Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)


I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix  
them

in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
generated docbook.


I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in  
general it looks like the book tag is improperly generated (using  
'lang=EN_US' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get  
graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The authorinfo section  
is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily  
by layout changes, but I'm not sure.


The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I  
don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it  
in the output.


LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least  
according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is  
current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).


I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make  
sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when  
the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.


Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Best,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[José Matos]

On Friday 21 November 2008 16:18:35 Ethan Metsger wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
> by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
> comment on this?

I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)

> For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
> put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
> little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix them 
in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml 
generated docbook.

> Thanks again,
>
> Ethan

-- 
José Abílio

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:48:26 -0500, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I would have done before if I had not been victim of a cold. :-)


I'm currently recovering from one, too--no worries about the delay.

What are the problems that you have encountered. I am interested to fix  
them

in both the stable and the development series.

I am specially interested in the problems you are having with the xml
generated docbook.


I'll file some bug reports (and throw them back in this thread), but in  
general it looks like the  tag is improperly generated (using  
'lang="EN_US"' appears to be invalid), and I have not been able to get  
graphics properly embedded in the HTML output.  The  section  
is also not properly outputted; I suspect this can be fixed pretty easily  
by layout changes, but I'm not sure.


The user-customized preamble is put into the doctype declaration, too--I  
don't really consider this a bug, but I was a little surprised to find it  
in the output.


LyX is also a few revisions behind in its DocBook support, at least  
according to the doctype (I think 4.4 is the last 4.x revision, and 5.x is  
current; the generated XML says that it's using 4.2).


I've used both the sgmltools package and the sgml2x package.  I'll make  
sure to describe the pertinent information in the bugzilla filings when  
the time comes, as the two seem to work slightly differently.


Thanks again for all your hard work, guys; I really do appreciate it.

Best,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


Thanks again,

Ethan

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online  
haven't turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and  
it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial  
products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered  
that LyX provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I  
created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results  
from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that  
this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to  
undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for  
using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Steve Litt]

Back in 2001, switching away from writing books in MS Word (yeah, laugh all 
you want), I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free 
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just 
aren't that flexible.

LyX benefits:
* VERY fast writing environment. 3000 words per day no problem if you think 
that fast.
* WYSIWYG enough that you don't need to switch between input view and output 
view.
* Very nice presentation on paper with little effort.
* Easy to tweak with an editor if the LyX front end doesn't cut it for a task.
* Lots of LaTeX packages to do specialized stuff.

LyX disadvantages:
* Creating or modifying styles is excruciatingly difficult and requires 
LaTeX/TeX knowledge.

HTH

SteveT

On Friday 21 November 2008 11:18:35 am Ethan Metsger wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply
 by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone
 comment on this?

 For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or
 put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a
 little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.

 Thanks again,

 Ethan

 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  Hi, all.
 
  I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with
  Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the
  past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online
  haven't turned up much else, either.
 
  We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our
  documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a
  front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much
  traction.
 
  My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and
  it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial
  products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered
  that LyX provides some support for it also.
 
 
  I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I
  created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results
  from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that
  this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to
  undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for
  using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?
 
  Thanks much,
 
  Ethan
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Richard Heck]

Ethan Metsger wrote:

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or 
imply by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can 
anyone comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll 
or put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping 
not a little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


DocBook support is a bit of a black art around here. There are people 
who know about it, but not many. Hence the silence. But I'm ccing on the 
people who do know.


rh

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:30:47 -0500, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just
aren't that flexible.


Hi, Steve.

Thanks for your comments.  My issue at this point isn't converting to  
LyX--I already know I *want* to use it.  The issue is that management  
prefers to avoid LaTeX and instead opt for our local industry standard,  
which is DocBook.  We're also involved in the XML databinding business, so  
spending some extra time with XML-related technologies is more comfortable  
in general.


LyX works well with DocBook/SGML (save for a few problems I've had with  
images).  DocBook, however, is transitioning away from SGML to XML, and  
LyX doesn't support the XML format as well as I need.  My attempts to  
transform the XML export into HTML failed, and I think this is because the  
XML export from LyX is not compatible.


If LyX isn't DocBook/XML-ready, that's fine--I'll continue using it for my  
one-off docs that I write for our customers.  But if it can be fairly  
easily used to produce DocBook/XML, I'll press a bit harder for its  
adoption through the rest of the office.



Thanks again for your thoughts,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


Thanks again,

Ethan

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:




Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online  
haven't turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and  
it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial  
products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered  
that LyX provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I  
created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results  
from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that  
this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to  
undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for  
using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Steve Litt]

Back in 2001, switching away from writing books in MS Word (yeah, laugh all 
you want), I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free 
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just 
aren't that flexible.

LyX benefits:
* VERY fast writing environment. 3000 words per day no problem if you think 
that fast.
* WYSIWYG enough that you don't need to switch between input view and output 
view.
* Very nice presentation on paper with little effort.
* Easy to tweak with an editor if the LyX front end doesn't cut it for a task.
* Lots of LaTeX packages to do specialized stuff.

LyX disadvantages:
* Creating or modifying styles is excruciatingly difficult and requires 
LaTeX/TeX knowledge.

HTH

SteveT

On Friday 21 November 2008 11:18:35 am Ethan Metsger wrote:
 Hi, all.

 I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply
 by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone
 comment on this?

 For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or
 put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a
 little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.

 Thanks again,

 Ethan

 On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 wrote:
  Hi, all.
 
  I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with
  Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the
  past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online
  haven't turned up much else, either.
 
  We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our
  documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a
  front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much
  traction.
 
  My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and
  it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial
  products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered
  that LyX provides some support for it also.
 
 
  I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I
  created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results
  from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that
  this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to
  undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for
  using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?
 
  Thanks much,
 
  Ethan
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Richard Heck]

Ethan Metsger wrote:

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or 
imply by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can 
anyone comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll 
or put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping 
not a little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


DocBook support is a bit of a black art around here. There are people 
who know about it, but not many. Hence the silence. But I'm ccing on the 
people who do know.


rh

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:30:47 -0500, Steve Litt [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just
aren't that flexible.


Hi, Steve.

Thanks for your comments.  My issue at this point isn't converting to  
LyX--I already know I *want* to use it.  The issue is that management  
prefers to avoid LaTeX and instead opt for our local industry standard,  
which is DocBook.  We're also involved in the XML databinding business, so  
spending some extra time with XML-related technologies is more comfortable  
in general.


LyX works well with DocBook/SGML (save for a few problems I've had with  
images).  DocBook, however, is transitioning away from SGML to XML, and  
LyX doesn't support the XML format as well as I need.  My attempts to  
transform the XML export into HTML failed, and I think this is because the  
XML export from LyX is not compatible.


If LyX isn't DocBook/XML-ready, that's fine--I'll continue using it for my  
one-off docs that I write for our customers.  But if it can be fairly  
easily used to produce DocBook/XML, I'll press a bit harder for its  
adoption through the rest of the office.



Thanks again for your thoughts,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply  
by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone  
comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or  
put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a  
little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


Thanks again,

Ethan

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:




Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online  
haven't turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and  
it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial  
products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered  
that LyX provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I  
created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results  
from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that  
this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to  
undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for  
using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Steve Litt]

Back in 2001, switching away from writing books in MS Word (yeah, laugh all 
you want), I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free 
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just 
aren't that flexible.

LyX benefits:
* VERY fast writing environment. 3000 words per day no problem if you think 
that fast.
* WYSIWYG enough that you don't need to switch between input view and output 
view.
* Very nice presentation on paper with little effort.
* Easy to tweak with an editor if the LyX front end doesn't cut it for a task.
* Lots of LaTeX packages to do specialized stuff.

LyX disadvantages:
* Creating or modifying styles is excruciatingly difficult and requires 
LaTeX/TeX knowledge.

HTH

SteveT

On Friday 21 November 2008 11:18:35 am Ethan Metsger wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or imply
> by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can anyone
> comment on this?
>
> For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll or
> put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping not a
> little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Ethan
>
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:43 -0500, Ethan Metsger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with
> > Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the
> > past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online
> > haven't turned up much else, either.
> >
> > We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our
> > documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a
> > front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much
> > traction.
> >
> > My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and
> > it's an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial
> > products for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered
> > that LyX provides some support for it also.
> >
> >
> > I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I
> > created when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results
> > from the exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that
> > this is a somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to
> > undertake, but I thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for
> > using Docbook/XML with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Ethan
> > ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Richard Heck]

Ethan Metsger wrote:

Hi, all.

I promise I'll be quiet after this post--I don't mean to pester (or 
imply by any stretch that I'm unhappy with LyX in general!).  But can 
anyone comment on this?


For what it's worth, I really do like LyX, and I'm not trying to troll 
or put on anyone.  I'm just curious about the capabilities and hoping 
not a little to spur its adoption among my general work populace.


DocBook support is a bit of a black art around here. There are people 
who know about it, but not many. Hence the silence. But I'm ccing on the 
people who do know.


rh

Re: LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:30:47 -0500, Steve Litt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



I considered both LyX and DocBook. At the time, the only free
software front end I could find for DocBook was Emacs, and my wrists just
aren't that flexible.


Hi, Steve.

Thanks for your comments.  My issue at this point isn't converting to  
LyX--I already know I *want* to use it.  The issue is that management  
prefers to avoid LaTeX and instead opt for our local industry standard,  
which is DocBook.  We're also involved in the XML databinding business, so  
spending some extra time with XML-related technologies is more comfortable  
in general.


LyX works well with DocBook/SGML (save for a few problems I've had with  
images).  DocBook, however, is transitioning away from SGML to XML, and  
LyX doesn't support the XML format as well as I need.  My attempts to  
transform the XML export into HTML failed, and I think this is because the  
XML export from LyX is not compatible.


If LyX isn't DocBook/XML-ready, that's fine--I'll continue using it for my  
one-off docs that I write for our customers.  But if it can be fairly  
easily used to produce DocBook/XML, I'll press a bit harder for its  
adoption through the rest of the office.



Thanks again for your thoughts,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online haven't  
turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and it's  
an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial products  
for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered that LyX  
provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I created  
when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results from the  
exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that this is a  
somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to undertake, but I  
thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for using Docbook/XML  
with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online haven't  
turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and it's  
an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial products  
for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered that LyX  
provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I created  
when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results from the  
exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that this is a  
somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to undertake, but I  
thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for using Docbook/XML  
with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

LyX and Docbook/XML

[Ethan Metsger]

Hi, all.

I figured I'd send a quick query to the list about using LyX with  
Docbook/XML.  I know there's been a little bit of traffic on this in the  
past, but I haven't seen anything recently, and my searches online haven't  
turned up much else, either.


We're in the process of evaluating some tools for transitioning our  
documentation away from Frame, and my bid to use LaTeX with LyX as a  
front-end and pdflatex/plastex as the backend didn't really gain much  
traction.


My boss prefers to use Docbook--a number of our customers use it, and it's  
an accepted standard in our industry.  There are some commercial products  
for Docbook editing that we're investigating, but I remembered that LyX  
provides some support for it also.



I was able to make some HTML and PDFs out of the basic document I created  
when using SGML tools, but I wasn't able to get similar results from the  
exported XML.  Some online reading leads me to believe that this is a  
somewhat more difficult task than I'm really willing to undertake, but I  
thought I would ask here.  Is there a good workflow for using Docbook/XML  
with LyX, or are we still kind of waiting on it?


Thanks much,

Ethan
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Chad A.]

Hi,

I have published a tutorial on how to use lyX to produce Docbook XML which
can be transformed into XHTML or PDF documents.  The tutorial shows how to
leverage XML technologies, such as XSL, to create customized versions of
Docbook XSL stylesheets that fix some of lyX's Docbook problems.

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here:
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated,
Chad
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML/
-- 
Chad A.
http://www.neomantic.com

Re: Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Chad A. wrote:

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here: 
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML


What do think of hosting it on the LyX wiki? (Either moving it, or just 
mirroring it there).


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Chad A.]

Hi,

I have published a tutorial on how to use lyX to produce Docbook XML which
can be transformed into XHTML or PDF documents.  The tutorial shows how to
leverage XML technologies, such as XSL, to create customized versions of
Docbook XSL stylesheets that fix some of lyX's Docbook problems.

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here:
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated,
Chad
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML/
-- 
Chad A.
http://www.neomantic.com

Re: Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Chad A. wrote:

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here: 
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML


What do think of hosting it on the LyX wiki? (Either moving it, or just 
mirroring it there).


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Chad A.]

Hi,

I have published a tutorial on how to use lyX to produce Docbook XML which
can be transformed into XHTML or PDF documents.  The tutorial shows how to
leverage XML technologies, such as XSL, to create customized versions of
Docbook XSL stylesheets that fix some of lyX's Docbook problems.

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here:
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated,
Chad
<http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML/>
-- 
Chad A.
http://www.neomantic.com

Re: Tutorial Published on Using XSL stylesheets to fix lyX's Docbook XML implementation

[Christian Ridderström]

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Chad A. wrote:

The tutorial, with source code, has been posted here: 
http://www.neomantic.com/tutorials/lyx-and-docbookXML


What do think of hosting it on the LyX wiki? (Either moving it, or just 
mirroring it there).


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

lyx docbook XML - schema

[Mickael Leduque]

Hello,
I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook 
XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can 
make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.

How do I do that?

Mickaël

Re: lyx docbook XML - schema

[Pavel Sanda]

 Hello,
 I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook XML. 
 I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can make lyx 
 export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
 How do I do that?

i'm afraid lyx support of docbook export is obsolete for a long time and having
no real maintainer it slowly moves to graveyard...
pavel

Re: lyx docbook XML - schema

[José Matos]

On Tuesday 15 July 2008 09:29:24 Mickael Leduque wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook
 XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can
 make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
 How do I do that?

Do you want to remove the reference to the DTD or is there any other change 
you want to do?

 Mickaël

-- 
José Abílio

lyx docbook XML - schema

[Mickael Leduque]

Hello,
I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook 
XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can 
make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.

How do I do that?

Mickaël

Re: lyx docbook XML - schema

[Pavel Sanda]

 Hello,
 I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook XML. 
 I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can make lyx 
 export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
 How do I do that?

i'm afraid lyx support of docbook export is obsolete for a long time and having
no real maintainer it slowly moves to graveyard...
pavel

Re: lyx docbook XML - schema

[José Matos]

On Tuesday 15 July 2008 09:29:24 Mickael Leduque wrote:
 Hello,
 I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook
 XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can
 make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
 How do I do that?

Do you want to remove the reference to the DTD or is there any other change 
you want to do?

 Mickaël

-- 
José Abílio

lyx & docbook XML - schema

[Mickael Leduque]

Hello,
I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook 
XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can 
make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.

How do I do that?

Mickaël

Re: lyx & docbook XML - schema

[Pavel Sanda]

> Hello,
> I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook XML. 
> I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can make lyx 
> export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
> How do I do that?

i'm afraid lyx support of docbook export is obsolete for a long time and having
no real maintainer it slowly moves to graveyard...
pavel

Re: lyx & docbook XML - schema

[José Matos]

On Tuesday 15 July 2008 09:29:24 Mickael Leduque wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm working on a project where the documentation is written in docbook
> XML. I'd like to use Lyx to create it, but I have not found where I can
> make lyx export to XML with schema instead of DTD.
> How do I do that?

Do you want to remove the reference to the DTD or is there any other change 
you want to do?

> Mickaël

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
 documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
 anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
Wikipedia entry [2].

Liviu

[1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

Yes, in many ways that is the *type* of information I'm looking for
but as I have stated before, the documents are very specific that this
only works for version 1.2 of LyX and do NOT work for anything newer.
You can see this explicitly in this part of that doc
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/lyx.html I really do not want to
use such an old version of LyX.

The other thing I would *hope* is possible is to actually edit an
existing docbook file. The reason for this is that I am attempting to
use this process as a way of creating documentation for an open source
project, and I'd like to be able to keep the source document as a
docbook file and not as a lyx file - which I think would be required
for the process outlined in those docs.

I have seen this document before and I believe I linked to it before
in a previous email, but I do really appreciate the assistance in
pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 19, 2008 8:43 PM, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
  documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
  anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

 I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
 Wikipedia entry [2].

 Liviu

 [1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
 documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
 anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
Wikipedia entry [2].

Liviu

[1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

Yes, in many ways that is the *type* of information I'm looking for
but as I have stated before, the documents are very specific that this
only works for version 1.2 of LyX and do NOT work for anything newer.
You can see this explicitly in this part of that doc
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/lyx.html I really do not want to
use such an old version of LyX.

The other thing I would *hope* is possible is to actually edit an
existing docbook file. The reason for this is that I am attempting to
use this process as a way of creating documentation for an open source
project, and I'd like to be able to keep the source document as a
docbook file and not as a lyx file - which I think would be required
for the process outlined in those docs.

I have seen this document before and I believe I linked to it before
in a previous email, but I do really appreciate the assistance in
pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 19, 2008 8:43 PM, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
  documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
  anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

 I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
 Wikipedia entry [2].

 Liviu

 [1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
 [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
> documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
> anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
Wikipedia entry [2].

Liviu

[1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

Yes, in many ways that is the *type* of information I'm looking for
but as I have stated before, the documents are very specific that this
only works for version 1.2 of LyX and do NOT work for anything newer.
You can see this explicitly in this part of that doc
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/lyx.html I really do not want to
use such an old version of LyX.

The other thing I would *hope* is possible is to actually edit an
existing docbook file. The reason for this is that I am attempting to
use this process as a way of creating documentation for an open source
project, and I'd like to be able to keep the source document as a
docbook file and not as a lyx file - which I think would be required
for the process outlined in those docs.

I have seen this document before and I believe I linked to it before
in a previous email, but I do really appreciate the assistance in
pointing me in the right direction.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 19, 2008 8:43 PM, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 11/22/07, Ryan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
> > documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
> > anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.
>
> I'm wondering if it this [1] is what you're looking for. From the LyX
> Wikipedia entry [2].
>
> Liviu
>
> [1] http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
> [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyx#Features
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you feeling any better from your surgery? Hope your holidays went well
too. Any chance you've had some time to write up some details about DocBook
support? ;)

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:06 PM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
  (with any current versions)?
 
  Thanks!
  -Ryan

  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
 just
 before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)

  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
 wiki
 and then post a link here.

 --
 José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you feeling any better from your surgery? Hope your holidays went well
too. Any chance you've had some time to write up some details about DocBook
support? ;)

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:06 PM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
  (with any current versions)?
 
  Thanks!
  -Ryan

  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
 just
 before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)

  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
 wiki
 and then post a link here.

 --
 José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you feeling any better from your surgery? Hope your holidays went well
too. Any chance you've had some time to write up some details about DocBook
support? ;)

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:06 PM, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
> > Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
> > (with any current versions)?
> >
> > Thanks!
> > -Ryan
>
>  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
> just
> before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
>
>  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
> wiki
> and then post a link here.
>
> --
> José Abílio
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

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 times to unsubscribe but it doesn't work.

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Jean-Marc Lasgouttes]

Sourena Mohammadi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi,
> How can I unsubscribe from this mailing list. I have attempted several
> times to unsubscribe but it doesn't work.

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Sourena Mohammadi]

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Sourena Mohammadi]

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Sourena Mohammadi]

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Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I looked into dblatex a bit - but I don't think this would quite work for me
since it doesn't provide the ability to author docbook files with Lyx. It is
only geared towards taking docbook files and then converting them to latex
for processing into pdfs, etc.

Still looking forward to the docbook documentation.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:10 PM, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 José Matos wrote:

  On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for
 Lyx
  (with any current versions)?
 
  Thanks!
  -Ryan
 
I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
just
  before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
 
Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to
 the
wiki
  and then post a link here.
 

 Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a
 perfect fit.

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I looked into dblatex a bit - but I don't think this would quite work for me
since it doesn't provide the ability to author docbook files with Lyx. It is
only geared towards taking docbook files and then converting them to latex
for processing into pdfs, etc.

Still looking forward to the docbook documentation.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:10 PM, Neal Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 José Matos wrote:

  On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for
 Lyx
  (with any current versions)?
 
  Thanks!
  -Ryan
 
I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
just
  before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
 
Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to
 the
wiki
  and then post a link here.
 

 Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a
 perfect fit.

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I looked into dblatex a bit - but I don't think this would quite work for me
since it doesn't provide the ability to author docbook files with Lyx. It is
only geared towards taking docbook files and then converting them to latex
for processing into pdfs, etc.

Still looking forward to the docbook documentation.

Thanks,
Ryan

On Jan 4, 2008 11:10 PM, Neal Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> José Matos wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
> >> Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for
> Lyx
> >> (with any current versions)?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> -Ryan
> >
> >   I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
> >   just
> > before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
> >
> >   Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to
> the
> >   wiki
> > and then post a link here.
> >
>
> Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a
> perfect fit.
>
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
 (with any current versions)?

 Thanks!
 -Ryan

  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery just 
before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)

  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the wiki 
and then post a link here.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Neal Becker]

José Matos wrote:

 On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
 (with any current versions)?

 Thanks!
 -Ryan
 
   I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
   just
 before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
 
   Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
   wiki
 and then post a link here.
 

Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a perfect fit.

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
 (with any current versions)?

 Thanks!
 -Ryan

  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery just 
before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)

  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the wiki 
and then post a link here.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Neal Becker]

José Matos wrote:

 On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
 (with any current versions)?

 Thanks!
 -Ryan
 
   I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
   just
 before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
 
   Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
   wiki
 and then post a link here.
 

Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a perfect fit.

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
> Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
> (with any current versions)?
>
> Thanks!
> -Ryan

  I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery just 
before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)

  Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the wiki 
and then post a link here.

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Neal Becker]

José Matos wrote:

> On Wednesday 02 January 2008 08:03:52 Ryan Cross wrote:
>> Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
>> (with any current versions)?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> -Ryan
> 
>   I am sorry for the delay. I have been recovering from a small surgery
>   just
> before the holidays, and now I am recovering from the holidays. :-)
> 
>   Expect new documentation next week. I will add the documentation to the
>   wiki
> and then post a link here.
> 

Has anyone tried dblatex to work with docbook in lyx?  Seems like a perfect fit.

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
(with any current versions)?

Thanks!
-Ryan

On Dec 18, 2007 9:11 AM, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Jose,

 Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
 Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.

 Thanks,
 Ryan


 On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  FWIW,
  you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is
  only valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm
  still asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx
  for obvious reasons
 
  Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
  http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
 
  I eagerly and anxiously await your input.
 
  -Ryan
 
  On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
   interested in
 docbook though)
   
  I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
   will
return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
   fortunately). :-)
  
   We're all waiting for this ^_^.
  
   Regards,
   Liviu
  
 
 
 

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
(with any current versions)?

Thanks!
-Ryan

On Dec 18, 2007 9:11 AM, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey Jose,

 Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
 Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.

 Thanks,
 Ryan


 On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  FWIW,
  you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is
  only valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm
  still asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx
  for obvious reasons
 
  Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
  http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
 
  I eagerly and anxiously await your input.
 
  -Ryan
 
  On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
   interested in
 docbook though)
   
  I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
   will
return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
   fortunately). :-)
  
   We're all waiting for this ^_^.
  
   Regards,
   Liviu
  
 
 
 

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Bump... Can anyone provide some guidance on working with DocBook for Lyx
(with any current versions)?

Thanks!
-Ryan

On Dec 18, 2007 9:11 AM, Ryan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Jose,
>
> Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
> Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
>
>
> On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW,
> > you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is
> > only valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm
> > still asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx
> > for obvious reasons
> >
> > Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
> > http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
> >
> > I eagerly and anxiously await your input.
> >
> > -Ryan
> >
> > On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 11/27/07, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
> > > interested in
> > > > > docbook though)
> > > >
> > > >   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
> > > will
> > > > return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
> > > fortunately). :-)
> > >
> > > We're all waiting for this ^_^.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Liviu
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.

Thanks,
Ryan

On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FWIW,
 you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
 valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
 asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
 obvious reasons

 Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
 http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/

 I eagerly and anxiously await your input.

 -Ryan

 On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
  interested in
docbook though)
  
 I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
  will
   return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
  fortunately). :-)
 
  We're all waiting for this ^_^.
 
  Regards,
  Liviu
 

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.

Thanks,
Ryan

On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 FWIW,
 you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
 valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
 asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
 obvious reasons

 Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
 http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/

 I eagerly and anxiously await your input.

 -Ryan

 On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
  interested in
docbook though)
  
 I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
  will
   return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
  fortunately). :-)
 
  We're all waiting for this ^_^.
 
  Regards,
  Liviu
 

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hey Jose,

Are you able to spend a few minutes shedding some light on docbook using
Lyx? Is anyone else able to do so? I'm still anxiously awaiting.

Thanks,
Ryan

On 11/29/07, Ryan Cross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> FWIW,
> you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
> valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
> asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
> obvious reasons
>
> Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and 
> http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/
>
> I eagerly and anxiously await your input.
>
> -Ryan
>
> On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/27/07, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
> > interested in
> > > > docbook though)
> > >
> > >   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I
> > will
> > > return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
> > fortunately). :-)
> >
> > We're all waiting for this ^_^.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Liviu
> >
>
>
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
  docbook though)

   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
 return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

We're all waiting for this ^_^.

Regards,
Liviu

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

FWIW,
you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
obvious reasons

Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/

I eagerly and anxiously await your input.

-Ryan

On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
 interested in
   docbook though)
 
I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
  return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
 fortunately). :-)

 We're all waiting for this ^_^.

 Regards,
 Liviu

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
  docbook though)

   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
 return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

We're all waiting for this ^_^.

Regards,
Liviu

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

FWIW,
you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
obvious reasons

Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/

I eagerly and anxiously await your input.

-Ryan

On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 11/27/07, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
 interested in
   docbook though)
 
I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
  return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
 fortunately). :-)

 We're all waiting for this ^_^.

 Regards,
 Liviu

Re: DocBook Support?

[Liviu Andronic]

On 11/27/07, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
> > docbook though)
>
>   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
> return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

We're all waiting for this ^_^.

Regards,
Liviu

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

FWIW,
you can also see http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/DocBook but note that it is only
valid for lyx version 1.2 (and no other version). The reason I'm still
asking questions is that I would like to use the newer versions of lyx for
obvious reasons

Some other useful links are http://bgu.chez-alice.fr/doc/db4lyx/ and
http://www.karakas-online.de/mySGML/

I eagerly and anxiously await your input.

-Ryan

On 11/28/07, Liviu Andronic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 11/27/07, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly
> interested in
> > > docbook though)
> >
> >   I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will
> > return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month
> fortunately). :-)
>
> We're all waiting for this ^_^.
>
> Regards,
> Liviu
>

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 22:12:56 Ryan Cross wrote:
 I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
 referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
 documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc

 You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
 http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

 Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
 docbook though)

  I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will 
return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

 -Ryan

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 22:12:56 Ryan Cross wrote:
 I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
 referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
 documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc

 You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
 http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

 Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
 docbook though)

  I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will 
return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

 -Ryan

-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 22:12:56 Ryan Cross wrote:
> I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
> referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
> documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc
>
> You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
> http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools
>
> Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
> docbook though)

  I can and I will, but presently I am overloaded with real work. I will 
return to this issue as soon as my time permits (next month fortunately). :-)

> -Ryan

-- 
José Abílio

DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

-Ryan

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Hi,

 I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
 documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.

  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.

 Does 
 anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

 -Ryan



-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc

You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
docbook though)

-Ryan

On Nov 23, 2007 8:56 AM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
  documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.

  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.

  Does
  anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.
 
  -Ryan



 --
 José Abílio

DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

-Ryan

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
 Hi,

 I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
 documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.

  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.

 Does 
 anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

 -Ryan



-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc

You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
docbook though)

-Ryan

On Nov 23, 2007 8:56 AM, José Matos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
  documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.

  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.

  Does
  anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.
 
  -Ryan



 --
 José Abílio

DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

Hi,

I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more. Does
anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.

-Ryan

Re: DocBook Support?

[José Matos]

On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
> documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.

  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.

> Does 
> anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.
>
> -Ryan



-- 
José Abílio

Re: DocBook Support?

[Ryan Cross]

I don't know much about linuxdoc - but I am pretty sure I am correctly
referring to docbook. Its an xml format for generating multiple types of
documentation, pdf/html/chm (windows help files)/etc

You can see lyx linked directly from the docbook wiki
http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

Can you shed light on either docbook or linuxdoc? (I'm mostly interested in
docbook though)

-Ryan

On Nov 23, 2007 8:56 AM, José Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thursday 22 November 2007 10:40:03 Ryan Cross wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have seen some pointers to using Lyx for creating/editing DocBook
> > documents. However, the wiki suggests this isn't supported any more.
>
>  I think that you are referring to linuxdoc and not to docbook.
>
> > Does
> > anyone know how to do this? I'd like to use it with the current version.
> >
> > -Ryan
>
>
>
> --
> José Abílio
>

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

Hi Steve

I've cc'ed the list (I hope you don't mind - I couldn't see anything private
in your email)

LyX itself is OK, I've got through the first few hurdles, my LaTeX Companion
has arrived, I've created a new document style with its own set of character
styles and it works (well, sort of; the problems I have with it I know are
just a question of detail - e.g. stuff like images appearing at a different
scale in the LyX window and in the DVI/PDF output - and the user list or the
archives (or the LC) are good with the details).

The bit which I can't seem to fathom is the whole XML/LyX connection. This
is a big picture problem. I can load a small DocBook file into LyX and it
looks OK. I can edit this file, save it, and export it to DocBook - but only
to a super-simplified DocBook, AFAICT. In any case, our documents aren't
DocBook, but (if LyX could handle the full range of DocBook element
definitions) I could probably add an extra XSLT step so that they pass
through a DocBook version on their way in and out of LyX. Not as it stands,
however, because if I tried to roundtrip I'd lose most of my markup. I've
tried cloning the docbook layouts and adding my own character styles - but
when I do this the 'export to DocBook XML' option is no longer available.

If I dropped the DocBook pretence I'm confident that I could write XSLT
stylesheets to take our XML files and generate LyX documents for printing.

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML. That's a requirement because the principal output
method we use is either HTML or CSS-styled XML. And the LyX (or LaTeX) to
HTML path is still worse than useless.

If LyX really could act as an (excellent) editor for DocBook and
quasi-DocBook documents we'd be over the moon, Brian (sorry, gratuitous UK
sporting reference there).

Thanks for your reply

Cheers
Trevor

-Original Message-
From: Steve Litt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:59 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lyx tutorium

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 00:25, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
  LyX vs. Docbook: I believe that LyX can be used to front-end docbook.

 So I am led to understand (in principle), but if this is really true then
 it is one area where the LyX help files are sadly deficient. I'm quite
 willing to accept that it's my ignorance that is responsible for my
failure
 to get LyX working with the content of my documents - but there doesn't
 seem to be any practical information out there which addresses this
 ignorance.

I could be wrong about the front end to docbook thing.

As far as LyX help, I'd start here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Tutorials

http://tug.org/TeXnik/mainFAQ.cgi?file=docs

The docs are out there -- it's just hard to know which doc applies to your 
current needs.

SteveT

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
documents back into XML.


Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
  What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
  because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
  mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
  documents back into XML.

 Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
 its native format... 

Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my current 
VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.

Thanks

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Author: Universal Troubleshooting Process books and courseware
http://www.troubleshooters.com/

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

This is fantastic news!

Thank you very much

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 2:07 a.m.
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

 What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
 because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
 mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
 documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44
http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Steve Litt wrote:

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my 
current VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.


Yes. The program already exists for version up to 1.5 and is called 
'lyx2lyx'. New features after 1.6 might not be portable back to 1.5 
though.


/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
its native format... 


Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.


While I am not yet sure I agree with that, we are apparently heading to 
a simple XML format which will map one to one each tag of the current 
LyX format:


  \begin_xxx
  ...
  \end_xxx

will be replaced with:

  xxx
  ...
  /xxx

So I don't think it will become any more difficult to read and parse 
than the current format. Quite the contrary I would say ;-)


By the way, you keep talking about the VimOutliner, may I ask if you 
tried the new outline feature of 1.5? (Part of it is also in 1.4.4).


Abdel.

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

Hi Steve

I've cc'ed the list (I hope you don't mind - I couldn't see anything private
in your email)

LyX itself is OK, I've got through the first few hurdles, my LaTeX Companion
has arrived, I've created a new document style with its own set of character
styles and it works (well, sort of; the problems I have with it I know are
just a question of detail - e.g. stuff like images appearing at a different
scale in the LyX window and in the DVI/PDF output - and the user list or the
archives (or the LC) are good with the details).

The bit which I can't seem to fathom is the whole XML/LyX connection. This
is a big picture problem. I can load a small DocBook file into LyX and it
looks OK. I can edit this file, save it, and export it to DocBook - but only
to a super-simplified DocBook, AFAICT. In any case, our documents aren't
DocBook, but (if LyX could handle the full range of DocBook element
definitions) I could probably add an extra XSLT step so that they pass
through a DocBook version on their way in and out of LyX. Not as it stands,
however, because if I tried to roundtrip I'd lose most of my markup. I've
tried cloning the docbook layouts and adding my own character styles - but
when I do this the 'export to DocBook XML' option is no longer available.

If I dropped the DocBook pretence I'm confident that I could write XSLT
stylesheets to take our XML files and generate LyX documents for printing.

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML. That's a requirement because the principal output
method we use is either HTML or CSS-styled XML. And the LyX (or LaTeX) to
HTML path is still worse than useless.

If LyX really could act as an (excellent) editor for DocBook and
quasi-DocBook documents we'd be over the moon, Brian (sorry, gratuitous UK
sporting reference there).

Thanks for your reply

Cheers
Trevor

-Original Message-
From: Steve Litt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:59 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lyx tutorium

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 00:25, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
  LyX vs. Docbook: I believe that LyX can be used to front-end docbook.

 So I am led to understand (in principle), but if this is really true then
 it is one area where the LyX help files are sadly deficient. I'm quite
 willing to accept that it's my ignorance that is responsible for my
failure
 to get LyX working with the content of my documents - but there doesn't
 seem to be any practical information out there which addresses this
 ignorance.

I could be wrong about the front end to docbook thing.

As far as LyX help, I'd start here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Tutorials

http://tug.org/TeXnik/mainFAQ.cgi?file=docs

The docs are out there -- it's just hard to know which doc applies to your 
current needs.

SteveT

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
documents back into XML.


Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
  What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
  because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
  mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
  documents back into XML.

 Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
 its native format... 

Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my current 
VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.

Thanks

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Author: Universal Troubleshooting Process books and courseware
http://www.troubleshooters.com/

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

This is fantastic news!

Thank you very much

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 2:07 a.m.
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

 What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
 because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
 mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
 documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44
http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Steve Litt wrote:

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my 
current VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.


Yes. The program already exists for version up to 1.5 and is called 
'lyx2lyx'. New features after 1.6 might not be portable back to 1.5 
though.


/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
its native format... 


Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.


While I am not yet sure I agree with that, we are apparently heading to 
a simple XML format which will map one to one each tag of the current 
LyX format:


  \begin_xxx
  ...
  \end_xxx

will be replaced with:

  xxx
  ...
  /xxx

So I don't think it will become any more difficult to read and parse 
than the current format. Quite the contrary I would say ;-)


By the way, you keep talking about the VimOutliner, may I ask if you 
tried the new outline feature of 1.5? (Part of it is also in 1.4.4).


Abdel.

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

Hi Steve

I've cc'ed the list (I hope you don't mind - I couldn't see anything private
in your email)

LyX itself is OK, I've got through the first few hurdles, my LaTeX Companion
has arrived, I've created a new document style with its own set of character
styles and it works (well, sort of; the problems I have with it I know are
just a question of detail - e.g. stuff like images appearing at a different
scale in the LyX window and in the DVI/PDF output - and the user list or the
archives (or the LC) are good with the details).

The bit which I can't seem to fathom is the whole XML/LyX connection. This
is a big picture problem. I can load a small DocBook file into LyX and it
looks OK. I can edit this file, save it, and export it to DocBook - but only
to a super-simplified DocBook, AFAICT. In any case, our documents aren't
DocBook, but (if LyX could handle the full range of DocBook element
definitions) I could probably add an extra XSLT step so that they pass
through a DocBook version on their way in and out of LyX. Not as it stands,
however, because if I tried to roundtrip I'd lose most of my markup. I've
tried cloning the docbook layouts and adding my own character styles - but
when I do this the 'export to DocBook XML' option is no longer available.

If I dropped the DocBook pretence I'm confident that I could write XSLT
stylesheets to take our XML files and generate LyX documents for printing.

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML. That's a requirement because the principal output
method we use is either HTML or CSS-styled XML. And the LyX (or LaTeX) to
HTML path is still worse than useless.

If LyX really could act as an (excellent) editor for DocBook and
quasi-DocBook documents we'd be over the moon, Brian (sorry, gratuitous UK
sporting reference there).

Thanks for your reply

Cheers
Trevor

-Original Message-
From: Steve Litt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 4:59 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: lyx tutorium

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 00:25, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
> > LyX vs. Docbook: I believe that LyX can be used to front-end docbook.
>
> So I am led to understand (in principle), but if this is really true then
> it is one area where the LyX help files are sadly deficient. I'm quite
> willing to accept that it's my ignorance that is responsible for my
failure
> to get LyX working with the content of my documents - but there doesn't
> seem to be any practical information out there which addresses this
> ignorance.

I could be wrong about the "front end to docbook" thing.

As far as LyX help, I'd start here:

http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Tutorials

http://tug.org/TeXnik/mainFAQ.cgi?file=docs

The docs are out there -- it's just hard to know which doc applies to your 
current needs.

SteveT

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
documents back into XML.


Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.


/Christian

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Steve Litt]

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:
> > What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
> > because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
> > mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
> > documents back into XML.
>
> Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
> its native format... 

Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my current 
VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.

Thanks

SteveT
 
Steve Litt
Author: Universal Troubleshooting Process books and courseware
http://www.troubleshooters.com/

RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Trevor Nicholls]

This is fantastic news!

Thank you very much

Cheers
T

-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 2:07 a.m.
To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: RE: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

> What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor, 
> because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would 
> mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX 
> documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as 
its native format... Maybe that'll help, although you may want to chime in 
on the development list as to why XML is good, as some developers have 
started wonder about its purpose/usefulness.

/Christian

-- 
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44
http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[christian . ridderstrom]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Steve Litt wrote:

Will they have a 1.5 to 1.6 converter? If so, I can continue to use my 
current VimOutliner to LyX converter, and then simply convert.


Yes. The program already exists for version up to 1.5 and is called 
'lyx2lyx'. New features after 1.6 might not be portable back to 1.5 
though.


/C

--
Christian Ridderström, +46-8-768 39 44   http://www.md.kth.se/~chr

Re: lyx tutorium - docbook/xml

[Abdelrazak Younes]

Steve Litt wrote:

On Tuesday 12 June 2007 10:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007, Trevor Nicholls wrote:

What we'd really like is to be able to use LyX as our document editor,
because alternative XML editors really suck big time. However this would
mean we have to be able to go in the other direction, converting LyX
documents back into XML.

Currently the big change that is planned for LyX 1.6 is making use XML as
its native format... 


Oh No!

The current 1.4x native format is so easy to read and understand, and even to 
write. With an XML format, I'll need to hook an XML parser to Ruby. Worse 
yet, creating LyX programmatically (VimOutliner to LyX converter, for 
instance) will be challenging.


While I am not yet sure I agree with that, we are apparently heading to 
a simple XML format which will map "one to one" each tag of the current 
LyX format:


  \begin_xxx
  ...
  \end_xxx

will be replaced with:

  
  ...
  

So I don't think it will become any more difficult to read and parse 
than the current format. Quite the contrary I would say ;-)


By the way, you keep talking about the VimOutliner, may I ask if you 
tried the new outline feature of 1.5? (Part of it is also in 1.4.4).


Abdel.

Re: docbook and graphics within floating figure

[David Koski]

I worked arround the errors by writing a script that cleaned
the xml output of Lyx such that it changed inlinemediaobject
instances to mediaobject.  Furthermore, I had to create floating
figures with the title on top instead of the bottom.  Also,
'lang=en_US' had to be changed to 'lang=en'.

I take it the docbook XML feature of Lyx is seldom if ever used.

Regards,
David Koski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wednesday 06 June 2007 08:12, David Koski wrote:
 I am a new Lyx user using Debian 4.0, Lyx 1.4.3 and am trying to insert
 a graphic image within a floating figure in a Docbook (xml) document.
 My Document Class is set to DocBook book (SGML) and I am exporting
 to Docbook (XML) but I get errors:

 book.xml:16:18:E: document type does not allow element inlinemediaobject
 here; assuming missing title start-tag
 openjade:/home/users/dkoski/cvs/sutinen/doc/backup-with-bru-book/book.xml:2
8:20:E: document type does not allow element title here
 openjade:/home/users/dkoski/cvs/sutinen/doc/backup-with-bru-book/book.xml:2
8:70:E: end tag for title omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified

 My first line of defense (google and man pages) was to no avail.  In fact
 I found very little information that was relevant except for how to do
 what I had already done.  By trial and error (and examining the xml output
 of Lyx) I found that I could insert a graphic successfully outside a
 floating figure if I appended a label.  The same method failed for floating
 figures.  I found it odd that this seemingly trivial task would be so
 difficult to achieve.  If the two problems are related, I suspect it has
 to do with the placement of a para tag.  But this really has me stumped.

 The Lyx code is below followed by xml exported output from Lyx.

 Any help appreciated,
 David Koski
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 #LyX 1.4.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
 \lyxformat 245
 \begin_document
 \begin_header
 \textclass docbook-book
 \language english
 \inputencoding auto
 \fontscheme default
 \graphics default
 \paperfontsize default
 \spacing single
 \papersize default
 \use_geometry false
 \use_amsmath 1
 \cite_engine basic
 \use_bibtopic false
 \paperorientation portrait
 \secnumdepth 3
 \tocdepth 3
 \paragraph_separation indent
 \defskip medskip
 \quotes_language english
 \papercolumns 1
 \papersides 1
 \paperpagestyle default
 \tracking_changes false
 \output_changes false
 \end_header

 \begin_body

 \begin_layout Title
 My Book
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Chapter
 My Chapter
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Standard
 This is my chapter.
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Standard
 Text here.
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Standard
 \begin_inset Float figure
 wide false
 sideways false
 status open

 \begin_layout Title
 my title
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Standard
 \begin_inset Graphics
   filename gimp_screenshot.eps

 \end_inset


 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Caption
 \begin_inset LatexCommand \label{mylabel}

 \end_inset


 \end_layout

 \end_inset

 mycaption
 \end_layout

 \begin_layout Standard
 More text.
 \end_layout

 \end_body
 \end_document


 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=iso8859-1?
 !DOCTYPE book PUBLIC -//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML//EN
 http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/xml/4.2/docbookx.dtd; [
 !ENTITY graph1333 gimp_screenshot ]

 !-- XML file was created by LyX 1.4.3
   See http://www.lyx.org/ for more information --
 book lang=en_US
 bookinfo
 titleMy Book/title
 /bookinfochapter
 titleMy Chapter/title
 paraHi./para
 paraThis is my chapter./para
 figure
 inlinemediaobject
 imageobject
 imagedata fileref=graph1333;.png  role=png/
 /imageobject
 imageobject
 imagedata fileref=graph1333;.pdf  role=pdf/
 /imageobject
 imageobject
 imagedata fileref=graph1333;.eps  role=eps/
 /imageobject
 imageobject
 imagedata fileref=graph1333;.bmp 
 role=bmp//imageobject/inlinemediaobject title id=myfig1.
 myfig!-- anchor id=myfig1. --/title/figure paraText here./para
 paraMore text./para/chapter/book