[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 11:57 PM Subject: [LUTE] a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Here's a shot at a rather jaunty Jigg, written in 1996, looking back to the past glories of serial composition? [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 Stuart -- References Visible links 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 Hidden links: 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - Geen virus gevonden in dit bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 10.0.1209 / Virusdatabase: 1500/3622 - datum van uitgifte: 05/07/11
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
On 08/05/2011 10:41, David van Ooijen wrote: On 8 May 2011 11:31, Andrew Gibbsand...@publicworksoffice.co.uk wrote: Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Margriet is a classical guitarist/composer from Holland. She has no compositions for lute on her page: http://www.margrietverbeek.nl/welcome.html David I emailed Margriet a while ago. I'd made a simple lute arrangement of one of her Bagatelles for piano. She was quite intrigued and she dug out and put up a pdf of a guitar piece she had written a long time ago and thought I might be able to adapt it for lute. (the guitar Partita is on this page: http://www.margrietverbeek.nl/sheetmusic2.html) At the time I thought it was just too guitaristic for lute (and too difficult). And, at the time, I thought it it just better just to play a guitar piece on a guitar! But now I think that some guitar pieces have the possibility of sounding very well on a lute. The lute and the modern classical guitar, although very close, are also in lots of subtle ways, very different and a piece written for modern classical guitar can have a different and wothwhile existence as a piece for lute. (And not just a 'guitar' piece played on a lute as you often seem to say, David) I now look at some guitar music and read it as a lute in G, so all the fiddly guitar fingering goes out of the window and the music sits lower on the fretboard. Open strings are fine. Of the four pieces of Margriet's Partita, the Jigg looked like it had the most potential. I might have very slightly violated the rules of serial composition in bar 10 of the second section but apart from that everything works well. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
I might have very slightly violated the rules of serial composition Oh dear, we have a serial killer in our midst! There must be serial-police for this kind of thing. ;-) It's remarkable how transposing a piece often takes away some of the instrument-specific characteristics. Your serial piece doesn't sound particularly lutenistic to me, but neither does it sound guitaristic. It's a kind of abstract music anyway. I often play Poulenc's Sarabande for guitar on lute, as I think it can feel very lute-like by exploiting the tone colour of the instrument (without the original shifts in position that work so well on guitar, btw). Some of the movements from Poulenc's piano suite with dances from Gervaise (can't remember it's called) I arranged for lute as well, and pair them with the 'original' dances. Here I feel the dissonances work quite well on lute; they don't feel gratuitous to me. ;-) Btw, love your videos, but hope you removed the garden ornament; poor black tit. These birds can really fight themselves to exhaustion and die, when confronted with a mirror image or even statue. David *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Ancor che col partire
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[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
On 08/05/2011 11:31, David van Ooijen wrote: Some of the movements from Poulenc's piano suite with dances from Gervaise (can't remember it's called) I arranged for lute as well, and pair them with the 'original' dances. Here I feel the dissonances work quite well on lute; they don't feel gratuitous to me. ;-) They sound interesting! I used to really like those pieces. Any chance of seeing your arrangements? I've been trying to revive my faltering efforts at playing with a plectrum and playing these fine tunes from Gervaise. Maybe a simple lute arrangement of the bottom three lines and the tune on a treble plectrum-plucked instrument would sound OK. (And, of course there are the four-course guitar versions too - old and new) Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
for fairness' sake it should be noted that that jigg is merely atonal, and not dodacaphonic, as it contains repeated notes, which are not permissible in strict 12tone composition. RT - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2011 5:57 PM Subject: [LUTE] a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Here's a shot at a rather jaunty Jigg, written in 1996, looking back to the past glories of serial composition? [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 Stuart -- References Visible links 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 Hidden links: 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q00pBvOP9r8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
For guitar, and my initial reaction was corroborated by the source. I also suspect that it would be a lot more pungent on guitar, as the consonances in the lute overtones take edge off that, and the piece seemed lacking in substance to me. Stuart, keep at it, the enlightenment value of this project is immense. RT - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
Roman, what you say about the consonances in the lute overtones is interesting. For those of us less familiar with the characteristics of both lute and guitar overtones, could you elaborate a bit about the differences? Are you saying that the guitar produces more dissonances in its overtone series? Thanks, Ned On May 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: For guitar, and my initial reaction was corroborated by the source. I also suspect that it would be a lot more pungent on guitar, as the consonances in the lute overtones take edge off that, and the piece seemed lacking in substance to me. Stuart, keep at it, the enlightenment value of this project is immense. RT - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
No, guitar procuces a lot less overtones. Hence the silver sound of them lutes. RT From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Roman, what you say about the consonances in the lute overtones is interesting. For those of us less familiar with the characteristics of both lute and guitar overtones, could you elaborate a bit about the differences? Are you saying that the guitar produces more dissonances in its overtone series? Thanks, Ned On May 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: For guitar, and my initial reaction was corroborated by the source. I also suspect that it would be a lot more pungent on guitar, as the consonances in the lute overtones take edge off that, and the piece seemed lacking in substance to me. Stuart, keep at it, the enlightenment value of this project is immense. RT - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
meant proDUCes. RT No, guitar procuces a lot less overtones. Hence the silver sound of them lutes. RT From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Roman, what you say about the consonances in the lute overtones is interesting. For those of us less familiar with the characteristics of both lute and guitar overtones, could you elaborate a bit about the differences? Are you saying that the guitar produces more dissonances in its overtone series? Thanks, Ned On May 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: For guitar, and my initial reaction was corroborated by the source. I also suspect that it would be a lot more pungent on guitar, as the consonances in the lute overtones take edge off that, and the piece seemed lacking in substance to me. Stuart, keep at it, the enlightenment value of this project is immense. RT - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek
Aha - I think I understand. More fundamental sound as opposed to overtone sound. Hence its somewhat darker (if that's the proper word) than the lute. Thanks again, Ned On May 8, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: meant proDUCes. RT No, guitar procuces a lot less overtones. Hence the silver sound of them lutes. RT From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com Roman, what you say about the consonances in the lute overtones is interesting. For those of us less familiar with the characteristics of both lute and guitar overtones, could you elaborate a bit about the differences? Are you saying that the guitar produces more dissonances in its overtone series? Thanks, Ned On May 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: For guitar, and my initial reaction was corroborated by the source. I also suspect that it would be a lot more pungent on guitar, as the consonances in the lute overtones take edge off that, and the piece seemed lacking in substance to me. Stuart, keep at it, the enlightenment value of this project is immense. RT - Original Message - From: Andrew Gibbs and...@publicworksoffice.co.uk To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 5:31 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: a twelve-tone Jigg by Margriet Verbeek Thanks Stuart - like it! Do you know: did Margriet Verbeek write this specifically for lute - or for guitar? Best Andrew On 8 May 2011, at 10:20, Stuart Walsh wrote: On 08/05/2011 07:22, Gilbert Isbin wrote: A very nice happy composition, well played and the video fits wonderfully with the music.Sounds great on the lute.! Gilbert http://users.telenet.be/gilbert.isbin/contents.html Thanks Gilbert. It's fun to play. And unusual to have twelve-tone music without the angst. And thanks to the demented tit who was going mad on a garden ornament just outside my house a few months ago. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
