[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[Ed Durbrow]

Ha, ha. Me too. I bought one in Japan in the 80s after selling my Lyn Elder 
lute in Switzerland. Bit of a step down, but I had been lute less for 5 years. 
My friends ran a music school and it was Yamaha affiliated. They supposedly got 
me a deal. I had a choice between two Aria lutes for the same price. I stupidly 
chose the 8 course standard model instead of the 7 course one that was the 
luthier’s model. I ended up having it rebuilt by Hiro Watanabe at one point.

On Sep 23, 2016, at 7:23 AM, Ron Banks  wrote:

> Bruno,
> 
> If I remember correctly, the Aria/Kadono lutes may have been marketed
> through Yamaha at one point.  I bought one new in 1980 (either an L-75 or an
> L-85) through George Dauphinais for $600.  For entry level instruments, they
> were reasonably light, with a decent sound.They also made a Baroque lute
> at one point.
> 
> Mine (a later model) had a very simple rosette that  was router-cut, and an
> almost parallel fingerboard/neck (which helped me learn how to tighten frets
> soon after I bought it) .  The open pegbox on the later models was pretty
> flexible, but it surprisingly held tune well, and proved to be very durable
> over almost 20 years of ownership.  I still have a loft of fond memories of
> that instrument.  
> 
> Ron Banks


Ed Durbrow
Saitama, Japan
http://www.youtube.com/user/edurbrow?feature=watch
https://soundcloud.com/ed-durbrow
http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/

View my music video ’Trumped’ at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrLe6TWO16A_channel=EdDurbrow






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[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[Ron Banks]

Bruno,

If I remember correctly, the Aria/Kadono lutes may have been marketed
through Yamaha at one point.  I bought one new in 1980 (either an L-75 or an
L-85) through George Dauphinais for $600.  For entry level instruments, they
were reasonably light, with a decent sound.They also made a Baroque lute
at one point.

Mine (a later model) had a very simple rosette that  was router-cut, and an
almost parallel fingerboard/neck (which helped me learn how to tighten frets
soon after I bought it) .  The open pegbox on the later models was pretty
flexible, but it surprisingly held tune well, and proved to be very durable
over almost 20 years of ownership.  I still have a loft of fond memories of
that instrument.  

Ron Banks



-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 3:52 PM
To: sterling price <spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Cc: John Mardinly <john.mardi...@asu.edu>; cyndi...@netscape.net;
lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

   yamaha made lutes? wow .. I never knew in the 40 years I've been
   playing..
   Bruno

   2016-09-22 16:25 GMT-04:00 sterling price
   <[1]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:

Umm---why don't you just tighten the frets yourself? That's a
 very
basic thing every lute player should know how to do. Its like
 being
able to tie your shoes as a kid--
SP
  
 __
From: John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
To: "[3]cyndi...@netscape.net" <[4]cyndi...@netscape.net>
Cc: "[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area
  I had my lute undergo extensive restoration last year by Mel
 Wong.
  [1][1][7]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  Just ship by UPS. Mel says he has never had a problem shipping
 by
UPS.
  A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
  Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
  EMail: [2][2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
  Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
  But don't call the labI won't be there!
  On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:24 PM, [4][3][8]cyndi...@netscape.net
 wrote:
Hello
I have an 8 course Yamaha lute, about 30 years old. Have not
 been
  able
to play it lately because frets are loose, strings won't stay
 on
etc.
  I
would like it to have professional attention.
I have called around. Not many folks around here have
 repaired
lutes.
They would have to send it out.
Recommendations?
Thanks
Cyndi
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  uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
References
  1. [5][10]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  2. mailto:[6]john.mardi...@asu.edu
  3. tel:[11]408-921-3253
  4. mailto:[7][12]cyndi...@netscape.net
  5.
[8][13]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
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.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=
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 References
1. [14]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
2. mailto:[15]john.mardi...@asu.edu
3. mailto:[16]cyndi...@netscape.net
4. [17]https://urldefense.proofpoint.
 com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
5. [18]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
6. mailto:[19]john.mardi...@asu.edu
7. mailto:[20]cyndi...@netscape.net
8. [21]https://urldefense.proofpoint.
 com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-
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References

   1. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   4. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.

[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[AJN]

   Fret tying:
   [1]https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Beginner-Videos
   Some basic information on the instrument:
   [2]http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/resources/Documents/Beginners%20Guid
   e%20Final.pdf

   The LSA webpages are being filled with spiffy guides and other
   informstion
   On 09/22/16, sterling price<[3]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

   Umm---why don't you just tighten the frets yourself? That's a very
   basic thing every lute player should know how to do. Its like being
   able to tie your shoes as a kid--
   SP
   __
   From: John Mardinly <[4]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   To: "[5]cyndi...@netscape.net" <[6]cyndi...@netscape.net>
   Cc: "[7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[8]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:49 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area
   I had my lute undergo extensive restoration last year by Mel Wong.
   [1][1][9]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   Just ship by UPS. Mel says he has never had a problem shipping by
   UPS.
   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [2][2][10]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the labI won't be there!
   On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:24 PM, [4][3][11]cyndi...@netscape.net wrote:
   Hello
   I have an 8 course Yamaha lute, about 30 years old. Have not been
   able
   to play it lately because frets are loose, strings won't stay on
   etc.
   I
   would like it to have professional attention.
   I have called around. Not many folks around here have repaired
   lutes.
   They would have to send it out.
   Recommendations?
   Thanks
   Cyndi
   --
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   uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
   References
   1. [5][13]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   2. mailto:[6][14]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. tel:408-921-3253
   4. mailto:[7][15]cyndi...@netscape.net
   5.
   [8][16]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartm
   outh
   .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Eji
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   uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
   --
   References
   1. [17]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   2. [18]mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. [19]mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   4.
   [20]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmout
   h
   5. [21]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   6. [22]mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   7. [23]mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   8.
   [24]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmout
   h.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ej
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References

   1. https://lutesocietyofamerica.wildapricot.org/Beginner-Videos
   2. 
http://lutesocietyofamerica.org/resources/Documents/Beginners%20Guide%20Final.pdf%C2%A0
   3. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   5. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   6. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   7. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   8. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   9. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  10. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  11. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  12. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo
  13. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  14. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  15. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  16. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
  17. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  18. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  19. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  20. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
  21. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  22. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  23. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  24. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-kRVCUm4cgxgX1PlnVcuqgpczedUeEYrWQ6MzLXbE2Y=XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmXuiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=

[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[Bruno Cognyl-Fournier]

   yamaha made lutes? wow .. I never knew in the 40 years I've been
   playing..
   Bruno

   2016-09-22 16:25 GMT-04:00 sterling price
   <[1]spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu>:

Umm---why don't you just tighten the frets yourself? That's a
 very
basic thing every lute player should know how to do. Its like
 being
able to tie your shoes as a kid--
SP
  
 __
From: John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
To: "[3]cyndi...@netscape.net" <[4]cyndi...@netscape.net>
Cc: "[5]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[6]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area
  I had my lute undergo extensive restoration last year by Mel
 Wong.
  [1][1][7]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  Just ship by UPS. Mel says he has never had a problem shipping
 by
UPS.
  A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
  Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
  EMail: [2][2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
  Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
  But don't call the labI won't be there!
  On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:24 PM, [4][3][8]cyndi...@netscape.net
 wrote:
Hello
I have an 8 course Yamaha lute, about 30 years old. Have not
 been
  able
to play it lately because frets are loose, strings won't stay
 on
etc.
  I
would like it to have professional attention.
I have called around. Not many folks around here have
 repaired
lutes.
They would have to send it out.
Recommendations?
Thanks
Cyndi
--
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 XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmX
  uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
References
  1. [5][10]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  2. mailto:[6]john.mardi...@asu.edu
  3. tel:[11]408-921-3253
  4. mailto:[7][12]cyndi...@netscape.net
  5.
[8][13]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-
 3A__www.cs.dartmouth
.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=
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z41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3N
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VCUm4cgxgX1PlnVcuqgpczedUeEYrWQ6MzLXbE2Y=
 XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmX
uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
--
 References
1. [14]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
2. mailto:[15]john.mardi...@asu.edu
3. mailto:[16]cyndi...@netscape.net
4. [17]https://urldefense.proofpoint.
 com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
5. [18]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
6. mailto:[19]john.mardi...@asu.edu
7. mailto:[20]cyndi...@netscape.net
8. [21]https://urldefense.proofpoint.
 com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-
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References

   1. mailto:spiffys84...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   4. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   5. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   8. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   9. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo
  10. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  11. tel:408-921-3253
  12. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  13. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
  14. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  15. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  16. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  17. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
  18. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
  19. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
  20. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
  21. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-kRVCUm4cgxgX1PlnVcuqgpczedUeEYrWQ6MzLXbE2Y=XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmXuiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=

[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[sterling price]

   Umm---why don't you just tighten the frets yourself? That's a very
   basic thing every lute player should know how to do. Its like being
   able to tie your shoes as a kid--
   SP
 __

   From: John Mardinly <john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   To: "cyndi...@netscape.net" <cyndi...@netscape.net>
   Cc: "lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
   Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 1:49 PM
   Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area
 I had my lute undergo extensive restoration last year by Mel Wong.
 [1][1]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
 Just ship by UPS. Mel says he has never had a problem shipping by
   UPS.
 A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
 Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
 EMail: [2][2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
 Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
 But don't call the labI won't be there!
 On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:24 PM, [4][3]cyndi...@netscape.net wrote:
   Hello
   I have an 8 course Yamaha lute, about 30 years old. Have not been
 able
   to play it lately because frets are loose, strings won't stay on
   etc.
 I
   would like it to have professional attention.
   I have called around. Not many folks around here have repaired
   lutes.
   They would have to send it out.
   Recommendations?
   Thanks
   Cyndi
   --
 To get on or off this list see list information at

   [5][4]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmo
   uth

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 uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=
   References
 1. [5]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
 2. mailto:[6]john.mardi...@asu.edu
 3. tel:408-921-3253
 4. mailto:[7]cyndi...@netscape.net
 5.
   [8]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
   .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Eji
   z41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-kR
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   uiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=

   --

References

   1. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   4. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth
   5. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   6. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   7. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   8. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-kRVCUm4cgxgX1PlnVcuqgpczedUeEYrWQ6MzLXbE2Y=XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmXuiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=

[LUTE] Re: lute repair Washington DC area

[John Mardinly]

   I had my lute undergo extensive restoration last year by Mel Wong.

   [1]http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/

   Just ship by UPS. Mel says he has never had a problem shipping by UPS.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [2]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [3]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the labI won't be there!

   On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:24 PM, [4]cyndi...@netscape.net wrote:

 Hello
 I have an 8 course Yamaha lute, about 30 years old. Have not been
   able
 to play it lately because frets are loose, strings won't stay on etc.
   I
 would like it to have professional attention.
 I have called around. Not many folks around here have repaired lutes.
 They would have to send it out.
 Recommendations?
 Thanks
 Cyndi
 --
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References

   1. http://www.blackbirdstringarts.com/about/
   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. tel:408-921-3253
   4. mailto:cyndi...@netscape.net
   5. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=CwIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=-kRVCUm4cgxgX1PlnVcuqgpczedUeEYrWQ6MzLXbE2Y=XCdz7Lc5ORbh2jgwRIEPaDLMkbmXuiPzBFq_MPf5sU8=

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[Edward Mast]

Hello Brent,

I think David's reply is on the mark.  My sense is that lute makers of any 
skill are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new instruments.  While 
feeling obligated to do repair work on instruments they've built, this work is 
secondary to the new work they've contracted for.  As frustrating as it is to 
be without an instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker 
about the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok.

A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for work; if you 
can possibly afford it get a second instrument.  There are many things that can 
happen to a lute to make it temporarily unplayable.  Having a backup seems 
prudent.

Best wishes,

Ned
On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote:

 Hi Brent,
 I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments.
 My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their
 time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year
 ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
 contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
 expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months.
 It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it
 was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
 done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
 fantastic PR person.
 
 In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was
 ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
 sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and
 paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with
 the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably
 as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
 fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints
 except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
 expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
 
 If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when
 it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not
 seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone
 under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates.
 This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
 when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
 of wood).
 
 So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done
 and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses
 it is not surprising to me.
 
 I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also
 continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update.
 
 I hope my experiences help some.
 
 Regards
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of brentlynk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?
 
 Hello,
 
 I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a
 couple decades... :-)
 
 I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need some
 advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I do (I
 play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical constraints,
 LOL...).
 
 I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15 years
 ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had some
 difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it in for
 repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the repairs...
 
 But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I want it
 back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the luthier
 simply
 responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished.
 
 Well, that response kind of bothered me because I have been so patient and
 the luthier told me that it would be ready soon a couple months ago...
 
 I realize that everyone is busy, etc...and I want to be a nice guy -- I
 certainly don't want to burn any bridges, etc...(which is why I am not
 mentioning names!). But I am just wondering what an acceptable amount of
 time is for getting such a repair done -- if it is 10 months and I am
 complaining about it at the 5 month mark, I will be TOTALLY ashamed of
 myself
 
 Please, anybody who has had experience with such a situation, I need
 guidance!
 
 Warm regards,
 Brent
 
 
 
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[Bruno Fournier]

   In my opinion no self respecting Luthier should take 8 months to repair
   a cracked soundboard and cracked rib.A  Unless the extent the crack is
   disastrous, they are relatively simple to repair, even if they have to
   remove the top.A

   A

   Bruno

   On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 8:19 AM, Edward Mast [1]nedma...@aol.com
   wrote:

 Hello Brent,
 I think David's reply is on the mark. A My sense is that lute makers
 of any skill are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new
 instruments. A While feeling obligated to do repair work on
 instruments they've built, this work is secondary to the new work
 they've contracted for. A As frustrating as it is to be without an
 instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker
 about the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok.
 A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for
 work; if you can possibly afford it get a second instrument. A There
 are many things that can happen to a lute to make it temporarily
 unplayable. A Having a backup seems prudent.
 Best wishes,
 Ned

   On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote:
Hi Brent,
I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering
   instruments.
My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on
   their
time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One
   year
ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3
   months.
It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it
   until it
was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was
   not
done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
fantastic PR person.
   
In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier)
   that was
ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost
   done and
paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this
   with
the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as
   predictably
as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no
   complaints
except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
   
If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will
   happen when
it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I
   have not
seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like
   someone
under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time
   estimates.
This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really
   many
when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from
   blocks
of wood).
   
So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be
   done
and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the
   responses
it is not surprising to me.
   
I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints
   but also
continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an
   update.
   
I hope my experiences help some.
   
Regards
David
   
-Original Message-
From: [2]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   [mailto:[3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of brentlynk
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
To: [4]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?
   
Hello,
   
I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for
   a
couple decades... :-)
   
I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need
   some
advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I
   do (I
play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical
   constraints,
LOL...).
   
I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15
   years
ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had
   some
difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it
   in for
repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the
   repairs...
   
But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I
   want it
back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the
   luthier
simply
responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished.
   
Well, that response kind of bothered me because I have been so
   patient and
the luthier told me that it would be ready soon a couple months
   ago...
   
I realize that everyone is busy, 

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[Mayes, Joseph]

This makes no sense. If the repair takes that long, there's something wrong! If 
the maker is too busy to attend to the repair, he should not take the job. This 
all brings Luciano Faria to mind.

Joseph Mayes

From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Edward 
Mast [nedma...@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 8:19 AM
To: David Smith
Cc: 'brentlynk'; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

Hello Brent,

I think David's reply is on the mark.  My sense is that lute makers of any 
skill are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new instruments.  While 
feeling obligated to do repair work on instruments they've built, this work is 
secondary to the new work they've contracted for.  As frustrating as it is to 
be without an instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker 
about the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok.

A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for work; if you 
can possibly afford it get a second instrument.  There are many things that can 
happen to a lute to make it temporarily unplayable.  Having a backup seems 
prudent.

Best wishes,

Ned
On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote:

 Hi Brent,
 I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments.
 My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their
 time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year
 ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
 contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
 expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months.
 It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it
 was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
 done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
 fantastic PR person.

 In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was
 ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
 sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and
 paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with
 the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably
 as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
 fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints
 except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
 expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.

 If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when
 it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not
 seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone
 under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates.
 This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
 when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
 of wood).

 So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done
 and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses
 it is not surprising to me.

 I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also
 continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update.

 I hope my experiences help some.

 Regards
 David

 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of brentlynk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?

 Hello,

 I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a
 couple decades... :-)

 I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need some
 advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I do (I
 play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical constraints,
 LOL...).

 I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15 years
 ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had some
 difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it in for
 repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the repairs...

 But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I want it
 back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the luthier
 simply
 responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished.

 Well, that response kind of bothered me because I have been so patient and
 the luthier told me that it would be ready soon a couple months ago...

 I realize that everyone is busy, etc...and I want to be a nice guy -- I
 certainly don't want to burn any bridges, etc...(which is why I am not
 mentioning names!). But I am just wondering what an acceptable amount of
 time is for getting such a repair done -- if it is 10 months

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[brentlynk]

 world, even dealing with artists, 
etc... (I am one, too!), I should be able to expect something more from my 
luthier about such an expensive repair (for minor cracks, but I understand 
having to pry up half the sound board...) more than when it's ready, you'll be 
the first to know.

Thanks again for all your help.  I now realize that I am just going to have to 
sit back, be patient and wait for the master. I respect my luthier, etc...

Thanks again for tolerating me and for all your help.  Again, you are wonderful 
people and I am glad to have joined this list.  So much great information and 
so 
many wonderful people...

God bless,
Brent






- Original Message 
From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
To: David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com
Cc: brentlynk brentl...@bellsouth.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 8:19:52 AM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

Hello Brent,

I think David's reply is on the mark.  My sense is that lute makers of any 
skill 
are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new instruments.  While 
feeling obligated to do repair work on instruments they've built, this work is 
secondary to the new work they've contracted for.  As frustrating as it is to 
be 
without an instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker 
about 
the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok.

A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for work; if you 
can 
possibly afford it get a second instrument.  There are many things that can 
happen to a lute to make it temporarily unplayable.  Having a backup seems 
prudent.

Best wishes,

Ned
On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote:

 Hi Brent,
 I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments.
 My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their
 time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year
 ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
 contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
 expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months.
 It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it
 was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
 done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
 fantastic PR person.
 
 In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was
 ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
 sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and
 paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with
 the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably
 as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
 fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints
 except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
 expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
 
 If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when
 it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not
 seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone
 under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates.
 This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
 when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
 of wood).
 
 So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done
 and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses
 it is not surprising to me.
 
 I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also
 continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update.
 
 I hope my experiences help some.
 
 Regards
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of brentlynk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?
 
 Hello,
 
 I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a
 couple decades... :-)
 
 I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need some
 advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I do (I
 play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical constraints,
 LOL...).
 
 I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15 years
 ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had some
 difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it in for
 repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the repairs...
 
 But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I want it
 back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the luthier
 simply
 responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished.
 
 Well

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[brentlynk]

   Thanks, Franz,
   LOL, no I won't die of hunger... :-)
   I have looked into renting a lute though!
   I am just trying to find out what amount of time is acceptable to wait
   for such a repair...
   I don't want to start trying to put undue pressure on my luthier if the
   average wait time for repairing two minor cracks (tragic accident --
   Bertha got bumped!!! :-) is 10 months.  If that were the case,
   whining about 5 months would make me terribly ashamed of myself...
   Warm regards,
   Brent
 __

   From: Franz Mechsner franz.mechs...@northumbria.ac.uk
   To: brentlynk brentl...@bellsouth.net
   Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 11:55:32 AM
   Subject: AW: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?
   Hi,

   There may be lutes available to rent, from lute societies (I know that
   for sure for the German lute society) and also sometimes from luthiers.
   Maybe it's worth checking out. Even if you might not be formally
   eligible (which might be the case with the German society, but I don't
   exactly know), people might well be willing to help you in that special
   case where a lutenist is going to die from hunger if he would not get a
   lute soon.

   Best regards
   Franz



   
   Dr. Franz Mechsner
   Reader (Associate Professor)
   Northumbria University, Dept. of Psychology
   Northumberland Building
   Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 8ST (UK)
   Tel:  +44(0) 191 227 7479
   Fax: +44(0) 191 227 3190



 __

   Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu im Auftrag von brentlynk
   Gesendet: Mi 22.06.2011 17:50
   An: Edward Mast; David Smith
   Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   Betreff: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

   Hello everyone who kindly responded to my request for help!  Indeed,
   you are all
   wonderful and I thank you from the bottom of my heart! I can say right
   now that
   I agree with ALL of you and can see where everyone is coming from!!! (I
   love the
   lute community! :-)
   To clarify:
   The luthier is definitely reputable and I totally understand (and have
   always
   understood...) the time constraints on people (including luthiers). I
   know this
   is not a shady character I am dealing with...no worries.
   The cracked rib and soundboard were totally minor issues -- barely able
   to
   photograph the cracks for insurance purposes because they were so
   minor.  The
   luthier informed me that it is not a big deal. The lute was totally
   playable
   and in no danger if the repairs hadn't ever been embarked upon (which
   is why I
   am second guessing whether or not it was a good idea to get them done
   in the
   first place, now! :-) I just didn't like knowing I had those two minor
   cracks
   which I knew would get longer and more severe over time...
   Yes, the soundboard/top will have to be partially removed to properly
   address
   the issues (thus, the $800 charge...).
   The luthier did NOT ask for, or require payment in advance -- I filed
   an
   insurance claim and made sure the luthier was paid asap because I
   figured the
   sooner the luthier was paid, the sooner I would get my lute back. The
   insurance
   company knew that I would need the lute for gigs as well, and they did
   not want
   to have to pay extra to cover lost revenue (which I am insured for...)
   so they
   stepped up to the plate, and I can honestly say, they did their job
   VERY well!
   I now realize (at this point) that paying (having payment made) in
   advance was
   probably a mistake, and I take full responsibility for it (no good deed
   goes
   unpunished, LOL :-). I was just more concerned about the insurance
   company
   paying than I was about the integrity of my luthier.
   I must also say that not all insurers are as evil as they are perceived
   to be,
   because they did pay up when the time came for them to (I had the
   policy for 15
   years as well, and never filed a claim before -- I can tell you that
   they have
   still made well over $1,000 off of me after paying my claim! :-).
   Indeed, I identify with the comment about the luthier just not wanting
   to have
   to give a firm delivery date...Probably too busy and such, and I
   totally
   understand.  But again, it has been 5 months and I was told that it
   would be
   ready soon a couple months ago.
   When I first sent the lute in for repairs, I didn't ask about if for
   over a
   month.  Then, I asked a month after that.  Then, I started asking every
   two
   weeks and have been continuing to ask every two weeks ever since. I
   have always
   been very nice (because I am! :-).
   The ONLY thing I regularly said to my luthier is as follows:
   ---
   ---
   Howdy, xyz,
   I hope all is well for you and yours...
   I am just checking up on my lute's status...
   Warm regards,
   Brent

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[Edward Mast]

 in the first place, and I 
 already missed the local renaissance festival, church gigs, restaurant gigs, 
 etc...but I couldn't ethically file a claim for lost revenue for the past 
 several months because I knew I couldn't commit if I didn't have my lute... 
 All 
 true -- honesty is the best policy -- I didn't commit to playing because I 
 didn't have my instrument/lute (no, nobody wanted me to play crumhorn as a 
 replacement, LOL... :-) 
 
 
 Yes, I have another job, so I am not a lutenist as my sole means of 
 support, 
 but I still do play for money and I do depend upon that revenue...
 
 Long story short -- sorry this is so long! 
 
 I was just thinking that in the business world, even dealing with artists, 
 etc... (I am one, too!), I should be able to expect something more from my 
 luthier about such an expensive repair (for minor cracks, but I understand 
 having to pry up half the sound board...) more than when it's ready, you'll 
 be 
 the first to know.
 
 Thanks again for all your help.  I now realize that I am just going to have 
 to 
 sit back, be patient and wait for the master. I respect my luthier, etc...
 
 Thanks again for tolerating me and for all your help.  Again, you are 
 wonderful 
 people and I am glad to have joined this list.  So much great information and 
 so 
 many wonderful people...
 
 God bless,
 Brent
 
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
 To: David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com
 Cc: brentlynk brentl...@bellsouth.net; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 8:19:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?
 
 Hello Brent,
 
 I think David's reply is on the mark.  My sense is that lute makers of any 
 skill 
 are generally very busy trying to fill orders for new instruments.  While 
 feeling obligated to do repair work on instruments they've built, this work 
 is 
 secondary to the new work they've contracted for.  As frustrating as it is to 
 be 
 without an instrument, I think nothing will be gained by pushing the maker 
 about 
 the repairs, though an occasional polite inquiry should be ok.
 
 A recommendation, though, since you rely on your instrument for work; if you 
 can 
 possibly afford it get a second instrument.  There are many things that can 
 happen to a lute to make it temporarily unplayable.  Having a backup seems 
 prudent.
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Ned
 On Jun 22, 2011, at 1:52 AM, David Smith wrote:
 
 Hi Brent,
 I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments.
 My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their
 time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year
 ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
 contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
 expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months.
 It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it
 was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
 done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
 fantastic PR person.
 
 In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was
 ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
 sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and
 paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with
 the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably
 as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
 fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints
 except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
 expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
 
 If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when
 it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not
 seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone
 under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates.
 This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
 when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
 of wood).
 
 So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done
 and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses
 it is not surprising to me.
 
 I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also
 continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update.
 
 I hope my experiences help some.
 
 Regards
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of brentlynk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?
 
 Hello,
 
 I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a
 couple decades... :-)
 
 I have a problem

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[Suzanne Angevine]

I did not pay for it until it
was finished.


To me, this is one of the keys to managing a person without adequate 
business skills.  If they already have the money, what is left for 
motivation?  A down payment for a new instrument order is reasonable, 
but it seems to me that the final payment should not be until the 
instrument is done and shipped.  This just seems like a normal business 
practice.  If the builder cannot afford to proceed on building the 
lute, or repairing a lute, without money for materials, then this speaks 
very poorly of his management of his business.



The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
fantastic PR person.


And of course, one of the problems here is that the poorer the business 
skills and organization, the more the communication skills are needed to 
cover it.  Better to run a good business with weak communication than to 
run a bad business, even with good communication.


I have no complaints
except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
...
This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
of wood).


The idea that an artist or craftsman is allowed to be poor at the 
business end of what he/she does is bunk.  For a major anniversary, my 
husband and I commissioned an internationally known fiber artist to make 
us a work of art.  He knew his process, he controlled his materials and 
their production and stocking, and he knew his production schedule. 
From our first contact with him he could tell us when it would likely 
be done.  And he was dead on.  Down payment at order, balance on 
delivery.  Solid business.  Because of what he was doing, he wasn't rich 
from his business, but he was making it ok.  I think that a broad array 
of skills, including sound business skills and decent communication 
skills, is what it actually takes to succeed as an artist or craftsman 
today.  To allow them to do less and get away with it and keep their 
reputation as a good luthier is just wrong in my mind.


My 2 cents.

Suzanne



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[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[brentlynk]

Thanks, Ned!

I am going with your advice...it is exactly what I needed...

La roque and roll on! :-)

Warm regards,
Brent



- Original Message 
From: Edward Mast nedma...@aol.com
To: brentlynk brentl...@bellsouth.net
Cc: David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 12:09:31 PM
Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

Hi Brent,

Sad to say, but at this point I think you've done all you can reasonably do.  
The luthier knows how much you need the instrument, so I remain of the opinion 
that contacting him too often won't have the desired effect.  Patience is 
required, though mine would be sorely tested in you situation!

I am encouraged to hear that your insurance company was so cooperative.  

I'm sure all here wish you good luck and that you will soon be reunited with 
your lute.

Warm regards,

Ned
On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:50 AM, brentlynk wrote:

 Hello everyone who kindly responded to my request for help!  Indeed, you are 
all 

 wonderful and I thank you from the bottom of my heart! I can say right now 
 that 

 I agree with ALL of you and can see where everyone is coming from!!! (I love 
the 

 lute community! :-)
 
 To clarify:
 
 The luthier is definitely reputable and I totally understand (and have always 
 understood...) the time constraints on people (including luthiers). I know 
 this 

 is not a shady character I am dealing with...no worries.
 
 The cracked rib and soundboard were totally minor issues -- barely able to 
 photograph the cracks for insurance purposes because they were so minor.  The 
 luthier informed me that it is not a big deal. The lute was totally 
 playable 

 and in no danger if the repairs hadn't ever been embarked upon (which is why 
 I 

 am second guessing whether or not it was a good idea to get them done in the 
 first place, now! :-) I just didn't like knowing I had those two minor cracks 
 which I knew would get longer and more severe over time...
 
 Yes, the soundboard/top will have to be partially removed to properly 
 address 

 the issues (thus, the $800 charge...).
 
 The luthier did NOT ask for, or require payment in advance -- I filed an 
 insurance claim and made sure the luthier was paid asap because I figured the 
 sooner the luthier was paid, the sooner I would get my lute back. The 
 insurance 

 company knew that I would need the lute for gigs as well, and they did not 
 want 

 to have to pay extra to cover lost revenue (which I am insured for...) so 
 they 

 stepped up to the plate, and I can honestly say, they did their job VERY 
 well!  

 
 
 I now realize (at this point) that paying (having payment made) in advance 
 was 

 probably a mistake, and I take full responsibility for it (no good deed goes 
 unpunished, LOL :-). I was just more concerned about the insurance company 
 paying than I was about the integrity of my luthier. 
 
 
 I must also say that not all insurers are as evil as they are perceived to 
 be, 

 because they did pay up when the time came for them to (I had the policy for 
 15 

 years as well, and never filed a claim before -- I can tell you that they 
 have 

 still made well over $1,000 off of me after paying my claim! :-). 
 
 
 Indeed, I identify with the comment about the luthier just not wanting to 
 have 

 to give a firm delivery date...Probably too busy and such, and I totally 
 understand.  But again, it has been 5 months and I was told that it would be 
 ready soon a couple months ago.
 
 When I first sent the lute in for repairs, I didn't ask about if for over a 
 month.  Then, I asked a month after that.  Then, I started asking every two 
 weeks and have been continuing to ask every two weeks ever since. I have 
 always 

 been very nice (because I am! :-).
 
 The ONLY thing I regularly said to my luthier is as follows:
 
 --
 Howdy, xyz,
 
 I hope all is well for you and yours...
 I am just checking up on my lute's status...
 
 Warm regards,
 Brent
 --
 
 Hey, I am human and I am flawed, LOL -- I just always try to do unto others 
 as 
I 

 would have them do unto me...I realize I might have been being a bit 
obsequious, 

 or, on the other hand, not putting on enough pressure -- I really was trying 
 to 

 maintain the middle ground.
 
 As far as having a backup lute, that is a GREAT idea, but I can't afford it. 
 I 

 have a huge bass lute and my student lute -- I can't play either in public 
 because the bass lute can't be used for the music I am usually asked to play 
and 

 the student lute is just NOT up to par for public performance.  I also have 
 a 

 hurdy-gurdy, some recorders and crumhorns (LOL, all insured...), but I am a 
 lutenist first and foremost, musically (just ask my cats -- they freak out 
 when 

 I play the gurdy and crumhorns, LOL!)...
 
 I last asked for an update about my lute (I affectionately

[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[brentlynk]

Thanks, Suzanne,

Duly noted! I appreciate your two cents and even though I fear some people 
might 
not like the discussion I brought up (although, I have had no sign of that yet, 
phew...), I do think that these kinds of things are important for people to 
know/realize...One day, most people on this list will probably have to get a 
lute repaired. ..

I just knew this was the right place to ask for guidance. :-)

What I learned:

1) Don't pay upfront (I am with you on that one -- my bad -- takes the 
motivation away!)
2) Be honest and upfront about your situation -- needs/expectations.
3) Don't bother your luthier too much (I haven't and won't thanks to advice 
received here...).
4) It is probably wise to get an estimated repair date on paper right at the 
beginning, especially if you made the mistake of paying up front.
5) If in doubt, reach out to the lute mailing list at Dartmouth before taking 
more actions! :-)

Warm regards,
Brent



- Original Message 
From: Suzanne Angevine suzanne.angev...@gmail.com
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 11:14:51 AM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?


 I did not pay for it until it
 was finished.

To me, this is one of the keys to managing a person without adequate business 
skills.  If they already have the money, what is left for motivation?  A down 
payment for a new instrument order is reasonable, but it seems to me that the 
final payment should not be until the instrument is done and shipped.  This 
just 
seems like a normal business practice.  If the builder cannot afford to 
proceed on building the lute, or repairing a lute, without money for materials, 
then this speaks very poorly of his management of his business.

 The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
 done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
 fantastic PR person.

And of course, one of the problems here is that the poorer the business skills 
and organization, the more the communication skills are needed to cover it.  
Better to run a good business with weak communication than to run a bad 
business, even with good communication.
 
 I have no complaints
 except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
 expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.
 ...
 This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
 when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
 of wood).

The idea that an artist or craftsman is allowed to be poor at the business end 
of what he/she does is bunk.  For a major anniversary, my husband and I 
commissioned an internationally known fiber artist to make us a work of art.  
He 
knew his process, he controlled his materials and their production and 
stocking, 
and he knew his production schedule. From our first contact with him he could 
tell us when it would likely be done.  And he was dead on.  Down payment at 
order, balance on delivery.  Solid business.  Because of what he was doing, he 
wasn't rich from his business, but he was making it ok.  I think that a broad 
array of skills, including sound business skills and decent communication 
skills, is what it actually takes to succeed as an artist or craftsman today.  
To allow them to do less and get away with it and keep their reputation as a 
good luthier is just wrong in my mind.

My 2 cents.

Suzanne



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[LUTE] Re: Lute Repair?

[David Smith]

Hi Brent,
I have a little experience in both getting repairs and ordering instruments.
My experience is that luthiers must juggle many different demands on their
time and repairs are prioritized amongst all their other demands. One year
ago I had a bridge on a couple of year old 10 course lute come off. I
contacted the luthier and fedex'd the lute to him overnight with the
expectation that the repair could be done quickly. It took around 3 months.
It was done beautifully and I love the result. I did not pay for it until it
was finished. The communication of expectations on the other hand was not
done cleanly. The luthier is a master builder but not necessarily a
fantastic PR person.

In the same vain I have an 8 course lute (from a different luthier) that was
ordered last October with the expectation that it would be available
sometime around January. In March I was informed that it was almost done and
paid the remaining amount. I am still waiting. I have discussed this with
the luthier and there are many reasons why time does not flow as predictably
as I would like. This is an internationally recognized luthier with a
fantastic reputation for quality and reliability. I have no complaints
except that I expect production line timing from a craftsman - the
expectations do not match and I get to reset my expectations.

If your luthier is reputable (which I assume he is) then it will happen when
it happens. I would love it if communication could be clearer but I have not
seen that. The response you received from the luthier sounds like someone
under lots of demands and unable or unwilling to provide time estimates.
This is one of the joys of owning a work of art (and there are really many
when you consider the living instrument in yours hands created from blocks
of wood).

So, while I agree that it is getting near time for your repair to be done
and you are justified in your desire to have more precision in the responses
it is not surprising to me.

I would approach the luthier with understanding of his constraints but also
continue, on a regular but not bothersome period, to ask for an update.

I hope my experiences help some.

Regards
David

-Original Message-
From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
Of brentlynk
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 5:15 PM
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Subject: [LUTE] Lute Repair?

Hello,

I am new to this list, but I have been playing the 10-course lute for a
couple decades... :-)

I have a problem and I am not sure how to handle it -- I really need some
advice and guidance from people who know the lute-world better than I do (I
play, but am pretty much solo secondary to geographical constraints,
LOL...).

I sent my lute off to a reputable luthier (who built it about 15 years
ago...) for repairing a cracked soundboard and rib, and I have had some
difficulty getting it back. It has been five months since I sent it in for
repairs, and the luthier was paid in advance (over $800) for the repairs...

But when I last asked about getting it back because, like anybody, I want it
back, and on top of that, I am missing gigs and losing money, the luthier
simply
responded: you'll be the first to know when it is finished.

Well, that response kind of bothered me because I have been so patient and
the luthier told me that it would be ready soon a couple months ago...

I realize that everyone is busy, etc...and I want to be a nice guy -- I
certainly don't want to burn any bridges, etc...(which is why I am not
mentioning names!). But I am just wondering what an acceptable amount of
time is for getting such a repair done -- if it is 10 months and I am
complaining about it at the 5 month mark, I will be TOTALLY ashamed of
myself

Please, anybody who has had experience with such a situation, I need
guidance!

Warm regards,
Brent



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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[Charles Browne]

re your back problem - it might be helpful to find someone with experience in 
treating back problems as you start playing again e.g. a chiropracter or , even 
better, a lutenist with qualifications in Alexander Technique

best wishes

Charles 






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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[jslute]

   Dear Mark,

Definitely get a strap, which will allow you to sit up straight and
   not hunch over to secure the lute.

I also use a vinyl-covered foam pad under the lute to help stabilize
   the instrument--a classical guitar pad adapted to fit the end of the
   lute. I don't know of anybody also who does this, but it works for me.

   Jim Stimson

   Nov 19, 2010 12:09:30 PM, ce2n...@gmail.com wrote:

 1. My larson 10 course is in need of repair. Any suggestions in the
 north east?
 2. I not played it in 4 years because holding it causes me back pain
 after 15 minutes. Any solution such as a strap or holder? I wrote
 daniel larson about this but no reply.
 Mark M
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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[howard posner]

On Nov 19, 2010, at 10:28 AM, jsl...@verizon.net wrote:

 Definitely get a strap, which will allow you to sit up straight

Or stand up straight and walk around.

 I not played it in 4 years because holding it causes me back pain
   after 15 minutes.  Any solution such as a strap or holder?  I wrote
   daniel larson about this but no reply.

I'm not surprised.  He's (as Dr. McCoy would say) a lute builder, not a doctor, 
and (as Cassius would say) the fault, dear Brutus, is not in your lute but in 
your posture.  Try hanging the lute from a strap and look in the mirror as you 
play.  Are your shoulders hunched up?  Your back straight?  Are you stiff?  Do 
you breathe?



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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[Mathias Rösel]

Strap, absolutely. You can sit upright, have your pelvis balanced and your
air column straight. No more pain in your back, promised.

Mathias 

   2. I not played it in 4 years because holding it causes me back pain
   after 15 minutes.  Any solution such as a strap or holder?  I wrote
   daniel larson about this but no reply.

   Mark M
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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[Sean Smith]

I had the same problem for years. My problem was primarly how I held  
it. It was a 55 cm 8c with a somewhat shallow back that was simply too  
small. I had to hunch to hold it. I still pick it up now and then but  
within a couple of hours it lets me know. Oddly enough, my next was  
a 55 cm 6c with a much rounder (semicircle) body. Much easier tho I  
still wasn't out if the woods. Next came the 60 cm: more improvement  
and the final step 5 years ago was the strap.


The strap, I found, was extremely liberating. Immediately I could sit  
or stand without my spine hunching or twisting. Both feet feel  
perfectly natural on the floor which does wonders for breathing, focus  
and stamina.


There is a caveat. I play thumb under and no 10c lutes.

A lot of people have had to slay this dragon and many are the roads to  
Rome. Though it may take a months let us know how you get on.


Good luck,
Sean

On Nov 19, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mark Mattioli ce2n...@gmail.com wrote:


  1. My larson 10 course is in need of repair.  Any suggestions in the
  north east?

  2. I not played it in 4 years because holding it causes me back pain
  after 15 minutes.  Any solution such as a strap or holder? I wrote
  daniel larson about this but no reply.

  Mark M
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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[Suzanne Angevine]

Sean here is talking about lutes that were too small for him to be 
comfortable.  But it really depends on what your problem is.  My first 
lute was big enough that it was difficult for me to get my arms around. 
 I eventually switched to a 10 C alto with a shallow back (also a Dan 
Larson) and this was much easier for me.  When I have gone back to play 
the other lute, I notice in 10 minutes that my arm and back hurt.  So in 
my case one of the problems was reaching the right arm around the lute, 
causing some sort of hunching.  I play(ed) both these lutes with a 
strap, fairly high up on the chest in thumb under position.


Suzanne

On 11/19/2010 12:06 PM, Sean Smith wrote:

I had the same problem for years. My problem was primarly how I held it.
It was a 55 cm 8c with a somewhat shallow back that was simply too
small. I had to hunch to hold it. I still pick it up now and then but
within a couple of hours it lets me know. Oddly enough, my next was a
55 cm 6c with a much rounder (semicircle) body. Much easier tho I still
wasn't out if the woods. Next came the 60 cm: more improvement and the
final step 5 years ago was the strap.

The strap, I found, was extremely liberating. Immediately I could sit or
stand without my spine hunching or twisting. Both feet feel perfectly
natural on the floor which does wonders for breathing, focus and stamina.

There is a caveat. I play thumb under and no 10c lutes.

A lot of people have had to slay this dragon and many are the roads to
Rome. Though it may take a months let us know how you get on.

Good luck,
Sean

On Nov 19, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Mark Mattioli ce2n...@gmail.com wrote:


1. My larson 10 course is in need of repair. Any suggestions in the
north east?

2. I not played it in 4 years because holding it causes me back pain
after 15 minutes. Any solution such as a strap or holder? I wrote
daniel larson about this but no reply.

Mark M
--


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[LUTE] Re: Lute repair and question

[G. Crona]

With a good and personally adapted strap, you should pretty much be able to 
avoid the lute's or guitar's holding problem wheather you use the old 
buttons - string or modern X-strap or whatever in-between. Some sit on it, 
some pimp them, but whatever solution, there seem to be many, as lute 
mail-search suggests. Personally, I've always had great trouble with the 
lute's pear form, and prefer the guitar's edgy adaptability. Ergonomics is 
important, and Alexander solution looks good. Never tried standing play, but 
like the idea a lot. Would require modern x-strap. Remember quoting brand, 
but can't now find company name.


Best

G.



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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[demery]

Laura, glad to know it is possible for you to get the lute back to its
maker.

Something to consider for the future.  Central heating makes the house
dry, it stresses humans, pets, furniture, and musical instruments.  Some
form of humidification should be considered.  I use a small unit that
'nukes' a liter of water into vapor every 24 hours.  My house is small,
only 800 sq ft on the ground floor; it has a lot of wood inside (besides
the frame), and this stores up some moisture, helping to prevent large
swings in RH (Arctic air is pretty dry when he Jet stream brings it to
long island - welcome in the summer, dreaded in the winter).

Yes, one can sometimes leave the top attached near the neck and effect
repairs to bars etc, I did that with my own lute to fix a rib come free
from the side; its harder to inspect the bar joints this way.  They dont
always buzz when they need attention. Im sure there is some technology we
could borrow from the guys who check out large petrolium storage tanks,
but that is hardly something the average luthier has available, unless
they work/study at a university... Tap testing isnt a definitive
diagnosis; its all one wants to do when the top is firmly on, but if you
have reason to suspect crystilization is occuring its a good excuse to
remove the top to have a thorough look.

BTW, something I forgot to mention - with the bridge off and the strings
all loose, the pegs are at risk of falling out and getting confused.  Bits
of masking tape will allow you to number them, keep em in a jip-lock bag
and they wont go astray (individualy that is).  As you remove the strings,
wind each into a loose coil and place it in a baggie or an envelope,
separating the string(s) of each course with a piece of paper.  Its
usually possible to tell the unisons of courses 1-3 apart, but mix it all
up witht he octaves from the bass courses and its a puzzle needing
precision measuring tools to sort out.
-- 
Dana Emery




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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[Martyn Hodgson]

divnbsp;/div  divnbsp;/div  divIt is not usually necessary to 
remove the belly unless internal bars have also become loose (check by tapping 
and listening for buzzes)./div  divnbsp;/div  divAssuming the bridge 
was glued using hot animal/fish glue, simply clean the joint up and reglue 
using a good quality animal fish glue using hand pressure alone - the amount of 
pressure needs to be carefully judged - too much and the top may be distorted; 
too little and the glue band may be too thick. Rub the joint into position and 
hold down for about 3/4 mins. Clean off excess glue and leave overnight./div  
divnbsp;/div  divI'm not suggesting you do this yourself but any 
competant maker/repairer will or should be able to follow this procedure./div 
 divnbsp;/div  divMH/div  divnbsp;/div  divBRBRBILaura 
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7bitBRBRHi!BRBRI've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all 
until yesterdayBRnight when it decided to mute itself...BRThe bridge 
cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No previous signBRof being 
unglued, anything. BRThe bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't 
even splitted. BRThe luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll 
need to evaluateBRother person to fix it. BRCould anyone tell me which is 
the best approach for fixing this type ofBRproblem, so I can talk to the 
repairmen with a minimum knowledge?BRIs it necessary to separate the top? or 
just re-glueing the bridge is ok? BRthanks, 
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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[Louis Aull]

Laura et al.
 
Most lutes can be opened around the bottom edge below the bridge, this
allows access to both the bottom of the bridge and the larger braces, if
required.
 
Lou Aull

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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[Ray Brohinsky]

It is really important to know that mixing adhesives can be fatal to
the quality of a joint.

For instance, using aliphatic glue to repair a hide/fish glue joint
that hasn't been completely cleaned of all original glue results in a
mixture between the two glues which is far far less strong than either
separately. (again, painful personal experience, with a 'cello neck.
Why is it always the things that hurt me?)

Anyway, cleaning crystalized hide glue isn't that hard to do, but
being sure you got it all really does make it worth the trouble to get
it into the hands of an experienced maker.

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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[Gernot Hilger]

Hola Laura,

you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the  
top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen.

And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical  
joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it.

Good luck
g


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 Hi!

 I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until  
 yesterday
 night when it decided to mute itself...
 The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No  
 previous sign
 of being unglued, anything.
 The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
 The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to  
 evaluate
 other person to fix it.
 Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this  
 type of
 problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
 Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge  
 is ok?
 thanks,
 Laura

 snif


 Laura Maschi




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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[vance wood]

Hi Laura:

You need to talk to someone who is intimately familiar with Lutes, having 
made them.  Re-gluing the bridge on a Lute is a bigger issue than that on a 
Guitar.  The sound board should be removed which opens up a very large can 
of worms you don't want Joe Lukamabutcrok The plumber futzing with.  You 
should call your original maker and ask him/her for a recommendation.
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 Hi!

 I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until yesterday
 night when it decided to mute itself...
 The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No previous 
 sign
 of being unglued, anything.
 The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
 The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to evaluate
 other person to fix it.
 Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this type of
 problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
 Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge is ok?
 thanks,
 Laura

 snif


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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question (fwd)

[Wayne Cripps]

When the bridge came off my lute I took it to a well respected lute
repairman, and he did not have to take the top off!  He used a
yellow glue instead of hide glue.  He said it was stronger.

Wayne


 From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question
 
 you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the  
 top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen.
 
 And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical  
 joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it.
 
 g
 
 
 On 08.07.2007, at 17:59, Laura wrote:
 
 
  Hi!
 
  I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until  
  yesterday
  night when it decided to mute itself...
  The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No  
  previous sign
  of being unglued, anything.
  The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
  The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to  
  evaluate
  other person to fix it.
  Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this  
  type of
  problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
  Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge  
  is ok?
  thanks,
  Laura
 
  snif
 
 
  Laura Maschi
 
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[Alexander Batov]

In majority of cases (!) there is absolutely no need to remove soundboard in 
order to re-glue the bridge;  in this situation in particularly where the 
bridge separation is clean.  Most experienced lute makers would know how to 
do this and the whole procedure takes no more than 5 minutes ... The use of 
natural (hide, best of all fish) glue is essential.
---
AB

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From: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question


 Hi Laura:

 You need to talk to someone who is intimately familiar with Lutes, having
 made them.  Re-gluing the bridge on a Lute is a bigger issue than that on 
 a
 Guitar.  The sound board should be removed which opens up a very large can
 of worms you don't want Joe Lukamabutcrok The plumber futzing with.  You
 should call your original maker and ask him/her for a recommendation. 



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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[David Tayler]

It is indeed possible to reset the bridge without removing the soundboard. You
MUST remove the old glue!!! And it is still a tricky fix.
Fish glue or slow setting Crazy glue, you can apply some clamping 
pressure by seating the lute in the case.
Don't use a rubbery glue; it may dampen the sound.
Do not try this at home! Luthier required, always try the maker first.



At 01:42 PM 7/8/2007, you wrote:
In majority of cases (!) there is absolutely no need to remove soundboard in
order to re-glue the bridge;  in this situation in particularly where the
bridge separation is clean.  Most experienced lute makers would know how to
do this and the whole procedure takes no more than 5 minutes ... The use of
natural (hide, best of all fish) glue is essential.
---
AB

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From: vance wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lute List lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 6:19 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question


  Hi Laura:
 
  You need to talk to someone who is intimately familiar with Lutes, having
  made them.  Re-gluing the bridge on a Lute is a bigger issue than that on
  a
  Guitar.  The sound board should be removed which opens up a very large can
  of worms you don't want Joe Lukamabutcrok The plumber futzing with.  You
  should call your original maker and ask him/her for a recommendation.



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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question

[demery]

On Sun, Jul 8, 2007, Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No previous sign
 of being unglued, anything. 

the glue joint of bridge to top is critical, even the maker fusses to make
sure it is as strong as possible, repairing one that has failed is a job
for someone with experience.

You dont say where you are in the world, your email address suggests
argentina?

Shipping a lute is also risky, you should investigate if there are any
craftsmen with suitable experience, a guitarmaker or a violin maker might
do for you, many of them have lute bilding experience from the time they
learned their trade.  At least the man must be famiilar with the use of
hide glue, both to deal with removing and reasembling the top and to deal
with the bridge.

The cleanness of the failure suggests that if hide glue was used for the
bridge to top joint (as was done historically, modern luthiers sometimes
use other glues such as epoxy).  Hide glue joints under the kind of
stresses here can crystalize and fail; the careful owner keeps the
instrument in a semi-controlled atmosphere, but that is not always
feasible, one does want to play the wee beastie from time to time. 
Luckily, hide glue will bond completely with itself for repairs.  It is
possible that one or more of the reinforcing bars glued under the top have
also developed faults in their joints.  Having the top off of the body
gives the repairman an opportunity to deal with that as well; this is
important, integrity of those glue joints keeps the top stresses under
control, if any part of the joint fails the top is at significant risk of
being split (like old piano soundboards).

 The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to evaluate
 other person to fix it. 

Ask your maker if he can recomend anyone near you; also ask what glue was
used originally.

 Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this type of
 problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?

The top is not exactly a flat surface, the underside is carfully carved so
that some zones are thinner than others.  Special clamps and fixtures, or
a go-bar setup are used during the glueup.  Guitars and other instruments
have similar technical requirements, any experienced luthier should be
familiar with this and wil have his own approach.  Obviously, repair of
another makers instrument is harder than fabrication of ones own, perhaps
requiring new jigs to be made.

 Is it necessary to separate the top? 

Yes.  The rose on a guitar is large enough to pass a special clamp into
the body, this makes it special, most other stringed instruments
(including the lute) must have the top removed for repairs like this one.

-- 
Dana Emery




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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question (fwd)

[vance wood]

Hi Wayne:

This is a possibility, probably Tite Bond.  However there are so many in the 
Lute community that might send you to the pillories for such a suggestion, 
it's blasphemy.  That's why I did not suggest it.  If pragmatism is the 
order of the day, not to mention price and time, the yellow glue solution is 
a good one provided who ever does the job is competent.

- Original Message - 
From: Wayne Cripps [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 4:40 PM
Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question (fwd)



 When the bridge came off my lute I took it to a well respected lute
 repairman, and he did not have to take the top off!  He used a
 yellow glue instead of hide glue.  He said it was stronger.

 Wayne


 From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question

 you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the
 top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen.

 And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical
 joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it.

 g


 On 08.07.2007, at 17:59, Laura wrote:

 
  Hi!
 
  I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until
  yesterday
  night when it decided to mute itself...
  The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No
  previous sign
  of being unglued, anything.
  The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
  The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to
  evaluate
  other person to fix it.
  Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this
  type of
  problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
  Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge
  is ok?
  thanks,
  Laura
 
  snif
 
 
  Laura Maschi
 



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[LUTE] Re: lute repair question (fwd)

[Michael]

First, I am not a professional luthier, so this is just the observation of
an engineer and amateur woodwoorker:

There are extremely handy vacuum clamps that can be used to glue a bridge
down without removing the top.  They are used in some guitar repairs where
the intricacies of the bracing and/or the geometry of the soundhole make a
conventional clamp unusable.  They consist of a frame that fits over the
bridge with about an inch clearance in every direction (except upwards); a
layer of neoprene is then stretched over this frame.  A vacuum pump removes
the air from within the frame, pulling the neoprene tightly down to the
soundboard - and pulling anything else in the way, like a glued-up bridge,
with it.

Of course, these are a fairly recent invention compared to lutes, and people
have been removing the lute belly to fix the bridge for hundreds of years,
so YMMV.  Take your lute to a professional and see what they advise.

  - Michael



On 7/8/07, Wayne Cripps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 When the bridge came off my lute I took it to a well respected lute
 repairman, and he did not have to take the top off!  He used a
 yellow glue instead of hide glue.  He said it was stronger.

 Wayne


  From: Gernot Hilger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: [LUTE] Re: lute repair question
 
  you'll need to take the lute to a luthier. To reglue the bridge, the
  top must be taken off. This is beyond ordinary workmen.
 
  And, as you will probably be aware off, this is quite a critical
  joint and you don't want somebody to botch with it.
 
  g
 
 
  On 08.07.2007, at 17:59, Laura wrote:
 
  
   Hi!
  
   I've had my ren lute for 7 years, had no problems at all until
   yesterday
   night when it decided to mute itself...
   The bridge cleanly separated from the body, spontaneously. No
   previous sign
   of being unglued, anything.
   The bridge separated from the body cleanly, and didn't even splitted.
   The luthier who made it is far from where I live, so I'll need to
   evaluate
   other person to fix it.
   Could anyone tell me which is the best approach for fixing this
   type of
   problem,  so I can talk to the repairmen with a minimum knowledge?
   Is it necessary to separate the top? or just re-glueing the bridge
   is ok?
   thanks,
   Laura
  
   snif
  
  
   Laura Maschi
  
 
 
 
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