subject:"\[M100\] Slim style DB25\/DE9 connectors"

http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=BCR_TTL_SERIAL_HACK

this hack works well with 8085, based on SOD,
I am working on an NSC800 version, so that "Z80" modified M100s can also
transmit video data out the BCR port.

Background:
SOD pin, normally used to drive the cassette port, can be used as a bit
banger Tx output.  Wiring it directly to the BCR port makes a
bi-directional TTL serial port.
NSC800 does not have a CPU bit-banger port like SOD pin.  So something else
is needed.  Turns out there is an unused I/O port, /Y1, on M100.  That can
also be used to generate bit-banged serial data.
So, I am working on a version that uses the /Y1 port.  code is slightly
different,

..Steve

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

It is a hack I published on the wiki.  It is used to for example drive data
to external video.

I can see I need to make my posts more fun to read!!!


On Wednesday, July 22, 2020, Kurt McCullum  wrote:

> BCR Out? I wasn't aware that the BCR had an output pin.
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Stephen Adolph wrote:
>
> yah, I got it working bi-directional but half duplex.  which is acceptable
> for TPDD protocol, but not normal RS-232.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:31 PM John R. Hogerhuis 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:59 AM Stephen Adolph 
> wrote:
>
>
> I used this board to send 57600baud serial data in/out of the BCR port.
>
>
> Out? That's cool. I thought it was in only.
>
> -- John.
>
>
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-22 Thread Kurt McCullum

BCR Out? I wasn't aware that the BCR had an output pin.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Stephen Adolph wrote:
> yah, I got it working bi-directional but half duplex.  which is acceptable 
> for TPDD protocol, but not normal RS-232.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:31 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:59 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I used this board to send 57600baud serial data in/out of the BCR port.
>>  
>> Out? That's cool. I thought it was in only.
>> 
>> -- John.

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

yah, I got it working bi-directional but half duplex.  which is acceptable
for TPDD protocol, but not normal RS-232.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:31 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:59 AM Stephen Adolph 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I used this board to send 57600baud serial data in/out of the BCR port.
>>
>
> Out? That's cool. I thought it was in only.
>
> -- John.
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-22 Thread John R. Hogerhuis

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 5:59 AM Stephen Adolph  wrote:

>
> I used this board to send 57600baud serial data in/out of the BCR port.
>

Out? That's cool. I thought it was in only.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

as a suggestion if you included a breakout for pin 2, you could also use
this for Tx out on BCR, in line with the "BCR hack" I posted at the wiki.

as an FYI, I have a MAX232 based adapter board that converts TTL to RS-232,
for use with the BCR port.
I could share that if there is interest.
I used this board to send 57600baud serial data in/out of the BCR port.


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 6:10 AM Brian K. White  wrote:

> On 7/13/20 5:41 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote:
> > Looks great. Might be worth adding one more hole that goes to the BCR
> > data in pin for those interested in using it for input.
>
> I ended up making a separate breakout board for hacking/experimenting
>
> Breakout: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/MTOWfRkz
>
> And I've been massaging the usb and wimodem adapters, and the way
> oshpark works, you have to keep creating new links for each revision, so
> the current versions of those are:
>
> USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/mTFeysVg
>
> Vertical USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/OHdw5nqN
>
> WiModem232: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/AXNfGK0n
>
> I just received an earlier version of the WiModem and usb adapters today
> and tested them and they both work.
>
> The BCR port successfully powers the WiModem, but unfortunately the low
> battery light flickers rapidly after a few minutes with fresh nimh
> batterlies, after about an hour with fresh alkalines. Machine still runs
> for at least a couple hours after that. I don't know how long before it
> actually dies, just that the battery light flickers rapidly and
> constantly, and I've had it on for 2 or 3 hours so far.
>
> I'm measuring about 4.85v out while loaded with the WiModem, and drawing
> about 80ma. 75ma when I issue the AT command to turn the led off.
>
> I think it was silly to get the OLED version of this thing. You can get
> all the information you need to operate the modem right in the terminal.
> I think those modules draw about 10-15ma. So between losing the OLED
> module and turning off the led, that could bring it down to as low as 60ma.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/hjoC3vnfZxWbFPRW6
>
> --
> bkw
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-22 Thread Kurt McCullum

Thanks for making the BCR breakout board Brian! Definitely will come in handy.

Kurt

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, at 3:09 AM, Brian K. White wrote:
> On 7/13/20 5:41 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote:
> > Looks great. Might be worth adding one more hole that goes to the BCR 
> > data in pin for those interested in using it for input.
> 
> I ended up making a separate breakout board for hacking/experimenting
> 
> Breakout: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/MTOWfRkz
> 
> And I've been massaging the usb and wimodem adapters, and the way 
> oshpark works, you have to keep creating new links for each revision, so 
> the current versions of those are:
> 
> USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/mTFeysVg
> 
> Vertical USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/OHdw5nqN
> 
> WiModem232: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/AXNfGK0n
> 
> I just received an earlier version of the WiModem and usb adapters today 
> and tested them and they both work.
> 
> The BCR port successfully powers the WiModem, but unfortunately the low 
> battery light flickers rapidly after a few minutes with fresh nimh 
> batterlies, after about an hour with fresh alkalines. Machine still runs 
> for at least a couple hours after that. I don't know how long before it 
> actually dies, just that the battery light flickers rapidly and 
> constantly, and I've had it on for 2 or 3 hours so far.
> 
> I'm measuring about 4.85v out while loaded with the WiModem, and drawing 
> about 80ma. 75ma when I issue the AT command to turn the led off.
> 
> I think it was silly to get the OLED version of this thing. You can get 
> all the information you need to operate the modem right in the terminal. 
> I think those modules draw about 10-15ma. So between losing the OLED 
> module and turning off the led, that could bring it down to as low as 60ma.
> 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/hjoC3vnfZxWbFPRW6
> 
> -- 
> bkw
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-22 Thread Brian K. White


On 7/13/20 5:41 PM, Kurt McCullum wrote:
Looks great. Might be worth adding one more hole that goes to the BCR 
data in pin for those interested in using it for input.


I ended up making a separate breakout board for hacking/experimenting

Breakout: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/MTOWfRkz

And I've been massaging the usb and wimodem adapters, and the way 
oshpark works, you have to keep creating new links for each revision, so 
the current versions of those are:


USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/mTFeysVg

Vertical USB: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/OHdw5nqN

WiModem232: https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/AXNfGK0n

I just received an earlier version of the WiModem and usb adapters today 
and tested them and they both work.


The BCR port successfully powers the WiModem, but unfortunately the low 
battery light flickers rapidly after a few minutes with fresh nimh 
batterlies, after about an hour with fresh alkalines. Machine still runs 
for at least a couple hours after that. I don't know how long before it 
actually dies, just that the battery light flickers rapidly and 
constantly, and I've had it on for 2 or 3 hours so far.


I'm measuring about 4.85v out while loaded with the WiModem, and drawing 
about 80ma. 75ma when I issue the AT command to turn the led off.


I think it was silly to get the OLED version of this thing. You can get 
all the information you need to operate the modem right in the terminal. 
I think those modules draw about 10-15ma. So between losing the OLED 
module and turning off the led, that could bring it down to as low as 60ma.


https://photos.app.goo.gl/hjoC3vnfZxWbFPRW6

--
bkw

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Right!, Which they have in every direction and config you could want, 
easy on amazon, ebay, aliexpress, even startec, lots of laces.


Then the kit is all very tidy.

--
bkw

On 7/13/20 6:08 PM, Gary Weber wrote:
Actually, I should say, Right-angle USB to mini-USB cable, about 2 
inches long.


On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Gary Weber > wrote:


Seems like a right-angle mini-usb connector would be just the
ticket for this.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM Brian K. White
mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I added a version that might or might not be more acceptable
for NEC.

I have the pcb hanging down so the bottom edge of the pcb is
just above
the bottom corner of the laptop. That positions the usb cable
far enough
down that the very end of the molded boot is still below the
top edge of
the laptop. I don't know if this arrangement is the best, but
it was
easy to try and see, and doesn't interfere with either the
serial or
phone ports.

https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/pU895scG

-- 
bkw

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

 >     which is ugly and annoying. You could get a pre-molded
right-angle
>     usb-mini cable and cut the wire and splice to the ribbon
wire from the
>     9-pin.
>

http://www.yourcablestore.com/YCS-Basics-3-Foot-USB-20-Mini-B-Female-to-Right-Angle-Mini-B-Male-Extension-Cable_p_1304.html
>     Blech.
>
>
>
>     For myself, I think I'm going something kind of
unnecessarily fancy. I
>     don't want any external cables, especially on a M100 where
the bcr port
>     isn't right next to the serial. And I don't want anything
sticking even
>     further out that inconveniently positioned usb plug.
>
>     So I found this neat combined lipo charger/manager +
buck/boost power
>     supply. It has everything needed already integrated. A lipo
>     charger/manager to take in usb/4.5v-6v and properly &
safely charge &
>     manage a 3.7v lipo cell, and a buck/boost module to take
the battery
>     power which ranges from 2.5 to 4.2, and outputs both 5v and
3.3. It has
>     a micro-usb for charging input and a JST plug for the lipo
cell. And
>     you
>     can buy the lipo cells in several sizes with a wire and JST
plug
>     already on.
>
> https://hhtronik.com/product/pgcpsu-duo/
> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1570
> https://www.adafruit.com/product/1317
>
>     So the only thing to solder is just 2 short wires for the
output to
>     some
>     place on the WiModem.
>
>     The module supplies bothe 5v and 3.3v.
>     There is no good place to tap the 5v input on the WiModem,
especially
>     not on the OLED version where the oled module covers up the
back of the
>     usb plug, and it's soldered in too.
>
>     But there are at least 2 easy places to access the 3.3v
rail. Assuming
>     the WiModem doesn't actually use the 5v from the usb
anywhere except to
>     feed the 3.3v regulator, it should be fine to just run 3.3
& gnd right
>     to both sides of that yellow cap right behind the usb plug.
Or backfeed
>     into the the pins for the oled. I'll have to test this to
make sure it
>     doesn't maybe use the 5v to power the rs232 level shifter.
>
>     Glue or foam tape the module down and maybe use velcro for
the battery
>     even though mostly you'd never remove it until a few years
later.
>
>     Could even add a 5.5x2.1 dc barrel jack to the input to the
module,
>     because the module can accept up to 6v in place of the usb,
so you
>     could
>     charge it with the laptop charger instead of needing a
separate usb
>     charger. Maybe add a diode to drop the input from the
barrel jack a
>     little just to be safe.
>

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294
>
>
>     But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty
practical to just
>     run
>     a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or
something. An
>     external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a
separate
>     battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.
>
>     --
>     bkw
>
>     On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>      > 
>      > Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
>      > I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can
draw its
>     power
>      > from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little
wire inside the
>      > Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just
sayin'...
>      > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232
>     connection;
>      > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
>      > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
>      > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire
appropriately,
>     cover
>      > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
>      > Something like this, but more compact and with a
straight DB25 and
>      > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on
the wrong
>     side).
>      > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
>      > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
>      > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
>      > m
>      >
>      >     - Original Message -
>      >     *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-13 Thread Gary Weber

Actually, I should say, Right-angle USB to mini-USB cable, about 2 inches
long.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:48 PM Gary Weber  wrote:

> Seems like a right-angle mini-usb connector would be just the ticket for
> this.
>
> On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM Brian K. White 
> wrote:
>
>> I added a version that might or might not be more acceptable for NEC.
>>
>> I have the pcb hanging down so the bottom edge of the pcb is just above
>> the bottom corner of the laptop. That positions the usb cable far enough
>> down that the very end of the molded boot is still below the top edge of
>> the laptop. I don't know if this arrangement is the best, but it was
>> easy to try and see, and doesn't interfere with either the serial or
>> phone ports.
>>
>> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/pU895scG
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-13 Thread Gary Weber

Seems like a right-angle mini-usb connector would be just the ticket for
this.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:45 PM Brian K. White  wrote:

> I added a version that might or might not be more acceptable for NEC.
>
> I have the pcb hanging down so the bottom edge of the pcb is just above
> the bottom corner of the laptop. That positions the usb cable far enough
> down that the very end of the molded boot is still below the top edge of
> the laptop. I don't know if this arrangement is the best, but it was
> easy to try and see, and doesn't interfere with either the serial or
> phone ports.
>
> https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/pU895scG
>
> --
> bkw
>
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors


I added a version that might or might not be more acceptable for NEC.

I have the pcb hanging down so the bottom edge of the pcb is just above 
the bottom corner of the laptop. That positions the usb cable far enough 
down that the very end of the molded boot is still below the top edge of 
the laptop. I don't know if this arrangement is the best, but it was 
easy to try and see, and doesn't interfere with either the serial or 
phone ports.


https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/pU895scG

--
bkw

On 7/13/20 4:50 PM, Brian K. White wrote:
Here's yet another option, instead of a special cable, an adapter that 
just provides a usb jack, and you use whatever cable you might need.


https://github.com/bkw777/BCR_USB_PWR

I've already ordered the parts to try it.

I was worried about needing to figure out some kind of spacers and 
maybe a 2nd small pcb just to get the usb jack a little further away 
from the pcb surface to make room for the molding around the male usb 
plug, but I measured several ordinary usb cables and at least by the 
numbers they should all all just exactly fit. That dimension is 
probably part of a standard.


The direction the usb cable exits is good for M100/102/200, And works 
on a PC-8201/PC-8300 but the usb cable blocks the phone or sio2 port. 
Pointing the other way is no good because that's the serial port. I 
could make a version that points the usb cable straight up, which 
won't actually stick up that far because the pcb can extend down to 
the base of the machine and the usb plug can start pretty close to the 
table.


It could point directly away from the laptop but I personally just 
don't like that because it's always a recipe for breaking plugs from 
the leverage. But the connectors to do that exist and it would be easy 
to make.





--
bkw

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-13 Thread Kurt McCullum

ated. A lipo
>>  > charger/manager to take in usb/4.5v-6v and properly & safely charge &
>>  > manage a 3.7v lipo cell, and a buck/boost module to take the battery
>>  > power which ranges from 2.5 to 4.2, and outputs both 5v and 3.3. It has
>>  > a micro-usb for charging input and a JST plug for the lipo cell. And
>>  > you
>>  > can buy the lipo cells in several sizes with a wire and JST plug
>>  > already on.
>>  > 
>>  > https://hhtronik.com/product/pgcpsu-duo/
>>  > https://www.adafruit.com/product/1570
>>  > https://www.adafruit.com/product/1317
>>  > 
>>  > So the only thing to solder is just 2 short wires for the output to
>>  > some
>>  > place on the WiModem.
>>  > 
>>  > The module supplies bothe 5v and 3.3v.
>>  > There is no good place to tap the 5v input on the WiModem, especially
>>  > not on the OLED version where the oled module covers up the back of the
>>  > usb plug, and it's soldered in too.
>>  > 
>>  > But there are at least 2 easy places to access the 3.3v rail. Assuming
>>  > the WiModem doesn't actually use the 5v from the usb anywhere except to
>>  > feed the 3.3v regulator, it should be fine to just run 3.3 & gnd right
>>  > to both sides of that yellow cap right behind the usb plug. Or backfeed
>>  > into the the pins for the oled. I'll have to test this to make sure it
>>  > doesn't maybe use the 5v to power the rs232 level shifter.
>>  > 
>>  > Glue or foam tape the module down and maybe use velcro for the battery
>>  > even though mostly you'd never remove it until a few years later.
>>  > 
>>  > Could even add a 5.5x2.1 dc barrel jack to the input to the module,
>>  > because the module can accept up to 6v in place of the usb, so you
>>  > could
>>  > charge it with the laptop charger instead of needing a separate usb
>>  > charger. Maybe add a diode to drop the input from the barrel jack a
>>  > little just to be safe.
>>  > 
>> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294
>>  > 
>>  > 
>>  > But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty practical to just
>>  > run
>>  > a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or something. An
>>  > external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a separate
>>  > battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.
>>  > 
>>  > -- 
>>  > bkw
>>  > 
>>  > On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
>>  > > 
>>  > > Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
>>  > > I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its
>>  > power
>>  > > from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the
>>  > > Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
>>  > > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232
>>  > connection;
>>  > > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
>>  > > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
>>  > > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately,
>>  > cover
>>  > > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
>>  > > Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
>>  > > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong
>>  > side).
>>  > > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
>>  > > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
>>  > > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
>>  > > m
>>  > >
>>  > > - Original Message -
>>  > > *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
>>  > <mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
>>  > > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
>>  > <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
>>  > > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
>>  > > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
>>  > >
>>  > > Thanks, Mike. Yes that's about the size I was looking for. I'm
>>  > > using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
>>  > > The slimmer the better. Like this:
>>  > > https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
>>  > >
>>  > > Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get
>>  > tod

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-13 Thread Gary Weber

   https://www.adafruit.com/product/1570
> > https://www.adafruit.com/product/1317
> >
> > So the only thing to solder is just 2 short wires for the output to
> > some
> > place on the WiModem.
> >
> > The module supplies bothe 5v and 3.3v.
> > There is no good place to tap the 5v input on the WiModem, especially
> > not on the OLED version where the oled module covers up the back of
> the
> > usb plug, and it's soldered in too.
> >
> > But there are at least 2 easy places to access the 3.3v rail.
> Assuming
> > the WiModem doesn't actually use the 5v from the usb anywhere except
> to
> > feed the 3.3v regulator, it should be fine to just run 3.3 & gnd
> right
> > to both sides of that yellow cap right behind the usb plug. Or
> backfeed
> > into the the pins for the oled. I'll have to test this to make sure
> it
> > doesn't maybe use the 5v to power the rs232 level shifter.
> >
> > Glue or foam tape the module down and maybe use velcro for the
> battery
> > even though mostly you'd never remove it until a few years later.
> >
> > Could even add a 5.5x2.1 dc barrel jack to the input to the module,
> > because the module can accept up to 6v in place of the usb, so you
> > could
> > charge it with the laptop charger instead of needing a separate usb
> > charger. Maybe add a diode to drop the input from the barrel jack a
> > little just to be safe.
> >
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294
> >
> >
> > But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty practical to just
> > run
> > a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or something. An
> > external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a separate
> > battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.
> >
> > --
> > bkw
> >
> > On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
> >  > 
> >  > Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
> >  > I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its
> > power
> >  > from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside
> the
> >  > Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
> >  > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232
> > connection;
> >  > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
> >  > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
> >  > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately,
> > cover
> >  > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
> >  > Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
> >  > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong
> > side).
> >  > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
> >  > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
> >  > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
> >  > m
> >  >
> >  > - Original Message -
> >  > *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
> > <mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
> >  > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
> > <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
> >  > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
> >  > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
> >  >
> >  > Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.
> I'm
> >  > using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2
> wires.
> >  > The slimmer the better.  Like this:
> >  > https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
> >  >
> >  > Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get
> > today.
> >  > Gary
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein
> > mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>
> >  > <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > __
> >  > Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about
> > the length?
> >  > These any good?
> >  >
> >
> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

er the rs232 level shifter.

Glue or foam tape the module down and maybe use velcro for the battery
even though mostly you'd never remove it until a few years later.

Could even add a 5.5x2.1 dc barrel jack to the input to the module,
because the module can accept up to 6v in place of the usb, so you
could
charge it with the laptop charger instead of needing a separate usb
charger. Maybe add a diode to drop the input from the barrel jack a
little just to be safe.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294


But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty practical to just
run
a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or something. An
external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a separate
battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.

-- 
bkw


On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
 > 
 > Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
 > I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its
power
 > from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the
 > Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
 > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232
connection;
 > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
 > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
 > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately,
cover
 > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
 > Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
 > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong
side).
 > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
 > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
 > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
 > m
 >
 >     - Original Message -
 >     *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
<mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
     >     *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
 >     *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
 >     *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
 >
 >     Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm
 >     using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
 >     The slimmer the better.  Like this:
 > https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
 >
 >     Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get
today.
 >     Gary
 >
 >
 >     On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein
mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>
 >     <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >         __
 >         Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about
the length?
 >         These any good?
 >
https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
 >
 >             - Original Message -----
     >             *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
<mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
 >             *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
 >             *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
 >             *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
 >
 >             Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been
able
 >             to find is this:
 >

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
 >
 >
 >             Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier
 >             aren't made these days.
 >
 >
 >             On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White
 >             mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>
<mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com <mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >                 I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a
really
 >                 good 25 pin when I was trying to find something
good for
 >                 tpdd cables.
 >
 >
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
 >
 >                 If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching
"dsub" on
 >                 digikey and filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll
 >                 through all of them.
 >
 >                 --
 >                 bkw
 >
 >

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

ttle just to be safe.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294


But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty practical to just
run
a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or something. An
external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a separate
battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.

-- 
bkw


On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
 > 
 > Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
 > I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its
power
 > from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the
 > Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
 > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232
connection;
 > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
 > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
 > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately,
cover
 > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
 > Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
 > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong
side).
 > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
 > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
 > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
 > m
 >
 >     - Original Message -
 >     *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
<mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
     >     *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
 >     *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
 >     *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
 >
 >     Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm
 >     using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
 >     The slimmer the better.  Like this:
 > https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
 >
 >     Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get
today.
 >     Gary
 >
 >
 >     On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein
mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>
 >     <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >         __
 >         Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about
the length?
 >         These any good?
 >
https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
 >
 >             - Original Message -----
     >             *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com
<mailto:g...@web8201.com>>
 >             *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com
<mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>>
 >             *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
 >             *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
 >
 >             Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been
able
 >             to find is this:
 >

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
 >
 >
 >             Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier
 >             aren't made these days.
 >
 >
 >             On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White
 >             mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>
<mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com <mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >                 I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a
really
 >                 good 25 pin when I was trying to find something
good for
 >                 tpdd cables.
 >
 >
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
 >
 >                 If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching
"dsub" on
 >                 digikey and filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll
 >                 through all of them.
 >
 >                 --
 >                 bkw
 >
 >                 On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker
 >                 mailto:mbp...@gmail.com>
<mailto:mbp...@gmail.com <mailto:mbp...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
 >
 >                     Gary,
 >
 >                     I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
 >
 >                     Mitch
 >
 >
 >                     On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber
 >

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-12 Thread Gary Weber

t sayin'...
> > I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232 connection;
> > take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
> > Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
> > Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately, cover
> > with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
> > Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
> > right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong side).
> > Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
> > You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
> > https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
> > m
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com>
> > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
> >
> > Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm
> > using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
> > The slimmer the better.  Like this:
> > https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
> >
> > Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get today.
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >     On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein  > <mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > __
> > Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the
> length?
> > These any good?
> >
> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > *From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com>
> > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
> >
> > Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been able
> > to find is this:
> >
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
> >
> >
> > Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier
> > aren't made these days.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White
> > mailto:b.kenyo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really
> > good 25 pin when I was trying to find something good for
> > tpdd cables.
> >
> >
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
> >
> > If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on
> > digikey and filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll
> > through all of them.
> >
> > --
> > bkw
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker
> > mailto:mbp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber
> > mailto:g...@web8201.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone know where you can source this style of
> > D-sub connector anymore?  I like how slim they
> > are.  The only connectors I can find these days
> > are quite a bit larger.
> > https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
> >
> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
> >
> > Thanks for any info,
> >
> >
> > --
> > Gary Weber
> > g...@web8201.com <mailto:g...@web8201.com>
> >
>
>
> --
> bkw
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-12 Thread Gary Weber

>  Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
Nonsense!  Pulling power off the BCR port is *beautiful*!!  :-P

> I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its power
from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the Model
T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
Yeah, I considered that, as I did RTFM.  Just haven't yet decided to make
that kind of a mode inside the NEC yet.

>  straight DB25 and right-angle DE9
I like this idea a lot actually.


On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 12:50 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
>
> I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its power
> from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the Model
> T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
>
> I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232 connection; take
> an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:
> Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
> Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately, cover with
> some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
>
> Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
> right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong side).
> Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)
>
>
> You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
>
> https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
>
> m
>
> - Original Message -----
> *From:* Gary Weber 
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
>
> Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm using
> them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
> The slimmer the better.  Like this:
> https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
>
> Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get today.
> Gary
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein  wrote:
>
>> Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the length?
>>
>> These any good?
>>
>> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Gary Weber 
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
>>
>> Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been able to find is
>> this:
>>
>> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
>>
>>
>> Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these
>> days.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when
>>> I was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
>>>
>>> If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and
>>> filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.
>>>
>>> --
>>> bkw
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector
>>>>> anymore?  I like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these
>>>>> days are quite a bit larger.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
>>>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gary Weber
>>>>> g...@web8201.com
>>>>>
>>>>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-12 Thread Brian K. White

I'd probably sidestep the whole backshell problem and use an IDC plug.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/assmann-wsw-components/A-DFF-09LPIII-FP/HHFP09H-ND/5400097

or the same thing with a cable pre-crimped, strain-relief included in
both cases.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/assmann-wsw-components/H7FXH-0906G/H7FXH-0906G-ND/998799

You'll need a usb plug that you can make as flat as possible...
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/hirose-electric-co-ltd/UX20-MB-5P/UX20-MB-5P-ND/1836470

But then you have a soldered plug with no backshell again, just on the
usb now... At least that is small enough you could just blob some
hot-glue or sugru or even just a piece of grey 3m foam tape to cover
those pins.
Next-best is you're cutting and splicing two different cable together
which is ugly and annoying. You could get a pre-molded right-angle
usb-mini cable and cut the wire and splice to the ribbon wire from the
9-pin.

http://www.yourcablestore.com/YCS-Basics-3-Foot-USB-20-Mini-B-Female-to-Right-Angle-Mini-B-Male-Extension-Cable_p_1304.html
Blech.

For myself, I think I'm going something kind of unnecessarily fancy. I
don't want any external cables, especially on a M100 where the bcr port
isn't right next to the serial. And I don't want anything sticking even
further out that inconveniently positioned usb plug.

So I found this neat combined lipo charger/manager + buck/boost power
supply. It has everything needed already integrated. A lipo
charger/manager to take in usb/4.5v-6v and properly & safely charge &
manage a 3.7v lipo cell, and a buck/boost module to take the battery
power which ranges from 2.5 to 4.2, and outputs both 5v and 3.3. It has
a micro-usb for charging input and a JST plug for the lipo cell. And you
can buy the lipo cells in several sizes with a wire and JST plug already on.

https://hhtronik.com/product/pgcpsu-duo/
https://www.adafruit.com/product/1570
https://www.adafruit.com/product/1317

So the only thing to solder is just 2 short wires for the output to some
place on the WiModem.

The module supplies bothe 5v and 3.3v.
There is no good place to tap the 5v input on the WiModem, especially
not on the OLED version where the oled module covers up the back of the
usb plug, and it's soldered in too.

But there are at least 2 easy places to access the 3.3v rail. Assuming
the WiModem doesn't actually use the 5v from the usb anywhere except to
feed the 3.3v regulator, it should be fine to just run 3.3 & gnd right
to both sides of that yellow cap right behind the usb plug. Or backfeed
into the the pins for the oled. I'll have to test this to make sure it
doesn't maybe use the 5v to power the rs232 level shifter.

Glue or foam tape the module down and maybe use velcro for the battery
even though mostly you'd never remove it until a few years later.

Could even add a 5.5x2.1 dc barrel jack to the input to the module,
because the module can accept up to 6v in place of the usb, so you could
charge it with the laptop charger instead of needing a separate usb
charger. Maybe add a diode to drop the input from the barrel jack a
little just to be safe.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tensility-international-corp/54-00166/839-54-00166-ND/10459294

But after looking at all that, it does seem pretty practical to just run
a cable from the bcr port or the battery compartment or something. An
external cable and plug is kind of hacky, but not having a separate
battery to charge is good, and a wire sure is simpler.

--
bkw

On 7/12/20 3:50 PM, Mike Stein wrote:

Wow! That looks nasty ;-)
I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its power
from pin 9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the
Model T would get rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...
I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232 connection;
take an in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:

Add a right-angle DE9 connector:
Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately, cover
with some epoxy and Bob's your uncle.
Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and
right-angle DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong side).
Think I'll have to build a couple myself ;-)

You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:
https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php
m

- Original Message -
*From:* Gary Weber <mailto:g...@web8201.com>
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Thanks, Mike. Yes that's about the size I was looking for. I'm
using them to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
The slimmer the better. Like this:
https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg

Thanks

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-12 Thread Mike Stein

Wow! That looks nasty ;-)

I believe that like many RS-232 dongles the Firefly can draw its power from pin
9 of the DE-9 connector, so adding a little wire inside the Model T would get
rid of that BCR plug & cable... just sayin'...

I'd also make a custom right angle adapter for the RS-232 connection; take an
in-line DB25 connector, either PCB or solder cup:

Add a right-angle DE9 connector:

Join them together with a bit of perfboard, wire appropriately, cover with some
epoxy and Bob's your uncle.

Something like this, but more compact and with a straight DB25 and right-angle
DE9 (the pins on right-angle DB25s are on the wrong side). Think I'll have to
build a couple myself ;-)

You can also get right-angle DE9 adapters:

https://www.winford.com/products/adr9.php

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- Original Message -
From: Gary Weber
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Thanks, Mike. Yes that's about the size I was looking for. I'm using them
to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
The slimmer the better. Like this:
https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg

Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get today.
Gary

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein wrote:

Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the length?

These any good?

https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
- Original Message -
From: Gary Weber
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Thanks for the tip, Brian. About the best I've been able to find is
this:

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261

Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these
days.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White wrote:

I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin
when I was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/

If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and
filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.

bkw

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker wrote:

Gary,

I may have some in stock. LMK if you want pics.

Mitch

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber wrote:

Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector
anymore? I like how slim they are. The only connectors I can find these days
are quite a bit larger.

https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg

https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg

Thanks for any info,

Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-11 Thread Chris Fezzler

 Bluetooth?
On Saturday, July 11, 2020, 04:48:48 PM EDT, Gary Weber  
wrote:  
 
 Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm using them to 
pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.  The slimmer the better.  
Like this:  https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg
Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get today.Gary

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the length? These any 
good? https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
 - Original Message -  From: Gary Weber  To: m...@bitchin100.com  Sent: 
Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 
connectors 
 Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been able to find is this: 
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
  
 Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these days. 
 
  On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White  wrote:
 
 I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when I was 
trying to find something good for tpdd cables. 
 https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/ 
 If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and filter by 
9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.

-- 
 bkw
  On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:
 
  Gary, 
 I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics. 
 Mitch 
 
  On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
 
  Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?  I 
like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are quite a 
bit larger.    https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg  
 https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg  
 Thanks for any info,   
 
-- 
 Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Thanks, Mike.  Yes that's about the size I was looking for.  I'm using them
to pull power from a BCR port, which is just 2 wires.
The slimmer the better.  Like this:
https://www.web8201.net/images/Bluetooth_BCR_Powered.jpg

Thanks for that link, that just may be the best one can get today.
Gary


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:38 PM Mike Stein  wrote:

> Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the length?
>
> These any good?
>
> https://www.electronicsurplus.com/md9-00j-vl-connector-hoods-for-db9-de9
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Gary Weber 
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 11, 2020 4:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors
>
> Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been able to find is
> this:
>
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261
>
>
> Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these
> days.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White  wrote:
>
>> I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when
>> I was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.
>>
>>
>> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
>>
>> If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and
>> filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.
>>
>> --
>> bkw
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:
>>
>>> Gary,
>>>
>>> I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector
>>>> anymore?  I like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these
>>>> days are quite a bit larger.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
>>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gary Weber
>>>> g...@web8201.com
>>>>
>>>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-11 Thread Mike Stein

Not sure what your criteria are; are you talking about the length?

These any good?

Thanks for the tip, Brian. About the best I've been able to find is this:

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261

Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these days.

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White wrote:

I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when I
was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/

If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and filter
by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.

bkw

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker wrote:

Gary,

I may have some in stock. LMK if you want pics.

Mitch

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber wrote:

Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?
I like how slim they are. The only connectors I can find these days are quite
a bit larger.

https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg

https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg

Thanks for any info,

Gary Weber
g...@web8201.com

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

Thanks for the tip, Brian.   About the best I've been able to find is this:
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/cinch-connectivity-solutions-aim-cambridge/40-9709H/367-1139-ND/3830261


Apparently those half-size hoods that I linked earlier aren't made these
days.


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:08 PM Brian White  wrote:

> I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when I
> was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.
>
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
>
> If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and
> filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.
>
> --
> bkw
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?
>>> I like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are
>>> quite a bit larger.
>>>
>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Weber
>>> g...@web8201.com
>>>
>>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-11 Thread Brian White

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/

-- 
bkw

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 4:08 PM Brian White  wrote:

> I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when I
> was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.
>
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/
>
> If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and
> filter by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.
>
> --
> bkw
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:
>
>> Gary,
>>
>> I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
>>
>> Mitch
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?
>>> I like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are
>>> quite a bit larger.
>>>
>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
>>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>>>
>>> Thanks for any info,
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gary Weber
>>> g...@web8201.com
>>>
>>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-11 Thread Brian White

I don't know about 9 pin, but Mike Stein found a really good 25 pin when I
was trying to find something good for tpdd cables.

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/09670250411/1195-2690-ND/3181274/

If I wasn't on my phone I'd just try searching "dsub" on digikey and filter
by 9 pin instead of 25 and scroll through all of them.

-- 
bkw

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020, 2:14 PM Mitch Parker  wrote:

> Gary,
>
> I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.
>
> Mitch
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?
>> I like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are
>> quite a bit larger.
>>
>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
>> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>>
>> Thanks for any info,
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Weber
>> g...@web8201.com
>>
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

2020-07-11 Thread Mitch Parker

Gary,

I may have some in stock.  LMK if you want pics.

Mitch


On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 1:58 PM Gary Weber  wrote:

> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?  I
> like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are
> quite a bit larger.
>
> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>

Re: [M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors

And by "connector" I really meant to say hood.  The connectors are standard
but every hood assembly out there seems to be about 3x as large as it needs
to be...

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 10:58 AM Gary Weber  wrote:

> Anyone know where you can source this style of D-sub connector anymore?  I
> like how slim they are.  The only connectors I can find these days are
> quite a bit larger.
>
> https://www.web8201.net/images/db9_hood.jpg
> https://www.web8201.net/images/db25_db9_hoods.jpg
>
> Thanks for any info,
>
> --
> Gary Weber
> g...@web8201.com
>

[M100] Slim style DB25/DE9 connectors