Re: FAQ
Paul A. Rubin wrote: What would you think about creating a section labeled Obsolete (or something similar) and moving pages with archaic content to it? They would still appear in searches, but hopefully the location would inform the reader that the information was dated. I'd rather delete really obsolete content and move info on recent versions that is considered still relevant to appropriate (sub)sections on the same page. I really put much effort in organizing the FAQ thematically and I'd like to avoid unsorted pages whatsoever. Jürgen
Re: FAQ
Paul A. Rubin wrote: > What would you think about creating a section labeled "Obsolete" (or > something similar) and moving pages with archaic content to it? They > would still appear in searches, but hopefully the location would inform > the reader that the information was dated. I'd rather delete really obsolete content and move info on recent versions that is considered still relevant to appropriate (sub)sections on the same page. I really put much effort in organizing the FAQ thematically and I'd like to avoid unsorted pages whatsoever. Jürgen
Re: FAQ
What would you think about creating a section labeled Obsolete (or something similar) and moving pages with archaic content to it? They would still appear in searches, but hopefully the location would inform the reader that the information was dated. /Paul
Re: FAQ
What would you think about creating a section labeled "Obsolete" (or something similar) and moving pages with archaic content to it? They would still appear in searches, but hopefully the location would inform the reader that the information was dated. /Paul
Re: FAQ
Richard Heck wrote: Did some...will try to do more later. Thanks. I proceed myself from time to time. Jürgen
Re: FAQ
Richard Heck wrote: > Did some...will try to do more later. Thanks. I proceed myself from time to time. Jürgen
Re: FAQ
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:28:30PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: Hi As you (ought to) know, I've more or less arbitrarily been writing down some of the questions and answers I've seen on the user's list here: http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ [snip!] separately from FAQ.lyx, and if FAQ.lyx is (ever) updated, this entire FAQ ought to be checked for questions that should go into FAQ.lyx, instead of [snip!] Quick historical remark, Christian: When I originally created FAQ.lyx (during the Great Doc Rewrite of '96), my idea was that *FAQ.lyx* would be one of the two moving-target members of the docs. It would shift, change, rearrange as needed and as things moved out of the FAQ into the manuals. My suggestion to you, therefore, would be to do all of your editing in your own version of FAQ.lyx and generate your text FAQ via ASCII-export. You can then submit your FAQ.lyx modifications to the DocTeam (what's left of it, anyway) so that someone with CVS access can commit it after an editorial once-over. -- John Weiss
Re: FAQ
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, John Weiss wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:28:30PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: Quick historical remark, Christian: When I originally created FAQ.lyx (during the Great Doc Rewrite of '96), my idea was that *FAQ.lyx* would be one of the two Wow... that's before I'd even started to use Lyx :-) My suggestion to you, therefore, would be to do all of your editing in your own version of FAQ.lyx and generate your text FAQ via ASCII-export. You can then submit your FAQ.lyx modifications to the DocTeam (what's left of it, anyway) so that someone with CVS access can commit it after an editorial once-over. My goal isn't really to write a new FAQ.lyx, although the wiki started a while ago when I actually did make some changes to FAQ.lyx and sent it in and so on. The problem with that was that the cycle time is really slow (an editorial once-over, or peer review, is of course necessary for the FAQ.lyx since that's distributed with lyx) and then I continue talking about this and that :-) so I've put it here instead: http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxDocFuture /Christian
Re: FAQ
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:28:30PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Hi > > As you (ought to) know, I've more or less arbitrarily been writing > down some of the questions and answers I've seen on the user's list here: > http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ [snip!] > separately from FAQ.lyx, and if FAQ.lyx is (ever) updated, this entire FAQ > ought to be checked for questions that should go into FAQ.lyx, instead of [snip!] Quick historical remark, Christian: When I originally created FAQ.lyx (during the Great Doc Rewrite of '96), my idea was that *FAQ.lyx* would be one of the two "moving-target" members of the docs. It would shift, change, rearrange as needed and as things moved out of the FAQ into the manuals. My suggestion to you, therefore, would be to do all of your editing in your own version of FAQ.lyx and generate your text FAQ via ASCII-export. You can then submit your FAQ.lyx modifications to the DocTeam (what's left of it, anyway) so that someone with CVS access can commit it after an editorial once-over. -- John Weiss
Re: FAQ
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, John Weiss wrote: > On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:28:30PM +0100, Christian Ridderström wrote: > Quick historical remark, Christian: > > When I originally created FAQ.lyx (during the Great Doc Rewrite of > '96), my idea was that *FAQ.lyx* would be one of the two Wow... that's before I'd even started to use Lyx :-) > My suggestion to you, therefore, would be to do all of your editing in > your own version of FAQ.lyx and generate your text FAQ via > ASCII-export. You can then submit your FAQ.lyx modifications to the > DocTeam (what's left of it, anyway) so that someone with CVS access > can commit it after an editorial once-over. My goal isn't really to write a new FAQ.lyx, although the wiki started a while ago when I actually did make some changes to FAQ.lyx and sent it in and so on. The problem with that was that the cycle time is really slow (an editorial once-over, or peer review, is of course necessary for the FAQ.lyx since that's distributed with lyx) and then I continue talking about this and that :-) so I've put it here instead: http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxDocFuture /Christian
Re: FAQ
Christian Ridderström wrote: Hi As you (ought to) know, I've more or less arbitrarily been writing down some of the questions and answers I've seen on the user's list here: http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ However, the unsorted questions are getting a bit too many now, so I'd like to do something about that. At first I just copied everything from FAQ.lyx, including the structure with the following categories: * Introduction and General Information * Internet Resources * Compatibility with other word/document processors * Obtaining and Compiling LyX * Questions about Evil Red Text (IMPORTANT!) * Questions Related to Using LyX * Questions Related to Using LyX * Questions Related to LyX on Windows * How to get further assistance * Administrative information and acknowledgments and added the category: * Unsorted questions. where I've been adding questions. After I while I also started adding separate pages for some of the answers (in an unstructured way) since the page was getting a bit long. Here are my questions: * Are there any objections to me moving questions into the priorly defined categories? * Do you have any ideas or opinions on new categories? * Any opinions etc on where the different questions should go? PS. The reason I'm asking about objection to moving new questions into the prior categories is that it will definitely make this FAQ get a life separately from FAQ.lyx, and if FAQ.lyx is (ever) updated, this entire FAQ ought to be checked for questions that should go into FAQ.lyx, instead of just the category: *unsorted questions* DS No objections. I think a section on layout would catch a lot of questions. Robin -- A Perl script is correct if it gets the job done before your boss fires you. - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: FAQ
On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Taking a snapshot of lyx wiki Here is a better solution (assuming that you can write to $LYXDIR/doc) cd $LYXDIR # i.e. to .../share/lyx wget -r -P doc -nh -nH -k -p -R '*\?*' http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis this will create a snapshot structure of all the wikis in $LYXDIR |-- doc | `-- wiki | |-- img | `-- moin.cgi(here's where the actual wikis are) and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined with -k that fixes this). A link in LyxWikis will now look like this: a href=LyxFAQLyxFAQ/a i.e. it will have a relative path, so it doesn't matter where $LYXDIR actually is. There will still be paths that doesn't work, such as: a href=/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis?action=editEditText/a but they wont work properly without a cgi-script anyway. So, to sum it up. It ought to be really easy to send this stuff with any lyx installation doing as I've described above. Then it's just a matter of informing the user that if he opens an URL such as this: file://localhost/usr/local/share/lyx/doc/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ he'll find a local copy of the FAQ. Of course, at the moment everything gets passed along, so it might be prudent to execute something like: rm `grep -i -L lyx $LYXDIR/share/doc/wiki/moin.cgi/*` or do it the otherway around, and add a certain text-tag to the pages we want to be exported. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-790 91 37 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr Mechatronics lab, Dept. of Machine Designhttp://www.md.kth.se
Re: FAQ
Christian == Christian Ridderström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian Here is a better solution (assuming that you can write to Christian $LYXDIR/doc) cd $LYXDIR # i.e. to .../share/lyx wget -r -P Christian doc -nh -nH -k -p -R '*\?*' Christian http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis Christian this will create a snapshot structure of all the wikis in Christian $LYXDIR |-- doc | `-- wiki | |-- img | `-- moin.cgi Christian (here's where the actual wikis are) Christian and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does Christian that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined Christian with -k that fixes this). What I had in mind is more complicated: I wanted to get the output as a .lyx file... OK, how could I get the text version of a given entry, say LyXFAQ? I can see it when pressing 'edit', but I don't sem to be able to download it. The format seems simple enough that it could be translated to latex or to lyx. I would think such a tool already exists, but the moinmoin page is not very helpful in that respect. I have to admit that this wiki thing is kind of new to me. JMarc
Re: FAQ
Christian == Christian Ridderström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Christian == Christian Ridderström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it possible to export a Wiki to something that could in turn be transformed into a LyX doc? A kind of Wiki2lyx program. Christian Yes, I think that's quite possible, especially since the Christian format is quite trivial. The raw format can be acquired Christian like this: Christian wget Christian 'http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis?action=raw' Oops, I should not read your messages in reverse order. I have the info I need now. Christian However, I think we _really_ ought to have a wiki at Christian www.lyx.org, rather than at www.ev-en.org for Christian backup-reasons if nothing else. You ought to talk to Lars about this. Christian All I know about this site is that the owner didn't mind me Christian putting the wiki's there when I asked him (in fact, a long Christian while ago he created the first few lyx wikis there and sent Christian a mail to the user's list). This is Baruch Even's site. He is in particular the author of the new graphics inset that appeared in 1.2.0. JMarc
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On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Christian == Christian Ridderström [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christian and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does Christian that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined Christian with -k that fixes this). What I had in mind is more complicated: I wanted to get the output as a .lyx file... I think there are two different ways of looking at this... do we want something offline but browsable, or something offline and printable? If it's enough to be able to browse it, then this should work. For printing on the other hand, you'd need to pull in all the links etc. OK, how could I get the text version of a given entry, say LyXFAQ? I can see it when pressing 'edit', but I don't sem to be able to download it. The format seems simple enough that it could be have to admit that this wiki thing is kind of new to me. Yeah, it's new to me too. You get the raw format as I wrote in my first post. The raw format can be acquired like this: wget 'http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ?action=raw' Tonight I'll surf around to see what kind of converters are available. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
Re: FAQ
Christian Ridderström wrote: Hi As you (ought to) know, I've more or less arbitrarily been writing down some of the questions and answers I've seen on the user's list here: http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ However, the unsorted questions are getting a bit too many now, so I'd like to do something about that. At first I just copied everything from FAQ.lyx, including the structure with the following categories: * Introduction and General Information * Internet Resources * Compatibility with other word/document processors * Obtaining and Compiling LyX * Questions about Evil Red Text (IMPORTANT!) * Questions Related to Using LyX * Questions Related to Using LyX * Questions Related to LyX on Windows * How to get further assistance * Administrative information and acknowledgments and added the category: * Unsorted questions. where I've been adding questions. After I while I also started adding separate pages for some of the answers (in an unstructured way) since the page was getting a bit long. Here are my questions: * Are there any objections to me moving questions into the priorly defined categories? * Do you have any ideas or opinions on new categories? * Any opinions etc on where the different questions should go? PS. The reason I'm asking about objection to moving new questions into the prior categories is that it will definitely make this FAQ get a life separately from FAQ.lyx, and if FAQ.lyx is (ever) updated, this entire FAQ ought to be checked for questions that should go into FAQ.lyx, instead of just the category: *unsorted questions* DS No objections. I think a section on layout would catch a lot of questions. Robin -- "A Perl script is "correct" if it gets the job done before your boss fires you." - Larry Wall Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin
Re: FAQ
On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> Taking a snapshot of lyx wiki Here is a better solution (assuming that you can write to $LYXDIR/doc) cd $LYXDIR # i.e. to .../share/lyx wget -r -P doc -nh -nH -k -p -R '*\?*' http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis this will create a snapshot structure of all the wikis in $LYXDIR |-- doc | `-- wiki | |-- img | `-- moin.cgi(here's where the actual wikis are) and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined with -k that fixes this). A link in LyxWikis will now look like this: LyxFAQ i.e. it will have a relative path, so it doesn't matter where $LYXDIR actually is. There will still be paths that doesn't work, such as: EditText but they wont work properly without a cgi-script anyway. So, to sum it up. It ought to be really easy to send this stuff with any lyx installation doing as I've described above. Then it's just a matter of informing the user that if he opens an URL such as this: file://localhost/usr/local/share/lyx/doc/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ he'll find a local copy of the FAQ. Of course, at the moment everything gets passed along, so it might be prudent to execute something like: rm `grep -i -L lyx $LYXDIR/share/doc/wiki/moin.cgi/*` or do it the otherway around, and add a certain text-tag to the pages we want to be exported. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström, +46-8-790 91 37 http://www.md.kth.se/~chr Mechatronics lab, Dept. of Machine Designhttp://www.md.kth.se
Re: FAQ
> "Christian" == Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian> Here is a better solution (assuming that you can write to Christian> $LYXDIR/doc) cd $LYXDIR # i.e. to .../share/lyx wget -r -P Christian> doc -nh -nH -k -p -R '*\?*' Christian> http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis Christian> this will create a snapshot structure of all the wikis in Christian> $LYXDIR |-- doc | `-- wiki | |-- img | `-- moin.cgi Christian> (here's where the actual wikis are) Christian> and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does Christian> that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined Christian> with -k that fixes this). What I had in mind is more complicated: I wanted to get the output as a .lyx file... OK, how could I get the text version of a given entry, say LyXFAQ? I can see it when pressing 'edit', but I don't sem to be able to download it. The format seems simple enough that it could be translated to latex or to lyx. I would think such a tool already exists, but the moinmoin page is not very helpful in that respect. I have to admit that this wiki thing is kind of new to me. JMarc
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> "Christian" == Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian> On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: >> > "Christian" == Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Is it possible to export a Wiki to something that could in turn be >> transformed into a LyX doc? A kind of Wiki2lyx program. Christian> Yes, I think that's quite possible, especially since the Christian> format is quite trivial. The raw format can be acquired Christian> like this: Christian> wget Christian> 'http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxWikis?action=raw' Oops, I should not read your messages in reverse order. I have the info I need now. Christian> However, I think we _really_ ought to have a wiki at Christian> www.lyx.org, rather than at www.ev-en.org for Christian> backup-reasons if nothing else. You ought to talk to Lars about this. Christian> All I know about this site is that the owner didn't mind me Christian> putting the wiki's there when I asked him (in fact, a long Christian> while ago he created the first few lyx wikis there and sent Christian> a mail to the user's list). This is Baruch Even's site. He is in particular the author of the new graphics inset that appeared in 1.2.0. JMarc
Re: FAQ
On 12 Feb 2003, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Christian" == Christian Ridderström <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Christian> and you don't have to post-parse the files since wget does > Christian> that at end for you (I think it's the switch -P combined > Christian> with -k that fixes this). > > What I had in mind is more complicated: I wanted to get the output as > a .lyx file... I think there are two different ways of looking at this... do we want something offline but browsable, or something offline and printable? If it's enough to be able to browse it, then this should work. For printing on the other hand, you'd need to pull in all the links etc. > OK, how could I get the text version of a given entry, say LyXFAQ? I > can see it when pressing 'edit', but I don't sem to be able to > download it. The format seems simple enough that it could be > have to admit that this wiki thing is kind of new to me. Yeah, it's new to me too. You get the raw format as I wrote in my first post. The raw format can be acquired like this: wget 'http://ev-en.org/wiki/moin.cgi/LyxFAQ?action=raw' Tonight I'll surf around to see what kind of converters are available. /Christian -- Christian Ridderström http://www.md.kth.se/~chr
