Re: [LUAU] 12 hour power outage at UH...Mirror will be down 26 March 2013
Awesome! Just a note that if you want to help contribute to make the actual web page more 'user friendly' perhaps for your favorite distro, the source code is on GitHub: https://github.com/jyap808/mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu_website Thanks, Julian On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:54 AM, Mike Gonsalves wrote: > Me too! The ANCL mirror is a great resource. Thanks! ~Mike > > > > On 02/06/2013 10:25 AM, Jeff Mings wrote: >> >> Thanks for the heads-up Brian! >> >> FWIW, I find the ANCL mirror to be extremely helpful, and use it a LOT for >> LibreOffice and CentOS and Ubuntu downloads. >> >> -Jeff >> >> On 02/06/2013 09:57 AM, Brian Chee wrote: >>> >>> In order to accomodate some massive changes to the electrical grid at the >>> University of Hawaii (New ITS building) the Hawaii Institute of >>> Geophysics >>> (where the Linux Mirror resides) will be down all day on March 26, 2013. >>> >>> Please plan accordingly... >>> >>> /brian chee >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list >> >> http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > > > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] A reflection on the state of the Linux desktop
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:17:03 -1000 > Jeff Mings wrote: > >> Gnome 3 is not really ready for prime time. >> >> If you're using Ubuntu 12.04 and don't like Unity, go straight to Mate >> Desktop and don't waste your time playing with the others. > > Thanks for your impressions of Unity and Gnome. I fear Gnome 3 will make Gnome > a mere shadow of its former self. The Gnome team's lack of responsiveness > reminds me of the XFree86 crew, and Oracle. Here's hoping Mate stays viable. > > My own path over the years has been different. I was always partial to KDE. I > was smart enough to avoid the earliest versions of KDE 4, making the jump to > 4.3. I noticed several things: There was less functionality than 3.5 (mostly > rectified now). The memory footprint was larger. You could run KDE with 256 > meg. of RAM. Now you really need 512. There was lots of stuff running in the > background, and things got worse if you ran KDE-PIM. > > Eventuallly, I found substitutes for the KDE apps I ran. I use the version 3.5 > version of KDEaddressbook from Trinity. I switched from Kmail to Claws. I do > my > calendar stuff with an on-line app that comes with the domain I use, instead > of > Korganizer. > > With most of the KDE apps gone, KDE went too. Eventually I settled on XFCE > 4.8. > I use it on Ubuntu Lucid and Debian Squeeze. With Squeeze, it uses less than > 90 > meg. on a fresh boot to desktop. It's very flexible, and above all, stable. > > I also use Remmina to connect to a Vino server, both running under XFCE. Hey, > they work. When KDE made the jump from 3 to 4 it annoyed me because I used Konsole (which was awesome) as my primary terminal which was then replaced by a crappy bare bones KDE 4 Konsole... I eventually switched to just running Gnome terminal. I still use desktop Linux at work but Gnome 3 in fallback mode. I have a laptop too that I installed with XFCE and that works great. The problem is that larger open source projects such as Gnome and KDE don't have the resources to put out a new major release of their desktop early on. So they need to just release it and improve it over time. In the meanwhile users suffer and the whole usage is different. ... Except I know I'm not alone but my primary laptop is now a MacBook Air 13". The main problem is that Linux laptops suck with suspend/resume/hibernate and battery life. In the end it just feels so much better to throw the lid of the laptop down and lift it up without hoping things don't go bad. And in the end, I'm still just using the terminal mostly and Linux has won the server battle. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] HOSEF Mirror down?
Hi All, The mirror is now at: http://mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu/ Please update your bookmarks. The web site is something I quickly put up to make it more user friendly but feel free to fork it on GitHub to make improvements: https://github.com/jyap808/mirror.ancl.hawaii.edu_website I wasn't a part of the whole transition plan (or lack thereof) from the HOSEF domain so I can't comment on that. Thanks, Julian On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Jeff Mings wrote: > I've also noticed that a few times in the past couple of weeks when trying > to pull various distros. Each attempt from outside of UH. The HOSEF mirror > is something I really appreciate having access to. > > Sincerely, > -Jeff Mings > > > On 06/13/2012 08:32 AM, Camron W. Fox wrote: >> >> Alle, >> >> I can no longer access mirrors.hosef.org from inside the UH network >> (coming from 128.171.73.73, since June 2 it appears). Pings and >> traceroute fails: >> >> root@rb11: [1008/8]# ping mirrors.hosef.org >> PING mirrors.hosef.org (128.171.104.136) 56(84) bytes of data. >> >> --- mirrors.hosef.org ping statistics --- >> 3 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 2000ms >> >> root@rb11: [1009/9]# traceroute mirrors.hosef.org >> traceroute to mirrors.hosef.org (128.171.104.136), 30 hops max, 40 byte >> packets >> 1 ccb-431 (XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX) 0.487 ms 0.469 ms 0.543 ms >> 2 fdt (XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX) 0.182 ms 0.257 ms 0.329 ms >> 3 128.171.73.65 (128.171.73.65) 1.147 ms 1.268 ms 1.352 ms >> 4 vl-200-te-1-1-bb1-its-hurp4900.uhnet.net (166.122.228.237) 1.118 ms >> 1.237 ms 1.227 ms >> 5 vl-244-gi-2-10-ml4900-1.uhnet.net (205.166.205.225) 2.840 ms 2.967 >> ms 3.137 ms >> 6 vl-1113-te-5-8-melody720.uhnet.net (166.122.228.50) 7.698 ms 7.685 >> ms 7.690 ms >> 7 vl-669-te-8-2-keller720.uhnet.net (128.171.213.4) 7.070 ms 7.007 >> ms 7.035 ms >> 8 * * * >> >> 30 * * * >> root@rb11: [1010/10]# >> >> Is the mirror down? >> >> Best Regards, >> Camron >> >> > > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Colocation or plain old hosting
It sounds like a virtual server is the only real option for you. For your needs, a local host who hosts things physically locally would always be more expensive. Hawaii just has higher fixed costs such as energy, property and bandwidth costs. Are you willing to pay a local premium for the same product? Even if you host a small box locally and don't need a full 1U a unit of space, dedicated power, network cross connect need to be assigned to you. You would need to also be in the data center security system, billing system, support system. You may as well buy a 2nd IP address from your home ISP and host your EeeBox from your home. So given all the base fixed cost disadvantages of a local hosting firm (hosting physically in Hawaii) the overheads need to be factored in. So as with other local businesses competing against the might of the Internet you're paying for other factors such as convenience, local access, etc... If the premium features aren't worth it, then a virtual server from mainland hosting company X is for you. - Julian On Jun 2, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Jeff Mings wrote: > Thanks for taking the time to reply Laurence! > >Yes, I'm running several sites via conventional web hosting. A few of my > sites were originally hosted by Cedant, which was a very competent company. > Cedant was then bought by aplus, which was then bought by Deluxe for > Business, which seems to be clueless about a great number of things. Out of > frustration with hosting companies, I'm thinking of just setting up my own > box. > >Rackspace's virtual boxes are insanely cheap and offer reliably good > performance. Assuming I don't find anything better locally, I'll probably > provision a Rackspace virtual server. > > Thanks, > -Jeff > > > On 06/02/2012 09:11 AM, Laurence Laforga wrote: >> Hi Jeff, >> >> I haven't run into any local co-location companies that sell less than a 1U >> rack space. I think it would make more economical sense to sign up for a >> web hosting account. >> >> Good luck! >> Laurence >> >> -Original Message- >> From: luau-boun...@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org >> [mailto:luau-boun...@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mings >> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2012 11:01 PM >> To: LUAU >> Subject: [LUAU] Really simple colocation >> >> Hi Guys! >> >> I am frustrated with hosting companies not offering quite what I want, >> or changing ownership and then features, or suffering from strangely slow >> MySQL servers. I'm wondering if there is a very very basic colocation >> option in town that will give me an IP address on a pipe with low down-time, >> and UPS-backed power for me to plug a small box into. I don't need loads of >> monthly bandwidth or even a whole U in a rack. I just want to run a basic >> Drupal site for a local company that doesn't get huge amounts of site >> traffic. Something as simple as an Asus EeeBox is all I need. (No, really, >> just a 2 GB RAM Atom box running Linux is more than enough). >> >> Has anyone found a good local company that does this for a low monthly >> rate? >> >> Thanks for reading this and giving it some consideration, -Jeff >> >> ___ >> LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list >> http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org >> >> ___ >> LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list >> http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org >> > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good
I've been a long time desktop Linux user but the recent Gnome3 and Unity has soured my hopes of the future. I still run Fedora 16 on of my work PCs but I switched it to Gnome 3 fallback mode (kind of like Gnome 2 but crappy). The argument with Linux is 'just install x desktop' but the problem is if you don't have sane and usable defaults from the outset you're already off to bad start with users. - Julian From: Jeff Mings To: LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:26 PM Subject: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good Hi all! Ubuntu's latest long-term-support release, 12.04, is only in beta 1, but it seems to be very polished already. I tried the previous alpha, and had install problems. I'll probably even use it for a production box, unless I find any problems. As many others have said, the ClassicMenu Indicator package tames the Unity madness by bringing back the application menu. Without this one addon, I wouldn't be able to stand the Unity UI. Aloha, -Jeff Mings ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Favorite Linux backup programs?
For my servers I use Safekeep. Safekeep is just a wrapper for Rdiffbackup. So you can roll your own with Rdiffbackup. - Julian From: Jason Axelson To: Hawaii Linux Enthusiasts Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:43 AM Subject: [LUAU] Favorite Linux backup programs? I've been looking into backup programs for home and work and right now I am thinking of using tarsnap personally and experimenting with bup http://www.tarsnap.com/ https://github.com/apenwarr/bup So what are your favorite (preferably command-line only) backup programs for Linux? Jason ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Thread on merits of package backups
For servers I usually backup /etc but that depends if the server has critical files that can't be replicated easily elsewhere. And for servers I usually have a base install which can be replicated easily. So you can just document this part in the install and other generic things performed afterwards. eg. I change the MTA to Postfix, uninstall some packages. And then for each server, I document the other packages installed. Sometimes packages are built from source so that's documented as well. So: - Backup whatever can't be replicated easily. - Document a generic install (avoids backing up almost everything). - Document custom packages or programs installed. So my backups per server are very small. For backups I use SafeKeep (http://safekeep.sourceforge.net/). - Julian From: Jason Axelson To: LUAU Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [LUAU] Thread on merits of package backups I think that a list of packages along with backups of /home and /etc will get you about 95% of the system that you need typically. Although sometimes you might have something important that wasn't installed via the package manager or installs itself along with configuration is something like /opt By the way for those unfamiliar with Linux's file system layout should check out 'man hier' Jason On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Brian Chee wrote: > So here is a snip from a Linux reference, what I'd like to ask is how well > folks think this will actually work? > > Being able to backup as small amount of info possible is a very good > thing... > *APT: Backup and restore your software* > > *Hopefully you're already backing up your documents in case of a crash, but > did you know that there's no need to back up your whole system? Because of > the way that Linux stores all its programs inside a package manager, it's a > cinch to create a list of all the packages you have installed, then feed > that back into your package manager when you want to restore your system. > To do this, use the dpkg command to save your selections to a backup file, > then read them back in at a later date. Note that you must performapt-get > dselect-upgrade after setting your selections to make the changes happen.* > *dpkg --get-selections > backup_file > dpkg --set-selections < backup_file > apt-get dselect-upgrade* > > > What do you folks think? Will this get 100% of the system info, or just the > packages and now you have to backup the configs separately.normally I > backup the whole system, but that's very space intensive. > > Brian Chee > > Sent from my iPad > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Apache DoS vulnerability
Here is an article: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/24/devastating_apache_vuln/ Try running the proof of concept here: https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=51714 I ran it on some CentOS 5 and 6 (running httpd-2.2.15-5.el6.centos.x86_64) servers which reported no issues. It may be the default way that RHEL/CentOS has the network set up or perhaps does not enable the modules required. I suspect some distributions may be vulnerable with their default set up. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] ubuntu with python can't see multicast traffic
Maybe the required Python libraries aren't installed on your Ubuntu 11.x machine? If it's a small script then try running all the module imports manually at the CLI to see if one fails. - Julian - Original Message - From: Brian Chee To: LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [LUAU] ubuntu with python can't see multicast traffic So does anyone know of some sort of magic config item for ubuntu that will allow a python app to be able to receive mulitcast traffic? Using tcpdump I can see the IGMP joins and when I use tcpdump using this: tcpdump ip multicast and not broadcast I can see the igmp joins in wireshark and then after the briefest of pauses, the multicast starts up...I'm interested in 225.0.10.13 but this tcpdump syntax also brings up the other multicast from windows, etc... I've also started barking up the apparmor tree, and have gone as far as building a profile for it...but still not getting the multicast to the python app, whereas another machine (ubuntu 10.x as opposed to ubuntu 11.x on this machine) and the multicast data populates the python app just fine. /brian chee ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] IP address on Cable
--- On Thu, 3/3/11, Jon wrote: > However, I see most malware through compromised sites and ads, via the web > these days. > > I'll second Jon's suggestion of FireFox/NoScript for tech savvy folks. For > others, start with an ad blocker and Chrome if Win7/IE8 doesn't seem to be > doing the trick. I'd also recommend disabling Java. A lot of 'ads' on certain sites silently install stuff via Java. .. A benefit of 'app stores' is that they don't contain malware/spyware (except Android's). In my experience 'users' will always want to install things. It's a PC, you can't stop that. It's difficult to differentiate between what is a good application to install and what could happen if you install something so that you can see that greeting card that your friend sent you. Or try telling your nephew that installing free dolphin screen savers isn't a good thing (and neither is going to those sites which offer them). In a way we're moving to these application silos because Windows isn't working out... Because all these suggestions shouldn't be necessary. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] RSync help
If in doubt, explicitly specify using SSH: rsync -avz -e ssh remoteuser@remotehost:/remote/dir /this/dir/ --- On Thu, 1/27/11, James Handsel wrote: > From: James Handsel > Subject: Re: [LUAU] RSync help > To: luau@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011, 11:40 PM > > > The errors are in your rsyncd.conf. Remove it and try > to backup from only > > the command line, then put that in your scripts. > > > > Here's an example that works with [recent versions] of > rsync. It autodetects > > that SSH is needed: > > > > rsync -a root@remoteserver:/opt/ /backup/opt/ > > > > If you run that as root, then the UID/GID for the > remote files will be > > preserved. If you run as a non-root user, you still > can read as root, but > > you write out files as the local backup user. > > > > Should that fail, increase your verbosity: > > > > rsync -av --progress -e "ssh -v" > root@remoteserver:/opt/ /backup/opt/ > > > > -Vince > > > > Vince, > > Got it, thanks. I'll give it a try. Any idea > what the oldest version > of rsync is, that supports this format? > > > Jim > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Eek, major PHP remote exploit bug
.. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. eg. Say you're running a particular forum software... A URL like this will easily bring you down: http://site.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2.2250738585072011e-308 Here's the quick patch: --- ./Zend/zend_strtod.c.orig Thu Jan 6 14:09:49 2011 +++ ./Zend/zend_strtod.cThu Jan 6 14:10:17 2011 @@ -2035,7 +2035,7 @@ int bb2, bb5, bbe, bd2, bd5, bbbits, bs2, c, dsign, e, e1, esign, i, j, k, nd, nd0, nf, nz, nz0, sign; CONST char *s, *s0, *s1; - double aadj, aadj1, adj; + volatile double aadj, aadj1, adj; volatile _double rv, rv0; Long L; ULong y, z; --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Ben Kinsey wrote: > From: Ben Kinsey > Subject: Re: [LUAU] Eek, major PHP remote exploit bug > To: "LUAU" > Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 10:54 AM > The question for me is: can this bug > be exploited remotely on web > applications? I filter ids to only expect integers... > is there an integer > equivalent that will trigger this bug? > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Julian Yap > wrote: > > > This bug leads to a PHP/server hang. > > > > Bug: > > http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=53632 > > > > More discussion: > > http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2066084 > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/04/weird_php_dos_vuln/ > > > > Looks to effect 32-bit systems running various 5.x > versions of PHP. > > > > I was able to reproduce it. > > > > $ php -v > > PHP 5.3.3 (cli) (built: Dec 14 2010 13:31:51) > > Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group > > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend > Technologies > > $ php -r "print 2.2250738585072011e-308;" > > > > ... hang! > > > > ___ > > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > mailing list > > > > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > > > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Eek, major PHP remote exploit bug
This bug leads to a PHP/server hang. Bug: http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=53632 More discussion: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2066084 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/04/weird_php_dos_vuln/ Looks to effect 32-bit systems running various 5.x versions of PHP. I was able to reproduce it. $ php -v PHP 5.3.3 (cli) (built: Dec 14 2010 13:31:51) Copyright (c) 1997-2010 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2010 Zend Technologies $ php -r "print 2.2250738585072011e-308;" ... hang! ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Using a 3rd party DNS providers effects routing from CDN's?
Just to confirm. Using RR's DNS to look up an Akamai server: $ host a9.g.akamai.net a9.g.akamai.net has address 24.143.203.19 a9.g.akamai.net has address 24.143.203.35 This corresponds to RR block: $ whois 24.143.203.19 [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to ipmt.rr.com:4321] ... network:IP-Network:24.143.192.0/19 network:IP-Network-Block:24.143.192.0 - 24.143.223.255 network:Organization;I:Road Runner Commercial Using Google DNS: $ host a9.g.akamai.net 8.8.8.8 Using domain server: Name: 8.8.8.8 Address: 8.8.8.8#53 Aliases: a9.g.akamai.net has address 96.17.8.42 a9.g.akamai.net has address 96.17.8.24 .. Eek, using Akamai's servers directly! - Julian --- On Fri, 12/31/10, Julian Yap wrote: > From: Julian Yap > Subject: Using a 3rd party DNS providers effects routing from CDN's? > To: "LUAU" > Date: Friday, December 31, 2010, 1:25 PM > This is the first I've heard about > this but apparently using a 3rd party DNS server like Google > DNS can effect your routing for a CDN like Akamai. > > "CDNs like Akamai, which Apple works with to deliver iTunes > downloads, use DNS lookup information to locate where users > are, and then optimize content delivery via the nearest > available server." > > I guess the an easy test would be: > a) Inspect to find the domain/URL that is looked up on a > download > b) Look up the domain using Google DNS and see what it > reports > c) Look up the domain using default local DNS like Hawaii's > RR DNS > d) Compare > > Hmm, I guess I better switch to Hawaii RR DNS :(. > > > http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/20/apple_tv_itunes_downloads_slowed_by_google_dns.html > > ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Using a 3rd party DNS providers effects routing from CDN's?
This is the first I've heard about this but apparently using a 3rd party DNS server like Google DNS can effect your routing for a CDN like Akamai. "CDNs like Akamai, which Apple works with to deliver iTunes downloads, use DNS lookup information to locate where users are, and then optimize content delivery via the nearest available server." I guess the an easy test would be: a) Inspect to find the domain/URL that is looked up on a download b) Look up the domain using Google DNS and see what it reports c) Look up the domain using default local DNS like Hawaii's RR DNS d) Compare Hmm, I guess I better switch to Hawaii RR DNS :(. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/12/20/apple_tv_itunes_downloads_slowed_by_google_dns.html ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] RR SMTP should resolve with OpenDNS
Yeah, all the outbound hawaii.rr.com mail flows through 4 mainland servers I use Google Public DNS at home: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ The Hawaii.rr.com DNS servers are really bad and don't honor TTL's. They just have very long caching and it varies depending on the DNS server you hit. - Julian --- On Thu, 12/2/10, Jeff Mings wrote: From: Jeff Mings Subject: [LUAU] RR SMTP should resolve with OpenDNS To: "LUAU" Date: Thursday, December 2, 2010, 10:21 PM That doesn't seem right... I am using the OpenDNS servers (just double-checked resolv.conf to make sure), and I get: PING smtp-server.hawaii.rr.com (71.74.56.22) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (71.74.56.22): icmp_seq=1 ttl=242 time=128 ms I'm using RR in the McCully area, but for a non-RR host, that shouldn't matter... Oddly, the traceroute for what should be a Hawaii-based server dies after going through RR's Cali tbone. Aloha, -Jeff ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Job opportunity
Here is the full job description: http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/sof/2051380667.html Personally I think this is a great job opportunity. We're a growing company and this will be the 3rd person we've added in the past year... It may not seem like a lot but these are real tech jobs for a real company that doesn't just hire and fire. It's kind of strange but I tend to get a lot of decent candidates via Craigslist. Not so many through tech forums and lists. - Julian --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Julian Yap wrote: From: Julian Yap Subject: Job opportunity To: "LUAU" Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 4:00 PM This is an early email out to this list while I formalize some other job postings. We are looking for an engineer to join out Telco/VoIP department. Must have experience with Linux. Bonus points if you have: - Understanding of SIP protocol and related network components (Proxy, SBC, User Agents, etc.) - Programming experience along with some Telecom Experience We probably have the 2nd largest deployment of VoIP users in Hawaii (outside of Time Warner). Let me know if you or anyone you know is interested in joining our team... For further details as well, please contact me off list. Thanks! Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Job opportunity
This is an early email out to this list while I formalize some other job postings. We are looking for an engineer to join out Telco/VoIP department. Must have experience with Linux. Bonus points if you have: - Understanding of SIP protocol and related network components (Proxy, SBC, User Agents, etc.) - Programming experience along with some Telecom Experience We probably have the 2nd largest deployment of VoIP users in Hawaii (outside of Time Warner). Let me know if you or anyone you know is interested in joining our team... For further details as well, please contact me off list. Thanks! Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Fedora Beta 12 - Delta RPMs
I upgraded my work machine from Fedora 8 to Fedora Beta 12... Uptime since the earthquake or something crazy. One new feature is Delta RPM's... It sure saves a ton of bandwidth when updating OpenOffice. Here's a modified output: $ sudo yum update ... Transaction Summary Upgrade 55 Package(s) Total download size: 161 M Downloading Packages: ... Download delta size: 22 M ... Finishing rebuild of rpms, from deltarpms Presto reduced the update size by 86% (from 157 M to 22 M). - Julian --- On Thu, 10/22/09, Mike Gonsalves wrote: > From: Mike Gonsalves > Subject: Re: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror now has CentOS 5.4 and Fedora Beta 12 > To: "LUAU" > Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 11:42 AM > That's great! These mirrors are much > appreciated! Thanks! > ----- Original Message - > From: Julian Yap > To: LUAU ; LUAU > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 11:43 PM > Subject: [LUAU] HOSEF mirror now has CentOS 5.4 and > Fedora Beta 12 > > > You can find the latest CentOS 5.4 ISO's on the > HOSEF mirror here: > http://mirror.hosef.org/centos/5.4/isos/ > > I also pulled down the latest Fedora Beta 12 DVD's: > http://mirror.hosef.org/fedora/ > > Other items of note: > - We are an official Debian mirror. > - We are an official Archlinux mirror. > - We are an official FreeBSD mirror - > Updates Daily > - We are becoming an official CentOS > mirror. > - We are becoming an official Ubuntu > Mirror. > - We mirror DRBL, OpenOffice, and the > K12LTSP informally. > > Have a browse: > http://mirror.hosef.org/ > > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org > mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] HOSEF mirror now has CentOS 5.4 and Fedora Beta 12
You can find the latest CentOS 5.4 ISO's on the HOSEF mirror here: http://mirror.hosef.org/centos/5.4/isos/ I also pulled down the latest Fedora Beta 12 DVD's: http://mirror.hosef.org/fedora/ Other items of note: - We are an official Debian mirror. - We are an official Archlinux mirror. - We are an official FreeBSD mirror - Updates Daily - We are becoming an official CentOS mirror. - We are becoming an official Ubuntu Mirror. - We mirror DRBL, OpenOffice, and the K12LTSP informally. Have a browse: http://mirror.hosef.org/ ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] AVCHD editing program
I just bought a High Def camcorder (JVC model GZ-HM200A) to recording some life moments. I noticed compared to my standard point an shoot digital camera that it records to AVCHD format. Anyone recommend a good FOSS video editing program (which supports AVCHD) that they use? Thanks, Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] traceroute missing on Ubuntu 8*
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, R. Scott Belford wrote: > > Ubuntu's built on Debian, and Debian is an extremely > stripped-down > > distro. C Compiler? not included. Basic networking > utilities? not > > included. Etcetera, etcetera. On Fedora, GCC isn't installed on a 'standard default' install. It's been like that for a long time. It's just the philosophy of a binary Linux distro vs. a source based OS like FreeBSD. In that you don't need to build so GCC isn't necessary... But is a 'yum install gcc' away. > Debian has over 20,000 packages available. Ubuntu is > in the same > area. For some reason Ubuntu ships with traceroute6 > installed, but > not traceroute. Should one wish to stay with the > command line, > "aptitude search" and "apt-cache search" help. Fedora has traceroute6 symlinked to traceroute. $ ls -l /bin/traceroute6 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 10 2009-06-14 14:28 /bin/traceroute6 -> traceroute $ rpm -q traceroute traceroute-2.0.12-2.fc11.x86_64 - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20
All, Scott has posted a video of his presentation here: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/open-source-pizza --- On Mon, 1/19/09, Robert Green wrote: > From: Robert Green > Subject: Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20 > To: "LUAU" > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 8:47 PM > Aloha, > > It's been so long since I had a free Tuesday, but > tomorrow looks promising --- do we need to RSVP? What's > the cost? Which building should I be looking for? > > Looking forward to seeing the OLPC and learning more about > DIY netbook > > Mahalo, > Rob > > --- On Mon, 1/19/09, R. Scott Belford > wrote: > > From: R. Scott Belford > Subject: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza - Tuesday, January 20 > To: "LUAU" > > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:22 PM > > The State of Affordable Computing - How Close are We to > Free? > > Marine Sciences Auditorium > The University of Hawaii > Tuesday, January 20 6:30 p.m. > > HOPE and Change abound, but what does this mean for your > computing > future? With the OLPC (One Laptop Per Child) changing the > paradigm of > affordable and portable computing, the landscape has > changed in 2009. > Computing value now is as much about the Kilowatts per Hour > as it is > about the Horsepower. Etherbooting, PXE, the > "cloud", the Atom, and > other seemingly strange words will take on a new and unique > meaning to > all those who attend this first Open Source Pizza of 2009. > > A hands-on demonstration of the OLPC computer and 3 other > netbooks > will be part of a festive array of low cost computing > solutions. Most > importantly, you can learn about HOSEF's DIY > self-assembly netbook kit > that enables you to build your own netbook computer. > Imagine building > the device that you use as your SIP phone, your > telemedicine monitor, > your television tuner, and more. > > Your presenter, R. Scott Belford, is a data and voice > architect > specializing in social engineering through open standards > technologies. HOSEF engages in inspiring tomorrow's > engineers and > entrepreneurs through hands-on experiences with computers > and network > appliances. Programs like Computer Guts and gnu/Linux > Edutainment > Learning Centers have long been fulfilling the dreams and > visions that > America's new president advocates. HOPE, Helping > Other People Excel, > requires access. We catalyze access. > > > --scott > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org > > > > > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Something Linux Related
One thing I liked about KDE3 was their version of Konsole (X terminal program). I had set up nice settings for it so it felt like Firefox with the tab shortcuts and a few other things like you could make different display settings for the title bar and the tab text. You could do this thing where you could send the text input for one window to all the other tabs. So not with KDE4 they've 'cleaned it up' so a lot of the reasons I used it in the first place are gone. They've taken out all the 'Advanced' features. I may as well be using Gnome-Terminal. Luckily I haven't upgraded my office workstation so I'm still on the Konsole version I like... A different story on my home laptop. Anyone know if I can easily run KDE3's Konsole on a KDE4 based distro? Anyone else know of another 'advanced' X terminal program that they use? - Julian --- On Fri, 7/4/08, Peter Besenbruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Peter Besenbruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [LUAU] Something Linux Related > To: "LUAU" > Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 10:35 AM > I thought I would put in something Linux related. I > installed OpenSuse on a > Virtualbox machine. It was a network install. It took > hours. Part of the > problem was that Suse's servers have the bad habit of > dying. At least it was > easy to recover. > > I installed KDE4. I was pleasantly surprised; this was the > first KDE4 from a > distro that I found usable. It was vastly better that > Fedora's aborted > monstrosity. Another benefit over Fedora, is that > Suse's X server actually > played well with Virtualbox. > > I am also playing with a Qemu image of KDE4daily. These are > regularly updated > versions of KDE4 on Ubuntu (almost daily). I am watching > the updates come > down as I write. I have seen KDE4.1 go from a painfully > slow, crash prone > desktop to something improved. It's picked up speed > (yes, even on Qemu), and > it doesn't crash as much. Sometimes, a new feature will > creep in, but I'm > still waiting for a decent bookmark tool for Konqueror. > -- > Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org > HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky > ___ > LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list > http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Fwd: Bad Random Number Generator
Reading more, this is a pretty scary bug. Here is a link to the original security advisory: http://www.us.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 The detection tool was kinda tricky to figure out how to use so more info is here: http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys#head-45e521140d6b8f2a0f96a115a5fc616c4f1baf0b So running the detection script, using myself as an example, you want to see something like this: $ perl dowkd.pl user notice: creating database, please wait /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:1: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:9: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:10: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:36: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:90: 512 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:93: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended /home/me/.ssh/known_hosts:97: 2048 bits DSA key not recommended summary: keys found: 99, weak keys: 0 A good write up here as well: http://metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ - Julian --- Peter Besenbruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tuesday 13 May 2008 13:07:47 David Kiwerski wrote: > > Interesting - I just upgraded my Mepis on this machine with > an ssh/ssl > > update. Is the update no good? > > Debian usually announces the updates several days after > actually posting them. > If you use Synaptic, it's easy to check the changelog of the > package. > -- > Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org > HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu and grub menu
Jim, The simplest option is to just comment out the Window 2000 menu item in /boot/grub/menu.lst file. eg. It would looks something like this (may vary slightly): title Windows 2000 rootnoverify (hd0,1) chainloader +1 Change it to this: #title Windows 2000 #rootnoverify (hd0,1) #chainloader +1 You should keep the other menu items as when you upgrade the kernel, the menu items will be modified. - Julian --- Jim Roby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu > list inside > the default partition.? > Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other > iterations > of the same OS,one seems like > a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the > line > Other OS and below that > Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt > accept > changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks > Jason. > > Jason Axelson wrote: > > Hi, > > You never want to uninstall grub because it is the > bootloader that > > loads ubuntu. Instead you should edit it's configuration > file. In a > > terminal type sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst > > If the default entry is already ubuntu (the default it > whatever one is > > selected when you first boot up) > > then all you need to do is change the timeout from 10 to 0 > (it should > > be around line 19) > > If you need to change the default, you would need to change > the > > default setting. But I believe that when you install Ubuntu > it makes > > Ubuntu the default anyway. > > > > Jason > > > > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Jim Roby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> Here is a Linux/Ubuntu question. > >> I just tried for the first time Ububtu, (gutsy Gibbon) I > was amazed at how > >> user friendly and well > >> designed the desktop is.This older guy runs a community > center with > >> broadband.We came upon > >> a hosed install of Win2K and decided we should try Ubuntu > to see how it is > >> received by the public. > >> It installed great,I used partitioning software included > on the live CD to > >> split the disk in two,giving > >> Ubuntu the second partition.It installed Grub with a menu > pointing to > >> Win2K.All attempts to right the Windows distro failed and I > then decided to > >> give the entire disk to Ubuantu.Now we have a boot menu > that boots Ubuantu > >> but still points to the non existant Win2K...it just yields > an error > >> message and you can go back to boot the working OS. I > would like to wipe > >> the menu which now doesn't look pro,but reading I see there > is no uninstall > >> of Grub...man pages say to over write it. > >> Is this safe? And how should I go about it? fdisk /mbr or > something like > >> that? Should I make a boot floppy first? machine has a > floppy drive. > >> > >> David Kiwerski wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Seems so, but not very active presently. > >>> > >>> > >>> Al Plant wrote: > >>> > >>> > Is the Luau list still alive? > > > >>> ___ > >>> LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > >>> http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> No virus found in this incoming message. > >>> Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: > 269.23.15/1426 - > >>> > >> Release Date: 5/10/2008 11:12 AM > >> > >>> > >> ___ > >> LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > >> http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org > >> > >> > > ___ > > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > > http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1427 - Release > Date: 5/11/2008 1:08 PM > > > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
[LUAU] Linux distros as anime characters
So I was reading this Linux article when it had this image: http://hehe2.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/anime-linux-distros.png I found it was originally from: http://juzo-kun.deviantart.com/art/Linux-tan-Lineart-23093548 (click on Full View on the left of image) ... Which led to some wallpapers: http://www.jkhp.it/OS-tan/desktops.htm - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
[LUAU] Serving Apples: Integrating Mac OS X clients into a Fedora network
http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2008/01/17/serving-apples-integrating-mac-os-x-clients-into-a-fedora-network/ A tutorial on Directory Services using OpenLDAP in a typical scenario... This is why Active Directory dominates the market. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Recommended FOSS network backup tool
Normally I use command line tools to do network backups. eg. rsync, mysqldump It works but it's time for a dedicated tool to remove the thought cycles. Also tools can have pretty graphs. Does anyone have any FOSS network backup tools that they swear by? Main requirements: - Simple to configure new backups - Supports multiple backup types. eg. Files, MySQL, etc... - Creates reports. eg. HTML pages you can look at - Optionally emails reports Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] POSTFIX......
For 3 domains, don't use MySQL unless you're using MySQL for other reasons as well. You don't need the added overhead of running a full database server. MySQL is just one of many backends. You can also just use local files. See also: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html There's probably How-To's out there on the web as well for what you want to do. - Julian --- goku ball z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Camron, > Cool here goes... =) > > I want have 3 domain on the same server. let's call them > a1.com, b2.com and c3.com > > then let say I have 3 users let's call them joe smith, joe > hill and joe atta. > > joe smith wants a email address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > joe hill wants a email address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > joe atta wants a email address as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and I don't think i am able to create a unix accout for all > of them. So I read somewhere that I need to create a non unix > account, they can't login but just get their email via web > mail or something like outlook. I heard that some people used > mysql to do it. But what I want to know is that can I do it > without using a data base. Like Qmail. you can create non > unix account users without using mysql. > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > "Camron W. Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > goku ball z wrote: > > Hi all, I have a question regarding postfix. > > > > I was searching and reading some books about postfix. But > they really didn't get in to non unix email accounts. So my > question is... > > Is there a way without using mysql database to create non > unix email accounts? I know that you can have many domains, > but I am more concern about non unix email accounts... > > > > thanks > > > > It would probably be a little easier to help if you could tell > us > exactly what you are trying to accomplish? When you say "non > unix email > accounts", it's an "all others" kind of statement. > > Best Regards, > Camron > > Camron W. Fox > Hilo Office > High Performance Computing Group > Fujitsu America, INC. > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection > around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Sonia's August Open Source Pizza talk now online
http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_-_2007#August_2007 Direct links: http://www.hosef.org/media/audio/OpenSourcePizza-SoniaLeeGushi-20070821.mp3 http://www.hosef.org/media/audio/OpenSourcePizza-SoniaLeeGushi-20070821.ogg http://www.hosef.org/media/presentations/OpenSourcePizza-SoniaLeeGushi-20070815.pdf Thanks, Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Joyous Giving
--- "R. Scott Belford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > KHON came out for a few pictures, and KITV did a marvelous > piece that > focused on precisely what we care most about - getting > computers into > the hands of those without. A few more reports are in the > works. For > now, enjoy this. (Please note that this video is in the most > restrictive > of formats. We will make another available soon) > > http://www.thehawaiichannel.com/video/14079750/index.html Direct download: http://hosef.org/media/video/kitv4-nanakuli_park-20070909.wmv Transcoded to Ogg Theora format: http://hosef.org/media/video/kitv4-nanakuli_park-20070909.ogg - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Eric Jeschke's audio and slides
Eric Jeschke's audio and slides are now online: http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_-_2007#July_2007 Direct links: http://www.hosef.org/media/audio/OpenSourcePizza-EricJeschke-20070717.ogg http://www.hosef.org/media/presentations/OpenSourcePizza-EricJeschke-20070721.pdf A reminder that Sonia Lee-Gushi from Blue Cliff Inc. will be speaking on "VistA - The Best Healthcare Anywhere": http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/august2007 Thanks, Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, August 21st - Sonia Lee-Gushi from Blue Cliff, Inc.
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. --==[ VistA - The Best Healthcare Anywhere ]==-- http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/august2007 http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com Info: Tue, Aug 21 @ 5:50-7:30pm - University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium, Room 114 - $8 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Sonia Lee-Gushi from Blue Cliff, Inc. VistA (not to be confused with Vista - the latest version of Windows from Microsoft) is a Free/Open Source Integrated Healthcare Information System that runs all hospitals and clinics under the US Veterans Administration (VA). VistA was developed and is being actively enhanced and maintained by a group of programmers and users at the VA known as the "Hardhats". VistA is now being adopted by health care practices of all kinds around the world because of its ease of use, efficiency, strong support by the VA and others, extensibility and the natural benefits conveyed by Open Source versus proprietary software. Hawaii has been at the forefront of the move to transfer this technology from its VA source to the non-VA public and private sectors and Blue Cliff Inc, located in the Manoa Innovation Center, has been a major contributor to this effort. Sonia Lee-Gushi is an Application Analyst/Educator for BlueCliff's VistA-EMR and is highly regarded within the worldwide VistA community for her knowledge and abilities. Please join us as Sonia shows us what many regard as the future of healthcare information systems. Other: Directions: on UH Campus take Dole turn north on East West Rd. – FIRST LEFT into unnamed access road to lot # 11 Mention to the guard that you are there for the Open Source Pizza presentation. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD
--- Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Linux has the SElinux extensions which are now part of the 2.6 > kernel > series, though not enabled by default, when last I checked. SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. In Fedora at least since version 3, released 2004/11/08: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq-fc3/index.html#id2825207 Not in Fedora 2 though: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/selinux-faq-fc2/index.html#id2658863 ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 22:22 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > Julian Yap wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > >> Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If > >> they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;) > > > > Would this work? :P > > > > $ yum info apt > > Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with > the official repositories? apt == yum deb == rpm $ sudo yum install apt ... Installed: apt.i386 0:0.5.15lorg3.2-10.fc7 $ sudo apt-get update You don't seem to have one or more of the needed GPG keys in your RPM database. Importing them now... Error importing GPG keys Get:1 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/ repomd.xml [1953B] Get:2 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ repomd.xml [2145B] Get:3 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ repomd.xml [2142B] Fetched 6240B in 1s (5052B/s) Get:1 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/ primary.xml [620kB] Get:2 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ primary.xml [82.0kB] Get:3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/ filelists.xml [2466kB] Get:4 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ filelists.xml [63.3kB] Get:5 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ primary.xml [2670kB] Get:6 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ filelists.xml [6462kB] Fetched 12.4MB in 27s (444kB/s) Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If > they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;) Would this work? :P $ yum info apt Loading "installonlyn" plugin Available Packages Name : apt Arch : i386 Version: 0.5.15lorg3.2 Release: 10.fc7 Size : 980 k Repo : updates Summary: Debian's Advanced Packaging Tool with RPM support Description: APT-RPM is a port of Debian's apt tools for RPM based distributions. It provides the apt-get utility that provides a simple, safe way to install and upgrade packages. APT features complete installation ordering, multiple source capability and several other useful features. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Aloha List Monitor
I've made this change. For future reference, you can make changes to your LUAU subscription here: http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau Right at the bottom of the page are links to the LUAU admins, so you don't need to email the list. Thanks, Julian --- "HawaiiDakine.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have changed my address and tried to use the change on the > web but I > still get mail at the old adress as well as the new one. Can > you kill > the old one for me please. > > Old: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > New: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Mahalo. > > Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii > > + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > [EMAIL PROTECTED] + > + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - 7.* > + > "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- > Lewis Carrol > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, July 17th - Eric Jeschke, Subaru Telescope, Hilo, HI
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. --==[ Use of open source technologies at Subaru Telescope ]==-- http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/july2007 http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com Info: Tue, July 17 @ 5:50-7:30pm - University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium, Room 114 - $8 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Eric Jeschke, Software Engineer, Subaru Telescope, Hilo, HI Subaru Telescope is a world class 8.2m telescope situated at the summit of Mauna Kea on the Big Island. The observatory (like many other institutions) is transitioning from costly proprietary systems to ones based on commodity+FOSS software. Eric will discuss the use of FOSS technologies at Subaru and other big island telescopes. He will also talk a little bit about the use of open source at big island schools. About the speaker: Eric Jeschke is software engineer at Subaru Telescope in Hilo. In the past he has also taught computer science at several universities, and been self-employed as a consultant. He holds a Ph.D. in computer science from Indiana University. Eric started the Big Island Linux Users Group in 2001. BILUG has been active in promoting the use of open source software, and in helping various schools make use of FOSS technologies. Other: Directions: on UH Campus take Dole turn north on East West Rd. – FIRST LEFT into unnamed access road to lot # 11 Mention to the guard that you are there for the Open Source Pizza presentation. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Google calendar?
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 14:45 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > Next question - why aren't the Saturday McKinley events or computer guts > etc. on this calendar? Board meetings? Because HOSEF is currently a small volunteer organization. The number of people actively involved with organizing events can be counted on one hand. Everyone works full time and everyone contributes to HOSEF as much as they can. But in the end, things don't happen without human intervention. > I usually have a conflict on > Saturdays, and I have trouble finding out what else is going on. Well, I > used to, but I just gave up a while back. Try sending an email to HOSEF-Managers. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Google calendar?
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:16 -1000, J. David Beutel wrote: > Is there, by any chance, a public Google calendar of HOSEF events such > as Cyberpizza? I'd like to subscribe. > > Cheers, > 11011011 David, Subscribe to this URL in Google Calendar: webcal://www.hosef.org/civicspace/event/ical/all/all I just tested it out and it works nicely. Another alternative is to subscribe to the HOSEF-Announce mailing list: http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-announce Thanks, Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Jim Thompson's recent talk. Slides and Audio.
Nice to see so many attendees at last Tuesday's Open Source Pizza presentation. The slides and audio are now on the web: http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_-_2007#June_2007 We have speakers lined up for the next few months (July, August and September) but we're always on the look out for future speakers. The next opening is October so you'll have ample time to prepare. Feel free to drop me an email if you're interested. If you need some ideas, here's a page I put up with some potential topics: http://www.hosef.org/wiki/Open_Source_Pizza_-_Call_For_Papers Mahalo and look forward to seeing you next month for Eric's talk. - Julian PS. Make sure you sign up to HOSEF-Announce for future announcements: http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hosef-announce ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, June 19th - Jim Thompson, Netgate
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. --==[ Linux in 2010 and beyond: The near-future of FOSS ]==-- http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/june2007 http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com Info: Tue, June 19 @ 5:50-7:30pm - University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium, Room 114 - $8 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Jim Thompson, CEO, Netgate The roadmaps for both Intel and AMD show that 16 cores will be the norm by 2010, pushed mostly by the continued march of Moore's law, and its rough doubling of transistor count ever 18 months. Physics put an end to selling clock speed, while Intel's NetBurst micro-architecture (found in the Pentium 4) fell flat on its face in front of the steam-roller powered by AMD. Intel re-tooled and is now shipping dual-core and quad-core processors. Fry's (in California) has a 2.4GHz quad-core + motherboard on sale for $499. Meanwhile AMD is shipping its dual core, dual socket designs. Intel has shown an 80 core "technology demonstration" that has 20MB of SRAM for each 3.1GHz core, and a mesh network interconnecting these cores arranged in an 8 x 10 array. Total throughput is 1 trillion floating point operations per second (1 Tflop). Intel says it anticipates shipping a similar part in 2010. Are Free and Open Source operating systems up to the task here? Do C, C ++ and Java have a place in this near-future reality? Can commonly-used "scripting" languages such as Perl, Ruby, PHP and Python 'scale' with the coming onslaught of multi-core CPUs? Join HOSEF and Jim Thompson for a rollicking discussion on these topics and others, including virtualization, ZFS (and the Linux community's NIH), the death of Nvidia, the types of computers you'll be able to buy in 2010 without bruising the budget. About the speaker: Jim Thompson was Director of Product Development at Vivato. Prior to joining Vivato, Jim Thompson founded and served as the chief technology officer at Musenki, a developer of secure, open-source wireless networking products targeted at original equipment manufacturers, wireless Internet service providers, and public access (hot spot) providers. Prior to that, Mr. Thompson was the chief technology officer and vice president of engineering at Wayport, where he designed and built Everywire, a series of products created to bring Internet access into public spaces. Prior to leaving Wayport, Jim architected and championed Wayport's move to a 100 percent wireless network. Jim Thompson was also founder and chief technology officer of Smallworks, an Internet security technology supplier to Cisco, Sterling Commerce (acquired by Computer Associates), Quadritek (acquired by Lucent), Competitive Automation (acquired by @Home), Wells Fargo, Cadence and Monsanto; Director of Engineering for Tadpole Technology; and Network Operations Center Manager for Sun Microsystems. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Fedora 7 i386 DVD on the HOSEF mirror
FYI, Fedora 7 i386 DVD is now on HOSEF mirrors: http://mirrors.hosef.org/fedora/releases/7/Fedora/i386/iso/ For other arch's, try the torrents: http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/ This month for Open Source Pizza, Jim Thompson will be speaking. Next month with have Eric Jeschke from the Big Island. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Price of freedom is a $50 saving
Ars Technica reports that the Windows tax is approximately $50: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070525-windows-tax-is-50-according-to-dell-linux-pc-pricing.html Here's another report with some fairly comparative systems: http://www.cs.uml.edu/~ntuck/dellbuntu/ + you get the added benefit of an office suite and no pre-installed 'crap ware'. I imagine some may buy these machines to re-install Windows XP. I know many people don't buy bare bones systems because the manufactures have charged them more than with Windows included (on consumer machines). - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Project Indiana: Binary distro of OpenSolaris is coming...
http://blogs.sun.com/aland/entry/svosug_project_indiana_get_the "Ian Murdock, Chief Operating Platform Strategist for Sun Microsystems, will be talking about and explaining Project Indiana. Project Indiana is a binary distribution of OpenSolaris which Ian plans to work on in an open environment, with a community on OpenSolaris.org." - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dell releasing pre-installed consumer Linux machines today
--- Peter Besenbruch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Julian Yap wrote: > > Here's the blog report: > > http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/24/15994.aspx > > > > There's a video with interviews with the Dell Linux team but > it > > comes down really slow. I've mirrored it here: > > http://hosef.org/media/video/dell_linux_20070524.ogg > > So, is anyone actually going to buy one? Are you questioning whether people would actually buy Linux pre-installed? Or whether people would actually buy a Dell laptop which is hardware support for Linux by Dell? I have an Inspiron 6000 which has the same casing as the e1505... The main difference is the processor as multi-core processors didn't exist back then when I was in the market to buy a new laptop. I also picked the model that I have because it was well supported (non-Windows OS wise) with an Intel chipset, Intel integrated graphics and drivers... Over time, things have improved as well such as the SD card reader works, suspend/hibernate works nicely and the promise of better battery life with the 2.6.21 kernel. So I applaud the fact that Dell has brought out hardware supported consumer machines. It means you don't need to spend time researching sites like this: http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Dell releasing pre-installed consumer Linux machines today
Here's the blog report: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/24/15994.aspx There's a video with interviews with the Dell Linux team but it comes down really slow. I've mirrored it here: http://hosef.org/media/video/dell_linux_20070524.ogg - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] New utility for tickless kernel to help tune battery life
Interesting new utility called PowerTOP: http://www.linuxpowertop.org "A typical Linux distribution has many components that wake the processor up frequently for no good reason. In our testing with PowerTOP, we have seen many cases where with some simple fixes, the battery life of typical laptops was increased by one hour or more!" ... It's led to a flurry of patches and power saving tips: http://www.linuxpowertop.org/known.php - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, May 14th - GotVoice
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. --==[ Building a Large-scale VOIP Application with FOSS Tools ]==-- http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/may2007 http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com Info: Tue, May 14 @ 5:45-8:30pm - University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium, Room 114 - $8 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Martin Dunsmuir, Founder & Chief Technical Officer, GotVoice Learn how a local company, GotVoice, provides Software & Services using a programmable bridge between telephone voicemail and the Internet to deliver a wide range of unique voice-messaging applications. Built entirely from FOSS tools, this is a great example of how Free Software serves as a catalyst for entrepreneurs. By taking advantage of the LAMP stack, Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP, innovators can create an infinite array of web-based services. About the speaker: Martin Dunsmuir, Founder & Chief Technical Officer, GotVoice. He is the architect and lead-developer of all GotVoice's core technologies. With over 25 years experience in building systems software Martin started his career at Logica PLC in London, UK before emigrating to the US and holding a number of senior technical positions at Microsoft and Real Networks. He founded GotVoice in 2003. Martin holds a M.A. in Physics from Oxford University. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, April 17th - OahuTech
--- Edward Haddock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aloha, > How would I get there from Wahiawa? Do I need to validate > parking or > anything like that? Edward, Directions: on UH Campus take Dole turn north on East West Rd. FIRST LEFT into unnamed access road to lot # 11 Mention to the guard that you are there for the Open Source Pizza presentation and you'll be fine. I'll add those further instructions to my future mail outs. See you there, - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, April 17th - OahuTech
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. We are in the early stages of HOSEF's 2007 fundraising campaign. http://hosef.chipin.com/ http://hosef.org/civicspace/donate Please consider donating to HOSEF. Mahalo! --==[ Virtualization and XenSource ]==-- Info: Tue, Apr 17 @ 5:45-8:30pm - University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium, Room 114 - $7 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Michael Bishop, President/CEO, OahuTech What is Virtualization? Virtual Servers? Virtual Machines? How will these technologies benefit me and my business? What kinds of Virtualization software is available and why should I choose one over the other? Bring your questions about Virtualization and we'll do our best to answer them. Virtualization can provide great benefits including a reduction in the number of servers needed, streamlined server deployment, reduced development time, and easier server management. Essential terms such as full virtualization, para-virtualization, and virtual machines will be discussed. We'll also discuss current virtualization software such as Xen, OpenVZ, XenSource, VMware, Virtuozzo, and conclude with a demo of XenSource. About the speaker: Michael Bishop has worked in the IT industry for the past 10 years. He has been an advocate of Free and Open Source software and has used and managed virtual servers for over 5 years. Michael is currently the President/CEO of OahuTech which provides complete technology solutions for businesses in Hawaii. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Debian script question and whale song
--- Brian Chee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So the problems are: > > 1. The script doesn't run at startup Can you run the script normally? ie. Executable permissions on the script are there. > 2. The script isn't restarting the audio. Because of the first issue? - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dis N Dat
Jaques, See below for some of my responses. On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 19:05 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mar 30, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Jacques L. Yerby wrote: > > Some questions: > > 1. You guys have been partial to Ubuntu in the past. What is/are > > the more > > popular easy to install distributions these days? > > I'd say the majority of the list is partial to fedora, with ubuntu > (all flavors) a close second. I usually recommend people to http://distrowatch.com for the most popular distros. Ubuntu focuses on the desktop and is easy to install from the Live CD. > > 2. I usually pre-allocate my partition space for Linux. I don't > > trust auto > > partitioning. What's a recommended partition size for Linux? > > I trust auto-partitioning, unless its an internet-connected server, > with the requirement > to keep the root, /usr and /var filesystems "safe" from being > filled. Otherwise, these > days I normally build a big / and mount that. Yeah, auto-partitioning is fine in the more popular distros. Like Jim said, you can just put everything in / and create a swap partition. If you're installing a server you might like to partition things up more. > > 4. Multiple Linux boots: Are most distributions similar enough > > that one can > > install then into the same partion(s) and give each kernel a > > different name > > in the /boot directory? Or would it be better to create a > > separate /boot for > > each distribution. I am assuming that /usr /var /etc and the rest > > are pretty > > standard across the Linux universe or am I wrong. > > Most of the differences are user-land, so no. I at times have multiple distros. I keep them under separate / partitions (well, I have a shared /home partition too)... But the /boot partitions differ in the way that the different distributions handle package management and installing new kernels... So you wouldn't want to have a shared /boot partition between installed distros. Different distros handle the /boot/menu/grub.conf file differently for instance and have different kernel naming schemes. When I have multiple distros running, I have a main Grub install and just add in the other distros to that menu... For any other distro you install, just don't install Grub to the MBR. eg. grub.conf default=0 hiddenmenu title Fedora Core 6 root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.fedora ro root=LABEL=/fedora6 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.fedora.img title Ubuntu 6.10 root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.ubuntu ro root=LABEL=/ubuntu606 initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.ubuntu.img title Crappy Windows rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader +1 > > 2. Will Linux run under the Parallel software? Yep. I've seen YouTube videos. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] hosef MIRROR
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 23:13 -1000, Vince Hoang wrote: > > > 2. Can we place the ISO snapshot of Current 7.* in > > > development on the mirror? They update it about every 2 > > > months. > > When the new hard disks are installed we should have more space, > so all I would need is an rsync target for the snapshots. > > If you follow -CURRENT, you might as well be updating via cvsup > and run mergemaster/buildworld/installworld. I tend to use Portsnap. Since FreeBSD 6.0, it's comes with the base setup. I'd say that would be a better way forward vs. Cvsup. --> See also: http://www.daemonology.net/portsnap/ > > I'd also like AMD64 images (for the latest production release > > only should be fine). > > I updated the scripts to grab -RELEASE versions of 6.2 and up > of i386 and amd64. When 7.0 is released, the scripts should > automatically pull those ISO files without any changes to the > rsync scripts. Cool. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] hosef MIRROR
On Sun, 2007-03-25 at 16:24 -1000, HawaiiDakine.com wrote: > 1. Why is the size of the ISO file for free BSD 6.2 on the Hosef mirror > small compared with the ones I download from the FreeBSD site? > I would like to copy the disc1 and disc2 ISO's for the 6.2 RELEASE > version. I usually use the Australia mirror now for updates. On HOSEF.org, it's shown in Megabytes. So 6.2-RELEASE-i386-disc1.iso = 573.3M On FTP mirrors it's in Kilobytes (so 587138 KB). Is that what you mean? Make sure you do MD5/SHA checks, too. > 2. Can we place the ISO snapshot of Current 7.* in development on the > mirror? They update it about every 2 months. I'd also like AMD64 images (for the latest production release only should be fine). - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Top 10 Best / Worst Cities For Software Developer Pay
--- Maddog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think it's more of a supply and demand proposition. There > are not a lot of > software development companies here and worker demand is low, > therefore > employers can pay whatever workers will accept and workers > have to accept > what is offered or not work. I think it's also a case of lack of talent pool (which has been mentioned earlier). > In some sectors there is a high demand, such as network > engineers. There are > several network integrators that have had to hire workers from > out of state. > Higher demand means better wages and employees have the upper > hand and can > demand more money. The employer has to accept the higher > salary demand > unless he wants to take his chances and look outside the state > to find > someone for less (unlikely). Is there greater demand for Network Engineers in Hawaii per capita? Or more so, there is a requirement for X number of Network Engineers for Hawaii as a whole as a necessity. Similarly Systems Administrators... "Just to get the job done". Do Network Engineers command higher wages or just relatively competitive wages in comparison to the US as a whole? > So if Lingle was to "do something" about the situation, it > would be to > encourage more software development companies to move here, > i.e., tax > breaks. That would increase demand and competition for better > workers and > would increase salaries. Agreed. It's the same concept that Network Engineers/SysAdmins do not make an industry. But who would want to come en masse when we don't have the tech workers to fulfil the demand? Correct me if I'm wrong. For example, why does Intel invest in Vietnam: "A very vibrant population, an increasingly strengthened education system, a strong workforce and a very forward-looking government." - http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-11-18-vietnam_x.htm On the software development front, I really think that Free Software/Open Source is the path that Hawaii should take. But it seems as Free Software/Linux/etc.. has matured, Hawaii hasn't matured with it? There was more traffic back in 2002 on LUAU than there is now. But there are more Linux desktops and servers installed now. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] hosef MIRROR
On Wed, 2007-03-21 at 18:13 -1000, HawaiiDakine.com wrote: > > Who maintains the hosef Mirror for us? Pretty much Vince Hoang. I help out occasionally on that side of things if things get wedged. > I would like to ask about an addition to the FreeBSD segment. Yep, that would be good, I agree. We lack hard disk space. We're still waiting on a couple of payments from some individuals who wanted to donate some dollars towards getting some bigger hard disk drives. So just a friendly reminder to those. The server also houses other things such as the HOSEF web site, mailing lists, etc... - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] AMD 500 CPU
Yeah, HOSEF has quite a few P3's pre-installed with Edubuntu 6.06LTS. There are some nice ones with SCSI disk drives that came in a whole batch... and P2's a plenty. All pre-installed and tested. Naturally you and install your favorite libre OS. McKinley Adult School is closed this coming Saturday for spring break but you can come by Saturday March 31st. Come by or email the HOSEF-Managers list for more details. - Julian --- Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm nearly certain that HOSEF would be more than willing to > sell off > one of the PII boxes for an 'attractive price'. > > On Mar 21, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Robert Green wrote: > > > What sort of performance do you need? I have a working > Compaq celeron > > box in the garage (500 or 600 Mhz, I think) that your friend > can have, > > complete with a DVD drive and the win 98 license & install > CD =-) > > > > Aloha, > > > > Rob > > > > --- "HawaiiDakine.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Aloha. > >> > >> Does anyone know where I can pick up a AMD 500 CPU. (Cheap > I hope). > >> There used to be a couple of Used Computer places on the > Island but > >> the > >> ones I know of don't seem to be around any longer. > >> > >> I need to put together a FreeBSD box so a friend can run an > old DOS > >> program on top of it. He needs this progam for his Printing > Business. > >> And the company has long been out of business. > >> > >> Last time I priced an older CPU I found I could buy a mobo > and new > >> CPU > >> for just a bit more. Is this still the case? > >> > >> Al Plant - Honolulu, Hawaii > >> > >> + http://hawaiidakine.com + http://freebsdinfo.org + > [EMAIL PROTECTED] + > >> + http://internetohana.org - Supporting - FreeBSD 6.* - > 7.* + > >> "All that's really worth doing is what we do for others."- > Lewis > >> Carrol ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Ian Murdock’s Weblog » Joining Sun
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 20:39 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > Ian Murdock (the "Ian" in "Debian") has gone to work at Sun > Microsystems. I wonder if Sun has talked to Daniel Robbins of Gentoo recently. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Top 10 Best / Worst Cities For Software Developer Pay
Out of interests sake, this is what you get when you sort by the Cost of Living column. Top 10: CitySalary --- San Francisco $92,570 206 $ 44,937 San Jose$99,250 192 $ 51,693 Oakland $92,570 180 $ 51,428 San Diego $85,280 177 $ 48,181 New York$89,370 177 $ 50,492 Honolulu$67,840 175 $ 38,766 Los Angeles $82,540 153 $ 53,948 Long Beach $82,540 153 $ 53,948 Boston $87,540 145 $ 60,372 Washington, DC $82,100 142 $ 57,817 The figure that sticks out like a sore thumb is that Honolulu pays at least $14,000 LESS than the next lowest raw salary in the top 10. Why does Hawaii pay so little when the cost of living is so high? - Julian (apologies for the quick post) On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 22:04 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > Honolulu does not rank well on this: > > http://www.delatores.com/blog/default.aspx?id=14&t=Top-10-Best-Worst- > Cities-For-Software > > While Honolulu ranks fourth from the top in raw salary levels, when > adjusted for cost of living, Honolulu ranks *dead last*. > > Perhaps Lingle should do something about this, too, if she wants to > increase tech in Hawaii. > > jim > > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Top 10 Best / Worst Cities For Software Developer Pay
On Sun, 2007-03-18 at 22:04 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > Honolulu does not rank well on this: > > http://www.delatores.com/blog/default.aspx?id=14&t=Top-10-Best-Worst- > Cities-For-Software > > While Honolulu ranks fourth from the top in raw salary levels, when > adjusted for cost of living, Honolulu ranks *dead last*. Houston is 4th. Honolulu comes in at 39th at the raw salary level @ '$67,840'. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, March 20th - eHawaii.gov
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. --==[ eHawaii.gov - Managing an Enterprise Network with Open Source Software ]==-- http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/march2007 Info: Mar 20 • Tue • 5:45-8:30pm • University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium - Room 114 • $7 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Aaron Collins, Systems Administrator, eHawaii.gov Open Source software has become an important part of the State of Hawaii’s network. Hawaii Information Consortium the company responsible for managing the State of Hawaii’s portal eHawaii.gov knows how powerful Open Source is. They use Open Source software to manage their enterprise network. Aaron Collins will discuss not only how they manage such a large network with Free Software and open tools, but how to keep it secure and as highly available as possible. About the speaker Aaron Collins is a 24 year old Systems Administrator with over eight years of experience in the IT industry. Starting in tech support at a local ISP in Arizona where he grew up, he quickly worked is way up to being a Junior Admin in less than a year and was managing an ISP by age 18. From there he went on to do security for credit unions utilizing his security skills he learned from his days hacking with underground hacking legends such as UPT, CDC and L0PHT. After going to school at the University of Hawaii at Manoa he took a position managing and securing the State of Hawaii’s web site eHawaii.gov. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Dell opens up Linux Survey - Take it!
Dell is listening. Answering the 6 questions will to help Dell determine "how to best prioritize our resources for this effort". (Survey will be open March 13-March 23). http://www.dell.com/linuxsurvey The Dell Inspiron 6000 pages on my web site have received over 10,000 page views. It's hard to say how many people then went on to purchase a Dell Inspiron notebook based off my notes but I know that similar web pages helped my decision making process. - Julian How I answered: 1. Would your Dell system with Linux factory installed be for home or office use? Both as I already do. 2. Which systems should we prioritize on for Linux factory installation? Inspiron notebooks, Latitude business notebooks, Dimension desktops, OptiPlex business desktops, XPS notebooks, XPS desktops 3. What types of activities will you perform on your Dell system with Linux factory installed? Basic productivity, Software development, Web browsing, Email... 4. Which languages should we prioritize on? English 5. For a tested & validated Linux install, what type of software support would you require? Existing community support structures for Linux that already exist with Dell participating more 6. Which Linux distribution should Dell prioritize on? Community Supported: Fedora ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, February 20th - OpenOffice.org
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. A reminder that Open Source Pizza is held on the 3rd Tuesday of each month. --==[ OpenOffice.org: The Time is NOW! ]==-- http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/february2007 Info: Feb 20 • Tue • 5:45-8:30pm • University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium - Room 114 • $7 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Chris Stark, University of Hawaii Find out what it means to have complete control and ownership over your own data. In these times of changing data formats and vendor lock-in, find your way to digital freedom, and discover the long list of benefits to migrating to OpenOffice.org. Come see why OpenOffice.org is a tool that should be a part of any educational program, K-12 or higher education. About the Speaker Chris Stark has worked in IT at the University of Hawaii for the past 10 years. He is finishing up his Master's Degree in Educational Technology, and he currently manages the network at the UH Manoa College of Education. The college now relies heavily upon Free and Open Source Software for day to day operations and in support of curricula. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Sun adds further comments to GPLv3 Solaris possibilities
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6157761.html A GPLv3 Solaris kernel would be good news for the Free Software community as it would mean they could leave the Linux kernel (and the politics) where it vocally wants to stay at GPLv2. Schwarz on the other hand is a supporter of GPLv3: And regarding Java, Schwartz said in an interview: "We did version 2 with Java because version 3 wasn't out. When we have version 3, Java will likely go to 3." Solaris vs. Linux actually understands issues: For his part, Schwartz said patent protections expected in GPLv3 make it more appealing than the current GPLv2. It's a "license you can use without fear of a patent attack," he said. - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] From the Star Bulletin
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would like to maybe try to get our LUG up here to start > doing some of the > things I have been watching you all do for the past few years. Jon, are you from Hawaii? - Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] PFOSSCON 2007 audio recordings are up
In case you were not able to attend the event or would like a re-cap, audio for the conference is now online: http://www.hosef.org/wiki/PFOSSCON_2007_media Slides for the Dave Roberts and Barton George presentations should hopefully reach my Inbox this week. Scott Belford is working on the video. It was really great to have a well attended event with students, business folk and the general public in attendance. BYUH did well and made an excursion of the event. Thanks to all who attended and helped to put it on. I'm looking forward to building upon this event for the future. I'd be interested in any thoughts or comments from attendees? :P Here are some pictures as well: http://hosef.org/gallery2/v/exhibitions/PFOSSCON2007/ - Julian PS. Audio recordings voluntarily created and post-produced by Daniel Ho. PLEASE NOTE: Due to technical glitches, there is a split-second electronic glitch every few seconds during the Introduction and the first 5 minutes of Richard Stallman's speech. There is also a small stretch of about 5 minutes in Stallman's speech where a recording made by Ron Fox was stitched in. Stallman's speech from the 9 minutes 32 seconds point onward is perfect, as are the rest of the recordings. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Open Source Pizza for Tuesday, January 16 - Moodle
HOSEF is proud to present the following public lecture and presentation. Please join us. A reminder that PFOSSCON is next week (http://www.pfosscon.org). --==[ Moodle - A Free, Open Source Course Management System for Online Learning ]==-- http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/opensourcepizza/january2007 Info: Jan 16 • Tue • 5:45-8:30pm • University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium - Room 114 • $7 if you want pizza and drink Speaker: Dwayne Abuel, Technology Coordinator, Highlands Middle School A user of Moodle since 2005, and user of Mac, Windows, and some Ubuntu linux. Dwayne is with the department of education, at Highlands Middle School as a Technology Coordinator for the passed four years. He has been with the department for over ten years. This session will provide a brief background on why Moodle was initiated at Highlands Middle as an extended classroom tool, brief demonstration of how it works, a short personal experience by Russell Ogata (Physical Education instructor who is integrating this technology into his classroom), how this could benefit your school (easier than writing HTML and JAVA), and some pros and cons as an administrator/user of Moodle. ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] iPhone - closed as closed can be
"We define everything that is on the phone," he said. "You don’t want your phone to be like a PC... These [iPhones] are devices that need to work, and you can’t do that if you load any software on them," he said. "That doesn’t mean there’s not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn’t mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment." - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/technology/11cnd-apple.html I wouldn't be surprised if they throw in hardware DRM to the mix as well. Thankfully there's alternatives: http://www.openmoko.com/press/ http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/greenphone ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] PFOSSCON 2007
On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 20:35 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote: > > > Please register now and join us on January 20, 2007 from 10-5. > > > > I recommend you post an agenda or schedule of events as not everyone can > > devote a full 7 hours on a weekend. > > I agree, an agenda would be very good. We should have the agenda finalized in the next day or 2. I'll update the web site then and send out an email to registrants. Any general comments/feedback regarding the agenda? ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Warren Togami - Cyberpizza talk on January 2, 2007, on the Fedora Project
Warren will be speaking this coming Tuesday evening in a presentation organized through HOSEF. Unfortunately Warren wasn't able to extend his stay to be on island for PFOSSCON (http://www.pfosscon.org) so this is a rare chance to see him speak before he flies back to the mainland. --==[ The Fedora Project ]==-- http://www.cyberpizzahawaii.com Info: Jan 2 • Tue • 5:45-8:30pm • University of Hawaii Manoa Campus: Marine Science Building Auditorium - Room 114 • $7 if you want pizza and drink Tonight we are exploring the Fedora Project. What it is? How it works? Why it is important to you? How do you get involved if you decide you want to? Warren will answer your questions and demo the Fedora Desktop Fedora Server Software and he will demo Xen virtualization. Don't know what that is and why you may want? Come to the meeting! Microsoft will be out with a new expensive operating system for you to buy at the end of the month. These guys think there is a better way to go. Are they on to something or is this blue sky? Bring your questions with you tonight. Warren founded the original Fedora Linux during late-2002 as a collaborative volunteer project while an undergrad in Computer Science at the University of Hawaii. Fedora has since become the research & development vehicle of Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE: RHT). Today Warren continues work on the Fedora Project as a software engineer and community catalyst. Sign up and receive free parking by sending an email with your name and phone number, before noon on Tuesday, to Courtney Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Oracle Unbreakable Linux - 9000 downloads in first 30 days
"Oracle Unbreakable Linux" was downloaded 9,000 times in the first 30 days, according to Oracles president Chuck Phillips: http://seekingalpha.com/article/22626 It could be argued that the first 30 days would mark the peak in interest for Oracle's rebranded Linux. Comparatively, Fedora Core 6 received more actual installations in a day (and it's 5 CD download): http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3644636 RHT is now trading higher than it was before the Oracle and Novell/MS announcements: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=rht You'd make a nice profit if you bought at $14.83 on October 26th. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Anyone use a Linksys NSLU2? USB hard disk drives are FOSS friendly?
Things are starting to get unwieldy and the amount of HD storage required for files which can be offloaded (namely music, photos) has increased to the point where I need to consider other storage options. Basically I want a cheap NAS (and that cheap to run, so not a PC). Anyone use a Linksys NSLU2? Any good? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 Recommend any of the alternative firmwares on this site over any of the others? http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ I'm thinking of getting one of these and a 'Sunday paper brochure insert' USB hard disk drive. Another question is, do USB hard disk drives require any Windows/Mac software to be operational? In other words, are they all pretty much Free Software OS friendly? ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] HDs for mirrors.hosef.org
On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 14:24 -1000, HawaiiDakine.com wrote: > Can anyone recommend a spam blocker, with a how to, that works? I was > told that Spam Assissin is good, but I tried it and it does not kill off > the spam and return it to sender. It does mark it as spam, but I could > do the same manually. You could try playing with the Spam Assassin settings first since you have that installed. Otherwise LavaNet's implemented Greylisting recently to dramatic effect. This page is a good overview of Greylisting mechanics: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Spam-Filtering-for-MX/greylisting.shtml A quick search for 'freebsd greylist' shows milter-greylist pretty prominently: http://hcpnet.free.fr/milter-greylist/ ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Love of disagreements
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 23:45 -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > On Thu, 21 Dec 2006, Jim Thompson wrote: > > Eben Moglen has participated in a great many technical discussions. > > Its part of his vocation (job) and avocation (the thing he loves). > > Do we have the same definition of technical? I'm talking about technical > software discussions. I.e. design, implementation, etc. If Eben Moglen > participates in these discussions, then this is the first time I've heard > of it. Are there any references? I would be very interested to hear his > thoughts on OOP. Here's a reference: http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/resume.html His official resume. Note the line: 1979-84, IBM Corporation, San Jose, California, Programmer/Analyst, Programming Language Research & Development. > > Scott didn't say "LUAU = HOSEF; HOSEF = LUAU;", I did. > > http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2006-December/017515.html > > Jim is correct that HOSEF=LUAU, and you are correct that LUAU is not owned > by HOSEF. > That's really taking Scott's quote out of context. "Correct. HOSEF does not "own" LUAU. HOSEF is the entity that has managed and sustained LUAU. Jim is correct that HOSEF=LUAU, and you are correct that LUAU is not owned by HOSEF. LUAU does not magically exist, though, and there is real work and sacrifice behind this thing so many take for granted." Now Jim's statement was in reaction to Matt Darnell's in reference to http://mirrors.hosef.org: http://lists.hosef.org/pipermail/luau/2006-December/017494.html "I am sure HOSEF has a box it could donate to LUAU." So bear in mind that Jim's comment was in a reply to Matt's comment about the mirror server. And like you said: "LUAU doesn't have a leader, there's no phone number, there's no monthly meetings. There's no treasury. LUAU, at the end of the day, is just a file with a list of email addresses on someone's computer. Apparently, at the moment, it's lists.hosef.org." While that does simplify the amount of effort put into the long term existence of LUAU, it's essentially what LUAU is. A mailing list of 170 currently active email addresses. It's good we're clarifying some things so we'll know how to phrase things in the future and further solidify where things stand. In the end, like the point I was trying to make earlier, we're all in it together. ~ Julian PS. Please help spread the word of PFOSSCON. We need registrants and attendees to ensure that these type of events can continue to be held our islands. PFOSSCON costs nothing to attend and registration takes only a minute. We have confirmed that PFOSSCON will be held at the University of Hawai`i, Business Administration Building, room BUSAD A101. We are in the process of confirm another 1 or 2 speakers and will finalize the day's schedule after that. http://www.pfosscon.org/ ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 17:10 -1000, Vince Hoang wrote: > On Sat, Dec 16, 2006 at 11:32:48AM -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > > Personally, I'd rather have a Debian/Ubuntu .deb respository, a > > Fedora rpm repository, and a local CVSup tree for freebsd than > > a bunch of ISO images. (Does anyone install from the full ISO > > set any more?) > > I personally agree with you, but folks on the list have tended to > ask more for ISOs than repository mirrors. Historically, it has > only been me and Scott that have consistently used the non-ISO > parts of the mirror. > > The server currently only supports PATA. With you and Matt > chipping in for new disks, we would be moving from a 250GB > partial RAID1 file mirror to over a 600GB RAID1 file mirror. > > With the additional space, more repositories can be added back. > CVSup for FreeBSD would be neat, but we need a working cvsup and > modula3 library for Debian. I'll throw my hat into looking into and becoming an official Fedora mirror. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 16:30 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: > Jim Thompson wrote: > > LUAU is HOSEF. HOSEF is LUAU. > > > Who said so? As of 2005, Hawaii has an estimated population of 1,275,194. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Hawaii We're far too small to have this kind bickering and infighting. I personally came to this island a bit over a year ago because when I had visited here previously, I liked the sense of community. I really don't get the whole HOSEF vs. LUAU thing. What is the actual 'issue'? What would it take to have this issue 'go away'? I'd rather see us pool our talents and efforts together moving forward. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] PFOSSCON 2007 Registration
PFOSSCON (Pacific Free and Open Source Conference) will be held during the day on Saturday January 20 at the University of Hawaii. Our currently confirmed speakers are: - Richard Stallman, founder of GNU Project and Free Software Foundation - Barton George, a member of Linux Strategy and Product Management for Sun Microsystems. Barton was born and raised in Hawaii as well as being a Punahou graduate. We've also dropped the entrance fee (to $0) and changed the venue (to UH from the Hawaii Convention Center). The idea is to make it easier for students (etc) to attend, both by making the cost zero as well as holding the event on Saturday. We are confirming the venue and a couple more speakers. The official web site should be launched some time early this week (http://www.pfosscon.org). Please, please consider registering for the event. Even if you have the slightest notion that you will be attending: http://www.hosef.org/civicspace/pfosscon2007_registration Registering will help us secure additional resources and sponsorship by providing some firm expected attendance numbers. Mahalo, Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 09:08 -1000, Matt Darnell wrote: > > The ISOs for various releases have squeezed out most of the > > updates, so Julian is correct, only updates for the Debian and > > SuSE repositories are available. As the ISOs get larger, the SuSE > > repository will drop, and finally Debian. > > Vince, > > I am looking at a couple of 100+ GB IDE hard drives. > > Does the current box have room, or can you use them to bring up a > seperate server for the updates? The current HOSEF server at UH is fully loaded with hard disk drives. To be exact: 2x80GB, 4x160GB HD > I am sure HOSEF has a box it could > donate to LUAU. Hardware is a non-issue. HOSEF/LUAU needs the administrative volunteers. This also includes volunteers to co-ordinate with UH or any other provider who is willing to donate rackspace and bandwidth at non cost. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] "YouTube is almost entirely written in Python"
A recent post from Guido van Rossum, creator of the Python programming language: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-December/070323.html "And I just found out (after everyone else probably :-) that YouTube is almost entirely written in Python. (And now I can rub shoulders with the developers since they're all Googlers now... :-)" Python.org has a quote too: http://www.python.org/about/quotes/ "Python is fast enough for our site and allows us to produce maintainable features in record times, with a minimum of developers," said Cuong Do, Software Architect, YouTube.com. In case you thought that Python or dynamic languages don't scale or that you've been FUD'd into believing you need to use Java or .Net for the web. That may be true in some corporate environments but you're probably not going to get acquired for $1.65 billion. You can tell that a lot of YouTube uses MySQL and a hell of a lot of database replication to cope with the custom queries for different sections. It's like, hmm, over hear it says 19,622 views and over here in the related box it says it's had 15,613 views. Mind you, all of the major bandwidth for the videos is handled by 3rd parties. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 17:37 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > On 12/14/06, Julian Yap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can > > tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong. > > > > What distribution do you use? > > Fedora core 5 currently. Guess I am out of luck. > > So if I was a yum expert, what Vince said would be all I needed to know? I > could just peek at the repository and that would tell me? Preferably you'd need to know the settings but you could reverse engineer the settings, mostly. You'd need to know the directory structure of the Base URL of the repository as a bare minimum. The gpgkey location also helps. For example, the official baseurl for a 3rd party repository, Livna is: http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/ This you could guess by browsing to to the URL http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/ if that was the only thing provided to you. Say if you're running Fedora Core 6 on an AMD 64 CPU you could then potentially hard code the 'baseurl' parameter in repository settings to http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/6/x86_64/. Then again, you probably would not be able to guess that the gpg-key is at the URL http://rpm.livna.org/RPM-LIVNA-GPG-KEY But yeah, check out the files in /etc/yum.repos.d/ for more examples as well as the man page for yum.conf. If you modify your main Fedora Core repository to point to the one repository (as opposed to the mirror list), you lose out in redundancy, say if that one repository you point to is down. If you're worried up Yum download speed, you can install the package 'yum-fastestmirror'. Description: This plugin sorts each repository's mirrorlist by connection speed prior to downloading packages. > Hmm, the knoppix directory seems pretty old. You guys need some help with > the updating? Updating (I think Vince kicked into gear just then). http://mirrors.hosef.org/knoppix/ ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong. The Suse updates are here: http://mirrors.hosef.org/suse/i386/update/10.0/ What distribution do you use? Yep, there's no pages on the Wiki with instructions on how to set up the repository. The Wiki uses MediaWiki, the same software which runs Wikipedia... But yeah, sometimes there's idiosyncrasies with the search.. I think it disregards single search words with less than 4 characters. See also: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Searching#Avoid_short_and_common_words ~ Julian On Thu, 2006-12-14 at 10:55 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: > Hi Vince and everyone, > Is there anything on the hosef wiki or anywhere with specific info about > setting up yum to use this repository? I of course can read the friendly man > page or online tutorials for general info, but I could use some specific > info about the hosef repository and suggestions for use, for instance: > > * Should I replace my old repository/repositories with this one or just add > it to the list? > * Is there a gpg key somewhere? > * Any other useful hints regarding how it is intended typically to be used? > > The wiki search seems a bit broken. (Maybe 'yum' is too short? When I search > for yum I get nothing, when I search for "yum.conf" I get a few hits with > yum and conf in the same page, never any actual 'yum.conf' hits.) > > I promise to be a good newbie and put something somewhere in the wiki if > someone who knows what's what sends an email with some useful info. > > mahalo, > Dave the eternal newbie > > On 12/13/06, Vince Hoang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you still have some apt/yum repositories referring to > > hosef.ics.hawaii.edu, you will want to change it soon and replace > > it with mirrors.hosef.org. The ICS-based hostname will be removed > > shortly. > > > > -Vince > > ___ > > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > > > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau > ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen
On Thu, 2006-11-23 at 10:58 -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Julian Yap wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 13:25 -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > >> YOU don't NEED to care. A lot of people don't NEED to care. As long as > >> there are people who do care and are willing to fight for those rights. > >> You'll continue to enjoy the benefits. That's how it worked in the past. > >> That's how it's going to work in the future. What you're seeing now is > >> just the process... > > > > That takes the view that there's enough people fighting for freedom in > > the first place and that they will actually win. > > True. Are you saying this view is wrong semantically, wrong ethically, or > wrong in some other way? Semantically, saying people don't need to care is wrong. It's like saying, you don't need to vote. Just replace the word 'care' with 'vote' in your first paragraph. > It's my observation that the number of people who fight (meaning actively > doing something beyond writing to your congressman) are a lot less than > the number of people who benefit. Are you suggesting otherwise? Depends what side you're 'fighting for'. You could be fighting for big business in which case the number of people who benefit is a minority (who then wield this power to do things like change laws so it stays that way). > Also, when I said peopled aren't needed to care about these issues, it > doesn't mean they aren't wanted. If people want to join the fight, I'm > sure they will be welcomed. True. We're speaking to Linux and Unix users here and to say that they don't need to care or be aware of the issues we are talking about isn't correct. Otherwise, you can disregard any thread in this mailing list that talks about such issues and continue going with the lowest cost vendor. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 13:25 -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > YOU don't NEED to care. A lot of people don't NEED to care. As long as > there are people who do care and are willing to fight for those rights. > You'll continue to enjoy the benefits. That's how it worked in the past. > That's how it's going to work in the future. What you're seeing now is > just the process... That takes the view that there's enough people fighting for freedom in the first place and that they will actually win. Take for instance DRM (Digital Rights/Restrictions Management). Technologies like that are put to unknowing users who don't know the implications... Until they want to move all their DRM'd songs to a new computer they just bought and realize the songs aren't "authored" for that computer. What if a vast majority of consumers "didn't care" and you ended up in a world where you could only by a new PC which could ONLY run Windows? This is how: http://www.xbox360-hacks.com/2005/11/25/free60-linux-on-your-xbox360-project/ Wouldn't that powerful hardware be useful for other applications? Yes, it would: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3#Linux "All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] the term "open source" is dead, says Eben Moglen
On Tue, 2006-11-21 at 18:16 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: > Jim Thompson wrote: > > The "term" Open Source was a marketing campaign, promulgated by Eric > > Raymond, > What's wrong with a marketing campaign? The more the merrier. > > If I can live comfortably on donations, I wouldn't mind insisting that > every piece of software to "free", whatever that means. Wayne The problem is that "Open Source" is a muddied definition. All it really focuses on is the development model and hence access to the source code. The term "free" too is a muddied term in the English language as many hear and think free as in $0. The Free Software (http://www.gnu.org/) movement however stands for freedom in terms of liberty, not price. As a result, an "Open Source" person can look at things without considering freedom. Proprietary software companies build of the term "Open Source" and tackle the issue in terms of convenience or cost. For example, Xen virtualization comes along as Free Software. VMWare then responds by putting out a version of their product, VMware Server, as $0. Microsoft does the same and releases Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 as $0. Are you then inclined to use either VMWare or Virtual PC? A Free Software person considers freedoms of the user and therefore opposes DRM. "Open Source" only cares if the program used to propagate DRM is "Open Sourced". ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] further thoughts on Sun using the GPL for Java
There's the 'Honolulu Coders', which is 'List for discussing both Honolulu Java Users Group and Honolulu Ruby Users group': http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/honolulu-coders/ The list activity has been very quiet since June or so. I tried earlier on in the year to contact the main co-ordinators of the group to try to have them co-ordinate efforts with HOSEF but never got any response back. I thought it was a bit rude since they had Jeff Barr speak at one of their meetings when HOSEF brought him out for TPOSSCON 2006: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/honolulu-coders/message/509 If anyone from the 'Honolulu Coders' Yahoo! group reads this. I'd still be interested in co-ordinating some joint efforts. We're a small island and it makes sense to work together instead of in separate camps. ~ Julian On Tue, 2006-11-14 at 22:12 -1000, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: > There used to be a Honolulu Jave Users Group but I haven't heard any > activity for a while. Anyone interested in reactivating it? Wayne ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Some newbie FreeBSD questions
Thanks Vince. FreeBSD makes a lot more sense now. Yeah, I was running -RELEASE. It's a bit confusing when you run the pkg_add and you see it download a file Latest.tgz but I guess it makes sense how they do it to keep everything in a fixed/known state. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dedicated Hosting
If you want co-location, you can try LavaNet, located on Bishop St: http://lava.net/sales/server_colo Disclaimer: My employer --- luau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was wondering what options there are in Hawaii for setting > up hosting services. > > Paul ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Sun releases Java under the GPL
http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ I think it's great that Sun chose the GPL. Really impressive. Is 4Q meant to be 'big news' time in the tech industry? ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 19:43 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > >> The link doesn't work. > > > Try this one instead: > > http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_%22Zod%22_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook > > I went to the site and did a search for Fedora. I got a laptop from > rCubed with Fedora 5 installed. All buttons work, and so does > hibernation. Networking is nicely automated. I understand they did a lot > of kernel patching to get things to work. Using a standard Fedora kernel > breaks a lot of stuff. Does using the standard kernel break stuff? Or do things (such as wireless cards) not work it because it doesn't include non-free or binary only drivers? > My other machines, including laptops use Kanotix. Debian's apt is so > much faster than Yum, it isn't funny. Yum in FC6 is noticeably faster. For FC <=5 Yum was totally written in Python, so for FC6, some functions were re-written in C. Yum at times can give the impression that it's slower as it randomly picks an official mirror to download from. Sometimes you get a slow mirror... But you can change that for instance by installing 'yum-fastestmirror'. Mostly Yum and Apt give the same result. They just have different approaches... So I doubt Yum will reach the 'speed' of Apt because of how Yum and RPM headers are implemented. The biggest issue I've heard about Apt is that it can't handle multi-architecture packages as well as Yum but I'm not too sure: http://lwn.net/Articles/190671/ ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Groklaw's take on Microsoft-Novell alliance
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 21:48 -1000, Michael Bishop wrote: > Very good article on the Microsoft-Novell alliance. Warrent Togami has > some good points... > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061103073628401 On a related note, this is a good speech by Richard Stallman on 'The Dangers of Software Patents': http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/audio/audio.html#UNSW04 It gives a good overview of the history and mentality of patents and why the Free Software community opposes software patents. ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 18:01 -1000, Julian Yap wrote: > On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 17:49 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > > Julian Yap wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > A quick search found few notebook write ups about FC6 so I though I'd > > > post my review. > > > > > > Link: > > > http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_"Zod"_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook > > > > The link doesn't work. > Try this one instead: http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_%22Zod%22_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
On Sun, 2006-11-12 at 17:49 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: > Julian Yap wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > A quick search found few notebook write ups about FC6 so I though I'd > > post my review. > > > > Link: > > http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_"Zod"_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook > > The link doesn't work. Try this on instead: http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_%22Zod% 22_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
Hi all, A quick search found few notebook write ups about FC6 so I though I'd post my review. Link: http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_"Zod"_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook Overall I am more that satisfied with Fedora Core 6 on my notebook. Previously I ran and used (not just installed for the fun of it) FC5, Ubuntu 6.06 and 5.10. FC6 is rock solid and the AIGLX/Compiz integration is awesome. Ubuntu always felt more flaky on my notebook. ~ Julian PS. PFOSSCON 2007 is coming... ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Some newbie FreeBSD questions
Hi all, I'm doing some reading/research to check out FreeBSD. I have installed on a virtual machine. Just have some questions for the experts on LUAU. Why is it that when I initially add a package using 'pkg_add' it doesn't grab the latest version for that package? For example, I installed firefox (installs version 1.5.0.1) and I immediately require an upgrade via Ports as the version it installs is out-of-date and insecure. How do you keep the /usr/ports directory small? On my test install it's over 1.1GB even after running portsclean with all the available options. As it is, I dedicated 4GB of space to my virtual machine and 1.2 GB to the /usr partition. So when I run 'portupgrade firefox' it runs out of disk space. If you _knew you needed to install some huge port that would take up a lot of disk space to build (say Firefox), can you make the ports directory really small? Or can you have a _very minimal Ports directory? Thanks, ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Search for LUAU
I have successfully submitted the LUAU mailing list to The Mail Archive. "The Mail Archive provides a simple service - keeping searchable archives of public internet mailing lists." You can reach the search page directly at this URL: http://www.mail-archive.com/luau@lists.hosef.org/ Originally I submitted it to another service, GMANE, but they never got back to me. Enjoy! ~ Julian ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Setup Hawaiian TelCom DSL modem from Linux
I'm not sure if the CD for HawTel requires you to actually install anything to get authenticated. It shouldn't as that would be one support headache. Should just work for all OS's. Setting the the modem to bridged mode might help. Problem is, they send them out configured with DHCP on. These days I think you'll get a Westell 2200 or a 6100. Here are links to turn off DHCP: http://lava.net/support/Westell_6100_DSL_Modem_Installation_Guide http://lava.net/support/Westell_2200_DSL_Modem_Installation_Guide ~ Julian Full disclosure: I work for LavaNet. --- Jimen Ching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm about to change my ISP from Oceanic to Hawaiian TelCom. I > received > the modem and am waiting for them to enable the DSL line. The > modem came > with a CD for Windows, with some mpg and Firefox/IE installer. > There's no > directions on what to do. I assume the autorun.exe on the CD > will provide > directions. > > Anyone know if I can configure the modem under Linux? Has > anyone gone > through the setup procedure and can give me a description of > what happens? > > Thanks... > > --jc > -- > Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list > http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau >
Re: [LUAU] short RHAT?
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 02:05 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Oct 26, 2006, at 12:03 AM, Julian Yap wrote: > > Red Hat's early response: > > > > http://www.redhat.com/promo/unfakeable/ > > I smell panic. Probably. But better this issue crop up now instead of 5 years down the track. It sure does complicate the Linux landscape. > Oracles market cap is nearly 26 X that of Red Hat. > ORCL: 96.74 Billion > RHAT: 3.73 Billion RHAT's around 2.8 Billion now. Worse would be an Oracle buy out of Red Hat. > Meanwhile, any customer in a big sales situation with Red Hat now has > a benchmark to force deep, deep discounts. This would probably annoy Red Hat the most. > Question: You're a Fortune 1000 company... you want to deploy some > linux, but you require rock-solid support from a company > with real assets and a real reputation. Your choices are: > > Red Hat, Canonical (Ubuntu), Sun (Ubuntu), Novel or Oracle. > > Who do you choose? I wouldn't say that Oracle has proven anything with their Linux support. > If you're a current Oracle, PeopleSoft, Siebel customer, its not RedHat. That's mostly the advantage of dealing with the one vendor. ~ Julian
Re: [LUAU] short RHAT?
Red Hat's early response: http://www.redhat.com/promo/unfakeable/ On another note, Fedora Core 6 ISO's for i386 are available from the HOSEF mirrors site here: http://mirrors.hosef.org/fedora/core/6/i386/iso/ ~ Julian --- Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oracle plans to offer $99/year (two cpu) support to current > Red Hat > customers. This is about 1/2 the RHAT rate for the same > offering: > > http://www.informationweek.com/software/showArticle.jhtml? > articleID=193402336&subSection=Operating+Systems > > RHAT is down over 16% (currently $16.33, lower than the 52 > week low > of 18.13) in after-hours trading.
