Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
   presentation, and
   I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
 I am
   actually
   needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
 does
   not get
   enough small. Is there some solution?
  
   Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
  
   http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
  
   Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
  
   I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
 size
   controls
   how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
 tiny
  would
   decrease also.
 
  Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
 text
  mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
  desired:
 
 
  \documentclass[12pt]{article}
  \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
  \supertinyfont}
 
  \begin{document}
  Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
  \end{document}
 
 
 
  Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
  \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
  supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
 can
  make it as small as you want!
 
  Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
  replace cmr10 by what?

 I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
 Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...

 None works. And I have

 $ locate mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
 $

 Paul


 Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
 in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
 something with mathpazo that works in equations:

 $$
 \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
 $$

 produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

 Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
 wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
 alternative solution is what you really want.

 Jens




Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
   presentation, and
   I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
 I am
   actually
   needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
 does
   not get
   enough small. Is there some solution?
  
   Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
  
   http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
  
   Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
  
   I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
 size
   controls
   how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
 tiny
  would
   decrease also.
 
  Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
 text
  mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
  desired:
 
 
  \documentclass[12pt]{article}
  \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
  \supertinyfont}
 
  \begin{document}
  Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
  \end{document}
 
 
 
  Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
  \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
  supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
 can
  make it as small as you want!
 
  Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
  replace cmr10 by what?

 I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
 Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...

 None works. And I have

 $ locate mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
 /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
 $

 Paul


 Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
 in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
 something with mathpazo that works in equations:

 $$
 \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
 $$

 produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

 Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
 wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
 alternative solution is what you really want.

 Jens




Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-15 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>> >>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>> >>  presentation, and
>>> >>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but
>>> I am
>>> >>  actually
>>> >>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table
>>> does
>>> >>  not get
>>> >>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font
>>> size
>>> >> > controls
>>> >> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then
>>> tiny
>>> >> would
>>> >> > decrease also.
>>> >>
>>> >> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in
>>> text
>>> >> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>>> >> desired:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>>> >> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>>> >> \supertinyfont}
>>> >>
>>> >> \begin{document}
>>> >> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>>> >> \end{document}
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>>> >> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>>> >> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you
>>> can
>>> >> make it as small as you want!
>>> >
>>> > Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
>>> > replace cmr10 by what?
>>>
>>> I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
>>> Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...
>>
>> None works. And I have
>>
>> $ locate mathpazo
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
>> /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
>> $
>>
>> Paul
>>
>
> Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this
> in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried
> something with mathpazo that works in equations:
>
> $$
> \fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
> $$
>
> produces a super tiny sine of alpha.
>
> Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's
> wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this
> alternative solution is what you really want.
>
> Jens
>
>
>

Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!
Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1}
{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.

\end{document}


Thanks again, Jens. I am trying to get a smaller size than the tiny
one, but in text mode and *not* in math mode.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear All
 
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}






Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear All
 
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
 
 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?

 Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

 http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

 Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

 I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
 controls
 how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

 decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
  presentation, and
  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

  actually
  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

  not get
  enough small. Is there some solution?
 
  Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
 
  http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
 
  Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
 
  I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

  controls
  how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

 would
  decrease also.

 Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

 mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
 desired:


 \documentclass[12pt]{article}
 \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
 \supertinyfont}

 \begin{document}
 Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
 \end{document}



 Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
 \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
 supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

 make it as small as you want!

 Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
 replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}






Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 6:32 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear All
> 
> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
> enough small. Is there some solution?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Paul

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html

Regards,
Bob Lounsbury




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
> enough small. Is there some solution?

Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Bob Lounsbury
On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer presentation, and
>>> I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am actually
>>> needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does not get
>>> enough small. Is there some solution?
>> 
>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> 
>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
> 
> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.

I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size controls
how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob




Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Bob Lounsbury wrote:


On 4/12/07 10:11 AM, "Paul Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 4/12/07, Bob Lounsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer  
presentation, and
I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am  
actually
needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does  
not get

enough small. Is there some solution?


Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html


Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.


I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size  
controls

how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
decrease also.

Bob





Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text  
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax  
\supertinyfont}


\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the  
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the  
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can  
make it as small as you want!


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
>>>
>>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>>
>>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>
>> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>
> I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
> controls
> how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny would
> decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is desired:


\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
 presentation, and
 I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
 actually
 needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
 not get
 enough small. Is there some solution?
>>>
>>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>>>
>>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>>
>> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>
> I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
> controls
> how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny  
would

> decrease also.

Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is  
desired:



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
\supertinyfont}

\begin{document}
Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
\end{document}



Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
\supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
make it as small as you want!


Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
replace cmr10 by what?

Paul




I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.  
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


Jens



Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Paul Smith

On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table does
>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font size
>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul


Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but I am
>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then tiny
>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in text
>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you can
>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this in  
text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's wrong  
on your side one would need an example. But maybe this alternative  
solution is what you really want.


Jens





Re: Wide tables with smaller than scriptsize letters

2007-04-12 Thread Jens Noeckel


On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Jens Noeckel wrote:



On Apr 12, 2007, at 5:00 PM, Paul Smith wrote:


On 4/13/07, Jens Noeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>  I have a wide table to insert in a slide of a Beamer
>>  presentation, and
>>  I have tried the solution \scriptsize + \normalsize, but  
I am

>>  actually
>>  needing a even smaller size than scriptsize, as the table  
does

>>  not get
>>  enough small. Is there some solution?
>> >>>
>> >>> Here is a listing of the available LaTeX font sizes.
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/latex/ltx-178.html
>> >>
>> >> Thanks, Bob. I am needing a size even smaller than tiny.
>> >
>> > I'm unaware of any smaller sizing. The default document font  
size

>> > controls
>> > how small tiny is. If you set the default font smaller then  
tiny

>> would
>> > decrease also.
>>
>> Using TeX in the preamble, you could do any size you want (in  
text

>> mode). Here is an example LaTeX file that seems to do what is
>> desired:
>>
>>
>> \documentclass[12pt]{article}
>> \def\supertiny{ \font\supertinyfont = cmr10 at 4pt \relax
>> \supertinyfont}
>>
>> \begin{document}
>> Hello \tiny Guten Tag \supertiny Hello \normalsize Goodbye
>> \end{document}
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, the \def ... goes into the LaTeX Preamble, and the
>> \supertiny command has to be entered as ERT. The size of the
>> supertiny font is 4pt as defined in the Preamble line, and you  
can

>> make it as small as you want!
>
> Thanks, Jens. In case one works with Mathpazo fonts, one should
> replace cmr10 by what?

I think it would be either zpplcmr, pplr, or fplmr instead of cmr10.
Maybe a font expert can correct me if I'm wrong...


None works. And I have

$ locate mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbb.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmbi.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmr.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/fonts/type1/public/mathpazo/fplmri.pfb
/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/psnfss/mathpazo.sty
$

Paul



Maybe this is another misunderstanding: are you trying to do this  
in text mode or in an equation environment? Anyway, I just tried  
something with mathpazo that works in equations:


$$
\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont\sin\alpha
$$

produces a super tiny sine of alpha.

Regarding my earlier solution, it works for me... to see what's  
wrong on your side one would need an example. But maybe this  
alternative solution is what you really want.


Jens





Correcting myself:
in a math equation, the font selection needs to be enclosed in an \mbox.
Here is a complete document that works as advertised. And it does NOT  
work properly if I comment out mathpazo!

Jens



\documentclass[12pt]{article}
\usepackage{mathpazo}
\begin{document}
With or without displaystyle:
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{6}\selectfont $\sin\alpha\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}}$}
$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{4}{5}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
$$
\mbox{\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont $\displaystyle\sin\alpha\frac{1} 
{\frac{1}{3}}$}

$$
\tiny For comparison, this is typed in tiny.
\normalsize Back to normal
\fontsize{2}{3}\selectfont If you can read this, you're using the  
zoom function. Or you're not using mathpazo.


\end{document}






Re: Wide tables

2004-09-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Lars Olesen wrote:
Hi,
Now I have made a wide table with 4 columns, but it is to wide to bee
on the page. I tried to use CTRL+ENTER to make a forced linebreak in a
heading, but it won't work in a table.
Not in general.  I think (not positive) that if you declare a column to 
have a fixed width, you can then break lines.
How can I for instance change the font-size in the table, or make
headings break on two lines?
To change the font, highlight the entire table, click Layout-Character, 
change the font size (upper right drop-down in the dialog window), and 
click OK.

-- Paul


Re: Wide tables

2004-09-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Lars Olesen wrote:
Hi,
Now I have made a wide table with 4 columns, but it is to wide to bee
on the page. I tried to use CTRL+ENTER to make a forced linebreak in a
heading, but it won't work in a table.
Not in general.  I think (not positive) that if you declare a column to 
have a fixed width, you can then break lines.
How can I for instance change the font-size in the table, or make
headings break on two lines?
To change the font, highlight the entire table, click Layout-Character, 
change the font size (upper right drop-down in the dialog window), and 
click OK.

-- Paul


Re: Wide tables

2004-09-23 Thread Paul A. Rubin
Lars Olesen wrote:
Hi,
Now I have made a wide table with 4 columns, but it is to wide to bee
on the page. I tried to use CTRL+ENTER to make a forced linebreak in a
heading, but it won't work in a table.
Not in general.  I think (not positive) that if you declare a column to 
have a fixed width, you can then break lines.
How can I for instance change the font-size in the table, or make
headings break on two lines?
To change the font, highlight the entire table, click Layout->Character, 
change the font size (upper right drop-down in the dialog window), and 
click OK.

-- Paul


Re: wide tables

1999-05-06 Thread Andreas Jahnen

Hi!

This is not a nice behavoir. You can enter at that position that the line
break should be a conrol+enter secence. That produces normaly the linefeed
command ("\\" in Latex) but in tables it produces a linefeed on the
screen. It isn't affecting the printed document.

Try it.

Andreas

---Reply to mail from Russ Ross about wide tables

 I'm creating tables of two columns where the first column is just a
 label, and the right column contains a paragraph or so of text.  I set
 the maximum width from the table layout dialog box, and it prints fine,
 but it is nearly impossible to edit.
 
 On the screen the body of text is displayed as a single horizontal line
 (ie, no word wrap) for each entry, and the displayed table is _very_
 wide.  There is no horizontal scroll bar, so the only way I seem to be
 able to work around it is to make the window as wide as I can, drag it
 most of the way off the screen, then widen it again, etc. until the
 part I want to edit is finally on the screen.
 
 Is there a way to get it to use word wrap when editing inside tables on
 the screen?  Either the fixed width that I specified for the table, or
 something convenient for the window size would be nice.  If not, I'd
 like to make a feature request :)
 
 Right now, I end up loading the .lyx file into vi or something like
 that to do editing of the table text, and that's really not a great way
 to do it.  Am I missing something simple here?  Is there another
 workaround?
 
 Thanks!
 
 - Russ
 
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Re: wide tables

1999-05-06 Thread Andreas Jahnen

Hi!

This is not a nice behavoir. You can enter at that position that the line
break should be a conrol+enter secence. That produces normaly the linefeed
command ("\\" in Latex) but in tables it produces a linefeed on the
screen. It isn't affecting the printed document.

Try it.

Andreas

---Reply to mail from Russ Ross about wide tables

 I'm creating tables of two columns where the first column is just a
 label, and the right column contains a paragraph or so of text.  I set
 the maximum width from the table layout dialog box, and it prints fine,
 but it is nearly impossible to edit.
 
 On the screen the body of text is displayed as a single horizontal line
 (ie, no word wrap) for each entry, and the displayed table is _very_
 wide.  There is no horizontal scroll bar, so the only way I seem to be
 able to work around it is to make the window as wide as I can, drag it
 most of the way off the screen, then widen it again, etc. until the
 part I want to edit is finally on the screen.
 
 Is there a way to get it to use word wrap when editing inside tables on
 the screen?  Either the fixed width that I specified for the table, or
 something convenient for the window size would be nice.  If not, I'd
 like to make a feature request :)
 
 Right now, I end up loading the .lyx file into vi or something like
 that to do editing of the table text, and that's really not a great way
 to do it.  Am I missing something simple here?  Is there another
 workaround?
 
 Thanks!
 
 - Russ
 
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Re: wide tables

1999-05-06 Thread Andreas Jahnen

Hi!

This is not a nice behavoir. You can enter at that position that the line
break should be a conrol+enter secence. That produces normaly the linefeed
command ("\\" in Latex) but in tables it produces a linefeed on the
screen. It isn't affecting the printed document.

Try it.

Andreas

---Reply to mail from Russ Ross about wide tables

> I'm creating tables of two columns where the first column is just a
> label, and the right column contains a paragraph or so of text.  I set
> the maximum width from the table layout dialog box, and it prints fine,
> but it is nearly impossible to edit.
> 
> On the screen the body of text is displayed as a single horizontal line
> (ie, no word wrap) for each entry, and the displayed table is _very_
> wide.  There is no horizontal scroll bar, so the only way I seem to be
> able to work around it is to make the window as wide as I can, drag it
> most of the way off the screen, then widen it again, etc. until the
> part I want to edit is finally on the screen.
> 
> Is there a way to get it to use word wrap when editing inside tables on
> the screen?  Either the fixed width that I specified for the table, or
> something convenient for the window size would be nice.  If not, I'd
> like to make a feature request :)
> 
> Right now, I end up loading the .lyx file into vi or something like
> that to do editing of the table text, and that's really not a great way
> to do it.  Am I missing something simple here?  Is there another
> workaround?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Russ
> 
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