[M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski]

Hello collegues!

Thanks to Steven, i got an REX# for my NEC PC-8201.
Anything is working fine, i have TS-DOS and Ultimate ROM II on my REX#.
But if i want to install additional ROM (In my case R2CNEC) over the
REXMGR the transfer is somehow hanging...

To my System:
I have an Debian 11 Notebook with USB2SERIAL Adapter installed,
DeskLink+ is working on /dev/ttyUSB0
If i start to load the ROM from the REXMGR over TPDD it starts, but
than it hangs without any progress...
used

this command:
dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\
ROM/ -v

Also tried with -c Option for Hardware flow control. Same result.

dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\
ROM/ -c -v


I attach the debugging file. Maybe some of you had the same prob.


Thanks



-- 
Kind regards / 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

ExPLIT IT Solutions
Pawel Radomychelski




[96% ]explit@TP-X230t /media/sdb1/Projects/dlplus$ dl /dev/ttyUSB0 
-p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\ ROM/ -c -v
Using Serial Device: /dev/ttyUSB0
Working In Directory: 

/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option ROM
total 224
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768 26. Apr 2008  R2CND.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768  3. Nov 2013  R2CNEC.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768  3. Nov 2013  SARNEC.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768 29. Nov 2020  TSDNE1.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768 20. Jan 2006  TSDNEC.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768 15. Nov 2014  TSRNEC.BX
-rw-r--r-- 1 explit explit 32768  3. Nov 2013  UR2NEC.BX

Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 07 
Read... 00 
Read... 
Read... F8 

Processing command type = 07 length = 00 csum = F8
Writing: 12 01 00 EC   
Response: 00
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 00 
Read... 1A 
Read... 52 32 43 4E 45 43 2E 42 58 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 
46 00 
Read... 5A 

Processing command type = 00 length = 1A csum = 5A
UR2NEC.BX (1054618631)added file UR2NEC.BX len 32768
SARNEC.BX (32768)added file SARNEC.BX len 32768
R2CND.BX (32768)added file R2CND.BX len 32768
TSDNEC.BX (32768)added file TSDNEC.BX len 32768
TSDNE1.BX (32768)added file TSDNE1.BX len 32768
R2CNEC.BX (32768)added file R2CNEC.BX len 32768
buf: |R2CNEC.BX   F�|
Writing: 11 1C 52 32 43 4E 45 432E 42 58 20 20 20 20 2020 20 20 20 20 
20 20 2020 20 46 80 00 28 9F
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 01 
Read... 01 
Read... 03 
Read... FA 

Processing command type = 01 length = 01 csum = FA
Writing: 12 01 00 EC   
Response: 00
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 03 
Read... 00 
Read... 
Read... FC 

Processing command type = 03 length = 00 csum = FC
Writing: 10 80 C3 00 20 E1 D1 C1F1 C9 22 89 F8 E1 D5 C3DE 00 CF 10 00 
C8 FE 20C9 00 7C 92 C0 7D 93 C97E 23 5E 23 56 C9 00 CD67 00 E1 C3 
03 00 F3 CD67 00 C3 FF 00 00 F3 CD67 00 C3 78 00 01 F3 CD67 00 F5 
3E 01 D3 A1 F1C9 00 F5 C5 D5 E5 47 1A77 13 23 05 C2 4D 00 EFF5 C5 
D5 E5 47 4E 1A 7779 12 13 23 05 C2 5B 00EF 22 8B F8 21 91 F9 E3F5 
2B 2B 2B 2B F1 E5 2A8B F8 F5 DB A1 E6 0C C394 F9 44   
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 03 
Read... 00 
Read... 
Read... FC 

Processing command type = 03 length = 00 csum = FC
Writing: 10 80 C3 10 01 C3 74 01C3 86 01 C3 00 02 C3 4702 C3 73 02 C3 
81 02 C391 02 C3 BE 02 C3 CF 02C3 F9 02 C3 AE 02 C3 0703 C3 2A 03 
C3 13 03 C31B 03 21 F1 F5 C3 D2 04FE 0A D0 E5 21 0D 11 CD21 04 44 
4D E1 C9 2A 62FC CD D2 04 C3 D3 00 2A62 FC CD C3 04 22 62 FCC9 CD 
C4 00 C2 D7 00 C9F5 5E 23 56 23 F1 E3 EBE5 21 91 F9 E3 E5 2A 89F8 
C3 78 00 21 33 10 CD7C 07 21 FE 00 C3 5E 0707 3A AB   
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 03 
Read... 00 
Read... 
Read... FC 

Processing command type = 03 length = 00 csum = FC
Writing: 10 80 C6 FB B7 7E C0 CFD9 50 C9 23 CD 5E 07 2AD0 FB 22 D0 FB 
CD B0 00CA 27 01 EB 21 F1 F5 E5CD 92 00 36 00 E1 C3 4901 2A D0 FB 
CD 5E 07 3E50 11 A1 F5 21 F1 F5 CD56 00 C5 D5 E5 CF AA 47E1 D1 C1 
3E 50 CD 56 00DC BD FC EB 2A D0 FB AFCD 50 04 23 7E B7 C8 E521 75 
11 CD 42 05 E1 CA09 01 7E 23 F5 CD 42 05CA 72 01 CD 25 05 F1 3DC8 
C3 61 01 F1 C9 EB 22D2 FB CD C0 01 C8 CD D401 C0 10   
Read... 5A 
Read... 5A 
Got TPDD preamble.
Read... 03 
Read... 00 
Read... 
Read... FC 

Processing command type = 03 length = 00 csum = FC
Writing: 10 80 D4 D8 01 C3 78 01EB 22 D2 FB CD C0 01 C8CD D4 01 DA 8A 
01 EB CAA7 01 E5 21 F1 01 CD 8000 E1 3D EA 8A 01 CD A400 C5 CF D3 
22 EB 01 0100 2A 7C F8 CD 8F 00 DA8A 01 36 1A EB CF 26 24C1 C9 21 
DE 01 CD 80 003D CA 0F 08 3D CC 73 1BCA C0 01 1A B7 C9 CD 8900 D0 
21 FD 0F 

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

It's probably OK. You can upgrade mono if you want. But probably it is fine.

If it crashes it is not fine :-)

-- John.

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Brian Brindle]

Haha, no - not Jim Brian but I appreciate the association.  That's a MountT
on the BC port for power and a PDDuino TPDD Emulator on the RS232 port,
built from the info on the git repository.

I've been having a blast playing with the PDDuino over the last few months.
Learned more about the TPDD protocol than I ever expected and I might just
yell at Bill Greiman of SdFat if I ever meet him. Incredibly useful and fun
device. I just recently got a M102 so haven't gotten around to flipping the
USB port on the MountT so it points the right way yet. I've also been
stealing power off the System Bus port instead since it's closer but forgot
my cable today. The setup with the right length USB cord looks wicked cool
on an M100. Very awesome work BKW, thank you!

Brian


On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 9:08 PM Brian K. White  wrote:

> I do like how simple that is, and I have been annoyed that my plastic
> legs are never exactly the right length and the unit always rocks a
> little until I spend a minute adjusting. And one loose part is better
> than 2 loose parts.
>
> I like it.
>
> And I recognize them add-ons ;)
>
> Did you build them or get them from Jim Brain or are you Jim Brain ?
> Because I don't remember giving any to anyone else but they look neat
> and properly built from what I can see.
>
> --
> bkw
>
>
> On 7/9/21 4:00 PM, Brian Brindle wrote:
> > I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
> > Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that
> > I paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
> >
> > It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it
> > just sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has
> > it at a decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and
> > quicker to deploy than my plastic feet.
> >
> > Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook
> > stands will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the
> > instant gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the
> > blank look from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks
> > inside, ripped my rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on
> > it happily exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"
> >
> > She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
> > Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.
> >
> > Behold - the M100 foot!
> >
> > http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/ 
> >
> >
> > Brian
> >
>
>

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[Tom Wilson]

If it actually runs, then it should be be fine. If there was going to be a
problem, the program would not have started.


On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:47 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski <
exp...@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Understood, thx,
>
> another question. is it normal, that LaddieAlpha started with mono runtime
> brings this message:
>
> WARNING: The runtime version supported by this application is unavailable.
> Using default runtime: v4.0.30319
>
> 
> LaddieAlpha Tandy Portable Disk Drive Emulator (Speaker To Machines, Inc.)
> Built : 04/03/2020 02:12:12
> File Version : 2.1.0.0
> Version : 2.1.0.0
> Copyright : Copyright © Speaker To Machines, Inc. 2014
> Working Dir : /home/explit/Downloads
>
> 
> Opening /dev/ttyUSB0
>
>
> Is the default runtime 4.0.30319 ok to work ? or should i change something?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards /
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> ExPLIT IT Solutions
> Pawel Radomychelski
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> *From*: John R. Hogerhuis  <%22john%20r.%20hogerhuis%22%20%3cjho...@pobox.com%3e>>
> *Reply-To*: m...@bitchin100.com
> *To*: m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject*: Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and
> USB2SERIAL hangs
> *Date*: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 18:25:28 -0700
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:14 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski <
> exp...@mailbox.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks John, will try Laddie Alpha
> I alos think it has something to do with the size of the file, because
> small file transfers over dl+ works normally.
>
>
> Yes.
>
> TPDD directory enumeration include a "file length" encoded as 2 bytes with
> a range of 0 to 65,53*5*.
> Binary ROM images are 32K = 32768, which is a length of file that can
> technically be represented in an unsigned 16-bit integer (2 bytes). It is
> less than 65,536.
> But ROM *image files* as used by REX are a hex representation, so they
> are twice that big. Each binary byte is represented by 2 ASCII characters
> encoding the upper and lower nibble of each byte, respectively.
>
> Which means those files they are *exactly* 64K = 65,53*6*
>
> The length of a 64K file cannot be represented in a 16-bit integer. You
> can only represent file sizes exactly one byte shorter... 65,53*5*.
>
> The TPDD protocol actually supports files bigger than 65535 bytes but the
> protocol is slightly different for representing file lengths greater than
> 65,535.
>
> So IF what I suspect is happening is happening, DLPlus still has that bug.
> I used to maintain it but I don't remember.
>
> Anyway I had to fix this for LaddieAlpha to make hex files work with REX.
>
> -- John.
>
-- 
Tom Wilson
wilso...@gmail.com
(619)940-6311

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski]

Understood, thx,

another question. is it normal, that LaddieAlpha started with mono
runtime brings this message:

WARNING: The runtime version supported by this application is
unavailable.
Using default runtime: v4.0.30319
===
=
LaddieAlpha Tandy Portable Disk Drive Emulator (Speaker To Machines,
Inc.)
Built : 04/03/2020 02:12:12
File Version : 2.1.0.0
Version : 2.1.0.0
Copyright : Copyright © Speaker To Machines, Inc. 2014
Working Dir : /home/explit/Downloads
===
=
Opening /dev/ttyUSB0


Is the default runtime 4.0.30319 ok to work ? or should i change
something?

Thanks


-- 
Kind regards / 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

ExPLIT IT Solutions
Pawel Radomychelski



-Original Message-
From: John R. Hogerhuis 
Reply-To: m...@bitchin100.com
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and
USB2SERIAL hangs
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 18:25:28 -0700



On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:14 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski
 wrote:
> Thanks John, will try Laddie Alpha
> I alos think it has something to do with the size of the file,
> because small file transfers over dl+ works normally.
> 


Yes.

TPDD directory enumeration include a "file length" encoded as 2 bytes
with a range of 0 to 65,535.
Binary ROM images are 32K = 32768, which is a length of file that can
technically be represented in an unsigned 16-bit integer (2 bytes). It
is less than 65,536.
But ROM image files as used by REX are a hex representation, so they
are twice that big. Each binary byte is represented by 2 ASCII
characters encoding the upper and lower nibble of each byte,
respectively.

Which means those files they are exactly 64K = 65,536

The length of a 64K file cannot be represented in a 16-bit integer. You
can only represent file sizes exactly one byte shorter... 65,535.

The TPDD protocol actually supports files bigger than 65535 bytes but
the protocol is slightly different for representing file lengths
greater than 65,535.

So IF what I suspect is happening is happening, DLPlus still has that
bug. I used to maintain it but I don't remember.

Anyway I had to fix this for LaddieAlpha to make hex files work with
REX.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 6:14 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski <
exp...@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Thanks John, will try Laddie Alpha
> I alos think it has something to do with the size of the file, because
> small file transfers over dl+ works normally.
>

Yes.

TPDD directory enumeration include a "file length" encoded as 2 bytes with
a range of 0 to 65,53*5*.
Binary ROM images are 32K = 32768, which is a length of file that can
technically be represented in an unsigned 16-bit integer (2 bytes). It is
less than 65,536.
But ROM *image files* as used by REX are a hex representation, so they are
twice that big. Each binary byte is represented by 2 ASCII characters
encoding the upper and lower nibble of each byte, respectively.

Which means those files they are *exactly* 64K = 65,53*6*

The length of a 64K file cannot be represented in a 16-bit integer. You can
only represent file sizes exactly one byte shorter... 65,53*5*.

The TPDD protocol actually supports files bigger than 65535 bytes but the
protocol is slightly different for representing file lengths greater than
65,535.

So IF what I suspect is happening is happening, DLPlus still has that bug.
I used to maintain it but I don't remember.

Anyway I had to fix this for LaddieAlpha to make hex files work with REX.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski]

Thanks John, will try Laddie Alpha
I alos think it has something to do with the size of the file, because
small file transfers over dl+ works normally.

-- 
Kind regards / 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

ExPLIT IT Solutions
Pawel Radomychelski



-Original Message-
From: John R. Hogerhuis 
Reply-To: m...@bitchin100.com
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and
USB2SERIAL hangs
Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2021 18:03:13 -0700

This should work as far as I know... but Brian W now supports DL+.

LaddieAlpha.EXE (runs on Mono) is known to work with the large Option
ROM hex files and what we confirmed REX working with.

-- John.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:59 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski
 wrote:
> Hello collegues!
> 
> Thanks to Steven, i got an REX# for my NEC PC-8201.
> Anything is working fine, i have TS-DOS and Ultimate ROM II on my
> REX#.
> But if i want to install additional ROM (In my case R2CNEC) over the
> REXMGR the transfer is somehow hanging...
> 
> To my System:
> I have an Debian 11 Notebook with USB2SERIAL Adapter installed,
> DeskLink+ is working on /dev/ttyUSB0
> If i start to load the ROM from the REXMGR over TPDD it starts, but
> than it hangs without any progress...
> used
> 
> this command:
> dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\
> ROM/ -v
> 
> Also tried with -c Option for Hardware flow control. Same result.
> 
> dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\
> ROM/ -c -v
> 
> 
> I attach the debugging file. Maybe some of you had the same prob.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 

Re: [M100] Transferring ROM to REX# over DeskLink+ and USB2SERIAL hangs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

This should work as far as I know... but Brian W now supports DL+.

LaddieAlpha.EXE (runs on Mono) is known to work with the large Option ROM
hex files and what we confirmed REX working with.

-- John.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:59 PM ExPLIT | Pawel Radomychelski <
exp...@mailbox.org> wrote:

> Hello collegues!
>
> Thanks to Steven, i got an REX# for my NEC PC-8201.
> Anything is working fine, i have TS-DOS and Ultimate ROM II on my REX#.
> But if i want to install additional ROM (In my case R2CNEC) over the
> REXMGR the transfer is somehow hanging...
>
> To my System:
> I have an Debian 11 Notebook with USB2SERIAL Adapter installed, DeskLink+
> is working on /dev/ttyUSB0
> If i start to load the ROM from the REXMGR over TPDD it starts, but than
> it hangs without any progress...
> used
>
> this command:
> dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\ ROM/
> -v
>
> Also tried with -c Option for Hardware flow control. Same result.
>
> dl /dev/ttyUSB0 -p=/media/sdb1/Firmware/Notebook/NEC/PC-8201/Option\ ROM/
> -c -v
>
>
> I attach the debugging file. Maybe some of you had the same prob.
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards /
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
>
> ExPLIT IT Solutions
> Pawel Radomychelski
>
>
>
>
>

[M100] Burn in program

[Jeffrey Birt]

Hi all,

 

Burn in test? I was just wondering what sort of program you guys like to run
as a burn in test of a computer you have just repaired. I modified the M100
test harness code so can run a continuous RAM test but that is not a really
useful test that everyone can use as it only works with the test harness.

 

Maybe something in BASIC that just runs some calculations, displays things
on the LCD, etc. to test how stable the computer is when running for a few
hours. Any favorites?

 

Thanks,

Jeff Birt

 

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Chris Fezzler]

 looks like the old rubber doorstops.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=door+stop=nb_sb_noss_2

On Friday, July 9, 2021, 04:01:02 PM EDT, Brian Brindle 
 wrote:  
 
 I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local Barnes 
and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I paid $12 for 
it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just sort 
of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a decent 
angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy than my 
plastic feet. 
Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands will 
reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant 
gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look from 
my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my rubberized 
wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! 
Awesome right?!" 
She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle. 
Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it. 
Behold - the M100 foot!
http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/


Brian
  

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Mike Stein]

Two cut off pencils with erasers, wrapped with a bit of tape, give you
rubber feet ! ;-)

m

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 7:52 PM Robert J. Hutchins 
wrote:

> I just love a cheap lo-tech solution!
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex
> ...
> *Sent:* Friday, July 09, 2021 4:42 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"
>
>
>
> Fancy!
>
>
> I just cut a BIC pen tube in half and stuck them in the screw holes. Works
> great.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:01 PM Brian Brindle  wrote:
>
> I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
> Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I
> paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
>
>
>
> It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just
> sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a
> decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy
> than my plastic feet.
>
>
>
> Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands
> will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant
> gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look
> from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my
> rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily
> exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"
>
>
>
> She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
> Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.
>
>
>
> Behold - the M100 foot!
>
>
>
> http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/
>
>
>
>
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Disclaimer: Any resemblance between the above views and those of my
> employer, my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental.
> Any resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic.
> The question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold
> them is left as an exercise for the reader.
> The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the
> second god coefficient.  (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral
> polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) Thanks /usr/games/fortune
>

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Robert J. Hutchins]

I just love a cheap lo-tech solution!

 

 

From: M100 [mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com] On Behalf Of Alex ...
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2021 4:42 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

 

Fancy!


I just cut a BIC pen tube in half and stuck them in the screw holes. Works 
great.

 

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:01 PM Brian Brindle mailto:bbrin...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local Barnes 
and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I paid $12 for 
it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...

 

It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just sort 
of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a decent 
angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy than my 
plastic feet. 

 

Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands will 
reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant 
gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look from 
my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my rubberized 
wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! 
Awesome right?!" 

 

She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle. 
Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it. 

 

Behold - the M100 foot!

 

http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/

 

 

Brian

 



-- 

Disclaimer: Any resemblance between the above views and those of my employer, 
my terminal, or the view out my window are purely coincidental.  Any 
resemblance between the above and my own views is non-deterministic.  The 
question of the existence of views in the absence of anyone to hold them is 
left as an exercise for the reader.
The question of the existence of the reader is left as an exercise for the 
second god coefficient.  (A discussion of non-orthogonal, non-integral 
polytheism is beyond the scope of this article.) Thanks /usr/games/fortune

Re: [M100] Virtual T Question

[Bill Miranda]

Ken,
I am running version 1.7 on Windows 10. I just updated to 1.7 from 1.6 and that 
could be when the issue started. I will try going back to 1.6 and see if that 
speeds things up. 

—-
Bill Miranda

> On Jul 9, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Ken Pettit  wrote:
> 
> Hey Bill,
> 
> No, REX emulation really shouldn't cause a performance degradation as far as 
> I know.  I'm assuming a "modern Dell laptop" means you are running Windows?  
> I haven't really used Microsoft Windows the past 12 years or so ... could be 
> something going on with it I guess.
> 
> What versions of Windows and VirtualT are you running?
> 
> Ken
> 
>> On 7/9/21 6:54 AM, Bill Miranda wrote:
>> I enabled the REX emulation on Virtual T because I wanted to see what it is 
>> like.  Now the emulator is reacting very slowly.  I'm running it on a modern 
>> Dell laptop with i7 processor and 16GB Ram so I don't think it was my 
>> computer.  Is this expected behavior or did I mess something up in trying to 
>> configure the REX emulator?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Bill
> 

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Stephen Adolph]

what's plugged into your computer?  I guess a USB connector for power?  and
a backpack?


On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 4:25 PM Jerry Davis  wrote:

> Well that looks like an awesome accessory.  One of those, "Why didn't I
> think to look for one of those?", moments.  I want to try one of those.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 3:01 PM Brian Brindle  wrote:
>
>> I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
>> Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I
>> paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
>>
>> It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it
>> just sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it
>> at a decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to
>> deploy than my plastic feet.
>>
>> Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands
>> will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant
>> gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look
>> from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my
>> rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily
>> exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"
>>
>> She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
>> Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.
>>
>> Behold - the M100 foot!
>>
>> http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Jerry Davis]

Well that looks like an awesome accessory.  One of those, "Why didn't I
think to look for one of those?", moments.  I want to try one of those.

Jerry

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 3:01 PM Brian Brindle  wrote:

> I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
> Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I
> paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
>
> It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just
> sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a
> decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy
> than my plastic feet.
>
> Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands
> will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant
> gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look
> from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my
> rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily
> exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"
>
> She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
> Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.
>
> Behold - the M100 foot!
>
> http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/
>
>
> Brian
>
>

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Peter Vollan]

You'll have to explain what that is past the printer and serial ports.


On Fri, 9 Jul 2021 at 13:01, Brian Brindle  wrote:

> I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
> Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I
> paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...
>
> It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just
> sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a
> decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy
> than my plastic feet.
>
> Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands
> will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant
> gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look
> from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my
> rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily
> exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"
>
> She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
> Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.
>
> Behold - the M100 foot!
>
> http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/
>
>
> Brian
>
>

Re: [M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Brian K. White]

I do like how simple that is, and I have been annoyed that my plastic 
legs are never exactly the right length and the unit always rocks a 
little until I spend a minute adjusting. And one loose part is better 
than 2 loose parts.


I like it.

And I recognize them add-ons ;)

Did you build them or get them from Jim Brain or are you Jim Brain ? 
Because I don't remember giving any to anyone else but they look neat 
and properly built from what I can see.


--
bkw


On 7/9/21 4:00 PM, Brian Brindle wrote:
I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local 
Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that 
I paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...


It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it 
just sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has 
it at a decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and 
quicker to deploy than my plastic feet.


Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook 
stands will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the 
instant gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the 
blank look from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks 
inside, ripped my rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on 
it happily exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"


She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle. 
Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.


Behold - the M100 foot!

http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/ 


Brian

[M100] A decent replacement for M100 "Feet"

[Brian Brindle]

I found this thing called a "Laptop Foot" at the checkout of my local
Barnes and Noble the other day. I am slightly embarrassed to admit that I
paid $12 for it but also I've been very happy with how it works so...

It's just the one wedge, you pop it under the back of the M100 and it just
sort of tripods. It's very stable, no rocking or anything and has it at a
decent angle for me. I find it easier to keep up with and quicker to deploy
than my plastic feet.

Quick Amazon search for "Laptop Foot" or Universal Laptop/Notebook stands
will reveal 4-packs available from $10-$13 but totally lacks the instant
gratification I received for 4x the price, not to mention the blank look
from my SO as I ran from the checkout to the Starbucks inside, ripped my
rubberized wedge from its box and plopped my M102 on it happily
exclaiming "Hu?! HU?!! Awesome right?!"

She didn't respond, likely because it was too awesome for her to handle.
Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate it.

Behold - the M100 foot!

http://niedobry.com/mod100/images/


Brian

[M100] TPPD2 Belt Replacement

[Greg Swallow]

Well I can still get some things done.

Had picked up a TPDD2 as a spare/parts as was advertised on eBay. Wanted 
something just-in-case, but took a chance it only needed a belt and was worth 
the asking price of $100. Another "working" TPDD2 bidded out at $106 so 
figured, if it works I'm good. Just didn't want to stress over an auction.

First look when it arrived and sure enough, a broken belt. Ordered new belt and 
two cap kits for later. Thanks Greg, belt went in fine.  Formatted a disk, 
saved a Lucid spreadsheet to bank 0, and IPL.BA to bank 1. Spreadsheet (.CA) 
loaded back and into Lucid just fine.

Warning to anyone doing a belt replacement. Do not! I say again, do not replace 
the belt on a black work surface. One tiny bit of old belt gets on your bench 
and it will tag everything before you figure out what happened. Expecting Mr. 
Murphey to arrive, we had a large bottle of alcohol and paper towels ready.


God Bless,

GregS <><

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Brian K. White]

On 7/9/21 10:02 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:
If you're looking for cheap, these aren't them! These are anything but 
cheap. They're gold-plated Mill-Max pins, 12 cents each, but since I 
build these in batches of 25 units at a time or so, ordering them 700 at 
a time gets them down to the 5 cents/each price range. Still not cheap, 
but I am a huge believer in quality if I'm selling something, so I 
really like the flanges that they have for stress relief. If I was doing 
this for "just me" I would go get some 24 gauge gold-plated steel craft 
wire at Michaels craft store and cut it into 3/8" pieces and solder away.


I am so with you on using plain wire for dip-pcb legs now. Only thought 
of it about a year ago and wasn't sure the right kind of wire was 
something you could buy.


Out of the 3 methods I've seen so far that attain a result I like (thin 
legs that don't violate the specs of any sockets, low profile with no 
huge shoulder or insulator) wire is now my favorite for practicality.


I started to try to write up the different good methods, since both the 
wire and the leadframe methods need a little explaining. Also just to 
provide a place to put links to the obscure parts & materials for 
reference, like the fact that mill-max is not the only one that makes 
those micro-pins, there is also a Keystone part that's identical. Same 
price so it makes no difference, but say the mill-max were out of stock 
or something one day.


https://github.com/bkw777/Model_T_RAM/blob/main/doc/DIP_PCB_legs.md

(Actually I should add a 4th option in there. Jeff Birt uses a 
particular type of male/female dupont header extension or riser, often 
found sold along with raspberry pi and arduino stuff, that happens to be 
made from stamped sheet brass, so the legs are thinner than normal 
square pins, still a bit thick but thin enough it's not really hurting 
anything, although, I don't know if they fit into machined round 
sockets. It's a perfectly good method at least for leaf sockets. The 
legs are long and you just cut away and discard the female top.)



I arrived at 26 gauge from looking at datasheets for sockets and dip 
chips, and there is no worry about brass wire hurting flush cutters or 
sockets. I think 24 guage is still fine but I think steel is too hard 
and will scratch the plating on the socket.


Strength has been fine, same as any other leg, which are always just 
copper or phosphor bronze normally anyway.


I just wish there was a less ambiguous way to find the wire to put into 
a doc like that. I have a few links in that doc but 2 out of the 3 are 
etsy sellers. In the picture of the first few samples of wire I found 
myself, one turned out to be thinner than advertised, and one was just 
an ebay listing that is gone now and that same businesses normal web 
site does not list that product. There's nothing good like an Amazon or 
DigiKey link. There is some on Amazon but overpriced. There are more 
dependable links to the suppliers that the etsy sellers are getting it 
from, but you can't buy 1 or 5 feet from them. One of the reasons to 
even use wire is because it works out a lot cheaper than manufactured 
individual pins. But if the wire is overpriced, then you might as well 
use the mill-max pins.


--
bkw

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Yeah it doesn't need a full commented disassembly. But would need a full
disassembly just to be relocate its  code, variables, and identify and
convert all ROM calls to far calls.

And we'd have to see how compact the variables are, and if anything
interesting is going on with the stack or file space.


It would be interesting to come up with a instruction guide and toolkit for
converting existing programs to ROM. It's not fully automate-able but a
good set of steps could probably be worked out.

-- John.



On Fri, Jul 9, 2021, 5:27 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:

> John,
> I wonder how hard it would be to move TMPC to a rom.
> we know how to do the trampoline.
> I guess if 320 bytes of altlcd is enough variable space for it, it might
> be doable without a full disassembly.
> ..Steve
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:14 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>
>> SuperROM is the best ROM because it has Think outliner... single best
>> piece of M100 software IMHO.
>>
>> TMPC is pretty cool too but it's not ROM'd. Outta be... it's huge.
>>
>> -- John.
>>
>

Re: [M100] Virtual T Question

[Ken Pettit]

Hey Bill,

No, REX emulation really shouldn't cause a performance degradation as 
far as I know.  I'm assuming a "modern Dell laptop" means you are 
running Windows?  I haven't really used Microsoft Windows the past 12 
years or so ... could be something going on with it I guess.


What versions of Windows and VirtualT are you running?

Ken

On 7/9/21 6:54 AM, Bill Miranda wrote:
I enabled the REX emulation on Virtual T because I wanted to see what 
it is like.  Now the emulator is reacting very slowly.  I'm running it 
on a modern Dell laptop with i7 processor and 16GB Ram so I don't 
think it was my computer.  Is this expected behavior or did I mess 
something up in trying to configure the REX emulator?


Thanks!

Bill

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Justin Poirier]

If you're looking for cheap, these aren't them! These are anything but 
cheap. They're gold-plated Mill-Max pins, 12 cents each, but since I 
build these in batches of 25 units at a time or so, ordering them 700 at 
a time gets them down to the 5 cents/each price range. Still not cheap, 
but I am a huge believer in quality if I'm selling something, so I 
really like the flanges that they have for stress relief. If I was doing 
this for "just me" I would go get some 24 gauge gold-plated steel craft 
wire at Michaels craft store and cut it into 3/8" pieces and solder away.


--Justin

On 7/9/21 9:31 AM, Stephen Adolph wrote:

Justin,
On your T200 ram module, what kind of pin do you use?
I'm always on the hunt for low cost pins...
thx
Steve

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 9:28 AM Justin Poirier > wrote:


Some quick snaps I loaded to my Google Drive for paroosal:

The SOIC EEPROM adapter/programmer:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDG4YevQZBaP72dhnJJwGXZKxzJsfhNu/view?usp=sharing



The PROM-based 8-slot ROM adapter (in a T102):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/138PiJQOmxYbh2wuQFnczIsGsQdF5HhB6/view?usp=sharing



The 24k T200 memory upgrades I make and have been selling on eBay for
years. (You've probably seen these if you use eBay at all.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mn1irtPzuqOzBhGmKGh6pm7r91rbbd3r/view?usp=sharing



Any questions, let me know!

--Justin

On 7/9/21 8:37 AM, Pawel Radomychelski | ExPLIT wrote:
> I think many of us would be happy to see some images of your work.
>
> I don't ask for a manual, that would be very time-intensive, but
if you could make some photos - that would be gr8!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pawel
>
>
> On Friday, 9 July 2021, Justin Poirier wrote:
>> My first run was using a 28C256 on a SOIC-28 chip. Same thing
you did, I
>> used a resistor to hold /WE so that I could pull it with the
burner when
>> I wanted to erase/re-write the image. But, also like you said,
those
>> chips are $10 each now and hold a single image. I built the carrier
>> (actually, designed in KiCAD and sent to GoldPhoenix for fab),
soldered
>> the SOIC on and burned it using a DIP-28 to "Molex" adapter
that I built
>> out of Cat5E wire and a DIP header, with 1" long "fingers" on
the other
>> size made out of gold-plated spring wire used for craft
jewelry. The
>> carrier clips into that 28-pin finger arrange, which has all
the pins
>> for a 28C256 DIP-28 re-mapped to the Molex pinout and the
burner just
>> sees it as a DIP-28. Works pretty good, but it's a pain, and
it's expensive.
>>
>> So the PROM version uses a AT27C020 in PLCC-32 format on a
different (of
>> course) carrier, and via a suite of programs I wrote in Perl,
builds a
>> single ROM image out of 8 32k images, which I burn in the
TL866-II. Then
>> I solder the chip to the carrier, and the DIP switches select which
>> 32-image is available at any given time. Simple enough, and it
works
>> very nicely. I have several of my prototypes in my T102 and several
>> T200s. No complaints. The chip is $4 at Digikey, and as long as
I get
>> the image right, it's one-and-done.
>>
>> This is a working project. It's done, except for the actual ROM
images.
>> I have the boards fabricated, the chips on hand, and have a
half-dozen
>> working prototypes on my bench. I know the REX is a great
device, but
>> sometimes K.I.S.S. wins out in my head. Sometimes I just need a
ROM in
>> that slot all the time, and since I have a good number of Ts
that are
>> all used in various ways, I can't justify putting a REX in each.
>>
>> --Justin
>>
>> On 7/8/21 3:19 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
>>> On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:
 It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM
 images. Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those
others? They
 have generic enough names that Google has been of very little
help.

 I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for
myself,
 mostly) that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with
a group
 of DIP switches on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if
I like
 the results, I could probably crank them out, burned and
ready, in
 the $20-$25 range. Not committing to anything at all, since
I’m still
 in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m not sure what to
put in
 them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, 

[M100] Virtual T Question

[Bill Miranda]

I enabled the REX emulation on Virtual T because I wanted to see what it is
like.  Now the emulator is reacting very slowly.  I'm running it on a
modern Dell laptop with i7 processor and 16GB Ram so I don't think it was
my computer.  Is this expected behavior or did I mess something up in
trying to configure the REX emulator?

Thanks!

Bill

Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Joshua O'Keefe]

On Jul 9, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Bert Put  wrote:
> It's likely a gmail thing... Everyone on this thread who reported
> problems are using gmail.

I have occasionally experienced these issues and email for my domain is handled 
by gmail.  Despite having a configured a rule to never send messages for the 
list to the spam mailbox, it does it occasionally.  Messages from folks at 
yahoo addresses are the bulk of the victims I have to fish out of the spam box.

Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Jeffrey Birt]

It's a ripple in the time/space continuum thing 

Jeff Birt

-Original Message-
From: M100  On Behalf Of Josh Malone
Sent: Friday, July 9, 2021 8:04 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

Nope - not just you. I get replied often before I get the original question. I 
assumed it was something with gmail, but it could also be the mailman queue 
processing.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 8:57 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:
>
> I'm finding that emails seem to be missing from threads, delivered out of 
> order etc.
> just me?
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Stephen Adolph]

Justin,
On your T200 ram module, what kind of pin do you use?
I'm always on the hunt for low cost pins...
thx
Steve

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 9:28 AM Justin Poirier  wrote:

> Some quick snaps I loaded to my Google Drive for paroosal:
>
> The SOIC EEPROM adapter/programmer:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDG4YevQZBaP72dhnJJwGXZKxzJsfhNu/view?usp=sharing
>
> The PROM-based 8-slot ROM adapter (in a T102):
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/138PiJQOmxYbh2wuQFnczIsGsQdF5HhB6/view?usp=sharing
>
> The 24k T200 memory upgrades I make and have been selling on eBay for
> years. (You've probably seen these if you use eBay at all.)
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mn1irtPzuqOzBhGmKGh6pm7r91rbbd3r/view?usp=sharing
>
> Any questions, let me know!
>
> --Justin
>
> On 7/9/21 8:37 AM, Pawel Radomychelski | ExPLIT wrote:
> > I think many of us would be happy to see some images of your work.
> >
> > I don't ask for a manual, that would be very time-intensive, but if you
> could make some photos - that would be gr8!
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Pawel
> >
> >
> > On Friday, 9 July 2021, Justin Poirier wrote:
> >> My first run was using a 28C256 on a SOIC-28 chip. Same thing you did, I
> >> used a resistor to hold /WE so that I could pull it with the burner when
> >> I wanted to erase/re-write the image. But, also like you said, those
> >> chips are $10 each now and hold a single image. I built the carrier
> >> (actually, designed in KiCAD and sent to GoldPhoenix for fab), soldered
> >> the SOIC on and burned it using a DIP-28 to "Molex" adapter that I built
> >> out of Cat5E wire and a DIP header, with 1" long "fingers" on the other
> >> size made out of gold-plated spring wire used for craft jewelry. The
> >> carrier clips into that 28-pin finger arrange, which has all the pins
> >> for a 28C256 DIP-28 re-mapped to the Molex pinout and the burner just
> >> sees it as a DIP-28. Works pretty good, but it's a pain, and it's
> expensive.
> >>
> >> So the PROM version uses a AT27C020 in PLCC-32 format on a different (of
> >> course) carrier, and via a suite of programs I wrote in Perl, builds a
> >> single ROM image out of 8 32k images, which I burn in the TL866-II. Then
> >> I solder the chip to the carrier, and the DIP switches select which
> >> 32-image is available at any given time. Simple enough, and it works
> >> very nicely. I have several of my prototypes in my T102 and several
> >> T200s. No complaints. The chip is $4 at Digikey, and as long as I get
> >> the image right, it's one-and-done.
> >>
> >> This is a working project. It's done, except for the actual ROM images.
> >> I have the boards fabricated, the chips on hand, and have a half-dozen
> >> working prototypes on my bench. I know the REX is a great device, but
> >> sometimes K.I.S.S. wins out in my head. Sometimes I just need a ROM in
> >> that slot all the time, and since I have a good number of Ts that are
> >> all used in various ways, I can't justify putting a REX in each.
> >>
> >> --Justin
> >>
> >> On 7/8/21 3:19 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
> >>> On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:
>  It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM
>  images. Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They
>  have generic enough names that Google has been of very little help.
> 
>  I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself,
>  mostly) that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group
>  of DIP switches on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like
>  the results, I could probably crank them out, burned and ready, in
>  the $20-$25 range. Not committing to anything at all, since I’m still
>  in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in
>  them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and
>  TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it
>  includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the
>  M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!
> >>> How are you connecting up to burn them? Through the edge connectors
> >>> with a reverse pinout adapter? DIP-28 test clip on the outside edges
> >>> with the wires arranged into a reverse pinout adapter? Or are you just
> >>> burning before soldering and no re-writing after that?
> >>>
> >>> I made this single-rom carrier that, since it's an SOIC package, and I
> >>> have a resistor rather than a trace for /WE, is easy to just connect
> >>> normally with a soic test clip to program.
> >>> http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But that 28C256 is now OVER $10 just for a single 32k, and I'd like to
> >>> try to ditch the requirement for the test clip if possible, and
> >>> definitely don't want to require an actual Molex socket. (I have molex
> >>> sockets, but I'm trying to make a design anyone can use, not just
> >>> something for myself) So I tried this
> >>> https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md

Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Bert Put]

It's likely a gmail thing... Everyone on this thread who reported
problems are using gmail.
I'm not using gmail, and messages and replies looks good to me.

Cheers,Bert

On 7/9/21 8:07 AM, Russell Flowers wrote:
> You replied to Greg in the thin client thread yesterday, and I only saw
> it in his reply to you.
> 
> -- Russ
> 
> On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 7:57 AM Stephen Adolph  > wrote:
> 
> I'm finding that emails seem to be missing from threads, delivered
> out of order etc.
> just me?
> 

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Justin Poirier]

Some quick snaps I loaded to my Google Drive for paroosal:

The SOIC EEPROM adapter/programmer:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KDG4YevQZBaP72dhnJJwGXZKxzJsfhNu/view?usp=sharing

The PROM-based 8-slot ROM adapter (in a T102):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/138PiJQOmxYbh2wuQFnczIsGsQdF5HhB6/view?usp=sharing

The 24k T200 memory upgrades I make and have been selling on eBay for 
years. (You've probably seen these if you use eBay at all.)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mn1irtPzuqOzBhGmKGh6pm7r91rbbd3r/view?usp=sharing

Any questions, let me know!

--Justin

On 7/9/21 8:37 AM, Pawel Radomychelski | ExPLIT wrote:

I think many of us would be happy to see some images of your work.

I don't ask for a manual, that would be very time-intensive, but if you could 
make some photos - that would be gr8!

Thanks!

Pawel


On Friday, 9 July 2021, Justin Poirier wrote:

My first run was using a 28C256 on a SOIC-28 chip. Same thing you did, I
used a resistor to hold /WE so that I could pull it with the burner when
I wanted to erase/re-write the image. But, also like you said, those
chips are $10 each now and hold a single image. I built the carrier
(actually, designed in KiCAD and sent to GoldPhoenix for fab), soldered
the SOIC on and burned it using a DIP-28 to "Molex" adapter that I built
out of Cat5E wire and a DIP header, with 1" long "fingers" on the other
size made out of gold-plated spring wire used for craft jewelry. The
carrier clips into that 28-pin finger arrange, which has all the pins
for a 28C256 DIP-28 re-mapped to the Molex pinout and the burner just
sees it as a DIP-28. Works pretty good, but it's a pain, and it's expensive.

So the PROM version uses a AT27C020 in PLCC-32 format on a different (of
course) carrier, and via a suite of programs I wrote in Perl, builds a
single ROM image out of 8 32k images, which I burn in the TL866-II. Then
I solder the chip to the carrier, and the DIP switches select which
32-image is available at any given time. Simple enough, and it works
very nicely. I have several of my prototypes in my T102 and several
T200s. No complaints. The chip is $4 at Digikey, and as long as I get
the image right, it's one-and-done.

This is a working project. It's done, except for the actual ROM images.
I have the boards fabricated, the chips on hand, and have a half-dozen
working prototypes on my bench. I know the REX is a great device, but
sometimes K.I.S.S. wins out in my head. Sometimes I just need a ROM in
that slot all the time, and since I have a good number of Ts that are
all used in various ways, I can't justify putting a REX in each.

--Justin

On 7/8/21 3:19 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:

It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM
images. Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They
have generic enough names that Google has been of very little help.

I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself,
mostly) that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group
of DIP switches on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like
the results, I could probably crank them out, burned and ready, in
the $20-$25 range. Not committing to anything at all, since I’m still
in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in
them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and
TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it
includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the
M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!

How are you connecting up to burn them? Through the edge connectors
with a reverse pinout adapter? DIP-28 test clip on the outside edges
with the wires arranged into a reverse pinout adapter? Or are you just
burning before soldering and no re-writing after that?

I made this single-rom carrier that, since it's an SOIC package, and I
have a resistor rather than a trace for /WE, is easy to just connect
normally with a soic test clip to program.
http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom


But that 28C256 is now OVER $10 just for a single 32k, and I'd like to
try to ditch the requirement for the test clip if possible, and
definitely don't want to require an actual Molex socket. (I have molex
sockets, but I'm trying to make a design anyone can use, not just
something for myself) So I tried this
https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md

4 or 8 roms (that's just a 4-rom version but 8 would be a
straightforward progression from there) and no special parts needed,
and it's even both cheaper and more convenient than the soic-28 test
clip, and the flash part is both more readily available (multiple
manufacturers still) and just over $1 instead of over $10.


Which *almost* works as envisioned. The programming adapter is built
out of all normal off the shelf parts, and the connection between the
programming adapter and the carrier is made by dint of having the
holes on the carrier be offset staggered so they work 

Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Russell Flowers]

You replied to Greg in the thin client thread yesterday, and I only saw it
in his reply to you.

-- Russ

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 7:57 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:

> I'm finding that emails seem to be missing from threads, delivered out of
> order etc.
> just me?
>
>

Re: [M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Josh Malone]

Nope - not just you. I get replied often before I get the original
question. I assumed it was something with gmail, but it could also be
the mailman queue processing.

On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 8:57 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:
>
> I'm finding that emails seem to be missing from threads, delivered out of 
> order etc.
> just me?
>

[M100] is the mailing list acting strangely?

[Stephen Adolph]

I'm finding that emails seem to be missing from threads, delivered out of
order etc.
just me?

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Pawel Radomychelski | ExPLIT]

I think many of us would be happy to see some images of your work.

I don't ask for a manual, that would be very time-intensive, but if you could 
make some photos - that would be gr8!

Thanks!

Pawel


On Friday, 9 July 2021, Justin Poirier wrote:
> My first run was using a 28C256 on a SOIC-28 chip. Same thing you did, I 
> used a resistor to hold /WE so that I could pull it with the burner when 
> I wanted to erase/re-write the image. But, also like you said, those 
> chips are $10 each now and hold a single image. I built the carrier 
> (actually, designed in KiCAD and sent to GoldPhoenix for fab), soldered 
> the SOIC on and burned it using a DIP-28 to "Molex" adapter that I built 
> out of Cat5E wire and a DIP header, with 1" long "fingers" on the other 
> size made out of gold-plated spring wire used for craft jewelry. The 
> carrier clips into that 28-pin finger arrange, which has all the pins 
> for a 28C256 DIP-28 re-mapped to the Molex pinout and the burner just 
> sees it as a DIP-28. Works pretty good, but it's a pain, and it's expensive.
> 
> So the PROM version uses a AT27C020 in PLCC-32 format on a different (of 
> course) carrier, and via a suite of programs I wrote in Perl, builds a 
> single ROM image out of 8 32k images, which I burn in the TL866-II. Then 
> I solder the chip to the carrier, and the DIP switches select which 
> 32-image is available at any given time. Simple enough, and it works 
> very nicely. I have several of my prototypes in my T102 and several 
> T200s. No complaints. The chip is $4 at Digikey, and as long as I get 
> the image right, it's one-and-done.
> 
> This is a working project. It's done, except for the actual ROM images. 
> I have the boards fabricated, the chips on hand, and have a half-dozen 
> working prototypes on my bench. I know the REX is a great device, but 
> sometimes K.I.S.S. wins out in my head. Sometimes I just need a ROM in 
> that slot all the time, and since I have a good number of Ts that are 
> all used in various ways, I can't justify putting a REX in each.
> 
> --Justin
> 
> On 7/8/21 3:19 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
> > On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:
> >> It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM 
> >> images. Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They 
> >> have generic enough names that Google has been of very little help.
> >>
> >> I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, 
> >> mostly) that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group 
> >> of DIP switches on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like 
> >> the results, I could probably crank them out, burned and ready, in 
> >> the $20-$25 range. Not committing to anything at all, since I’m still 
> >> in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in 
> >> them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and 
> >> TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it 
> >> includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the 
> >> M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!
> >
> > How are you connecting up to burn them? Through the edge connectors 
> > with a reverse pinout adapter? DIP-28 test clip on the outside edges 
> > with the wires arranged into a reverse pinout adapter? Or are you just 
> > burning before soldering and no re-writing after that?
> >
> > I made this single-rom carrier that, since it's an SOIC package, and I 
> > have a resistor rather than a trace for /WE, is easy to just connect 
> > normally with a soic test clip to program.
> > http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom
> >
> >
> > But that 28C256 is now OVER $10 just for a single 32k, and I'd like to 
> > try to ditch the requirement for the test clip if possible, and 
> > definitely don't want to require an actual Molex socket. (I have molex 
> > sockets, but I'm trying to make a design anyone can use, not just 
> > something for myself) So I tried this
> > https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md
> >
> > 4 or 8 roms (that's just a 4-rom version but 8 would be a 
> > straightforward progression from there) and no special parts needed, 
> > and it's even both cheaper and more convenient than the soic-28 test 
> > clip, and the flash part is both more readily available (multiple 
> > manufacturers still) and just over $1 instead of over $10.
> >
> >
> > Which *almost* works as envisioned. The programming adapter is built 
> > out of all normal off the shelf parts, and the connection between the 
> > programming adapter and the carrier is made by dint of having the 
> > holes on the carrier be offset staggered so they work against each 
> > other. I think I just need a different stagger pattern, and slightly 
> > more offset to the stagger. I was able to get it to work by tediously 
> > testing each pin for connection to identify a handful that didn't 
> > connect, and bending the pins manually until they all worked.
> >
> > Not practical.
> >
> > But 

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Stephen Adolph]

John,
I wonder how hard it would be to move TMPC to a rom.
we know how to do the trampoline.
I guess if 320 bytes of altlcd is enough variable space for it, it might be
doable without a full disassembly.
..Steve

On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 2:14 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> SuperROM is the best ROM because it has Think outliner... single best
> piece of M100 software IMHO.
>
> TMPC is pretty cool too but it's not ROM'd. Outta be... it's huge.
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Justin Poirier]

My first run was using a 28C256 on a SOIC-28 chip. Same thing you did, I 
used a resistor to hold /WE so that I could pull it with the burner when 
I wanted to erase/re-write the image. But, also like you said, those 
chips are $10 each now and hold a single image. I built the carrier 
(actually, designed in KiCAD and sent to GoldPhoenix for fab), soldered 
the SOIC on and burned it using a DIP-28 to "Molex" adapter that I built 
out of Cat5E wire and a DIP header, with 1" long "fingers" on the other 
size made out of gold-plated spring wire used for craft jewelry. The 
carrier clips into that 28-pin finger arrange, which has all the pins 
for a 28C256 DIP-28 re-mapped to the Molex pinout and the burner just 
sees it as a DIP-28. Works pretty good, but it's a pain, and it's expensive.


So the PROM version uses a AT27C020 in PLCC-32 format on a different (of 
course) carrier, and via a suite of programs I wrote in Perl, builds a 
single ROM image out of 8 32k images, which I burn in the TL866-II. Then 
I solder the chip to the carrier, and the DIP switches select which 
32-image is available at any given time. Simple enough, and it works 
very nicely. I have several of my prototypes in my T102 and several 
T200s. No complaints. The chip is $4 at Digikey, and as long as I get 
the image right, it's one-and-done.


This is a working project. It's done, except for the actual ROM images. 
I have the boards fabricated, the chips on hand, and have a half-dozen 
working prototypes on my bench. I know the REX is a great device, but 
sometimes K.I.S.S. wins out in my head. Sometimes I just need a ROM in 
that slot all the time, and since I have a good number of Ts that are 
all used in various ways, I can't justify putting a REX in each.


--Justin

On 7/8/21 3:19 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

On 7/8/21 10:06 AM, Justin Poirier wrote:
It appears that Club100 on bitchin100 only have a handful of ROM 
images. Where do I go to find SuperROM, Disk+ and those others? They 
have generic enough names that Google has been of very little help.


I have been working on an inexpensive carrier solution (for myself, 
mostly) that will hold (8) ROM images that are selected with a group 
of DIP switches on the carrier itself. Nothing fancy, but if I like 
the results, I could probably crank them out, burned and ready, in 
the $20-$25 range. Not committing to anything at all, since I’m still 
in prototyping, but with (8) ROM slots, I’m not sure what to put in 
them. So far, I made one that has TS-DOS, Ultimate, Cleusseau and 
TS-Random. And since I have twice as much space as all that, it 
includes those titles in both the M100/102 versions as well as the 
M200 version. That seems wasteful. Maybe I’m wrong!


How are you connecting up to burn them? Through the edge connectors 
with a reverse pinout adapter? DIP-28 test clip on the outside edges 
with the wires arranged into a reverse pinout adapter? Or are you just 
burning before soldering and no re-writing after that?


I made this single-rom carrier that, since it's an SOIC package, and I 
have a resistor rather than a trace for /WE, is easy to just connect 
normally with a soic test clip to program.

http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom


But that 28C256 is now OVER $10 just for a single 32k, and I'd like to 
try to ditch the requirement for the test clip if possible, and 
definitely don't want to require an actual Molex socket. (I have molex 
sockets, but I'm trying to make a design anyone can use, not just 
something for myself) So I tried this

https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md

4 or 8 roms (that's just a 4-rom version but 8 would be a 
straightforward progression from there) and no special parts needed, 
and it's even both cheaper and more convenient than the soic-28 test 
clip, and the flash part is both more readily available (multiple 
manufacturers still) and just over $1 instead of over $10.



Which *almost* works as envisioned. The programming adapter is built 
out of all normal off the shelf parts, and the connection between the 
programming adapter and the carrier is made by dint of having the 
holes on the carrier be offset staggered so they work against each 
other. I think I just need a different stagger pattern, and slightly 
more offset to the stagger. I was able to get it to work by tediously 
testing each pin for connection to identify a handful that didn't 
connect, and bending the pins manually until they all worked.


Not practical.

But that was only the first proof of concept, no iteration yet, so 
maybe with a little dialing-in the idea would work out.


But then again maybe that many little pins in that kind of arrangement 
is just never going to be reliable.


So I was thinking of next either using pogo pins, because those are 
actually cheap now, or using long wire-wrapping pins to make something 
that can act like a DIP test clip that can just contact all the edge 
contact pins on the outside like a normal socket does. That would make 

Re: [M100] Must-have ROMs

[Brian K. White]

On 7/8/21 9:23 AM, Jeff Gonzales wrote:
What gear do you need to burn your own ROMs?  I didn't even think the 
chips would still be available in the 21st century.


Chips with the M100 pinout were never available. You always had to take 
a standard chip and use some sort of pinout adapter between the chip and 
the socket, except for multiplan and interactive solutions.


There were several different kinds of adapters people came up with.

I made this
http://tandy.wiki/Teeprom

The chip is normal, and the pcb provides the pinout adapter, and both 
the pcb and the carrier provide the physical fit in the socket.


The necessary gear is all listed there.

It's easy to program and the parts and tools are all stuff you can buy 
new today. But it's hard to justify bothering because for about the same 
money you can get a REX# which is about 20x more useful.


But I just wanted to do it.

I started working on a version 2 that is more difficult to build because 
it uses a TSOP part, but the trade-off is the chip is newer, more 
available, only $1, and holds 4 or 8 roms instead of 1, and the 
programming adapter is cheaper, quicker & easier to use than a test 
clip. But the programming adapter doesn't quite work yet.

https://github.com/bkw777/Teeprom/blob/master/Teeprom2.md


--
bkw


On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:14 AM Justin Poirier > wrote:


I’ve been using my M102 (and later as $$$ allowed, M200s) since the
early ‘90s, but have just gotten into burning my own ROMs for the
ROM slot, now that I’m in a position to fabricate the carrier
boards. I’ve found a half-dozen ROM images (separate images for both
the 100/102 and the 200), but no real descriptions of what I should
be looking into. TS-DOS is a must-have since I have a disk drive,
and that works great, but Sardine, Random, etc all look like they
need additional “support” ROMs, or extra hardware, or are
application-specific in a direction unknown to me. Are there other
ROM images that most people find useful, or are part of the
“must-have” collection? Where do I find them, if they exist?

I realize I’ve just asked a question like “what is the best brand of
motor oil” on a car-enthusiasts forum, but if anyone could throw me
a bone and get me pointed in a good direction, I’m pretty good at
finding the rest of the details myself.

Thanks a lot!

—Justin




--
bkw

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

[Greg Swallow]

Scott,

I know what you mean about space. That's one of the reasons I'm looking at thin 
clients. Most of my computers are full size towers; 2 Micron P4 and 1 Apple 
PowerMac. Just need to make room in the office to organize it.

I do appreciate your effort and time.

Thank you,

GregS <><

Jul 8, 2021 11:04:35 PM Scott McDonnell :

> So, I found my spare PCMCIA adapter and rear panel. I could not yet find the 
> think client that I installed the other one into, so I do not know for 
> certain which model these are for. Many of the other clients in that 
> particular box were all V10s, so chances are pretty high that it is a V10 as 
> well.
>  
> I think they do use the same PCMCIA board. But the rear panel isn’t going to 
> work if it is the wrong model.
>  
> I will look some more over the next few days. My storage space is a bit of a 
> disaster at the moment.
>  
> *From: *Greg Swallow[gswal...@mchsi.com]
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:23 PM
> *To: *Scott McDonnell[m...@bitchin100.com]
> *Subject: *Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>  
> Scott,
> 
> I'll look into the HP. I would expect the HPs to be Windows friendly. I had 
> an C2Q m9200t Pavillion Elite. Great through W7, but openSuse was a dog. I 
> have a Dell inspiron 530 C2D that out performed the HP. Gutted the HP and now 
> the Dell is the Quad.
> 
> Have looked at some 486DX and up SBC, but budget caused me to check out thin 
> clients. The V90LE because I know what to expect inside. I do have a ebay 
> seller just dropped his price to $30 w/ free shipping for two Wyse D200 dual 
> monitor thin clients. May grab them, but  I'll look into HP as well
> 
> GregS <><
>  
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 5:29:35 PM Scott McDonnell :
> 
>> BTW, for one of the test PCs I built here, I needed one with a single PCI 
>> slot that could run Windows 98. I found the HP T5720 with the extension 
>> chassis. That would make a great retro computer with a PCI soundblaster.
>>  
>> I have had a lot of trouble trying to get Windows 98 to run on the Wyse 
>> terminals. It doesn't seem to like the VIA chipset.
>>  
>>  Original message 
>> From: Greg Swallow 
>> Date: 7/8/21 8:18 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: Scott McDonnell 
>> Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>>  
>> Scott,
>> 
>> That would be great!
>> 
>> GregS <><
>>  
>> 
>> Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell :
>> 
>>> I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually 
>>> think mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra 
>>> PCMCIA board for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come 
>>> up very rarely.
>>>  
>>> I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to 
>>> part with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear 
>>> plate for that too.
>>>  
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: Greg Swallow 
>>> Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: Scott McDonnell 
>>> Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
>>>  
>>> Scott,
>>> 
>>> V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose 
>>> to be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ 
>>> PCMCIA on eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close 
>>> look at the tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA 
>>> port.
>>> 
>>> AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
>>> don't mean to go for retro gaming.
>>> 
>>> GregS <><
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :
>>> 
 I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small 
 single-purpose test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE 
 with PCMCIA, but the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those 
 running.
  
 My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have 
 AC97 sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how 
 to get any sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
  
 *From: *Russell Flowers[rflow...@gmail.com]
 *Sent: *Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
 *To: *m...@bitchin100.com
 *Subject: *Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
  
 That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. 
 Maybe it will pop in later.
  
 On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and 
> Lucid for Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and 
> PCMCIA somewhere in North America, but only ones I've found are in 
> Germany. At $100+ after shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to 
> see if anyone has had luck with other models.
> 
> GregS <><
>  
> 
> Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
> 
>> …
 All,
 
 Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC 
 an use with the 

Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

[Scott McDonnell]

So, I found my spare PCMCIA adapter and rear panel. I could not yet find the 
think client that I installed the other one into, so I do not know for certain 
which model these are for. Many of the other clients in that particular box 
were all V10s, so chances are pretty high that it is a V10 as well.

I think they do use the same PCMCIA board. But the rear panel isn’t going to 
work if it is the wrong model.

I will look some more over the next few days. My storage space is a bit of a 
disaster at the moment.

From: Greg Swallow
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:23 PM
To: Scott McDonnell
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC

Scott, 

I'll look into the HP. I would expect the HPs to be Windows friendly. I had an 
C2Q m9200t Pavillion Elite. Great through W7, but openSuse was a dog. I have a 
Dell inspiron 530 C2D that out performed the HP. Gutted the HP and now the Dell 
is the Quad. 

Have looked at some 486DX and up SBC, but budget caused me to check out thin 
clients. The V90LE because I know what to expect inside. I do have a ebay 
seller just dropped his price to $30 w/ free shipping for two Wyse D200 dual 
monitor thin clients. May grab them, but  I'll look into HP as well 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 5:29:35 PM Scott McDonnell :
BTW, for one of the test PCs I built here, I needed one with a single PCI slot 
that could run Windows 98. I found the HP T5720 with the extension chassis. 
That would make a great retro computer with a PCI soundblaster. 

I have had a lot of trouble trying to get Windows 98 to run on the Wyse 
terminals. It doesn't seem to like the VIA chipset. 

 Original message  
From: Greg Swallow  
Date: 7/8/21 8:18 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Scott McDonnell  
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 

Scott, 

That would be great! 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 3:45:53 PM Scott McDonnell :
I just realized that I was confusing the C90LE with the V90LE. I actually think 
mine is a V90LE with the PCMCIA. And I actually bought an extra PCMCIA board 
for a second one that I never used. You are right, these come up very rarely. 

I will check what I have later tonight to be sure. I might be willing to part 
with the spare PCMCIA board. I thimk I have the replacement  rear plate for 
that too. 

 Original message  
From: Greg Swallow  
Date: 7/8/21 2:03 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Scott McDonnell  
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC 

Scott, 

V90 is faster than the V10 and the V90LE the fastest of the series. Suppose to 
be a 50% increase between V98L and the V90LE. I have found V90LE w/ PCMCIA on 
eBay from Germany. Some, in the US, claim to be V90, but a close look at the 
tag photo shows V10. May go the V10 route to get the PCMCIA port. 

AC97 is the why for PCMCIA. Intend to drop an SB16 PCMCIA into it. Though I 
don't mean to go for retro gaming. 

GregS <>< 

Jul 8, 2021 10:47:14 AM Scott McDonnell :
I use the Wyse thin clients quite a bit at my work for small single-purpose 
test PCs with DOS and also at home. I have not seen a V90LE with PCMCIA, but 
the V10 can be found with PCMCIA. I have a few of those running.
 
My only real problem with using them for retro-computing is that they have AC97 
sound with a VIA chipset and I have not been able to figure out how to get any 
sound-blaster compatibility out of them for games.
 
From: Russell Flowers
Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 11:12 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Converting Thin Client to PC
 
That's weird, I don't see Stephen's original reply email to the list. Maybe it 
will pop in later.
 
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 9:33 AM Greg Swallow  wrote:
Steve, 

DOS (DR or Free) with Disk+ and Lucid for DOS. Maybe Windows 3.1 and Lucid for 
Windows. I hope to find a Wyse V90LE XPE with duel video and PCMCIA somewhere 
in North America, but only ones I've found are in Germany. At $100+ after 
shipping kinda cost prohibative. Asking here to see if anyone has had luck with 
other models. 

GregS <>< 
 
Jul 8, 2021 7:18:07 AM Stephen Adolph :
Greg, what are you hoping to run on the converted thin clients? 
 
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:14 AM Greg Swallow  wrote: 
All, 

Am looking to pickup some thin client systems and convert them to Retro PC an 
use with the M100. Too many tower systems taking up space. Just wondering if 
anyone has done such a conversion and what client et al. 

GregS <><