Re: [luau] HOSEF<-->BILUG outreach
| Did the one school with a firm LTSP commitment say they would pay for | their LTSP server and networking equipment? Not sure of that yet; I think there is a small budget of maybe a couple thousand for the project. My understanding is they need more clients and to have the existing clients worked over the HW and a fresh install of sw. There may already be a usable server too. We should know more by next month's meeting. | > My feeling is that we should probably try initially for a limited | > rollout of about 40-50 machines. We have an adult education center here | > in Hilo that definitely will take 20 boxes (it is an old Linux lab that | > is in bad shape now with about 6 feeble machines left working, but room | > for many more). | | If these are faster standalone Linux desktops, you could use a very | similar setup as Michael Bishop's soon to be diskless network bootable | Linux workstations at McKinley Community School. I'm very interested in finding out more about this type of configuration. I forsee a LOT of uses for that. --Eric Eric Jeschke http://redskiesatnight.com/
[luau] Verizon DSL
What's the lowdown on Verizon's DSL promotion currently making the rounds? I believe it's $39.95 a month with the first month free and mandatory 1 year subscription. Anyone using this setup? Are there any hidden charges? Is this a good deal compared to other DSLs? To cable? Thanks, Wayne
[luau] donated computers
Keaau Middle School on the Big Island is very interested in acquiring 20 donated computers to be used for wordprocessing class , so they do not need to be interent capable. Can anyone help us? June Davids 808 982-4200 ext 247
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
Aloha, Don't know anything about this promotion, but I use a Verizon DSL line to Flex and have been very happy. Roadrunner is MUCH faster and a little cheaper than what I pay, but Flex doesn't care that I have my own mail and web server and Flex is NEVER down. If you don't need to run any servers, I would spend the extra $5 per month and get Roadrunner. Mahalo, Dusty > What's the lowdown on Verizon's DSL promotion currently making the > rounds? I believe it's $39.95 a month with the first month free and > mandatory 1 year subscription. Anyone using this setup? Are there any > hidden charges? Is this a good deal compared to other DSLs? To cable? > > Thanks, > Wayne > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
RE: [luau] HOSEF<-->BILUG outreach
Actually UH Info and Comp Sci is working with SOny on gaming technology for use in primary education. The side goal is also to train a bunch of students in game console programming techniques. Chris Lee of Sony Tri-star fame seems to also be interested in the efforts. /brian chee University of Hawaii at Manoa Department of Information and Computer Sciences Advanced Network Computing Laboratory (ANCL) 1680 East-West Road, Room 311 Honolulu, HI 96822 Voice: 808-956-5797 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian J.S. Chee, CNE/CNI http://ancl.ics.hawaii.edu On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, LinuxDan wrote: > Eric > I was just approached by a software company to setup a gaming lab. > The company wants to invest In an Opensource gaming lab here in Hawaii due > to restrictions it has on their contract in their state on the mainland. > I am not sure of all the details at this time but I thought it was a joke at > first until I read parts of their contract. > I thought also another mainland company wants to setup a business in some > resort area so that they could come here for "business meetings" and use it > for a tax write-off. But as far as I can tell they somehow want to find out > if they can run a franchise of hardcore computer gaming locations. That > would include Hilo, Maui and Oahu. Another possibility would be to > "superconnect" all three islands. This would be our profit side services > end. But the profit side would be able to make donations to non-profit > organizations involved in the project. > > Dan > Aloha > > I visited the HOSEF web site and did not find any information about a > mailing list; apologies in advance if this list is not the appropriate > venue. > > We had our BILUG meeting last Saturday and discussed the possibility (as > discussed in the group IRC chat the other night) of getting some of your > donated machines for educational LTSP installations over here on the Big > Island. > > The short summary of it is 1) everyone present seemed interested and > enthusiastic about the idea; 2) we identified only some limited space > for storing machines at the present time; 3) it is unclear how much > human resources we have at our disposal; and 4) we only have one > firm LTSP commitment and a couple of additional interested schools at > the present time. > > My feeling is that we should probably try initially for a limited > rollout of about 40-50 machines. We have an adult education center here > in Hilo that definitely will take 20 boxes (it is an old Linux lab that > is in bad shape now with about 6 feeble machines left working, but room > for many more). We have 2-3 other schools that have expressed interest, > but no firm committment. If we can get the other machines into a couple > of other schools, then with the two or three labs it might provide a way > to demo the idea to yet other schools and get them on board. I'd > estimate that we have about 6 people that we can count on as far as > effort; all are quite capable technically in both Linux and harware in > general. Some others might get involved once we demonstrate that we > have something rolling. Starting small will also make sure we don't > bite off more than we can chew. > > We also were agreeable to try out a Gnomemeeting conference with your > group there; the problem will be finding a decent time; during a regular > meeting would be best, from the standpoint of having as many people > around to participate. > > Let us know how you want to proceed. > > Mahalo, > --Eric (BILUG coordinator) > > Eric Jeschke > http://redskiesatnight.com/ > > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau >
Re: [luau] donated computers
June_Davids/KEAAUM/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keaau Middle School on the Big Island is very interested in acquiring 20 donated computers to be used for wordprocessing class , so they do not need to be interent capable. Can anyone help us? June Davids 808 982-4200 ext 247 Are you in contact with Eric Jeschke of the Big Island Linux Users Group? They are working in cooperation with HOSEF http://www.hosef.org on Oahu in acquiring and configuring the computers for schools on the Big Island. Warren Togami [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
--- Dustin Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Roadrunner is MUCH faster and a little > cheaper than what I pay, but Flex doesn't care that > I have my own mail and web server and Flex is NEVER > down. If you don't need to run any servers, I > would spend the extra $5 per month and get Roadrunner. I currently use Verizon DSL for about a year now, and I have had only had 2 outages for a total of 3 hours down during that time. It really depends on where you live if DSL is a better choice or not. I live on a block of highrise apartments behind Pearlridge Mall, where a master station is located, so I get towards the faster spectrum of DSL bandwidth. One of the downers of having a cable connection versus a DSL connection is that cable modem users actually share bandwith with other users in that area. Another reason that I chose DSL over cable was that my building has 300 units, and there are at least 7 other buildings the same size. With cable you could have a killer connection at 11 PM, but at 5 PM, your connection could slow down. With DSL, you have dedicated bandwidth. I have friends with cable modems that can get downloads sometimes faster than 10Mbps, but then at peak times, they can drag. DSL peak speeds aren't as fast as cable, but it's a steady stream. Just remember that the farther you live from the DSL switch station (the point of the network where the DSL Access Multiplexer [DSLAM] resides), you get less bandwidth due to signal degradation. Also I personally wouldn't use Verizon if I were running any servers that needed to be accessed from the Internet, due to the high prices they charge for a static IP. For 768Kbps download/128Kbps upload with a static IP, I was quoted $59.95 a month. For 1.5Mbps download/128Kbps with static IP, I was quoted 89.95. If I were to put up a server on the Internet from home, I'd use Roadrunner. They only charge an additional $5 for static IP. Casey Roberts __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: [luau] any electricians out there?
Brian Chee wrote: > > I'm really having problems finding the wiring diagram to take an L21-20 > electrical plug (5 wire, 2 hot and 2 neutral with a ground) at 20amps > 208volts. I need to convert this outlet into multiple 20amp 110volt > outlets. > > Since this is a temporary tap, it's legalbut I've inherited these > outlets and now I need to break it out into useful 110volt outlets. > > /brian chee > > University of Hawaii at Manoa > Department of Information and Computer Sciences > Advanced Network Computing Laboratory (ANCL) > 1680 East-West Road, Room 311 > Honolulu, HI 96822 > Voice: 808-956-5797 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brian J.S. Chee, CNE/CNI > http://ancl.ics.hawaii.edu > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau ### Brian, Try measuring the voltage across one hot and one neutral with a meter and see if you read 105v or there abouts. That should give you 2 of the 110v outlets. Ground is ground for both. Aloha! Al Plant - Webmaster http://hawaiidakine.com Providing FAST DSL Service for $28.00 /mo. Member Small Business Hawaii. Running FreeBSD 4.5 UNIX & Caldera Linux 2.4 & RedHat 7.2 Support OPEN SOURCE in Business Computing. Phone 808-622-0043
RE: [luau] Verizon DSL
>>Also I personally wouldn't use Verizon if I were >>running any servers that needed to be accessed from >>the Internet, due to the high prices they charge for a >>static IP. For 768Kbps download/128Kbps upload with a >>static IP, I was quoted $59.95 a month. For 1.5Mbps >>download/128Kbps with static IP, I was quoted 89.95. >>If I were to put up a server on the Internet from >>home, I'd use Roadrunner. They only charge an >>additional $5 for static IP. >> >>Casey Roberts Also, keep in mind that Verizon has a CIR (or something like that I forget the letters) of only 10%. That means that they only guarantee 10% of your desinated plan speed. If you have a plan of 768/768 NO WAY are you ever going to have speeds that fast, the guarantee is only .10 of 768 which is 76K!!! So as long as you get 76k speeds you cannot protest Verizon. If you get RR and run servers, there are always programs you can get off the Net that will adapt to dynamic IPs. And I don't think they fired that one Verizon worker that sawed through those lines awhile back, which killed a lot of DSL customers. Randall
[luau] just how many of us are there anyhow?
Warren or Ray, As list admins, could one of you tell us how many people are subscribed to LUAU? curious, -ho'ala
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 12:44:30PM -1000, Randall Oshita wrote: > Also, keep in mind that Verizon has a CIR (or something like > that I forget the letters) of only 10%. That means that they > only guarantee 10% of your desinated plan speed. If you have a > plan of 768/768 NO WAY are you ever going to have speeds that > fast, the guarantee is only .10 of 768 which is 76K!!! So as > long as you get 76k speeds you cannot protest Verizon. Committed information rate. I am suprised you even got a number. If I were a broadband provider to residential customers, I would not provide any CIR. There are too many variables that would make it cost prohibitive to guarantee anything. IMHO, having a low CIR would just make me look bad. > If you get RR and run servers, there are always programs you > can get off the Net that will adapt to dynamic IPs. Sure, that helps you keep your hostname resolving to the right IP, but you still might be violating an AUP (acceptable usage policy). Where I live, bandwidth from a cable modem far exceeds that of DSL. And, it was cheaper. Web browsing was fine. Leeching was an absolute dream. However, since I use a lot of interactive SSH sessions to the mainland, latency was very important in deciding which service to keep. With DSL, the latency hovered between 70 - 90 ms. The cable modem was much more erratic, fluctuating constantly over 200 ms, especially during peak usage times. In the end, I bid farewell to high bandwidth and settled for decent latency. I switched to DSL. (This is my switcher story. *beep* *beep* *beep*.) -Vince
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
On Wednesday 19 February 2003 09:36 pm, Dustin Cross wrote: > Aloha, > > Don't know anything about this promotion, but I use a Verizon DSL line to > Flex and have been very happy. Roadrunner is MUCH faster and a little > cheaper than what I pay, but Flex doesn't care that I have my own mail and > web server and Flex is NEVER down. If you don't need to run any servers, I > would spend the extra $5 per month and get Roadrunner. > > Mahalo, > Dusty > > > What's the lowdown on Verizon's DSL promotion currently making the > > rounds? I believe it's $39.95 a month with the first month free and > > mandatory 1 year subscription. Anyone using this setup? Are there any > > hidden charges? Is this a good deal compared to other DSLs? To cable? > > > > Thanks, > > Wayne With Flex's DSL, don't you have to pay both Flex and Verizon a separate monthly charge? Doesn't this come out to over $50 a month total? This Verizon promotion seems to imply that the total monthly cost for DSL will be $39.95. Is this correct? Wayne ---
Re: [luau] just how many of us are there anyhow?
Ho'ala Greevy wrote: Warren or Ray, As list admins, could one of you tell us how many people are subscribed to LUAU? curious, -ho'ala Currently 246 people. Warren
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
Correct. I pay both Flex and Verizon and it ends up being more than the $39.59, I think I pay $65 per month, but I like being able to LEGALLY run my own servers with fear of ports being blocked or getting a letter saying that it is against the AUP. And I pay much less than the Roadrunner business account that allows servers, which is well worth it if you can justify the $150-200 per month. If you do everything through Verizon, $39.95 should be your total monthly cost. Dusty > > With Flex's DSL, don't you have to pay both Flex and Verizon a separate > monthly charge? Doesn't this come out to over $50 a month total? This > Verizon promotion seems to imply that the total monthly cost for DSL > will be $39.95. Is this correct? > > Wayne > > --- > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
[luau] Check out this dice.com position: NT007B655E
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Re: [luau] Check out this dice.com position: NT007B655E
OOPS! Sandi ment to send this to Vince. Dusty > I found this great opportunity at Dice, and thought it might be helpful > in your job search. > http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch? op=1002&dockey=xml/0/d/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Here is a position that CSC has had advertised for weeks. If you are > interested you should apply even though you don't yet have the > clearance. > > Sandi
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
On 19 Feb 2003 at 14:11, Casey Roberts wrote: > One of the downers of having a cable connection versus > a DSL connection is that cable modem users actually > share bandwith with other users in that area. I understand the theory of CM operation and am aware of the shared concept of a local node but at what point in the DSL path does your bandwidth mix with the others? Is it at the CO or further up? At some point a local area or group of individuals would have to be sharing a common pipe. Is this point far enough away that some of the traffic has already left for other destinations? I always hear this as a downside with CM but after looking at this big picture, isn't DSL sharing bandwidth also, just a little further up the stream? I have Comcast on the mainland now and they are very different then the RR I had in Hawaii a few years ago. RR had local content and mirrors that were hosted locally and were always fast, even during peak times when off island access was slower. I never really noticed the local nodes getting bogged down, it was always the pipe to the outside, beyond the shared bandwidth zone. Maybe I was on a relatively unloaded local node.
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
I was a contractor at Bell Atlantic building out thier DSL a few years back. The choke point was at the CO (central office). Basically all of the DSL lines from your area terminate there and that system is connected to the main office and then to the internet. At Bell Atlantic the connection from the CO to the main office was a T-1 even though the system recommended an OC-3 for the amount of lines they had. What you got was dedicated bandwidth to the CO, from there it is shared bandwidth. Dusty > I understand the theory of CM operation and am aware of the shared > concept of a local node but at what point in the DSL path does your > bandwidth mix with the others? Is it at the CO or further up? At > some point a local area or group of individuals would have to be > sharing a common pipe. Is this point far enough away that some of the > traffic has already left for other destinations? > > I always hear this as a downside with CM but after looking at this big > picture, isn't DSL sharing bandwidth also, just a little further up > the stream? > > I have Comcast on the mainland now and they are very different then > the RR I had in Hawaii a few years ago. RR had local content and > mirrors that were hosted locally and were always fast, even during > peak times when off island access was slower. I never really noticed > the local nodes getting bogged down, it was always the pipe to the > outside, beyond the shared bandwidth zone. Maybe I was on a > relatively unloaded local node. > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
On Thursday 20 February 2003 01:31 am, Dustin Cross wrote: > Correct. I pay both Flex and Verizon and it ends up being more than the > $39.59, I think I pay $65 per month, but I like being able to LEGALLY run > my own servers with fear of ports being blocked or getting a letter saying > that it is against the AUP. And I pay much less than the Roadrunner > business account that allows servers, which is well worth it if you can > justify the $150-200 per month. > > If you do everything through Verizon, $39.95 should be your total monthly > cost. > > Dusty > > > With Flex's DSL, don't you have to pay both Flex and Verizon a separate > > monthly charge? Doesn't this come out to over $50 a month total? This > > Verizon promotion seems to imply that the total monthly cost for DSL > > will be $39.95. Is this correct? > > > > Wayne I notice that Linux isn't listed under Verizon's DSL system requirements on their website. Yet many Linux users do have Verizon's DSL. How does Verizon handle this? Do they just dump everything at your doorstep and leave it for you to set up? Do they deny your application because you're on Linux thereby forcing you to access them indirectly at providers such as Flex? Wayne
[luau] Windows Terminal Client
Does anybody know of a Windows Terminal Server Client for Red Hat 8.0? When I was running Mandrake they had one. Thanks, Don
Re: [luau] Check out this dice.com position: NT007B655E
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 03:46:21PM -1000, Dustin Cross wrote: > OOPS! Sandi ment to send this to Vince. That is one way to announce my availability. :) -Vince
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
--- Dustin Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At Bell Atlantic the connection from the CO to the > main office was a T-1 even though the system > recommended an OC-3 for the amount of lines they > had. What you got was dedicated bandwidth to the > CO, from there it is shared bandwidth. Better to have a choke point at the CO than to have one for the neighborhood segment on top of that. Like I pointed out in my previous post, with my block, even if they had a dedicated line to just my block, 300 units times 7-8 buildings equals a lot of potential cable modem user on a small pipe. It really depends on how many people are using cable for broadband. Also with Verizon, the static IP service is lumped under Verizon DSL Business Class, so you are allowed to run servers as part of your agreement. If you decide to use a dynamic IP instead, you connect using DHCP. When you order the service, you receive a box with the DSL modem, a disk with Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, four DSL filters and instructions on how to connect the computer to the modem and phone line. The documentation they provide with the modem is confusing (My invoice stated that the modem was a PPPoE modem, and it took me two days of being stubborn to call tech support to find out that they use standard DHCP). They will not help you troubleshoot your system, since they do not support anything other than Mac or Windows. I had a hard time convincing an after-hours tech that he couldn't support my OS. Even with the lack of Linux support, I found it pretty easy to set it up. Casey Roberts __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: [luau] Windows Terminal Client
Maddog wrote: Does anybody know of a Windows Terminal Server Client for Red Hat 8.0? When I was running Mandrake they had one. Thanks, Don Red Hat 8.0.94 beta has "krdc" which does that, but it isn't in Red Hat 8.0. It is part of KDE 3.1. I'll dig around to see if there is an easier way to install it on Red Hat 8.0. Warren
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
Casey Roberts wrote: --- Dustin Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At Bell Atlantic the connection from the CO to the main office was a T-1 even though the system recommended an OC-3 for the amount of lines they had. What you got was dedicated bandwidth to the CO, from there it is shared bandwidth. Better to have a choke point at the CO than to have one for the neighborhood segment on top of that. Like I pointed out in my previous post, with my block, even if they had a dedicated line to just my block, 300 units times 7-8 buildings equals a lot of potential cable modem user on a small pipe. It really depends on how many people are using cable for broadband. The theoretical bandwidth of most cable modems (DOCIS) is IIRC 53Mbit/sec. That's really fast. Probably faster than the uplink where your DSL pools at the CO. In my experience, the limiting factor with cable modems is the ISP's uplink to the public internet, not the local segment, though with population THAT DENSE, you may want to check into it...ask the cable modem people what the average usage of that subnet is, as well as wehre it goes to (there may be one run to each building for example). Ask the DSL provider what the uplink at the DSLAM is and the average % utilization of that. If the cable modem people are uplinking to a T3, and the DSL people are uplinking to a T1, the cable modem will probably be faster simply because T1s are REALLY SLOW for this kind of thing. Also with Verizon, the static IP service is lumped under Verizon DSL Business Class, so you are allowed to run servers as part of your agreement. If you decide to use a dynamic IP instead, you connect using DHCP. When you order the service, you receive a box with the DSL modem, a disk with Outlook Express and Internet Explorer, four DSL filters and instructions on how to connect the computer to the modem and phone line. The documentation they provide with the modem is confusing (My invoice stated that the modem was a PPPoE modem, and it took me two days of being stubborn to call tech support to find out that they use standard DHCP). They will not help you troubleshoot your system, since they do not support anything other than Mac or Windows. I had a hard time convincing an after-hours tech that he couldn't support my OS. Even with the lack of Linux support, I found it pretty easy to set it up. RoadRunner doesn't support Linux either, but I've found that if you don't mention what OS you're running and ask specific questions (like, what is the setting for thise) rather than letting them give you step-by-step instructions (click on start, control panel...), you can usually get along fine. I've actually had some after hours (3AM, don't ask...their BGP routes expired) techs help me even though they knew I was running linux. It seems to depend on who you get, and how busy they are. If they're really busy and the supervisor is watching over them, they'll likely just say "We don't support that, sorry", but if it's a slow day and the tech is bored (and intelligent, which the local ones here are if you bypass level 1), a lot of them know unixish OSes and will help you out. Casey Roberts --MonMotha
[luau] Disk 2, seems small
This file, disk 2, seems too small: /mirrors/mandrake/Mandrake-iso/i586/MandrakeLinux-9.1rc1-CD2.i586.iso Is it still downloading? -Matt
Re: [luau] Thinktech Hawaii and Linux/Unix
Tom Donahoe wrote: On 2/17/03 12:54 PM, "maddog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I take all of your coments in stride. I read them all and they are well thought out. Gary had a great comment about being an outspoken advocate, that is not always the best approach when you are trying to get people to do something they don't like to do, namely change. Microsoft owns the desktop market and yes Open Office and the other open source Office Suites have come a long way. When sharing calendars and calendaring in general , and sending meeting requests can equal what Microsoft has done with Exchange and Outlook then I think Open Source will have a chance. Another thing that is quirky in Open Office is the Document translation. Now I could go on and on about this subject but I choose not too and I choose to listen to you folks and ask you to help me understand the power behind Open Source. I think Maddog makes some good, useful comments here in approaching this group. Change is a scary thing for anyone in any industry. (Although, Maddog, if you think the rate of change in business is slow, change in education is glacial by comparison.) Even when the benefits are clearly spelled out, people can still be reluctant to change. It reminds of something I saw recently: How many people does it take to change a light bulb? Four. One to change the light bulb, the other three to stand around reminiscing about the old light bulb. :-) You're gonna encounter a lot of folks who want to stick with the old (burned out) light bulb, folks...even when they can plainly see that the change benefits them although, once they see how they benefit personally, it will be easier. (Personally is the key word. Never mind the business or the organization, if it is easier or benefits them personally, it will be easier to win them over.) Just some thoughts on change. Aloha Tom Donahoe ___ LUAU mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau All the comments are interesting and cogent. I still find it interesting and disturbing that a show that focuses on tech would seem put off rather than /interested/ in something new they did not understand, like Linux and open source. Hopefully, with someone now onboard and "inside", attitudes will change. I was tempted to post to their website and wonder whether they took the trouble to listen to a kind of sister show "Science Friday" which devoted a half hour a few weeks ago to Linux and open source, pointed out the amazing speed of development that has occured, considering it is only about 10 yrs old. Thanks
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
I like being able to LEGALLY run my own servers with fear of ports being blocked or getting a letter saying that it is against the AUP. I've noticed recently that a lot of people think, Road Runner doesn't allow servers to be run over residential access. As long as the servers aren't being used for "enterprise" purposes, I don't think Oceanic/Road Runner cares: http://help.twcable.com/html/twc_misp_aup.html I know i've been running various servers (http, mail, etc) on my box connected to Road Runner using their regular dhcp, residential access for a couple years without problems. (Note, I'm not saying Flex/DSL is bad or anything.) --Ray
Re: [luau] Windows Terminal Client
Don> Does anybody know of a Windows Terminal Server Client for Red Hat 8.0? When Don> I was running Mandrake they had one. Warren> Red Hat 8.0.94 beta has "krdc" which does that, but it isn't Warren> in Red Hat 8.0. It is part of KDE 3.1. Warren> Warren> I'll dig around to see if there is an easier way to install it Warren> on Red Hat 8.0. I use rdesktop. Bruce
Re: [luau] Verizon DSL
Is running my own web and mail server an enterprise purpose? I don't know! Dusty >> >> >>I like being able to LEGALLY run my own servers with fear of >> >>ports being blocked or getting a letter saying that it is >> >>against the AUP. >> > I've noticed recently that a lot of people think, Road Runner doesn't > allow servers > to be run over residential access. > > As long as the servers aren't being used for "enterprise" purposes, I > don't think > Oceanic/Road Runner cares: > > http://help.twcable.com/html/twc_misp_aup.html > > I know i've been running various servers (http, mail, etc) on my box > connected > to Road Runner using their regular dhcp, residential access for a > couple years without problems. > > (Note, I'm not saying Flex/DSL is bad or anything.) > > --Ray > > ___ > LUAU mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://videl.ics.hawaii.edu/mailman/listinfo/luau
