[LUTE] Re: new series - BALLI LODOMERICI -
Thanks for the music Roman! Here is my try: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McyorMlaig4 2013/3/20 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net [3]http://torban.org/balli/images/BL1.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/balli/images/BL1.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT On 3/18/2013 5:55 PM, Roman Turovsky wrote: [5]http://torban.org/balli/images/BSR20.mp3 [6]http://torban.org/balli/images/BSR20.pdf already filmed by the intrepid Eugene Kurenko: [7]http://youtu.be/UUF5KYXdwKY Enjoy. Amities, RT On 3/17/2013 11:04 AM, [8]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: [9]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/414.mp3 [10]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/414.pdf [11]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/413.mp3 [12]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/413.pdf [13]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/412.mp3 [14]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/412.pdf and [15]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/410Fguit.pdf for baroque guitar! Enjoy! Amities, RT On 3/7/2013 9:11 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: [16]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/409.mp3 [17]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/409.pdf [18]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/410.mp3 [19]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/410.pdf [20]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/411.mp3 [21]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/411.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McyorMlaig4 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://torban.org/balli/images/BL1.mp3 4. http://torban.org/balli/images/BL1.pdf 5. http://torban.org/balli/images/BSR20.mp3 6. http://torban.org/balli/images/BSR20.pdf 7. http://youtu.be/UUF5KYXdwKY 8. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 9. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/414.mp3 10. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/414.pdf 11. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/413.mp3 12. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/413.pdf 13. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/412.mp3 14. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/412.pdf 15. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/410Fguit.pdf 16. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/409.mp3 17. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/409.pdf 18. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/410.mp3 19. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/410.pdf 20. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/411.mp3 21. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/411.pdf 22. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Kazakh tune arr.lute and gittern
It's great Stuartt! Touching and very fresh. And what about 7str guitar version? P.S.: Something wrong with your youtube link so here is it fixed: [1]http://youtu.be/1-yKbHIru4k 2012/7/10 WALSH STUART [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Eugene Kurenko uploaded a lovely five-course guitar version of a tune from Soviet era Kazakhstan. He also uploaded the sheet music. Here is a shot at the piano version, now on lute and gittern: [1][3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- Stuart -- References 1. [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://youtu.be/1-yKbHIru4k 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1- 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c
And what about 8c lute with reentrant tuning in basses? 7th course=D and 8th course=F 2012/5/2 Arto Wikla [1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Dear Joshua, welcome to the gang! I think you can make the same 7th work in F and D. My example: 7-course Venere, 58 cm, the 7th course: Aquila's new nylgut octave 94 NNG Aquila's type D string 195 D The tensions are (a'D0Hz) in F 3.657 Kg / 3.935 Kg in D 2.586 Kg / 2.782 Kg F is quite tight, but works. Did you know, you can make the string calculations in my page [2]http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/ And you can see and hear my new Venere in [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lzPnVZl_ofeature=youtu.be Again: Welcome! Arto On 02/05/12 19:06, Joshua Burkholder wrote: Eugene, Well I have considered (and tried) an 8-course, and understand their advantages, but the music I'm most interested in is mostly 6 and 7 course, and so I feel like I don't really need the extra course. In any case, let's leave aside my choice of lute for the moment (though your advice is certainly welcome), because I'm quite curious to know whether it's practicable to retune the 7th course without re-stringing. (Perhaps I've overstated things a bit anyways, my question is more of a curiosity than a dilemma: I actually think a a 7th course in D and fingering the third fret will work fine for me in the majority of stuff I want to play, at least going by what I've seen so far). It's just that I often see mentioned in descriptions of 7-course lutes something to the effect of the player having to tune to either D or F according to the piece one wants to play, but in my (admittedly very limited) practical experience this doesn't seem very feasible without changing the string. So ! I'! m just wondering whether perhaps I am not missing something? Joshua On May 2, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Braig, Eugene wrote: It's beginning to sound like an 8-course might actually better suit your needs. While short lived in period, they seem pretty ubiquitous today. Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Joshua Burkholder Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 11:40 AM To: [6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [LUTE] Re-tuning the diapason of a 7c Dear lute-listers, A question from a beginner: First to introduce myself, my name is Joshua and I've been playing the lute for several months now; I have been on the list for a couple weeks and am really enjoying following your discussions. I have a rental 7-course and I am now in the process of taking the plunge and buying a lute of my own. After much reading, pondering and agonizing over the best number of courses to start with, I've come to the conclusion that a 7-course best suits my needs. So onto to my question: I know that some people re-tune the 7th course from D to F as needed, but on my rental lute this seems quite impossible. The diapason is stung to F and if I drop it down to D it becomes far too wobbly and flabby. From this I assume that if I were to restring it to D, which I'd prefer on the whole, it would likewise be impossible to raise it to F. Currently the lute is strung with Pyramid strings so the basses are metal wound. Is it only possible to change from D to F on the same string if one uses gut strings (Poulton remarks to this effect in her tutor that if it's strung to be tuned at D it will only be possible to raise it to F if gut strings are used)? Otherwise I have to re-string? Or does someone use some other stringing solution, besides just keeping it D and fingering the third fret for F (or buying an 8-course lute...)? I've read enough about stringing lutes to understand that it will be a while before I understand anything about stringing lutes... Thank you for taking the time to help out a newcomer. Best wishes, Joshua To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 2. http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/NewScalc/ 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5lzPnVZl_ofeature=youtu.be 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lundberg's contribution to lutemaking in the age of Galileo
Many thanks to Franz and David. I'm in waiting list. Eugene 2012/4/29 Franz Mechsner [1]franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk Hi All, Many apologies - I tried in vein to send the Lundberg file to those interested, but it did not work. I intended to have another try, but thanks David for your offer. I'll send you the list of people who asked me for the file. Best Franz __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of David van Ooijen Sent: Sat 28.04.2012 22:24 To: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lundberg's contribution to lutemaking in the age of Galileo All, Franz already made a version available (Danke Franz, and I really enjoyed our chat, it gave me so much food for thought), but maybe not quite mailable. I made a 2.5Mb scan, available to those who want to see what's waiting for them after their planned trek to the library or bookshop. Mail me off-list for a digital copy. David -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [1][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: 4060
right mouse click: save picture as :) I can't see any other way to download this. Intersting stamps are on the fifth page. One of them says Central state archive of Ukraine And the other one says Order of Lenin conservatoire of Kiev 2012/4/25 Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com Rainer, Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Any way to download the whole thing? Chris Christopher Wilke Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer [2]www.christopherwilke.com --- On Wed, 4/25/12, Rainer [3]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de wrote: From: Rainer [4]rads.bera_g...@t-online.de Subject: [LUTE] 4060 To: Lute net [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 3:07 PM Dear lute netters, I have no idea if this is new: MS 4060 (750 pages) is on-line. See [1][6]http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 Rainer adS To get on or off this list see list information at [2][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [8]http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 2. [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com 2. http://www.christopherwilke.com/ 3. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 4. mailto:rads.bera_g...@t-online.de 5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 8. http://resolver.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/SBB78A3 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lundberg's contribution to lutemaking in the age of Galileo
I'm interesting in it. Please share it. 2012/4/24 Franz Mechsner [1]franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk I've produced a file with copies of all pages of Lundberg's article that are available from google books. Please write me if you want one. Franz __ From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu on behalf of [3]t...@heartistrymusic.com Sent: Mon 23.04.2012 21:57 To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Luca Manassero Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lundberg's contribution to lutemaking in the age of Galileo $119.95 from the following: [1][5]http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcxy067124aid=bkfndr Tom Dear List, I just discovered what it seems a very interesting book: Victor Coehlo (ed.), Music and Science in the Age of Galileo, Kluwer Academic Publishers 1992 Preview here: [1][2][6]http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC Robert Lundberg's contribution (The physics and metaphysics of Galileo's lute) looks very interesting, but again the preview on Google books is rather limited and the book horribly expensive (US$ 239 on Amazon.com). Does anybody have a copy of Lunberg's article which could be shared in some way? Thank you in advance, Luca References 1. [3][7]http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC To get on or off this list see list information at [4][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Tom Draughon Heartistry Music [5][9]http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 714 9th Avenue West Ashland, WI 54806 [10]715-682-9362 -- References 1. [11]http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcxy067124aid=bkfndr 2. [12]http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 3. [13]http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 4. [14]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 5. [15]http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html -- References 1. mailto:franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk 2. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:t...@heartistrymusic.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcxy067124aid=bkfndr 6. http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 7. http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html 10. tel:715-682-9362 11. http://www.biblio.com/details.php?dcxy067124aid=bkfndr 12. http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 13. http://books.google.it/books?id=yjH_c3KQ3yMC 14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 15. http://www.heartistrymusic.com/artists/tom.html
[LUTE] Re: Why no active historical lutes?
I think that lutes were used more hard than violins. Let's imagine: turn that damned pegs every day, move that frets every day. Then rebuild that silly 7 courses lute to 8 courses. Then to 10,11, 12, 13... Open that belly and make new brace pattern. Try few stringings and tunings. Ah it's very good way to kill any musical instrument. I can say about my classical guitar. It was made in 1999 by very good luthiere. But I had rebuild that guitar in 7string, then in 8 and in 9 at the end (cut off soundport, redrill head and bridge, widened neck, glue on armrest, pull off metal frets and tying on nylon frets...) Then some great climate changes, cracks, repairs... After building my lute I had return that guitar in 6string condition. And now after all that tortures it's almost dead guitar. But it's only 13 years old and it have more solid construction than any lute! Errrmm... 2012/4/20 Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com I would say the lute is a more fragile instrument than the violin. Also, the lute fell out of favor for a long period of time and consequently wasn't valued as highly as the violin. And the better (Italian especially) makers were widely known among players, and their instruments would in particular be valued and cared for. On Apr 20, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Herbert Ward wrote: According to Wikipedia, there are many Strativarius violins in active use today: [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stradivarius_instruments But I never hear of anyone playing a historical lute routinely. In fact, it seems rare for anyone to even handle one. Is this because the thin soundboard becomes fragile with age? -- To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stradivarius_instruments 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
I vote only for sound and playability! Aesthetic have no sense for me. The instrument may looks like total horror but if it can produce great sound and is comfortable to play it's ok for me. By the way I really hate highly ornamented instruments with that flowers, hearts etc. IMHO theese nice things suits well on instruments for women but not for men. So as for me the great lute - is the lute which looks more like bloody viking axe and sounds like hell bell than another one which looks like romantic candy-box with sickening sweetest tone :))) 2012/4/7 Luca Manassero [1]l...@manassero.net Hi, very nice list. Let me put them in a slightly different order: 1. sound (very subjective, but when you hear it, you know you found it) 2. playability (again very subjective. Most of present lutemakers dogmata are rather funny, especially when supported by arguments like this respects the original instrument in the collection ABC. Fine, what if that istrument had been built for an 11 years old girl?) 3. Aesthetic. A lute si suppose to be beautiful. Sometimes it happens to see really ugly instruments. With all the research involved in XVI and XVII (and XVIII) century lutemaking, an ugly instrument is unauthentic ;-) 3. quality of craftmanship (it's sad when you get a nice sound out of a lute a bit too toughly built, if you get what I mean...) 4. authenticity of design / construction (again we need to be very careful: there are TWO 6 course lutes survived which tells us not much about the variety of 6 course instruments available to XVI century players) 5. materials (I'd dare say that if it's nicely playable and have a good sound and looks beautiful, well, materials must have been selected the right way...) I don't care about the maker's reputation. If it's an investment, OK. If it's a music instrument, then the maker is not the first point on my list either. Very exciting conversation: I look forward to read other opinions :-) Thanks! Luca William Samson on 07/04/12 15.25 wrote: I haven't really got much to add to the subject line. I've been chatting with Rob about this and various points have emerged I'd be interested in hearing what priorities you might put on the various characteristics of a lute in deciding if it's 'good' or otherwise. The kinds of things that have come up are (in no particular order): * playability (action, string spacing etc) * sound (which I can't easily define) * authenticity of design/construction * materials used * quality of craftsmanship * reputation of maker Of course these are rather broad headings and might easily be refined, clarified or broken down. Thoughts, please? Bill -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:l...@manassero.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Well I prefer to differ. Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand with pretty look. As former classical guitarist I can say that I knew some 3000$ guitars with sound like 800$ yamaha. Not better. The only differences were: french polish, intarsia and more expensive wood for body. So the pretty look costs much more than sound. It's weird for me. Why and what for? If I need musical instrument for 3000 I want sound on 2900$ and exterior on 100$ But not the opposite. Only the sound must amount 90% of price. Not exterior. If maker spends 6month for building the musical instrument let him spend 90% of this time for sound and pay a lot for this sound. Even if maker muild that great sound from cardboard pay for this great sound as for brilliant. The music is the language of sounds first of all. It's not a painting. So the lute must have the greatest sound first of all. And what we can see nowadays? Hardly understandable to me. B :) 2012/4/7 Jean-Marie Poirier [1]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr Eugene, you wouldn't consider the problem of sound as an aesthetic one...??? Aesthetic doesn't only mean the aspect of the instrument? It's a little bit more complex than that, isn't it? Best, Jean-Marie = == En reponse au message du 07-04-2012, 17:07:11 == I vote only for sound and playability! Aesthetic have no sense for me. The instrument may looks like total horror but if it can produce great sound and is comfortable to play it's ok for me. By the way I really hate highly ornamented instruments with that flowers, hearts etc. IMHO theese nice things suits well on instruments for women but not for men. So as for me the great lute - is the lute which looks more like bloody viking axe and sounds like hell bell than another one which looks like romantic candy-box with sickening sweetest tone :))) 2012/4/7 Luca Manassero [1][2]l...@manassero.net Hi, very nice list. Let me put them in a slightly different order: 1. sound (very subjective, but when you hear it, you know you found it) 2. playability (again very subjective. Most of present lutemakers dogmata are rather funny, especially when supported by arguments like this respects the original instrument in the collection ABC. Fine, what if that istrument had been built for an 11 years old girl?) 3. Aesthetic. A lute si suppose to be beautiful. Sometimes it happens to see really ugly instruments. With all the research involved in XVI and XVII (and XVIII) century lutemaking, an ugly instrument is unauthentic ;-) 3. quality of craftmanship (it's sad when you get a nice sound out of a lute a bit too toughly built, if you get what I mean...) 4. authenticity of design / construction (again we need to be very careful: there are TWO 6 course lutes survived which tells us not much about the variety of 6 course instruments available to XVI century players) 5. materials (I'd dare say that if it's nicely playable and have a good sound and looks beautiful, well, materials must have been selected the right way...) I don't care about the maker's reputation. If it's an investment, OK. If it's a music instrument, then the maker is not the first point on my list either. Very exciting conversation: I look forward to read other opinions :-) Thanks! Luca William Samson on 07/04/12 15.25 wrote: I haven't really got much to add to the subject line. I've been chatting with Rob about this and various points have emerged I'd be interested in hearing what priorities you might put on the various characteristics of a lute in deciding if it's 'good' or otherwise. The kinds of things that have come up are (in no particular order): * playability (action, string spacing etc) * sound (which I can't easily define) * authenticity of design/construction * materials used * quality of craftsmanship * reputation of maker Of course these are rather broad headings and might easily be refined, clarified or broken down. Thoughts, please? Bill -- To get on or off this list see list information at [1][2][3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html References 1. [3][4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[5]l...@manassero.net 2.
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1]eugene.kure...@gmail.com Haha :) BC Rich guitars looks not badl but Carlos Santana's PRS sounds much better :) And the sound is primary. 2012/4/7 hera caius [2]caiush2...@yahoo.com Here is the instrument: (I' m worning you that it's not so horror) [1][3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich and here is the music: [2][4]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal You can't go wrong and especially you can't get sick... :) Good luck! -- References 1. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 2. mailto:caiush2...@yahoo.com 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
So the conclusion is: great electric guitar (for my taste) have to look like BCR Zombie and sounds like PRS SE :) 2012/4/7 hera caius [1]caiush2...@yahoo.com Na, ok, I will try to imagine Kerry King (Slayer) explaining in an interview: ...yes I saw the BC Rich guitars...but, you know...the PRS was sounding so much better in the store...really...and I thought it will sound even better in our ensemble... --- On Sat, 4/7/12, Eugene Kurenko [2]eugene.kure...@gmail.com wrote: From: Eugene Kurenko [3]eugene.kure...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute? To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Saturday, April 7, 2012, 6:56 PM 2012/4/7 Eugene Kurenko [1][1][5]eugene.kure...@gmail.com Haha :) BC Rich guitars looks not badl but Carlos Santana's PRS sounds much better :) And the sound is primary. 2012/4/7 hera caius [2][2][6]caiush2...@yahoo.com Here is the instrument: (I' m worning you that it's not so horror) [1][3][3][7]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich and here is the music: [2][4][4][8]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal You can't go wrong and especially you can't get sick... :) Good luck! -- References 1. mailto:[5][9]eugene.kure...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[6][10]caiush2...@yahoo.com 3. [7][11]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 4. [8][12]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal To get on or off this list see list information at [9][13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=[14]eugene.kure...@gmail.com 2. file://localhost/mc/compose?[15]to%c3%8aiush2...@yahoo.com 3. [16]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 4. [17]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 5. file://localhost/mc/compose?to=[18]eugene.kure...@gmail.com 6. file://localhost/mc/compose?[19]to%c3%8aiush2...@yahoo.com 7. [20]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 8. [21]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 9. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:caiush2...@yahoo.com 2. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 3. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 6. mailto:caiush2...@yahoo.com 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 8. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 9. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 10. mailto:caiush2...@yahoo.com 11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 12. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 14. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 15. mailto:to%25c3%258aiush2...@yahoo.com 16. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 18. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 19. mailto:to%25c3%258aiush2...@yahoo.com 20. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Rich 21. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_metal 22. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute?
Someday I shall build one. I want to. I desire of one which looks like after 1000 years of battles and sings as fallen angel in catharsis. But for myself :) 2012/4/7 Roman Turovsky [1]r.turov...@verizon.net That may be hypothetically possible, but no one would ever build a deliberately ugly lute, for several reasons: 1. It could never be sold, because 2. No one would want to be seen with one. 3. Acoustic and visual aesthetics tend to go hand-in-hand. I only know one luthier who has no visual sense, and his acoustic sense is similarly lacking. It is no surprise he has difficulty selling his axes. I have also known a maker who made beautiful looking lutes that had no sound, but that is another story. RT - Original Message - From: Eugene Kurenko [2]eugene.kure...@gmail.com To: Jean-Marie Poirier [3]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr Cc: Luca Manassero [4]l...@manassero.net; Lute List [5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 11:50 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: What makes a good lute? Well I prefer to differ. Sound is the sound. And its quality not always goes hand in hand with pretty look. As former classical guitarist I can say that I knew some 3000$ guitars with sound like 800$ yamaha. Not better. The only differences were: french polish, intarsia and more expensive wood for body. So the pretty look costs much more than sound. It's weird for me. Why and what for? If I need musical instrument for 3000 I want sound on 2900$ and exterior on 100$ But not the opposite. Only the sound must amount 90% of price. Not exterior. If maker spends 6month for building the musical instrument let him spend 90% of this time for sound and pay a lot for this sound. Even if maker muild that great sound from cardboard pay for this great sound as for brilliant. The music is the language of sounds first of all. It's not a painting. So the lute must have the greatest sound first of all. And what we can see nowadays? Hardly understandable to me. B :) 2012/4/7 Jean-Marie Poirier [1][6]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr Eugene, you wouldn't consider the problem of sound as an aesthetic one...??? Aesthetic doesn't only mean the aspect of the instrument? It's a little bit more complex than that, isn't it? Best, Jean-Marie = == En reponse au message du 07-04-2012, 17:07:11 == I vote only for sound and playability! Aesthetic have no sense for me. The instrument may looks like total horror but if it can produce great sound and is comfortable to play it's ok for me. By the way I really hate highly ornamented instruments with that flowers, hearts etc. IMHO theese nice things suits well on instruments for women but not for men. So as for me the great lute - is the lute which looks more like bloody viking axe and sounds like hell bell than another one which looks like romantic candy-box with sickening sweetest tone :))) 2012/4/7 Luca Manassero [1][2][7]l...@manassero.net Hi, very nice list. Let me put them in a slightly different order: 1. sound (very subjective, but when you hear it, you know you found it) 2. playability (again very subjective. Most of present lutemakers dogmata are rather funny, especially when supported by arguments like this respects the original instrument in the collection ABC. Fine, what if that istrument had been built for an 11 years old girl?) 3. Aesthetic. A lute si suppose to be beautiful. Sometimes it happens to see really ugly instruments. With all the research involved in XVI and XVII (and XVIII) century lutemaking, an ugly instrument is unauthentic ;-) 3. quality of craftmanship (it's sad when you get a nice sound out of a lute a bit too toughly built, if you get what I mean...) 4. authenticity of design / construction (again we need to be very careful: there are TWO 6 course lutes survived which tells us not much about the variety of 6 course instruments available to XVI century players) 5. materials (I'd dare say that if it's nicely playable and have a good sound and looks beautiful, well, materials must have been selected the right way...) I don't care about the maker's reputation. If it's
[LUTE] Re: miking a lute/theorbo
It may depend on many things (mic type, room acoustic, sound projection of your lute etc). So it's better to spend some time for several short sound-tests with different mic placing. But no close distances from mic to lute. Try somthing around 1,5-3 meters. 2012/4/3 Brad Walton [1]gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca Hello folks, On the weekend I recorded two pieces in a professional recording studio. I was accompanying a singer on the theorbo. The recording engineer aimed two mikes quite close to the body of the theorbo. On the recording, the sound of the theorbo is very tinny and distorted, and bears almost no similarity to the natural/ acoustic sound of the instrument. Has anybody had experience with miking a lute or theorbo for recording? What mike placement gave you the best results so far as concerned fidelity to the natural sound of the instrument? Thanks, Brad To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:gtung.wal...@utoronto.ca 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
Hi all! Well this has been recorded about 30 minutes ago just for fun: [1]http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs Ah yes I play ren guitar only for few days. I'd finished it this week :) Attention! Not authentic technique and poor quality. But if someone like it I'll be glad. Anyway it's a great fun for me to play and to share theese little vids. Best wishes, Eugene. -- References 1. http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Quality vs Quantity
Thanks a lot Edward! I'll try do my best for further sharing. 2012/3/25 Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com Congratulations on your guitar, and do keep sharing. Ned On Mar 25, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Eugene Kurenko wrote: Hi all! Well this has been recorded about 30 minutes ago just for fun: [1][2]http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs Ah yes I play ren guitar only for few days. I'd finished it this week :) Attention! Not authentic technique and poor quality. But if someone like it I'll be glad. Anyway it's a great fun for me to play and to share theese little vids. Best wishes, Eugene. -- References 1. [3]http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs 3. http://youtu.be/JajT1g-yhHs 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Balli Sarmatoruteni 5 6
Thanks for the music, Roman! Here is my try of number 5 [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyKIDPewjDg 2012/2/27 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net Ballo Sarmatoruteno V - [3]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR5.mp3 [4]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR5.pdf Ballo Sarmatoruteno VI - [5]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR6.mp3 [6]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR6.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyKIDPewjDg 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR5.mp3 4. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR5.pdf 5. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR6.mp3 6. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/BSR6.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Physiology of playing fast.
I can play fast but it takes a lot of every-day-practice. My sister can play fast but she need only 5 minutes to warm-up even after few weeks of rest. 2012/3/5 Herbert Ward [1]wa...@physics.utexas.edu A description of how muscles contract is here [2]http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/human-biology /muscle3.htm The complexity of the process makes me wonder whether differences in physiology (say, heavily gated sarcoplasmic reticuli) from person to person enable some musicians to play faster than others, or (alternatively) whether fast playing results exclusively from practice and technique. To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:wa...@physics.utexas.edu 2. http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/human-biology/muscle3.htm 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
IMHO on any lute the lowest possible action on which you can play with dynamic range and without buzz is preferable. I have 3,5 mm under my 1st string at body joint (10th fret) on my 67 renaissance and it works well with nylon. 2012/2/5 brentlynk [1]brentl...@bellsouth.net Hello Everyone! Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) What is the ideal action at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length supposed to be? I realize that this could be subjective, based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is there a general consensus of a range that most people consider ideal? IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was told by a great luthier that 4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint for a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute. He also said that on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with those with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at the neck/body joint -- say, around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint. I am NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a very reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps he'll answer this question along with others? :-) Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 course baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what the general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too high? I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally mean to splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course baroque lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, having only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always preferred the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently used to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no worries!) Thanks in advance, BJ To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:brentl...@bellsouth.net 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute?
As for me I meant bottom of the string and top of the fret 2012/2/5 William Samson [1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk Just going to be picky for a sec - Are we talking about the distance between the bottom of the string and the surface of the fingerboard, or the top of the fret? Could make a significant difference. Bill From: brentlynk [2]brentl...@bellsouth.net To: Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@gmail.com; [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 17:45 Subject: [LUTE] P.S. Re: Action on Baroque Lute? P.S. It's much appreciated, Roman and Eugene...Indeed, 4 mm was the max that the expert/master luthier told me was acceptable...My 10-course was in for repairs recently (after 15 years of me playing it...) and the action had risen to about 5.5 mm at the 9th fret. The luthier corrected it and it plays a GREAT deal better now. I am glad to know the same basic rule applies to the action on baroque lutes...Heck, they are lutes, not long-bows to shoot arrows with, LOL! :-) Best regards and have a wonderful Sunday evening, BJ - Original Message From: Roman Turovsky [1][5]r.turov...@gmail.com To: [2][6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; brentlynk [3][7]brentl...@bellsouth.net Sent: Sun, February 5, 2012 12:36:01 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Action on Baroque Lute? 3.5mm @ the 8th fret. Definitely no more than 4mm. RT - Original Message - From: brentlynk [4][8]brentl...@bellsouth.net To: [5][9]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: [LUTE] Action on Baroque Lute? Hello Everyone! Quick question to all the experts out there (if it's possible for me to ask a quick question, LOL -- sorry! :-) What is the ideal action at the neck/body joint on 13 course baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length supposed to be? I realize that this could be subjective, based upon individuals and their playing styles, etc...But is there a general consensus of a range that most people consider ideal? IF interested, here is more background as to why I am asking the question: I have played ten course renaissance lute for the past 20 years, and was told by a great luthier that 4 mm of clearance is acceptable at the neck/body joint for a 63 cm vibrating string length, 10 course renaissance lute. He also said that on smaller renaissance lutes, such as six course lutes, (especially with those with shorter string lengths...) the ideal action is even lower than that at the neck/body joint -- say, around 3 mm of clearance at the neck/body joint. I am NOT a luthier and have no clue...I am only repeating what I was told by a very reputable luthier who knows his stuff. He gets this newsletter, so perhaps he'll answer this question along with others? :-) Anyhow, the reason I ask is that soon, I am going to be blessed with a 13 course baroque lute with a 72 cm vibrating string length, and I am wondering what the general consensus is on the action for such a lute? Is 4 mm to 5 mm of string clearance at the neck/body joint acceptable? Or is that too low? Or too high? I realize that we are talking about millimeters here...I don't literally mean to splice hairs, LOL :-). I am also wondering if the action on a 13 course baroque lute of 72 cm should/could/would be even higher than 5 mm? Personally, having only played renaissance lute up to 10 courses thus far, I have always preferred the lowest action possible without buzzing...But since the 72 cm,13 course baroque lute I am referring to is so much longer than what I am currently used to with the 10 course, 63 cm lute I play, I want to make sure I know what to expect... (I am happy to make the transition and adjust accordingly...no worries!) Thanks in advance, BJ To get on or off this list see list information at [6][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[11]r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[12]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. mailto:[13]brentl...@bellsouth.net 4. mailto:[14]brentl...@bellsouth.net 5. mailto:[15]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:willsam...@yahoo.co.uk 2. mailto:brentl...@bellsouth.net 3. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 4. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 5.
[LUTE] Re: cantiga # 139
Hello all! Here is one more from middle ages: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFI65cBNxSU Eugene 2012/1/17 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net He just made that uke last week. RT - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Roman Turovsky [4]r.turov...@verizon.net Cc: [5]medieval-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [MED-LUTE] cantiga # 139 On 17/01/2012 17:53, Roman Turovsky wrote: Cantigas de Santa Maria #139 Maravillosos e piadosos played by Eugene Kurenko - [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xtLT-hhKe4feature=uploademail RT Very nice! And the performance aspect too. Has Eugene converted his uke to five courses? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFI65cBNxSU 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 5. mailto:medieval-l...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xtLT-hhKe4feature=uploademail 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cantio Sarmatoruthenica LV
Thanks a lot for this piece, Roman! Here is my vid [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jcprwXHxI4 Merry Christmas!!! 2012/1/7 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net Cantio Sarmatoruthenica LV Dobryj Vechir - [3]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/359.mp3 [4]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/359.pdf a carol for today, eastern-rite Christmas Day. Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jcprwXHxI4 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/359.mp3 4. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/359.pdf 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Balli Ruteni Sarmatoruteni (A Well Stands in the Field)
Hi Stuart! I've just recorded this too! [1]http://youtu.be/MXpDoWwlVQ8 :) 2011/12/17 Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com On 17/12/2011 03:51, Roman Turovsky wrote: [3]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR1d.mp3 [4]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR1d.pdf Good tune, nice divisions, easy to play! [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft7lba6v5iE Stuart [6]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR2c.mp3 [7]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR2c.pdf [8]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloR20.mp3 [9]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloR20.pdf Enjoy, Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://youtu.be/MXpDoWwlVQ8 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR1d.mp3 4. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR1d.pdf 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft7lba6v5iE 6. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR2c.mp3 7. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloSR2c.pdf 8. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloR20.mp3 9. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/balloR20.pdf 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: guitar to lute conversion: string advice
Eugene now I use 0,5mm nylon fishing line as chantrelle on my lute (67mm) and it works well tuned in g (a=440) And I used 0,6mm nylon line as first string on my 9str guitar in g-lute tuning and it worked well even being tuned one step up, to a with no problems at all. Here is my record on this guitar in g: [1]http://youtu.be/iGRkEhWCoLw David if you afraid of high tension on that old guitar just say to your friend to tune it lower and use capo on 3rd fret. Here is my 9str guitar with capo: [2]http://youtu.be/Dn1oLm_85VU 2011/12/15 Eugene C. Braig IV [3]brai...@osu.edu A quick FYI: Standard, modern fishing line is monofilament nylon. However, fluorocarbon is also quite common as fishing line, considerably denser, and requires a resultantly lesser diameter at given pitch and scale than nylon. Do you know, t'other Eugene, if you were using nylon or fluorocarbon as a chanterelle? At what pitch (can we assume g')? Best, Eugene -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Eugene Kurenko Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:53 AM To: David van Ooijen Cc: lutelist Net Subject: [LUTE] Re: guitar to lute conversion: string advice Hi David! Well I had similar experience couple years ago. Fishing line 0,6 mm on first string, then strings 1-5 from guitar set so we have 6 courses. And then I had to use again 5th guitar string on F and then four 6th guitar strings on other basses. So we have 11 single courses. It works well on 650mm guitar exerpt the lowest notes, they'll be quite dull. Hope this can help to your friend. Good luck! 2011/12/15 David van Ooijen [1][6]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A friend of mine managed to put 11 tuning pegs in the head of her classical guitar. Now she wants advide on stringing it like a Renaissance lute. Before I ship her a set of what-I-think-might-work strings, is there anybody out there who did the same thing and has some experiences to share? David -- *** David van Ooijen [2][7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3][8]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [4][9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:[11]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. [12]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://youtu.be/iGRkEhWCoLw 2. http://youtu.be/Dn1oLm_85VU 3. mailto:brai...@osu.edu 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 10. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 11. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 12. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: guitar to lute conversion: string advice
Hi David! Well I had similar experience couple years ago. Fishing line 0,6 mm on first string, then strings 1-5 from guitar set so we have 6 courses. And then I had to use again 5th guitar string on F and then four 6th guitar strings on other basses. So we have 11 single courses. It works well on 650mm guitar exerpt the lowest notes, they'll be quite dull. Hope this can help to your friend. Good luck! 2011/12/15 David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com A friend of mine managed to put 11 tuning pegs in the head of her classical guitar. Now she wants advide on stringing it like a Renaissance lute. Before I ship her a set of what-I-think-might-work strings, is there anybody out there who did the same thing and has some experiences to share? David -- *** David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [3]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cuts and burns on fingertips.
Some elastic glue for rubber works not bad in some urgent cases but it's a little toxic. 2011/11/6 Ed Durbrow [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp For what it's worth, I've found I've done some of my most productive practicing when injured. For example, if you cannot use a certain finger, it is a real test to see if you can play a piece by memory entirely with one finger. Touching the strings with the LH but not pressing them is another amazing technique for practicing. On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: Does anyone have a way to cover cuts on the fingertips, so that one could resume playing earlier in the healing process than would otherwise be possible? I tried New-Skin liquid bandage, but it does not dry stiff enough to do much good. To get on or off this list see list information at [1][2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [2][3]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [3][4]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 2. [6]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 3. [7]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 3. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 4. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 6. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 7. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: Cantio 36
Thanks a lot for the music Roman! So here are 339 and 337: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GgZ1OzrQjM [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH0PHzzaX08 2011/8/31 Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@verizon.net Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXXVI - [4]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/339.mp3 [5]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/339.pdf RT in a - [6]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/338.mp3 [7]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/338.pdf in c - [8]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/337.mp3 [9]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/337.pdf in g - [10]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/336.mp3 [11]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/336.pdf Enjoy! Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GgZ1OzrQjM 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RH0PHzzaX08 3. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 4. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/339.mp3 5. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/339.pdf 6. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/338.mp3 7. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/338.pdf 8. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/337.mp3 9. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/337.pdf 10. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/336.mp3 11. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/336.pdf 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXXVII
Just filmed it! [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD-aMn_X_f8 2011/9/21 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXXVII - [3]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/347.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/347.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD-aMn_X_f8 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/347.mp3 4. http://torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/347.pdf 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Capo on lute? I use selfmade one: [1]http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/_/m/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/DSCF6776.jpg It's constructed as flamenco sejilla. Fits easily on any fret. 2011/8/25 Ed Durbrow [2]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp Check out the 12 string capo. [1][3]http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kpnj9w A simple idea but I don't know what material they would have had that would work the way this simple plastic works. You would possibly have to reset the spacing if you used it in more than one position on a lute. On Aug 25, 2011, at 4:00 PM, David van Ooijen wrote: I was a happy as well as heavy capo user on lutes, in my days of plastic metal wound strings and equal fretting. But all gut on a R-lute means from very thin to very thick strings, something the average capo cannot handle very well. On top of that, unequal fretting (and even in ET you'll need to adjust your frets to get better in tune) combined with a capo means all hell breaks loose when you have to do a programme with capo on/off all the time. I prefer to transpose these days. Better sound, anyway; size matters where it concerns string length. David -- *** David van Ooijen [2][4]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [5]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [3][7]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ [4][8]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. [9]http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kpnj9w 2. mailto:[10]davidvanooi...@gmail.com 3. [11]http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 4. [12]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- References 1. http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/_/m/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/DSCF6776.jpg 2. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp 3. http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kpnj9w 4. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 5. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 7. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 8. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ 9. http://preview.tinyurl.com/3kpnj9w 10. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 11. http://www.musicianspage.com/musicians/9688/ 12. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
Maybe thees north korean guitar kids: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG_dQC-cnk [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc 2011/8/20 Edward Mast [3]nedma...@aol.com A friend just sent me a youtube showing 5 very young children (Chinese or Japanese?) performing as an ensemble. They were playing full sized guitars (none of this Suzuki 1/4 or 1/2 size for them!) which were bigger than they were. With their very small hands they were able to get around the fingerboard quite well, including chords. I think this shows that, starting at a young age, one can adapt to whatever size instrument he/she plays. And I think it was common for musicians during the Renaissance to begin music studies at a young age. So, no problem for them playing the longer string length instruments - even if they were generally of smaller stature than we are today - I would guess. To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG_dQC-cnk 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSedE5sU3uc 3. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
I play on 67cm and it's tuned in g A=440. It's possible to tune it even in a A=440. 2011/8/17 Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com Hello Martin, Thank you for your observations on historical lute sizes and string lengths. When you say that the 67cm size is perfect for us, I'm not sure if you're talking about a g lute tuned to A=440, or a lower tuning. (Since I play with ensemble players whose instruments are at A=440, I'm rather tied to that pitch). The examples of fingerings you give are interesting. I can particularly see that the example from Waissel (c1c2d3c6, assuming he used 2nd finger on c6) might result in more consistent clarity. -Ned On Aug 17, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: Hi All, I don't think there was ever a norm for string length. Lutes were always made in a variety of sizes, and if our focus today is on solo lute music that is not necessarily typical of what happened in the past. Many people sang to the lute, and the guiding principle would have been whether the size (therefore pitch) of the lute was suitable for your voice. To the extent that there were some more or less standard sizes in northern Italy in the the late 16th C, they are 44cm, about 59cm, about 67cm, and about 78 cm (with a putative bass of about 88cm rather lacking in historical examples). In terms of the fossil record, the 67cm size is probably the commonest, but one could debate whether or not that was the size most commonly used for solo music. The 59cm and 67cm sizes are a tone apart, which suggests they may be the sizes intended for tone apart duets, for instance, and by implication, also suitable for solos (in the Matelart duets, one part is a solo). Modern lutenists have been unduly fixated on the idea that a lute must be in G and at modern pitch and have therefore gravitated towards the 59cm size, whereas historically things were obviously much more varied. In fact the 67cm size is perfect for us, as we tend to be a bit larger than our Renaissance forbears. Paul O'Dette has very small hands and a marvellous technique, and I doubt that stretches per se figure very largely in his calculations. Just for the record, I have quite small hands (not as small as Paul), and I can play that Ab chord (f1b2d4b6) on my 67cm lute quite comfortably, so I reckon most people can manage that size of lute reasonably well. I know people's hands vary not just in size, but in stretch, and I agree with all the notes of caution about not straining yourself. One interesting thing about historical lute fingerings is how they depart from modern norms. Just to give a couple of examples, there are times when it makes sense to use the first and second finger the wrong way round when they are required on the same fret (e.g. c1a4c5 can be played with the first finger on the first course and the second on the fifth course, as documented by Newsidler); and using one finger to cover two courses (e.g. a1b2b3d5, h1f3f4d6, f1c2d3e4e5c6; and an interesting example from Waissel, c1c2d3c6, where most of us would use a barre, but he preferred to cover the first two courses with the first finger. Best wishes, Martin On 10/08/2011 17:58, Edward Mast wrote: The more I read about the lute during the 16th century, the more it seems to me that the norm for string length then was closer to 65 cm than the 60 cm which seems more favored and common today. Are we (myself included) - who choose the shorter mensur - wimps? If classical guitarists of all shapes and sizes can manage a 64 cm mensur, should we lutenists not be able to do likewise? Just wondering . . . -Ned To get on or off this list see list information at [2]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: tablature software programs
I use Beier tab: [1]http://www.musico.it/lute_software/beiertab.htm it's free Eugene 2011/8/15 David Smith [2]d...@dolcesfogato.com Another option might be Fronimo. You can find a demo copy at [3]http://www.theaterofmusic.com/fronimo/index.html. David -Original Message- From: [4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:[5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Monica Hall Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:05 PM To: SCOTT ZEIDEL Cc: Lutelist Subject: [LUTE] Re: tablature software programs Django will up to a point although it is not perfect. It will put alfabeto letters on the tablature stave although it wont do + or . I use X for the former and write the latter out in tab. You will find the details at [6]www.musickshandmade.com Monica - Original Message - From: SCOTT ZEIDEL [7]swzei...@gmail.com To: lute [8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 9:14 PM Subject: [LUTE] tablature software programs I am new to this list, so I apologize if this has been covered many times in the past. Does anyone know any music software programs that can do mixed tablature for Baroque guitar? Is anything available? I use Finale, but so far my only solution is to add alfabeto as text; there has to be a better way. Thank you, Scott Zeidel To get on or off this list see list information at [9]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.musico.it/lute_software/beiertab.htm 2. mailto:d...@dolcesfogato.com 3. http://www.theaterofmusic.com/fronimo/index.html 4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu 6. http://www.musickshandmade.com/ 7. mailto:swzei...@gmail.com 8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 9. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
It may take few month to achieve good level of stretching. But one should work very carefuly and slowly. Every day or (better) few times a day regulary. Good warming-up before and massage with some hand-cream (I used baby oil) after stretching. Dowland and many others are possible even with double courses (I used double courses on my video). But now I'm working on Bach's allegro ( [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQdL5IQGcaw )and it's almost impossible to play it on double courses so I have to use singles. Moreover I have in plans to play on lute some pieces from guitar repertoire where single courses are strictly necessary. I guess (watching videos and photos) that POD uses shorter string lenght when plays renaissance lute. 2011/8/10 Edward Mast [2]nedma...@aol.com Thank you Bruno and both Eugenes, Paul O'Dette's comments are very interesting - I'll read the whole interview, Eugene. ( I wonder what string length P O uses on his Renaissance lutes). Yes, scale passages are not a problem with longer string lengths, I'm sure. I would expect the problems to be with fingered chords, especially barred chords. Your stretching exercises are impressive, E.K. I can't achieve that kind of stretch myself - with practice?? Certainly no problems for you in performing the Dowland, at least using single stringing. -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQdL5IQGcaw 2. mailto:nedma...@aol.com To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Renaissance lute string length
From interview with Paul O'Dette: Q: Much lute music would seem to be played more easily on smaller instruments than today's typical G lute, yet contemporary paintings don't show a preponderance of such small instruments. People living then certainly weren't bigger than us. Did they stretch more or perhaps weren't so attached to sustaining notes or am I missing something? A: This is a very interesting question which has many different aspects. I think early players developed more stretch than we do today, by doing exercises to keep the skin in between the fingers as elastic as possible, they also used various oils to keep the skin flexible, they developed stretching techniques which involved releasing the thumb from the back of the fingerboard, and also used the left hand thumb to play some bass notes. The string spacing of most Renaissance lutes is very tight at the nut, making the lateral stretches easier than on today's wider spacing. The problem this creates, however, is that it is more difficult to keep from brushing up against other strings with left hand fingers since the courses are closer together. This would suggest three things to me: 1) That they had smaller, thinner fingers which required less clearance, 2) that they came straight down with the l.h. fingers using only the tips of the fingers and 3) They were less fussy about little noises and buzzes than we are today. I suspect that they also did not sustain bass notes to nearly the degree we do today. - Thw whole interview can be found here: [1]http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/PODinterview.html BTW I play now on lute with 67cm. Not easy but possible even with my smal hands. But I had to stretch my fingers like this: [2]http://pics.livejournal.com/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/pic/0009xtz8 Here is my Dowland on 67cm: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2srIsT8xuE As you can see it's not perfect but quite satisfactory. The main difficulties for me were from double courses. Especially in chords. There is no significant difference for me in playing scale passages between 60cm and 67cm. But in chords theese 7cm are very important. So I had to remove all that doubles and now play on single courses. 2011/8/10 Edward Mast [4]nedma...@aol.com The more I read about the lute during the 16th century, the more it seems to me that the norm for string length then was closer to 65 cm than the 60 cm which seems more favored and common today. Are we (myself included) - who choose the shorter mensur - wimps? If classical guitarists of all shapes and sizes can manage a 64 cm mensur, should we lutenists not be able to do likewise? Just wondering . . . -Ned To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/PODinterview.html 2. http://pics.livejournal.com/_m_a_s_t_e_r_/pic/0009xtz8 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2srIsT8xuE 4. mailto:nedma...@aol.com 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Balli Rutenici XIII XIV
Thanks for music Roman! Here is my video of XIV: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrEbHAa8zk 2011/7/14 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@verizon.net Ballo Ruteno XIII, in d - [3]http://torban.org/balli/images/341.mp3 [4]http://torban.org/balli/images/341.pdf Ballo Ruteno XIV, in c - [5]http://torban.org/balli/images/342.mp3 [6]http://torban.org/balli/images/342.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzrEbHAa8zk 2. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 3. http://torban.org/balli/images/341.mp3 4. http://torban.org/balli/images/341.pdf 5. http://torban.org/balli/images/342.mp3 6. http://torban.org/balli/images/342.pdf 7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ein Guter Galizianischer Tantz
Kurenko's Pound? This sounds funny :) I like it. Thanks! :) 2011/7/6 Roman Turovsky [1]r.turov...@verizon.net Well, that little dance always struck me as a Ukrainian equivalent of Packington's Pound. I would from now on be known as the Kurenko's Pound. RT ps. There is a slightly differing version in c, for those inclined: [2]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 2. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Ein Guter Galizianischer Tantz
Here it is: [1]http://planetolog.ru/banknotes/Ukraine-2006-10UAH-rev.jpg 2011/7/6 wikla [2]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Give us link to a photo of 10 hryvnya banknote, please. Arto On Wed, 06 Jul 2011 11:15:57 -0400, Roman Turovsky [3]r.turov...@verizon.net wrote: BTW, The 10 hryvnya banknote is the only one in the world to have a swan-neck lute on it. RT - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [4]r.turov...@verizon.net To: Stuart Walsh [5]s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Eugene Kurenko [6]eugene.kure...@gmail.com Cc: Lutelist [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Ein Guter Galizianischer Tantz Hryvnya. RT From: Stuart Walsh [8]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Kurenko's Pound? What would that be in Ukrainian? Stuart This sounds funny :) I like it. Thanks! :) 2011/7/6 Roman Turovsky[1][9]r.turov...@verizon.net Well, that little dance always struck me as a Ukrainian equivalent of Packington's Pound. I would from now on be known as the Kurenko's Pound. RT ps. There is a slightly differing version in c, for those inclined: [2][10]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf -- References 1. mailto:[11]r.turov...@verizon.net 2. [12]http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://planetolog.ru/banknotes/Ukraine-2006-10UAH-rev.jpg 2. mailto:wi...@cs.helsinki.fi 3. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 4. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 5. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 6. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 9. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 10. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf 11. mailto:r.turov...@verizon.net 12. http://www.torban.org/balli/images/335.pdf 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: three (fairly) perky bandora tunes
Lovely sounds and nicely performed! Looking forward for more recordings on this interesting instrument. Eugene 2011/7/4 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Some pieces played on the Lute Society's bandora which I have on hire for a bit longer. It's a nice instrument; it has a smokey sound and feels satisfying to play. I still haven't mastered tuning. I reckon that with an instrument like this - with wire strings, peg tuners, non-equal temperament, fixed frets, fan frets - that tuning is going to be a bit of a compromise. And I'm not sure where the best compromises are. [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcuAM4f8FoA These pieces are from Cambridge MSS, transcribed by Donald Gill (and thanks to Peter Forrester): Grimstock - Bony sweet Boy - A Toy. It must have been a bit odd then, just as now, to play little ditties like this on a bass instrument? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcuAM4f8FoA 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cantiones
Thanks for the music Roman! Today I was starting my daily lute exercises with this: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzJ6HB7N44 2011/7/3 Roman Turovsky [2]r.turov...@gmail.com One of my all-tme favorites, a song about a cossack who comes home from a war to find a child that doesn't resemble him, but has a distinct Gypsy look. He interrogates his wife, she is being evasive, but finally confesses. He takes out his saber and takes her head off. Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXX (in d) - [3]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/333.mp3 [4]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/333.pdf Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXIX (in c) - [5]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/332.mp3 [6]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/332.pdf The version in c has already been filmed by the indomitable Eugene Kurenko! [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnxiUysbSKE Cantio Sarmatoruthenica XXVIII - [8]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/331.mp3 [9]http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/331.pdf Enjoy. Amities, RT To get on or off this list see list information at [10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzJ6HB7N44 2. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 3. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/333.mp3 4. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/333.pdf 5. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/332.mp3 6. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/332.pdf 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnxiUysbSKE 8. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/audio/331.mp3 9. http://www.torban.org/sarmatoruthenicae/images/331.pdf 10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Cantiones
Well I wasn't thinking about someone's honor but only to enjoy myself with the music. :) 2011/7/4 Roman Turovsky [1]r.turov...@gmail.com An undeserved honor... RT From: Eugene Kurenko [2]eugene.kure...@gmail.com Thanks for the music Roman! Today I was starting my daily lute exercises with this: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzJ6HB7N44 -- References 1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com 2. mailto:eugene.kure...@gmail.com 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXzJ6HB7N44 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A question about Bakfark's lute music
Ok. I had decided to start from the easiest tune. In my opinion this tune was Schoner deutscher dantz. And what do you think? Was it easy? Not at all! Here is little video of my tortures with it: [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iswze5VJzNQ Maybe 67cm string measure is to big for my short fingers but I have no idea about any solutions in this case. -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iswze5VJzNQ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A question about Bakfark's lute music
2011/7/2 Ed Durbrow [1]edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp I just looked at the first chord and said no. I hate that chord. So do I. And if I transpose the lowest note in that chord to opened 6th course? Criminal or not? -- References 1. mailto:edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] A question about Bakfark's lute music
Hello to everybody! This day I had some interest in difficult music for renaissance lute and had dicovered some intabulations by Bakfark. And almost went crazy. Most of them seems for me as bloody hell and almost impossible to play in tempo. I mean this for example: [1]http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/douce_memoire.p df [2]http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/czarna_krowa.pd f Some chord progressions has very awkward fingerings, wide transitions for left hand. And in addition to this - very complex rhythm, polyphony up to 4 and sometimes 5 voices. Do you have any suggestions how one can play this on one lute? Thanks in advance! Eugene. -- References 1. http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/douce_memoire.pdf 2. http://www.lute.ru/gerbode/ft2/composers/Bakfark/pdf/czarna_krowa.pdf To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A question about Bakfark's lute music
G. Crona, Eugene and Alan thanks a lot for yours replies! It helps very much! Alan (who's only dared to tackle 'Si grand e la pieta' - I can send you the tab I used in a lesson with JH, complete with his fingerings sustains) Oh I'll be happy to get this tab if it's possible. Please! Eugene -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Medieval Lute
Hi David! Some tablatures for medieval lute can be found here: [1]http://medievallute.info/ 2011/6/29 David R [2]d_lu...@comcast.net Hi luters, I'm thinking of getting into a type of lute music I've never played before, namely medieval lute. Problem is, I don't know where to find the music. Are there sources specifically for medieval lute, or does one simply have to just know what music to play based on knowledge of medieval music in general? I guess I'm wanting to know what the various genres are, and where to find sources. Can any of you kind folks help me out on this? Feel free to inundate me with info if you want to! Thanks, David Rastall To get on or off this list see list information at [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://medievallute.info/ 2. mailto:d_lu...@comcast.net 3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: How to put a strap on a lute?
Hello Halle! Two pictures with Paul o'Dette: [1]http://tania.chagnot.free.fr/gallerie%20photos%202008%20FIGP/image/f estival%20international%20de%20guitare%20de%20paris%202008%20photo%20ja cques%20pasqueille%20Paul%20O'Dette%2009.jpg [2]http://tania.chagnot.free.fr/gallerie%20photos%202008%20FIGP/image/f estival%20international%20de%20guitare%20de%20paris%202008%20photo%20ja cques%20pasqueille%20Paul%20O'Dette%2007.jpg As you can see the strap is tied around the pegbox between the pegs. Paul also has some piece of not slippy fabric on his knee Hope this can help. Good luck! 2011/6/29 H [3]pooklar...@yahoo.com Hello everyone! I am new to Lutes, and new to the list. Most of the time, I just quietly sit and read and listen, but today I have a question: how to attach a strap to the lute? I have a new 8 course lute. It has a strap button on the end, but it isn't really obvious to me where the other end is tied. From looking at videos and pictures, it looks like the strap is tied off somehow on the peg box, but not near the nut. I'm confused. And the lute is a little more slippy to hold than I expected. Any advice welcomed! About me, there isn't much to say. I just really want to play the lute. It's the most magical sounding stringed instrument in the world to me, and I was over the moon to be able to get one for myself. I have wanted one for years. It would be nice to meet other lutenists locally, but I don't know if there are any. (I live in Columbus, Ohio.) I also do historical reenactment, so when I get brave enough to take my lute out to an event, I will probably meet other lutenists. But in the meantime, I really enjoy reading the posts on the list. Halle Snyder -- To get on or off this list see list information at [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://tania.chagnot.free.fr/gallerie%20photos%202008%20FIGP/image/festival%20international%20de%20guitare%20de%20paris%202008%20photo%20jacques%20pasqueille%20Paul%20O'Dette%2009.jpg 2. http://tania.chagnot.free.fr/gallerie%20photos%202008%20FIGP/image/festival%20international%20de%20guitare%20de%20paris%202008%20photo%20jacques%20pasqueille%20Paul%20O'Dette%2007.jpg 3. mailto:pooklar...@yahoo.com 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
