[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
Dear Stuart, Good to hear you're trying the mandora/gallichon. Most of the music is pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good and there are a few other decent sources of solo music I'd suggest you look at, including: Kloster Metton Ms (91b), which contains more extended works, and Dresden Mus 2701-V-1. Probably the best Mandora/G repertoire is, however, the ensemble music: in particular works by Joseph Zincke (or Zinck) mostly found in the very extensive Eichstat collections are especioally attractive. I included a Serenatta (Sonata) by him for Flauto, Violino, Violoncello (o Fagotto!) and mandora) in a recent concert and it went down very well. The style is not a million miles from the best of that unjustly neglected (and early) proponent of the new six string guitar Von (De) Call regards Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 0:16 I have loaned the UK Lute Society's mandora (or gallichon,caldechon etc. These other names are much more interesting!). It has a strange sound, quite different from a typical G Renaissance lute or a D minor Baroque lute. Here are a couple of pieces from the Recueil de pieces (18th century) published today by Editions Culture et Civilisation, Bruxelles1979. These pieces are really quite straightforward (until you press the little red 'record' button when ten more wholly uncontrollable fingers sprout into existence) Sicilliana [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 Capriccio [2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ The tuning here is like guitar tuning. So it's a possibility to play modern-ishguitar music - but on a Baroque instrument. The modern guitar has six single strings and tends to avoid open strings and first position. The mandora/gallichon (perhaps a robust and extravert instrument) has double courses (except for the first) and octaves on the two basses. What might modern-ish guitar music sound like played on it? Here's something very 'straight', a Shanty by Martin Butler: [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgopnHyYg4o and something a bit more abstract: A Miniature by Michael Stimpson [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbG5dQqNAMU Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgopnHyYg4o 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbG5dQqNAMU 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good You meant Schiffelholz, of course (and the quality is a matter of dispute...). RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
Ha! ha! Roman. I recall from some years ago that you're not keen on B - don't quite know why tho'. Whilst not being a towering genius his solo works generally seem a cut above the vast bulk of M/G repertoire. But re S: his music seems so typical of many M/G works - very pedestrian. Indeed almost as much as the myriad of (amateur?) pieces found in numerous M/G sources - but I guess you don't agree. Best wishes to you Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:32 From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good You meant Schiffelholz, of course (and the quality is a matter of dispute...). RT -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
I think by now it should be clear that Brescianello (a 1st-rate composer) wrote no M/G music, and his name graces the Schiffelholz papers for all the wrong reasons. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) Ha! ha! Roman. I recall from some years ago that you're not keen on B - don't quite know why tho'. Whilst not being a towering genius his solo works generally seem a cut above the vast bulk of M/G repertoire. But re S: his music seems so typical of many M/G works - very pedestrian. Indeed almost as much as the myriad of (amateur?) pieces found in numerous M/G sources - but I guess you don't agree. Best wishes to you Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:32 From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good You meant Schiffelholz, of course (and the quality is a matter of dispute...). RT -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
On 03/10/2011 09:20, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Stuart, Good to hear you're trying the mandora/gallichon. Most of the music is pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good and there are a few other decent sources of solo music I'd suggest you look at, including : Kloster Metton Ms (91b), which contains more extended works, and Dresden Mus 2701-V-1. Martyn Are these available? Probably the best Mandora/G repertoire is, however, the ensemble music: in particular works by Joseph Zincke (or Zinck) mostly found in the very extensive Eichstat collections are especioally attractive. I included a Serenatta (Sonata) by him for Flauto, Violino, Violoncello (o Fagotto!) and mandora) in a recent concert and it went down very well. The style is not a million miles from the best of that unjustly neglected (and early) proponent of the new six string guitar Von (De) Call Is this similar sort of territory as the Hoffman and Giuliani (not the 19th C guitarist!) chamber pieces with mandolino? (And what 's the 'Liuto' in the Giuliani quartets?) Stuart regards Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 0:16 I have loaned the UK Lute Society's mandora (or gallichon,caldechon etc. These other names are much more interesting!). It has a strange sound, quite different from a typical G Renaissance lute or a D minor Baroque lute. Here are a couple of pieces from the Recueil de pieces (18th century) published today by Editions Culture et Civilisation, Bruxelles1979. These pieces are really quite straightforward (until you press the little red 'record' button when ten more wholly uncontrollable fingers sprout into existence) Sicilliana [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 Capriccio [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ The tuning here is like guitar tuning. So it's a possibility to play modern-ishguitar music - but on a Baroque instrument. The modern guitar has six single strings and tends to avoid open strings and first position. The mandora/gallichon (perhaps a robust and extravert instrument) has double courses (except for the first) and octaves on the two basses. What might modern-ish guitar music sound like played on it? Here's something very 'straight', a Shanty by Martin Butler: [6]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgopnHyYg4o and something a bit more abstract: A Miniature by Michael Stimpson [7]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbG5dQqNAMU Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 2. mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com 3. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgopnHyYg4o 7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbG5dQqNAMU 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/%7Ewbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
Dear Stuart, Facsimile copies of these MS are not, I think, currently commercially available. I'll see what I can do. The Zincke et al is not at all the same territory as the Hoffmann and F G Giuliani works. The liuto parts in these seem much more like a BC line (no chords /arpeggios etc - similar to Dalla Casa's writing) than the obligatto (6 string guitar-like) parts for the M/G. The instrument for the Hoffmann and Giuliani has been discussed previously (2007 - see archives) without a clear conclusion emerging - my own view is that the old tuned liuto was indeed expected (either tuned in nominal G or A or G) and you'll be aware of extant 18th C Italian made instruments with only 7/8/9 courses. NB the modern Hladky editions from 1962 seem corrupt - Jim Tyler kindly drew my attention to this in 2007 - relevant extract below from a personal email. Jim was right - I had indeed thought the edition was reliable: it even gives a potted history and reported tuning of Hladky's supposed 'liuto' in the part! rgds Martyn James Tyler ty...@usc.edu wrote: Regarding the Giuliani quartets, you should be aware that the actual liuto parts do not go down to low C. I think you are assuming that they do because of Hladky's editions. However, this is the editor's fabrication to fit his theory and musical needs as the director of a plectrum mandolin orchestra in Vienna. The actual manuscript part book for all six quartets has a range of E below the bass clef and d above the transposing treble clef. The five course 'liuto moderno' that Hladky chose to use is a late 19th c. development of the modern Neapolitan mandolin family and is not related to any earlier instrument, despite the use of the generic term, 'liuto.' Hladky has rewritten the parts (see, for example the extensive changes he made to number 4 in F) to please himself! Best, James P.S.: Hladky has often rewritten the mandolin parts in his editions as well, in order for them to be performed on the metal-strung, plectrum-played Neapolitan instrument --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 11:29 On 03/10/2011 09:20, Martyn Hodgson wrote: Dear Stuart, Good to hear you're trying the mandora/gallichon. Most of the music is pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good and there are a few other decent sources of solo music I'd suggest you look at, including : Kloster Metton Ms (91b), which contains more extended works, and Dresden Mus 2701-V-1. Martyn Are these available? Probably the best Mandora/G repertoire is, however, the ensemble music: in particular works by Joseph Zincke (or Zinck) mostly found in the very extensive Eichstat collections are especioally attractive. I included a Serenatta (Sonata) by him for Flauto, Violino, Violoncello (o Fagotto!) and mandora) in a recent concert and it went down very well. The style is not a million miles from the best of that unjustly neglected (and early) proponent of the new six string guitar Von (De) Call Is this similar sort of territory as the Hoffman and Giuliani (not the 19th C guitarist!) chamber pieces with mandolino? (And what 's the 'Liuto' in the Giuliani quartets?) Stuart regards Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Subject: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net [3]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 0:16 I have loaned the UK Lute Society's mandora (or gallichon,caldechon etc. These other names are much more interesting!). It has a strange sound, quite different from a typical G Renaissance lute or a D minor Baroque lute. Here are a couple of pieces from the Recueil de pieces (18th century) published today by Editions Culture et Civilisation, Bruxelles1979. These pieces are really quite straightforward (until you press the little red 'record' button when ten more wholly uncontrollable fingers sprout into existence) Sicilliana [4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 Capriccio [5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ The tuning here is like guitar tuning. So it's a possibility to play modern-ishguitar music - but on a Baroque instrument. The modern guitar has six single strings and tends to avoid open strings and first position. The mandora/gallichon (perhaps a robust and extravert instrument) has double courses (except for the first) and octaves on the two basses. What might
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
Dear Roman, Have I missed something? What precisely is the evidence that Brescianello (named on the first page) did not write the works in the Dresden MS? Moreover, the style of these is quite different to the extant works under Schiffelholz's name. rgds Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:56 I think by now it should be clear that Brescianello (a 1st-rate composer) wrote no M/G music, and his name graces the Schiffelholz papers for all the wrong reasons. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Net [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh [3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Roman Turovsky [4]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) Ha! ha! Roman. I recall from some years ago that you're not keen on B - don't quite know why tho'. Whilst not being a towering genius his solo works generally seem a cut above the vast bulk of M/G repertoire. But re S: his music seems so typical of many M/G works - very pedestrian. Indeed almost as much as the myriad of (amateur?) pieces found in numerous M/G sources - but I guess you don't agree. Best wishes to you Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky [5]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky [6]r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh [8]s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson [9]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:32 From: Martyn Hodgson [1][10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good You meant Schiffelholz, of course (and the quality is a matter of dispute...). RT -- References 1. [11]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co .uk To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 5. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=s.wa...@ntlworld.com 9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 10. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 11. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
I defer all positivist questions to Arthur. On a metaphysical level - I had a chance to lool at real Brescianello's compositions, and they are grand and lofty, he couldn't have possibly authored that pap. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 7:07 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) Dear Roman, Have I missed something? What precisely is the evidence that Brescianello (named on the first page) did not write the works in the Dresden MS? Moreover, the style of these is quite different to the extant works under Schiffelholz's name. rgds Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:56 I think by now it should be clear that Brescianello (a 1st-rate composer) wrote no M/G music, and his name graces the Schiffelholz papers for all the wrong reasons. RT - Original Message - From: Martyn Hodgson [1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Lute Net [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Stuart Walsh [3]s.wa...@ntlworld.com; Roman Turovsky [4]r.turov...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) Ha! ha! Roman. I recall from some years ago that you're not keen on B - don't quite know why tho'. Whilst not being a towering genius his solo works generally seem a cut above the vast bulk of M/G repertoire. But re S: his music seems so typical of many M/G works - very pedestrian. Indeed almost as much as the myriad of (amateur?) pieces found in numerous M/G sources - but I guess you don't agree. Best wishes to you Martyn --- On Mon, 3/10/11, Roman Turovsky [5]r.turov...@gmail.com wrote: From: Roman Turovsky [6]r.turov...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) To: Lute Net [7]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu, Stuart Walsh [8]s.wa...@ntlworld.com, Martyn Hodgson [9]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk Date: Monday, 3 October, 2011, 10:32 From: Martyn Hodgson [1][10]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk pretty undemanding and also, alas, much is of poor quality. However the Brescianello is, of course, good You meant Schiffelholz, of course (and the quality is a matter of dispute...). RT -- References 1. [11]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co .uk To get on or off this list see list information at [12]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 2. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 3. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=s.wa...@ntlworld.com 4. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 5. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 6. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@gmail.com 7. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 8. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=s.wa...@ntlworld.com 9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 10. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 11. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk 12. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music (and something modern)
Hey, I helped build that instrumentgood to hear it! --Sterling From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Lute Net lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music (and something modern) I have loaned the UK Lute Society's mandora (or gallichon,caldechon etc. These other names are much more interesting!). It has a strange sound, quite different from a typical G Renaissance lute or a D minor Baroque lute. Here are a couple of pieces from the Recueil de pieces (18th century) published today by Editions Culture et Civilisation, Bruxelles1979. These pieces are really quite straightforward (until you press the little red 'record' button when ten more wholly uncontrollable fingers sprout into existence) Sicilliana http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsye2LHEll4 Capriccio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odR_S4ZgVUQ The tuning here is like guitar tuning. So it's a possibility to play modern-ishguitar music - but on a Baroque instrument. The modern guitar has six single strings and tends to avoid open strings and first position. The mandora/gallichon (perhaps a robust and extravert instrument) has double courses (except for the first) and octaves on the two basses. What might modern-ish guitar music sound like played on it? Here's something very 'straight', a Shanty by Martin Butler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgopnHyYg4o and something a bit more abstract: A Miniature by Michael Stimpson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbG5dQqNAMU Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Hi all, The link is beside Kapsbereger section; 'en cas de problèmes de lectures des fichiers installez ces fontes' Timo -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Gernot Hilger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: 24. tammikuuta 2008 0:00 Vastaanottaja: Lute Net Aihe: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music I found the source and it is not illegal, I downloaded it from http://www.xs4all.nl/~paulduif/luth-librairie/ , but I cannot find the link. Drop me an email if you wish a copy. g On 23.01.2008, at 22:53, Gernot Hilger wrote: It is a font problem. Spotlight found a zip file for me somewhere on my hard drive, Django-fontes.zip which contains two fonts. I doubleclicked and installed these in Leopard and the Brescianello works just fine. I do not believe that I obtained these illegally, therefore I am prepared to share. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
One can download the Django font from the 'luth librarie' -site. Timo -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2008 0:40 Vastaanottaja: Roman Turovsky; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Aihe: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music Roman Turovsky wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There are other things than Adobe's Acrobat? I'll give them a go. Can you suggest one? There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Ghostview for PC, Preview for Mac. RT - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] mandora/gallichon music Roman Turovsky wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There are other things than Adobe's Acrobat? I'll give them a go. Can you suggest one? There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Peedu Timo wrote: One can download the Django font from the 'luth librarie' -site. Timo Thanks to all and especially to GDR (formerly, Doc) who actually sent a copy of the pdf - all 75 pages. And thanks to Richard Civiol who produced it in 2003. I'm probably too late to thank Brescianello for writing it. -Alkuperäinen viesti- Lähettäjä: Stuart Walsh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lähetetty: 23. tammikuuta 2008 0:40 Vastaanottaja: Roman Turovsky; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Aihe: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music Roman Turovsky wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There are other things than Adobe's Acrobat? I'll give them a go. Can you suggest one? There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
On Jan 23, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm probably too late to thank Brescianello for writing it. Don't worry, Stuart, lots of people think he probably didn't write it anyway... To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Gregory Doc Rossi wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm probably too late to thank Brescianello for writing it. Don't worry, Stuart, lots of people think he probably didn't write it anyway... Good grief! I barely know who he is, let alone that it was probably someone else anyway. What's the story? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Brescianello was a serious composer of orchestral music. It is hard to belive he could have been the author of those pieces. RT - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gregory Doc Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Peedu Timo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 12:02 PM Subject: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music Gregory Doc Rossi wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm probably too late to thank Brescianello for writing it. Don't worry, Stuart, lots of people think he probably didn't write it anyway... Good grief! I barely know who he is, let alone that it was probably someone else anyway. What's the story? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
The usual - he copped it from someone else. I heard it from Pietro Prosser, I think. On Jan 23, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Gregory Doc Rossi wrote: On Jan 23, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: I'm probably too late to thank Brescianello for writing it. Don't worry, Stuart, lots of people think he probably didn't write it anyway... Good grief! I barely know who he is, let alone that it was probably someone else anyway. What's the story? Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
I believe that it is a problem with the way this PDF is generated. The PDF format should embed the font in the document. I can't read this on my Mac, though lots of other PDF's from the same site work fine. Martin On 22/2/08 22:58, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just checked on my Mac as well. A problem indeed, both Acrobat and Preview. No problem on the PC though, but I have the font in question there. RT - Original Message - From: Ray Brohinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music Mine is pretty far from Stuart's, and I get the same message and black balls everywhere a character should be on the music pages. The demo copy of django doesn't have an external font file, either. Maybe this is something that requires that the PDF be regenerated, or maybe the original Django.ttf (if such existed) could be made available? On Jan 22, 2008 5:21 PM, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Must be a font problem. I cannot read the file both in OSX and XP (under Parallels, though) g On 23.01.2008, at 22:19, Martin Eastwell wrote: I believe that it is a problem with the way this PDF is generated. The PDF format should embed the font in the document. I can't read this on my Mac, though lots of other PDF's from the same site work fine. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
It is a font problem. Spotlight found a zip file for me somewhere on my hard drive, Django-fontes.zip which contains two fonts. I doubleclicked and installed these in Leopard and the Brescianello works just fine. I do not believe that I obtained these illegally, therefore I am prepared to share. g This file contains two fonts, On 23.01.2008, at 22:47, Gernot Hilger wrote: Must be a font problem. I cannot read the file both in OSX and XP (under Parallels, though) g On 23.01.2008, at 22:19, Martin Eastwell wrote: I believe that it is a problem with the way this PDF is generated. The PDF format should embed the font in the document. I can't read this on my Mac, though lots of other PDF's from the same site work fine. Martin To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
I found the source and it is not illegal, I downloaded it from http://www.xs4all.nl/~paulduif/luth-librairie/ , but I cannot find the link. Drop me an email if you wish a copy. g On 23.01.2008, at 22:53, Gernot Hilger wrote: It is a font problem. Spotlight found a zip file for me somewhere on my hard drive, Django-fontes.zip which contains two fonts. I doubleclicked and installed these in Leopard and the Brescianello works just fine. I do not believe that I obtained these illegally, therefore I am prepared to share. g To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
I have the Brussells MS of mandora music Conservatoire Royal de Musique de Bruxelles MS 5.619 Beautiful and affordable facsimile from Editions Culture et Civilisation (Bruxelles, 1979). Also good if you want to play some easy baroque music on guitar (for yourself or your guitar pupils!). David David van Ooijen [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.davidvanooijen.nl To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Roman Turovsky wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There are other things than Adobe's Acrobat? I'll give them a go. Can you suggest one? There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
[LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music
Just checked on my Mac as well. A problem indeed, both Acrobat and Preview. No problem on the PC though, but I have the font in question there. RT - Original Message - From: Ray Brohinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [LUTE] Re: mandora/gallichon music Mine is pretty far from Stuart's, and I get the same message and black balls everywhere a character should be on the music pages. The demo copy of django doesn't have an external font file, either. Maybe this is something that requires that the PDF be regenerated, or maybe the original Django.ttf (if such existed) could be made available? On Jan 22, 2008 5:21 PM, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try a different PDF reader. RT There is a pdf of music for gallichon (Brescianello )on this page: http://luth-librairie.ifrance.com/ but it needs the 'django' font. Do you have to pay for this font or do you have to own the 'Django' software? I've come across some mandora/gallichon music, also of Brescianello, in pdf form by Michael Treder which is fine. I have the Brussells MS of mandora music and I have access to the Tree edition mandora MS (that was a bit of a surprise!). Are there any other reasonably accessible sources of mandora/gallichon music? Linda Sayce gave a talk to the Lute Society a few years ago and listed many sources of music for the instrument. But (from a British perspective) they look rather inaccessible. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com __ D O T E A S Y - Join the web hosting revolution! http://www.doteasy.com
