Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[eleanor martha burke]

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely 
> talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would 
>> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I 
>> definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> 
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been ironed
>> out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are reason enough
>> to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and some
>> work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that apple stopped
>> code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a possibility anymore if you
>> find somethign brakes.
>> 
>> At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more apple
>> might consider a fix for us.
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> From the update info list given during update there were no accessibilty
>> bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.
>>> 
>>> I would wait.
>>> 
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:
 
 Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.  I've
>> heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards working with
>> VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what about the sticking
>> phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.
 
 Matthew Chao
 
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Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation

[john gallagher]

hi there late on this one but can't you go and connect it to itunes and do it 
that way. 

- Original Message -
From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Date: Friday, 26 September 2014 10.29 pm
Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation

>
>
> Exactly Andy but I will get there somehow.
> 
> Eleanor
> - Original Message - 
> From: ";Andy Collins" <,a;n...@recreation.plus.com>
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.47 PM
> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
> 
> 
> SHE WON'T Be ABLE TO AS SHE WON'T Have wi-fi sEt up having reverted to 
> FACTORY SETTINGS -
> 
> ANDY
> On 26 Sep 2014, at 21.43, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> > Tell siri to enable voice over.  this is new since I believe ios7 or is it 
> > 6?
> >
> > Take care.
> > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.35 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
> >  wrote:
> >
> 0was Now guys in my case I am familiar with vo and tripple clicks etc, my 
> 0was problem is that I got the iPod Touch restored to factory settings in the 
> 0was store.  Now I do not have sighted assistance.  If I did, I would know 
> 0was eactly as to how to instruct the person myself.  What I am looking from 
> 0was here is if you guys can give me a way without the sighted assistance of 
> 0was getting the vo going.
> 0was - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
> 0was To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
> 0was Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.25 PM
> 0was Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
> 0was
> 0was
> 0was Actually there's an easier way. simply do a 2 finger swipe up and let it 
> 0was start to read. then turn the volume up and down.
> 0was
> 0was Hth.
> 0was On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.12 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> 0was
> >>> One thing I have found is that if you want the volume of VoiceOver to be
> >>> turned up, it helps to be swiping left to right and then right to left, 
> >>> as
> >>> to make VO speak, while at the same time you are pressing the volume up
> >>> button.
> >>> Glenn
> >>> - Original Message - From: "barbara jones" 
> >>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2.53 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Did you do a triple click with the home button to toggle it on or off? 
> >>> It's
> >>> a 3 finger double tap to toggle speech on and off and one more thing, 
> >>> have
> >>> you checked the volume? Sometimes for whatever reason the volume on mine
> >>> gets turned down without me touching that button.
> >>> Barbara
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3.25 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi All, I have just restored my iPod Touch 5th generation in order to 
>  sell
>  it.  I was in the Apple store and when no speech on it, I asked the man
>  assisting me to turn on voice over.  He said he did but I said I could 
>  not
>  hear it.  He went in again to General and Accessability and this time I
>  could hear it.  I put the iPod Touch in my pocket and went home.  When 
>  I
>  came home vo was not talking.  Any ideas how I put voice over on please
>  and why would it have turned off like that.  I did the usual 2 finger
>  tripple tap but that did nothing.
> 
>  Eleanor
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Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Yes that is correct thank you.  I got Mo to do that for me as he is 
brilliant with computers and I haven't a clue about iTunes really.


Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: "john gallagher" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation


hi there late on this one but can't you go and connect it to itunes and do 
it that way.


- Original Message -
From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Date: Friday, 26 September 2014 10.29 pm
Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation




Exactly Andy but I will get there somehow.

Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: ";Andy Collins" <,a;n...@recreation.plus.com>

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.47 PM
Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation


SHE WON'T Be ABLE TO AS SHE WON'T Have wi-fi sEt up having reverted to
FACTORY SETTINGS -

ANDY
On 26 Sep 2014, at 21.43, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Tell siri to enable voice over.  this is new since I believe ios7 or is 
> it

> 6?
>
> Take care.
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.35 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>  wrote:
>
0was Now guys in my case I am familiar with vo and tripple clicks etc, my
0was problem is that I got the iPod Touch restored to factory settings in 
the
0was store.  Now I do not have sighted assistance.  If I did, I would 
know
0was eactly as to how to instruct the person myself.  What I am looking 
from
0was here is if you guys can give me a way without the sighted assistance 
of

0was getting the vo going.
0was - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 


0was To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
0was Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.25 PM
0was Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
0was
0was
0was Actually there's an easier way. simply do a 2 finger swipe up and 
let it

0was start to read. then turn the volume up and down.
0was
0was Hth.
0was On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.12 PM, Glenn  wrote:
0was
>>> One thing I have found is that if you want the volume of VoiceOver to 
>>> be
>>> turned up, it helps to be swiping left to right and then right to 
>>> left,

>>> as
>>> to make VO speak, while at the same time you are pressing the volume 
>>> up

>>> button.
>>> Glenn
>>> - Original Message - From: "barbara jones" 
>>> 

>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2.53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you do a triple click with the home button to toggle it on or 
>>> off?

>>> It's
>>> a 3 finger double tap to toggle speech on and off and one more thing,
>>> have
>>> you checked the volume? Sometimes for whatever reason the volume on 
>>> mine

>>> gets turned down without me touching that button.
>>> Barbara
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3.25 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 Hi All, I have just restored my iPod Touch 5th generation in order 
 to

 sell
 it.  I was in the Apple store and when no speech on it, I asked the 
 man
 assisting me to turn on voice over.  He said he did but I said I 
 could

 not
 hear it.  He went in again to General and Accessability and this 
 time I
 could hear it.  I put the iPod Touch in my pocket and went home. 
 When

 I
 came home vo was not talking.  Any ideas how I put voice over on 
 please
 and why would it have turned off like that.  I did the usual 2 
 finger

 tripple tap but that did nothing.

 Eleanor
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
TJ


> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> 
> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would
encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> 
> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been 
> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are 
> reason enough to upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
> Alawami
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and 
> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that 
> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a 
> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.
> 
> At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more 
> apple might consider a fix for us.
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:
>> 
>> From the update info list given during update there were no 
>> accessibilty
> bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.
>> 
>> I would wait.
>> 
>> Anna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.  
>>> I've
> heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards 
> working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what 
> about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.
>>> 
>>> Matthew Chao
>>> 
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Re: Abbyy fine reader pro help please

[Ian Harrison]

Hi Brian,

thanks very much. A walk through using frp with a scanner would also be 
brilliant!
Ian
On 26 Sep 2014, at 18:05, Leo Bissonnette  wrote:

> Hwllo Bryan,
> 
> I found this info very helpful, as I consider moving to FRP.
> 
> Would be interested in learning more about how you use FRP to interface 
> directly with my scanner for importing scanned paper documents, 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Leo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Bryan Jones  wrote:
> 
>> Hello Ian,
>> 
>> Here is the workflow I normally follow when using FineReader Pro (FRP) to 
>> convert existing PDF image files or other files I want to OCR. This is the 
>> quick method and basically involves opening the document in FRP, allowing 
>> the automatic recognition process to complete, and then exporting the 
>> resulting text to the desired file format. This quick process works fine for 
>> the vast majority of my OCR needs. Note that these instructions are for 
>> processing existing digital documents such as PDF files. I also use FRP to 
>> interface directly with my scanner for importing scanned paper documents, 
>> and I can write up a separate set of instructions for that process if you 
>> need them.
>> 
>> 1. In the FInder, navigate to the file you wish to OCR.
>> 2. Press VO+Shift+M to open the shortcut menu, and choose “Open with… 
>> FineReader Pro.
>> 3. The file will open in FRP and FRP will automatically start the process of 
>> “Recognizing” the document. A dialog box provides status information on this 
>> process.
>> 4. When the recognition process has completed, you might encounter a dialog 
>> box with a message or messages warning you of any problems encountered 
>> during the recognition process. Close the warning dialog when you’ve 
>> finished reading it.
>> 5. Press Command+S to open the Export dialog.
>> 6. Select the format you wish to export the document to, and adjust any 
>> associated options if desired, then click Next. This opens a standard OSX 
>> File Save As dialog where you will name the file, choose the location where 
>> you’d like it saved, and click the Export button to complete the process.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Bryan
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Ian Harrison 
>>  wrote:
>>> I have just got the pro version of the above to help with my upcoming 
>>> university studies and I am struggling to get started with it.
>>> 
>>> I have been searching for a tutorial without any real luck. Can anyone 
>>> point me towards a written or audio guide for use with voice over or even 
>>> just a straight quick start guide.
>> 
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> 
> Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D.
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Another macbook air set up question

[Ian Harrison]

Hi listers.
I am suffering from technoblock. I am setting up my macbook and want to put my 
mail accounts on it. I am already set up on my iphone and linked to the cloud. 
Is there a quick way to install my mailboxes?

Thanks in advance.
Ian
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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Graham Smith]

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at 
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things 
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may 
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software. 
Everyone to their own I guess.




-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Oliver

Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ



On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would

encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty

bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.


I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:

Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've

heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.


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Re: Another macbook air set up question

[eleanor martha burke]

not particularly you still have to go through the process but that in itself 
does not take very long

Eleanor Martha Burke

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 13:11, Ian Harrison 
>  wrote:
> 
>
> Hi listers.
> I am suffering from technoblock. I am setting up my macbook and want to put 
> my mail accounts on it. I am already set up on my iphone and linked to the 
> cloud. Is there a quick way to install my mailboxes?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Bryan Jones]

ALthough I generally prefer to live on the bleeding edge when it comes to OS 
upgrades, I depend on a number of apps for work & school and thus am sometimes 
willing to wait for clearance from Devs or other trustworthy and level-headed 
Users of critical apps before upgrading. For example, the VoiceDream Reader Dev 
tweeted the following:  "VoiceOver users: Do not update to iOS 8 until the next 
Voice Dream update. You can't change voices.”

HTH,
Bryan

On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would 
> encourage you to wait.

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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Matthew Chao]

Hello.  I'd like to thank those of you on the list who gave advice 
regarding upgrading.  While I agree the more the better regarding 
reporting bugs, I'm not a fan of aggravation trying to downgrade 
because you can't stand the new bugs you got with the upgrade.


Speaking of bugs, did iOS8.0.2 fix the Bluetooth bug and the sticky 
dialpad key issue(s)?  If so, I will upgrade, as I do make calls 
using the keypad, and use the Bluetooth keyboard a lot.


Matthew Chao

At 09:48 AM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping 
us at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in 
getting things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes 
of Appple may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of 
some great software. Everyone to their own I guess.




-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ



On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would

encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty

bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.


I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:

Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've

heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.


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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Glenn]

Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release from 
6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and rushed 
things too much.
Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the adaptive 
software we need to even use the device.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham Smith" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ


> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>
> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would
encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>
> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
>
> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
> reason enough to upgrade.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
> Alawami
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.
>
> At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
> apple might consider a fix for us.
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:
>>
>> From the update info list given during update there were no
>> accessibilty
> bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.
>>
>> I would wait.
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
>>> I've
> heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
> working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what
> about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.
>>>
>>> Matthew Chao
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Re: Another macbook air set up question

[Devin Prater]

Just go to system preferences, then to mail, contacts and calendars, or 
internet account, or you can launch the mail app, and set up your accounts 
there. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 8:53 AM, eleanor martha burke 
>  wrote:
> 
> not particularly you still have to go through the process but that in itself 
> does not take very long
> 
> Eleanor Martha Burke
> 
>> On 27 Sep 2014, at 13:11, Ian Harrison 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi listers.
>> I am suffering from technoblock. I am setting up my macbook and want to put 
>> my mail accounts on it. I am already set up on my iphone and linked to the 
>> cloud. Is there a quick way to install my mailboxes?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Ian
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Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation

[Devin Prater]

On the subject of the iPod touch, I hope they release another one soon. I don't 
wanna have to purchase an iPad in order to get iOS 10 or something. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes that is correct thank you.  I got Mo to do that for me as he is brilliant 
> with computers and I haven't a clue about iTunes really.
> 
> Eleanor
> - Original Message - From: "john gallagher" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
> 
> 
>> hi there late on this one but can't you go and connect it to itunes and do 
>> it that way.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Date: Friday, 26 September 2014 10.29 pm
>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Exactly Andy but I will get there somehow.
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> - Original Message - From: ";Andy Collins" 
>>> <,a;n...@recreation.plus.com>
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SHE WON'T Be ABLE TO AS SHE WON'T Have wi-fi sEt up having reverted to
>>> FACTORY SETTINGS -
>>> 
>>> ANDY
>>> On 26 Sep 2014, at 21.43, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Tell siri to enable voice over.  this is new since I believe ios7 or is > 
>>> > it
>>> > 6?
>>> >
>>> > Take care.
>>> > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.35 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> 0was Now guys in my case I am familiar with vo and tripple clicks etc, my
>>> 0was problem is that I got the iPod Touch restored to factory settings in 
>>> the
>>> 0was store.  Now I do not have sighted assistance.  If I did, I would know
>>> 0was eactly as to how to instruct the person myself.  What I am looking from
>>> 0was here is if you guys can give me a way without the sighted assistance of
>>> 0was getting the vo going.
>>> 0was - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> 
>>> 0was To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>> 0was Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.25 PM
>>> 0was Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>> 0was
>>> 0was
>>> 0was Actually there's an easier way. simply do a 2 finger swipe up and let 
>>> it
>>> 0was start to read. then turn the volume up and down.
>>> 0was
>>> 0was Hth.
>>> 0was On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.12 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>> 0was
>>> >>> One thing I have found is that if you want the volume of VoiceOver to 
>>> >>> >>> be
>>> >>> turned up, it helps to be swiping left to right and then right to >>> 
>>> >>> left,
>>> >>> as
>>> >>> to make VO speak, while at the same time you are pressing the volume 
>>> >>> >>> up
>>> >>> button.
>>> >>> Glenn
>>> >>> - Original Message - From: "barbara jones" >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2.53 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did you do a triple click with the home button to toggle it on or >>> 
>>> >>> off?
>>> >>> It's
>>> >>> a 3 finger double tap to toggle speech on and off and one more thing,
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> you checked the volume? Sometimes for whatever reason the volume on >>> 
>>> >>> mine
>>> >>> gets turned down without me touching that button.
>>> >>> Barbara
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3.25 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  Hi All, I have just restored my iPod Touch 5th generation in order 
>>>   to
>>>  sell
>>>  it.  I was in the Apple store and when no speech on it, I asked the 
>>>   man
>>>  assisting me to turn on voice over.  He said he did but I said I  
>>>  could
>>>  not
>>>  hear it.  He went in again to General and Accessability and this  
>>>  time I
>>>  could hear it.  I put the iPod Touch in my pocket and went home.  
>>>  When
>>>  I
>>>  came home vo was not talking.  Any ideas how I put voice over on  
>>>  please
>>>  and why would it have turned off like that.  I did the usual 2  
>>>  finger
>>>  tripple tap but that did nothing.
>>> 
>>>  Eleanor
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Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation

[Glenn]

I wish they would release an iPod that has a camera as good as the iPhones, 
I'd be all over that.
I think I'd go to a flip phone and just use the iPod.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Devin Prater" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation


On the subject of the iPod touch, I hope they release another one soon. I 
don't wanna have to purchase an iPad in order to get iOS 10 or something.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:09 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
>  wrote:
>
> Yes that is correct thank you.  I got Mo to do that for me as he is 
> brilliant with computers and I haven't a clue about iTunes really.
>
> Eleanor
> - Original Message - From: "john gallagher" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 AM
> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>
>
>> hi there late on this one but can't you go and connect it to itunes and 
>> do it that way.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Date: Friday, 26 September 2014 10.29 pm
>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Exactly Andy but I will get there somehow.
>>>
>>> Eleanor
>>> - Original Message - From: ";Andy Collins" 
>>> <,a;n...@recreation.plus.com>
>>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>>
>>>
>>> SHE WON'T Be ABLE TO AS SHE WON'T Have wi-fi sEt up having reverted to
>>> FACTORY SETTINGS -
>>>
>>> ANDY
>>> On 26 Sep 2014, at 21.43, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Tell siri to enable voice over.  this is new since I believe ios7 or 
>>> > is > it
>>> > 6?
>>> >
>>> > Take care.
>>> > On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.35 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >
>>> 0was Now guys in my case I am familiar with vo and tripple clicks etc, 
>>> my
>>> 0was problem is that I got the iPod Touch restored to factory settings 
>>> in the
>>> 0was store.  Now I do not have sighted assistance.  If I did, I would 
>>> know
>>> 0was eactly as to how to instruct the person myself.  What I am looking 
>>> from
>>> 0was here is if you guys can give me a way without the sighted 
>>> assistance of
>>> 0was getting the vo going.
>>> 0was - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> 
>>> 0was To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
>>> 0was Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 9.25 PM
>>> 0was Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>> 0was
>>> 0was
>>> 0was Actually there's an easier way. simply do a 2 finger swipe up and 
>>> let it
>>> 0was start to read. then turn the volume up and down.
>>> 0was
>>> 0was Hth.
>>> 0was On Sep 26, 2014, at 1.12 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>> 0was
>>> >>> One thing I have found is that if you want the volume of VoiceOver 
>>> >>> to >>> be
>>> >>> turned up, it helps to be swiping left to right and then right to 
>>> >>>  >>> left,
>>> >>> as
>>> >>> to make VO speak, while at the same time you are pressing the volume 
>>> >>>  >>> up
>>> >>> button.
>>> >>> Glenn
>>> >>> - Original Message - From: "barbara jones" >>> 
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> >>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2.53 PM
>>> >>> Subject: Re: iPod Touch 5th Generation
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Did you do a triple click with the home button to toggle it on or 
>>> >>>  >>> off?
>>> >>> It's
>>> >>> a 3 finger double tap to toggle speech on and off and one more 
>>> >>> thing,
>>> >>> have
>>> >>> you checked the volume? Sometimes for whatever reason the volume on 
>>> >>>  >>> mine
>>> >>> gets turned down without me touching that button.
>>> >>> Barbara
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3.25 PM, Eleanor Martha Burke
>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> >>>
>>>  Hi All, I have just restored my iPod Touch 5th generation in order 
>>>    to
>>>  sell
>>>  it.  I was in the Apple store and when no speech on it, I asked the 
>>>    man
>>>  assisting me to turn on voice over.  He said he did but I said I 
>>>    could
>>>  not
>>>  hear it.  He went in again to General and Accessability and this 
>>>    time I
>>>  could hear it.  I put the iPod Touch in my pocket and went home. 
>>>    When
>>>  I
>>>  came home vo was not talking.  Any ideas how I put voice over on 
>>>    please
>>>  and why would it have turned off like that.  I did the usual 2  
>>>  finger
>>>  tripple tap but that did nothing.
>>> 
>>>  Eleanor
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>>> 
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>>>  mac-access@mac-access.net
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RE: IOS8 and handwriting

[Josh]

I do not know if anyone else has chimed in to answer you or not, but the
answer is yes. It is broken in 8.0. I hate that too since I use that feature
quite a bit on the campus.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:03 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: IOS8 and handwriting

Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not
try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
Diane
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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[matthew dyer]

,

I beleive the keyboard problem has been fixed according to the change 
log I saw.  Not sure about the tone problem as I only had it happened to 
me once and it was not durring anything importent.  Just my thoughts.


Matthew


On 09/27/2014 10:39 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:
Hello.  I'd like to thank those of you on the list who gave advice 
regarding upgrading.  While I agree the more the better regarding 
reporting bugs, I'm not a fan of aggravation trying to downgrade 
because you can't stand the new bugs you got with the upgrade.


Speaking of bugs, did iOS8.0.2 fix the Bluetooth bug and the sticky 
dialpad key issue(s)?  If so, I will upgrade, as I do make calls using 
the keypad, and use the Bluetooth keyboard a lot.


Matthew Chao

At 09:48 AM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of 
Appple may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some 
great software. Everyone to their own I guess.




-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
concerned

with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
believe

they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I 
might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were 
found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the 
cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been 
addressed, to

a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To 
suggest

you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or 
open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than 
annoy

the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ


On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  
wrote:


Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
would

encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are 
fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty

bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.


I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  
wrote:


Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've

heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2? Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.


Matthew Chao

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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
from

6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and rushed
things too much.
Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the adaptive
software we need to even use the device.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Graham Smith" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- 
From: Shaun Oliver

Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
believe

they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found 
in

the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, 
to

a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To 
suggest

you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than 
annoy

the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ



On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
would

encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty

bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.


I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  
wrote:


Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've

heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.


Matthew Chao

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Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hello,

Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.

We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t 
responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen. 

He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from 
the phone.

Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?

Any thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

Leo




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Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore 
from iTunes.



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On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote:

Hello,

Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.

We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t 
responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen.

He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly from 
the phone.

Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?

Any thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

Leo




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Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hi,

Will try that.

Leo


On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore from 
> iTunes.
> 
> 
> Sent from my laptop
> 
> On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.
>> 
>> We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t 
>> responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen.
>> 
>> He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly 
>> from the phone.
>> 
>> Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?
>> 
>> Any thoughts/suggestions.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Leo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D.
>> 
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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Mark]

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release from
> 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and rushed
> things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the adaptive
> software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
> all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
> fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
> concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
> with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
> they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
> discussing.
> 
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
> Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
> the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
> a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
> useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
> you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
> folly.
> 
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
> up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
> the rest of us.
> 
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
> talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would
> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
> definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> 
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
>> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
>> reason enough to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
>> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
>> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
>> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.
>> 
>

Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Matthew Chao]

How do I find the change log?

Matthew Chao

At 01:39 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:

,

I beleive the keyboard problem has been fixed according to the 
change log I saw.  Not sure about the tone problem as I only had it 
happened to me once and it was not durring anything importent.  Just 
my thoughts.


Matthew


On 09/27/2014 10:39 AM, Matthew Chao wrote:
Hello.  I'd like to thank those of you on the list who gave advice 
regarding upgrading.  While I agree the more the better regarding 
reporting bugs, I'm not a fan of aggravation trying to downgrade 
because you can't stand the new bugs you got with the upgrade.


Speaking of bugs, did iOS8.0.2 fix the Bluetooth bug and the sticky 
dialpad key issue(s)?  If so, I will upgrade, as I do make calls 
using the keypad, and use the Bluetooth keyboard a lot.


Matthew Chao

At 09:48 AM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping 
us at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in 
getting things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the 
likes of Appple may concentrate a little more on the voice over 
side of some great software. Everyone to their own I guess.




-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
TJ



On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would

encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
reason enough to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
apple might consider a fix for us.

On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

From the update info list given during update there were no
accessibilty

bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.


I would wait.

Anna

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:

Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.
I've

heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards
working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2? Also, what
about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.


Matthew Chao

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Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Glenn]

Leo,
Sometimes it gets stuck, I would not stop the process.
Is it on the USB cable for power?
Also, are you installing from a phone download, or from iTunes?
I recommend the latter.
I also find it helpful to close all running apps in the app switcher before 
doing an upgrade, as that will free up some RAM.
If you restart the process before reading this, I recommend what I mentioned 
and do a restart before doing the install.
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "Leo Bissonnette" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading


Hi,

Will try that.

Leo


On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 wrote:

> Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore 
> from iTunes.
>
>
> Sent from my laptop
>
> On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.
>>
>> We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t 
>> responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen.
>>
>> He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly 
>> from the phone.
>>
>> Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?
>>
>> Any thoughts/suggestions.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Leo
>>
>>
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Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Leo Bissonnette]

Hi Glenn,

Thanks for your suggestions.

We had closed all apps before starting.

We had started the upgrade directly from the phone with it on power.

So, maybe the iTunes method might have been the better way to go….

Will keep you posted on progress….

Leo


On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Glenn  wrote:

> Leo,
> Sometimes it gets stuck, I would not stop the process.
> Is it on the USB cable for power?
> Also, are you installing from a phone download, or from iTunes?
> I recommend the latter.
> I also find it helpful to close all running apps in the app switcher before 
> doing an upgrade, as that will free up some RAM.
> If you restart the process before reading this, I recommend what I mentioned 
> and do a restart before doing the install.
> Glenn
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Leo Bissonnette" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Will try that.
> 
> Leo
> 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:47 PM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Try that maybe the phone is in recovery mode and so requires a restore 
>> from iTunes.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my laptop
>> 
>> On 27/09/2014 19:42, Leo Bissonnette wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.
>>> 
>>> We started with my son-in-law’s iPhone and have found that his phone isn’t 
>>> responding. We have left it for over an hour and it’s at a blank screen.
>>> 
>>> He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly 
>>> from the phone.
>>> 
>>> Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts/suggestions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>> 
>>> Leo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Another macbook air set up question

[Sarah k Alawami]

No, you need to set up each account individually  which works. It will take 
some time to dl all of tha tdata but with in 10 minutes you can have yoru mail 
set up.

Tke care.
On Sep 27, 2014, at 5:11 AM, Ian Harrison 
 wrote:

>   
> Hi listers.
> I am suffering from technoblock. I am setting up my macbook and want to put 
> my mail accounts on it. I am already set up on my iphone and linked to the 
> cloud. Is there a quick way to install my mailboxes?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: IOS8 and handwriting

[Daniela Rubio]

Hello!
If you turn off predictive text, it will work again.
Hope it helps!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




El 27/09/2014, a las 07:02, Diane Bomar  escribió:

> Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not 
> try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
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Re: IOS8 and handwriting

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Hello!
If you turn off predictive text it will work again.
Best

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El 27/09/2014, a las 18:18, Josh  escribió:

> I do not know if anyone else has chimed in to answer you or not, but the
> answer is yes. It is broken in 8.0. I hate that too since I use that feature
> quite a bit on the campus.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:03 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: IOS8 and handwriting
> 
> Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not
> try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
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Re: IOS8 and handwriting

[Diane Bomar]

This is especially interesting, as I was just on the phone for THREE hours with 
Apple Accessibility, and the person I spoke to said that he had no problems 
with handwriting when running VO and IOS 8.0.2. 

The reason for the 3 hour call will be described in another post. 
Thanks Josh, and I hope you will also report this.
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Josh"  wrote:

I do not know if anyone else has chimed in to answer you or not, but the
answer is yes. It is broken in 8.0. I hate that too since I use that feature
quite a bit on the campus.

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:03 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: IOS8 and handwriting

Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not
try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
Diane
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Re: IOS8 and handwriting

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Thanks, I will try that, as soon as my iPhone talks to me again . 

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:50 PM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:

Hello!
If you turn off predictive text, it will work again.
Hope it helps!
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




> El 27/09/2014, a las 07:02, Diane Bomar  escribió:
> 
> Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not 
> try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

Well, if the iDevice you're updating goes west, or developes a few quriks,
reset it and reflash it.
And if worst comes to worst, wack it in DFU mode and restore it. It'll force
a redownload of the operating system and firmware.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 03:20
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from
> 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and rushed
> things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the adaptive
> software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Graham Smith" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
>
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
> all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
> fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
> concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
> with that.
>
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe
> they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
> discussing.
>
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add,
> Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found 
> in
> the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, 
> to
> a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
> useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To 
> suggest
> you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
> folly.
>
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
> up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than 
> annoy
> the rest of us.
>
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
> talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> TJ
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>>
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
>> would
> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
> definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>>
>>
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
>> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
>> reason enough to upgrade.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>>
>> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and
>> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that
>> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a
>> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.
>>
>> At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more
>> apple mig

RE: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Shaun Oliver]

This might be a case for putting the phone in DFU mode. To do this, hold
down the home and power buttons symoltaniusly for around 20 seconds and let
up off of the power button first and the home button around 5 seconds after.
Then, use iTunes either on your mac or PC to reflash your phone.


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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Leo Bissonnette
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:12
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

Hello,

Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.

We started with my son-in-law's iPhone and have found that his phone isn't
responding. We have left it for over an hour and it's at a blank screen. 

He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly
from the phone.

Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?

Any thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

Leo




Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D.

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WavePad Was: Re: Audio recorder for Mac OS

[Christian Schöpplein]

Hi,

a few days ago I asked for an audiorecorder, that lets me record and edit audio 
tracks. QuickTime is a good solution, but I also found the Mac OS App WavePad, 
which is also good to use and fids all my needs:

http://www.nch.com.au/wavepad/

There are many unlabeled elements in the app, but the most important things are 
clear and reachable and after trying around a little bit I was able to record 
with the app and do many other things.

Ciao,

 Christian

— 
Christian Schoepplein - chris (at) schoeppi.net - http://www.schoeppi.net

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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, 
but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device 
being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, 
I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there 
might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the 
masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we 
have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great 
disservice.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and 
> rushed things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the 
> adaptive software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
> at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
> things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple 
> may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
> concerned with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system 
> we're discussing.
> 
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that 
> were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in 
> the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been 
> addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so 
> as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and 
> utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous 
> revision of IOS is again folly.
> 
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or 
> open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do 
> than annoy the rest of us.
> 
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want 
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want 
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. 
> Meloy
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been 
> widely talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
>> would
> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, 
> I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Or

Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Diane Bomar]

If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple Accessibility 
for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent last Saturday, and 
this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my iPhone multiple times, 
due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did not know about. In both 
cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it was on; there simply was no 
speech. It was not due to speech being turned off (three finger double tap). 
One bug causing this issue has been identified, but another ghas not. If you 
are willing totake the chance of VO failing, and having to revive it only by a 
total reset involving the computer, go for it! It certainly is a great learning 
experience, but keep the Xanax handy. It is not about those who have not 
experienced the issues that can warn of the dangers and possible consequences. 

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
 wrote:

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely 
> talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would 
>> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I 
>> definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> 
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been ironed
>> out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are reason enough
>> to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Diane Bomar]

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call 
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that 
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the 
risks. 
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at all.  
Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things fixed it 
would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may concentrate a little 
more on the voice over side of some great software. Everyone to their own I 
guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Agree entirely.  This happened to me yesterday with iPod Touch 5th 
generation.  However, I did reset again and got VO up and running 
eventually.



- Original Message - 
From: "Diane Bomar" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple 
Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent 
last Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my 
iPhone multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did 
not know about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it 
was on; there simply was no speech. It was not due to speech being turned 
off (three finger double tap). One bug causing this issue has been 
identified, but another ghas not. If you are willing totake the chance of 
VO failing, and having to revive it only by a total reset involving the 
computer, go for it! It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep 
the Xanax handy. It is not about those who have not experienced the issues 
that can warn of the dangers and possible consequences.


Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
 wrote:


in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke


On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely 
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.

TJ



On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:

Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new 
iPhone, I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs 
are fixed.




Sent from my iPad

On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:

I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Shaun Oliver" 

To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been 
ironed
out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are reason 
enough

to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

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Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Mark]

I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject.
Many blind people I know in fact embrace change.
The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps misguided. 
My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of the blind agency 
where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they have lost the ability 
to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and reliance upon.
So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can 
perform the normal functions they are used to.
I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their eye 
six.
It's  just my thoughts.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, 
but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device 
being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, 
I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there 
might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the 
masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we 
have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great 
disservice.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and 
> rushed things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the 
> adaptive software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
> at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
> things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple 
> may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
> concerned with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system 
> we're discussing.
> 
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that 
> were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in 
> the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been 
> addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so 
> as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and 
> utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous 
> revision of IOS is again folly.
> 
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or 
> open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do 
> than annoy the rest of us.
> 
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want 
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want 
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. 
> 

Re Bulk in Subject Title

[Eleanor Martha Burke]

Your e-mails have bulk in the subject line, not sure why this is, maybe mine 
does to you too or maybe the Mods can tell us what is going on.  I know on 
another list I am on, they were encouraging us to have Gmail accounts to get 
rid of this issue of bulk.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 12:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?



I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject.
Many blind people I know in fact embrace change.
The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps 
misguided. My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of 
the blind agency where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they 
have lost the ability to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and 
reliance upon.
So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can 
perform the normal functions they are used to.
I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their 
eye six.

It's  just my thoughts.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of 
change, but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of 
your device being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, 
is the folly. Yes, I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some 
annoyances, and yes, there might be one or two things that don't work. 
But, please, don't become like the masses out there. The masses that seem 
to be a generation of users whereby we have smart phones and dumb 
operators. You do yourself and us, a great disservice.




-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark

Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use 
the iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better 
so all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear 
from more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on 
their phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.



Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:


Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?



Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release
from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older 
version.

These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and
rushed things too much.
Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the
adaptive software we need to even use the device.
Glenn
- Original Message - From: "Graham Smith"

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us
at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting
things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple
may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great 
software.

Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot
concerned with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who
believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system
we're discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might
add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that
were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be 
included in the cycle.

Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been
addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so
as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and
utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous
revision of IOS is again folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or
open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do
than annoy the rest of us.

If you want total se

RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'm not suggesting for a minute you go in guns blazing.

Read the documentation, read the various bug reports and anything else you
can lay your hands on, but, don't dismiss upgrading out of hand, just
because.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:07
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the
risks. 
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the listen
button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover get in the way
of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, nothing you can't get out
of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you to reset your phone.l how can I
reproduce this one?


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple
Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent last
Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my iPhone
multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did not know
about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it was on;
there simply was no speech. It was not due to speech being turned off (three
finger double tap). One bug causing this issue has been identified, but
another ghas not. If you are willing totake the chance of VO failing, and
having to revive it only by a total reset involving the computer, go for it!
It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. It is
not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn of the
dangers and possible consequences. 

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke
 wrote:

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I
would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone,
I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> 
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been 
>> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are 
>> reason enough to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'll conseed the point that IOS8 was released a little too early, as was, in my 
opinion IOS7. It too had a good number of bugs when it first came out if I 
remember correctly.

Say what you like about the late steve jobs, but, he made sure that each 
release of IOS had as few debilitating bugs as possible before it was released. 
Perhaps we need the innovativeness of tim cook and his team with the 
perfectionism of steve jobs. I think we've gone from one extreme to another and 
there needs to be a happy medium where all sides can be happy, and thus the 
end-user can be even happier knowing their devices won't break at the first 
upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:27
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject.
Many blind people I know in fact embrace change.
The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps misguided. 
My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of the blind agency 
where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they have lost the ability 
to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and reliance upon.
So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can 
perform the normal functions they are used to.
I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their eye 
six.
It's  just my thoughts.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, 
but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device 
being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, 
I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there 
might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the 
masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we 
have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great 
disservice.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and 
> rushed things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the 
> adaptive software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
> at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
> things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple 
> may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
> concerned with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system 
> we're discussing.
> 
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that 
> were found in the last revision and wer

Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Glenn]

It's not like anyone is not going to upgrade.
Pretty much everyone will in time.
Historically, there are bugs in software, and if less people were to upgrade 
right away, the software people would spend more time making sure that there 
are no bugs.
We do not need to be unwilling beta testers.
That is why there are beta testers, to make sure that the bugs are all 
worked out.
Anyone can sign up to be a tester, and if you want the bleeding edge, go 
right ahead.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I'm not suggesting for a minute you go in guns blazing.

Read the documentation, read the various bug reports and anything else you
can lay your hands on, but, don't dismiss upgrading out of hand, just
because.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:07
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the
risks.
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

Problem with that is exactly that. Anyone can sign up to be a beta tester.
They want the latest and greatest toys and don't want to report the bugs so
we can have a smooth transition.

I'd sign up to be a beta tester, but, I don't want to spend my days
compiling bug reports, so I wait for the final release.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 10:15
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

It's not like anyone is not going to upgrade.
Pretty much everyone will in time.
Historically, there are bugs in software, and if less people were to upgrade
right away, the software people would spend more time making sure that there
are no bugs.
We do not need to be unwilling beta testers.
That is why there are beta testers, to make sure that the bugs are all
worked out.
Anyone can sign up to be a tester, and if you want the bleeding edge, go
right ahead.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I'm not suggesting for a minute you go in guns blazing.

Read the documentation, read the various bug reports and anything else you
can lay your hands on, but, don't dismiss upgrading out of hand, just
because.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:07
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the
risks.
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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RE: IOS8 and handwriting

[Josh]

Hello Daniela,
  I tried this using IOS 8.0 and it was still a no go after turning off
predictive text. Is this only after upgrading to 8.0.2? Thank you for your
help with this matter.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Daniela Rubio
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:08 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: IOS8 and handwriting

Hello!
If you turn off predictive text it will work again.
Best

Daniela Rubio T
iPhone: +34662328507




El 27/09/2014, a las 18:18, Josh  escribió:

> I do not know if anyone else has chimed in to answer you or not, but 
> the answer is yes. It is broken in 8.0. I hate that too since I use 
> that feature quite a bit on the campus.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:03 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: IOS8 and handwriting
> 
> Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I 
> did not try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
> Diane
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RE: IOS8 and handwriting

[Josh]

I will indeed let them know.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:17 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: IOS8 and handwriting

This is especially interesting, as I was just on the phone for THREE hours
with Apple Accessibility, and the person I spoke to said that he had no
problems with handwriting when running VO and IOS 8.0.2. 

The reason for the 3 hour call will be described in another post. 
Thanks Josh, and I hope you will also report this.
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:18 AM, "Josh"  wrote:

I do not know if anyone else has chimed in to answer you or not, but the
answer is yes. It is broken in 8.0. I hate that too since I use that feature
quite a bit on the campus.

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 1:03 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: IOS8 and handwriting

Is handwriting broken in IOS8? It seems to be broken in 8.02, but I did not
try it in 8.0. Have others experienced this problem?
Diane
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Re: Abbyy fine reader pro help please

[Bryan Jones]

Here is the workflow I generally follow when using ABBYY FineReader Pro on my 
Mac in combination with a WiFi connected scanner to scan, import, OCR and 
export single- or multipage documents.

These instructions were written based on FineReader Pro version 12.0.6, MacOS 
10.9.5, a 2013 Macbook Air, and a Canon Pixma MX922 MFP. These instructions 
assume the User has a working knowledge of VoiceOver and a compatible and 
functioning scanner connected wired or wirelessly to a mac with the proper 
scanner drivers and the latest version of FineReader Pro installed.

1. Load the paper document(s) into the scanner.
2. Launch FineReader Pro.
3. If FineReader does not automatically open to a “New Task” dialog, press 
Command+N to open the New Task dialog. The New Task dialog Is laid out roughly 
in the form of a table and is relatively intuitive, but there are a few 
confusingly labeled items, so I will include some additional notes at the end 
of these instructions.
4. In the New Task dialog, highlight your scanner in the Sources table, make 
sure the correct Document Language(s) are selected, and then press VO+Spacebar 
on the desired export format. This will open a new window where you can specify 
various scan options specific to your scanner. I assume these options will vary 
depending on the make, model & features of the selected scanner. On my system I 
have options such as flat-bed or ADF, duplex mode, scan area, color depth, 
resolution and detect orientation.
5. After you have selected the desired scan settings, navigate to the button 
labeled “Scan” and press VO+Spacebar to activate it. Your scanner should begin 
scanning. I’m not sure if there is an official VO-accessible way to monitor 
scan progress, but I normally either listen to the scanner or monitor the Scan 
button, whose name will toggle between “Scan” and “Stop Scanning” depending on 
scan status.
6. When all pages have been scanned, navigate to the button labeled “Finish 
import” and press VO+Spacebar to activate it. A dialog box will provide 
progress information as FineReader recognizes the text.
7. When the recognition process has completed, a standard OSX File Save As 
dialog opens where you will name the file, choose the location where you’d like 
it saved, and click the Export button to complete the process.

A few notes regarding the “New Task” window.
1. I suggest spending a few minutes familiarizing oneself with the items in the 
New Task window by exploring with the VO+left and VO+right arrows.
2. There are two items in the New Task window that don’t seem to do anything: 
one spoken simply as “Label” and the other spoken simply as “Image.”
3. There is a mislabeled button spoken as either “Go right, unchecked” or “Go 
left, unchecked.” Pressing VO+Spacebar on this item will toggle it and will 
also toggle between the “Quick conversion” and “Conversion format” labels. As 
far as I can tell, all this does is switch the list of available export formats 
between the short list displayed in the “Quick COnversion” list, and the full 
list shown in the “COnversion Formats” list.

HTH,
Bryan

On Sep 26, 2014, at 1:05 PM, Leo Bissonnette  
wrote:
> Would be interested in learning more about how you use FRP to interface 
> directly with my scanner for importing scanned paper documents, 

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Martin G. McCormick]

As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
these exploits even have the backing of governments.
So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
to IOS8 today.

Big mistake!
This is a copy of the message I sent to
accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
down. Message follows:

Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.


I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
mechanical things.
I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
platforms.
When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
real keys to hunting and tapping any day.

When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
there were no real show stoppers.

If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
when something new comes out but the following is beyond
ridiculous.
On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
was a huge mistake.
The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
for two very specific conditions:

1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
actually still work.

2.  The letters and numbers will still work
when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
is not loosing contact.
The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.

Sincerely,

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

End of quoted message.

At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
motors.
I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
adults are in charge of much of anything any more.

Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. 

Martin
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard on IOS 8 I Am Not Happy!

[Sarah k Alawami]

Tur on and off quick nav to get this to work.  This sithe work around.

Take care.
On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:27 PM, Martin G. McCormick 
 wrote:

>   As one who works, at least for a few more months, in
> networking and computing, I think we should upgrade our
> operating system whenever possible to the current state of the
> art for one's own security if nothing else. The hackers and
> crackers out there have usually figured out how to break in to
> older systems and the script monkeys happily spread the mischief
> around. It used to be they did it for bragging rights or because
> they were angry at someone else but now it's even more important
> to stay current because organized crime is involved and some of
> these exploits even have the backing of governments.
>   So, stupid me, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my iPad
> to IOS8 today.
> 
>   Big mistake!
>   This is a copy of the message I sent to
> accessibil...@apple.com. I suspect it will have no effect
> whatsoever, but I sent it after much thought and some cooling
> down. Message follows:
> 
> Subject: IOS8 is Almost Totally Inaccessible.
> 
> 
>   I am a systems engineer with Oklahoma State University
> who specializes in unix system programming and who enjoys
> solving technical issues as well as building electronic and
> mechanical things.
>   I also happen to be a computer user who is blind and
> have used accessibility features in Linux andApple's OSX and IOS
> platforms.
>   When I bought my iPad a couple of years ago, it came
> with IOS6.x installed and I was happy with the way voiceover
> worked. I did also buy a Logitech Bluetooth keyboard which is
> almost indispensable when entering large amounts of text or
> passwords. The on-screen keyboard is not impossible for a person
> who is blind to use, but it is awkward. Frankly, I much prefer
> real keys to hunting and tapping any day.
> 
>   When IOS7 came out, I upgraded to that and the BT
> keyboard was a little more quirky than before, but I had no
> trouble using it. One just got used to the way it behaved and
> there were no real show stoppers.
> 
>   If anybody knows that complex systems do not always work
> has hoped, it is me so one expects the occasional glitch or bug
> when something new comes out but the following is beyond
> ridiculous.
>   On September 27 of 2014, I upgraded to IOS8.0.2 and that
> was a huge mistake.
>   The bluetooth keyboard now is completely useless except
> for two very specific conditions:
> 
> 1.  All the control functions such as Escape, F11 and F12
> actually still work.
> 
> 2.  The letters and numbers will still work
> when inside an application such as within a text-edit field but
> they do nothing when trying to navigate the screen. The iPad
> does emit a sound when the keyboard is switched on and off so it
> is not loosing contact.
>   The Caps-Lock key always reports that "Caps lock is on"
> each time it is pressed but the resulting characters sent to a
> text application do reflect the correct case so all the scan
> codes are obviously being received and translated correctly.
>   I would love to have my iPad back. It's loaded with
> possibilities and I downloaded the upgrade in good faith that it
> would cause the system to work better and be more secure.
>   I was wrong and I am not happy at this time.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
> 
> End of quoted message.
> 
>   At this time, I don't have any apps on the iPad that are
> very important so I wasn't too worried and wasn't really
> watching out for things like bluetooth keyboards not working any
> longer as that support is part of the OS and should be something
> that gets caught very early. It should be kind of like shipping
> ten-thousand washing machines without their power cords or drive
> motors.
>   I have had a Linux upgrade go really badly, once, but
> that was totally my fault and hey, it's free anyway and I had
> backups of all the important stuff. One kind of expects better
> out of a multi-million-dollar corporation but I am not sure real
> adults are in charge of much of anything any more.
> 
>   Oh well, I am just blowing off steam now. 
> 
> Martin
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