Re: Selecting a block of text from a website on Lion

2011-07-24 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi there,

One useful feature in Lion is the ability to use VO to select things.  I've 
managed to select text in pages and Preview using the following method.  I 
don't to pretend to have tested it thoroughly, and I might be wrong about some 
details, so don't shoot the messenger. :-)

1.  find the block of text on the page and then interact.
2.  Now, use vo-Enter to start the selection process.
3.  Move along with vo-rightarrow until you hit the end of the text you want, 
then press vo-enter again.
4.  Now hit cmd-c, and go to the textedit window you want to copy the text to.

As  I said, may be useful, may not.

Dónal
On 24 Jul 2011, at 20:38, John Panarese wrote:

   The service is still there.  You might have to go into System Preferences 
 under the Keyboard pane in the shortcuts view to activate it again.  At 
 least, I had to do this to get it to work again.
 
 Take Care
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@mac-access.net
 
 
 
 On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:
 
 Hello, 
 Has anyone discovered a good way to select a block of text from a web page 
 on Lion so that the text can be pasted into another document? 
 
 On Snow Leopard I used to press command+A to select all the text in the 
 Safari window, then use the Safari service new textedit window containing 
 selection which would copy the Safari text into a TextEdit window, and then 
 copy the required text from the textedit window. Alas the service option 
 new TextEdit window containing selection seems to have been removed in 
 Lion. On Snow Leopard I was sometimes able to simply interact with the 
 Safari page and use the arrow keys to select the desired text in the normal 
 way. That does not seem to work on Lion either. 
 
 So I tried the attached approach (which I had never used on Snow Leopard) 
 and that does not seem to work on Lion either! 
 
 I can manually create an empty textedit window and copy the Safari page into 
 that and then select the desired text from there but that is hard work! I 
 feel there should be an easier approach.
 
 Many thanks for any ideas. 
 
 Paul Hopewell 
 
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 From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk
 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website
 Date: 23 March 2011 19:49:03 GMT
 To: Mac iOS Accessibility OSX  mac-access@mac-access.net
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 Hello everyone,
 
 Here's how to select part of a web page and copy it into a text document.
 
 • Find the start point for your selection and set a hotspot 
 (VO-Shift-number), it must not be a link;
 • Find the end point for your selection and set a second hotspot, once 
 again, not a link;
 • Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3);
 • Bring the mouse to the hotspot (VO-Cmd-F5);
 • Check that the mouse is actually on the hotspot (VO-F5);
 • Click the physical mouse or trackpad;
 • Go to first hotspot (VO-number);
 • Bring the mouse to the hotspot;
 • Check that the mouse is on the hotspot;
 • Hold down the Shift key and click the mouse or trackpad;
 • Press Cmd-C to copy the text.
 
 If you've succeeded in highlighting text, you'll hear Copy.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
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mission control: Huston we have a problem?

2011-07-24 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi all,

I've noticed something that's crept in over the past few days.  I've obviously 
hit a button, or set a preference somewhere but for the life of me can't find 
it.  Basically, every time I switch apps, I get a message about spaces.  Any 
way to get rid of this?  I presume it's somewhere in the verbosity.

Thanks,

Dónal
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Re: XLD query

2011-07-22 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Sarah,

Do you happen to know which language the developer uses as his/her native 
speaking one?

Dónal
On 22 Jul 2011, at 01:45, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 They are not and I talked to the dev and since he can't speak or understand 
 english it was hard to get across to him what I wanted to have fixed. the 
 unlabeled button in the tool bar and the unread progress stuff.
 
 Good luck in contacting the dev if you can.
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:56 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
 
 Hello Donal
 
 When you have XLD set to automatically get the CDDA data from the databases 
 that progress dialogue is populated. But I don't think the contents are 
 exposed to VoiceOver.
 
 Lynne
 
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 22:47, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 HI all,
 
 I'm only getting around to playing with XLD now.  I'm noticing that when 
 ripping a CD, the progress dialog appears.  This contains a table which 
 seems to have a row for each track. However, this appears (when using VO) to 
 be blank.  Does anyone know what's actually in there?
 
 Dónal
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Re: Purchasing Lion, International Issues

2011-07-22 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I think you should be ok Mike.  I purchased my machine in the US, but have 
successfully upgraded to Lion from Ireland.  Now I'll add the caveat that I'm 
using english (albeit a strangely pronounced and spoken variety) so I'm only 
partially answering your question.

Dónal
On 22 Jul 2011, at 11:09, Michael Busboom wrote:

 Hello listers,
 
 When I get a chance, I will purchase and install Lion.  I am wondering, 
 however, if the process will be as straightforward for me and other 
 expatriates as it is for someone who doesn't have his or her residency in a 
 country other than the one in which the Mac was purchased.  Here is my 
 situation more specifically:
 
 I bought my Mac when I visited my parents in the United States.  When Snow 
 Leopard came out, I had friends send me the DVD from the U.S.  I currently 
 live in Vienna, Austria, and I do not plan to visit the States for at least 
 three months.  When I go to the App Store here in Austria, will it be 
 possible for me to purchase an English version of Lion?  Sometimes, companies 
 automatically assume that if an order originates in a certain country, that 
 particular language will be the default language when the product is 
 purchased.  While I don't mind speaking German in the least, I still prefer 
 to work with my operating systems in English.
 
 Thanks for any thoughts,
 
 Mike
 
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Re: Xcode 4.1

2011-07-22 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Thanks Brian, I'm very very familiar with the Renaissance project (as you know 
from other lists), but good to know work is stil ongoing.

Dónal
On 22 Jul 2011, at 11:41, Bryan Smart wrote:

 In Xcode 4, the process of editing application interfaces has been integrated 
 with the main Xcode application. Parts of the new process are more 
 accessible, but there are still large limitations.
 
 Plus, even full accessibility wouldn't help a blind person come up with good 
 layout, sizing, font and color selections, etc.
 
 No matter. You don't need Apple's dev tools to make a UI for your app. I 
 ported Renaissance from NextStep. You can use it to build your app's 
 interface from a description in an XML file. The XML file describes the types 
 of controls that should be in a window, along with their proportional and 
 logical relationships. Based on that info, controls are automatically 
 arranged and sized for you. If you don't like part of the automatic behavior, 
 you can include an attribute for one of the controls to force it to a 
 specific position, size, font, style, etc. Specify every detail, or describe 
 the basics and let layout happen automatically. It is a bit like WX Widgets, 
 but even more help for layout.
 
 My last release was over 6 months ago. The current release works, but has 
 limited documentation. If you have a coding background, you should be able to 
 figure it out. If you're just starting out, then you'll be quite confused. 
 I'm working a bit on updating it with additional docs and examples when I 
 can, but the hobby portion of my coding life has recently been consumed with 
 some VoIP and scripting projects.
 
 http://blog.bryansmart.com/2010/10/25/renaissancex-2010-02-28/
 
 Bryan
 
 On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Hi Nick,
 
 At this stage just your general impressions will do fine.  I'm presuming 
 interface builder is still inaccessible?  Blind developers don't seem to be 
 high on Apple's priority list.
 
 Dónal
 On 20 Jul 2011, at 23:35, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hello Dónal
 
 Yes, I have played with it. What do you wish to know?
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:33 AM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Anyone played with it yet?  I'm waiting to go to work to download it.  
 It's about 3 gig.
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possible bug in iTunes 10.4

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Morning all,

wOnder if anyone else can reproduce this.  If someone could go to the sources 
table, and not interact.  Simply use up and down arrow to go up/down through 
this table.  Are you getting spoken feedback?  *this is also the case for me in 
other tables (such as books) in itunes.

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Re: Apple Customer Services for UK, Ireland and Europe

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi Lynne,

I don't have a an email, but try switching to the Irish store and see if that 
helps?  Their headquarters for Europe certainly were based in Cork, though 
given the mass exodus of companies from here (and who can blame them) I'm not 
sure if this is still the case.  

Dónal
On 21 Jul 2011, at 10:39, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

 Hello everybody; particularly those in the UK and Europe on this occasions. :)
 
 Does anybody happen to know whether Apple customer Services has an email 
 address? We're having a lot of trouble contacting them by telephone today; 
 lines are busy.
 \
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Re: possible bug in iTunes 10.4

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
interesting James.  I'm not getting the feedback in the sources table, but 
you're right VO-arrows work fine.
On 21 Jul 2011, at 11:09, James AUSTIN wrote:

 Hi Dónal
 I am getting feedback in the Sources table, but not in the Music table as 
 ITunes seems to call it.. I am getting feedback though if I use VO +  arrow 
 keys.
 
 HTH
 TC :)
 james 
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 09:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Morning all,
 
 wOnder if anyone else can reproduce this.  If someone could go to the 
 sources table, and not interact.  Simply use up and down arrow to go 
 up/down through this table.  Are you getting spoken feedback?  *this is also 
 the case for me in other tables (such as books) in itunes.
 
 Dónal
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Re: Itunes update.

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Ian,

Not sure if you saw my thread and the subsequent posts about this?  Quite a few 
of us are experiencing this problem.  It's a bug, not even the most ardent 
apple zealots on this list can call this a feature!

Dónal
On 21 Jul 2011, at 15:10, Ian McNamara wrote:

 Hi all just updated my itunes last night and when i arrow down the sorces 
 list it is not reading which one i am on and when i go in to one of the 
 tables such as music it is also not reading anything in the table wondering 
 if any one ells has noticed this and if so what you did to sort it out.
 
 thanks very much.
 
 Ian McNamara
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Re: possible bug in iTunes 10.4 and some Mail bugs too

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
HI Chris,

Again you beat me to it!  I was just going to post about the 
option-up/downarrow problem.  This still seems to work in other apps, however 
iTunes also fails to move the focus from top to bottom of a table using this 
command.

Dónal
On 21 Jul 2011, at 12:05, Chris Moore wrote:

 Also, what the heck is a heavy check item? heavy? hmmm 
 
 I have amended the subject line to include some issues I am having with Mail 
 too.  Previously in SL Mail I used to be able to scroll to the bottom and the 
 top of the message list by holding down option + either the up or down arrow. 
  This no longer works, has this keystroke changed?
 
 Mail now reads out spelling mistakes in a senders email  too, this is quite 
 annoying.  I am not really interested in other people's typos as it is 
 distracting.  I am only really interested in my own spelling.
 
 When opening a conversation (previously known as thread) I hit enter to open 
 all the messages (I know some used to prefer to expand the 
 thread/conversation instead), previously the first message in the thread 
 would be shown first, and then I would press back space to delete and close 
 the message to get to the next one in the thread.  Now Mail has this in 
 reverse order, the newest message pops up first and the message that should 
 have been first now appears at the back.  So you end up reading the 
 conversation back to front.
 
 Alex sounds very scary when you backspace too, but I am quite liking the new 
 iCal though. 
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 11:38, Chris Moore wrote:
 
 I am not getting any feedback within the sources table unless I interact 
 with it.  I am not getting any feedback in the music table either unless I 
 interact with it too.  This is quite annoying when you want to quickly see 
 which podcasts are unread when scrolling down the list in the podcast folder.
 
 The column browser is still listed as playlist browser.  I also find iTunes 
 very sluggish, when I stop interacting with the sources list, then move to 
 the playlist browser, I am told iTunes is busy, then I eventually move over 
 the playlist (which should be column browser) to get to my music list and I 
 am told again that this is busy.  This never happened in the previous 
 version.  
 
 You would have thought now that iTunes is 64 bit that it would run a bit 
 quicker?
 
 Chris 
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 11:16, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 interesting James.  I'm not getting the feedback in the sources table, but 
 you're right VO-arrows work fine.
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 11:09, James AUSTIN wrote:
 
 Hi Dónal
 I am getting feedback in the Sources table, but not in the Music table 
 as ITunes seems to call it.. I am getting feedback though if I use VO +  
 arrow keys.
 
 HTH
 TC :)
 james 
 On 21 Jul 2011, at 09:14, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 Morning all,
 
 wOnder if anyone else can reproduce this.  If someone could go to the 
 sources table, and not interact.  Simply use up and down arrow to go 
 up/down through this table.  Are you getting spoken feedback?  *this is 
 also the case for me in other tables (such as books) in itunes.
 
 Dónal
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accessing the menu bar

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi all,

I just noticed something.  Hs the ctrl-f2 key combination disappeared?  It 
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Re: accessing the menu bar

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Apologies Anne, I omitted the fact that I'm running Lion.  The SL partition is 
still performing fine.

Dónal
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 The Ctrl-F2 works for me, except in Pages, but that's nothing new.
 
 Cheers,
 
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Re: accessing the menu bar

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Thanks Lynne, I've just restarted and it's come back… NO idea what's going on 
there.

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 On 21 Jul 2011, at 20:01, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
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 I just noticed something.  Hs the ctrl-f2 key combination disappeared?  It 
 doesn't seem to bring me to the menu bar any more.
 
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Re: XLD query

2011-07-21 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Thank you Lynne.
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 When you have XLD set to automatically get the CDDA data from the databases 
 that progress dialogue is populated. But I don't think the contents are 
 exposed to VoiceOver.
 
 Lynne
 
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Re: Lion is now available

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
it's more like copy and drop (sorry Lynne I'm plagiarising from an off-list 
conversation, but the description is too good to waste)… *smile*
On 20 Jul 2011, at 18:08, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I hear that there is a drag and drop thing. How hard is it to use and is it 
 possible to even use?
 
 Take care.
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 Hello Jim  all
 
 I hope you enjoy the new features of VoiceOver.
 
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Re: My two favourite things about Lion

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hello Anne,

I've been using Lion for a while, and yes I've downloaded Moira… And rather 
rapidly stopped using her.  The cadence (prosody) of the voice is somewhat 
irritating.  You tried it?
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 Hello everyone,
 
 My two favourite things about Lion are the voices in other languages and the 
 Quick Nav Commander that allows you to do single-key webpage navigation when 
 using Quick Nav. Once again, you can add your own shortcuts to the Quick Nav 
 Commander.
 
 On the subject of the voices: I changed my system voice from Alex to Fiona, 
 then I synced my 4th Gen iPod Nano and got the warning that my new system 
 voice speaks a different language from the previous one! I thought that 
 Britain and America were divided by a *common* language, not by *different* 
 languages. For Dónal, have you tried Moira?
 
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documentation.

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
HI all,

I just tried to go to the getting started guide and am receiving a 404 error. 
 Anyone else?

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quitting apps.

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Hi all,

One feature of Lion that some of you may not be aware of is the fact that the 
state of your applications is maintained when you exit.  So, for example, if 
you go to:

www.mac-access.net

and exit safari with cmd-q, the next time you launch Safari you'll be taken 
back there.  This is similar to the behaviour of Safari on IOS devices.

Now to prevent this, you have two choices.  You can disable this behaviour 
globally in system preferences|General.  Alternatively, you can exit the app 
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Re: quitting apps.

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Funny thing Chris, I nearly nearly got caught with just that about a week ago 
when buy a birthday present for my wife.  I was using the GM seed at the time…  
Wise words! :-)
On 20 Jul 2011, at 21:56, Chris Moore wrote:

 So bare that in mind when you are looking at something you should not (and I 
 mean a surprise Christmas gift for your loved one if you filthy minded people 
 were thinking otherwise), they could easily open Safari back up to be 
 presented with the last web page you were on!
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 www.mac-access.net
 
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Xcode 4.1

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Anyone played with it yet?  I'm waiting to go to work to download it.  It's 
about 3 gig.
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Re: Alex voice question

2011-07-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Does he talk about debt, austerity and bale-outs Nick?  Oh no hang on that's 
Moira, sorry I forgot…

Sorry people, couldn't resist!
On 20 Jul 2011, at 23:42, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

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 I guess he was thinking of Alexandros, even though there's quite a big 
 difference in the pronunciation there. At any rate, that's probably the case 
 evn though he's Greek. :)
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Ah you're thinking of a different alex. The alex you are thinking of is 
 another language.
 
 Take care.
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 Hi Jim,
 
 Alex can't be downloaded, it's the same one. I don't see how it could be 
 higher quality, since nothing is wrong here. Please be a bit more 
 elaborate, possibly provide audio links of some sort.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
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 Is the Alex default voice the same Alex as the one that can be downloaded  
 in the customize options or is that selection a higher quality?
 
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Re: mac pro query

2011-07-19 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
I'll hold fire so.
On 19 Jul 2011, at 23:32, Kevin Barry wrote:

 No word yet on hardware updates to the Pro.
 No thunderbolt for now at least.
 
 At 02:50 PM 7/19/2011, you wrote:
 Just wondering if anyone is using one of these lovely beasts?  Do the new 
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Re: World Clock app for Ipad

2011-07-16 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick
Dane,

Thanks for posting this.  Presume there's an iPhone equivalent?

Dónal
On 16 Jul 2011, at 14:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Been using this for quite some time so was most interested when a 
 comprehensive update for the World Clock app for Ipad was released and the 
 developer has overwhelmed his customer base with some new and impressive 
 features.
 
 One of my favorites is the ability to set alarms for your world clocks.  For 
 example suppose you're talking to someone in New York on Skype and they ask 
 you to ring back at 4 there time in the afternoon, you know how New Yorkers 
 believe the world revolves around them smile, all you have to do is select 
 New York from the World Clocks and set an alarm for 4 PM so you don't even 
 have to worry about how many hours behind your time zone New York just 
 happens to be.
 
 Talk about some really nifty features in this app, bring up multiple world 
 clocks on the screen and do a compare between each, bring up maps to show 
 your location in relation to another world clock - don't know how this would 
 work as I obviously can't see the map smile - and a whole host of 
 background themes to boot.
 
 You'll find the World Clock app in the obvious place, at the Itunes store and 
 its about $02.00.
 
 
 
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