Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) So it works similar to * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above, * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized... Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and Alignment? Alignment Line spacing (*) Default (*) Default ( ) Justified ( ) Single ( ) Left( ) 1.5 ( ) Center ( ) Double ( ) Right ( ) [text field] [x] Indent Paragraph (With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.) Günter
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) So it works similar to * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above, * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in EditText StyleCustomized... Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and Alignment? Alignment Line spacing (*) Default (*) Default ( ) Justified ( ) Single ( ) Left( ) 1.5 ( ) Center ( ) Double ( ) Right ( ) [text field] [x] Indent Paragraph (With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: Custom line spacing, e.g. 1.3ex.) Günter
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On 26.02.08, rgheck wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this > option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) So it works similar to * the [default] option in the line-spacing drop down list just above, * the [Reset] option in the drop down lists in Edit>Text Style>Customized... >>> Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button >>> should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would >>> "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the >>> "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. How about using two radiobutton lists in two columns for Line spacing and Alignment? Alignment Line spacing (*) Default (*) Default ( ) Justified ( ) Single ( ) Left( ) 1.5 ( ) Center ( ) Double ( ) Right ( ) [] [x] Indent Paragraph (With a tooltip for the custom line spacing text field saying: "Custom line spacing, e.g. 1.3ex".) Günter
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context would keep it accurate. I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job! jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here!
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that might be. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks! jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it says justified isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context would keep it accurate. I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job! jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here!
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that might be. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think justified would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that justified would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if justified is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks! jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. rh I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if "justified" is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! Now that I know that it does properly format what ever style, that it says "justified" isn't a problem. But then I don't know if it applies to every style to which it could be applied. If it does, I don't see a problem leaving it there since it would be accurate in that case. If it doesn't, then either leaving it out or having it change by context would keep it accurate. I can see why this detail was a long discussion. I hope my user-feedback is of some help. You guys are doing an awesome job! jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here!
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! The short version of why it doesn't say that is that, if there's no special formatting, then that box will be checked to represent that there is no special formatting. But I suppose we could change the label depending upon which situation we're in. I just noticed that these imported docs have some rag-right (left) formatting in them which were left over from the import, and some randomly justified paragraphs. In this case the button as labeled makes perfect sense because that's what it does. Right. And if you have a bunch of paragraphs that are differently formatted, Default will set them all to their default, whatever that might be. But where I ran into this was in trying to format a footnote to which I wouldn't think "justified" would apply except for the fact that the marker is in a justified paragraph. From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if "justified" is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if "justified" is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. Richard I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if "justified" is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: From my view I was trying to format a footnote and get rid of an extra blank line in the footnote footer region. So it didn't occur to me that "justified" would apply to that. But maybe it does. (paragraph formatting is otherwise defined in the class?) I think that even if "justified" is correct, it was a little mis-leading -- perhaps just due to my ignorance. However the original text "Apply Paragraph's Default Alignment" by itself is accurate because it would have implied to me that it might properly format a footnote -- which it does! In principle, a footnote could be formatted differently from the main text---though that would look quite silly. It may be that 1.6 won't allow such customization in footnotes. It probably shouldn't if it does. I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning customizing them. I'm happy with how it fixed them. If it continues to standardize them, then that'll be great. What I meant was: Maybe LyX shouldn't have permitted the problem in the first place. Ah -- I see. Yeah -- that would be good. Thanks! jf
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote: 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. The bug is that clicking Update does nothing. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined by the context. I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so. Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues -- only imported latex as far as I've found. jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want? :-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the program for a later version. :-) jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote: 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. The bug is that clicking Update does nothing. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined by the context. I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so. Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues -- only imported latex as far as I've found. jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck [EMAIL PROTECTED]: You don't have Use Paragraph's Default Alignment? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says [justified] But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would Default by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the [Justified] part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if justified wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say Remove Paragraph Formatting? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! How about Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want? :-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the program for a later version. :-) jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:00 PM, Richard Heck wrote: 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. The bug is that clicking "Update" does nothing. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! That's not a bug but is how it's supposed to work, I think. The idea is that you're keeping the window open but only updating it when you ask for it to be updated. On slow machines, this is crucial. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. I'm guessing that the problem here is that you have paragraph alignment set in the text you are cutting, and then that is added to the footnote when you paste. Paste works that way. Maybe it shouldn't. Probably would be good if it didn't since the intended use would be the characters not their paragraph attributes which would be defined by the context. I also found that I had to delete and retype section and chapter titles in these docs that were converted from latex. Probably the default paragraph alignment would fix this too though now I'm unable to re-create the problem because I'll need a new import to do so. Newly typed text is not a problem with any of these formatting issues -- only imported latex as far as I've found. jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting rgheck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: You don't have "Use Paragraph's Default Alignment"? The point of this option is to undo customization. That's why I added it. ;-) Ah! I didn't try it before because it says "[justified]" But this indeed fixes the formatting of the pasted footnote content. Thanks! Hmm. We had a really, really long discussion about what this button should say. And now it looks as if maybe we chose badly. Would "Default" by itself have been clearer? Or would removing the "[Justified]" part have been helpful? I'd like to get this right. rh My take is that if "justified" wasn't there I probably would have tried it. But if it actually removes paragraph formatting (even if it resorts to the default for the context) wouldn't it be clearer to say "Remove Paragraph Formatting"? I'm surmising it's doing both. So I understand the problem in the wording. And I appreciate your interest in the detail here! How about "Remove the paragraph formatting you didn't really want?" :-) But then you might want to save the telepathic features of the program for a later version. :-) jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. 4) editing source from within LyX. This is not currently possible. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. thanks -- I'll try that. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-) jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. 4) editing source from within LyX. This is not currently possible. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting Bennett Helm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. thanks -- I'll try that. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the Automatic update option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-) jamie faunt
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. 4) editing source from within LyX. This is not currently possible. Bennett
Re: footnotes problem, .rtf import, view source on 1.5.3
Quoting Bennett Helm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... In summary, I'm mentioning a few problems here: Main one is: 1) creating a footnote from existing text causing unusable formatting. I'm not following your description of this problem. Is the problem that when you copy and paste, LyX is copying the paragraph formatting? -- If so, you can edit the formatting by selecting Edit > Paragraph Settings I've tried to fix it with Edit > Paragraph by selecting just the footnote text as well as the whole paragraph. Doesn't solve it -- presumably because it doesn't have an option to undo the formatting -- I can only choose, left, right, justified or centered. The problem is that when I create a new footnote and paste text into it from elsewhere, (OR if I select text and execute footnote -- either way) it adds a whole blank line between the footnote number and the footnote text in the dvi or ps view of the footnote footer. Seems that in earlier versions of LyX this was never a problem. Now the only way I can do it is to completely re-type the footnote contents. 2) being able to import .rtf files I've found it's easiest to convert .rtf to .tex, then edit the .tex file to clean it up, removing all the excess formatting with simple search and replace, and then import into LyX. thanks -- I'll try that. 3) Getting view source to view the paragraph in which the cursor resides as the User Guide says it will. It seems like this problem arises when the "Automatic update" option is unchecked; this indeed seems to be a bug. The workaround is to check that option, and everything should work as expected -- at least it does for me. Yes -- you're right -- this solves it. Thanks! Thanks also for the keystroke for copyright. That works. :-) jamie faunt