Re: RE: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
hey all, it indeed works :-D Yay!!! Thanks to all. I just tested the lilypond feature, works great too :-). Considering to finish my guitar study book in lyx now too. I'll let you know when my first book is ready :-p. grtz, Bart Op schreef Helge Hafting : >So for an automatic TOC, numbered sections are a requirement. That's quite a >useless restriction. If I didn't wan'ta TOC I wouldn't insert one. And I >guess I'll have to add latex code to get rid of the numbering now, right? "section*" never go into the TOC, and it is never numbered either. All you get is the bigger bolder font. "section" goes into the TOC. It may or may not be numbered. No latex code needed for either approach. Menu Document->Settings->Numbering & TOC is what you want. Here you decide to what level among part,chapter,section,... there should be numbers, and to what level they should appear in the TOC. No latex, just a user-friendly dialog box. The default is to use numbering. After you change it, you may save the new setting as default - very useful if you plan on writing most of your future documents without numbering. The same goes for all the other document settings - you can change the default so you won't have to do it again for the next documents you write. You can also make empty template documents and save them to the template folder. Helge Hafting
RE: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
>So for an automatic TOC, numbered sections are a requirement. That's quite a >useless restriction. If I didn't wan't a TOC I wouldn't insert one. And I >guess I'll have to add latex code to get rid of the numbering now, right? "section*" never go into the TOC, and it is never numbered either. All you get is the bigger bolder font. "section" goes into the TOC. It may or may not be numbered. No latex code needed for either approach. Menu Document->Settings->Numbering & TOC is what you want. Here you decide to what level among part,chapter,section,... there should be numbers, and to what level they should appear in the TOC. No latex, just a user-friendly dialog box. The default is to use numbering. After you change it, you may save the new setting as default - very useful if you plan on writing most of your future documents without numbering. The same goes for all the other document settings - you can change the default so you won't have to do it again for the next documents you write. You can also make empty template documents and save them to the template folder. Helge Hafting
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
bart deruyter wrote: > So for an automatic TOC, numbered sections are a requirement. That's quite a > useless restriction. If I didn't wan't a TOC I wouldn't insert one. And I > guess I'll have to add latex code to get rid of the numbering now, right? http://wiki.lyx.org/FAQ/Numbering#unnumbered-toc-sections HTH, Jürgen
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
Richard, thanks for your offer to send you the lyx file, but at the moment it's not necessary. I think I got the hyphenation working, even though I don't know what I did. Yesterday evening, last pdf preview it showed the error in the log, now my pc is rebooted this morning, I take a look again, and hyphenation works as expected. Perhaps I did something right, but it needed to be reconfigured on a reboot. No idea why though. and about the Section* yes, I use these. Ahh, I get it, I should not have used the unnumbered sections!! What the hell? Now that is what I call thinking the wrong way about usability. It's like with that date thing. Adding the authors name to the title automatically adds todays date to it. You have to find a menu, somewhere and check 'suppress default date on front page', instead of just inserting 'date' to your page if you'd want it. So for an automatic TOC, numbered sections are a requirement. That's quite a useless restriction. If I didn't wan't a TOC I wouldn't insert one. And I guess I'll have to add latex code to get rid of the numbering now, right? grtz, Bart http://www.bartart3d.be/ 2011/8/5 Richard Heck > On 08/05/2011 03:52 PM, bart deruyter wrote: > >> Writing a book, I decided to use the book class. There are several book >> classes, but when adding a table of contents, suddenly all pages had 'Table >> of contents' in their header (I still don't understand why). The book class >> was the only one working properly, I thought at least. >> >> Why is it so hard to get good typesetting, automatic table of contents >> rendering, and plenty of other stuff? I yet have to find one tool that does >> the job properly without hassle, adding things, modifying things, looking >> for workarounds. There is always something going wrong. I don't want to code >> my book, I want to write it. >> >> > Would you mind sending me the LyX file privately? You are doing something > wrong, because this should just work, and does for tons and tons of people. > > You aren't using Section* and the like are you? > > Richard > >
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
On 08/05/2011 03:52 PM, bart deruyter wrote: Writing a book, I decided to use the book class. There are several book classes, but when adding a table of contents, suddenly all pages had 'Table of contents' in their header (I still don't understand why). The book class was the only one working properly, I thought at least. Why is it so hard to get good typesetting, automatic table of contents rendering, and plenty of other stuff? I yet have to find one tool that does the job properly without hassle, adding things, modifying things, looking for workarounds. There is always something going wrong. I don't want to code my book, I want to write it. Would you mind sending me the LyX file privately? You are doing something wrong, because this should just work, and does for tons and tons of people. You aren't using Section* and the like are you? Richard
Re: Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
Aparently the latex log file shows this : Package babel Warning: No hyphenation patterns were loaded for (babel) the language `Dutch' (babel) I will use the patterns loaded for \language=0 instead. I've searched with google, and I've found out some had to un-comment a line saying 'dutch nehyph.tex' . I even did not find those words, but I did find 'dutch loadhyph-nl.tex and it already is un-commented. When changed to hehyph.tex latex still throws the warning as shown above. grtz, Bart Weird, something I'm missing? Did the naming of hyphenation files change? Op schreef bart deruyter : Writing a book, I decided to use the book class. There are several book classes, but when adding a table of contents, suddenly all pages had 'Table of contents' in their header (I still don't understand why). The book class was the only one working properly, I thought at least. Why is it so hard to get good typesetting, automatic table of contents rendering, and plenty of other stuff? I yet have to find one tool that does the job properly without hassle, adding things, modifying things, looking for workarounds. There is always something going wrong. I don't want to code my book, I want to write it. Don't get me wrong, latex and lyx do a terrific job, but as with many open source tools there is always something extra that has to be done to get the job done right. I am actually getting tired of it. grtz, Bart http://www.bartart3d.be/ 2011/8/5 Richard Heck rgh...@comcast.net> On 08/05/2011 12:54 PM, bart.deruy...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the answer, I fixed the TOC trouble with latex command \addcontentsline, that seems to work. I thought that was not necessary in lyx, perhaps I'm wrong. No, that shouldn't be necessary. What document class are you using? Setting the font at 10 makes a difference indeed, but it still is not good at all. Can I easily edit the dutch hyphenation file? Perhaps my edits could be used as 'update' for others to use too. I am not sure about this, but you can add you own hyphenation rules via commands like: \hyphenation{for-mat-ting} These go into the preamble, or into a little package you can import. Richard
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
Writing a book, I decided to use the book class. There are several book classes, but when adding a table of contents, suddenly all pages had 'Table of contents' in their header (I still don't understand why). The book class was the only one working properly, I thought at least. Why is it so hard to get good typesetting, automatic table of contents rendering, and plenty of other stuff? I yet have to find one tool that does the job properly without hassle, adding things, modifying things, looking for workarounds. There is always something going wrong. I don't want to code my book, I want to write it. Don't get me wrong, latex and lyx do a terrific job, but as with many open source tools there is always something extra that has to be done to get the job done right. I am actually getting tired of it. grtz, Bart http://www.bartart3d.be/ 2011/8/5 Richard Heck > On 08/05/2011 12:54 PM, bart.deruy...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Thanks for the answer, >> >> I fixed the TOC trouble with latex command \addcontentsline, that seems to >> work. I thought that was not necessary in lyx, perhaps I'm wrong. >> >> > No, that shouldn't be necessary. What document class are you using? > > > Setting the font at 10 makes a difference indeed, but it still is not good >> at all. >> >> Can I easily edit the dutch hyphenation file? Perhaps my edits could be >> used as 'update' for others to use too. >> >> I am not sure about this, but you can add you own hyphenation rules via > commands like: >\hyphenation{for-mat-ting} > These go into the preamble, or into a little package you can import. > > Richard > >
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
On 08/05/2011 12:54 PM, bart.deruy...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the answer, I fixed the TOC trouble with latex command \addcontentsline, that seems to work. I thought that was not necessary in lyx, perhaps I'm wrong. No, that shouldn't be necessary. What document class are you using? Setting the font at 10 makes a difference indeed, but it still is not good at all. Can I easily edit the dutch hyphenation file? Perhaps my edits could be used as 'update' for others to use too. I am not sure about this, but you can add you own hyphenation rules via commands like: \hyphenation{for-mat-ting} These go into the preamble, or into a little package you can import. Richard
Re: Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
Thanks for the answer, I fixed the TOC trouble with latex command \addcontentsline, that seems to work. I thought that was not necessary in lyx, perhaps I'm wrong. Setting the font at 10 makes a difference indeed, but it still is not good at all. Can I easily edit the dutch hyphenation file? Perhaps my edits could be used as 'update' for others to use too. grtz, Bart Op schreef Richard Heck : On 08/05/2011 09:29 AM, bart deruyter wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to typeset my novel, that I want to publish soon. I have > started using lyx because it hides most of the technical stuff, so I > can concentrate on the writing. > > But I'm having quite some trouble to get things looking right, things > I thought were handled automatically. > > First of all, my TOC remains empty. As I understood, I just had to do > 'Insert -> list/TOC -> Table of contents. I do use the correct > paragraph types, Part, Chapter, section, subsection etc... so I > thought the TOC would be generated automatically when viewing the pdf, > but it does not. > Do these show up properly under the navigation menu? How about in the outline? You might also want to check under Document>Settings>Numbering & TOC. > Secondly, a novel is rarely printed on A4, and the company I'd like to > ask to print my book gives a discount on printing on A5 (printing on > demand service) so I thought changing the document setting page size > from A4 to A5. This obviously has a big influence on the flow of the > text. My language is Dutch, and hyphenation is horrible. I do have > texlive-lang-dutch installed. Also, words that can be split sometimes > are not, which results in many, many overfull \hbox (from LaTeX Log). > The margins are not followed. > I'd check the margins, for one thing; the default ones may be too wide for A5 paper. Also, you may want to reduce the font size. 10 point should be right. Hyphenation is entirely a LaTeX issue. Perhaps the hyphenation files for Dutch just aren't very good. I do not know. Richard
Re: TOC trouble and margins are not followed
On 08/05/2011 09:29 AM, bart deruyter wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to typeset my novel, that I want to publish soon. I have > started using lyx because it hides most of the technical stuff, so I > can concentrate on the writing. > > But I'm having quite some trouble to get things looking right, things > I thought were handled automatically. > > First of all, my TOC remains empty. As I understood, I just had to do > 'Insert -> list/TOC -> Table of contents. I do use the correct > paragraph types, Part, Chapter, section, subsection etc... so I > thought the TOC would be generated automatically when viewing the pdf, > but it does not. > Do these show up properly under the navigation menu? How about in the outline? You might also want to check under Document>Settings>Numbering & TOC. > Secondly, a novel is rarely printed on A4, and the company I'd like to > ask to print my book gives a discount on printing on A5 (printing on > demand service) so I thought changing the document setting page size > from A4 to A5. This obviously has a big influence on the flow of the > text. My language is Dutch, and hyphenation is horrible. I do have > texlive-lang-dutch installed. Also, words that can be split sometimes > are not, which results in many, many overfull \hbox (from LaTeX Log). > The margins are not followed. > I'd check the margins, for one thing; the default ones may be too wide for A5 paper. Also, you may want to reduce the font size. 10 point should be right. Hyphenation is entirely a LaTeX issue. Perhaps the hyphenation files for Dutch just aren't very good. I do not know. Richard