[LUTE] Re: string tension
On 20.10.2011, at 21:27, Gert de Vries wrote: Chanterelle I have d'd' is 0,54 aa is 0,68 ff is 0,82 cc is 104 D G-g is 136 D - 0,73 g' probably 0.42 d' 0.51 a 0.64 f 0.77 c 0.98 Gg 1.28/0.69 -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurück-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: New to the list
I absolutely second this. While a peg disaster is not too likely using pliers or peg turners, it is not worth to take the risk in particular if your maker is more than 1 mls away. The method of gently hitting the thin end with a little rod softer than your peg works 100% and minimises the risk of breaking the peg, or, worse, the pegbox. g Original-Nachricht Datum: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:04:21 -0800 Von: Stephen Fryer sjfr...@telus.net An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: New to the list On 14/01/2011 8:43 AM, Edward Mast wrote: When I received a lute that had sticking pegs (it hadn't been played in a long while) I didn't want to order and then wait for a peg winder. I used pliers. Two caveats, though: put enough tape on the jaws to keep them from marring the pegs, and be careful not to let the pliers slip, fall and hit the instrument! Apply pressure gently and slowly. I recommend against pliers, or any other extreme twisting force on the pegs. I've known that to end with broken pegs. -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute
Dear Wolfgang (and all), I see there is something in this list for which I have been looking for years (and even asked here), an intabulation of missa l'homme armé super voces musicales which I believe is one of the finest pieces of music ever written. Does anybody know about a source for the tab of this one? Thanks! Gernot Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:31:18 +0100 Von: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de An: \'Lute List\' lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute Here is the list posted on our lute newsgroup: http://www.mail-archive.com/lute@cs.dartmouth.edu/msg28867.html ## Dear David [and the lutenet] I made a list of Josquin settings for lute some time ago and Arthur Ness suggested I shared it with you. It includes manuscript and printed sources. I have attached it as a Word document which I hope you can all open. best wishes - John H Robinson Lute intabulations of music by Josquin in prints and manuscripts [John H Robinson, January 1997] Manuscript sources: Adieu mes amours Adieu mes amours Munich 272 ff.52v-53 Adieu mes amours Wertheim Nr.6 pp.9-10 Benedicta Benedicta es regina. VI vocum Josquin Berlin 40632 ff.8v-11 / Per illiud ave II ditto / [Nunc mater exora natum: tertia pars] ditto Benedicta es caelorum. 6 uocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.6v-8 / Secunda pars Per illiud ave Duum ditto / Tertia Pars Nunc mater ditto Benedicta Es Celorum prima pars Paris 429 ff.38v-43v / Per illu dave Secunta pars Paris 429 ff.44-45v / Nunc mater Tertia pars Paris 429 ff.46-47 Benedicta [Ness App.30] [Edin. Dc.5.125] Thistlethwaite ff.47v-50 Benedicta es coelorum regina [Ness App.30] Thistlethwaite ff.81v-84 Chuor languor Chuor languor Munich 266 ff.43v-44v Circumdederunt Circumd dederunt me 6 vocum Munich 266 ff.137v-138 Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir Coment peult avoir [Spinacino] Dallis pp.168-9 Cum sancto spiritu Cum sancto spiritu [Missa de beata Virgine] Munich 272 ff.73v-74 Et in terra pax [Missa pange linqua] Et in terra pax. Parte duna mesa. bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.129 Et resurrexit de lomo arme [Missa l'homme arme] Et resurrexit de lomo arme. Parte duna mesa, bela, et bella *Capirola (c.1517) p.106 =46ors seulement [not in printed sources] Forschalamendt Berlin 40632 ff.17v-18 For seulament [Gerle 15331/41] Munich 272 ff.57v-58 Hec dicit dominus [not in printed sources] Hec dicit do[min]us 6. Vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.26v-27 In exitu Israell / Deus autem / Dominus memor In exitu Israell der erst taill Munich 272 ff.82v-85 / In exitu Israell der ander taill [2: Deus autem] ditto / In exitu Israell der drit taill [3: Dominus memor] ditto Inviolata / Nosta vt pura / O Beningna Inviolata. Josquin quinque vocum Munich 267 ff.2v-4 / Secunda Pars Nosta vt pura ditto / Tertia Pars O Beningna ditto Mille Regres Mille Regres Munich 266 f.41 Mille Regres / mit 4 stimmen Sequitur Munich 272 f.47v Mille regres Wroclaw 352 ff.54v-55v cf. VIII Galliarda V[alentin?] B[akfark?] [parody - Peter Kir=E1ly] Basel F.IX.70 p.299 Plus mil Regres Plus mil Regres Munich 266 ff.55-55v Plus mil Regres / Ist zimlich gueth Munich 1511d ff.11v-12v Preter Rerum Preter Rerum mit 6 stimmen der erst taill Munich 272 ff.80v-82 Preter Rerum der ander taill mit 6 stimmen [2: Virtus sancti spiritus] ditto Preter rerum seriem. 6 vocum Wroclaw 352 ff.3-5v Qui habitat Qui habitat 4or vocum Josquin Munich 267 ff.14v-17 / Secunda Pars Non accedat ditto Qui habitat der erst taill Munich 272 ff.77v-80 / Qui habitat der ander tail [2: Non accedat] ditto Qui habitat in adiutorio altissimi Iosquini Luneberg 1196 p.4 Qui tollis pechata mundi [Missa pange linqua] Qui tollis pechata mundi. Parte duna mesa. e piu bela. Capirola (c.1517) p.132 Stabat Mater Dolorosa V[alentin].B[akfark].Stabat Mater Dolorosa 5 Vocu: Berlin 40598 ff.150v-151 [HomolyaBenko 37] Combined prints and manuscripts: MASSES [more or less complete settings]: Missa Ave Maris Stella [Benedictus] Otra missa de Jusquin de ave maristella Pisador (1552) cf. Fantasia acomposturada de cierta parte de la missa de Ave maristella de Josquin Valderrabano (1547) Missa Beata Virgine [Cum sancto spiritu] Otra missa de Jusquin de beata virgen Pisador (1552) Missa Dicha [Credo] Missa Fa Re Mi Re? Otra missa de Jusquin que va sobre fa re mi re Pisador (1552) Missa de Faysan Regres [Et in terra pax, Et incarnatus est] Missa de Fortuna Desesperata [Benedictus, Pleni] Missa de la Fuga [Cum sancto spiritu] Otra missa de Jusquin de la fuga Pisador (1552) Missa de Gaudeamus Otra missa de Jusquin de gaudeamus Pisador (1552) Missa de Hercules [Pleni sunt celi] Missa de Jusquin, de Ercules dux ferrarie Pisador (1552) Missa L'homme arme [Agnus dei, Et resurrexit?] Otra missa de super bozes musicales Jusquin, missa L'homme
[LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute
Thanks a lot Göran! I must have missed this before. G Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:49:31 +0100 Von: G. Crona kalei...@gmail.com An: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute As you can see its in Pisador. https://urresearch.rochester.edu/institutionalPublicationPublicView.action;jsessionid=54B87BF9DF3F0B69D077314E39F4EB47?institutionalItemId=12697 But I believe he is considered musically suspect! Well, here's your chance to find out :) G. - Original Message - From: Gernot Hilger daube...@gmx.de To: wolfgang wiehe wie-w...@gmx.de; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: gernot.hil...@netcologne.de Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:39 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Josquin music for lute Dear Wolfgang (and all), I see there is something in this list for which I have been looking for years (and even asked here), an intabulation of missa l'homme armé super voces musicales which I believe is one of the finest pieces of music ever written. Does anybody know about a source for the tab of this one? Thanks! Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
[LUTE] Re: OT: a computer question
I am running Tiger on my old 500 MHz G3 iMac. Fits like a glove and runs fast enough for playing music and more. It was my only computer until the first Mac mini came out. Videos are a bit of a problem though. I remember there was a firmware update necessary before being able to update to OSX. What type of Mac is that exactly? I might find out how to get OSX working. I never was a fan of OS 9 because it was not really stable. Some wonderful properties though. g Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 13:40:03 -0500 Von: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@verizon.net An: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com, lute mailing list list lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: OT: a computer question pretty sure. 450mhz only, on mine. RT -- GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 euro;/mtl.! Jetzt auch mit gratis Notebook-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Possible to over clamp?
Fortunately, this only applies to PVA glue. With hide glue, this is not possible. For example, when jointing a soundboard, one would rub both parts together to squeeze out any surplus glue. Even under the microscope, there will be no visible joint thickness. Have a look at your lute's front. g Original-Nachricht Datum: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:24:18 -0700 Von: howard posner howardpos...@ca.rr.com An: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Possible to over clamp? On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Herbert Ward wrote: In using hide glue, is it possible to over-clamp, so that insufficient glue is left in the joint? Absolutely. There is a specific term -- glue-starved joint -- for the condition. -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Possible to over clamp?
Thanks for the compliment, Howard :-) It is theoretically possible to apply not enough hot glue although I can hardly imagine how. It is however possible to do it incorrectly. I am not too much of a competent luthier, although - after quite some woodworking experience - I have been trying to learn as much as I could from David van Edwards in three summer schools. Also I have a friend who is a professional luthier and we have been discussing this issue in great lengths. It is still my belief that there is almost no glue between jointed parts. Practically zero gap. I do not know if you are familiar with the hot glue business, absolutely no insult intended here. One applies quite a lot of the stuff, one major purpose being to warm up the wood. For example for the soundboard joint, one rubs both parts against another until one feels that the joint begins to stick, at least that is what we do here. By this moment, all pores are filled with glue and this is what holds the parts together. There is almost no glue in the joint itself, it is all in the pores. If one just applies some glue to the cold surfaces like one does with PVA glue and clamps everything together, there will be a weak joint. This may well be called glue-starved. One wants enough glue in the pores, but not in the joint. For a good hide glue joint, the amount of clamping pressure is almost completely irrelevant. There is no such thing as too little or too much pressure. It is all surface preparation and glueing technique that counts. I am fairly confident that your luthier would not think much differently. Gernot On 25.07.2010, at 20:01, howard posner wrote: On Jul 25, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote: With hide glue, this is not possible. For example, when jointing a soundboard, one would rub both parts together to squeeze out any surplus glue. Even under the microscope, there will be no visible joint thickness. Have a look at your lute's front. The very capable builder who repaired the damage to my glue-starved instrument thought differently. -- Neu: GMX De-Mail - Einfach wie E-Mail, sicher wie ein Brief! Jetzt De-Mail-Adresse reservieren: http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/demail To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Temporarily fixing an open seam.
There is a paper tape, similar to postage stamps which can easily be removed with a damp cloth. It is used by bookbinders. You can even use a few stamps. The gist is that water soluble glue is used. Gernot Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:01:00 +0200 Von: David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com An: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu CC: Herbert Ward wa...@physics.utexas.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Temporarily fixing an open seam. On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Narada blues.for.nar...@ntlworld.com wrote: You could try to get hold of some of that Scotch Tape that cartographers use for sticking tracing paper to old maps and photographs. It's about 12mm wide, opaque, and when you pull it off it doesn't leave any residue. It's And my luthier cursed me when I came back from Japan with a lute temporarily fixed with exactly such tape. It's very difficult to remove. Better use the tape used by painters for the the bits they don't want to paint. His advice. David an open seam. I acquired a lute with some damage to the soundboard. There is a buzzing loose brace and an open soundboard-bowl seam. If I push the seam closed with my finger, the buzzing stops. So I want to tape the seam closed until my luthier comes back from vacation. But I'm afraid duct tape would leave a residue of adhesive on the finish. Also, it might creep and not keep the seam closed for more than a few days. Is there a good way to close the seam temporarily until the luthier can fix the lute? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** -- GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
[LUTE] Re: Bermudo translation?
There is the bandurria part in German which I translated for Andreas Schlegel: http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Mandore/Mandore_Instrumente/Mandore_Instrumente.html Gernot Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:34:21 +0200 Von: Sam Chapman manchap...@gmail.com An: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [LUTE] Bermudo translation? Does anybody know if there is a translation of Bermudo's treatise into English or German? Or at least bits of it? Thanks! Sam -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- GMX DSL: Internet-, Telefon- und Handy-Flat ab 19,99 EUR/mtl. Bis zu 150 EUR Startguthaben inklusive! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
[LUTE] Re: Prelude by Hoppy
Harald, one cannot append files here. Can you upload it somewhere? Or send me a copy which I could put on mine. Grüße aus Sankt Augustin Gernot On 06.05.2010, at 20:48, Harald Hamre privat wrote: Hello Some years ago I made a Fronimo file of the A Major prelude by V. Gautier, just from listening to the recording by Hoppy. I attach it. Enjoy! Harald Hamre -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Harald's transcription..
. can be found here: www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/Prelude_V_Gautier.ft2 I cannot read the file myself, 'cause I've got no Fronimo. Enjoy Gernot -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Gautier Prelude PDF
Here's the PDF www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/Prelude_V_Gautier.pdf Gernot -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: status of lutebooks.com?
wakarimasen: I don't know honto: exactly the ga and da are particles which are not easy to explainm but in this case not essential for understanding. Within my limited knowledge of Japanese, wakarimasen ga means something like I do not understand the subject of this honto da here also the da escapes me. Gernot On 14.03.2010, at 13:56, William Brohinsky wrote: Would someone please translate for the poor idiots who only understand a few human languages and a double-handful of computer languages? i.e., me. thanks, ray On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 AM, David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:36 AM, Guy Smith [2]guy_m_sm...@comcast.net wrote: Wakarimasen, ga... Honto da. David -- *** David van Ooijen [3]davidvanooi...@gmail.com [4]www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 2. mailto:guy_m_sm...@comcast.net 3. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com 4. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/ 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: professorship for lute open in Bremen
Chris, it may read this way but this is definitely not the case. In theory, the clause means that women are preferred if their qualification is equal. So there is no reason why you shouldn't apply for the position. g Zitat von chriswi...@yahoo.com: One major caveat: It's open to women applicants only. --- On Tue, 3/2/10, Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk wrote: From: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk Subject: [LUTE] professorship for lute open in Bremen To: Lute lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 1:54 AM Hi All, There is an open position at the University of Arts in Bremen (Germany): Professorship for historical lute instruments (1/2 time) [1]http://www.academics.de/jobs/professur_fuer_historische_lauteninstru mente_46673.html Best Franz To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
I tried to find what the strange object under the bird might be. I believe it is a musette de cour with the chanter removed. There is a similar picture here: http://music.geocities.jp/muzettes/EngFile/main_eng/pictures_diag/hotteterre_musette.gif I have asked David Van Edwards for his thoughts on the picture. With his authorization, I am forwarding his comments, useful as usual. Gernot The lute of course is easy, it's an early type of extended bass as also shown in several Molenaer paintings and in the comic drawing of a country musician [enclosed] and one exists in Copenhagen [No. 93] converted from a Sixtus Rauwolf lute with the handwritten label SIXTVS RAVWOLF // AVGVSTANVS 1598 [1599?]. manu propr suggesting that he himself, not an apprentice made it. The extension is unlikely to be original but not impossible. The other object is much more difficult isn't it! I wonder if it's a musette with the bag hiding behind the brazier? There's a suggestion to my mind that the artist has tried to show extremes of each sense with the garlic and horseradish root as well as the more normal things. On this reading the hearing goes from pleasant lute via slightly snarling musette to raucous pheasant or peacock, it's a rather weird looking bird! The brazier is unusual for these kind of pictures too, again suggesting extremes of fealing. I bet that's the sort of implement the original instrument makers used as a bending iron, without the fancy curlicues which would get in the way. In fact it's a very interesting picture on all levels, the lute has such a clear gut strap with loop that we know was commonly used but rarely so clearly shown, and its fancy lace edging is nice, as is the beautifully rendered yew wood with part sap even on a wide rib lute. I wonder what the significance of the dice and cards is. Their numbering goes 2 4 6 6 8 I wonder if that is important? Maybe it's just another form of counting as also implied by the music. I expect all these things have already been covered by other contributers. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Strange lute in French painting
Dear Sean, unless I am very much mistaken, you are speaking of the Linard Vanitas. I was referring to the pic Franz had linked to. The other picture is too small to see any chanterelle. Or do you once again have a mousepad with better resolution by any chance? Gernot Zitat von Sean Smith lutesm...@mac.com: An archcittern, Gernot? That broken chanterelle curls like gut to my eye. Sean On Feb 15, 2010, at 1:51 AM, Gernot Hilger wrote: Hi Franz, the instrument in this pic is of course not a lute, but an archcittern. Looks like a Hamburger Cithrinchen with extended bass range. Gernot Zitat von Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk: Hi, Wasting some time one may collect tons of strange lutes from the internet in many variations, the most strange one I found so far is this: Try [1]http://www.klassiskgitar.net/imagesr1.html I am refering to the the Painting Young Lady with Lute by Racinet which might require some consideration regarding the instrument as well as how it is held... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Emotion, introvert vs. extrovert playing
Thomas Schall schrieb: That's one of the most fantastic and beatiful things in lute world - the interpretations are not as fixed as - for instance - in the violin or piano world. A real treasure! Thomas Thomas, I honestly do not believe that this is the case. There is a mainstream among lute performers as well among pianists or fiddlers. There are always some gifted people who do it different from others. Think of Martha Argerich or Ivo Pogorelic, or even Nigel Kennedy, I am not so familiar with violinists. What I meant is that the emotional range of many lute recordings is rather limited. I do not mean there are no emotions in the playing, but I always feel that there must be more room in the limited volume range of the instrument. For example, Chris Wilson. I like his playing quite a lot and I was fortunate enough to be at a mini recital in DvE's home where he played pieces in transitional tunings. This was one of the finest lute concerts I remember, very subtly but deeply felt playing. But I have great difficulties hearing his CDs. The delicacy doesn't make it through the reproduction process. Playing music for CDs is probably a bit like writing music for the opera, a need for a bigger brush. Then again I have just bought another clavichord record, Pensées nocturnes by Mathieu Dupouy which is plainly wonderful in spite of the similarly limited dynamics of the instrument. This is definitely a silver point interpretation, no big brush thing. Re the tombeau: there will be a recording by Edin Karamazov, at least that is what I hear. Edin - even if do not always like how he treats his instrument - is one lutenist who tries things that I am often missing with others. If there is not something really obnoxious like the minor final chord in Forlorn Hope, I'll probably like his rendition. He is sometimes over the brink, but full of life and passion. I like that. Enough for now. And thanks to all the gentle people who explained their view, I do appreciate this. Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Emotion, introvert vs. extrovert playing
Hi, after a while, I am back to the lute list. There is a reason for this posting. Yesterday, finally, I got my Barto Weiss vol.10 CD. This includes the Tombeau sur la mort de M. Conte de Logy, which is an all-time favourite of mine. Robert Barto is one of my favourite baroque lute players. I really like his sound, his interpretation and so-to-say quite everything. There is a reason why I have got each and every CD he has issued. But I was frankly disappointed by his rendering of the tombeau. Too much in metrum, no agogics, seemingly emotionless. He does some variation in the reprise of the first part, nice, but he soon leaves this path and plays the written part. My reference interpretation, a beloved compagnion for more than thirty years is Hoppy's 1978 rendition on the 1755 Widhalm lute, Reflexe edition, not the later recording on his van Lennep lute. I find this particular piece overflowing with emotion, ardently played, very moving. It just hits and touches me. The music is so deep and calm and nevertheless arousing. What a masterpiece. And an example of what can be done on the lute. Upon further reflection, I find that Robert does in fact express himself, but only on a smaller scale. More civilised, perhaps. Which I find a pity. Why is it that the emotional range of many lute recordings is so small? Or compressed? It can be done otherwise. Or is it just a matter of my ears being clogged? g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Emotion, introvert vs. extrovert playing
30 years of listening! Hah! I certainly would like to. But implicitely my point was that too many lute recordings are on the brink of being too bland for my humble taste. Now even Robert Barto falls prey to this. This I did not expect. g On 10.02.2010, at 00:12, howard posner wrote: On Feb 9, 2010, at 2:47 PM, Gernot Hilger wrote: My reference interpretation, a beloved compagnion for more than thirty years is Hoppy's 1978 rendition on the 1755 Widhalm lute, Reflexe edition, not the later recording on his van Lennep lute. I find this particular piece overflowing with emotion, ardently played, very moving. It just hits and touches me. The music is so deep and calm and nevertheless arousing. What a masterpiece. And an example of what can be done on the lute. Upon further reflection, I find that Robert does in fact express himself, but only on a smaller scale. More civilised, perhaps. Which I find a pity. Why is it that the emotional range of many lute recordings is so small? Or compressed? It can be done otherwise. Or is it just a matter of my ears being clogged? They may very well be clogged. If you've been married to one performance for 30 years, it's only natural to think of it as THE performance, and think of every other performance as if it were an attempt to duplicate it; therefore any other performance can hardly differ from it without being inferior. We all tend to judge music- making by some model we've internalized, and recordings are very powerful internalizers. You may be right about emotional scale, but I think you should be scientific about this: put away the Smith Reflexe recording, spend 30 years listening to Barto's, and then get back to us. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Archlutes/Octaves?
Dear David, don't you miss f# in the basses? Some people string 14 as f#, that means basses to E-D-C-B-A-G-F# I am asking because I need to decide on stringing for my new liuto attiorbato. Thank you Gernot On 05.04.2009, at 10:22, David van Ooijen wrote: On both instruments strings 8 to 14: E - Eflat - D - C - B - A - G To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Lute straps again
Hello, I just ordered a lute strap for my soon-to-come liuto attiorbato from José Antonio Ahumada in France. This was very difficult because the chello.fr email I had did not work. However I managed to phone him (merci Philippe) and his new email is: m.ahumadacas...@numericable.com He says that his internet provider changed without advance notice and he has lost many contacts. Which is a shame because his straps are marvellous. Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: medieval plectrum, how to make?
On 28.06.2008, at 23:50, LGS-Europe wrote: Cow's horn is also on my list, but I cannot think of a dish yet. That one is easy. Just keep the horns for plectra and eat the rest of the cow. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Musical Crimes: Forgery, Deceit, and Socio-Hermeneutics
Dear Stewart, there is in fact one source stating that the ending -#269;ek does in fact mean from Czech country (http://www.oxfordjctgenealogy.com/oxfordnamesexplained.htm). I do not believe they are right.I am not at all an expert, but I think that it is just the diminutive suffix -ek which is also quite common in Poland. There are many names ending with -#269;ek, one will remember Alexander Dub#269;ek. About 1 0/00 of Czechs are called Sou#269;ek=knot, this name is among the top 100. Germans would probably transcribe this as Sautschek or Sautschek. Czech people would pronounce the -ch more or less as we do here, with the unpleasant -ch as in Ach or Nacht. Best wishes Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Musical Crimes: Forgery, Deceit, and Socio-Hermeneutics
Let me assure that the mere Sautscheck word evokes no pejorative undertones at all to me although the Sau- prefix is pretty common here and means just what Stewart says. It is not very rude, though. Can be used talking to your mother-in-law without any risk. Sautscheck merely sounds vaguely slavonic which is more or less synonymic here with probably ok but take care of your car. What a silly thing all those prejudices are, aren't they? g I have only been wondering why the more common spelling Sautschek has not one hit in the phone directory and Sautscheck has seven just as Roman says! On 08.06.2008, at 23:38, Stewart McCoy wrote: I have contacted my German lecturer friend by email, who has kindly replied at once to explain what he had meant. He writes, Sau is the German for sow (as in female pig), but is used frequently as a (fairly rude) prefix to indicate a pejorative, e.g. Sauwetter (what we have been getting up to the last couple of days, saukalt (extremely cold) etc etc. He suggests that the -tscheck part of Sautscheck might be derived from the German word for Czech. He was looking at the word from a purely etymological point of view. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Choosing Strings
Don't say that too loudly. You'll fall prey to Stephen Barber's wrath. Ask Martyn! On 24.05.2008, at 16:25, howard posner wrote: On May 24, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Martin Shepherd wrote: I note with interest that Arto's calculator allows us to work out the stringing for a 10m theorbo - what shall we say for the fingerboard strings, only 5m? Anything shorter than 3 meters is a toy theorbo anyway. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fret diameters, a geometrical approach
There has been some discussion about fret diameters lately. For those who might be interested, I did some quick and dirty geometry with Excel and have put this online (http://www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/ frets). The results come with no warranty, of course because there may be some bugs hidden. Also, the effects of meantone temperament are not yet included. These are anyway much smaller than the effects of different fret diameter strategies. The gist is that there are almost no differences between different strategies except for the Robert Dowland method which is clearly not to be taken literally. Have fun g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Fret diameters, a geometrical approach
On 14.05.2008, at 14:54, Martyn Hodgson wrote: When you say 'not to be taken literally', I presume you mean because he was (through neccessity) obliged to link the same size of two frets with just one gut lute string, rather casting doubt on the general (small) size of the frets. Exactly. Theoretically, one should either use the same diameter throughout OR make the frets thinner from fret to fret. There is no reason not to use thinner frets, in particular with double frets. Again, the differences are very small and one can always slightly flatten a fret. PS Incidentally the 'Other Necessary Obs...' are by John D not Robert. Had I written John, somebody would now be nitpicking that the book was edited by Robert. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Left hand positioning
Daniel, these general rules can only be applied for single note runs, which are not normally a problem. When playing more than one voice (chords), the fingering depends on what is before and after the chord. The best solution, obviously, is a teacher. It might however be difficult to find one depending on where you live. Unfortunately, I am not at all familiar with beginner's lute tutors. I remember however, that I had lots of easy lute pieces in my guitar scores, in the old tuning and with very good fingerings. If you cannot find such fingered music, you'l have to figure out yourself, which may be a bit frightening first, but is in fact not impossible. You do want to have smooth movements and avoid stretches if possible. This is what Mathias means, leaving one finger out helps in keeping the left hand relaxed. I could finger a few pieces for you, if you send me a scan. Gernot On 09.05.2008, at 17:46, Mathias Rösel wrote: Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: On May 9, 2008, at 5:04 AM, Daniel Ramey wrote: Are there any general rules for fingering position with the left hand? I tend to use my pointer finger for the second fret and my middle for the third, but I find it difficult when I have two or three positions I need to have depressed, that are on the same fret and vertically far apart. Very, very, general rules: 1st finger 1st fret, 2nd finger 2nd fret 3rd finger 3rd fret, but 4th finger 3rd fret on 1st and 2nd strings. As for baroque lute, I'd certainly prefer patterns like 1st fret 1st finger, 2nd fret 3rd finger or 2nd fret 2nd finger, 3rd fret 4th finger or 1st fret 1st finger, 3rd fret 4th finger. Find it useful on the renaissance lute, too. Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French
Dear any Italian speakers on this list, Not quite, but I try nevertheless. Since many years finest quality lutes are made in Bologna. They were made longish, pear-shaped, broad ribbed to sound as well sweet as harmonious. (I don't quite understand the l'uno/l'altro thing here, so I'm not too sure about this sentence) In short, they were highly estimated for their quality, in particular by the French, who went to Bologna to take them to France, paying whatever they were asked, that is why almost none can be found today. Furthermore they made very big lutes, which were highly appreciated in Bologna to be played in concert with smaller lutes playing passamezzi, arie and the like. Gia molti anni sono che in Bologna, si faceuano liuti di bonta molto eccelenti o sosie l'esser fatti di forma lunga =E0 similitudine di pera, o fosse l'hauer le coste larghe, che l'vno fa dolce, e l'altro armonioso; basta che, per la lor bont=E0 crano molto stimati, in particolare de i francesi, i quali son venuti =E0 posta a Bologna, per portarne in Francia pagandoli tutto quello che era loro domandato, talche pochissimi hora sene trouano; oltre di cio si faccuano liuti grandissimi, che in Bologna erano molto apprezzati, per suonare in concerto con altri Liuti piccoli passiemezi, Arie, altre simile. I'd appreciate any corrections g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Bloody French
Duncan, you are right about the l'uno/l'altro part. Thank you! Another version: Since many years finest quality lutes were made in Bologna. Whether it is because of their longish shape similar to a pear, or perhaps because of their wide ribs, one of which made their sound sweet, the other harmonious, does not really matter, because they were either way highly estimated for their quality, in particular by the French, who went to Bologna to take them to France, paying whatever they were asked, that is why almost none can be found today. Furthermore they made very big lutes, which were highly appreciated in Bologna to be played in concert with smaller lutes playing passamezzi, arie and the like. Somebody might translate this to proper English Gia molti anni sono che in Bologna, si faceuano liuti di bonta molto eccelenti o sosie l'esser fatti di forma lunga =E0 similitudine di pera, o fosse l'hauer le coste larghe, che l'vno fa dolce, e l'altro armonioso; basta che, per la lor bont=E0 crano molto stimati, in particolare de i francesi, i quali son venuti =E0 posta a Bologna, per portarne in Francia pagandoli tutto quello che era loro domandato, talche pochissimi hora sene trouano; oltre di cio si faccuano liuti grandissimi, che in Bologna erano molto apprezzati, per suonare in concerto con altri Liuti piccoli passiemezi, Arie, altre simile. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: OT: Torture and c-camps
Arto, that was remarkably long since you posted something which is again true but not at all appropiate for the lutenet. Please don't! The only outcome is just another flame war. g On 01.05.2008, at 00:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear musicians, someone from the US PS-talked me lately: . All the best, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Tying on frets
Dear nameless asker, gut is more flexible than nylon. You will therefore more likely expect some gap with nylon frets than with gut which most people use. Nylon works, but it is more difficult to prevent the knot from slipping. You don't want a really sharp edge on the fingerboard, but you don't want too much of a radius either. Use your best judgement. Flat fingerboards are typical for Renaissance lutes while Baroque lutes tend to have a slight crown. I personally find it much easier with a crowned fingerboard so I ordered my liuto attiorbato with a crowned fingerboard as well although the original's is flat. Again, there is no strict rule so you might want to fit your lute's neck to your hand. Success! Gernot On 28.04.2008, at 18:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Lutenists, I need some help. Not with the fret knot itself or the like, but please bear with me: I stripped the fixed metal fret fingerboard from my lute replaced it with a fretless fingerboard. I am not a luthier, just very careful. I did not bevel or fillet the edges of the fingerboard, at least not yet. I notice that the stress resulting from the nylon fret trying to make the sharp bend is lifting it up near the edge. That is, near the edge of the fingerboard there is a small gap or daylight under the fret. It is actually not all that small, big enough so that I can see that it will be a problem. I know this is not a lute building list but you can help me get playing again by looking at your lutes (assuming you are using tie on frets) and telling me if the edges are beveled or filleted, and if so, how much. And here is another question: if you lay a straight edge on your fingerboard, is it straight or crowned? I was careful to get mine really flat but now I wonder. Another related question I have is, nylon or gut for frets? I only have nylon right now. Is this stress effect peculiar to nylon? I would not think so since I notice that wrapped strings lift near the edge as well. Thank You All Very Much, -plh To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.
Stephen, this may well be the case for classic Greek, which is Greek to me, haha. The new Greek (δημοτική) which I sort of learned is full of words with mp which is the way they write the sound b. For example μπαρ (mpar) is a bar. They also write ντ (nt) to transcribe the sound d (δ is pronounced like English th ) which leads to some confusion in words which do contain nt. g On 27.04.2008, at 17:21, Stephen Arndt wrote: Thank you, Bernd, Alan, and Mathias. That is all very interesting. I checked in the unabridged Lidell and Scott (the most comprehensive Greek-English dictionary), and there was nothing beginning with mp. In modern Cyrillic the b sound is represented by a letter that looks like an Italic lower case b and the v sound by one that looks like an upper case b (more or less). Perhaps Roman knows whether Cyrill himself used those. Stephen - Original Message - From: Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text. Did you mistype something? I never saw a Greek word beginning with mp. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.
If it is of any interest, I found an online source about what the word means. http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/μπερμπάντης It is obviously a loan word from Italian birbante and means man with unstable and intense erotic life that seeks/creates a lot of erotic relations with women (Translation from http://www.stars21.com/translator/greek_to_english.html , this translator is quite good) That would make it a plain womanizer which nicely fits into the Ladino text. g On 26.04.2008, at 22:10, Gernot Hilger wrote: and also in Greek, berbantis (Μπερμπάντης). I do not know exactly what It means, but is is a word for a man in the field also containing women and adultery. g On 26.04.2008, at 21:50, Roman Turovsky wrote: There is a similar word in Italian- BIRBANTE. RT - Original Message - From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text. hi, Herbert, 'berbante'... for me, with modern ears, it sounds as a sort of mixture between 'bribón' (= rascal) and 'bergante' (= someone very lazy and also crook, like the Lazarillo, that famous character in the spanish novel from the XVI Cent.). Saludos, Manolo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text.
and also in Greek, berbantis (Μπερμπάντης). I do not know exactly what It means, but is is a word for a man in the field also containing women and adultery. g On 26.04.2008, at 21:50, Roman Turovsky wrote: There is a similar word in Italian- BIRBANTE. RT - Original Message - From: Manolo Laguillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LUTELIST lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:38 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Translation for Ladino text. hi, Herbert, 'berbante'... for me, with modern ears, it sounds as a sort of mixture between 'bribón' (= rascal) and 'bergante' (= someone very lazy and also crook, like the Lazarillo, that famous character in the spanish novel from the XVI Cent.). Saludos, Manolo To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lutes have obscene connotations?
What a source this list is! Thank you, Peter g On 11.04.2008, at 15:34, Peter Martin wrote: There's an entertaining chapter about rude lutes in Julia Criag- McFeely's thesis at http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/chapter8.pdf with pictures at http://www.ramesescats.co.uk/thesis/images.html P To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: The Sautschecks' Tabulatures/L'intavolature dei Sautscheck
in fact, Firefox works. Safari, which is as compliant to web standards as can be does not. There must be something wrong with your coding, Roman. Thanks nevertheless for the link! g On 09.04.2008, at 13:16, Roman Turovsky wrote: That is IExplorer problem, methinks. Use Firefox. RT From: Tony Chalkley [EMAIL PROTECTED] The text bit seems to have been censored - I get the title and then, a whole screen lower, videos and links to the midi and pdfs, all in Cyrillic (not that I am incapable of transliterating that much Cyrillic). Tony - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lutelist lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: The Sautschecks' Tabulatures/L'intavolature dei Sautscheck I have just posted a baroque lute adaptation of one great Ukrainian historical ballad from the late 17th century with an English translation of the text for your perusal and delectation: http://torban.org/pisni/ghomin.html Some of you may be already familiar with its renaissance lute version, here played by our own Ed Durbrow as Ruthenica XXXVI (http://www.torban.org/ruthenicae/audio/ruthenica36.mp3 ). Enjoy, RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: Van Dyck
This programme is UK only... On 09.04.2008, at 11:26, Andrew Gibbs wrote: Congratulations indeed - a very impressive performance - they done us proud... http://tinyurl.com/5laro9 (or if that doesn't work http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/ then choose A to Z / U / University Challenge Episode 4) Andrew On 9 Apr 2008, at 08:54, Tony Chalkley wrote: This is perhaps the moment to congratulate Peter and his fellow team members on their win over a team of engineers on University Challenge last night. Narrow but convincing. Presumably a trip to the Prado was a prize. Tony -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque opera scores
The low-res version worked fine. With 31 MB, it is definitely not low-res g Zitat von dc [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The high-res jpg of Kirnberger takes you to a Favart opera indeed, and the low-res pdf yields an error message. So no theory for today... Dennis To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Fingering question
Dear list, today, I played through the freshly downloaded Schoole of Musicke and stumbled about an issue which has been bothering me for a while. There are quite often fingerings which are unnecessarily difficult and impede the flow of the music. For example the penultimate measure in the Spanish Pavin is e-f-h---f- f-f-a-b--- f-g--- -- --a---a--- a---e- It would be much easier and smoother to play as e-f-h---f- f-f-a- f-g---g--- -- --a---a--- a---e- How does everybody deal with this? I just change the tab, always wondering why virtuoso lutenists would choose the more difficult way. Is this because of some meantone temperament issues? Gernot -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: name that composer
Thank you, Benjamin. This worked in fact. Unfortunately, there are no details about the original composers. Charteris however states ...where they are all unattributed... which means he thinks the pieces are in fact Italian. g On 24.03.2008, at 18:53, Benjamin Narvey wrote: Here it is - hope this works! Best, Benjamin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Forqueray
He already did so, only in Croatian. See http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~sprite/mhifoe.html Zitat von Peter Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Next you'll be telling us it's full of eels, I suppose... P On 16/03/2008, David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hovercraft :) p.s. what's lebdjelica ?? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] How to become a great lute player...
.. even if you don't bother to tune the axe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3obSs3fwu8 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hautman
Most like from Early Music magazine, which is probably what you already know. I do not have this 1976 magazine, thus I have no idea what the original source might have been. See also: http://www.unh.edu/music/Icon/iltifs.htm It might be worthwhile asking DvE. g On 12.02.2008, at 23:49, Shaun Ng wrote: Does anyone know where this engraving of Hautman is taken from? http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/spencer/html/Page%20413.html Thanks. Shaun To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: All JSB from china or russia
Zitat von LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The complete Bach-Gesellschaft Edition (1851-1900) has been for some time in the public domain. I believe he rather wants to learn about safe sources of pirated music. Mustafa, this is not the place to ask for such things. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Polish, anyone?
It is about what you would expect. They have a group to play muzyka dawna, early music. They play mostly, but not only Polish music from renaissance to 18th century. More than 200 concerts in Poland. The motto must be something like Pleasant peace lives in your house. After the husband has gambled everything away, the wife sings (I could not find przyspiewac. Bernd? Jurek?) Zitat von Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nice picture of a 'mandora' on this site: http://www.innow.com.pl/muzykadawna/contrabellum.htm What's it all about? Rob To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Polish, anyone?
You are probably right. I mixed up przygrywac and przegrywac. On Jan 30, 2008 1:18 PM, Bernd Haegemann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: better wait for Jurek to wake up ;-)) I would understand it NOT as has lost everything in gambling, but : when the husband accompanies (well), the wife sings... -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: bach and karamazov
I wonder why nobody responded to this one so far. I must say I actually quite like it. I could do without Edin hugging and swaying the lute like a madman. But this piece can take some punishment and showmanship. Not bad. g On 28.01.2008, at 15:36, Roman Turovsky wrote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=gmHVj6tiIi0 RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Picardy puzzle
The music can be found in Werner Icking's archive which is normally quite reliable and a great source. http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/bach/cello_suites/vc100712.pdf g On 26.01.2008, at 22:33, Roman Turovsky wrote: Could anyone check whether the cello version of BWV 995 has picardy thirds the lute version hasn't ? I don't have the material handy. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Picardy puzzle
There is a facsimile at: http://www.wimmercello.com/bachs5ms.html On 26.01.2008, at 22:47, David Tayler wrote: The Bach Suite editions on Icking have a lot of mistakes in them. You can find the facsimile on the internet, if I have time I'll do that tonight. dt At 01:44 PM 1/26/2008, you wrote: The music can be found in Werner Icking's archive which is normally quite reliable and a great source. http://icking-music-archive.org/scores/bach/cello_suites/vc100712.pdf g On 26.01.2008, at 22:33, Roman Turovsky wrote: Could anyone check whether the cello version of BWV 995 has picardy thirds the lute version hasn't ? I don't have the material handy. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Karamazov...
Phew. What a discussion. I was away for a few days and just finished digging through my inbox. Forlorn hope has been my favourite for decades and is still in my top ten not necessarily only among lute music. What a piece! In my humble opinion, Edin's interpretation is as well interesting as fascinating as, alas, disgusting. I like his rather fast tempo which is about what I am heading for. I very much like his nuances, e.g. a portato bass over very light, hushed treble figurations. Brilliant! Too much lute music is played in an overly introverted manner which is often dull and boring. But I utterly dislike the jarring sounds at 1:27 ff. WTF is this good for? And why does he change to a comparatively sweet tone a few bars later? The music does not call for this, why these effects? Smattering! The minor ending is abominable, it almost destroys the piece, although I understand what Roman says, I just cannot follow. I do not mind the silly video. I did not like Genesis' (or rather anybody's) stage show although I still love their music. The video is not important. I'd extremely like to hear a sensitive musician like Edin play without what are for me cheap effects. One can sense great things hidden under silly shenanigans. g On Jan 24, 2008 12:57 PM, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=rVWvfnGpF-Y 'nuf said... RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Must be a font problem. I cannot read the file both in OSX and XP (under Parallels, though) g On 23.01.2008, at 22:19, Martin Eastwell wrote: I believe that it is a problem with the way this PDF is generated. The PDF format should embed the font in the document. I can't read this on my Mac, though lots of other PDF's from the same site work fine. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
It is a font problem. Spotlight found a zip file for me somewhere on my hard drive, Django-fontes.zip which contains two fonts. I doubleclicked and installed these in Leopard and the Brescianello works just fine. I do not believe that I obtained these illegally, therefore I am prepared to share. g This file contains two fonts, On 23.01.2008, at 22:47, Gernot Hilger wrote: Must be a font problem. I cannot read the file both in OSX and XP (under Parallels, though) g On 23.01.2008, at 22:19, Martin Eastwell wrote: I believe that it is a problem with the way this PDF is generated. The PDF format should embed the font in the document. I can't read this on my Mac, though lots of other PDF's from the same site work fine. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
I found the source and it is not illegal, I downloaded it from http://www.xs4all.nl/~paulduif/luth-librairie/ , but I cannot find the link. Drop me an email if you wish a copy. g On 23.01.2008, at 22:53, Gernot Hilger wrote: It is a font problem. Spotlight found a zip file for me somewhere on my hard drive, Django-fontes.zip which contains two fonts. I doubleclicked and installed these in Leopard and the Brescianello works just fine. I do not believe that I obtained these illegally, therefore I am prepared to share. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: airs for lute in d minor tuning
Zitat von Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Please excuse my ignorance, but what does 'geistliche' mean in English? Rob It means sacred or spiritual. sacred melodies A decent online dictionary is http://dict.leo.org, albeit in German. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: recording with ZOOM H2
Ed, this is a non-Mac site. I tried all my browsers to no avail. Sorry! g On 13.01.2008, at 16:52, Ed Durbrow wrote: When I click on a piece it takes me to another window. Do you have to join just to listen? On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:31 AM, Daniel F Heiman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hi all, if someone is interested. i got the ZOOM 2H today and did my first recording (work in progress :-). it is easy to handle. look at: http://www.esnips.com/web/lautenklang/ Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Japanese lute - help!
David van Ooijen knows about the shamisen and has compiled a page: http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/sashimisen/things_japanese/shamisen_f.html g Zitat von Paul Kieffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hello, does anyone know anything about the Shamisen? i am in the midst of a project that will probably turn out to be epic. see a video here if the link doesnt work, go and find the video on google. type in shamisen. where can i get one? who plays it/teaches it? anybody who knows anything about it please email me privately, thanks. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: RH on the bridge - Off topic :)
The advanced variant is: There are 10 kinds of people those who understand binary and those who don't g (physicist) Zitat von Spring, aus dem, Rainer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are three kinds of mathematicians: those who can count and those who can't. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: OT- video
Not necessarily. It is extremely easy in iMovie (v.6, beware of v.8) and should not be much more difficult in FCP. g Zitat von Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The DVD was made from a tape. I would prefer not to separate video and audio, because getting them back into synch would be a nightmare. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Is 8c really the standard?
Michael, I believe that in fact 7c was standard, but they either tuned the 7th course to F or D on a G lute. The 8c is a convenient way to have both tunings on one lute, so it is sort of a standard today. g Zitat von Michael Bocchicchio [EMAIL PROTECTED]: People who have purchased lutes from me in the past have all come to me with the common wisdom that the 8c. is the standard. Why would this be? Is it true now? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Frets
Schrödinger's cat gut, I assume? g On Nov 23, 2007 7:59 AM, David Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I source all my quantagut from Schroedinger's Gut Hut. It's the real thing. I think. Or at least it might have been. You should google the address; I can't recall what state it will be in. dt To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dedillo
Zitat von Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could someone please post the URL so I could watch this? Thank you. http://youtube.com/watch?v=G23_pcCZkZg To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: dedillo
The video looks very much like dedillo, but the sound tells us otherwise. Bass and treble are merely alternating as are the thumb and index. If it were dedillo we'd notice more than one treble note per bass note. Is the piece really attributed to Molinaro? g On 01.11.2007, at 12:41, Robert Clair wrote: I recently watched a YouTube clip with PO'D, from some instructional TV program, where he played the Poulton #73 (Molinaro-dubious-very-fine) Fantasia with dedillo in the final show-off. I thought that was cool, as I play it differently. Let me gently suggest that you watch the video again. He is playing the tremolo with a normal thumb-index alternation. If you're not convinced, download the video and watch it with a viewer where you can go frame by frame. It's quite clear. (TubeTV + QuickTime will work on a Mac, can't help with the Redmond product.) Bob -- My lute is strung entirely in gut., said Tom sheepishly. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Wascha mesa, olim Amps or no Amps
On 08.10.2007, at 18:31, Roman Turovsky wrote: As for Newsidler, welsch most certainly meant Italian. -- Mathias I am not convinced 100%. RT Roman, Wikipedia is not one of the most reliable sources, but you might read http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsche I have never heard (not even in older books, Praetorius certainly uses Welsch for Italians or French) Welsch other than meaning Italians or French, or people in other countries speaking Italian or French. The others are Walachen from the Walachei, which obviously has the same roots, but is completely different. Do you have a source for the Walachei theory? BTW, greetings from Masha Sablina. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Facets on a solid lute mould
Marc, I made mine with a set of templates taken from the plan. I made one template for the cross section length wise and 5 or 6 across. After carving the mould to shape in the proper places, I just planed by eye. The result was quite satisfactory. I do however believe that toast rack moulds and sellotape are easier to use than solid moulds and wedges à la Lundberg. Except perhaps for multirib lutes. Gernot Zitat von Marc Soljak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, I've just received OEHistorical Lute Construction' from the American Luthiers Guild. A fantastic book. There are very detailed instructions on how to build a bowl mould but no mention on how to facet them (it mentions that a accurately faceted mould is essential). It looks to me like most English builders use a section/bulkhead method of construction, like David Van Edward's CD courses and that bulk head construction has been historically documented, but does anyone know how to calculate/project and carve the facets from a solid block of wood? Other wise I am stuck before I begin. Thanks for any suggestions you can give. Marc. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: ugh....pellergini again #4
The URL finally made it, but it is quite longish and did not open. Shorter URLs: Image alone http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/guitar/pellegrini1.jpg Google images Link http://tinyurl.com/36e33t g Zitat von [EMAIL PROTECTED]: for some freakin' reason aol would note post the hyperlink to the Pellegrini url... so here it is... http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/guitar/pellegrini1.jpg; imgrefurl=http://www.library.appstate.edu/music/guitar/1650pellegrini.htmlh=550w=413sz=68hl=enstart tbnid=IPdMEkGOpPWKnM: tbnh=133tbnw=100 prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddomenico%2Bpellegrini%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: lute repair question
Hola Laura, you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen. And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it. Good luck g On 08.07.2007, at 17:59, Laura wrote: --=_NextPart_001_0002_01C7C15F.C992E650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until yesterday night when it decided to mute itself... The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No previous sign of being unglued, anything. The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted. The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to evaluate other person to fix it. Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this type of problem, so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge? Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge is ok? thanks, Laura snif Laura Maschi To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: jazz on Lute
I would certainly be interested who else has been caught improvising against Sor or Mozart! Among my friends, I used to be known to be notoriously abusive against JSB, but I couldn't help it, JSB is by far the greatest of the entire lot and can for sure stand a little abuse. On 30.06.2007, at 00:17, Ed Durbrow wrote: Did he ever play lute? I wouldn't put it past him. I witnessed him improvise amazingly against George Sakellariou playing Sor's Variations on a theme by Mozart at a dinner party once. On Jun 30, 2007, at 4:47 AM, Roman Turovsky wrote: I also recall a fellow by the name Fred Hand who did something of the sorts ca. 20 years ago Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/ -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: complete Piccinini on cd
Amazon.de have lowered the price to 4,95. My copy arrived today. I have not heard too much, but it sounds promising and is definitely worth the money. I am now waiting for my new liuto attiorbato to arrive later this year. Anybody recommend an edition of this music? g On 12.05.2007, at 09:50, G. Crona wrote: Thanks Gernot, it came to 12,71 Euros within Europe, still quite cheap for a double CD. Hope it's good! :) Best G. - Original Message - From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:45 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: complete Piccinini on cd Hi Göran, search for piccinini lute music g Zitat von G.R. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I tried to order it from Kruitvat, but they don't seem to cater to outside Pays Bas. Also searched for it on Amazon.de, without result. G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: complete Piccinini on cd
Thank you, David. I do not know whether Kruitvat ships outside of the Netherlands. Amazon (at least Amazon.de) has got this CD for 7,99 with free shipping. Gernot Zitat von LGS-Europe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dutch (and Belgian?) drugstore het Kruidvat has a 2cd with the complete works of Piccinini for just under 5 euro for sale. Also available the complete Giuliani guitar duets on three cds for just under 6 euro. www.kruidvat.nl if your local shop doesn't have it on its chaotic shelfs. David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: complete Piccinini on cd
Hi Göran, search for piccinini lute music g Zitat von G.R. Crona [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I tried to order it from Kruitvat, but they don't seem to cater to outside Pays Bas. Also searched for it on Amazon.de, without result. G. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Hello! A couple questions.
On 29.04.2007, at 21:56, The Other wrote: On Saturday 28 April 2007 03:25, John Scott wrote: What can I use to tighten the tuning pegs? One has a tendency to slip every time I try to adjust the tuning. The lute came with a little piece of black wax labelled 'Peg Paste', but it looks like it might lubricate the peg rather than add traction. What is the best material for a) giving pegs more friction and b) giving them *less* friction? Check with the violin/fiddle players in your area. Violin players often use fine tuners and are not always peg experts. Good peg paste normally is the way to go. If one peg slips, it is most likely not fitting properly. I'd recommend to look at the wear marks (polished spots where the pegs grip) and look whether both ends have contact to the holes and whether holes and/or pegs are round and not oval. If at all one side grips less, this should be the side next to the peg head. If you know what to do, the peg can quite simply be refitted with fine sandpaper. If you don't, find a luthier and get it fixed. I got the suggestion to use Lava hand soap (in bar form). Lava contains 'pumice', a form of volcanic ash. The pumice adds a soft grit to the pegs and helps keep them from slipping. I keep a bar of Lava in a zip-lock bag in the lute case. But be warned, the wood of the lute has absorbed the smell of the Lava soap. I like the smell. Some use blackboard chalk for the same purpose. Be careful not to use something too abrasive because pegs and pegbox might wear prematurely. Again, if the pegs are properly fitted, peg paste will do the trick. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartoli lets it blast
On 10.02.2007, at 18:32, Mathias Rösel wrote: Whatever she yells at him, she's just awesome. I thought the English word was awful. ;-) I agree with Roman that there are many lousy singers without any emotion in the baroque business. And Bartoli's temperament and passion is for sure brilliant. But I was under the impression that the coloraturas were meant to be sung at a certain pitch and not barked. Ok, it is a matter of taste. I can't stand it. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartoli lets it blast
Strictly spoken, it is not Ozias but rather Vagaus speaking. The text is: Armed with your firebands and serpents, leaving your dark and dreadful kingdom, you cruel attendants, o furies, come to our aid. Teach us, whose hearts are full of indignation, to avenge the murder of our leader by death, with the lash and through massacre. I have uploaded (for a short time) a shortened version (copyright...) sung by Marina Comparato. There is a way to sing the coloraturas with proper pitch. www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/armataeface.mp3 g On 10.02.2007, at 19:11, Roman Turovsky wrote: It is the part of Ozias, on discovery that Holophernes' head has been cut off. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartoli lets it blast
Quicktime, iTunes and VLC open it. But I have recoded it with iTunes. Windows Media now works. g On 10.02.2007, at 21:26, Donatella Galletti wrote: Windows Media cannot open it other sources the like? Donatella To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Bartoli lets it blast
To finish my part of discussing Bartoli with the statement that I never doubted that she is a fine singer if she does not try to sing fast passages like a machine gun. Listen to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr3WNaMJMA8 What a fine performance! g On 10.02.2007, at 21:47, Roman Turovsky wrote: It's her distinct way to sing those fast notes clearly. I for one like it that way (which doesn't exclude other way). -- Mathias So do I. RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Chaconne
The easiest way is just playing it from the original violin score and adding a few notes where found appropriate. I do this from time to time and it is very satisfying. This is one piece of music! Gernot On 09.02.2007, at 21:06, Howard Posner wrote: On Friday, Feb 9, 2007, at 10:58 America/Los_Angeles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I have looked everywhere for an arrangement of Bachs Chaconne BWV 1004 for 11 or 13 stringed lute. Gusta Goldschmidt did a 13-course version of all the violin sonatas and partitas, published in 1983 by Muziekuitgeverij Saul B. Groen. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Discography Help Requested.
that would be tasto solo. Obbligato is the real thing, with melodies and trills and the like. g On 02.02.2007, at 22:15, David Rastall wrote: You mean just playing a bass line? That would be part of the continuo, wouldn't it? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: another version of Pachabel Cannon
I am quite impressed. Whether one likes it or not is a matter of taste, methinks. This young fellow is surely gifted. g On 24.01.2007, at 15:28, Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: At 03:38 AM 1/24/2007, Ed Durbrow wrote: Nothing to do with lutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjA5faZF1A8mode=relatedsearch= If this is the standard of bedroom guitarists now, I gave up being serious about guitar at the right time. I played a wedding on 30 December (who the hell gets married on 30 December!?). The minister came back to talk to us before the ceremony, knowing we'd be playing Pachelbel's Canon (a similarly cheesy arrangement in spite of the absence of crunchy parallel 5ths on distorted electric guitar). Funny thing, he had the whole of this JerryC arrangement recorded on his cell phone...and he made us listen to the whole stinkin' thing while sporting a huge grin. He was obviously very excited about it all. I couldn't do much but smile and nod in reply. Eugene To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Mega concert (was Re: Transitional Tunings)
Thanks, Roman, but this is only the announcement g On 26.11.2006, at 15:55, Roman Turovsky wrote: http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com/12164.html?thread=49028#t49028 - Original Message - From: Daniel Shoskes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mathias Rösel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Mega concert (was Re: Transitional Tunings) How did the concert go on Nov 24th that you list on your livejournal page? Were you the only plucker in attendance? Between all the continuo, solo theorbo and solo baroque lute, that was a LOT of notes! DS On Nov 26, 2006, at 8:50 AM, Mathias Rösel wrote: -- Best, Mathias http://mathiasroesel.livejournal.com http://www.myspace.com/mathiasroesel http://de.geocities.com/mathiasroesel -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sting and his CD
There must be something wrong with the sample. I can't understand a word :-) On 17.10.2006, at 22:24, Howard Posner wrote: On Tuesday, Oct 17, 2006, at 11:28 America/Los_Angeles, Stewart McCoy wrote: Dear Alfonso, If what you say is true, there must be something wrong with how they assess lutenists at the Conservatorium van Amsterdam. I have listened to Sting's CD, and I have to say I am impressed with what he has done: 1) All the words are sung clearly. Might we try an experiment, listers? go to http://www.amazon.com/Songs-Labyrinth-Sting/dp/B000HXDESU click on the sample for track 19 and try to write down the words he sings. There aren't that many, since it's only a 30-second sample. No fair if you already know what they are. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sting
Hi, I thought I'd add just another message to the recent Sting flurry, probably superfluously... Curious about the big fuss the recording has stirred up I decided to finally buy my first ever song from iTunes Music Store, namely In darkness let me dwell. And I do not regret ist. Surely, had I one, my singing teacher would complain about the airy sound of Sting's voice. And the miking is all but lucky, much too close, as everybody else has stated before. But nevertheless I like the song as performed here quite a lot. The jarring sounds as cited are very authentic and the more dark parts of the lyrics also sound very personal and tief empfunden to me. Good! I do not like some of the other songs, in particular Come Again is almost ridiculously out of rhythm, there is no pulse underlying the music. If I can sweettalk my soprano girlfriend into a similarly emotional version of this song with her guitar (!) partner, I'll probably expose myself to the usual HIP induced abuse here... Response was not too bad when I linked to my choir's semi-romantic rendition of Josquin's Agnus Dei from missa l'homme armé super voces musicales at www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/agnusIII.mp3 It is my belief that there is true music besides the usual well-worn paths. Not all of it is good, but In darkness probably is. Good night Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Sting? - Lute awareness?- Fantasy instrument - 30 Years of EM
On 25.09.2006, at 21:28, Caroline Usher wrote: Ignorance is bliss. Not at all being a native speaker, but naturally curious I looked up bliss in my Mac's dictionary and here is what came out: a state of spiritual blessedness, typically that reached after death. The sound clip was sort of interesting although I can hardly figure out what exactly they were talking about. JEEZ! To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Naïve question
Collected wisdom, following Roman's link to the Cesar Mateus' site I was very happy to finally find a source of Ennemond Gaultier's La Poste. Not too difficult, this one. Only, if I play this as written, notes inégales not withstanding, it sounds very much different from what Hoppy plays. On particular the syncopations near the end of the piece are not too obvious in the tablature, if I am not too much mistaken. The naïve question is: did Hoppy invent more than is written or am I just too bland to play the music? g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: [LUTE] Naïve question
Never mind some proof reading... Collected wisdom, following Roman's link to the Cesar Mateus' site I was very happy to finally find a source of Ennemond Gaultier's La Poste. Not too difficult, this one. Only, if played as written, notes inégales not withstanding, it sounds very much different from what Hoppy plays. In particular the syncopations near the end of the piece are not too obvious in the tablature, if I am not too much mistaken. The naïve question is: did Hoppy invent more than what is written or am I just too bland to play the music? g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minor sharp keys?
This is not too much of a surprise because b-minor (h-moll) and D- major (D-Dur) have the same accidentals g On 23.09.2006, at 13:52, Andreas Schlegel wrote: Attention: This b-minor menuet has the basses in d major! It's part of a d-major suite / sonata. Andreas To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute songs about food and drink
Here in Germany, Starkbier was invented by hungry monks as food replacement during lent, so the song might be acceptable. I do not know Watkin's Ale, though! Best wishes Gernot On 9/15/06, Stewart McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watkin's Ale isn't about food. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Lute songs about food and drink
OK, thank you. I see. It is neither about food nor about lent. Rejected! Zitat von Craig Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gernot, try this link for the lyrics and tune for Watkin's Ale. Regards, Craig To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Gluing ribs.
Herbert, you certainly have a habit of looking at things different from what others might do :-) Whether you use adhesive tape or little wedges to hold the to-be- glued rib in place, you won't need any holes in the mould, because you just attach one rib to those formerly glued on. You just apply the adhesive, preferably good old hide glue, fix the rib with tape or whatever your preferred method is and here we go. The trick is that you fix one rib at a time and not all simultaneously. That is why no holes are required. Best wishes Gernot On 06.09.2006, at 18:53, Herbert Ward wrote: Ribs are attached to a form to hold them together while they're getting glued. Right? If so, then it must be a bit of a trick to inject/insert the glue into the space between the ribs and the form, since the ribs are supposed to fit together without gaps. Maybe the form has holes for this purpose? Please, no puns about stick to your ribs. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Strings which ring too long.
Not too serious: listing cloth like in clavichords might work. David's advice seems more sensible, though. g P.S. nicely ringing basses to be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmmaYP4IWh8 and even worse http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-cu1MwVEV4 To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: chaconne by vieux gautier
www.jsbach.mynetcologne.de/chaconne.mp3 only the first minute g On 09.07.2006, at 13:52, Bernd Haegemann wrote: Does anybody perhaps have the score of a Chaconne in A major by Vieux Gautier in A major? In the CNRS edition there are 3 Chaconnes, in C, F, F. would it be possible to put the incipit of the piece as mp3 somewhere? best regards BH To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)
Hi all, I assume most of those ranting here have in fact tried to apply oil to their soundboards. I have. Therefore I cannot believe that a small quantity of drying oil does any harm AT ALL to the sound of the finished instrument. Soundboard thickness is in the order of magnitude of 1.5 mm. Well planed, it will accept a coat of say 0.02 mm of any drying oil if applied not too generously. 0.02 mm is approximately 1.3 percent of soundboard thickness. My congrats to those with Golden Ears who hear the difference. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table)
Roman, I really hate to disagree, but how come that violins 500 years old have survived with their drying oils based varnishes though made of spruce and maple? g On 27.06.2006, at 23:23, Roman Turovsky wrote: According to a colleague who was a paintings conservator at the Met Museum, linseed oil's acidic PH will react corrosively with alcaline one of such durable fiber as linen (if unprimed/sized). Linen is a lot more durable than spruce, to be sure. RT - Original Message - From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: Protecting the unfinished top (table) Hi all, I assume most of those ranting here have in fact tried to apply oil to their soundboards. I have. Therefore I cannot believe that a small quantity of drying oil does any harm AT ALL to the sound of the finished instrument. Soundboard thickness is in the order of magnitude of 1.5 mm. Well planed, it will accept a coat of say 0.02 mm of any drying oil if applied not too generously. 0.02 mm is approximately 1.3 percent of soundboard thickness. My congrats to those with Golden Ears who hear the difference. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: A special dedication to Arto Wikla
Arto, not being overly faint-hearted I am currently trying to learn Polish which is at least as as mind-wrecking as my native German probably is. I shall probably not dare to approach your language. Gives me the creeps!! g On 29.05.2006, at 23:47, Arto Wikla wrote: I wrote about Finnish grammar: I have just some tiny comments: In the name of the piece the genetive form of my name is ok, but the end LUUTTU POLKAA should be either LUUTTUPOLKKA or LUUTTUPOLKKAA. The first is in nominative form and means (the) lute polka, the second is in partitive form and means something like (part of a) lute polka. Of course there is still third possibility: If you meant to write Arto Wiklan luuttu polkkaa, that would mean Arto Wikla's lute is dancing the polka, or if it is possible in English, the lute is polking - dancing polka -- polking... ;) --- here endeth my grammar lessons --- Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: videos deleted
Hi Mac users, regardless of who acquired knowledge of anybody's iMacs by whatever source: provided that you've got 10.3.9 or higher up and running (runs really fine on my old G3/500), you CAN play WMV videos using the free flip4mac plugin ( http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ windowsmedia/player/wmcomponents.mspx ). I'd never dare to encourage people to use proprietary MS file formats, but even those can be viewed. Best wishes g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: videos deleted
Arto, I quietly enjoyed your videos. I have not yet had the opportunity to see Thomas'. Perhaps he's going to make'em available again, will you please, Thomas? Never mind the bollocks! g On 29.04.2006, at 23:28, Arto Wikla wrote: Dear Thomas, after the receipt of harsh critics I think it's better to delete the videos. Thanks to the others for their positive input which will help to improve the quality of videos and possibly my playing. What a pity that you deleted your videos before I had time to watch and listen to them! I cannot imagine who could have been the harsh critics and what could have been his/her motivations. Anyhow, to me the climate of the lute list is not what it used to be... Well there used to be stupidness also in ancient times, but generally the feeling and responsiveness (if there is such word in English?) was better than today. What to me has been hard, is that you do not get much response to anything you write or publish in the net. For ex. my Sarmaticae video clips did not get nearly any comments on the List. In a way even harsh critique would have been welcome, just to show that someone at least noticed my message... ;-) All the best! Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: I like those little romantic guitar replicas
Dear greeting- and nameless, among others, Philippe Mottet-Rio makes romantic guitars. http://www.anselmus.ch/fr/guitares/guitare_general.htm#signet_04 Unfortunately I cannot find an English website. Philippe reads and speaks English in case you'd like to ask him. Best wishes Gernot Zitat von saw 192837 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I like those little romantic guitar replicas. Like this http://lkbrownviolins.com/romantic_guitars.htm Do you know of any others being made? How do they sound compared to modern guitars? Thx To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Building a fine action.
Hello, lutes have the additional advantage that the action can be corrected be moving the string up and down at the bridge. No need to file or even switch to nasty German rasp-work. Nevertheless, it is correct what Doctor Oakroot says about the various aspects of lutemaking where a certain amount of carefulness doesn't hurt. The first and most important thing is the correct angle between neck and shell. This angle is made accurate to a few tenths of a degree. When gluing on the top, the action can be corrected within certain limits by flexing the shell. You'd make longer bars if your action is too low and vice versa. The action can even be corrected after the top is glued on. One could scrape a bit off the fingerboard or use a tapered fingerboard. But, the later you correct, the less can be done. 3 thousand of an inch are about 0,08 mm or nearly 0,1 mm. One would probably not notice this difference if one only looks -for example- at the action height at the 9th fret. I even doubt that this difference can be felt on an electric guitar. But you'd certainly notice if one of your frets/fret guts is 0,1 mm too thick. So I should think that there is not much difference between lutes and electric guitars in terms of precision. g Zitat von Doctor Oakroot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Acoustic instruments usually have higher action than electric guitars and consequently a great absolute error tolerance. And gut (and nylon) are considerable more forgiving than steel. Beyond that, it's careful measurement, careful construction, and a good set of files for adjusting the nut and bridge... oh, and a lot of patience. From my experience in setting up electric guitars, a good action has an error tolerance of 1-3 thousandths of an inch (string to fret clearance). It seems remarkable that lute builders achieve this without adjustment screws. Is this a matter of holding the neck exactly in place while the glue dries? To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- http://DoctorOakroot.com - Rough-edged songs on homemade GIT-tars.
[LUTE] Re: New features in my Calculator
Hi Mac-users, I also had some trouble with the calculator. Here's how to get it to work under 10.4.5 - load the J2SE5 Java package from www.apple.com (a hefty 42 MB download) - install Java 5 aka 1.5 - open Java Preferences - select General tab - activate J2SE 5.0 - drag J2SE 5.0 to the top in Java Application Runtime Settings I had deleted the temporary files, whether this was necessary or not, I don't know. Good luck Gernot To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: Luthiers (wood)
Hi Nick, I believe it was a Hoffmann copy, but I am all but sure. BTW, I remember that Martin had built and sold the lute for/to a client who later unfotunately had to give up playing. Martin had bought it back, so it was not exactly new, but in pristine condition. The wood was taken from the boat's wall panels and was the most spectacular bird's eyes maple that I have seen so far. The instrument was so beautiful that I was tempted to shell out money I didn't have then. From time to time, there is some chagrin that I was too rational. g Zitat von Nick Gravestock [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A couple of years ago, I had the chance to play a very nice baroque lute by Martin Bowers he had just made where the back was from wood saved from an old barge if my memory serves me correctly. It was 13 courses with bass rider rather than swan neck, but forget the original it was a copy of - it might come back to me later. The sound was good, as was the finish. He had built it on spec rather than to commission and brought it along to one of David Van Edwards summer schools in lute building. He later sold it, though I don't know who to, but others who were there might remember more details than I do Nick To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
