Acknowledgment

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

LyX is acknowledged in this paper

  https://doi.org/10.1017/S1755020319000480

because it was much easier to effect the work that underlies the 
paper, let alone to compose it, having something like LyX allowing me 
quickly to construct formulae.

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Re: Update: LyX 2.3.2-2 for Windows

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 1/5/19 4:07 AM, Graeme wrote:


A bug in the previous release of LyX 2.3.2 for Windows prevented the
insertion of citations when using the Bibliography environment (rather
than bib(la)tex). An updated installer is available here:

http://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.2/

It is not necessary to install this update unless you use the
Bibliography environment.


Is there a problem with the LyX server?

Since Thursday evening (3/1/19) I've been unable to access the updated
installer. My browser (Firefox 64.0) always tells me that:
"The connection has timed out. The server at ftp.lyx.org is taking too
long to respond."


Firefox will emit that diagnostic when one is attempting to access an 
IP blocker by a LAN.  For example, at a bistro that I frequent, all 
sites outside of the US are blocked, including LyX.org.


(The diagnostic may thus be grossly misleading.)

That doesn't mean that your problem is necessarily caused in this 
manner, but it's a possibility.

Re: lyx changes the file access privileges

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/26/18 11:23 PM, paolo m.  wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


There is no practical problem for me here, and a practical problem
could be addressed by chmod.  But the situation is puzzling.


Files with access mode:  -rw    cannot be synced with the dropbox


Interesting to learn.  Although I don't use such a service, I think 
that the problem for those who do is sufficient that something should 
be done with LyX to address the issue.

Re: lyx changes the file access privileges

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/24/18 7:11 PM, Richard Kimberly Heck wrote:


On 11/24/18 6:33 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote: 


On 11/24/18 1:05 PM, paolo m.  wrote:


As i change a lyx file name (say test1.lyx ) with a new name  (say
test2.lyx) , by the command 'file -> save as', the new file created has
the usual access mode, but, when saved, its mode change so that is
inaccessible to groups and to the world.
That does not happen when test1.lyx is opened by a text editor, e.g.
kate, then saved with a new name (say test3.lyx)

Here is the result:
% ll *lyx
pol  pol  test3.lyx 1745 21:54 -rw-rw-r--
pol  pol  test2.lyx 1746 21:53 -rw---
pol  pol  test1.lyx 1745 21:52 -rw-rw-r--

Any ideas?


Curious, I checked my own .lyx files, and found that most were 600,
many were 644, and some were 664.  There was no clear relationship
between dates and permissions, and at least two files with the same
date had different permissions.

I blame global warming.


I do not believe LyX sets file permissions itself. The write routine
simply uses basic_ofstream, which just creates the file using the
current umask, or whatever other default permissions are in place.


Well, all of my LyX files were created with LyX or with cp, and I've 
not run chmod on them.  I've never played with my configuration to 
change the default permissions.  And, as I said, there was no clear 
relationship between dates and permissions, which would be expected if 
defaults changed with updates to my OS.


I could be very mistaken, but I'm inclined to think both that LyX has 
at times selected permissions, and that it has selected differently 
for “Save As…” from what it has selected for “Save”.


There is no practical problem for me here, and a practical problem 
could be addressed by chmod.  But the situation is puzzling.

Re: lyx changes the file access privileges

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/24/18 1:05 PM, paolo m.  wrote:


As i change a lyx file name (say test1.lyx ) with a new name  (say
test2.lyx) , by the command 'file -> save as', the new file created has
the usual access mode, but, when saved, its mode change so that is
inaccessible to groups and to the world.
That does not happen when test1.lyx is opened by a text editor, e.g.
kate, then saved with a new name (say test3.lyx)

Here is the result:
% ll *lyx
pol  pol  test3.lyx 1745 21:54 -rw-rw-r--
pol  pol  test2.lyx 1746 21:53 -rw---
pol  pol  test1.lyx 1745 21:52 -rw-rw-r--

Any ideas?


Curious, I checked my own .lyx files, and found that most were 600, 
many were 644, and some were 664.  There was no clear relationship 
between dates and permissions, and at least two files with the same 
date had different permissions.


I blame global warming.

Re: Please help: how do I insert a list of my publications in an otherwise ready thesis?

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/16/18 5:36 PM, Polina Proutskova wrote:


I have written my PhD thesis in LyX and have to do my minor 
corrections. I’ve been asked to put a list of my publications in the 
thesis. What is the proper way to do it?


My suggestion is rather brutal.  That is to create a separate document 
for the own-publications list, process it with command-line 
applications (latex and biblatex) to get a final .tex file, and then 
drop its essential content into the dissertation file.


I'm sorry that I don't have a happier solution.

Re: PDF graphics is blurred in LyX when scaled

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

This d_mn'd thread already had both top posting...

On 11/15/18 5:04 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:



whenever I see unnecessary full quotes like this I know why
top posting is the right thing to do :-)-O


el

On 15/11/2018 06:32, Baris Erkus wrote:



On 14-Nov-18 11:36 PM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 12.11.2018 um 18:53 schrieb Baris Erkus :

On 11/12/2018 4:36 PM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 12.11.2018 um 14:03 schrieb Stephen Buonopane :

On Nov 12, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Baris Erkus  wrote:

On 12-Nov-18 3:38 PM, Kornel Benko wrote:

Am Montag, 12. November 2018 13:21:58 CET schrieb Daniel :

On 11/11/2018 19:14, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 11/10/18 9:45 PM, Baris Erkus wrote:

Hello,

PDF graphics appears to be blurred in LyX when scaled from Graphics
Options --> LaTeX and LyX options --> Show in LyX --> Scale on Screen.

I am not sure if this is a feature to reduce CPU rendering workload or
smtg, but it would be really nice to have a clear view of the PDF
while working on the document rather than looking at it using a PDF
viewer.

See MWE and the view from LyX below.

Baris



The image in your PDF file is a bitmap (PNG), so I don't hold out much
hope for being able to zoom it without loss of fidelity.

Why do you think the graphic in the PDF is a bitmap? I have zoomed in on
it and never got any pixels to see. At least it must be an extremely
high resolution bitmap then.

Daniel


Because PNG format is bitmap?
PNG image data, 652 x 668, 8-bit/color RGB, non-interlaced

Kornel


The external graphics is in PDF, which is attached to the original
e-mail; it was generated in Tikz, so it is a vector graphics. No
question about it.  When inserted into LyX, maybe LyX creates a
temporary bitmap or PNG file to show to the user, I am not sure.

It should not be a big thing to show a higher resolution graphics or to
let the user decide for possible performance issues. One day I will be
doing all these small modification by myself, but when that I do not
know... :-)

Baris

Yes LyX creates a PNG file for the on-screen preview within LyX (It also does 
this for the math preview)
If you dig into the LyX temp directory you will find all of the PNG files.

I recall that an older version of LyX (on Mac) did not use PNG for on-screen 
previews, in which case it may be possible to revert to the older behavior even 
in 2.3.X?

There are fundamental differences between the handling of SVG and PDF files in 
LyX.

LyX is using Qt plugins to render the images on screen.

For PDF files one has to convert them to temporary bitmap files because there 
is no plugin to render them directly. (Perhaps this is not true anymore.) For 
SVG files there is a plugin. But this one is limited in functionality. There 
was a decision to not use it for on-screen display because of the complaints 
regarding missing details.

The problem with the temporary images is the fixed resolution of the generated 
images. The used cache is not invalidated in case of higher preview zoom 
levels. Furthermore you can have different resolutions at runtime too. In case 
of a machine with multiple monitors with different physical resolutions you get 
different values for moving the LyX window around.

Stephan

This makes sense. Do you think it is reasonable that I put this as a
wish to the tracker?

I think it’s already there… but couldn’t find it ATM.

Stephan


I opened a ticket as a request...

https://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/11379


...and bottom posting.

Terrorism has won.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/7/18 9:10 AM, Christopher Menzel wrote:


Well aware — I started writing in (a much earlier version of) LaTeX in Emacs at 
Stanford in the mid-1980s, while Knuth was still actively developing the TeX 
code. :-) The usual process back then was .tex → .dvi → .ps via the latex and 
dvips binaries. And when PDF came on the scene, before pdflatex there was a 
further step of .ps → .pdf via ps2pdf. Ah, memories! :-)


I too remember those long chains.

In the mid-'80s, I was using Vi and troff.  I first dealt with LaTex 
in the early-'90s, but for the most part I stayed with troff because I 
had a very thorough familiarity with it; I have never developed the 
comparable fluency in LaTeX.  However, WYSIWx editors where available 
for LaTeX before one was developed for troff, and many publishers 
support LaTeX while few if any support troff.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/5/18 4:55 PM, Christopher Menzel wrote:


I might well just be naive but I'm not getting this line of criticism 
at all. LyX has always been a frontend to LaTeX, right? That's it's 
/raison d'etre./ It's still the only game in town to that end, and 
it's fabulous at it. LaTeX creates PDFs. So you use LyX to create 
PDFs. Seems to me if you're using LyX with the intention of getting an 
ePub or mobi doc, you're expecting it to do something it wasn't — by 
its nature — designed for. You want ePub or mobi, use something else.


An application of the sort that Mr Litt wants would be a Very Good 
Thing.  But it would be far better to create such an application by 
starting fresh than by utterly recoding LyX.  And Mr Litt's claim that 
LyX is becoming ever less relevant is badly constructed and simply false.


As I suggested elsewhere, it's somewhat as if someone argued that LyX 
should become a first-person shooter game.


BTW, LaTeX predates .PDFs; and I primarily use LyX to create .tex 
files, for publishers who then use those files to create files for 
publication, perhaps .PDFs, but not with LyX.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/5/18 12:31 AM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
El lun., 5 nov. 2018 a las 0:53, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best 
Daniel of the bunch) (<mailto:daniel@oeconomist.com>>) escribió:


On 11/4/18 5:08 AM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:
 >
 > Sorry for jumping into the discussion, but I think some people
here
 > are missing the real point of the problem
 >
 >> Is that mistake a matter of 'learning'?
 >
 > Yes, unequivocally.
 >
 > Not necessarily. There are several forms of mild dyslexia in
which the
 > person swaps letters or even "fingers" (typing an "o" instead
of an
 > "a," for example).

Dyslexia is a _learning_ disability.  Further, there is a body of
research about how to _learn_ to overcome it.  Please have coherent
foundation before proceeding in the discussion.

OK, if don't like that part of the discussion, what about the second 
part of what I've said? Think of a chemists writing about one of those 
substances with kilometric names: a substitution table that changes a 
few, carefully chosen characters into the full name could be useful. 
If then someone wants to use that feature to also correct typos, it's 
their choice. And yes, that can be done with a search & replace, but a 
substitution table is something you do only once.


I noted in my very first reply to the fellow who proposed the feature 
that he should recognize that it weren't peculiarly limited to 
correcting misspellings.


The proposed feature  would involve giving-over resources to 
development and then resources of each user's computer to support the 
additional code.  The marginal benefit is that a small share of users 
(your hypothetical chemists &alii) neither have to use the 
find-and-replace feature already available, nor write and use a 
_simple_ file filter.


And please, calm down, nobody is mad at you, there is no need for you 
to be mad at anyone else that disagree with you.


The remarks to which I objected in my previous message are not made 
any less foolish by my being in one mood or another.  So, please, 
don't fall back on insults that cannot be proved or disproved.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/4/18 4:55 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Le 04/11/2018 à 14:26, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the
bunch) a écrit :
I think we have to calm down here. 


I doubt that you should inject your guesses about the moods of others.


As you prefer.


It is about a proposed feature. FWIW, I
do some of these typos, but I am not sure that I'd like a program to
second guess me.


The feature as proposed would not second-guess anyone, as the idea was 
for the user to assemble a list of substitutions.  And one of my points 
is that the typical user, in the act of assembling such a list, would by 
learning render it redundant.


So you advocate to implement the feature so that people learn to not
need it?


No.  I did not and do not advocate implementing the feature.  But my 
first allegiance is to the truth; so, when you mischaracterized it as 
second-guessing, I explained otherwise.  If you're not prepared for 
honest discourse, then please refrain from reading or replying to my 
messages.


A feature that actually second-guessed users would be intolerable for 
most or all of the Linux/BSD group, though it might be embraced by a 
share of Windows and Mac folk.


I think you are injecting guesses here about what people think according
to the OS they choose/have to use.


It's not merely a _guess_.  The interfaces of Windows and of MacOS, 
and of the most popular applications run under those operating systems 
involve a lot of second-guessing of the users.  I certainly did not 
claim that all Windows or Mac users like being second-guessed; but 
there'd be little or no second-guessing in those environments if there 
weren't a substantial share of users who like being second-guessed.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/4/18 3:57 PM, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:


Le 04/11/2018 à 13:52, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the
bunch) a écrit :


Not necessarily. There are several forms of mild dyslexia in which the 
person swaps letters or even "fingers" (typing an "o" instead of an 
"a," for example). 


Dyslexia is a _learning_ disability.  Further, there is a body of
research about how to _learn_ to overcome it.  Please have coherent 
foundation before proceeding in the discussion.


I think we have to calm down here. 


I doubt that you should inject your guesses about the moods of others.


The discussion is not about how people should live there life.


No one proposed that it were.  Rather, from the outset, it has been 
about whether users of LyX should all have a word-processor that will 
relieve some of its users of the costs of learning not to misspell 
some words _consistently_. (The development of such a facility would 
entail costs, and every user would subsequently have that much more 
code stored on his or her device.)


The person who proposed the feature did not properly recognize the 
nature of the need that he were seeking to have met, and so a debate 
has ensued over whether some skills were learned.



It is about a proposed feature. FWIW, I
do some of these typos, but I am not sure that I'd like a program to
second guess me.


The feature as proposed would not second-guess anyone, as the idea was 
for the user to assemble a list of substitutions.  And one of my 
points is that the typical user, in the act of assembling such a list, 
would by learning render it redundant.


A feature that actually second-guessed users would be intolerable for 
most or all of the Linux/BSD group, though it might be embraced by a 
share of Windows and Mac folk.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/4/18 5:08 AM, Ricardo Berlasso wrote:


Sorry for jumping into the discussion, but I think some people here 
are missing the real point of the problem



Is that mistake a matter of 'learning'?


Yes, unequivocally.

Not necessarily. There are several forms of mild dyslexia in which the 
person swaps letters or even "fingers" (typing an "o" instead of an 
"a," for example). 


Dyslexia is a _learning_ disability.  Further, there is a body of
research about how to _learn_ to overcome it.  Please have coherent 
foundation before proceeding in the discussion.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/4/18 1:18 AM, Pol wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:

Yes, a set of specific words to be fixed by rearranging letters.


No.  The computer would not _rearrange_ letters.  It would effect a 
string subsitution, oblivious to whether any of the letters in the 
replacement string appeared in the original string.



E.g.  writing quickly it often happens to write 'informazioen' rather than
' informazione'.
Sometimes that word appears correctly on the screen, sometimes it is
distorted like that, as an anagram of the right word.


It doesn't just happen.  The screen displays what you entered.

Is that mistake a matter of 'learning'? 


Yes, unequivocally.


You mean that i should gain a
better motor control of my fingers' movements? 


Typing is a learned skill, involving multiple processes.  I don't know 
(or much care) which process you've not properly learned.



My guess is that my mind form the mispelled word, while quickly
writing, because  'informazioen' and ' informazione' are the same, in
my mind.


In that case, you need to learn otherwise.


There would be much to say about the meaning of 'learning', but this is
not the right place to discuss about that. I do not know which aspects
of learning would be involved here, but i am puzzled about how to
improve my writing by learning.


If it's truly a matter of your not understanding the difference 
between “informazioen” and “informazione”, then you need to look into 
how better to learn orthography.



Anyway, that kind of mispelling happens often. Should i spend years to
learn, hoping ti improve my typewriting ability?


If necessary.  But most adults wouldn't need years.


Rather, it would be very convenient to see that kind of mistakes
instantly corrected.


I am again very much reminded of Cyril Kornbluth's story.


Don't you agree?


Obviously I don't agree.  You shouldn't even have asked whether I agree.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/4/18 1:44 AM, Michael Berger wrote:


Do you think this list is the right place for your continuing dispute?


He's advocating a change to LyX.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/3/18 4:16 PM, Steve Litt wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 11/2/18 9:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:
> 
> Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year.   

I don't think that peer-reviewed academic publication is going to 
vanish anytime soon; and, over about the last decade, 


Exactly! A decade ago LyX was about a lot more than peer-reviewed
academic publications, and 15 years ago it was safe to assume that
paper and PDF were enough output formats. More and more, LyX is
relegated to peer-reviewed academic publication.


There's no “Exactly!” here.  LyX becomes increasingly useful in its 
intended application.  The fact that it doesn't become some other 
application as applications of that other class become more popular 
doesn't change that.


You might as well demand that LyX evolve into a first-person shooter 
game.  Those are really popular, y'know.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/3/18 5:46 AM, paolo m. wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


You've not answered my actual question.  A feature of the sort that
you propose is not likely to be popular; the vast majority of people
would, in constructing the underlying look-up table, find themselves
learning not to make the mistakes in the first place.


Sorry for my delay, i am not a 'heavy'  news readers user.
I do not know whether that feature would be popular, but it would be
useful for a number of lyx users.
I am not able to 'learn' how not to make typos. Do you?


I learn not to make _specific_ typographical errors, and the facility 
that you request would only deal with sets of specific errors.


Is is not a matter of learning, 


Of course it is.


it is our mind functioning that swaps letter
positions or doubles next letters while quickly writing text lines


Typing isn't an inborn skill; it is something that one learns. 
Learning to type a word and learning not to mistype it are the same 
thing.



Restoring the correct letters order for each word quickly would be a
great favour to a number of long paper writers.


In the case of a long paper, as opposed to a set of papers, the 
facility that you request doesn't offer much that global 
find-and-replace doesn't already do.  In either case, you are talking 
about working from an assembled list of corrections. (Recall that your 
original request involved a list assembled by the user of corrections 
to make.)

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/2/18 9:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


Perhaps this is why LyX becomes less relevant every year. 


I don't think that peer-reviewed academic publication is going to
vanish anytime soon; and, over about the last decade, I've observed
journals continuing to transition from accepting manuscripts in the
form of Word .DOCs and the like to insisting upon LaTeX files.  LyX is
the best WYSIWY_ editor that I've found for creating such files.  That
has made it of _increasing_ relevance, though its relevance may be
alien to your particular purposes.

A WYSIWY_ editor may some day be published that is of more general
purpose and still able to generate decent LaTeX.  But, until that
time, or until academic publishers begin moving away from LaTeX, LyX
will hold its relevance very nicely.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/1/18 7:29 PM, David L. Johnson wrote:



>> At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.
>> I've taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how
>> much I would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the
>> Android interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two
>> projects.  I assume that the demands of programming for iOS are
>> similar.  


That is a disappointment.  Given Android's start as an offshoot of
linux, you would think it would be more straightforward. 


Yup.  But the GUI API is distinct.  It's Java, but it's 
read-another-goddamn'd-book Java.



This would
also enable (I think) LyX to run on netbooks, since AFAIK they are
Android machines 


While I wouldn't be surprised to learn that there were some netbooks 
to which only Android had been ported, I'm replying to you on a 
netbook that originally came with Windows 7 and on which I installed 
Linux. Somewhere I have a flash drive from which I can boot Android on 
this box.



--- and since they have real keyboards they would make
a usable platform. 


Physical keyboards that make Bluetooth connections with Android 
devices have been available for a while.  I like that which I got from 
Logitech.


I do believe TeX is available in some form. 


VerbTeX Pro is an Android LaTeX editor, and can use an online server 
to generate a .PDF.  Other tools of potential interest are QuickTeX 
and Detexify.

Re: LyX on iPad

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 11/1/18 12:41 PM, Anders Host-Madsen wrote:


Perhaps beating a dead horse, but I really wish there would be a LyX 
for iPad. 


I don't think that anyone is opposed to the idea, but it requires 
developers willing and _able_ to port to the iPad.


I think that your hope would be in finding some programmers already 
familiar with iOS, and somehow getting them excited about LyX.


At one point, I wanted to create a couple of apps for Android.  I've 
taught Java programming for a university; but, when I saw how much I 
would have to invest in learning the peculiarities of the Android 
interface, I lost nearly all of my interest in the two projects.  I 
assume that the demands of programming for iOS are similar.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/23/2018 05:41 AM, Pol wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 10/22/2018 04:16 AM, Pol wrote:


A possible improvement of the spellchecker facility: Common, 
typical mispellings made by authors could be istantaneously 
autocorrected by lyx, by checking a suitable list  maintained 
by authors themseves.


But if I know that I never intend to type “satistics” then why would I
still do it so often that the ordinary find-and-replace function
weren't sufficient to fix the occasional lapse?


Only for practicl reasons. It is easier to replace wrong words
automatically.
There are several words that i frequntly type  wronglyi every few lines,


You've not answered my actual question.  A feature of the sort that 
you propose is not likely to be popular; the vast majority of people 
would, in constructing the underlying look-up table, find themselves 
learning not to make the mistakes in the first place.

Re: weird language management

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/23/2018 06:04 AM, Pol wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 10/22/2018 03:38 AM, Pol wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 10/21/2018 11:48 AM, Paolo M wrote:


I have noticed that spellchecker does not work, if an alternative
language has been given.
Is that a bug?


Do you have a vocabulary loaded for the alternative language?


Not to my knowledge.


So, just how were you imagining that the spellchecker would do its
checking, then?


By 'alternative language' i understood as second vocabulary that the
spellchecker use, if no entries in the default vocabulary matches the
current word. I see no reason for the spellchecker does not check any
words, most of them belonging to the default language,


Nope.  Perhaps someone might construct a wordprocessor for the 
peculiar needs of translators, which would provide functionality of 
the sort that you imagine.  But LyX is not that wordprocessor.  It 
doesn't support a hierarchic handling of languages.  A useful handling 
of spellchecking across two or more languages would require 
complications of the interface.



Moreover, i have never explicitly loaded any vocabulary. I suppose that
has been done automatically, after the language name has been
entered. Shouldn't be the same, when entering the name of the
alternative language?


Lyx is not networking software.

Re: weird language management

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/22/2018 03:38 AM, Pol wrote:


Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


On 10/21/2018 11:48 AM, Paolo M wrote:


I have noticed that spellchecker does not work, if an alternative
language has been given.
Is that a bug?


Do you have a vocabulary loaded for the alternative language?


Not to my knowledge. 


So, just how were you imagining that the spellchecker would do its
checking, then?


How to check?


There are many spellcheckers supported by LyX and multiple operating
systems to which LyX has been ported, and you haven't told us which
you use.  I urge you to determine which spellchecker you've installed,
by selecting

  Tools > Preferences > Language Settings > Spellchecker

Then use a search engine to find the documentation for that
spellchecker, and then read its documentation to learn how to install
the vocabulary for whatever languages are relevant to your purposes.

Re: auto fixing mispelled words

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/22/2018 04:16 AM, Pol wrote:


A possible improvement of the spellchecker facility: Common, typical
mispellings made by authors could be istantaneously autocorrected by
lyx, by checking a suitable list  maintained by authors themseves.


If there is to be a list of substring substitutions automatically to 
be made, then there is no particular reason to confine it to 
misspellings.  If I somehow know that I am always going to intend to 
have typed “watermelon” when I type “giraffe”, or “\sim” when I type 
“\defeq”, then I will want these substitutions made as well.


But if I know that I never intend to type “satistics” then why would I 
still do it so often that the ordinary find-and-replace function 
weren't sufficient to fix the occasional lapse?


And do I really want a wordprocessor as if cynically imagined by Cyril 
M. Kornbluth


  https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51233/51233-h/51233-h.htm

Re: weird language management

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/21/2018 11:48 AM, Paolo M wrote:


I have noticed that spellchecker does not work, if an alternative 
language has been given.

Is that a bug?


Do you have a vocabulary loaded for the alternative language?

Re: Replace list x by list y

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/11/2018 10:32 PM, Steve Litt wrote:


On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 13:22:19 +0200 Daniel  wrote:


Hi,

Is there a way to replace let's say all enumerate lists by itemize
lists?


Why in the WORLD would you want to do that? Were you mistaken that some
lists needed numbers? Or do you just like the look of itemize better?


There are various possible reasons, including having a editor insist 
on the change.  Different academic journals and even different 
reviewers working for the same journal may make different demands, 
some of them rather petty. (I've been told to number previous 
unnumbered sections, subsections, &c; to replace an expression 
containing “⇐” with an equivalent expression containing “⇒”; and that 
I were a big baby if I used the plural form “axiomata” rather than 
“axioms”.) And an academic writer generally does not know at the 
outset which journal (if any) is going to accept his or her work.



If the latter, tweak the appearance of the of enumerate to look how you
want.


That may not work if the publisher is going to process a .tex file 
according to the publisher's own practices.


Jürgen Spitzmüller offered a good answer:


* Make a copy of your LyX file
* Open it in a text editor
* Find/replace

 \begin_layout Enumerate

to

\begin_layout Itemize


but it would be nice if the LyX editor itself had some way of 
effecting such changes.

Re: 2.3.1-1 on Mojave debugging

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/10/2018 04:24 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:


Hi,

I am trying to debug a lyxserver issue but when running

lyx -dbg lyxserver

I get

Setting debug level to lyxserver
Debugging `lyxserver' (External control interface)
This application failed to start because it could not find or load
the Qt platform plugin "cocoa" in "".

Reinstalling the application may fix this problem.
Abort trap: 6

Same effect if I use 'any' or other debug levels.

The lib is present:

/Applications/LyX.app//Contents/PlugIns/platforms/libqcocoa.dylib

Is this reproducible?


The problem does not occur on my system. (Fedora Core 27, 64-bit).

Best of luck.

Re: Bibliographic Slop-Over

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/07/2018 04:00 AM, José Abílio Matos wrote:


On Sunday, 7 October 2018 02.48.38 WEST Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best
Daniel of the bunch) wrote:


Odd.  We are each running distributions of Linux (Fedora in my case),
so the apps should be virtually identical.


What version of Fedora are you using?

I am running Fedora 29 (in development) and I do not have any problem with the
bad_bib.lyx. I send the resulting pdf attached.

The difference between Fedora 27 or 28 and Fedora 29 is that the texlive
included is newer.


I'll worry about this less then, as it probably won't happen when the
publisher processes my .tex and .bib files.


You are right here. Or if they have problems they will fix them.


I opened the .PDF that you attached, and the 
“Wahrscheinlichkeits-Rechnung” in the title of the work by von Kries 
extends into to marginal area.


(Currently, I'm using Fedora Core 27; I simply haven't set aside the 
time to update to the latest stable core.)

Re: Bibliographic Slop-Over

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

On 10/06/2018 05:02 AM, John Kane wrote:


On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 06:27, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel 
of the bunch) wrote:



I've problems with bibliographical entries extending into the
marginal
area. With the default article layout, a URL is doing this.  With a
Springer layout, a title is doing this.

Attached are small working examples (albeit not literally minimal).

Now, I assume that I could insert a bit of mark-up into the .bib file
as a work-around, but it seems highly undesirable that I should have
distinct .bib files for different layouts.

Thanks for whatever help might be offered.


I don't have the Springer template set up but I am not seeing the 
problem with bad_bib.lyx file. the URL is breaking perfectly.


LyX 2.3.1  Ubuntu 18.04


Odd.  We are each running distributions of Linux (Fedora in my case), 
so the apps should be virtually identical.


I'll worry about this less then, as it probably won't happen when the 
publisher processes my .tex and .bib files.


Thank you for your effort!

Bibliographic Slop-Over

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan (the best Daniel of the bunch)]

I've problems with bibliographical entries extending into the marginal 
area. With the default article layout, a URL is doing this.  With a 
Springer layout, a title is doing this.


Attached are small working examples (albeit not literally minimal).

Now, I assume that I could insert a bit of mark-up into the .bib file 
as a work-around, but it seems highly undesirable that I should have 
distinct .bib files for different layouts.


Thanks for whatever help might be offered.
@article{Ellis1842,
	author = {Ellis, Robert Leslie},
	title = {On the Foundations of the Theory of Probability},
	journaltitle = {Transactions of the Cambridge Philosophical Society},
	volume = {8},
	part = {1},
	pages = {1-6},
	date = {1843},
	url = {https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/ia/transactionsofca08camb},
	note = {Delivered before the Cambridge Philosophical Society on 1842-02-14.}
}


@book{Kries1886,
	title = {Die Principien der Wahrscheinlichkeits-Rechnung, eine logische Untersuchung},
	author = {Kries, Johannes Adolf von},
	date = {1886},
	publisher = {Akademische Verlagsbuchhandlung von J.C.B. Mohr},
	location = {Freiburg}
}


bad_bib.lyx
Description: application/lyx


bad_bib_springer.lyx
Description: application/lyx

Re: How do I bring the QUANTA journal template into LyX?

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Well, the demands of installing LSW should not be counted against 
installing text2bib because, again, perl was long ago ported to Windows.


As to that formatting issue, I was tempted to note that vi or emacs 
could get the elements into the format needed by tex2bib.  But then I 
realized that someone who could accomplish that much wouldn't need 
tex2bib in the first place. :-/


So, yeah, scr_w it.

On 08/01/2018 12:22 PM, Cris Fuhrman wrote:
On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:52 AM Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan 
mailto:daniel@oeconomist.com>> wrote:


Versions of perl have long been available for Windows.


There is also Linux Subsystem for Windows (LSW), which I recently 
tried. One still must update the perl environment to get the tex2bib 
script to run, as the latest perl under Ubuntu doesn't have 
Perl4::CoreLibs by default, which is required in tex2bib.


However, before anyone tries this lengthy install process of perl 
under windows, it's important to realize that tex2bib is very limited 
if your \bibitem elements don't follow certain conventions (from the 
perl comments):


# Assumes that bibitems are formatted as follows:
#  -- {key}author(s), (date) at the beginning
#  -- titles of books or names of journals: {\em title}
#  -- article titles:after date, `` '' quotes optional
#  -- volume, pages:{\it vol}, nnn-nnn.
#  -- publisher/address:    address:publisher 

In the case of the manuscript.tex from Quanta, because the data aren't 
formatted that way, it catches only a few of the fields in the 
conversion. IMO it's not a useful tool.


Cheers,

C. Fuhrman

Re: How do I bring the QUANTA journal template into LyX?

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 07/30/2018 10:38 AM, Cris Fuhrman wrote:




Converting the \bibitem in the template is not 
trivial (there is tex2bib, but it's perl and needs Linux or a Mac 
probably). 



Versions of perl have long been available for Windows.

  https://learn.perl.org/installing/windows.html

There _might_ be a gotcha with difference in textfile format — 
specifically with Windows terminating lines with  “\x0D\x0A” whereas 
*nix just uses  ‘\x0A’ — but there are also utilities for converting 
from one format to the other, if you don't otherwise know how.


  http://dos2unix.sourceforge.net/

Re: [ANNOUNCE] LyXWinInstaller for 2.3.0

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 07/09/2018 01:59 PM, Uwe Stöhr wrote:


Dear LyX users,

despite unannounced until today there is an Windows installer 
available for LyX 2.3.0 since March:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/lyxwininstaller/files/LyXWinInstaller/
and
http://ftp.lyx.de/LyXWinInstaller/LyX2.3.0/



Although it has been years since I used LyX on that operating system, 
I truly appreciate your efforts.

Re: \hat{x}_i

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 06/08/2018 03:58 PM, Hal Kierstead wrote:



On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:28 PM, David L. Johnson  wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:49:15 -0400
Neal Becker  wrote:


How do I enter (without using raw TeX)
\hat{x}_i?

I seem to always end up with \hat{x_i}, which isn't the same (and
doesn't look correct)


You have to be just a little careful.  You can either enter the x, then
highlight it and add in the \hat from the menu, then get out of that
box and enter the _i, or you can enter the x_i, highlight the x only,
and choose the \hat from the menu.  Since I don't always remember
quickly all of the commands for such decorations, it's easier for me to
do this than to use the keystrokes.

--

David L. Johnson
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University


In math type \hat[return key]. You will get a box. Type x. Get out of the box. 
Type _i.

Hal


A _pure_ LyX method is to select the hat box from the frame 
decorations menu, enter the ‘x’, leave the hat box, then select 
subscripts, and enter the ‘i’


But, really, I think that a mix of LaTeX and gooey LyX is a better way 
to go.  I'd probably use the method of Hal Kierstead.  Professor 
Johnson's second method is fine too.

Re: Squish Monstrous Formula

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 05/28/2018 10:03 AM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 05/27/2018 08:09 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:

On 05/25/2018 05:05 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:

On 05/25/2018 07:02 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


I've a very large block-displayed formula in one of my articles. 
Its presence is simply to exhibit the true complexity of an 
ostensible axiom in the system of another researcher.


The problem is that the formula is so large that it would be good 
to reduce the character sizes a bit, just to make it fit into a 
smaller space on the page.  Few if any readers will want to make a 
careful examination of the formula.


What (if such exists) is a straightforward way for me to reduce 
the character sizes in one and only one formula?


(I'm perfectly happy with red boxes. ;-) )


You can load the graphicx package and use the \scalebox command. 
Note that graphicx might already be loaded if you are incorporating 
graphics. If not, you can load it explicitly in the preamble. If 
you want the formula in display mode, you may have to use inline 
math and center the paragraph manually (as I did in the attached 
example). There might be a way to convince it to work with display 
math formulas, but I don't know how.


Paul


Thanks for that much!

I am going to want to find a way to make this work for display 
formulae, as the formula in question needs to be numbered. (That's 
actually why I want it to take a bit less space.)


I can just dump the problem in the lap of whoever does the final 
marking-up for the journal, but I'd rather have a solution in place.


Turns out that's surprisingly easy to do (modified example attached). 
Start a display formula as usual, and with the cursor in the (empty) 
formula do ctrl-M (or, I suppose, cmd-M on a Mac) to go into text mode 
inside the formula. Alternatively, you can type "\text{"; LyX will 
insert the closing brace automatically and put you in a text inset. In 
the nested inset, type or paste the scalebox stuff. Exit out one level 
(back to math mode) and insert the label.


Paul


Perfect!  Thank you!

What I did was cut-and-paste from the expression into a plaintext 
editor, nest the code between “\scalebox{0.8}{$” and “$}”, and then 
paste that back into the box.


It should be trivial — just a matter of replacing the scale factor — 
for the person doing the final markup to size the image to the needs 
of the journal.

Re: Squish Monstrous Formula

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 05/25/2018 05:05 PM, Paul A. Rubin wrote:


On 05/25/2018 07:02 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


I've a very large block-displayed formula in one of my articles.  
Its presence is simply to exhibit the true complexity of an 
ostensible axiom in the system of another researcher.


The problem is that the formula is so large that it would be good to 
reduce the character sizes a bit, just to make it fit into a smaller 
space on the page.  Few if any readers will want to make a careful 
examination of the formula.


What (if such exists) is a straightforward way for me to reduce the 
character sizes in one and only one formula?


(I'm perfectly happy with red boxes. ;-) )


You can load the graphicx package and use the \scalebox command. Note 
that graphicx might already be loaded if you are incorporating 
graphics. If not, you can load it explicitly in the preamble. If you 
want the formula in display mode, you may have to use inline math and 
center the paragraph manually (as I did in the attached example). 
There might be a way to convince it to work with display math 
formulas, but I don't know how.


Paul


Thanks for that much!

I am going to want to find a way to make this work for display 
formulae, as the formula in question needs to be numbered. (That's 
actually why I want it to take a bit less space.)


I can just dump the problem in the lap of whoever does the final 
marking-up for the journal, but I'd rather have a solution in place.

Squish Monstrous Formula

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

I've a very large block-displayed formula in one of my articles.  Its 
presence is simply to exhibit the true complexity of an ostensible 
axiom in the system of another researcher.


The problem is that the formula is so large that it would be good to 
reduce the character sizes a bit, just to make it fit into a smaller 
space on the page.  Few if any readers will want to make a careful 
examination of the formula.


What (if such exists) is a straightforward way for me to reduce the 
character sizes in one and only one formula?


(I'm perfectly happy with red boxes. ;-) )

Re: Cited Article Title in Russian

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 05/20/2018 02:49 AM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


Using biblatex, I want to cite an article the title of which is in 
Russian (as is its content).  What do I need to do with my .bib file, 
with my preamble, and otherwise with LyX to effect this?


Modifying the slightly out-of-date instructions here

  https://wiki.lyx.org/Tips/Cyrillic

I made no changes to the .bib file, added

  \usepackage[T2A]{fontenc}

to the preamble, and selected

  Settings > Languages > Encoding > Other > Unicode (utf8)

and that did the job.  Things ran a bit slow, but that's okay.

Cited Article Title in Russian

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Using biblatex, I want to cite an article the title of which is in 
Russian (as is its content).  What do I need to do with my .bib file, 
with my preamble, and otherwise with LyX to effect this?

Re: The tortured release of 2.3.0 Windows binaries

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

I use a Lamy Safari with a European EF nib; it works just fine.  If I 
need a finer line, then I use a Pilot Petit 1 with a Japanese EF nib.


Seriously, though, folks.  I suggest that OT advocacies of OSs or of 
writing instruments or of sexual practices not provoke mass responses. 
 Look at what else has been posted that day; if no one tells the 
advocate that he is OT, then do so, and just let it go.


On 05/16/2018 04:30 AM, John Kane wrote:


Well, for elegant, scientific writing one can not beat this OS
https://www.gouletpens.com/namiki/c/483

On 16 May 2018 at 00:42, Baris Erkus > wrote:


On 15-May-18 10:15 PM, Jim Rockford wrote:


People are still taunting about this like schoolyard infants? 
Well, here's a few reasons for you that apply to my case, Johnny

boy:

(1)  I work in a scientific field and a specific laboratory that
uses data analysis software for which there are only Windows
versions.  I used Linux exclusively prior to joining this lab. 
I'd rather not quit this job because of a Linux snobbery affliction.

(2)  Gaming.  I have a Windows machine at home because I like to
play modern video games.  Good luck trying to get them to run on
WINE, which is a cheat anyway if you're a Linux purist.
(3)  There's nothing wrong with having a dual boot Windows/Linux
system for the sake of convenience.  I'm not going to waste time
booting into Linux just to write scientific documents if I'm
already in Windows.

Jim

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 11:03 PM, John White wrote:

Why are people still using Windows?  My firm gets along
without Gates just fine.

John White


So are we now getting into a good-old "which OS is better"
discussion

Re: Search and Focus in LyX

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 04/01/2018 04:29 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:


On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:

It's rather difficult to believe that you've no experience with 
something such as MS Word or OpenOffice or gedit, even if you prefer 
to use emacs and joe for everything not done in LyX. (I do a large 
share of my editting with vim; but I have multiple editors 
installed, each having its peculiar virtues.)  But, as I said, the 
problem was described in general form.


Daniel,

   I've never used Word and use LibreOffice only when I need to read 
or send
a processed word document to a client or regulator. Most of what I 
write is
sent as a PDF attachment to an e-mail message. I also use grep, sed, 
and awk

for manipulating text files.

   Then again, I've used only linux to run my business, and for 
personal use,

for the past 21 years.


Many different GUI editors are available for Unix-like operating 
systems. (I mentioned gedit.) Presumably you were using some OS other 
than Linux 22 years ago, whether for your business or for some other 
purpose.  If you're using LibreOffice for anything then emacs and joe 
are not the only editors that you use.


But, even if the problem were somehow conceptually utterly foreign to 
you, you shouldn't have conflated the any two of the three cases that 
I explicitly distinguished each from the other.

Re: Search and Focus in LyX

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 04/01/2018 03:58 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:


On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


That example _shouldn't_ have helped. The problem was already _clearly_
described in general form, and experience with other editors, which 
indeed restore focus to the primary text pane, should have made the 
process familiar.


   Ah, well. My 'other' editors are emacs and joe (for system work) and
everything is done in the 'primary text pane.' I suppose that those 
who use

GUI editors have different experiences so we have different perspectives.


It's rather difficult to believe that you've no experience with 
something such as MS Word or OpenOffice or gedit, even if you prefer 
to use emacs and joe for everything not done in LyX. (I do a large 
share of my editting with vim; but I have multiple editors installed, 
each having its peculiar virtues.)  But, as I said, the problem was 
described in general form.

Re: Search and Focus in LyX

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 04/01/2018 03:13 PM, Rich Shepard wrote:

On Sun, 1 Apr 2018, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


You're not understanding. More specifically, you're considering exactly
and only one of three cases that I identified, for which case I 
noted that

there were no problem.


Daniel,

   That's probably because I've no idea what you consider to be a 
'complex'
replacement. Are you comparing emac's M-% for a plain text replacement 
and

MSC-% for a regex replacement to a LyX simple and complex replacment?

Rich


It really doesn't matter what particular complex edits I have in mind. 
 It is easy to recognize that some complex edits cannot practicably 
be made using the replacement feature.


For example, a user might have a bunch of citations a work by Sraffa 
(ugh!), each citation by section number, and be told by a Chi-Town 
journal to replace each of these with a reference by page number. (A 
stupid edit, because the Indian edition has pagination different from 
the English and American editions; but Chi-Town gonna Chi Chi Chi.) So 
it's natural to search for “Sraffa” and then to edit the goddamn'd 
section number.  It would be possible but pretty stupid to do all this 
editing by way of the replacement field. (It would also be possible to 
effect these edits with some large regular expression, but only a 
lunatic or someone with too much free time would do that.)


That example _shouldn't_ have helped.  The problem was already 
_clearly_ described in general form, and experience with other 
editors, which indeed restore focus to the primary text pane, should 
have made the process familiar.

Search and Focus in LyX

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

I notice that, when I search for text in LyX, focus simply remains 
with the search/replace dialogue.  Ideally, the user should be able to 
search for a substring, the cursor should be relocated to the next 
occurrence of that substring, and the user should be able to begin 
typing without first acting to give focus to the pane containing the 
text.


When the user is making something global replacements or something 
that otherwise best calls for the replacement feature, this issue is 
of no significance. When the user is just making one change, this 
issue is of nearly no significance.  But when the user is tweaking a 
large number different occurrences in different ways, having to change 
focus can become significant.


One of the cases in which I have met with this issue is in editting 
documents to take better advantage of some of the recent enhancements 
of LyX.

Re: texlive or miktex

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Someone mentioned an issue of installing additional texlive packages 
in Linux; but, as a Fedora user, I don't recall any problems in doing 
this, so I infer that the answer as to which to use may be somewhat a 
function of which Linux distro one uses, if Linux is one of the OSs.


When I installed LyX on Windows, many years ago, MikTeX seemed to be 
the right solution.  I don't remember whether I originally used MiKTeX 
or texlive on Linux, but when Fedora packages became available, they 
used texlive, so that is what I have subsequently used.


Before LyX became more sophisticated, my final productions involved 
punting to command-line arguments, and texlive presented no peculiar 
problems.


On 03/02/2018 07:05 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:


Which one is recommendable for the beginner: texlive or miktech? It 
should contain texlive-extra and/or texlive-publishers


Wolfgang

Re: Text output encodings

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/19/2018 04:43 PM, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:

On 02/19/2018 10:44 AM, F M Salter wrote:


 To explain in more detail.    LyX uses utf-8.   utf-8 is 
standard on

most operating systems.

 RTF is obsolescent and is not a text file.

 If I insert utf-8 italic characters into a LyX file, the plain 
text

output contains italic characters.

 I wanted to know if there was a LyX method which would produce
italic utf-8 characters from emphasised text.

 If not, this would become a feature request.


You are confusing characters with glyphs.  The letter ‘a’ may be drawn 
many ways, but it is always the same character no matter how it is 
drawn; the distinct ways of drawing it are glyphs.


Unicode is supposed to distinguish characters from glyphs.  Its 
designers have done this imperfectly, sometimes making inexcusable 
mistakes, but they still basically do this.


There are no italics characters as such.  There are characters whose 
typical glyphs might seem to be italic, but these characters are not 
their glyphs, nor are the character with such typical glyphs the same 
characters as you take for the non-italicized versions.  There is no 
distinct _character_ italicized ‘a’, though there are distinct 
characters that are not ‘a’ but may look like italicized ‘a’ to you. A 
font file that rendered them without italicization would not violate 
the standards.


In theory, Unicode could have a combing character, such that following 
a character with the combining character would signal that the first 
character were in some way to be emphasized.  Right now, Unicode does 
not have this, and I doubt that it ever will, because of the struggles 
that would result over how many such characters there should be to 
support distinct forms of emphasis.


Now, you might suggest that LyX _fake_ it, identifying characters from 
one range that typically _look_ like italicizations of the characters 
found in standard European alphabets.  I'm not sure how well it could 
be implemented.  But, in any case, I don't think that this suggestion 
would be well received.  And, if you make it, then you need to be 
_very_ clear about what would provoke this device. (All emphasis? 
textit?)


I probably should add this point: If you have an interface that is 
indeed italicizing characters on demand, then it is using something 
other that Unicode as such to do it; any editor that italicizes some 
substrings and not others is actually using mark-up of some sort in 
its files.

Re: Text output encodings

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/19/2018 10:44 AM, F M Salter wrote:


     To explain in more detail.    LyX uses utf-8.   utf-8 is standard on
most operating systems.

     RTF is obsolescent and is not a text file.

     If I insert utf-8 italic characters into a LyX file, the plain text
output contains italic characters.

     I wanted to know if there was a LyX method which would produce
italic utf-8 characters from emphasised text.

     If not, this would become a feature request.


You are confusing characters with glyphs.  The letter ‘a’ may be drawn 
many ways, but it is always the same character no matter how it is 
drawn; the distinct ways of drawing it are glyphs.


Unicode is supposed to distinguish characters from glyphs.  Its 
designers have done this imperfectly, sometimes making inexcusable 
mistakes, but they still basically do this.


There are no italics characters as such.  There are characters whose 
typical glyphs might seem to be italic, but these characters are not 
their glyphs, nor are the character with such typical glyphs the same 
characters as you take for the non-italicized versions.  There is no 
distinct _character_ italicized ‘a’, though there are distinct 
characters that are not ‘a’ but may look like italicized ‘a’ to you. 
A font file that rendered them without italicization would not violate 
the standards.


In theory, Unicode could have a combing character, such that following 
a character with the combining character would signal that the first 
character were in some way to be emphasized.  Right now, Unicode does 
not have this, and I doubt that it ever will, because of the struggles 
that would result over how many such characters there should be to 
support distinct forms of emphasis.


Now, you might suggest that LyX _fake_ it, identifying characters from 
one range that typically _look_ like italicizations of the characters 
found in standard European alphabets.  I'm not sure how well it could 
be implemented.  But, in any case, I don't think that this suggestion 
would be well received.  And, if you make it, then you need to be 
_very_ clear about what would provoke this device. (All emphasis? 
textit?)

Re: Text output encodings

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

The very definition of “plain text” precludes what you're hoping to 
get.  The closest thing of which I know to what you want is RTF 
(rich-text format).


On 02/18/2018 11:55 PM, F M Salter wrote:


Hi

     When plain text is used as output, emphasised text loses emphasis.

     Is there any way by which text output may be specified with utf-8
encoding?   Emphasis could then be maintained.

Regards

Frank Salter

Re: Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/16/2018 07:37 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 03:19:38AM +, Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian wrote:

On 02/16/2018 05:53 PM, Scott Kostyshak wrote:


You do not need to babysit it. Actually the process should keep going
even if you don't click a button.


Perhaps you're correct, but the process seems to stop, based upon the
reported actions in the lower left-hand field.


Agreed. I did not mean to say that LyX's behavior is ideal. I just
wanted to let you know you did not need to babysit.


Okay, so basically just ill-considered use of a modal dialog box, the 
modality of which is just within the interface.  Thank you for that 
information!


(Jef Raskin could be a twerp, but his book The Humane Interface is 
still worth reading.)

Re: LyX: LaTeX failed

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Make sure that this dog does not claim that Babe Ruth was the greatest 
baseball player of all time.


On 02/16/2018 08:26 AM, Steve Litt wrote:


On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:49:59 -0800
Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan  wrote:


[I don't know why this person posts this query repeatedly, without
apparently reading any of the responses.  I have CC'd this message to
him, but his handler or server may be configured such that everything
is going into the spam bucket.]


Same reason a dog runs to get a thrown ball, and brings it back to you,
time after time. I was telling one of my buddies how dumb dogs are:
They will keep bringing the ball back forever, as long as you keep
throwing it.

Then one day I overheard my dog talking to the next door neighbor's
dog. My dog said "I can't believe how dumb humans are:  They'll keep
throwing that ball forever as long as I bring it back."

SteveT

Just Do It! — Long Export Process Halted to Query Continuation

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Is there a way of telling LyX to continue an export process without 
pausing to query me as to whether I wish it to continue?


Occasionally, I want to convert a paper to OpenDocument format.  The 
process takes rather a long time.  I'd like to go away from it, so 
that I can be productive in some other way.  But LyX repeatedly posts 
a dialog that cries ‘The command / mk4ht oolatex ".tex" / 
has not yet completed. / / Do you want to stop it?’ So that I'm forced 
to babysit it.


On the one hand, I quite understand why a query is made.  On the other 
hand, I don't understand why a “Just Do It!” option or a user-set 
timer doesn't seem available, as there are various ways within most or 
all OSs to terminate processes.


(Obviously, if all else fails then I can punt to the command line to 
run oolatex.)

Re: LyX: LaTeX failed

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

[I don't know why this person posts this query repeatedly, without 
apparently reading any of the responses.  I have CC'd this message to 
him, but his handler or server may be configured such that everything 
is going into the spam bucket.]


There have been repeated responses to your query posted to the LyX 
user mailing list.


Be sure to subscriber to the list!  If you post a query to this list, 
the answers may also be posted to this list and not necessarily CC'd 
to you.  To subscriber to this list, send a blank e.mail message to


  lyx-users-subscr...@lists.lyx.org

On 02/16/2018 02:21 AM, elloh van wrote:


Dear Sir/Madam,

I have just installed LyX version 2.2.3 Windows version on my laptop 
but when I wanted to see my output in other formats, i. e., 
View[PDF(pdflatex)], the pdflatex gives the following error message:


"LyX: LaTeX failed
the external program pdflatex finished with an error.
It is recommended you fix the cause of external progam's error (check 
the logs)".


Please what should I do to overcome the problem ?
Hope to hearing from you soon.

Thank you
With kind regards
Van Wellington Elloh
Department of Physics,
University of Petroleum
and Energy Studies (UPES),
Dehradun, India.
Mobile: +91 976 086 2091
e-mail: ell...@yahoo.com

Re: LyX: LaTeX failed

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

As we've said, you must consult the log, which is what the error 
message has told you to do.  There are many things that could be 
wrong, and we would merely be guessing without seeing the log.


LyX provides a way for you to look at the error log with LyX. (From 
the Document menu, select “LaTeX Log”.) Alternately, you can find the 
file (which will have the extension “log” and examine it with a 
text-viewer or text-editor.


If you cannot understand the log file, then post it here or in a forum 
specific to pdflatex.


On 02/15/2018 09:13 PM, elloh van wrote:


Dear Sir/Madam,

I have just installed LyX version 2.2.3 on my laptop but when I wanted 
to see my output in other formats, i. e., View[PDF(pdflatex)], the 
pdflatex gives the following error message:


"LyX: LaTeX failed
the external program pdflatex finished with an error.
It is recommended you fix the cause of external progam's error (check 
the logs)".


Please what should I do to overcome the problem ?
Hope to hearing from you soon.

Thank you
With kind regards
Van Wellington Elloh
Department of Physics,
University of Petroleum
and Energy Studies (UPES),
Dehradun, India.
Mobile: +91 976 086 2091
e-mail: ell...@yahoo.com

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

Thank you very much!  I have saved chicago-aq.bst, and the attached 
version, modified as per


https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/324728/how-to-do-chicago-style-citation-where-author-last-name-first-name-appear-in-fu 



since the journal in question also wants full first names.

On 02/15/2018 04:20 AM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:
2018-02-15 13:00 GMT+01:00 Jürgen Spitzmüller >:


Thank you.  That template answered a large share of my questions.

However, chicago,bst does not actually produce a bibliography
conforming to the demands of journals published by the U Chicago.

A specific issue is in the handling of the titles of
articles.  U Chicago wants these followed by a period and then
enclosed in quotation marks.  There is a standard response
found on the web for enclosing titles in quotation marks, but
it is not conforming, because the period is placed outside of
the marks.

Looking at the structure of chicago.bst, it seems that a fix
would certainly be possible but non-trivial.


Yes, the bst syntax is at best "interesting". But it's not that
hard. Please find attached a modified version that enquotes
article titles.


And here a version that moves the period inside the quote.

Jürgen


Jürgen


It appears that the most practical solution is still going to
be for me to punt to using the command-line programs.





%%% 
%%%  @BibTeX-style-file{
%%% author  = "Glenn Paulley",
%%% version = "4",
%%% date= "28 August 1992",
%%% time= "10:23:39 199",
%%% filename= "chicago.bst",
%%% address = "Data Structuring Group
%%%Department of Computer Science
%%%University of Waterloo
%%%Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
%%%N2L 3G1",
%%% telephone   = "(519) 885-1211",
%%% FAX = "(519) 885-1208",
%%% checksum= "26323 1654 5143 37417",
%%% email   = "gnpau...@bluebox.uwaterloo.ca",
%%% codetable   = "ISO/ASCII",
%%% keywords= "",
%%% supported   = "yes",
%%% abstract= "A BibTeX bibliography style that follows the
%%%`B' reference style of the 13th Edition of
%%%the Chicago Manual of Style. A detailed
%%%feature list is given below.",
%%% docstring   = "The checksum field above contains a CRC-16
%%%checksum as the first value, followed by the
%%%equivalent of the standard UNIX wc (word
%%%count) utility output of lines, words, and
%%%characters.  This is produced by Robert
%%%Solovay's checksum utility.",
%%%  }
%%% 
%
% "Chicago" BibTeX style, chicago.bst
% ===
%
% BibTeX `chicago' style file for BibTeX version 0.99c, LaTeX version 2.09
% Place it in a file called chicago.bst in the BibTeX search path.
% You need to include chicago.sty as a \documentstyle option.
% (Placing it in the same directory as the LaTeX document should also work.)
% This "chicago" style is based on newapa.bst (American Psych. Assoc.)
% found at ymir.claremont.edu.
%
%   Citation format: (author-last-name year)
% (author-last-name and author-last-name year)
% (author-last-name, author-last-name, and author-last-name year)
% (author-last-name et al. year)
% (author-last-name)
% author-last-name (year)
% (author-last-name and author-last-name)
% (author-last-name et al.)
% (year) or (year,year)
% year or year,year
%
%   Reference list ordering: alphabetical by author or whatever passes
%for author in the absence of one.
%
% This BibTeX style has support for abbreviated author lists and for
%year-only citations.  This is done by having the citations
%actually look like
%
%\citeauthoryear{full-author-info}{abbrev-author-info}{year}
%
% The LaTeX style has to have the following (or similar)
%
% \let\@internalcite\cite
% \def\fullcite{\def\citeauthoryear##1##2##3{##1, ##3}\@internalcite}
% \def\fullciteA{\def\citeauthoryear##1##2##3{##1}\@internalcite}
% \def\shortcite{\def\citeauthoryear##1##2##3{##2, ##3}\@internalcite}
% \def\shortciteA{\def\citeauthoryear##1##2##3{##2}\@internalcite}
% \def\citeyear{\def\citeauthoryear##1##2##3{##3}\@internalcite}
%
% These TeX macro definitions are found in chicago.sty. Additional
% commands to manipulate different components of a citation can be defined
% so that, for example, you can list author's names withou

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/14/2018 11:38 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:


LyX supports Chicago via BibTeX as well.

Well, I'm not sure that's _really_ true.  But, if it is, then
explaining how LyX is got to do that would answer my query. 
Proposing an experimental process by which it is hoped that the

answer might be found would be another matter.

See attached example for using chicago.bst with natbib.


Thank you.  That template answered a large share of my questions.

However, chicago,bst does not actually produce a bibliography 
conforming to the demands of journals published by the U Chicago.


A specific issue is in the handling of the titles of articles.  U 
Chicago wants these followed by a period and then enclosed in 
quotation marks.  There is a standard response found on the web for 
enclosing titles in quotation marks, but it is not conforming, because 
the period is placed outside of the marks.


Looking at the structure of chicago.bst, it seems that a fix would 
certainly be possible but non-trivial.


It appears that the most practical solution is still going to be for 
me to punt to using the command-line programs.

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/14/2018 09:58 PM, Jürgen Spitzmüller wrote:

2018-02-15 3:29 GMT+01:00 Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian:

I use BibTeX, because that's what LyX first embraced; and the
version of LyX ported for Fedora still does not support BibLaTeX. 
Switching to BibLaTeX would involve more time and effort than

playing with the .tex file, because I would need to revise the
bibliographic database. 


Fair enough. I was just asking.


I understood and understand.


If LyX is not going to support Chicago style except through
BibLaTeX, then trying to avoid wrestling with the .tex file of the
paper at hand is not reasonable; though it might well be
reasonable to migrate to BibLaTeX for future papers.

LyX supports Chicago via BibTeX as well.


Well, I'm not sure that's _really_ true.  But, if it is, then 
explaining how LyX is got to do that would answer my query.  Proposing 
an experimental process by which it is hoped that the answer might be 
found would be another matter.



An Example that produced the yowlings about conflicting
specifications would be a crufty non-Minimal non-Working Example. 
I wasn't seeking to get the yowling decyphered.  My actual query

stands with or without mentioning those yowlings; my point in
mentioning them was to preempt a suggestion that merely dropped
something into the preamble.

You wrote you get LaTeX errors when tweaking with the preamble. We can 
help you resolving this, but only with an example where we see what 
goes wrong.


It's not something to resolve.  Pursuing that issue is just crufty. 
If someone asked me how to perform a merge sort, and mentioned en 
passant that she'd tried something that didn't work, I wouldn't demand 
that we pore over her code; I'd show her how to write a merge sort. 
If someone didn't know how to parallel park, I wouldn't demand that he 
show me what he'd tried; I'd just walk him through the process.  If 
someone didn't know where to buy bread in my neighborhood, I would 
insist that we look in the stores in which he tried; I'd take him to 
the right store.


As I have said elsewhere: [1] The proper solution (if there is one) 
involves understanding the various settings in the Bibliography 
dialog.  I don't, and the documentation is severely wanting, but 
someone here might understand them well enough to know what to do. [2] 
There are simply too many variables here for it to be practical to 
effect what would amount to a multivariate optimization by 
experimenting with possible configurations and watching what pops-up 
in the logs or rendering.


If no one here understands the Bibliography settings well enough to 
answer my question, then I should just generate a .tex file and use 
other programs to process it.



Thank you for the .layout file.  I am in fact just playing with
the damn'd .tex file, and will finish that shortly after
completing a process of turning useful citations (which identify
chapters and sections) into lousy citations (which only offer page
numbers peculiar to the edition used).

It's very Microsoft-ish if LyX cannot simply be told to disable
the insertions and other processing associated with the
Bibliography configuration.

It can, in fact. But what _exactly_ are you trying to disable?


I keep saying exactly what I mean.  In this case, I wasn't referring 
merely to some _part_ of the insertions and other processing 
associated with the Bibliography configuration; and I used the word 
“simply” advisedly.

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

No, I have a really blunt way of responding to those who are 
condescending or dogmatic rather than at all helpful in response to 
requests for help.  If I'm drowning and you throw a horseshoe, don't 
expect gratitude.


On 02/14/2018 09:13 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:

You have a really funny way of asking for help.

el

—
Sent from Dr Lisse’s iPad Mini

On 15 Feb 2018, 01:30 +0200, Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian 
, wrote:


That is a signally absurd response.

A minimal example would be an empty LyX document. I could show you a
screen-shot of an empty preamble, but you presumably know how that
looks. Likewise for the Bibliography dialog.

I could go a bit further, and post a bibtex file, and a LyX document
with a cite element and bibligraphy element, and ask “What do I do to
get LyX to render that cite element and the bibliogrpahy in Chicago
style?” But, again, you presumably know how bibtex files, cite
elements, and bibliography elements look.

So far, I've seen you post one willfully passive-aggressive response
to one person, and then this foolish response to me. This list begins
to look to be a source of abuse, rather than constructive response.

On 02/14/2018 03:11 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:


As a general rule,

provide a Minimal Working Example, ie the shortest LyX file with the
shortest BIB file that demonstrates the issue.

greetings, el

On 14/02/2018 02:13, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:

I've an article, prepared in LyX, whose citations and bibliography I
need to have rendered in Chicago style. (Indeed, If I can get the
sections titles &c to conform automatically to Chicago-journal style,
that would be great.)

I'd like to avoid a process of tweaking a .tex file.

When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls about
conflicting specifications. If I have to do everything through the
preamble or by tweaking a .tex file, then I'd like to know how to
disable the build-in Bibliography processing.

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/14/2018 09:03 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:35:04 -0800
Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan  wrote:


On 02/14/2018 06:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:30:13 -0800
Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian  wrote:
   

I've an article, prepared in LyX, whose citations and
bibliography I need to have rendered in Chicago style.  (Indeed,
If I can get the sections titles &c to conform automatically to
Chicago-journal style, that would be great.)

I'd like to avoid a process of tweaking a .tex file.

When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls
about conflicting specifications.  If I have to do everything
through the preamble or by tweaking a .tex file, then I'd like
to know how to disable the build-in Bibliography processing.
 
   

On 02/14/2018 03:11 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:


As a general rule,

provide a Minimal Working Example, ie the shortest LyX file with
the shortest BIB file that demonstrates the issue.

greetings, el

On 14/02/2018 02:13, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:


   

That is a signally absurd response.

A minimal example would be an empty LyX document.  I could show
you a screen-shot of an empty preamble, but you presumably know
how that looks.  Likewise for the Bibliography dialog.

I could go a bit further, and post a bibtex file, and a LyX
document with a cite element and bibligraphy element, and ask
“What do I do to get LyX to render that cite element and the
bibliogrpahy in Chicago style?”  But, again, you presumably know
how bibtex files, cite elements, and bibliography elements look.

So far, I've seen you post one willfully passive-aggressive
response to one person, and then this foolish response to me.
This list begins to look to be a source of abuse, rather than
constructive response.


I've rearranged the thread as bottom posted, so when somebody says
"this" is absurd, we all know what "this" refers to, and when
someone recommends a minimum working example, we all know what
situation a MWE is supposed to improve. If we're going to criticize
communication styles, let's go for clarity ourselves.

Anyway, regardless of Eberhard Lisse's tone, the Minimum Working
Example (MWE) is one of your most powerful tools for diagnosing LyX
problems. Remember, he said " ie the shortest LyX file with the
shortest BIB file that ***demonstrates the issue***." (emphasis
mine).

If the issue occurs on a blank document, start removing stuff from
the document properties. At some point you're going to be able to
toggle the problem on and off. Then, keep removing more stuff until
the only stuff left is stuff that will toggle the problem. This is
a true MWE.

Once you have your true MWE, either the cause will be obvious to you
and you'll fix it, or you can submit it and it will be obvious to
your fellow listmates, or the LyX developers will tell you "whoops,
that's a bug, let us fix that, and thank you so much for narrowing
it down for us."

The way I make MWEs is I keep dividing the remaining root cause
scope of the document in half and seeing whether the symptom is
still there, and continue until all that's left is maybe a sentence
plus what is necessary to produce the symptom. Likewise, I keep
simplifying the document preamble/properties until there's nothing
there that won't flip the symptom  if I remove/change it.

A year ago I has a problem in which I couldn't produce my books on
my new Void Linux computer if I used Century Schoolbook type, which
is a must. Even a Minimal Working Example would fail if I used
Century Schoolbook. So for LyX had I had to use a Ubuntu virtual
machine guest: Inconvenient!

Then one day a fellow author let me read his LyX produced book,
which obviously had Century Schoolbook type. I made an MWE of his,
and MWE of mine, compared, and the difference was obvious: He was
using the TeX Gyre Schola variant

SteveT


I explained exactly why the request for an MWE was absurd here.  You
didn't actually attend to the explanation.

I understand when and how to use an MWE.  This was not an occasion
for which one made any sense.

If someone asked you how to launch LyX, would you actually tell them
to provide an MWE?  You're about in that territory right now, and a
person who didn't know how to launch LyX wouldn't be as demonstrably
foolish as someone who asked for an MWE of that person, or as someone
who pontificated about the value of MWEs in the face of the present
problem.


Fine. You tried it.

"When I try to handl things by way of the preamble,
LyX yowls about conflicting specifications."

Next job: Find out the source of the yowls. I'd use an MWE to narrow it
down, but perhaps you have a different idea.


No, that is not the next job.

Experimenting with the checkboxes, menus, and textfields would be 
grossly impractical — there are too many possibilities (especially 
because of those damn'd 

Re: Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

On 02/14/2018 06:43 PM, Steve Litt wrote:

On Wed, 14 Feb 2018 03:30:13 -0800
Mc Kiernan Daniel Kian  wrote:


I've an article, prepared in LyX, whose citations and bibliography
I need to have rendered in Chicago style.  (Indeed, If I can get
the sections titles &c to conform automatically to Chicago-journal
style, that would be great.)

I'd like to avoid a process of tweaking a .tex file.

When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls about
conflicting specifications.  If I have to do everything through the
preamble or by tweaking a .tex file, then I'd like to know how to
disable the build-in Bibliography processing.
  



On 02/14/2018 03:11 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:


As a general rule,

provide a Minimal Working Example, ie the shortest LyX file with the
shortest BIB file that demonstrates the issue.

greetings, el

On 14/02/2018 02:13, Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan wrote:




That is a signally absurd response.

A minimal example would be an empty LyX document.  I could show you a
screen-shot of an empty preamble, but you presumably know how that
looks.  Likewise for the Bibliography dialog.

I could go a bit further, and post a bibtex file, and a LyX document
with a cite element and bibligraphy element, and ask “What do I do to
get LyX to render that cite element and the bibliogrpahy in Chicago
style?”  But, again, you presumably know how bibtex files, cite
elements, and bibliography elements look.

So far, I've seen you post one willfully passive-aggressive response
to one person, and then this foolish response to me.  This list
begins to look to be a source of abuse, rather than constructive
response.


I've rearranged the thread as bottom posted, so when somebody says
"this" is absurd, we all know what "this" refers to, and when someone
recommends a minimum working example, we all know what situation a MWE
is supposed to improve. If we're going to criticize communication
styles, let's go for clarity ourselves.

Anyway, regardless of Eberhard Lisse's tone, the Minimum Working
Example (MWE) is one of your most powerful tools for diagnosing LyX
problems. Remember, he said " ie the shortest LyX file with the
shortest BIB file that ***demonstrates the issue***." (emphasis mine).

If the issue occurs on a blank document, start removing stuff from the
document properties. At some point you're going to be able to toggle
the problem on and off. Then, keep removing more stuff until the only
stuff left is stuff that will toggle the problem. This is a true MWE.

Once you have your true MWE, either the cause will be obvious to you
and you'll fix it, or you can submit it and it will be obvious to your
fellow listmates, or the LyX developers will tell you "whoops, that's a
bug, let us fix that, and thank you so much for narrowing it down for
us."

The way I make MWEs is I keep dividing the remaining root cause
scope of the document in half and seeing whether the symptom is still
there, and continue until all that's left is maybe a sentence plus what
is necessary to produce the symptom. Likewise, I keep simplifying the
document preamble/properties until there's nothing there that won't
flip the symptom  if I remove/change it.

A year ago I has a problem in which I couldn't produce my books on my
new Void Linux computer if I used Century Schoolbook type, which is a
must. Even a Minimal Working Example would fail if I used Century
Schoolbook. So for LyX had I had to use a Ubuntu virtual machine guest:
Inconvenient!

Then one day a fellow author let me read his LyX produced book, which
obviously had Century Schoolbook type. I made an MWE of his, and MWE of
mine, compared, and the difference was obvious: He was using the TeX
Gyre Schola variant

SteveT


I explained exactly why the request for an MWE was absurd here.  You 
didn't actually attend to the explanation.


I understand when and how to use an MWE.  This was not an occasion for 
which one made any sense.


If someone asked you how to launch LyX, would you actually tell them 
to provide an MWE?  You're about in that territory right now, and a 
person who didn't know how to launch LyX wouldn't be as demonstrably 
foolish as someone who asked for an MWE of that person, or as someone 
who pontificated about the value of MWEs in the face of the present 
problem.

Re: LyX: LaTeX failed

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

There should be a file with the extension “.log” in the directory in 
the same director as your .lyx file.


Read that .log file for diagnostics.  If the diagnostics are 
impenetrable, then post them to this list or to a list or BBS more 
specific to pdflatex.


Right now, only you have the .log file, so anyone else would just be 
shooting in the dark.


On 02/14/2018 02:50 AM, elloh van wrote:


Dear Sir/Madam,

I have just installed LyX version 2.2.3 on my laptop but when I wanted 
to see my output in other formats, i. e., View[PDF(pdflatex)], the 
pdflatex gives the following error message:


"LyX: LaTeX failed
the external program pdflatex finished with an error.
It is recommended you fix the cause of external progam's error (check 
the logs)".


Please what should I do to overcome the problem ?
Hope to hearing from you soon.

Thank you
With kind regards
Van Wellington Elloh
Department of Physics,
University of Petroleum
and Energy Studies (UPES),
Dehradun, India.
Mobile: +91 976 086 2091
e-mail: ell...@yahoo.com

Chicago-Style Citations and Bibliography

[Daniel Kian Mc Kiernan]

I've an article, prepared in LyX, whose citations and bibliography I 
need to have rendered in Chicago style. (Indeed, If I can get the 
sections titles &c to conform automatically to Chicago-journal style, 
that would be great.)


I'd like to avoid a process of tweaking a .tex file.

When I try to handl things by way of the preamble, LyX yowls about 
conflicting specifications.  If I have to do everything through the 
preamble or by tweaking a .tex file, then I'd like to know how to 
disable the build-in Bibliography processing.