Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
doens't say ipad ind escription though?

On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and 
 price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: Adobe suspends work on accessible Flash Player for the Mac.

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
I personally think Adobe Flash will vanish within the next 5 years.  Adobe have 
already stopped developing it for Android and it never arrived on iOS.  I was 
surprised to see Microsoft built support for it into IE 10 for Windows 8.  I 
expect HTML5 to replace many of the features that we came to expect from Flash.

I have uninstalled Flash from my Mac altogether, which means I don't get to see 
as many annoying ads and plus you can use YouTube via HTML5 now.  Oracle are 
another company moving away from Flash, so I honestly think Flash is doomed.

Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:04, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 
 I guess this comes as no surprise, but it seems the folks at Adobe have 
 decided not to make FLash Player accessible on the Mac after all. Adobe made 
 a big deal back in March of 2010 when they announced their intention to make 
 Flash Player accessible on Mac, Linux  Windows. The promise has gone 
 unfulfilled on the Mac and this evening an Adobe representative posted the 
 following as part of a reply to a blog comment:
 
 Begin quote from Adobe representative
 As far as the accessible version of the Flash Player for the Mac, we 
 announced at CSUN about a change in focus for the Flash Player – the Flash 
 Player focus is on casual gaming and video – and the current guidance is to 
 use native controls rather than embedding them within the Flash Player. As a 
 result, the plan to deliver a Flash Player for the Mac with accessibility 
 support was suspended.
 End quote from Adobe representative
 
 I guess the silver lining here is the fact that Adobe mentions native 
 controls which I hope means something potentially more accessible.
 
 Link to the full blog post, which is not specifically addressing Flash 
 Player. The quote comes from the comments section.
 http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2012/06/ruling-on-accessibility-and-the-ada.html#comments
 
 Link to Adobe's March 2010 post announcig the good news about forthcoming 
 Flash accessibility:
 http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html
 
 Bryan
 
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Fwd: ipad

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
fleksy as you can see not ipad compatible yet


Begin forwarded message:

 From: Ioannis Verdelis ioan...@syntellia.com
 Subject: Re: ipad
 Date: 13 July 2012 08:03:00 BST
 To: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com
 
 William
 
 Fleksy will currently work with iPhones. I believe it can be installed on an 
 iPad but will only work on the iPhone emulation mode (in 1x and 2x).
 
 We plan an iPad version soon.
 
 Thanks for getting in touch.
 
 Regards,
 
 Ioannis VerdelisCo-Founder and COOwww.syntellia.com
 
 reply://ioan...@syntellia.com
 +1 (415) 513-0212
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi does the newly release fleksy app work ipad 3?
 
 

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Re: ipad

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
sorry i thaught it did i will wait till it works on i pad then before i buy it 
On 13/07/2012, at 5:24 PM, william lomas wrote:

   fleksy as you can see not ipad compatible yet
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Ioannis Verdelis ioan...@syntellia.com
 Subject: Re: ipad
 Date: 13 July 2012 08:03:00 BST
 To: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com
 
 William
 
 Fleksy will currently work with iPhones. I believe it can be installed on an 
 iPad but will only work on the iPhone emulation mode (in 1x and 2x).
 
 We plan an iPad version soon.
 
 Thanks for getting in touch.
 
 Regards,
 
 Ioannis VerdelisCo-Founder and COOwww.syntellia.com
 
 reply://ioan...@syntellia.com
 +1 (415) 513-0212
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi does the newly release fleksy app work ipad 3?
 
 
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i 
phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant it 
would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:

 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and 
 price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: ipad

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
sorry i was only going by what it said in the requirments 
On 13/07/2012, at 5:24 PM, william lomas wrote:

   fleksy as you can see not ipad compatible yet
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 From: Ioannis Verdelis ioan...@syntellia.com
 Subject: Re: ipad
 Date: 13 July 2012 08:03:00 BST
 To: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com
 
 William
 
 Fleksy will currently work with iPhones. I believe it can be installed on an 
 iPad but will only work on the iPhone emulation mode (in 1x and 2x).
 
 We plan an iPad version soon.
 
 Thanks for getting in touch.
 
 Regards,
 
 Ioannis VerdelisCo-Founder and COOwww.syntellia.com
 
 reply://ioan...@syntellia.com
 +1 (415) 513-0212
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:44 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 hi does the newly release fleksy app work ipad 3?
 
 
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full ipad 
experience

On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i 
 phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant it 
 would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description and 
 price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other wize it 
will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it matter that its 
only i phone size 
On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:

 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full ipad 
 experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i 
 phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant it 
 would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description 
 and price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: Naval Combat

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
not sure have never used that auto feature part of the game before 
On 13/07/2012, at 9:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 Hmm  All of my ships were vertical. How do you change orientation. there was 
 a random ally place ships but I could not find  away to place them down 
 manually or change the orientation. this made me loose big time.
 On Jul 12, 2012, at 3:19 PM, Esther wrote:
 
 Hi Krystal and Matthew,
 
 Naval Combat is an accessible iOS battleship game, which can be played 
 either as a single user against the program on an iPhone or iPod Touch, or 
 in group play through the Game Center.  I hadn't actually tried this game 
 until Krystal posted her question about using it on the iPad.  I downloaded 
 this app onto my iPad by treating it as though I were doing a new purchase 
 from the App Store. The behavior with VoiceOver is odd.  I was able to get 
 this into full screen mode, but although the game displays in portrait mode, 
 just like for the iPhone, VoiceOver announces this as landscape -- even 
 when I have orientation unlocked when I start this up.  Further, in order to 
 flick to the controls I have to flick up (instead of right) or down (instead 
 of left).  But the descriptions are still for the portrait mode play.  This 
 is extremely weird.  I think that someone who actively plays this game, and 
 who also has an iPad should write to the developer.
 
 Matthew, the game has a board or 10 rows (labeled 1 through 10) and 10 
 columns (labeled a through j) on which 5 ships of different lengths are 
 placed either horizontally or vertically.  You'll hear announcements like 
 ship, aircraft carrier, vertical, from i3 to i7 or ship, battleship, 
 horizontal, from c4 to f4 that announce the random placement of these ships 
 on your board.  The positions and orientations of your ships are hidden from 
 your opponent, who will try to launch hits at various squares on your board 
 in attempts to get a hit on one of your ships.  You, in turn, will move 
 about your board, firing in an attempt to sink his ships, at their unknown 
 positions.  When you get a hit, you then try to follow up by striking 
 adjacent squares until you cover all parts of that ship.  You need to decide 
 whether the ship is horizontally or vertically oriented, based on your 
 current position on the board, and the positions of your previous misses or 
 strikes.  You each get points for each successful strike. When you sink a 
 ship, you'll be told what type of ship you destroyed, and the positions of 
 your strikes.  Each round ends when either you or your opponent succeeds in 
 sinking all five of the other's battleships.
 
 HTH. Here's the URL if you're interested.  It was free for the day on July 
 4, 2012, so I posted it to the list.  Hadn't tried playing this myself until 
 Krystal's question.
 •  Naval Combat by Jonas Eckhardt, Tobias Muehlbauer, Wolf Roediger GbR 
 ($0.99)
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/naval-combat/id408833350?mt=8
 
 Krystal asked about contacting the developer for iPad use, and according to 
 their support web page, you can write to the developer at: 
 navalcom...@mindrecursion.com
 They also have a twitter account: @mindrecursion
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Jul 12, 2012, at 3:35 AM, krystal watson wrote:
 
 it will work on i phone i pad and i pod i think 
 On 12/07/2012, at 11:08 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:
 
 What is Naval Combat, and on which systems will it work?
 
 Matthew Chao
 
 At 02:01 AM 7/12/2012, you wrote:
 it was much worse that that i can not even get the app to synk to the i 
 pad i am afraide
 
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Re: Adobe suspends work on accessible Flash Player for the Mac.

2012-07-13 Thread Chris G
Lets all thank Steve Jobs and Apple for the demise of flash.  Apple 
didn't want it on IOS and if you are a web site that wants to reach the 
widest group of people, you don't use flash.  Using flash makes it so 
everyone with an iOS device can't view your site.


It is my understanding while flash works on Android it is slow and not a 
good user experience.  By works, i'm refering to sited users, not sure 
if flash is accessible on Android.




On 7/13/2012 3:27 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

I personally think Adobe Flash will vanish within the next 5 years.  Adobe have 
already stopped developing it for Android and it never arrived on iOS.  I was 
surprised to see Microsoft built support for it into IE 10 for Windows 8.  I 
expect HTML5 to replace many of the features that we came to expect from Flash.

I have uninstalled Flash from my Mac altogether, which means I don't get to see 
as many annoying ads and plus you can use YouTube via HTML5 now.  Oracle are 
another company moving away from Flash, so I honestly think Flash is doomed.

Chris
On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:04, Bryan Jones wrote:


Hi Folks,

I guess this comes as no surprise, but it seems the folks at Adobe have decided not 
to make FLash Player accessible on the Mac after all. Adobe made a big deal back in 
March of 2010 when they announced their intention to make Flash Player accessible 
on Mac, Linux  Windows. The promise has gone unfulfilled on the Mac and this 
evening an Adobe representative posted the following as part of a reply to a blog 
comment:

Begin quote from Adobe representative
As far as the accessible version of the Flash Player for the Mac, we announced at 
CSUN about a change in focus for the Flash Player – the Flash Player focus is on casual 
gaming and video – and the current guidance is to use native controls rather than 
embedding them within the Flash Player. As a result, the plan to deliver a Flash Player 
for the Mac with accessibility support was suspended.
End quote from Adobe representative

I guess the silver lining here is the fact that Adobe mentions native 
controls which I hope means something potentially more accessible.

Link to the full blog post, which is not specifically addressing Flash Player. 
The quote comes from the comments section.
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2012/06/ruling-on-accessibility-and-the-ada.html#comments

Link to Adobe's March 2010 post announcig the good news about forthcoming 
Flash accessibility:
http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we shall 
see

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 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other wize 
 it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it matter that 
 its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full ipad 
 experience
 
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 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i 
 phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant it 
 would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description 
 and price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or 
 not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
if we only have to pay once that would be good 
On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:

 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other wize 
 it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it matter that 
 its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full ipad 
 experience
 
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 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and i 
 phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that meant 
 it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description 
 and price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or 
 not 
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 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread William Mutch
Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and 
 i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that 
 meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the description 
 and price might get it later not sure if i would find it any easier or 
 not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
how big is the screen that you have to type on?

On 13 Jul 2012, at 10:53, William Mutch wmmu...@me.com wrote:

 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and 
 i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that 
 meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
Tthaught it would as it said in the requirment that it did 
On 13/07/2012, at 7:53 PM, William Mutch wrote:

 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and 
 i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that 
 meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't know 
what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a word like 
bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 7:53 PM, 
William Mutch wrote:

 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad and 
 i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that that 
 meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
now but when you flick to the right it word not what youw ant you just flick up 
and down apparently

On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:16, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't know 
 what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a word like 
 bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 7:53 PM, 
 William Mutch wrote:
 
 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad 
 and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that 
 that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello everybody

If you're interested in trying the new build of DropBox, you can download it at 
the following URL. We've made it available for your convenience. When you run 
the app, do not just copy it to your /applications folder; run the app direct 
from the disk image and that way it will give you an accessible setup.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/DropBox/Mac%20OS%20X/Dropbox%201.5.8.dmg

enjoy!

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Well, I am usually the last to try these alternative input methods.  I got 
bored with using the built in dictate for example.  For some reason I really 
wanted to try this app despite being a bit sceptical.  After 30 seconds of 
using it I have to say instantly I am very impressed!  I am typing like I was 
when I first got the iPhone back in 2008 (I had vision then).  This input 
method is quite accurate, intuitive and enjoyable. I would love to see this 
actually implemented directly into the OS.

I can see myself using this for typing emails, notes, or lengthy messages.  I 
don't think I would use it for conversations via text though, hence why I would 
like to see it added as a keyboard option to enable this.

This app really is good and I can't believe how quick I have picked it up and 
how few errors I have made.  Even if you do type the wrong word, you can easily 
cycle through suggested alternatives by swiping down.  Punctuation is so much 
easier too.

Chris 

ps I used the application to type this message!
Sent from my iPhone 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:23, william lomas wrote:

 now but when you flick to the right it word not what youw ant you just flick 
 up and down apparently
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:16, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't know 
 what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a word 
 like bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 7:53 
 PM, William Mutch wrote:
 
 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad 
 and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that 
 that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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RE: DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Missy Hoppe
Hello. I tried following your instructions multiple times, but no setup, 
accessible or otherwise, ever showed up. So, I had
no choice but to copy the dropbox.app file into my apps folder like I always 
do. I did the thing that I usually do from
within package contents, but that didn't do much either. I even deleted the 
previous version just in case that was the
problem. The point is, I never encountered a setup of any kind, but dropbox 
seems to be running, so I guess that's all that
matters. These instructions just seem baffling to me since they did absolutely 
nothing. If I missed something, which is
entirely possible, I humbly apologize, but my experience suggests that the 
steps you've provided accomplish absolutely
nothing. Maybe it only works on a system that has never had dropbox installed 
before?
Missy

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel 
Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:36 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: DropBox version Update

Hello everybody

If you're interested in trying the new build of DropBox, you can download it at 
the following URL. We've made it available
for your convenience. When you run the app, do not just copy it to your 
/applications folder; run the app direct from the
disk image and that way it will give you an accessible setup.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/DropBox/Mac%20OS%20X/Dropbox%201.5.8.dmg

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Re: Adobe suspends work on accessible Flash Player for the Mac.

2012-07-13 Thread Mike Arrigo
Adobe is also moving away from flash on android and other mobile platforms, 
hopefully web developers will get rid of flash and move to html 5, that's the 
real solution here.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hi Folks,
 
 I guess this comes as no surprise, but it seems the folks at Adobe have 
 decided not to make FLash Player accessible on the Mac after all. Adobe made 
 a big deal back in March of 2010 when they announced their intention to make 
 Flash Player accessible on Mac, Linux  Windows. The promise has gone 
 unfulfilled on the Mac and this evening an Adobe representative posted the 
 following as part of a reply to a blog comment:
 
 Begin quote from Adobe representative
 As far as the accessible version of the Flash Player for the Mac, we 
 announced at CSUN about a change in focus for the Flash Player – the Flash 
 Player focus is on casual gaming and video – and the current guidance is to 
 use native controls rather than embedding them within the Flash Player. As a 
 result, the plan to deliver a Flash Player for the Mac with accessibility 
 support was suspended.
 End quote from Adobe representative
 
 I guess the silver lining here is the fact that Adobe mentions native 
 controls which I hope means something potentially more accessible.
 
 Link to the full blog post, which is not specifically addressing Flash 
 Player. The quote comes from the comments section.
 http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2012/06/ruling-on-accessibility-and-the-ada.html#comments
 
 Link to Adobe's March 2010 post announcig the good news about forthcoming 
 Flash accessibility:
 http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility/2010/03/flash_player_and_flex_support.html
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
i got the app not good at using it yet but i will get there 
On 13/07/2012, at 10:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote:

 Well, I am usually the last to try these alternative input methods.  I got 
 bored with using the built in dictate for example.  For some reason I really 
 wanted to try this app despite being a bit sceptical.  After 30 seconds of 
 using it I have to say instantly I am very impressed!  I am typing like I was 
 when I first got the iPhone back in 2008 (I had vision then).  This input 
 method is quite accurate, intuitive and enjoyable. I would love to see this 
 actually implemented directly into the OS.
 
 I can see myself using this for typing emails, notes, or lengthy messages.  I 
 don't think I would use it for conversations via text though, hence why I 
 would like to see it added as a keyboard option to enable this.
 
 This app really is good and I can't believe how quick I have picked it up and 
 how few errors I have made.  Even if you do type the wrong word, you can 
 easily cycle through suggested alternatives by swiping down.  Punctuation is 
 so much easier too.
 
 Chris 
 
 ps I used the application to type this message!
 Sent from my iPhone 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:23, william lomas wrote:
 
 now but when you flick to the right it word not what youw ant you just flick 
 up and down apparently
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:16, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't know 
 what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a word 
 like bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 7:53 
 PM, William Mutch wrote:
 
 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad 
 and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that 
 that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find 
 it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi William

This seems to be explicit enough, it talks about the iPhone, no mention of the 
iPad.  I would, therefore, assume that it won't work on the iPad.

On 13 Jul 2012, at 07:03, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

doens't say ipad ind escription though?

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
we should all email apple to lobby them 

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:24, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 i got the app not good at using it yet but i will get there 
 On 13/07/2012, at 10:01 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 Well, I am usually the last to try these alternative input methods.  I got 
 bored with using the built in dictate for example.  For some reason I really 
 wanted to try this app despite being a bit sceptical.  After 30 seconds of 
 using it I have to say instantly I am very impressed!  I am typing like I 
 was when I first got the iPhone back in 2008 (I had vision then).  This 
 input method is quite accurate, intuitive and enjoyable. I would love to see 
 this actually implemented directly into the OS.
 
 I can see myself using this for typing emails, notes, or lengthy messages.  
 I don't think I would use it for conversations via text though, hence why I 
 would like to see it added as a keyboard option to enable this.
 
 This app really is good and I can't believe how quick I have picked it up 
 and how few errors I have made.  Even if you do type the wrong word, you can 
 easily cycle through suggested alternatives by swiping down.  Punctuation is 
 so much easier too.
 
 Chris 
 
 ps I used the application to type this message!
 Sent from my iPhone 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:23, william lomas wrote:
 
 now but when you flick to the right it word not what youw ant you just 
 flick up and down apparently
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:16, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 is it worth the $15 is it really that easy to use? i am scared i won't 
 know what i am typing if it does not say like for example i am writing a 
 word like bat will it say b a t as you press each letter n 13/07/2012, at 
 7:53 PM, William Mutch wrote:
 
 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once 
 we shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? 
 other wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely 
 does it matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the 
 full ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad 
 and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that 
 that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find 
 it any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
 Take care all.
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread William Mutch
Hi, there is a button on the lower right of the screen which allows you to take 
advantage of the larger screen. You can then turn the ipad on its side allowing 
you to use the app in portrait mode. 

Sent from my iPad

On 13 Jul 2012, at 12:01, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

 how big is the screen that you have to type on?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 10:53, William Mutch wmmu...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, flexsy does work on the ipad i, am using it right now
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:32, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 if we only have to pay once that would be good 
 On 13/07/2012, at 6:20 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 not sure to be honest you have a fair point i think you only buy once we 
 shall see
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 09:09, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok isn't there a button to fix that though or does that not work? other 
 wize it will be 30 dollars for both versions more than likely does it 
 matter that its only i phone size 
 On 13/07/2012, at 5:58 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 i think it does but the screen size will b that of iphone not the full 
 ipad experience
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 08:58, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com 
 wrote:
 
 it does say it in the requirments that it will work on a i pod i pad 
 and i phone if you do not beleive me then take a look i thaugt that 
 that meant it would work on the i pad but at least they will fix it  
 On 13/07/2012, at 4:03 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 doens't say ipad ind escription though?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:49, krystal watson 
 krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 yes it does i have not broght it yet but have looked at the 
 description and price might get it later not sure if i would find it 
 any easier or not 
 On 13/07/2012, at 3:13 PM, william lomas wrote:
 
 ok does it work on ipad?
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 06:06, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Hello

Did you just mount the disk and then run the app? It works every time here.

Lynne

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:11, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:

Hello. I tried following your instructions multiple times, but no setup, 
accessible or otherwise, ever showed up. So, I had
no choice but to copy the dropbox.app file into my apps folder like I always 
do. I did the thing that I usually do from
within package contents, but that didn't do much either. I even deleted the 
previous version just in case that was the
problem. The point is, I never encountered a setup of any kind, but dropbox 
seems to be running, so I guess that's all that
matters. These instructions just seem baffling to me since they did absolutely 
nothing. If I missed something, which is
entirely possible, I humbly apologize, but my experience suggests that the 
steps you've provided accomplish absolutely
nothing. Maybe it only works on a system that has never had dropbox installed 
before?
Missy

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel 
Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:36 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: DropBox version Update

Hello everybody

If you're interested in trying the new build of DropBox, you can download it at 
the following URL. We've made it available
for your convenience. When you run the app, do not just copy it to your 
/applications folder; run the app direct from the
disk image and that way it will give you an accessible setup.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/DropBox/Mac%20OS%20X/Dropbox%201.5.8.dmg

enjoy!

Lynne

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Andrea Breier
Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what 
you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, 
but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait and 
watch the reviews for a while.




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
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Here is there link. I just love this app!

http://fleksy.com/app

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
if was intigrated i dont think be too much but as it isn't for now, I think it 
is.
but as people say they need to make money

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:48, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:

 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what 
 you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, 
 but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait and watch 
 the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
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 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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RE: DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Missy Hoppe
I was supposed to open the .bmg and then open the dropbox.app file from there, 
right? If that's the correct prcedure, I tried
it 3 or 4 times and absolutely nothing happened. I tested it by sending a file 
between computers, though, and the old way of
installing worked exactly as expected.

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel 
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Subject: Re: DropBox version Update

Hello

Did you just mount the disk and then run the app? It works every time here.

Lynne

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:11, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:

Hello. I tried following your instructions multiple times, but no setup, 
accessible or otherwise, ever showed up. So, I had
no choice but to copy the dropbox.app file into my apps folder like I always 
do. I did the thing that I usually do from
within package contents, but that didn't do much either. I even deleted the 
previous version just in case that was the
problem. The point is, I never encountered a setup of any kind, but dropbox 
seems to be running, so I guess that's all that
matters. These instructions just seem baffling to me since they did absolutely 
nothing. If I missed something, which is
entirely possible, I humbly apologize, but my experience suggests that the 
steps you've provided accomplish absolutely
nothing. Maybe it only works on a system that has never had dropbox installed 
before?
Missy

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Hello everybody

If you're interested in trying the new build of DropBox, you can download it at 
the following URL. We've made it available
for your convenience. When you run the app, do not just copy it to your 
/applications folder; run the app direct from the
disk image and that way it will give you an accessible setup.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/DropBox/Mac%20OS%20X/Dropbox%201.5.8.dmg

enjoy!

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
I think that perhaps those who are unhappy about this should discuss calmly and 
patiently with the developer of the app? Demanding something like this usually 
doesn't work.  My understanding is that this is not directly an Apple 
application.  It's just a fact that some applications work better on one device 
than another.  I really don't understand the fuss, to be honest.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:21, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

we should all email apple to lobby them 

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Mike Maslo
Pay for quality

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:

 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what 
 you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, 
 but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait and watch 
 the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
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 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread william lomas
meant if we all want the intigration calmly email apple, explaining how fleksy 
can be used to assist the blind to use the product in a similar manner to that 
of their sighted colleagues when typing

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:51, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 I think that perhaps those who are unhappy about this should discuss calmly 
 and patiently with the developer of the app? Demanding something like this 
 usually doesn't work.  My understanding is that this is not directly an Apple 
 application.  It's just a fact that some applications work better on one 
 device than another.  I really don't understand the fuss, to be honest.
 
 Gordon
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Mike Maslo
I would pay 30 for it

Some want it for free

Guess can't make all happy

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:51 AM, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

 if was intigrated i dont think be too much but as it isn't for now, I think 
 it is.
 but as people say they need to make money
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:48, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what 
 you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, 
 but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait and 
 watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
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 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
no all i meant was why buy it twice if there is no need to do so if it works on 
i pad already then why buy it again and any how its good for some and it works 
for some and not others and apple may not be able to put it in there any way at 
the end of the day its up to the app dev if that happens 
On 13/07/2012, at 10:56 PM, Mike Maslo wrote:

 I would pay 30 for it
 
 Some want it for free
 
 Guess can't make all happy
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:51 AM, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if was intigrated i dont think be too much but as it isn't for now, I think 
 it is.
 but as people say they need to make money
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:48, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
 what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
 cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
 and watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
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 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Andrea Breier
It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL



Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Mike Maslo

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Pay for quality

Sent from my iPhone

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Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
and watch the reviews for a while.




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
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Here is there link. I just love this app!

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
I don't get this.  The app is there, all you have to do is install it and 
you're good to go.  Apple isn't the developer of this application as far as I 
am aware.  So I really don't see the problem.  What you're saying is you want 
Apple to hijack the developer's application and implement it as part of the 
operating system.  Come on, be fair. :)

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:56, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:

meant if we all want the intigration calmly email apple, explaining how fleksy 
can be used to assist the blind to use the product in a similar manner to that 
of their sighted colleagues when typing

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i could 
have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is the only 
thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you like it  
before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i chose to try 
it and if i don't like it then its my fault 
On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
 for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
 try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
 always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get what 
 you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded cool, 
 but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait and 
 watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Do you have the latest version working though?  Obviously it's your call but if 
you try to delete an app which is running, you'll get an error.  So it is 
necessary to disable DropBox from logging in automatically when you start the 
session or the machine.  I see where you're coming from when you say if it 
isn't broken.  But it just might be broken.  Anyway, there you are, you must do 
what you think is right for you, and I really hope you are correct and it's 
working.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:16, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, but since it's working now, I see no point in 
messing with it. I might experiment with it on my SL
install, assuming the newest dropbox still works with that, but on the whole, 
if it isn't broke, I see no point in fixing it.
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi

Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programmes into the App 
store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, 
I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that it does 
happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what you're 
getting with your iOS device for free.  VoiceOver itself took a great deal of 
development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of us.  The 
developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said 
earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal 
decision.

Gordon

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It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Andrea Breier
That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just apps 
for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for them, 
but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps 
if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few apps 
on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that are 
usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume that 
something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is all 
I am saying.




Hugs,
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-Original Message- 
From: krystal watson

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault

On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
automatically boosted to four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL



Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
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Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Pay for quality

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Sandy Tomkins
Hallo Gordon,

Actually, I think this app is good enough to be incorporated into the IOS 
and, unless I am much mistaken, there is at least one precedent, I.E. Siri 
existed as an independent app before the 4s came out. I think I am right in 
saying that Apple bought it and incorporated it. I have already asked my 
sighted partner to try it out and he was zipping along at a rate of knotts, 
very impressed! I have heard from many friends that even when using the v 
keyboard as a sighted person it is too easy to hit the wrong letter, not 
everybody's fingers are small enough to manage efficiently on the small iphone 
screens. So, maybe, this app will have a glorious future!

While on the subject of using some of the accessibility features of IOS and 
its Apps, I am showing sighted friends who have the apple devices how to use 
large text in settings to make reading emails, texts etc much more enjoyable 
as the default font size on the small screens is very hard on the eyes.

Happy Fleksing! Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 I don't get this.  The app is there, all you have to do is install it and 
 you're good to go.  Apple isn't the developer of this application as far as I 
 am aware.  So I really don't see the problem.  What you're saying is you want 
 Apple to hijack the developer's application and implement it as part of the 
 operating system.  Come on, be fair. :)
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:56, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 meant if we all want the intigration calmly email apple, explaining how 
 fleksy can be used to assist the blind to use the product in a similar manner 
 to that of their sighted colleagues when typing
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Sandy Tomkins
Hey Crystal,

I thought this too, but find you can use the keyboard in the same way you 
would normally. So, you can touch a key and stay there until you hear the 
letter then you can move, not lifting your finger, around the keyboard till you 
hear the letter you are wanting. So, the best of both worlds. Don't give up on 
it just yet, I think you will find it gets easier and easier!
Sandy. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:30, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:

 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i could 
 have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is the 
 only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you like 
 it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i chose 
 to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault 
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
 what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
 cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
 and watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
thanks asked the dev and he just told me about that the holding finger on 
keyboard thing smiley its i can tell it will get better soon take care all 
On 14/07/2012, at 12:18 AM, Sandy Tomkins wrote:

 Hey Crystal,
 
I thought this too, but find you can use the keyboard in the same way you 
 would normally. So, you can touch a key and stay there until you hear the 
 letter then you can move, not lifting your finger, around the keyboard till 
 you hear the letter you are wanting. So, the best of both worlds. Don't give 
 up on it just yet, I think you will find it gets easier and easier!
Sandy. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:30, krystal watson krystalwat...@bluebottle.com wrote:
 
 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
 could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
 the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
 like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
 chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault 
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted 
 to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
 what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
 cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
 and watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
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 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Gordon makes a valid point.  I am sure I paid more for Navigon, M Daisy, Blind 
Square (and never use it) ZoomReader, Digitize barcode scanning etc.  In the UK 
the app is about £10, and I think it is a small price to pay if it is going to 
make your life a bit easier.  The developers have made the API available for 
other developers, so watch this space I guess.

How much did you all pay for a bluetooth keyboard or braille input device? bet 
it was more than $15 

Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:12, Gordon Smith wrote:

 I think the decision regarding the price being too high is entirely a 
 personal one.  To be honest, I think that $15.00 isn't too bad a price if you 
 get value from the application.  Remember also that development costs money, 
 and those of us who provide services for others don't get our resources for 
 free.  The Internet is not self-funded, although a lot of people just seem to 
 assume that it is a free for all.  Here at Mac Access we do our best to help 
 those who we can help.  We offer hosting for visually impaired people for 
 free or for cost price if we need to register a top level domain for them. 
 But I am straying off the point.  The price is the price, it's really a 
 simple personal choice as to whether or not you pay it.   It's value for 
 money if you get good use out of the application.  If you do not, well, you 
 made the choice.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 13:51, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 if was intigrated i dont think be too much but as it isn't for now, I think 
 it is.
 but as people say they need to make money
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
If you had to listen to every letter you type, it would slow the typing process 
down and that can already be achieved with touch typing mode on the iPhone as 
standard with VO.  The idea behind this app is to be able to type faster and 
more efficiently.  If you hold your finger long enough on the keyboard to enter 
words in manually, you can then hear each letter.

If you have not done so already, I would seriously recommend reading the 
instructions or listening to the demo preview podcast on applevis.com 

Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:30, krystal watson wrote:

 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i could 
 have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is the 
 only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you like 
 it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i chose 
 to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault 
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
 what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
 cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
 and watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Andrea Breier
Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
compared to other apps in the app store




Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: Gordon Smith

Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Hi

Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
personal decision.


Gordon

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It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL


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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread krystal watson
i have already read the instructions and that is what the dev told me to do so 
only doing what he told me to do he told me to hold my finger down on the 
keyboard to here each letter so that is what i did 
On 14/07/2012, at 12:32 AM, Chris Moore wrote:

 If you had to listen to every letter you type, it would slow the typing 
 process down and that can already be achieved with touch typing mode on the 
 iPhone as standard with VO.  The idea behind this app is to be able to type 
 faster and more efficiently.  If you hold your finger long enough on the 
 keyboard to enter words in manually, you can then hear each letter.
 
 If you have not done so already, I would seriously recommend reading the 
 instructions or listening to the demo preview podcast on applevis.com 
 
 Chris 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:30, krystal watson wrote:
 
 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
 could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
 the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
 like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
 chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault 
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted 
 to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone think $15. is a lot of money to type outside the app to get 
 what you want?  I listened to a couple of pod casts and thought it sounded 
 cool, but I am disappointed that the price is so high.  Guess I will wait 
 and watch the reviews for a while.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Sarah Alawami
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 12:06 AM
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
 Subject: fleksy is out!
 
 Here is there link. I just love this app!
 
 http://fleksy.com/app
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Hello Abdrea

Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the developer's 
website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware isn't allowed 
in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and conditions.

I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to comment 
when I've seen it.

On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility tab 
but didn't see it there.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:

Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store and 
this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this particular app. 
 It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far as trials provided 
in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several apps that had in 
app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also apps that had a thirty 
day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact app, but it was a gps app 
that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I 
don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first post, I think this app sounds 
really cool, I just think it is a high price compared to other apps in the app 
store



Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

Hi

Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App store. 
 As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually impaired, I'm 
sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that it does happen on 
the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what you're getting with 
your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great deal of development 
and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of us.  The developers of 
this application do have to cover their costs, and as I said earlier whether or 
not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a personal decision.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:

It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
four times the price.
Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Gordon,

Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:

 Hello Abdrea
 
 Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
 developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
 isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
 conditions.
 
 I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
 comment when I've seen it.
 
 On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
 how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
 tab but didn't see it there.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
 for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
 try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Chris

I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor before!  
I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll have to do that.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

Gordon,

Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:

 Hello Abdrea
 
 Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
 developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
 isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
 conditions.
 
 I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
 comment when I've seen it.
 
 On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
 how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
 tab but didn't see it there.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
 for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
 try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
 always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Dan Eickmeier
Hi Gordon,  typing mode  is one of the options in the roter. After selecting 
that, you'll be able to pick between standard, and touch typing.  

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-07-13, at 12:47 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote:

 Hello Abdrea
 
 Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
 developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that trial-ware 
 isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their terms and 
 conditions.
 
 I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
 comment when I've seen it.
 
 On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody know 
 how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the accessibility 
 tab but didn't see it there.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
 for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
 try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
 always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Mike Maslo
I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
the purpose of complaining? 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:

 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great idea 
 for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to give it a 
 try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day trial.  I can 
 always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in Safari 
(such as Headings, lists, tables etc).  The gesture also works on the Mac track 
pad.  Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 o'clock, then 
rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other at 6.  Very 
much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier.  Give it a go, and if you like 
it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your rotor,  I could not 
live without this convenience, even on the Mac when testing websites.


Chris 
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote:

 Hi Chris
 
 I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor 
 before!  I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll have 
 to do that.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
 Gordon,
 
 Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then flick 
 up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
 
 Hello Abdrea
 
 Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
 developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that 
 trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their 
 terms and conditions.
 
 I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
 comment when I've seen it.
 
 On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody 
 know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the 
 accessibility tab but didn't see it there.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Simple, blind people want everything for free!  Let's remember folks that we 
are a small group compared to the non sighted world.  Either way, dev costs 
have to be met and of course if there is more people who could buy the app, 
then the price is obviously going to be cheaper as the app will pay for itself 
with a higher volume of sales.  So the blind targeted apps are not going to 
sell as many mainstream apps.  I am sure one or two of you have paid a few 
dollars for a blind friendly game.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:54, Mike Maslo wrote:

 I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
 If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
 something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
 constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
 application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
 the purpose of complaining? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As far 
 as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded several 
 apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, and also 
 apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall the exact 
 app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your routs.  Maybe 
 others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said in my first 
 post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a high price 
 compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a great 
 deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for all of 
 us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their costs, and as 
 I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the price is entirely a 
 personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted to 
 four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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Terminal fun: Deleting repetitive files in OS X | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews

2012-07-13 Thread Sarah Alawami
I might caution you to be very careful when executing these commands. They will 
do what you want them  to so review the files list. Link is below.


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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

2012-07-13 Thread John Panarese
This has been a topic that has come up several times.  Some folks are told 
by Apple techs that the Mini can work without a monitor and some people have no 
trouble with that setup.  However, others, like myself, had oddities occur 
without a monitor connected, such as VoiceOver not starting at startup 
automatically, system preference changes not sticking, finder bogging down and 
some Safari weirdness.  There is a setup that one can use to trick the Mini 
into thinking you have a monitor, but that will cost about $60 as an 
investment.  You would have to weigh that against simply buying a cheap monitor.


Take Care

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On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Diane Bomar diane.ale...@att.net wrote:

 I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
 screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
 is not attached, and sometimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.
 
 It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
 a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
 taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
 fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
 of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
 is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
 outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run into 
 problems.
 
 Diane
 - Original Message - From: Eric Caron eric_ca...@mac-access.net
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2012 7:25 PM
 Subject: Mac mini July 2011 screen question
 
 
 Hi listers,
 
 If all goes well I just purchased a late July 2011 mac Mini.  It comes with 
 full size keyboard and magic mouse and two additional 4 gig sticks of ram.  
 so my first question is does this mini need a screen to function correctly?  
 If so I will want to start bargain  shopping soon.
 
 next question is, are there folks out there using this model and do you have 
 any good or bad feedback for me?  It came with Lyon and currently has 2 gigs 
 ram but I will put in the 8 gigs when it arrives.
 
 Tips on mid 2011 Mac Mini's wanted.
 
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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Gordon Smith
Hi Mike

I assume you meant to say counterproductive, not country productive, LOL!  But 
yes, quite right.  It's a totally vacuous exercise to complain about the price 
of an application on list.  If anybody has a problem with a specific 
application, the best avenue to follow is directly with the developer.  Mac 
Access isn't monitored by that particular developer, yet!  But quite right, 
let's try and be constructive.   I was quite happy with the price I just paid, 
so that's it, I bought it.  £10.49 GBP is, to me at least, a very reasonable 
price to pay.

Gordon

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I think it is country productive to cry about a price. 
If you think a application is to expensive don't buy it. Why keep crying over 
something you can't do a thing about it. I thought this list was for 
constructive criticism and not. A arena to complain about a price of a 
application. As Gordon states earlier some like it and others don't. What is 
the purpose of complaining? 

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Re: fleksy is out!

2012-07-13 Thread Chris Moore
Next time you are in Safari, just give it a go and then flick up and down to 
jump between headings etc. Actually makes surfing on the iPhone and iPad really 
enjoyable.
On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:28, Gordon Smith wrote:

 Hi Chris
 
 Wow!  How on earth did I ever live without that!  Thanks for pointing me in 
 the right direction.  To be utterly honest I've never used the rotor function 
 on any platform because I've never found the need for it.  I still don't use 
 the trackpad on my Macs, I just can't get out of the habit of keyboard use, 
 engrained in me for a very long time I guess.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 18:04, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
 Very easy Gordon and extremely useful when switching between elements in 
 Safari (such as Headings, lists, tables etc).  The gesture also works on the 
 Mac track pad.  Place your thumb at 9 o'clock and your index finger at 3 
 o'clock, then rotate both fingers so you are pointing one at 12 and the other 
 at 6.  Very much like turning a volume dial on a amplifier.  Give it a go, 
 and if you like it then go into the VO settings and add more items to your 
 rotor,  I could not live without this convenience, even on the Mac when 
 testing websites.
 
 
 Chris 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:55, Gordon Smith wrote:
 
 Hi Chris
 
 I'll have to be absolutely honest here, I've never even used the rotor 
 before!  I have never found the need to investigate it.  So I guess I'll 
 have to do that.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:51, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote:
 
 Gordon,
 
 Go to any text entry field, use the rotor, select typing mode, and then 
 flick up and down to toggle between standard or touch typing.
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 17:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
 
 Hello Abdrea
 
 Regarding your download, you probably downloaded the trial from the 
 developer's website, is that not correct?  Apple has a policy that 
 trial-ware isn't allowed in the App store.  Feel free to check out their 
 terms and conditions.
 
 I am going to try this app, as I think I'll be in a better position to 
 comment when I've seen it.
 
 On another note, I've been meaning to mention this for a while.  Anybody 
 know how you turn on/off touch-typing mode?  I've looked under the 
 accessibility tab but didn't see it there.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 15:42, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Exactly Gordon, this is all just food for thought.  I went to the app store 
 and this was what I personally thought of what I saw regarding this 
 particular app.  It is alright to post comments for discussion here?  As 
 far as trials provided in the app store.  I disagree.  I have downloaded 
 several apps that had in app purchase, i.e. navigon and planet finder, 
 and also apps that had a thirty day free trial attached.  I do not recall 
 the exact app, but it was a gps app that used voice input to set up your 
 routs.  Maybe others can recall, but I don't remember off hand. Like I said 
 in my first post, I think this app sounds really cool, I just think it is a 
 high price compared to other apps in the app store
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Hi
 
 Apple does not permit developers to put trial ware programs into the App 
 store.  As for the price being boosted because it's for the visually 
 impaired, I'm sorry, I don't agree with that at all.  Yes, I grant you that 
 it does happen on the Windows side of things.  But just take a look at what 
 you're getting with your iOS device for free.  Voiceover itself took a 
 great deal of development and resources.  Apple opted to make that free for 
 all of us.  The developers of this application do have to cover their 
 costs, and as I said earlier whether or not you're prepared to pay the 
 price is entirely a personal decision.
 
 Gordon
 
 On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:17, Andrea Breier abre...@kc.rr.com wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their description 
 that an app is designed for the blind, the price is automatically boosted 
 to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
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RE: DropBox version Update

2012-07-13 Thread Missy Hoppe
Ah. What I did is went into activity monitor and force quit the process. I've 
been doing that for ages now, and it works like
a dream. I tested the new version, so know it's working as it should. I even 
deleted the old version after doing the force
quit, but it still didn't allow the accessible install you mentioned to occur. 
So, my dropbox on the mac has a date of july
11, and as I said, it's been tested and seems to be working normally.

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 9:27 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: DropBox version Update

Do you have the latest version working though?  Obviously it's your call but if 
you try to delete an app which is running,
you'll get an error.  So it is necessary to disable DropBox from logging in 
automatically when you start the session or the
machine.  I see where you're coming from when you say if it isn't broken.  But 
it just might be broken.  Anyway, there you
are, you must do what you think is right for you, and I really hope you are 
correct and it's working.

Gordon

On 13 Jul 2012, at 14:16, Missy Hoppe mitmee@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion, but since it's working now, I see no point in 
messing with it. I might experiment with it on my SL
install, assuming the newest dropbox still works with that, but on the whole, 
if it isn't broke, I see no point in fixing it.
(smile)

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RE: fleksy and emoticons

2012-07-13 Thread Paula Hobley
Hi there

Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
the correct symbols.

Thanks for your help with this.

Paula


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just apps

for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for them,

but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps 
if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few apps

on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that are 
usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume that

something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is all 
I am saying.



Hugs,
Andrea M. Breier
-Original Message- 
From: krystal watson
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:

 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
 description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
 automatically boosted to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL


 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
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 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!

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To reply to 

my fleksy podcast

2012-07-13 Thread Sarah Alawami
for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

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it is unshortned so I hope it works.

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Re: Mac mini July 2011 screen question

2012-07-13 Thread Eric Caron
Hi Dian,

Thanks for your comments. I didn't catch at first the comment about VO 
not loading automatically with the Mini when there is no monitor.  But now that 
you say that I understand why the person selling it to me said I wil need to 
wait 30 seconds then press command F5.  I thought it was strange that it just 
didn't start as it does on my mac book.

When you do your training are you using your mini?  If so that indicates to me 
that it works reasonably well without the monitor.  Do you have any tricks you 
use if it acts up?

I'll probably search for a inexpensive monitor but would be happy if I didn't 
need one. 

These tips are very helpful.

eric Caron 
  
On Jul 13, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Diane Bomar wrote:

 I purchased my Mac Mini in October 2011, and can usually use it without the 
 screen. There is the problem of VO not loading automatically, when a monitor 
 is not attached, and somethimes preferences being busy, and unable to clear.
 
 It would be great for someone who is more expert on this subject, to compile 
 a list of what doesn't work correctly without a monitor attached. I  am 
 taking one-on-one lessons at the Apple store in Denver, and have the good 
 fortune of working with an instructor who, though fully sighted, uses VO all 
 of the time. We usually sit in comfortable chairs out in the mall, where it 
 is quieter than in the Apple store. There are small tables and electrical 
 outlets, and she uses a headphone splitter, and no screen. We seldom run into 
 problems.
 
 Diane
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Re: fleksy and emoticons

2012-07-13 Thread Ian McNamara
Hi Fleksy is very good in my opinion, you do not need to be completely accurate 
with your typing in fleksy if you get close enough it will guess what you mean. 
When you've put your word in and swiped to the write and it tells you what you 
typed if it is the wrong word just keep swiping down and it will generally find 
the write one, It's worked nearly every time for me.

Ian McNamara
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Re: my fleksy podcast

2012-07-13 Thread Arthur Barney

Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
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for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

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it is unshortned so I hope it works.

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Re: my fleksy podcast

2012-07-13 Thread Chris G
tffp is the name of her podcast.


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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: my fleksy podcast

 Hi Sarah,
 that isn't going to work.
 It should be ftp, and not tffp
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RE: my fleksy podcast

2012-07-13 Thread David Griffith
Worked for me ok

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Sent: 13 July 2012 23:25
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Subject: Re: my fleksy podcast

Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
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Subject: my fleksy podcast


 for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

 http://tffp.marrie.org/486

 it is unshortned so I hope it works.

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Re: my fleksy podcast

2012-07-13 Thread Sarah Alawami
lol. tffp is the name of the podcast. The name stuck after I called it the fun 
filled podcast. Enjoy the fleksy demo.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Arthur Barney wrote:

 Hi Sarah,
 that isn't going to work.
 It should be ftp, and not tffp
 - Original Message - From: Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com
 To: mac access list iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
 Subject: my fleksy podcast
 
 
 for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.
 
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Re: fleksy and emoticons

2012-07-13 Thread Sarah Alawami
As for emotes you will probably have to type this win by hand. You swipe dow 
from the closest symbol such as a colon, and a semi colon.  or a left and right 
perenthisis..
On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

 Hi there
 
 Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
 router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
 the correct symbols.
 
 Thanks for your help with this.
 
 Paula
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
 Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
 just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just apps
 
 for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for them,
 
 but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps 
 if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few apps
 
 on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that are 
 usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
 expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume that
 
 something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
 attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
 free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
 price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is all 
 I am saying.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- 
 From: krystal watson
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i 
 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
 could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that is 
 the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if you 
 like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i 
 chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
 description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
 automatically boosted to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
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Using pages on the IPhone with VoiceOver

2012-07-13 Thread Paula Hobley
Hi there

 

I have just purchased Pages for my IPhone, I figured with Fleksy, I would be
a quicker typer so could use word processing capabilities on my IPhone.
Could somebody please tell me is there a getting started podcast I can
listen to?  For example, I'm not sure how to read documents and I can't
figure out how to save documents as word documents.

 

Any help would be greatfully appreciated.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Paula

 

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RE: fleksy and emoticons

2012-07-13 Thread Paula Hobley
Cool, thanks for that Sarah.

Have a great day :)

Paula


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 9:18 AM
To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: fleksy and emoticons

As for emotes you will probably have to type this win by hand. You swipe dow
from the closest symbol such as a colon, and a semi colon.  or a left and
right perenthisis..
On Jul 13, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Paula Hobley wrote:

 Hi there
 
 Does anybody know how to type in emoticons using Fleksy?  I've used the
 router to get to the symbols but once there can't figure out how to entre
 the correct symbols.
 
 Thanks for your help with this.
 
 Paula
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
 [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Andrea Breier
 Sent: Saturday, 14 July 2012 12:00 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 That is exactly my point.  I am sorry you had to commit that much money, 
 just to get a look at the app.  This is my opinion on any app, not just
apps
 
 for the blind.  I always buy quality products and usually pay more for
them,
 
 but I usually get to see what I am buying first.  I tend to check out apps

 if they are free or just a couple of dollars.  With this said, very few
apps
 
 on my devices are the free ones just because I don't like the adds that
are 
 usually built in to them.  I know that the inter net is not free nor do I 
 expect to get things for free.  But at the same time, I will not assume
that
 
 something is a quality product just because it has a larger price tag 
 attached to it .  This is why I mentioned the app developers that offer a 
 free trial period, that way they would give an app with a little higher 
 price for better quality a risk free trial to their customers.  That is
all 
 I am saying.
 
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- 
 From: krystal watson
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 8:30 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 i mean it lets you email or message the text that is good the only thing i

 don't like is you don't know what letter you type and there is no way i 
 could have known that with out  buying the app and testing it first that
is 
 the only thing about app store in i tunes you can't try a app to see if
you 
 like it  before buying it but i guess that is all my fault as people say i

 chose to try it and if i don't like it then its my fault
 On 13/07/2012, at 11:17 PM, Andrea Breier wrote:
 
 It just seems to me that just because developers state in their 
 description that an app is designed for the blind, the price is 
 automatically boosted to four times the price.
 Don't get me wrong, I think the concept is a really cool one and a great 
 idea for an app, I just think that a lot more people would be willing to 
 give it a try if it only cost a few dollars, or if they offered a 30 day 
 trial.  I can always hope that it goes on sale.  LOL
 
 
 Hugs,
 Andrea M. Breier
 -Original Message- From: Mike Maslo
 Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 To: Mac OSX  iOS Accessibility
 Subject: Re: fleksy is out!
 
 Pay for quality
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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