Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-16, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin:
It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your
document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman
and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not
contain the needed glyph.
Mathpazo includes (part of) fixmath.sty by the same author. This means that
selecting a math alphabet affects both Greek and Latin letters.
In contrast, with CM or Latin Modern, the default LaTeX behaviour is kept:
Greek letters behave like non-letter symbols and do not change inside a
\math... alphabet:
In the following minimal example:
\documentclass{article}
% \usepackage{lmodern}
% \usepackage{mathpazo}
\usepackage[garamond]{mathdesign}
\usepackage{isomath}
\begin{document}
$VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon$
$\mathrm{VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon}$
$\mathbold{VIC \Gamma \varepsilon}$
\end{document}
the Greek letters inside \mathrm{...} are still italic with
\usepackage{lmodern} and garbage characters with mathpazo.
The only package that supports upright Greek characters via
\mathrm{\alpha ... \Omega} is mathdesign in combination with isomath.
For details see the isomath documentation.
Günter
Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-16, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin:
It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your
document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman
and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not
contain the needed glyph.
Mathpazo includes (part of) fixmath.sty by the same author. This means that
selecting a math alphabet affects both Greek and Latin letters.
In contrast, with CM or Latin Modern, the default LaTeX behaviour is kept:
Greek letters behave like non-letter symbols and do not change inside a
\math... alphabet:
In the following minimal example:
\documentclass{article}
% \usepackage{lmodern}
% \usepackage{mathpazo}
\usepackage[garamond]{mathdesign}
\usepackage{isomath}
\begin{document}
$VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon$
$\mathrm{VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon}$
$\mathbold{VIC \Gamma \varepsilon}$
\end{document}
the Greek letters inside \mathrm{...} are still italic with
\usepackage{lmodern} and garbage characters with mathpazo.
The only package that supports upright Greek characters via
\mathrm{\alpha ... \Omega} is mathdesign in combination with isomath.
For details see the isomath documentation.
Günter
Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-16, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin:
>> It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your
>> document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman
>> and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not
>> contain the needed glyph.
Mathpazo includes (part of) fixmath.sty by the same author. This means that
selecting a math alphabet affects both Greek and Latin letters.
In contrast, with CM or Latin Modern, the default LaTeX behaviour is kept:
Greek letters behave like non-letter symbols and do not change inside a
\math... alphabet:
In the following minimal example:
\documentclass{article}
% \usepackage{lmodern}
% \usepackage{mathpazo}
\usepackage[garamond]{mathdesign}
\usepackage{isomath}
\begin{document}
$VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon$
$\mathrm{VIC \Gamma vic \gamma \varepsilon}$
$\mathbold{VIC \Gamma \varepsilon}$
\end{document}
the Greek letters inside \mathrm{...} are still italic with
\usepackage{lmodern} and garbage characters with mathpazo.
The only package that supports upright Greek characters via
\mathrm{\alpha ... \Omega} is mathdesign in combination with isomath.
For details see the isomath documentation.
Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not contain the needed glyph. Paul Thanks, Paul, good to know. Will try to find another font. Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not contain the needed glyph. Paul Thanks, Paul, good to know. Will try to find another font. Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
Am Mittwoch, 16. Januar 2013, 00:11:05 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: > It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your > document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman > and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not > contain the needed glyph. > > Paul Thanks, Paul, good to know. Will try to find another font. Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not contain the needed glyph. Paul
Re: mathrm
It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not contain the needed glyph. Paul
Re: mathrm
It's some sort of font issue. I replicated the problem with your document here, then changed the Roman font from Palatino to Times Roman and got the expected output. I suspect the mathpazo package may not contain the needed glyph. Paul
Re: mathrm
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2013, 00:01:15 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: Works for me. Paul Thanks, Paul your example works here too, but not the original. Must have to do with my setting (Koma script?) Would you mind to try it out? Thanks Wolfgang Test-greek.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-10, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: I try to convert CKI\varepsilon into mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing something? Upright Greek is a known problem. * By default, Greek letters are treated as symbols, not letters and left as-is if put into \mathrm or other \math... alphabets (i.e. you will still get an italic character). * with the fixmath or isomath package, math alphabet changes work for latin and greek letters. The downside is, that in the default upright (roman) math fonts, the Greek letters are missing and you will get garbage. See e.g. the isomath packages documentation for a buch of workarounds. http://www.ctan.org/pkg/isomath Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2013, 00:01:15 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: Works for me. Paul Thanks, Paul your example works here too, but not the original. Must have to do with my setting (Koma script?) Would you mind to try it out? Thanks Wolfgang Test-greek.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-10, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: I try to convert CKI\varepsilon into mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing something? Upright Greek is a known problem. * By default, Greek letters are treated as symbols, not letters and left as-is if put into \mathrm or other \math... alphabets (i.e. you will still get an italic character). * with the fixmath or isomath package, math alphabet changes work for latin and greek letters. The downside is, that in the default upright (roman) math fonts, the Greek letters are missing and you will get garbage. See e.g. the isomath packages documentation for a buch of workarounds. http://www.ctan.org/pkg/isomath Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2013, 00:01:15 schrieb Paul A. Rubin: > Works for me. > > Paul Thanks, Paul your example works here too, but not the original. Must have to do with my setting (Koma script?) Would you mind to try it out? Thanks Wolfgang Test-greek.lyx Description: application/lyx
Re: mathrm
On 2013-01-10, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote: > I try to convert > CKI\varepsilon > into > mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' > Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing > something? Upright Greek is a known problem. * By default, Greek letters are treated as symbols, not letters and left as-is if put into \mathrm or other \math... alphabets (i.e. you will still get an italic character). * with the fixmath or isomath package, math alphabet changes work for latin and greek letters. The downside is, that in the default upright (roman) math fonts, the Greek letters are missing and you will get garbage. See e.g. the isomath packages documentation for a buch of workarounds. http://www.ctan.org/pkg/isomath Günter
mathrm
I try to convert CKI\varepsilon into mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing something? Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
Works for me.
Paul
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I try to convert CKI\varepsilon into mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing something? Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
Works for me.
Paul
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I try to convert CKI\varepsilon into mathrm, but that gives me CKI'' Is this known, that greek characters do not convert, or am I missing something? Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
Works for me.
Paul
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I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
But it compiles? I have tested it out of the box and it does so.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
Do the messages appear:
* when typing the commands in a math-box
* when selecting the text \mathrm{K}^{+} and converting to math with
Ctrl-m
* when opening a file containing this math, or
* when compiling?
Maybe a minimal example file could help further (e.g. to see whether it
is not *missing* a package but *using* a package that creates the
problem).
Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2012, 14:53:38 schrieb Guenter Milde:
On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx
has to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
The reason for the error messages was not the \mathrm{K}^{+} in the text,
as a minimal example showed, but an entrance in a reference, which I got
from a data bank. Shame on me, I should have checked first with and without
bibliography.
Thanks Guenter and Julio,
Wolfgang
mathrm
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
But it compiles? I have tested it out of the box and it does so.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
Do the messages appear:
* when typing the commands in a math-box
* when selecting the text \mathrm{K}^{+} and converting to math with
Ctrl-m
* when opening a file containing this math, or
* when compiling?
Maybe a minimal example file could help further (e.g. to see whether it
is not *missing* a package but *using* a package that creates the
problem).
Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2012, 14:53:38 schrieb Guenter Milde:
On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx
has to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
The reason for the error messages was not the \mathrm{K}^{+} in the text,
as a minimal example showed, but an entrance in a reference, which I got
from a data bank. Shame on me, I should have checked first with and without
bibliography.
Thanks Guenter and Julio,
Wolfgang
mathrm
I use
\mathrm{K}^{+}
to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
to do with it:
[Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
mathalpha]]]
Do I have to include some package or use another method?
Wolfgang
Re: mathrm
But it compiles? I have tested it out of the box and it does so.
-
Julio Rojas
jcredbe...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Wolfgang Engelmann <
engelm...@uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
> I use
> \mathrm{K}^{+}
> to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
> and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
> to do with it:
>
> [Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
> mathalpha]]]
>
> Do I have to include some package or use another method?
>
> Wolfgang
>
Re: mathrm
On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> I use
> \mathrm{K}^{+}
> to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
> and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx has
> to do with it:
> [Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
> mathalpha]]]
> Do I have to include some package or use another method?
I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
Do the messages appear:
* when typing the commands in a math-box
* when selecting the text \mathrm{K}^{+} and converting to math with
Ctrl-m
* when opening a file containing this math, or
* when compiling?
Maybe a minimal example file could help further (e.g. to see whether it
is not *missing* a package but *using* a package that creates the
problem).
Günter
Re: mathrm
Am Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2012, 14:53:38 schrieb Guenter Milde:
> On 2012-01-05, Wolfgang Engelmann wrote:
> > I use
> > \mathrm{K}^{+}
> > to get an upright K^+ (K-Ion) (and other items such as units)
> > and guess the following message on the terminal from which I start lyx
> > has to do with it:
> >
> > [Unknown [sub [mathrm [char E mathalpha]] [char e mathalpha][char x
> > mathalpha]]]
> >
> > Do I have to include some package or use another method?
>
> I cannot reproduce this. No messages appear on my terminal (LyX svn on
> Debian Linux started from x-terminal emulator).
The reason for the error messages was not the \mathrm{K}^{+} in the text,
as a minimal example showed, but an entrance in a reference, which I got
from a data bank. Shame on me, I should have checked first with and without
bibliography.
Thanks Guenter and Julio,
Wolfgang
weird \mathrm error
hi all I'm getting this strange \mathrm allowed only in math mode when my appendix chapters contain equation arrays. This is a latex error and also happens when I export to latex and run latex on the file. Would someone be familiar with cases when this comes up? I ran chktex on my latex file but I got only warnings, no errors. So I'm guessing a mismatched '$' is not the cause. Thanks, Manoj
weird \mathrm error
hi all I'm getting this strange \mathrm allowed only in math mode when my appendix chapters contain equation arrays. This is a latex error and also happens when I export to latex and run latex on the file. Would someone be familiar with cases when this comes up? I ran chktex on my latex file but I got only warnings, no errors. So I'm guessing a mismatched '$' is not the cause. Thanks, Manoj
weird \mathrm error
hi all I'm getting this strange "\mathrm allowed only in math mode" when my appendix chapters contain equation arrays. This is a latex error and also happens when I export to latex and run latex on the file. Would someone be familiar with cases when this comes up? I ran chktex on my latex file but I got only warnings, no errors. So I'm guessing a mismatched '$' is not the cause. Thanks, Manoj
Re: binding mathrm
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:37:27 -0400 nick afshartous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. \bind C-mmath-mode \bind C-rmathrm you can try \bind C-rmath-insert \mathrm Eric When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows unknown function. Thanks for any tips. -- Nick
Re: binding mathrm
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:37:27 -0400 nick afshartous [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. \bind C-mmath-mode \bind C-rmathrm you can try \bind C-rmath-insert \mathrm Eric When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows unknown function. Thanks for any tips. -- Nick
Re: binding mathrm
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:37:27 -0400 nick afshartous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but > the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. > > > \bind "C-m""math-mode" > \bind "C-r""mathrm" you can try \bind "C-r""math-insert \mathrm" Eric > > When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows "unknown > function". > > Thanks for any tips. > -- > Nick >
binding mathrm
Hi, In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. \bind C-mmath-mode \bind C-rmathrm When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows unknown function. Thanks for any tips. -- Nick
binding mathrm
Hi, In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. \bind C-mmath-mode \bind C-rmathrm When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows unknown function. Thanks for any tips. -- Nick
binding mathrm
Hi, In my .bind file I could bind math-mode but the binding for mathrm below does not seem to take effect. \bind "C-m""math-mode" \bind "C-r""mathrm" When I hit C-r inside math mode the display bar shows "unknown function". Thanks for any tips. -- Nick
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:12:39 +0100
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
If you want to typeset text inside a formula with the same font as
normal text, use \text from amsmath. That's precisely what it is made
for. (Ever wondered what the rm in \textrm means? ;-) )
Yours,
Karsten
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:12:39PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
\rm is Roman so you explicitly ask for serifs.
Which is btw correct typesetting for things like \sin etc even in
sans serif slides.
A solution for \sf text within math would be to use AMS's \text.
Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 03:59:52PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. \text works too. Which would you use? I thought \textnormal is standard LaTeX and \text is AMS. Not sure and don't know the difference... Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:45:28 +0200 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is btw correct typesetting for things like \sin etc even in sans serif slides. I think beamer makes it right when typesetting operators like sin sans-serif. If you want math with serif letters you can always specify mathserif as an document option. Gruß, Karsten
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:12:39 +0100
Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
If you want to typeset text inside a formula with the same font as
normal text, use \text from amsmath. That's precisely what it is made
for. (Ever wondered what the rm in \textrm means? ;-) )
Yours,
Karsten
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:12:39PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
\rm is Roman so you explicitly ask for serifs.
Which is btw correct typesetting for things like \sin etc even in
sans serif slides.
A solution for \sf text within math would be to use AMS's \text.
Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 03:59:52PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. \text works too. Which would you use? I thought \textnormal is standard LaTeX and \text is AMS. Not sure and don't know the difference... Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:45:28 +0200 Andre Poenitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is btw correct typesetting for things like \sin etc even in sans serif slides. I think beamer makes it right when typesetting operators like sin sans-serif. If you want math with serif letters you can always specify mathserif as an document option. Gruß, Karsten
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 14:12:39 +0100
Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
> those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
> create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
>
> It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
> \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
> with \textrm. See attached test case.
If you want to typeset text inside a formula with the same font as
normal text, use \text from amsmath. That's precisely what it is made
for. (Ever wondered what the rm in \textrm means? ;-) )
Yours,
Karsten
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 02:12:39PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote:
> I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
> those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
> create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
>
> It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
> \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
> with \textrm. See attached test case.
\rm is "Roman" so you explicitly ask for serifs.
Which is btw "correct typesetting" for things like \sin etc even in
sans serif slides.
A solution for \sf text within math would be to use AMS's \text.
Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 03:59:52PM +0100, Angus Leeming wrote: > Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not > > set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any > > case. > > I don't know. That's why I'm asking. > > I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. > \text works too. > > Which would you use? I thought \textnormal is standard LaTeX and \text is AMS. Not sure and don't know the difference... Andre'
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:45:28 +0200 Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is btw "correct typesetting" for things like \sin etc even in > sans serif slides. I think beamer makes it right when typesetting operators like sin sans-serif. If you want math with serif letters you can always specify mathserif as an document option. Gruß, Karsten
latex beamer and \mathrm
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
My question: is the fault with latexbeamer or with me? Should I need
to redefine these commands to use a sans serifed font? If so, what
magic do I need?
Juergen, I guess that you have close links with the class' author.
Could I get you to pass this info on? (Assuming that latexbeamer
should do the right thing here.)
--
Angus#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
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An equation
\layout Standard
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D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
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\end_inset
\layout EndFrame
\the_end
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer
class. Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic*
class with Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed
font. Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is
different from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not
assume that roman is always the default font. The same applies to
foilTeX, BTW.
Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable? Of
course I can define a math macro
\newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really what I'm
expected to do here?
--
Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly). It
does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as default
font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically? In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
If you use directly LaTeX, could you give examples that cause you
grief? I am sure it is possible to find some working alternative that
does not seem unnatural.
JMarc
PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:09:16 +0200
X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 40EE98FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail
(http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)!
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to
keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif]
class option.
Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and compatibility.
The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory.
This is really a great package.
--
Jean-Pierre
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif] class option. Thanks for this info, Jean-Pierre. Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and compatibility. The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory. This is really a great package. Agreed. -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Angus Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to
also Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
default font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically?
D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
Ah. \textnormal. That's *exactly* what I'm looking for.
Thank you, JMarc.
PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Ok.
--
Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Shrug. I expect a class that
Angus redefines the default font to
also Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
default font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically?
Angus D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
Angus duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set
the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. \text works too. Which would you use? -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angus I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal Angus works. \text works too. Angus Which would you use? I don't know. To be fair, I did not know about \textnormal, but it looks like a good candidate. JMarc
latex beamer and \mathrm
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
My question: is the fault with latexbeamer or with me? Should I need
to redefine these commands to use a sans serifed font? If so, what
magic do I need?
Juergen, I guess that you have close links with the class' author.
Could I get you to pass this info on? (Assuming that latexbeamer
should do the right thing here.)
--
Angus#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass beamer
\begin_preamble
\usepackage{beamerthemesplit}
\end_preamble
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme ae
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default
\layout Section
Introduction
\layout BeginFrame
An equation
\layout Standard
\begin_inset Formula \[
D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
\end_inset
\layout EndFrame
\the_end
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer
class. Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic*
class with Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed
font. Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is
different from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not
assume that roman is always the default font. The same applies to
foilTeX, BTW.
Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable? Of
course I can define a math macro
\newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really what I'm
expected to do here?
--
Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly). It
does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as default
font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically? In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
If you use directly LaTeX, could you give examples that cause you
grief? I am sure it is possible to find some working alternative that
does not seem unnatural.
JMarc
PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:09:16 +0200
X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 40EE98FC.000 by Joe's j-chkmail
(http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)!
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
Angus (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
Angus which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
Angus Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to
keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif]
class option.
Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and compatibility.
The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory.
This is really a great package.
--
Jean-Pierre
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif] class option. Thanks for this info, Jean-Pierre. Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and compatibility. The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory. This is really a great package. Agreed. -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
Angus Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to
also Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
default font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically?
D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
Ah. \textnormal. That's *exactly* what I'm looking for.
Thank you, JMarc.
PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Ok.
--
Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Angus Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Shrug. I expect a class that
Angus redefines the default font to
also Angus redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
default font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus Of course I can define a math macro
Angus \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically?
Angus D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
Angus duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set
the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. \text works too. Which would you use? -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Angus == Angus Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Angus I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal Angus works. \text works too. Angus Which would you use? I don't know. To be fair, I did not know about \textnormal, but it looks like a good candidate. JMarc
latex beamer and \mathrm
I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class. (For
those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with which to
create pdf presentations. See http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
\mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font. Ditto
with \textrm. See attached test case.
My question: is the fault with latexbeamer or with me? Should I need
to redefine these commands to use a sans serifed font? If so, what
magic do I need?
Juergen, I guess that you have close links with the class' author.
Could I get you to pass this info on? (Assuming that latexbeamer
should "do the right thing" here.)
--
Angus#LyX 1.3 created this file. For more info see http://www.lyx.org/
\lyxformat 221
\textclass beamer
\begin_preamble
\usepackage{beamerthemesplit}
\end_preamble
\language english
\inputencoding auto
\fontscheme ae
\graphics default
\paperfontsize default
\spacing single
\papersize Default
\paperpackage a4
\use_geometry 0
\use_amsmath 0
\use_natbib 0
\use_numerical_citations 0
\paperorientation portrait
\secnumdepth 3
\tocdepth 3
\paragraph_separation indent
\defskip medskip
\quotes_language english
\quotes_times 2
\papercolumns 1
\papersides 1
\paperpagestyle default
\layout Section
Introduction
\layout BeginFrame
An equation
\layout Standard
\begin_inset Formula \[
D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
\end_inset
\layout EndFrame
\the_end
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
>>>>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
Angus> (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
Angus> which to create pdf presentations. See
Angus> http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
Angus> It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
Angus> \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
Angus> Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer
> class. Angus> (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic*
> class with Angus> which to create pdf presentations. See
> Angus> http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
>
> Angus> It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
> Angus> \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed
> font. Angus> Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
>
> What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is
> different from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not
> assume that roman is always the default font. The same applies to
> foilTeX, BTW.
Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable? Of
course I can define a math macro
\newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really what I'm
expected to do here?
--
Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to also
Angus> redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so unreasonable?
Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly). It
does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as default
font is kind of irrelevant.
\defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
Angus> Of course I can define a math macro
Angus> \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
Angus> and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus> what I'm expected to do here?
How do you use this typically? In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
If you use directly LaTeX, could you give examples that cause you
grief? I am sure it is possible to find some working alternative that
does not seem unnatural.
JMarc
PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Subject: Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
>>From: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:09:16 +0200
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>>
>>>>>>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>Angus> I've noticed one small peculiarity with the latex beamer class.
>>Angus> (For those that don't know it, it's a *fantastic* class with
>>Angus> which to create pdf presentations. See
>>Angus> http://latex-beamer.sf.net)
>>
>>Angus> It uses a nice, sans serif font by default, but I find that
>>Angus> \mathrm{foo} results in foo being typeset with a serifed font.
>>Angus> Ditto with \textrm. See attached test case.
>>
>>What's the problem? The default font is sans-serif, which is different
>>from roman. You get what you ask for. You should not assume that roman
>>is always the default font. The same applies to foilTeX, BTW.
Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to
keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif]
class option.
Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and compatibility.
The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory.
This is really a great package.
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Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Pierre Chretien wrote: > Those who are accustomed to serified math fonts and want to > keep the good-looking sans-serif text font may use the [mathserif] > class option. Thanks for this info, Jean-Pierre. > Till Tantau made a real good work about customization and > compatibility. The command names are lengthy, but self-explanatory. > This is really a great package. Agreed. -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> Angus> Shrug. I expect a class that redefines the default font to
> also Angus> redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
> unreasonable?
>
> Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
> It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
> default font is kind of irrelevant.
>
> \defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
>
> Angus> Of course I can define a math macro
>
> Angus> \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
>
> Angus> and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
> Angus> what I'm expected to do here?
>
> How do you use this typically?
D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
> In LyX 'M-c space' should change the
> font to the right one (unless there is a bug).
Ah. \textnormal. That's *exactly* what I'm looking for.
Thank you, JMarc.
> PS: I would be very grateful if you could take a look at the patch I
> just sent to lyx-devel. I need Qt help.
Ok.
--
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Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
>>>>> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angus> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: Shrug. I expect a class that
Angus> redefines the default font to
>> also Angus> redefine the default elsewhere too. Is that so
>> unreasonable?
>>
>> Well, roman in LaTeX world means serif (if I understand correctly).
>> It does not mean default. The fact that most classes use roman as
>> default font is kind of irrelevant.
>>
>> \defaultfont anlways select the default font, OTOH.
>>
Angus> Of course I can define a math macro
>>
Angus> \newcommand{\mathtext}[1]{\mathsf{#1}}
>>
Angus> and use it to separate markup from input, but is that really
Angus> what I'm expected to do here?
>> How do you use this typically?
Angus> D_{\mathrm{eff}}=D_{\mathrm{mol}}\frac{A_{\mathrm{central\:
Angus> duct}}}{A_{\mathrm{whole}}}\]
Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not set
the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any case.
JMarc
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > Isn't amsmath' \text what you need here (or \mbox, but it will not > set the size correctly). Normal text should not use mathrm, in any > case. I don't know. That's why I'm asking. I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal works. \text works too. Which would you use? -- Angus
Re: latex beamer and \mathrm
> "Angus" == Angus Leeming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Angus> I want a properly typeset subscripted phrase. \textnormal Angus> works. \text works too. Angus> Which would you use? I don't know. To be fair, I did not know about \textnormal, but it looks like a good candidate. JMarc
Re: mathrm in lyx
Herbert Voss wrote:
Wolfgang Riedel wrote:
Hi,
if I type the tex code (for instance) for an unit of measurement 'meter
per second' "\mathrm{\frac{m}{s}}" inside a mathematical expression in
lyx (the frac was created via the mathematical menue) it seems correct,
the dvi is okay. But if I leave lyx, start it again and load the saved
lyx file, then the roman font information is lost. 'm' and 's' are
considered as variables :-(
try in lyx-mathmode alt-M-m for writing in textmode for "m" and "s" or
$\frac{\textrm{m}}{\textrm{s}}$in text-mathode, which is just the
same
Unfortunately this is the wrong approach, at least when using computer
modern fonts for math typesetting. Try to press M-c r (which is the
english mapping for font-roman, german users which use de_menus.bind
should press M-z r), this gives you a \mathrm encapsulation for the
letters typed afterwards. Any "math" operator switches the font back, so
check twice if your letters m and s are "upright" and not "italics".
On the other hand, if you type a dimension within your floating text,
you should use the same font as in the text itself. Here the
text-mathmode might be a good choice.
Or use \usepackage{mathptm} (or {mathptmx}) to use Times as the math
font. Then your measurements should look the same as the rest
(disregarding \mathrm or \textrm).
HTH,
Frank
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Re: mathrm in lyx
Herbert Voss wrote:
Wolfgang Riedel wrote:
Hi,
if I type the tex code (for instance) for an unit of measurement 'meter
per second' "\mathrm{\frac{m}{s}}" inside a mathematical expression in
lyx (the frac was created via the mathematical menue) it seems correct,
the dvi is okay. But if I leave lyx, start it again and load the saved
lyx file, then the roman font information is lost. 'm' and 's' are
considered as variables :-(
try in lyx-mathmode alt-M-m for writing in textmode for "m" and "s" or
$\frac{\textrm{m}}{\textrm{s}}$in text-mathode, which is just the
same
Unfortunately this is the wrong approach, at least when using computer
modern fonts for math typesetting. Try to press M-c r (which is the
english mapping for font-roman, german users which use de_menus.bind
should press M-z r), this gives you a \mathrm encapsulation for the
letters typed afterwards. Any "math" operator switches the font back, so
check twice if your letters m and s are "upright" and not "italics".
On the other hand, if you type a dimension within your floating text,
you should use the same font as in the text itself. Here the
text-mathmode might be a good choice.
Or use \usepackage{mathptm} (or {mathptmx}) to use Times as the math
font. Then your measurements should look the same as the rest
(disregarding \mathrm or \textrm).
HTH,
Frank
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Re: mathrm in lyx
Herbert Voss wrote:
>
> Wolfgang Riedel wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > if I type the tex code (for instance) for an unit of measurement 'meter
> > per second' "\mathrm{\frac{m}{s}}" inside a mathematical expression in
> > lyx (the frac was created via the mathematical menue) it seems correct,
> > the dvi is okay. But if I leave lyx, start it again and load the saved
> > lyx file, then the roman font information is lost. 'm' and 's' are
> > considered as variables :-(
>
> try in lyx-mathmode alt-M-m for writing in textmode for "m" and "s" or
>
> $\frac{\textrm{m}}{\textrm{s}}$in text-mathode, which is just the
> same
Unfortunately this is the wrong approach, at least when using computer
modern fonts for math typesetting. Try to press M-c r (which is the
english mapping for font-roman, german users which use de_menus.bind
should press M-z r), this gives you a \mathrm encapsulation for the
letters typed afterwards. Any "math" operator switches the font back, so
check twice if your letters m and s are "upright" and not "italics".
On the other hand, if you type a dimension within your floating text,
you should use the same font as in the text itself. Here the
text-mathmode might be a good choice.
Or use \usepackage{mathptm} (or {mathptmx}) to use Times as the math
font. Then your measurements should look the same as the rest
(disregarding \mathrm or \textrm).
HTH,
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Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
"?" == " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ? Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" ? environment), there are the operators "exp" (standard macro) and ? "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in the PS-file. exp is certainly _not_ in italics here. dev is indeed, but this is normal: it inherits the font of the environment. In fact you seem to think that mathrm should not be in italics. This used to be true in latex2.09, but latex2e has separated this in two different things: family: roman, sansserif, typewriter shape: upright, italics, slanted So the real question is how to define a proper \dev macro. I believe that amsmath has provision for that, but I'll leave to someone who knows it the task of finding the right macro. JMarc
Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
"?" == " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ? Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" ? environment), there are the operators "exp" (standard macro) and ? "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in the PS-file. exp is certainly _not_ in italics here. dev is indeed, but this is normal: it inherits the font of the environment. In fact you seem to think that mathrm should not be in italics. This used to be true in latex2.09, but latex2e has separated this in two different things: family: roman, sansserif, typewriter shape: upright, italics, slanted So the real question is how to define a proper \dev macro. I believe that amsmath has provision for that, but I'll leave to someone who knows it the task of finding the right macro. JMarc
Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
>>>>> "?" == <" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes: ?> Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" ?> environment), there are the operators "exp" (standard macro) and ?> "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in the PS-file. exp is certainly _not_ in italics here. dev is indeed, but this is normal: it inherits the font of the environment. In fact you seem to think that mathrm should not be in italics. This used to be true in latex2.09, but latex2e has separated this in two different things: family: roman, sansserif, typewriter shape: upright, italics, slanted So the real question is how to define a proper \dev macro. I believe that amsmath has provision for that, but I'll leave to someone who knows it the task of finding the right macro. JMarc
Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
On 08 Nov 1999 11:11:13 +010 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"?" == " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
? There are certain functions like sin, exp, etc. which are supposed
? to be written with non-italic letters even inside formulas. Usually
? this works (by using \sin or C-m sin). However, in the Lemma and
? Proposition environments (which italicize text) these get
? italicized too. How can I turn that off? Or is it even supposed to
? be this way? Lyx 1.0.2
If you use \sin, you will certainly not have a problem in a
proposition environment. Could you give an example file?
JMarc
Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" environment), there are
the operators "exp" (standard macro) and "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in
the PS-file.
\layout Lemma
\begin_inset LatexCommand \label{exp}
\end_inset
Let ...
\begin_inset Formula
\[
e:C\cdot \bar{W}\rightarrow \exp (\bar{W})\]
\end_inset
and which satisfies
\begin_inset Formula \( \textrm{dev}(e)\epsilon . \)
\end_inset
.
\layout Proof
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Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
On 08 Nov 1999 11:11:13 +010 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
"?" == " [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
? There are certain functions like sin, exp, etc. which are supposed
? to be written with non-italic letters even inside formulas. Usually
? this works (by using \sin or C-m sin). However, in the Lemma and
? Proposition environments (which italicize text) these get
? italicized too. How can I turn that off? Or is it even supposed to
? be this way? Lyx 1.0.2
If you use \sin, you will certainly not have a problem in a
proposition environment. Could you give an example file?
JMarc
Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" environment), there are
the operators "exp" (standard macro) and "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in
the PS-file.
\layout Lemma
\begin_inset LatexCommand \label{exp}
\end_inset
Let ...
\begin_inset Formula
\[
e:C\cdot \bar{W}\rightarrow \exp (\bar{W})\]
\end_inset
and which satisfies
\begin_inset Formula \( \textrm{dev}(e)\epsilon . \)
\end_inset
.
\layout Proof
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Re: mathrm (not italic) in lemmas?
On 08 Nov 1999 11:11:13 +010 Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> "?" == <" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> writes:
>
>?> There are certain functions like sin, exp, etc. which are supposed
>?> to be written with non-italic letters even inside formulas. Usually
>?> this works (by using \sin or C-m sin). However, in the Lemma and
>?> Proposition environments (which italicize text) these get
>?> italicized too. How can I turn that off? Or is it even supposed to
>?> be this way? Lyx 1.0.2
>
>If you use \sin, you will certainly not have a problem in a
>proposition environment. Could you give an example file?
>
>JMarc
>
Sure: In the following lemma (same problem with "proposition" environment), there are
the operators "exp" (standard macro) and "dev" (own notation). Both are italicized in
the PS-file.
\layout Lemma
\begin_inset LatexCommand \label{exp}
\end_inset
Let ...
\begin_inset Formula
\[
e:C\cdot \bar{W}\rightarrow \exp (\bar{W})\]
\end_inset
and which satisfies
\begin_inset Formula \( \textrm{dev}(e)<\epsilon . \)
\end_inset
.
\layout Proof
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There are certain functions like sin, exp, etc. which are supposed to be written with non-italic letters even inside formulas. Usually this works (by using \sin or C-m sin). However, in the Lemma and Proposition environments (which italicize text) these get italicized too. How can I turn that off? Or is it even supposed to be this way? Lyx 1.0.2 --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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