[LUTE] Aquila Nylgut Problems
Dear collected lute list wisdom, I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full tension. Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? TIA Ralf Mattes P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important rehearsal ... -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aquila Nylgut Problems
Dear Ralf, I had the same experience and snapped two .42's learning that New Nylgut won't always replace the old Nylgut of the same diameter (the second course did fine). My only difference being that my mensur is 60cm. I ordered .39 NNG and that solved it. I only use nng for the 1st course, 4th 8ve and occasionally for the 2nd course (and the rest gut) so don't have experience in using it elsewhere. My guess is that in winding the old .42 ng to tension it stretched enough to actually become .39 in diameter. Nng apparantly won't stretch that long in finer diameters. Or alternately, the abrupt bend as the string leaves bridge hole may be too much for the small diameter. Old/white ng does like its stretch: It's the only string I've found that, after about 7 months as a chanterelle, that goes flat in the upper frets --leading me to believe it loses a bit more diameter in the center of its length over time. After a year of using nng I have yet to observe any intonation problems. Those older nylguts would ocassionally be tricky. I sometimes had success by winding to a 4th below pitch and waiting a while, say, an hour and then winding to a 2nd below pitch and waiting again in the theory that it needs time to adjust internally and/or in the knots. It's certainly not as forgiving as a nylon chanterelle but neither does have the nylon's sound, thankfully. Btw, I have a lute buddy whose 63cm lute has a difficult time supporting gut to that pitch and uses a .39 (or less) old ng. You might have to go back to whatever had been successful. I hope this helps. Sean On Jun 13, 2013, at 6:36 AM, R. Mattes wrote: Dear collected lute list wisdom, I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full tension. Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? TIA Ralf Mattes P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important rehearsal ... -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aquila Nylgut Problems
I've had similar problems with my 67cm lute tuned to f' (440). The string lasted a few days then snapped - this happened a couple of times. I'm now using nylon for my first course. Bill From: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 14:36 Subject: [LUTE] Aquila Nylgut Problems Dear collected lute list wisdom, I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full tension. Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? TIA Ralf Mattes P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important rehearsal ... -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg [1]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aquila Nylgut Problems
Dear Ralf, I am mostly a gut user on my instruments, but I do have 2 instruments in synthetic strings. I am familiar with the problem you are describing. First of all, I think lutes sound their best when strung with the same pitch and tension you would use for gut. In other words, if you want to have a gut treble g at a=440, if you exceed 59 cm length, it will result in string breaking prematurely. This is when using gut... the same might be for nylgut. At 63 cm, it is too long of a mensur for gut, and it also may be too long for nylgut. I have never had problems with nylon trebles breaking at 63 cm at g. Also, nylgut stretches a lot, and the diameter actually becomes smaller as it stretches. This might be your problem. Could you use nylon trebles? I think this would solve your problem. Nylon is not as bright as gut or nylgut, but I think it is more sturdy than the nylgut trebles you are using; with nylon, you would be safe in not expecting string breakage. The other option would be to use carbon, but they sound very bright, in my opinion. For now, it seems your options are to play a semi-tone lower at a=415 (this might not be appropriate, if you are in ensembles tuned at 440) , or to use nylon or carbon. I hope this helps, ed At 08:36 AM 6/13/2013, R. Mattes wrote: Dear collected lute list wisdom, I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full tension. Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? TIA Ralf Mattes P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important rehearsal ... -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1660298871ref=name http://www.myspace.com/edslute http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin
[LUTE] Re: Aquila Nylgut Problems
Dear all, I alredy posted the solution three months ago. Mimmo Peruffo suggests to dip the string(s) in boiling water for 20 seconds (it worked for me at least). Best wishes, Paolo Busato lute-maker www.busatolutes.com e-mail: paolo.busato-at-busatolutes.com _ Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati è RISERVATO e da considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui è indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati di eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003). The content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003) _ From: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 14:36 Subject: [LUTE] Aquila Nylgut Problems Dear collected lute list wisdom, I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full tension. Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? TIA Ralf Mattes P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important rehearsal ... -- R. Mattes - Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg [1]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Aquila Nylgut Problems
Would dipping well seasoned veteran NngA strings freshen them up? A I'm thinking of trying this but if it'd be more likely to kill them I think I'll pass On Thursday, June 13, 2013, Paolo Busato wrote: Dear all, I alredy posted the solution three months ago. Mimmo Peruffo suggests to dip the string(s) in boiling water for 20 seconds (it worked for me at least). Best wishes, Paolo Busato lute-maker [1]www.busatolutes.com e-mail: [2]paolo.busato-at-busatolutes.com _ Il contenuto di questa e-mail e dei file allegati Ae RISERVATO e da considerarsi utilizzabile solamente dalla persona o dall'ente cui Ae indirizzato. Se avete ricevuto questa e-mail per errore, siete pregati di eliminarla e di contattare il mittente (Legge italiana 196/2003). A The content of this e-mail and any files is CONFIDENTIAL and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email and any attachments and contact the sender. (Italian Law 196/2003) _ A From: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de A To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu A Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013, 14:36 A Subject: [LUTE] Aquila Nylgut Problems A Dear collected lute list wisdom, A I just tried to switch my (late) medieval lute from A all gut to all nylgut, everything fine, except: the top A strings (63cm / g' @ 440 Hz - using 0.42mm) can't be put up to full A tension. A Both strings imediately break directly at the bridge. Strangely A the aren't even close to their breaking point (at least they still A feel quite elsatic). Bridge design can't be the problem - the A bridge is rather soft and well worn out (and I never had a broken A top at the bridge, even in much thinner gut). A Is this a known problem. Did I get samples from a bad batch? A TIA Ralf Mattes A P.S.: off course this always happens the day before an important A rehearsal ... A -- A R. Mattes - A Hochschule fuer Musik Freiburg A [1]r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de A To get on or off this list see list information at A [2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html A -- References A 1. mailto:r...@inm.mh-freiburg.de A 2. [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.busatolutes.com/ 2. http://paolo.busato-at-busatolutes.com/ 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [Le_luth] composition de Léo Brouwer pour archiluth
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[LUTE] CXXV-CXXVIII
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