly booooooks
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 07:59:25AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll be bringing a copy of McGraw-Hill's catalogue with me on Thursday ... Have they got anything on Web Services? Building Web Services and .net Applications a: Wall and Lader i: 0-07-213088-1 That's the only one I could see that specifically mentions web services in the title, although I didn't look particularly hard. I'll pass on that one thanks. I want to cram for the new brainbench web services exam and the O'Reilly looks like being the one. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Books left at the pub last night
Someone left a couple of S. M. Stirling books in the pub last night. If they're yours, let me know and we can work out how to get them back to you. I also have a book for rataxis that he told Alex he would turn up and collect for review. Kake -- http://www.earth.li/~kake/cookery/ - vegan recipes, now with new search feature http://grault.net/grubstreet/ - the open-source guide to London http://www.penseroso.com/ - websites for the fine art and antique trade
Re: Books, loverly booooooks
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll be bringing a copy of McGraw-Hill's catalogue with me on Thursday for people to look through and select stuff they might like to review. Please don't take the piss - requests for free copies of Digital Photography will be cheerfully ignored by me. Have they got anything on Web Services? -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Books, loverly booooooks
I'll be bringing a copy of McGraw-Hill's catalogue with me on Thursday for people to look through and select stuff they might like to review. Please don't take the piss - requests for free copies of Digital Photography will be cheerfully ignored by me. But if you do want books we can't justify getting review copies of, we can get a 30% discount if we order ten or more books at a time. -- David Cantrell|Reprobate|http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Perl may be the best solution for processing a text file, but asking a group of Perl Mongers clearly isn't -- aef, in #london.pm
Re: Books
Nicholas Clark wrote: I'd like to review Extending and Embedding Perl by Tim Jenness and Simon Cozens Bumf at http://www.manning.com/jenness/ (and I hope I'm the first person to ask to review it) Go for it. I've nearly finished reading it and will post a review in the next week. The more the merrier. Ian -- s#^#@y^#712s(..)0$1xgos$0s(.)([^01])$1x$2 xges$ad4823s$604df8s$0d7e51d7018b9zs(\D)(.*)(\D)$_= $1..$3,$2xe;1while(s(.)(.*)(.)$..=qq|$1$3|,$2e);s.*$.s(..)$_[ ($*+=hex($1))%@_]egs(.)\1$1$xgs\b(.)\U$1gos$$/goprint This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
[Off Topic] ADD Books]
I was doing some cleearing out yesterday and I came across a pile of old ADD manuals. Now the likelihood of me ever playing ADD again is very small so I'm sure there are people on this list that can give them much better homes. I have: Player's Handbook (1st Edition 1978) Dungeon Master's Guide (1979) Unearthed Arcana (1985) Player's Handbook (2nd Edition 1989) And also a copy of the second edition of the Paranoia book (1987). If you're interested let me know offlist. Dave... -- Drugs are just bad m'kay
Re: [Off Topic] ADD Books]
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was doing some cleearing out yesterday and I came across a pile of old ADD manuals. Now the likelihood of me ever playing ADD again is very small so I'm sure there are people on this list that can give them much better homes. I have: Player's Handbook (1st Edition 1978) Dungeon Master's Guide (1979) If those are first printings then they may be vaguely valuable now. -- Piers It is a truth universally acknowledged that a language in possession of a rich syntax must be in need of a rewrite. -- Jane Austen?
Books?
Anyone got: Oracle Unleashed Java in 21 days Java Cookbook they want to shift?
BOFH books
I'm going to order a copy of the second BOFH book. As with the first one, I'll order a few more copies if people want 'em. They're UKP10 + a little bit for postage, and I'll bring 'em along to the next social meet. Orders by private mail by lunchtime tomorrow please. -- Grand Inquisitor Reverend David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Considering the number of wheels Microsoft has found reason to invent, one never ceases to be baffled by the minuscule number whose shape even vaguely resembles a circle. -- anon, on Usenet
Books for Review
Hi folks, I have a book for review Modern Perl Programming by Michael Saltzman Published by Prentice Hall. It looks like it is aimed to be your second or third perl book (but of course if you are reviewing I hope you have several perl books already :-) The usual applies... the book review will get used on DiverseBooks.com and potentially a paper newsletter, and also on the London.org.pm website as well. I should be at the next London social pub meeting but if you want to get the book off me before then I am based in East London and can probably meet you somewhere or other. Thanks go to Mark 2shortplanks who reviewed a David Gemmel book. (It will go live v soon) Do you want the sequel now? And thanks to Roger Burton West for Linux Companion for System Administrators (second edition): http://news.diversebooks.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/25/1328212 I also have Embedded Linux: Hardware Software and Interfacing, Teach Yourself SVG in 24hours, and Professional Java Servlets 2.3, I spent most of today in a meeting with Open Forum Europe listening to bigwigs talk about Open Source. When I figure out what Charterhouse Rules are and what I can and can't say I'll post a summary. Although perl wasn't specifically mentioned it is probably of interest to most people here. Alex
Fwd: Books for Review
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:16:44 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Alex McLintock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Books for Review Hi folks, I have a book for review Modern Perl Programming by Michael Saltzman Published by Prentice Hall. It looks like it is aimed to be your second or third perl book (but of course if you are reviewing I hope you have several perl books already :-) The usual applies... the book review will get used on DiverseBooks.com and potentially a paper newsletter, and also on the London.org.pm website as well. I should be at the next London social pub meeting but if you want to get the book off me before then I am based in East London and can probably meet you somewhere or other. Thanks go to Mark @2shortplanks who reviewed a David Gemmel book. (It will go live v soon) Do you want the sequel now? And thanks to Roger Burton West for Linux Companion for System Administrators (second edition): http://news.diversebooks.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/25/1328212 I also have Embedded Linux: Hardware Software and Interfacing, Teach Yourself SVG in 24hours, and Professional Java Servlets 2.3, I spent most of today in a meeting with Open Forum Europe listening to bigwigs talk about Open Source. When I figure out what Charterhouse Rules are and what I can and can't say I'll post a summary. Although perl wasn't specifically mentioned it is probably of interest to most people here. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
Re: Books for Review
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Alex McLintock wrote:
The usual applies... the book review will get used on DiverseBooks.com and
potentially a paper newsletter, and also on the London.org.pm website as well.
The what website?
Later.
Mark.
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books going begging (x-posted)
[Watch those replies people] I'm clearing out some old books that appear to have accumulated and/or been inherited by the various houses I've lived in. If no-one wants them I'll chuck them out but I thought I'd offer them to people before hand. first come, first served ... (mail me off list) LPA Prolog Programming Guide LPA Mac Prolog32 Programming Guide LPA Mac Prolog32 Graphics Guide LPA Mac Prolog32 User Guide Think Pascal [0] User Manual Think Pascal Object Orientated Programming Manual Trubo Pascal to Logitech Modula 2 Translator Logitech Modula 2 v3.0 Point Editor Logitech Modula 2 v3.0 Toolkit Grammatik for Mac users guide Dec vt220 Style keyboard Users' Guide Aldus PageMaker - User Manual Aldus PageMaker - Getting Started Aldus PageMaker - Additions Aldus PageMaker - Commercial Printing Guide Microsoft Win32 (preliminary, Oct 1992) - Release Notes Microsoft Win32 (preliminary, Oct 1992) - Programmer's Reference Microsoft Win32 (preliminary, Oct 1992) - API part 1 Microsoft Win32 (preliminary, Oct 1992) - API part 2 Microsoft Win32 (preliminary, Oct 1992) - RPC guide and reference Microsoft Windows SDK - Tools Microsoft Windows SDK - Reference 1 Microsoft Windows SDK - Reference 2 Opus Systems SPARC System and Network Manager's Guide Opus Systems SPARC System Users' Guide -- : i'm satisfied ... yet still strangely outraged.
Re: Books
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Alex McLintock wrote:
PS Someone from Manning asked me about doing technical reviews of books
before publication. They also mentioned that Dave Cross (of London.pm) was
one of their authors. Can anyone write a review of his book? (I don't even
know the title!)
Data Munging With Perl aka the Man trying to protect his nads from the
invisible dog book (http://www.manning.com/cross/)
I thought one of us had written a review of this. I can do one straight
off (I use it all the time) but I don't have time this week. I kinda need
to complete the slides before the tech meet...
What is your opinion of Manning books? Mark said he liked them in his Perl
Black Book review...
See Object Orientated Perl by Damian Conway is excellent, and considered
by many to be the best reference to Perl, OO or not. I've also heard good
things about Elements of Programming Perl, but haven't read it myself.
It's annoying that they supply digital copies of their books as PDF, which
is much harder to deal with that html. (Okay, so you get better layout
controls, but I have the dead tree if I want that.) PDF is just not as
easy to navigate as html.
Later.
Mark.
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Re: Books
On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Mark Fowler wrote: On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Alex McLintock wrote: What is your opinion of Manning books? Mark said he liked them in his Perl Black Book review... See Object Orientated Perl by Damian Conway is excellent, and considered by many to be the best reference to Perl, OO or not. I've also heard good things about Elements of Programming Perl, but haven't read it myself. Someone, somewhere has my copy of OOP. Someone else knows who they are. I think at least one of them should be forced to write a review. Manning generally publish quite good books. Alex Gough
Books for review
http://news.DiverseBooks.com books for review. Addison-Wesley have surpassed themselves. They have recently published the following books and want DiverseBooks.com to review them · The Linux Companion for System Administrators, 2nd ed, Jochen Hein. · Understanding Open Source Software Development, Joseph Feller, and Brian Fitzgerald. · The Free BSD Corporate Network Guide, by Ted Mittelstaedt And in case I haven't mentioned them yet we have · Wrox's recent Professional Java Servlets 2.3 and · Friends of Ed - 4x4 On the theme of Life · XML Pocket Consultant · Wrox Professional J2EE EAI (which I should read) If you write a decent review you get to keep the book and any review submitted by a London.pm person can (and should) be submitted to the London.pm website as well. I have a half written review of Developing Applications with Java and UML so if you can persuade me you know about UML then you can have the book. Don't ask me why there aren't more perl books being written. You surely don't want *just* perl books. Mark Fowler swiftly reviewed Coriolis Perl Black Book. Well done that man. It's going up on DiverseBooks.com very soon. MARK: Can you give me your email address or do I have to hunt through the london.pm mail archives for it? (No I wont put it on the review if you don't want me to.) Have you submitted this to the london.pm website as well or are you expecting me to do it? Fiction: Any David Gemmel fans? Star Wars fans? Ob Buffy: Xander: What are you doing? Spike: What does it look like I'm doing? I'm exercising
Stuff after the meeting (books, talks and stuff)
Thanks to everyone who turned up last night. I think it went quite well; we seemed to have about 50 people turn up through the evening, and the kitty was well enough stocked to have a surplus at the end. Hopefully you all enjoyed yourselves. (I even heard people talking about Perl. Scary, eh?) Alex McLintock turned up with a copy of the Perl Black Book, which reminded me it was time to name and shame the people who have books but haven't reviewed them. If you're on the list, *please* either review the book or bring it along to a meeting so someone else gets the chance. (Oh, and if somehow this list turns out to be wrong, feel free to yell.) Learning the Unix Operating System (5ed) - Lucy McWilliam Web Design in a Nutshell - Earle Martin Perl for Web Site Management - Anthony Fisher XSLT - Dave Hodgkinson Network Troubleshooting Tools- Roger Burton West Programming Cold Fusion - Simon Wilcox Server Load Balancing- Sue Spence Web Caching - Andy Williams Learning Perl- Alex Page NFS/NIS - Sue Gray Linux Device Drivers - Simon Wistow Java Cookbook- Joe McFadden Exim - Jo Walsh We also now have three confirmed speakers for the tech talk (you know who you are, hopefully) and a venue, and I'll announce both the list of talks and where they'll be over the weekend, after I've got the last slot or two of the meeting sorted. (If you want to pitch a lightning talk- say 10 minutes or less- mail me off list asap.) -- :: paul :: macintosh!
Re: Stuff after the meeting (books, talks and stuff)
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 02:42:27PM +, Paul Mison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Exim - Jo Walsh Actually this was just handed over to the State 51 posse as thanks for all the work they'd put in on Penderel and in the hope that it might be useful to them. It would, of course be nice if they found time to write a review too, but it wasn't a condition of them getting the book so none is expected. Sorry for any confusion. Dave... -- Don't you boys know any _nice_ songs?
