Re: Multiple Frames?
In a message dated: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:16:05 +0100 Martin Konold said: >On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Paul L. Lussier wrote: > >> Is there a way to configure KDE to run from the .xsession/.xinitrc >> file? When I log into CDE currently, I run the 'openwin' session > >I use it on machine via .xinitrc all the time. That's just what I wanted to hear :) Thanks ! > (No you do not need root access) Not for that,but for configging/installing I do. But that's okay, I'm the sysadmin, I have it :) -- Seeya, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadband Technology Division - Bay Networks (now a Nortel Company, Eh? :) If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Paul L. Lussier wrote: > Is there a way to configure KDE to run from the .xsession/.xinitrc > file? When I log into CDE currently, I run the 'openwin' session I use it on machine via .xinitrc all the time. (No you do not need root access) Regards, -- martin // Martin Konold, Herrenbergerstr. 14, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Anybody who's comfortable using KDE should use it. Anyone who wants to tell other people what they should be using can go to work for Microsoft. -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 16:07:08 +0100 Michael Hanke said: >Not true: Im doing the same (switching between Solaris and Linux). >And I am running KDE on both platforms with success. I think >personally that it's better than CDE or openwin. What I meant by stating that KDE not being an option on Solaris was that all the Sun we have are running CDE. Is there a way to configure KDE to run from the .xsession/.xinitrc file? When I log into CDE currently, I run the 'openwin' session which reads my .xinitrc, which then fires up fvwm2. So if there's a way to run KDE from my .xinitrc file in the same manner, then maybe it is an option. -- Seeya, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadband Technology Division - Bay Networks (now a Nortel Company, Eh? :) If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
Roger Williams wrote: > >>>>> Ralph Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > With regard to multiple frames I didn't try it, but I would > > suggest that the X clipboard functions might well be available for > > transferring text between instances as well. > > If you *had* tried it, you would discovered that each instance of LyX > uses a private paste buffer, so you can't use X clipboard functions to > copy between them. Or were you suggesting to the development team > that this behaviour ought to be changed? > That wouldn't be a bad idea if it wasn't too much trouble! > > -- > Roger Williams finger me for my PGP public key > Coelacanth Engineering Incconsulting & turnkey product development > Middleborough, Massachusetts wireless * datacomm * DSP * ATE > tel +1 508 947-5585 * fax +1 508 861-0278 * http://www.coelacanth.com/ > > -- > +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the **Subject** unsubscribe. begin:vcard n:Meyer;Ralph L. tel;fax:609.258.1087 tel;home:732.251.0331 tel;work:609.258.4228 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Princeton University;East Asian Studies Department version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Publications Manager adr;quoted-printable:;;211 Jones Hall=0D=0APrinceton University;Princeton;NJ;08544;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;-13920 fn:Meyer, Ralph L. end:vcard
Re: Multiple Frames?
> "Ralph" == Ralph Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ralph> I'm peripherally involved in a co-operative effort to get a new Ralph> UK Linux magazine launched. Since the progenitor of this has Ralph> asked for contributions to be submitted in LaTeX format I am Ralph> advocating that contributors should be encouraged to use LyX so Ralph> that a detailed LyX document template can be distributed which Ralph> will allow these authors to send in their articles in an almost Ralph> finished format and thus substantially reduce the amount of Ralph> re-editing required. That's a nice idea :) Ralph> Anyway, the question I have is this: In outline, what is Ralph> involved in creating such a detailed template for LyX? I note Ralph> that there seem to be two things involved: templates themselves Ralph> which it seems are just normal lyx documents in which you've Ralph> substituted placeholder text, like entering the word 'Title' Ralph> rather than an actual title. That's it. Ralph> And document classes, which look Ralph> kind of hard-wired. How difficult is it to create these and Ralph> what do I read to find out how to do it? You will need two things: - a LaTeX document class (.cls file) which produces the kind of output you expect. It will typically be based on article.cls. I guess some work has already been done in this respect. - a LyX textclass (.layout file) which describes for LyX what the document class does. You will find a bunch of these in LyX distribution, and their format is somewhat described in Customization.lyx (with errors, unfortunately). Ralph> And how do lyx-0.12 and lyx-1.0 differ in this context? They are basically the same, but LyX 1.0 has a bunch of small improvements that make life easier. Ralph> I'm already reading the version 0.12 documentation but having a Ralph> bit of hard time finding what I want. I just need a few Ralph> pointers so I can get high-level answers to these vital Ralph> questions without waiting to become proficent in basic LyX Ralph> usage first. So the advices are: (1) read the section of Customization.lyx devoted to textclasses (2) browse in the exisiting textclasses to have a feeling of what can (and should) be done and (3) ask again here if you have questions. JMarc -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
>>>>> "Roger" == Roger Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Roger> If you *had* tried it, you would discovered that each instance Roger> of LyX uses a private paste buffer, so you can't use X Roger> clipboard functions to copy between them. Or were you Roger> suggesting to the development team that this behaviour ought to Roger> be changed? The clipboard will indeed not work. And multiple frames will probably happen sooner than shared clipboard. JMarc -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
>>>>> Ralph Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With regard to multiple frames I didn't try it, but I would > suggest that the X clipboard functions might well be available for > transferring text between instances as well. If you *had* tried it, you would discovered that each instance of LyX uses a private paste buffer, so you can't use X clipboard functions to copy between them. Or were you suggesting to the development team that this behaviour ought to be changed? -- Roger Williams finger me for my PGP public key Coelacanth Engineering Incconsulting & turnkey product development Middleborough, Massachusetts wireless * datacomm * DSP * ATE tel +1 508 947-5585 * fax +1 508 861-0278 * http://www.coelacanth.com/ -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
Hello LyX users I'm newly subscribed to the list and not yet blooded as a lyx user though I have experience in document formatting using XICS (a proprietary Xerox format, somewhat SGML-like). I'm peripherally involved in a co-operative effort to get a new UK Linux magazine launched. Since the progenitor of this has asked for contributions to be submitted in LaTeX format I am advocating that contributors should be encouraged to use LyX so that a detailed LyX document template can be distributed which will allow these authors to send in their articles in an almost finished format and thus substantially reduce the amount of re-editing required. In my experience this is a valuable thing to do particularly as regards positioning of figures relative to their references in the text, control of widows and orphans, column, section and page breaks etc. If the submitted article is already formatted with the same fonts, carding, column dimensions etc then there is much less that should need to be changed (unless they adopt the appalling practise of inserting advertisements into the middle of the articles). Anyway, the question I have is this: In outline, what is involved in creating such a detailed template for LyX? I note that there seem to be two things involved: templates themselves which it seems are just normal lyx documents in which you've substituted placeholder text, like entering the word 'Title' rather than an actual title. And document classes, which look kind of hard-wired. How difficult is it to create these and what do I read to find out how to do it? I'm hoping to create templates or classes or whatever that will specify every single detail affecting the placement of data on the printed page, and define styles for headings, headers and footers, body text, figure titles and everything else. And how do lyx-0.12 and lyx-1.0 differ in this context? I'm already reading the version 0.12 documentation but having a bit of hard time finding what I want. I just need a few pointers so I can get high-level answers to these vital questions without waiting to become proficent in basic LyX usage first. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ralph Clark, Virgo Solutions Ltd (UK) __ _ / / (_)__ __ __* Powerful * Flexible * Compatible * Reliable * / /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / *Well Supported * Thousands of New Users Every Day* //_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\The Cost Effective Choice - Linux Means Business! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
On Thu, 21 Jan 1999, Paul L. Lussier wrote: > Does KLyX work without KDE? I currently jump between Solaris and Linux, > and really like having identical environments on the different platforms. > Switching to KDE isn't really an option for the Solaris environment, so > if KLyX only works under KDE, I'd rather stick with LyX for the time > being. > Not true: Im doing the same (switching between Solaris and Linux). And I am running KDE on both platforms with success. I think personally that it's better than CDE or openwin. Michael +---+ | Michael HankeRoyal Institute of Technology | | NADA| | S-10044 Stockholm | | Sweden | +---+ | Visiting address:Lindstedtsvaegen 3 | | Phone: + (46) (8) 790 6278 | | Fax: + (46) (8) 790 0930 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +---+ -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
> "Paul" == Paul L Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> Does KLyX work without KDE? I currently jump between Solaris Paul> and Linux, and really like having identical environments on the Paul> different platforms. Switching to KDE isn't really an option Paul> for the Solaris environment, so if KLyX only works under KDE, Paul> I'd rather stick with LyX for the time being. Well, KLyX does work outside of the KDE environment, but you have to compile the kde support libraries to use it. JMarc -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 10:31:47 +0100 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes said: >This is one of the goals of the current development branch (1.1), but >it means a lot of work. That's what I figured. But I had to ask. At least I know now that it's being worked on, and I just have to be patient :) >However, don't hold your breath for it. Remember how long it took to >get emacs 19... I'll just be patient :) Thanks! >You might also want to check out KLyX. I thin it has this feature. Does KLyX work without KDE? I currently jump between Solaris and Linux, and really like having identical environments on the different platforms. Switching to KDE isn't really an option for the Solaris environment, so if KLyX only works under KDE, I'd rather stick with LyX for the time being. Thanks a lot for all the feedback! And keep up the great work! -- Seeya, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadband Technology Division - Bay Networks (now a Nortel Company, Eh? :) If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
In a message dated: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:00:44 GMT Roger Williams said: >>>>>> Thierry Michalowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For the multi-frame question, I thought there was a menu that > > allowed to switch between a bunch of opened documents... > >Of course. But sometimes it's essential to be able to view several >documents at the same time, which is why multiple frames and split >windows are so useful in emacs. You can start another LyX process, >but then you can't cut and paste between documents, because LyX >doesn't copy into the X cut buffer... My point exactly ! I knew I wasn't alone out here ;) -- Seeya, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadband Technology Division - Bay Networks (now a Nortel Company, Eh? :) If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
With regard to multiple frames, I tried on my Linux box last night and was able to open several instances of LyX with a different document in each and switch between them with no trouble at all. I didn't try it, but I would suggest that the X clipboard functions might well be available for transferring text between instances as well. The usage is quite the same as that of multiple frames in Emacs. The only thing you need to note is that on opening each instance of LyX, it appears in the center of the window and will overlay the other instance previously opened such that it appears you have only one opened. But if you move one or the other away from the center of the window, voila'!... there's the previous instance underneath, all ready to be used, moved to where you want it, or size-adjusted so you can see more of what you're doing. Hope this helps. Thierry Michalowski wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, myriam wrote: > > > > > I have 2 general questions related to that. > > > > I've heard of KDE and Klyx. What's the > > relationship of Lyx with Gnome and how > > choose between KDE and Gnome if they provide > > the same functionality but you also want Lyx? > > > Well, I should try to answer to that. Actually, I think -should be > corrected by someone if I'm wrong, I'm currently working withe the 0.12 > version of Lyx - that there is no relashionship between Lyx and Gnome, > neither KDE. > KLyx is basically an effort to let Lyx conform to a "standard" interface > which is defined by KDE. Maybe the developers added some functionalities > too, but that was not the main purpose of Klyx.In my opinion. > Gnome and KDE do not provide the same functionality. They resemble in the > way they both try to be a user-friendly interface to Linux/Unix, but they > are ways different. I think Gnome is more powerful and configurable, too, > but that is another question... :-) > So, if you just want Lyx, you can have it.And you don't ever need Gnome > nor KDE! (I don't have any on my Sun station at work, and still I'm using > Lyx.But I don't use Klyx, which needs KDE, or at least some of its > components, to work.) > > For the multi-frame question, I thought there was a menu that allowed to > switch between a bunch of opened documents on the right of the main menu > of Lyx...Of course, you still work with only one frame, but at least you > don't need to close and reopen every document every time you switch back > and forth! > > > > >I'm looking forward > > >to the final release of 1.0 :) > > > > I have to download the latest version this weekend before > > school starts again. Are you going to tell me the new > > version is out Monday? > > > Maybe the developers will flame me for that, but I'm awaiting the > "imminent" 1.0 version for at least two months now...Still "imminent" > though...Much more than two month ago I suppose! ;-D (Well, just kidding, > guys!) > > > Whew, I kept it down to 2 > questions :) > > > You're welcome! > > Thierry Michalowski / > CPE Lyon - 3rd year Student\\\' , / // > Electronics and Computer Science\\\//_/ //' > 17, rue d'Enghien\_-//' / //' > 69002 LYON FRANCE \ /// //' > phone: +33 4 78 37 03 11 / >> \\\` > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /,)-^>> _\` > (/ \\ / \\\ > "Unix is user-friendly... // //\\\ > It is just selective about who its friends are"((` > > -- > +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ > To unsubscribe from this list send mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with the **Subject** unsubscribe. begin:vcard n:Meyer;Ralph L. tel;fax:609.258.1087 tel;home:732.251.0331 tel;work:609.258.4228 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Princeton University;East Asian Studies Department version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Publications Manager adr;quoted-printable:;;211 Jones Hall=0D=0APrinceton University;Princeton;NJ;08544;USA x-mozilla-cpt:;-13920 fn:Meyer, Ralph L. end:vcard
Re: Multiple Frames?
> "Paul" == Paul L Lussier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Paul> I've been using LyX for sometime now as a general utility Paul> word-processor, and love it. One feature I would really like, Paul> if it's possible, would be something similar to the multiple Paul> frames feature of emacs. This is one of the goals of the current development branch (1.1), but it means a lot of work. Currently it is somewhat possible to get a split screen (which does not really work, but it *is* there). However, don't hold your breath for it. Remember how long it took to get emacs 19... You might also want to check out KLyX. I thin it has this feature. JMarc -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
> "Thierry" == Thierry Michalowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Thierry> Well, I should try to answer to that. Actually, I think Thierry> -should be corrected by someone if I'm wrong, I'm currently Thierry> working withe the 0.12 version of Lyx - that there is no Thierry> relashionship between Lyx and Gnome, neither KDE. This is indeed the case currently. Thierry> KLyx is Thierry> basically an effort to let Lyx conform to a "standard" Thierry> interface which is defined by KDE. Maybe the developers added Thierry> some functionalities too, but that was not the main purpose Thierry> of Klyx. Yes, basically, KLyX is LyX with a better interface. There may be a few constructs that differ between the two (e.g., KLyX has support for line spacing at paragraph level). Thierry> Maybe the developers will flame me for that, but I'm awaiting Thierry> the "imminent" 1.0 version for at least two months Thierry> now...Still "imminent" though...Much more than two month ago Thierry> I suppose! ;-D (Well, just kidding, guys!) This time, we have decided that the release date was Feb 1, and we'll try to stick to this date. So you'd better all test 1.0.0pre8 which is just out and tell if there are major problems... JMarc -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
>>>>> Thierry Michalowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > For the multi-frame question, I thought there was a menu that > allowed to switch between a bunch of opened documents... Of course. But sometimes it's essential to be able to view several documents at the same time, which is why multiple frames and split windows are so useful in emacs. You can start another LyX process, but then you can't cut and paste between documents, because LyX doesn't copy into the X cut buffer... -- Roger Williams finger me for my PGP public key Coelacanth Engineering Incconsulting & turnkey product development Middleborough, Massachusetts wireless * datacomm * DSP * ATE tel +1 508 947-5585 * fax +1 508 861-0278 * http://www.coelacanth.com/ -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames
On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, myriam wrote: > > I have 2 general questions related to that. > > I've heard of KDE and Klyx. What's the > relationship of Lyx with Gnome and how > choose between KDE and Gnome if they provide > the same functionality but you also want Lyx? > Well, I should try to answer to that. Actually, I think -should be corrected by someone if I'm wrong, I'm currently working withe the 0.12 version of Lyx - that there is no relashionship between Lyx and Gnome, neither KDE. KLyx is basically an effort to let Lyx conform to a "standard" interface which is defined by KDE. Maybe the developers added some functionalities too, but that was not the main purpose of Klyx.In my opinion. Gnome and KDE do not provide the same functionality. They resemble in the way they both try to be a user-friendly interface to Linux/Unix, but they are ways different. I think Gnome is more powerful and configurable, too, but that is another question... :-) So, if you just want Lyx, you can have it.And you don't ever need Gnome nor KDE! (I don't have any on my Sun station at work, and still I'm using Lyx.But I don't use Klyx, which needs KDE, or at least some of its components, to work.) For the multi-frame question, I thought there was a menu that allowed to switch between a bunch of opened documents on the right of the main menu of Lyx...Of course, you still work with only one frame, but at least you don't need to close and reopen every document every time you switch back and forth! > >I'm looking forward > >to the final release of 1.0 :) > > I have to download the latest version this weekend before > school starts again. Are you going to tell me the new > version is out Monday? > Maybe the developers will flame me for that, but I'm awaiting the "imminent" 1.0 version for at least two months now...Still "imminent" though...Much more than two month ago I suppose! ;-D (Well, just kidding, guys!) > Whew, I kept it down to 2 questions :) > You're welcome! Thierry Michalowski / CPE Lyon - 3rd year Student\\\' , / // Electronics and Computer Science\\\//_/ //' 17, rue d'Enghien\_-//' / //' 69002 LYON FRANCE \ /// //' phone: +33 4 78 37 03 11 / >> \\\` mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /,)-^>> _\` (/ \\ / \\\ "Unix is user-friendly... // //\\\ It is just selective about who its friends are"((` -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Re: Multiple Frames?
I have 2 general questions related to that. I've heard of KDE and Klyx. What's the relationship of Lyx with Gnome and how choose between KDE and Gnome if they provide the same functionality but you also want Lyx? >I'm looking forward >to the final release of 1.0 :) I have to download the latest version this weekend before school starts again. Are you going to tell me the new version is out Monday? Whew, I kept it down to 2 questions :) myriam Go Proverb: Answer the keima with a kosumi. -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
Multiple Frames?
Hi all, I've been using LyX for sometime now as a general utility word-processor, and love it. One feature I would really like, if it's possible, would be something similar to the multiple frames feature of emacs. Often, when working in one document, I need to look at another document, or cut'n'paste from one to another, or even to reference the on-line documents. It would be really nice to be able to open a second frame with the necessary document. I don't know how difficult this would be, this is just a request for a feature that I (and most emacs users, I assume) would find quite useful. Thanks for a great product, and keep up the great work! I'm looking forward to the final release of 1.0 :) -- Seeya, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Broadband Technology Division - Bay Networks (now a Nortel Company, Eh? :) If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! -- +++ the lyx project user mailing list +++ To unsubscribe from this list send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the **Subject** unsubscribe.
