Re: problems with ert

2001-12-10 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Andre Poenitz wrote:

 ERTERTERTlabelERTERTERT
 
 is converted to
 
 ERTlabelordinary text.

Well Andre you're repeating yourself. I already answered this problem
and said that it is a fault of LyX's way reading old LaTeX Font code
and that we HAVE TO fix it. So you continue to complain about already
answered questions, you tell me this time too that you don't follow 
discussion. Well then I'll tell you that if you really do so the when
entering in the middle of one you should first of all go to the mail
archive (is it working now btw. ;) and have a look at it, before complaining
as some of our users do. I really think you know better than that!

Anyway I agree with Lars, NO insets inside ERT!

The above will be read as ERTTEXTlabelinsetERTTEXT!
(And I repeat myself again)

Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-10 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Andre Poenitz wrote:

> ERTERTERTERTERTERT
> 
> is converted to
> 
> ordinary text.

Well Andre you're repeating yourself. I already answered this problem
and said that it is a fault of LyX's way reading old LaTeX Font code
and that we HAVE TO fix it. So you continue to complain about already
answered questions, you tell me this time too that you don't follow 
discussion. Well then I'll tell you that if you really do so the when
entering in the middle of one you should first of all go to the mail
archive (is it working now btw. ;) and have a look at it, before complaining
as some of our users do. I really think you know better than that!

Anyway I agree with Lars, NO insets inside ERT!

The above will be read as ERTTEXTERTTEXT!
(And I repeat myself again)

Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:

 No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]
 no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!

Well I'm sorry but this can't be!

  Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss


On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:


 On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:

  No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]
  no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!

 Well I'm sorry but this can't be!

again: I inserted the label inside the ert with lyx
because it is easier than to write \label{...}.
in 1.2 there is no insert-label inside ert possible.
therefore it makes sense to convert a label inside
ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2 as \label{...}. than all
works well!

Herbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz


I just wondered:

Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
(and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:

 again: I inserted the label inside the ert with lyx
 because it is easier than to write \label{...}.
 in 1.2 there is no insert-label inside ert possible.
 therefore it makes sense to convert a label inside
 ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2 as \label{...}. than all
 works well!

The rule is set! Before you where able to insert ANY inset inside of
ERT text. Now we have the rule that you cannot. So we will read the
code as described by Dekel (and we have to fix the problem reported).
I don't think we will reinterpret good written insets to insert them
as ERT inside the ert inset.

We could add a feature of merge two adiacent equal insets to one, but
don't count on that in the near future. There are enough bugs to fix and
we have codefreeze. So this could be a new feature for a 1.2.x (x  0)
release and for 1.3.0.

   Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Andre Poenitz wrote:
 
 I just wondered:
 
 Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
 ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
 (and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)

InsetERT IS basically a InsetText! What exactly did you think?

  Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:09:38AM +0100, Juergen Vigna wrote:
  Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
  ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
  (and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)
 
 InsetERT IS basically a InsetText! What exactly did you think?

Well, InsetText can have nested insets, so we could have real labels in 
InsetERT, real math etc...

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:42:06PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 | Well, InsetText can have nested insets, so we could have real labels in 
 | InsetERT, real math etc...
 
 you are kidding I hope.

I don't think so. 

Currently, once you have decided to go to ERT land (and there are a few
reasons to do so every now and then) you are completely on your own. You
basically end up with an awful bloated text editor.

If you want a label there, well, write '\label{...}'. Not nice, you lose
all the LyX gimmicks.

Alternately, you start breaking up this into three parts ([ERT] [label]
[ERT]). Not nice either: Try to move the label one word to the right.
And it's a hack of course: The semantics you want is a label somewhere
in ERT and you got some ERT, a label, some more ERT.

When InsetERT is basically the same as InsetText (which I did not know),
there is not even a technical reason to disallow insets there. On the
contrary...

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss


On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:

 The rule is set! Before you where able to insert ANY inset inside of
 ERT text. Now we have the rule that you cannot. So we will read the
 code as described by Dekel (and we have to fix the problem reported).
 I don't think we will reinterpret good written insets to insert them
 as ERT inside the ert inset.

 We could add a feature of merge two adiacent equal insets to one, but
 don't count on that in the near future. There are enough bugs to fix and
 we have codefreeze. So this could be a new feature for a 1.2.x (x  0)
 release and for 1.3.0.

I disagree! You start an inset with begin_inset and end it with end_inset!
for ert:  all between start and end is ert, nothing else.

HErbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 01:03:30PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 We do _not_ want using ERT to be nice.  I want the users to be on
 their own when writing ERT.

I know. But I find that attitude strange as long as LyX does not support
everything that LaTeX does. And for various reasons (both practical and
theoretical) LyX _never_ will support everything LaTeX does.

 That InsetERT is atop a InsetText is just an implementation detail and
 not really wanted.
 
 ERT is most often the bandaid solution for things LyX does not support
 natively yet.

Exactly.

But there is no need to put off users by not being as nice as possible -
especially when being nice does not cost anything.

Maybe your usage of LyX is somewhat different from that I see (I have not
really _used_ LyX for a while now myself), but having more red than black
text is not unusual. And that's no abuse of ERT for something that LyX
could do but the only way to get it done _somehow_.

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Lars Gullik [iso-8859-1] Bjønnes wrote:

 | this is no argument to convert ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2
 | in a wrong way.

 What wrong way?

my label example. should be converted into one _real_
ert inset.

Herbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:20:23PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 What wrong way?

ERTERTERTlabelERTERTERT

is converted to

ERTlabelordinary text.

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:21:46PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 If you want a label inside ERT write \label. If you want to do it the
 LyX way, close the ERT and insert a InsetLabel.
 
 in ERT _you_ are king. and you get (and we enforce this) no meddling
 from Lyx.

Than I'd like to have a third inset which behaves exactly like TextInset
with the exception that LaTeX's funny chars do not get escaped in output.
And maybe typewriter font and red color by default, but that's not a must.

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:07:37PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 .lyx file please.
 
 I guess this is a case of misused ert in 1.1.6 (by the user)
 I bet the label is marked as ERT.

Yes. And?

Behaviour changed. We are not able to read 1.1.6 files. Latest stable.
Reminds me of some other program...

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
 | Yes. And?
 I thought we handled this case.

It was sounding like It's the user's fault, not ours, and we really don't
care since ERT is not our business anyway.

Maybe I should practice my mind-readins skills a bit again..

 | Behaviour changed. We are not able to read 1.1.6 files. Latest stable.
 | Reminds me of some other program...
 
 Have you ever seen development versions of that other program?

None that I am aware of...

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss



Garst R. Reese wrote:

 Herbert Voss wrote:
 
 
no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!

HErbert

 That would mean that if I have [ert-inset1][ert-inset2] and insert a
 label, then delete it, I would collapse the two [ert-insets]. That is
 bad behaviour. I sometimes want two in a row because when collapsed they
 might say [\Title{}][\Author{}].


the background is a 1.1.6 file and the argument, that it should

be converted well with 1.2.0. This has nothing to do with your
example.


Herbert

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread John Levon

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:09:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:

 really _used_ LyX for a while now myself), but having more red than black
 text is not unusual. And that's no abuse of ERT for something that LyX
 could do but the only way to get it done _somehow_.

That makes you a power user, therefore you don't need the frills inside of
ERT.

The only time I have ever used ERT is to get title pages right, and for sloppypar

I doubt I am really the atypical LyX user who doesn't know LaTeX.

john

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:

>> No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]
> no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!

Well I'm sorry but this can't be!

  Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss


On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:

>
> On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:
>
> >> No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]
> > no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!
>
> Well I'm sorry but this can't be!

again: I inserted the label inside the ert with lyx
because it is easier than to write \label{...}.
in 1.2 there is no insert->label inside ert possible.
therefore it makes sense to convert a label inside
ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2 as \label{...}. than all
works well!

Herbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz


I just wondered:

Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
(and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Herbert Voss wrote:

> again: I inserted the label inside the ert with lyx
> because it is easier than to write \label{...}.
> in 1.2 there is no insert->label inside ert possible.
> therefore it makes sense to convert a label inside
> ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2 as \label{...}. than all
> works well!

The rule is set! Before you where able to insert ANY inset inside of
ERT text. Now we have the rule that you cannot. So we will read the
code as described by Dekel (and we have to fix the problem reported).
I don't think we will reinterpret good written insets to insert them
as ERT inside the ert inset.

We could add a feature of merge two adiacent equal insets to one, but
don't count on that in the near future. There are enough bugs to fix and
we have codefreeze. So this could be a new feature for a 1.2.x (x > 0)
release and for 1.3.0.

   Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Juergen Vigna


On 07-Dec-2001 Andre Poenitz wrote:
> 
> I just wondered:
> 
> Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
> ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
> (and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)

InsetERT IS basically a InsetText! What exactly did you think?

  Jug

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 11:09:38AM +0100, Juergen Vigna wrote:
> > Should there be a conceptually difference between a TextInset and an
> > ERTInset except that the latter does not escape LaTeX's fancy characters?
> > (and maybe typewriter fonts on screen by default etc)
> 
> InsetERT IS basically a InsetText! What exactly did you think?

Well, InsetText can have nested insets, so we could have "real" labels in 
InsetERT, real math etc...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 12:42:06PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | Well, InsetText can have nested insets, so we could have "real" labels in 
> | InsetERT, real math etc...
> 
> you are kidding I hope.

I don't think so. 

Currently, once you have decided to go to ERT land (and there are a few
reasons to do so every now and then) you are completely on your own. You
basically end up with an awful bloated text editor.

If you want a label there, well, write '\label{...}'. Not nice, you lose
all the LyX gimmicks.

Alternately, you start breaking up this into three parts ([ERT] [label]
[ERT]). Not nice either: Try to move the label one "word" to the right.
And it's a hack of course: The semantics you want is "a label somewhere
in ERT" and you got "some ERT, a label, some more ERT".

When InsetERT is basically the same as InsetText (which I did not know),
there is not even a technical reason to disallow insets there. On the
contrary...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss


On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Juergen Vigna wrote:
>
> The rule is set! Before you where able to insert ANY inset inside of
> ERT text. Now we have the rule that you cannot. So we will read the
> code as described by Dekel (and we have to fix the problem reported).
> I don't think we will reinterpret good written insets to insert them
> as ERT inside the ert inset.
>
> We could add a feature of merge two adiacent equal insets to one, but
> don't count on that in the near future. There are enough bugs to fix and
> we have codefreeze. So this could be a new feature for a 1.2.x (x > 0)
> release and for 1.3.0.

I disagree! You start an inset with begin_inset and end it with end_inset!
for ert:  all between start and end is ert, nothing else.

HErbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 01:03:30PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> We do _not_ want using ERT to be nice.  I want the users to be on
> their own when writing ERT.

I know. But I find that attitude strange as long as LyX does not support
everything that LaTeX does. And for various reasons (both practical and
theoretical) LyX _never_ will support everything LaTeX does.

> That InsetERT is atop a InsetText is just an implementation detail and
> not really wanted.
> 
> ERT is most often the bandaid solution for things LyX does not support
> natively yet.

Exactly.

But there is no need to put off users by not being as nice as possible -
especially when "being nice" does not cost anything.

Maybe your usage of LyX is somewhat different from that I see (I have not
really _used_ LyX for a while now myself), but having more red than black
text is not unusual. And that's no abuse of ERT for something that LyX
could do but the only way to get it done _somehow_.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss

On Fri, 7 Dec 2001, Lars Gullik [iso-8859-1] Bjønnes wrote:

> | this is no argument to convert ert from 1.1.6 to 1.2
> | in a wrong way.
>
> What wrong way?

my label example. should be converted into one _real_
ert inset.

Herbert




Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:20:23PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> What wrong way?

ERTERTERTERTERTERT

is converted to

ordinary text.

Andre'

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André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:21:46PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> If you want a label inside ERT write \label. If you want to do it the
> LyX way, close the ERT and insert a InsetLabel.
> 
> in ERT _you_ are king. and you get (and we enforce this) no meddling
> from Lyx.

Than I'd like to have a third inset which behaves exactly like TextInset
with the exception that LaTeX's funny chars do not get escaped in output.
And maybe typewriter font and red color by default, but that's not a must.

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:07:37PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> .lyx file please.
> 
> I guess this is a case of misused ert in 1.1.6 (by the user)
> I bet the label is marked as ERT.

Yes. And?

Behaviour changed. We are not able to read 1.1.6 files. Latest stable.
Reminds me of some other program...

Andre'

-- 
André Pönitz .. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Andre Poenitz

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | Yes. And?
> I thought we handled this case.

It was sounding like "It's the user's fault, not ours, and we really don't
care since ERT is not our business anyway".

Maybe I should practice my mind-readins skills a bit again..

> | Behaviour changed. We are not able to read 1.1.6 files. Latest stable.
> | Reminds me of some other program...
> 
> Have you ever seen development versions of that other program?

None that I am aware of...

Andre'

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread Herbert Voss



Garst R. Reese wrote:

> Herbert Voss wrote:
> 
> 
>>no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!
>>
>>HErbert
>>
> That would mean that if I have [ert-inset1][ert-inset2] and insert a
> label, then delete it, I would collapse the two [ert-insets]. That is
> bad behaviour. I sometimes want two in a row because when collapsed they
> might say [\Title{}][\Author{}].


the background is a 1.1.6 file and the argument, that it should

be converted well with 1.2.0. This has nothing to do with your
example.


Herbert

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-07 Thread John Levon

On Fri, Dec 07, 2001 at 02:09:20PM +0100, Andre Poenitz wrote:

> really _used_ LyX for a while now myself), but having more red than black
> text is not unusual. And that's no abuse of ERT for something that LyX
> could do but the only way to get it done _somehow_.

That makes you a power user, therefore you don't need the frills inside of
ERT.

The only time I have ever used ERT is to get title pages right, and for sloppypar

I doubt I am really the atypical LyX user who doesn't know LaTeX.

john

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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-06 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:57:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
 see attached file:
 in 1.1.6 you can have a label inside ert.
 1.2.0 end's with ert after the label.

You description is not accurate.
The 1.1.6 file contains ert-text1[label-inset]ert-text2
In 1.2.0 the result is [ert-inset1][label-inset]ert-text2,
where ert-inset1 contains the text ert-text1, 
but ert-text2 appears as text and not inside ert-inset

 should be converted to \label{...}

No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-06 Thread Herbert Voss



Dekel Tsur wrote:

 On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:57:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
 
see attached file:
in 1.1.6 you can have a label inside ert.
1.2.0 end's with ert after the label.

 
 You description is not accurate.
 The 1.1.6 file contains ert-text1[label-inset]ert-text2
 In 1.2.0 the result is [ert-inset1][label-inset]ert-text2,
 where ert-inset1 contains the text ert-text1, 
 but ert-text2 appears as text and not inside ert-inset


it's a problem of inset inside inset, nothing else.

 
should be converted to \label{...}

 
 No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]


no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!



HErbert

 


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Re: problems with ert

2001-12-06 Thread Dekel Tsur

On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:57:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
> see attached file:
> in 1.1.6 you can have a label inside ert.
> 1.2.0 end's with ert after the label.

You description is not accurate.
The 1.1.6 file contains [label-inset]
In 1.2.0 the result is [ert-inset1][label-inset]ert-text2,
where ert-inset1 contains the text ert-text1, 
but ert-text2 appears as text and not inside ert-inset

> should be converted to \label{...}

No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]



Re: problems with ert

2001-12-06 Thread Herbert Voss



Dekel Tsur wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 10:57:16PM +0100, Herbert Voss wrote:
> 
>>see attached file:
>>in 1.1.6 you can have a label inside ert.
>>1.2.0 end's with ert after the label.
>>
> 
> You description is not accurate.
> The 1.1.6 file contains [label-inset]
> In 1.2.0 the result is [ert-inset1][label-inset]ert-text2,
> where ert-inset1 contains the text ert-text1, 
> but ert-text2 appears as text and not inside ert-inset


it's a problem of inset inside inset, nothing else.

> 
>>should be converted to \label{...}
>>
> 
> No it shouldn't. The result should be [ert-inset1][label-inset][ert-inset2]


no! If I delete the label, I want to have ONE ert inset!



HErbert

 


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