RE: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What do you mean OSX certification?

Chris.
 

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 11:41 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!
Importance: High

I haven't used this software for quite some time but I do use other pieces
of software put out by the same developers.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Nicecast was among several products that
still required OSX certification and thus couldn't be guaranteed to run
reliably and had known problems.


On 25 Nov 2013, at 3:25 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

> OK, so this was a real nice way to wake up and start my birthday.
Yayayay!
> No joke, yes, today's really my BD.  Anyway...  I bought a lifetime
license
> to WHMSonic which I've installed on a dedicated server running WHM/CPanel.
> I got that working perfectly.  Now however, I've tried to connect to one
of
> my streams using Nicecast.  I set the new server I added to Nicecast as
> Shoutcast, I made sure the address was correctly set on the broadcast
screen
> under info, I made sure everything under quality was set correctly, I made
> sure the password was in correctly, yes, I checked the radio button in the
> servers table to select the shoutcast server instead of the internal
server,
> yes, the port is opened on my firewall on the server running WHMSonic.
Yes,
> Auto-DJ works fine on the same port when configured in WHMSonic, yes, I
can
> connect to the server with the shoutcast dsp plugin in WinAmp on Windows.
> I'm totally at a loss!  It's 11:00!  I've been working on this damn thing
> since 8 this morning non-stop!  Frankly, I'm about ready to scream!  I
wrote
> whm sonic support, they tell me it's a problem with Nicecast, which I tend
> to believe by the way.  I write Nicecast support, they got back with me,
and
> told me it's an issue with WHM Sonic to contact them.  I'm getting thrown
> round about.  Why do we want to use WHM Sonic to start with, cause
> Centovacast is crap, in my opinion, to put it bluntly, plus, I can't
> entegrade regular shoutcast DNAS server into WHM/CPanel, so there went the
> idea of me hosting shoutcast servers if I want to down the road.  Icecast
1
> and 2 isn't helping either.  I found a place that offered free trial
servers
> of both, and Nicecast won't connect to them either.  All I get when I try
> connecting with any compatible player is Icy 401, service unavailable.
Yes
> before you ask, my source is set correctly, and yes I double checked.  If
I
> connect via local host to my own mac running Nicecast using Nicecast's own
> dedicated built in server, that works, but again, then we don't get all
the
> cool things offered by WHMSonic like auto DJ etc, so that won't work.
> Again, Auto DJ works fine, and if I enable that in WHMSonic, I can connect
> from ITunes, VLC, WinAmp on windows, whatever, and the stream comes up
> without any issues at all.
> 
> I'm starting to wonder even though WHMSonic says it's based on the
Shoutcast
> DNAS server, if theyr'e lying.  It would surprise me, seeing that they're
> support has been anything but helpful from the very get go.  When I told
> them I may dispute the charge for my purchase, they literally said, go
> ahead, we can dispute it right back.  We dare you!  Those were there exact
> words virbadum!  Needless to say, I'm pissed!  I can't even find out
truely
> what server things backbone off of.  I know auto DJ let's you select if
you
> want the stream to be AAC, AAC+ or mp3.  I know the shoutcast DNAS server
> doesn't stream in AAC of any sort.  Only in mp3.  this is another reason
I'm
> being led to wonder if there is something else maybe it's actually back
> boning off, even though most shoucast clients like Nicecast in this case
> technically, should be able to connect.  This just makes no sense.  Even
if
> not Shoutcast through WHM Sonic, has anyone successfully gotten Nicecast
to
> connect to a shoutcast server?  I know this is somewhat unrelated to the
> Mac, but Im justifying my post in that I'm trying to get this working with
> Nicecast.  Frankly, if I get told this is off topic, and to post elseware,
> I'll be beyond irate, so much so, it may risk me leaving the list for
good.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your help.  And yes, I know, happy BD to me.  Thanks
for
> the present of the gift of successfully having me break things,
apparently.
> 
> Chris.
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RE: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I rebooted the server.  No go.  Are you saying that Icecast was
reliable where shoutcast wasn't, or are you saying even Icecast wasn't.  I
can try getting an Icecast server, if you think it's worth it, but I hear
that doesn't really work either.

Chris.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:17 PM
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!
Importance: High

This is why I don't use shout cast on nice cast. I could never get it to
work, or it would say not connected but I would be transmitting   anyway. I
use ice cast instead, or did when I was broadcasting. It was and still is
unreliable. did you make sure the mount point was not filled in not that
itwoudl matter. but just in case? I would try reading the server and see if
that helps.

Good luck.
On Nov 24, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

> OK, so this was a real nice way to wake up and start my birthday.
Yayayay!
> No joke, yes, today's really my BD.  Anyway...  I bought a lifetime
license
> to WHMSonic which I've installed on a dedicated server running WHM/CPanel.
> I got that working perfectly.  Now however, I've tried to connect to one
of
> my streams using Nicecast.  I set the new server I added to Nicecast as
> Shoutcast, I made sure the address was correctly set on the broadcast
screen
> under info, I made sure everything under quality was set correctly, I made
> sure the password was in correctly, yes, I checked the radio button in the
> servers table to select the shoutcast server instead of the internal
server,
> yes, the port is opened on my firewall on the server running WHMSonic.
Yes,
> Auto-DJ works fine on the same port when configured in WHMSonic, yes, I
can
> connect to the server with the shoutcast dsp plugin in WinAmp on Windows.
> I'm totally at a loss!  It's 11:00!  I've been working on this damn thing
> since 8 this morning non-stop!  Frankly, I'm about ready to scream!  I
wrote
> whm sonic support, they tell me it's a problem with Nicecast, which I tend
> to believe by the way.  I write Nicecast support, they got back with me,
and
> told me it's an issue with WHM Sonic to contact them.  I'm getting thrown
> round about.  Why do we want to use WHM Sonic to start with, cause
> Centovacast is crap, in my opinion, to put it bluntly, plus, I can't
> entegrade regular shoutcast DNAS server into WHM/CPanel, so there went the
> idea of me hosting shoutcast servers if I want to down the road.  Icecast
1
> and 2 isn't helping either.  I found a place that offered free trial
servers
> of both, and Nicecast won't connect to them either.  All I get when I try
> connecting with any compatible player is Icy 401, service unavailable.
Yes
> before you ask, my source is set correctly, and yes I double checked.  If
I
> connect via local host to my own mac running Nicecast using Nicecast's own
> dedicated built in server, that works, but again, then we don't get all
the
> cool things offered by WHMSonic like auto DJ etc, so that won't work.
> Again, Auto DJ works fine, and if I enable that in WHMSonic, I can connect
> from ITunes, VLC, WinAmp on windows, whatever, and the stream comes up
> without any issues at all.
> 
> I'm starting to wonder even though WHMSonic says it's based on the
Shoutcast
> DNAS server, if theyr'e lying.  It would surprise me, seeing that they're
> support has been anything but helpful from the very get go.  When I told
> them I may dispute the charge for my purchase, they literally said, go
> ahead, we can dispute it right back.  We dare you!  Those were there exact
> words virbadum!  Needless to say, I'm pissed!  I can't even find out
truely
> what server things backbone off of.  I know auto DJ let's you select if
you
> want the stream to be AAC, AAC+ or mp3.  I know the shoutcast DNAS server
> doesn't stream in AAC of any sort.  Only in mp3.  this is another reason
I'm
> being led to wonder if there is something else maybe it's actually back
> boning off, even though most shoucast clients like Nicecast in this case
> technically, should be able to connect.  This just makes no sense.  Even
if
> not Shoutcast through WHM Sonic, has anyone successfully gotten Nicecast
to
> connect to a shoutcast server?  I know this is somewhat unrelated to the
> Mac, but Im justifying my post in that I'm trying to get this working with
> Nicecast.  Frankly, if I get told this is off topic, and to post elseware,
> I'll be beyond irate, so much so, it may risk me leaving the list for
good.
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your help.  And 

RE: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I can try it later when I get back from my birthday lunch.  We're going to
Chilis.  Yum? ee!  I know of a hosting provider that actually does host
Icecast servers, and he's quite reasonably priced.  I just need to make sure
that Auto DJ can be included.

Chris.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:44 PM
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!

Oh wow really? I got it to work, but I have not used nice cast since
mavericks and since I quit broadcasting last april due to some personal
stuff that happened. Yeah nice cast and shout cast for me since 2010 never
got along. 

Good luck
On Nov 24, 2013, at 9:37 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

> Yeah, I rebooted the server.  No go.  Are you saying that Icecast was
> reliable where shoutcast wasn't, or are you saying even Icecast wasn't.  I
> can try getting an Icecast server, if you think it's worth it, but I hear
> that doesn't really work either.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2013 12:17 PM
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Nicecast: I? am about? to, scream!
> Importance: High
> 
> This is why I don't use shout cast on nice cast. I could never get it to
> work, or it would say not connected but I would be transmitting   anyway.
I
> use ice cast instead, or did when I was broadcasting. It was and still is
> unreliable. did you make sure the mount point was not filled in not that
> itwoudl matter. but just in case? I would try reading the server and see
if
> that helps.
> 
> Good luck.
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>  wrote:
> 
>> OK, so this was a real nice way to wake up and start my birthday.
> Yayayay!
>> No joke, yes, today's really my BD.  Anyway...  I bought a lifetime
> license
>> to WHMSonic which I've installed on a dedicated server running
WHM/CPanel.
>> I got that working perfectly.  Now however, I've tried to connect to one
> of
>> my streams using Nicecast.  I set the new server I added to Nicecast as
>> Shoutcast, I made sure the address was correctly set on the broadcast
> screen
>> under info, I made sure everything under quality was set correctly, I
made
>> sure the password was in correctly, yes, I checked the radio button in
the
>> servers table to select the shoutcast server instead of the internal
> server,
>> yes, the port is opened on my firewall on the server running WHMSonic.
> Yes,
>> Auto-DJ works fine on the same port when configured in WHMSonic, yes, I
> can
>> connect to the server with the shoutcast dsp plugin in WinAmp on Windows.
>> I'm totally at a loss!  It's 11:00!  I've been working on this damn thing
>> since 8 this morning non-stop!  Frankly, I'm about ready to scream!  I
> wrote
>> whm sonic support, they tell me it's a problem with Nicecast, which I
tend
>> to believe by the way.  I write Nicecast support, they got back with me,
> and
>> told me it's an issue with WHM Sonic to contact them.  I'm getting thrown
>> round about.  Why do we want to use WHM Sonic to start with, cause
>> Centovacast is crap, in my opinion, to put it bluntly, plus, I can't
>> entegrade regular shoutcast DNAS server into WHM/CPanel, so there went
the
>> idea of me hosting shoutcast servers if I want to down the road.  Icecast
> 1
>> and 2 isn't helping either.  I found a place that offered free trial
> servers
>> of both, and Nicecast won't connect to them either.  All I get when I try
>> connecting with any compatible player is Icy 401, service unavailable.
> Yes
>> before you ask, my source is set correctly, and yes I double checked.  If
> I
>> connect via local host to my own mac running Nicecast using Nicecast's
own
>> dedicated built in server, that works, but again, then we don't get all
> the
>> cool things offered by WHMSonic like auto DJ etc, so that won't work.
>> Again, Auto DJ works fine, and if I enable that in WHMSonic, I can
connect
>> from ITunes, VLC, WinAmp on windows, whatever, and the stream comes up
>> without any issues at all.
>> 
>> I'm starting to wonder even though WHMSonic says it's based on the
> Shoutcast
>> DNAS server, if theyr'e lying.  It would surprise me, seeing that they're
>> support has been anything but helpful from the very get go.  When I told
>> t

RE: help with setting up vm ware?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I, too agree that Gordon's comment was uncalled for, to some respect of
nature.  Gee, maybe all of us should search the list archives rather than
asking for help on list!  shrugging...

Chris.


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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Carello
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 8:19 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: help with setting up vm ware?

Hello Gordon. My original post was in regards to the set up on the mac side
of it. As I noted it had nothing to do with the windows side. I just needed
what settings had to be done in the vm ware side of it. Also I am sorry I
don't have a lot of time to search through archives due to work and travel
time to and from. I just thought maybe someone could give me some
information off list if possible even. I don't think i deserved to be lashed
at like that. I did try and send you this off list but did not see an email
address in your signature and apple mail sent it to the list only when I hit
reply all. 
On Nov 25, 2013, at 6:57 PM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Hello
> Please do not discuss your Winjows issues in this group.  The list policy
clearly states that this discusssion is prohibited.  The discussion of the
virtual machine itself, that is, the discussion of how to configure the
virtual machine on the OS X side of is acceptable.  But the discussion of
how to configure the guest system is off topic.
> Actually, I encourage members to make use of the list archives.  these
issues have been discussed repeatedly already and you'd be doing us all a
favour by utilising this resourse.
> Kind Regards
> Gordon Smith
> Information Technology Accessibility consultant
> Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  Advice On
Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Phil Halton  To: OS X & iOS Accessibility  Date sent: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:22:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: help with setting up vm ware?
> 
> Mathew, I use Jaws in windows7 in VMWare under mountain lion, and will
probably not be upgrading anytime soon either.  One thing you'll need to be
aware of when installing and using Jaws is the need to modify some setting
to have access to an insert key, or a caps lock key for jaws in laptop
keyboard mode.  If you have a full-sized apple keyboard, this is not a
problem because that keyboard has an insert key, and you can run jaws in PC
keyboard mode.  The caps lock is unavailable because apple doesn't treat it
like a key press but handles it differently, and it doesn't get passed along
to windows - making it unavailable as a jaws modifier key.
> 
> What I've done, and what a lot of people do, is to use a freeware windows
program called sharp keys to assign the grave accent key to act as a caps
lock key, and then set jaws to run in laptop keyboard mode with the caps
lock (now the grave accent key) as the jaws modifier key.
> .
> 
> another way, probably the better way, is to set up VMWare to substitute an
insert key for the caps lock key, so that when you press capslock, vmware
sends an insert key to windows.
> I've forgotten how that's done in vmware now, but it's fairly simple.
probably a lot simpler than the sharp keys method and the third option that
I won't mention here now.
> 
> The only drawback to the last method is that you lose one Jaws command,
the command is insert+J, which has a conflict that causes it to be unusable.
However, pressing control left arrow does the same thing as insert + j and
so it doesn't really matter.
> 
> Sorry I can't give accurate directions on how to set up an insert key from
within vmware, I'm sure someone here will tell you if you ask.
> 
> .
> On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:21 PM, Matthew Carello 
wrote:
> 
> Hello all.  I set up vmware 6.0 today on a macbook air.  All seemed to go
ok.  Does anyone have any tips on what I should et in it to make it work
better? I have been choosing single window mode and full window.  I can get
narrator to start up but what would be better to use jaws or NVDA? I would
rather use jaws if possible because I know it better.  Is there any good
tutorials out there? Thanks for any help.
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RE: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I use USB drives with Super Dooper all the time, and it works perfectly.
So, yes, I'd highly!  highly highly! recommend Super Dooper!

Chris.
 

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:19 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

Hi!

I'm back on a Macbook Pro and I wish to restore a Backup made with
SuperDuper.

Unfortunately the WD Firewire drive I bought 5 years ago is failing so I
thought it best to copy the contents from this to a portable Hitachi USB 3.0
drive, so far so good.

So with the Macbook and the USB 3.0 drive attached are you able to set it to
boot from the external drive? I know you could do this with Firewire drives
on the older Macbook model I had but not sure about this one.

I've tried several things but I've always ended up booting in Recovery Mode
which won't - as far as I know - be any help to me in this situation.


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RE: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Well, there are two ways to do it.  If you already can boot into OSX on your
internal drive, go to system preferences, while the external drive is
plugged in mind you, then go to startup disc, select it in the list, then
apply and restart the system.  If on the other hand, you can't boot into
OSX, then plug the drive in, and while turning on the system, hold down the
option key for a few seconds, release, then wait about maybe 15 seconds.
You now should be at the startup disk menu.  Voiceover won't read this so
don't attempt.  If, however you hit the tab key one time, then return, it
should hopefully boot to the drive.  One thing I did find sometimes that
happened was the drive wasn't getting detected after rebooting until OSX
came up and mounted it, so if that seems to be the case for you, a way
around it is to boot up the system with the drive not plugged in, then as
soon as you hear the startup chime, immediately then plug in the drive to
the USB port.

Chris.
 

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From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:42 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

Okay so can you tell me the steps you use to have your computer boot from
your Superduper drive?


On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:28 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

> I use USB drives with Super Dooper all the time, and it works perfectly.
> So, yes, I'd highly!  highly highly! recommend Super Dooper!
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:19 PM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I'm back on a Macbook Pro and I wish to restore a Backup made with
> SuperDuper.
> 
> Unfortunately the WD Firewire drive I bought 5 years ago is failing so I
> thought it best to copy the contents from this to a portable Hitachi USB
3.0
> drive, so far so good.
> 
> So with the Macbook and the USB 3.0 drive attached are you able to set it
to
> boot from the external drive? I know you could do this with Firewire
drives
> on the older Macbook model I had but not sure about this one.
> 
> I've tried several things but I've always ended up booting in Recovery
Mode
> which won't - as far as I know - be any help to me in this situation.
> 
> 
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RE: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

There you go.  Let us know how you come along.

Chris.
 

-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:57 PM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?

Okay I'm running from the Superduper drive now and yes, I think the problem
was that the Macbook wasn't detecting it earlier on, the drive was detected
this time around when I held down the Option key at the sound of the
start-up chime and then I released it some 15 seconds later and pressed the
left arrow key and return so now time to restore the backup with Superduper.


On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:47 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland
 wrote:

> Well, there are two ways to do it.  If you already can boot into OSX on
your
> internal drive, go to system preferences, while the external drive is
> plugged in mind you, then go to startup disc, select it in the list, then
> apply and restart the system.  If on the other hand, you can't boot into
> OSX, then plug the drive in, and while turning on the system, hold down
the
> option key for a few seconds, release, then wait about maybe 15 seconds.
> You now should be at the startup disk menu.  Voiceover won't read this so
> don't attempt.  If, however you hit the tab key one time, then return, it
> should hopefully boot to the drive.  One thing I did find sometimes that
> happened was the drive wasn't getting detected after rebooting until OSX
> came up and mounted it, so if that seems to be the case for you, a way
> around it is to boot up the system with the drive not plugged in, then as
> soon as you hear the startup chime, immediately then plug in the drive to
> the USB port.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:42 PM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?
> 
> Okay so can you tell me the steps you use to have your computer boot from
> your Superduper drive?
> 
> 
> On 30 Nov 2013, at 11:28 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland
>  wrote:
> 
>> I use USB drives with Super Dooper all the time, and it works perfectly.
>> So, yes, I'd highly!  highly highly! recommend Super Dooper!
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 7:19 PM
>> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Is SuperDuper Worth The Bother?
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I'm back on a Macbook Pro and I wish to restore a Backup made with
>> SuperDuper.
>> 
>> Unfortunately the WD Firewire drive I bought 5 years ago is failing so I
>> thought it best to copy the contents from this to a portable Hitachi USB
> 3.0
>> drive, so far so good.
>> 
>> So with the Macbook and the USB 3.0 drive attached are you able to set it
> to
>> boot from the external drive? I know you could do this with Firewire
> drives
>> on the older Macbook model I had but not sure about this one.
>> 
>> I've tried several things but I've always ended up booting in Recovery
> Mode
>> which won't - as far as I know - be any help to me in this situation.
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RE: Good accessible Bible program for the Mack.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Kait, you have it actually backwards.  It used to be called Macsword.  Now
it's called Eloquent.

Chris.
 

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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:22 AM
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Subject: Re: Good accessible Bible program for the Mack.

Jim,
there is one called Mac Sword.  I think it used to be called eloquent.

Imho, though, it's not as good as the online bible you can get for windows.

I also, unfortunately, don't have a link to point you toward for mac sword.

Cait

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RE: Good accessible Bible program for the Mack.

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As I said, Eloquent is great!  It's somewhat of a pain in the kneck to set
up and configure, but I can help you off list with that if you'd like.  Once
you get it set up though, it works like gold.

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How about it folks: is there such an animal out there?

Thanks all over the place.

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RE: Is Super Duper! Worth The Bother? [Yes, Of course it is]

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They pretty much do, do the same thing.  The only thing really I saw about
CCC, which SD didn't have was the ability to make a USB bootable installer
drive of Mountain Lion.  I'm not even totally sure if they have updated that
feature yet to support Mavericks.  Aside that though, I didn't really find
that much difference.  I think it's more in which you like better as far as
the interface, and which one you can afford, although both of them are about
the same cost, roughly, if I recall correctly.

Chris.


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Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:09 AM
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Is Super Duper! Worth The Bother? [Yes, Of course it is]

Hi Gordon,
How does it compare to Carbon Copy cloner?  They seem to do the same thing
more or less.

Dónal
On 30 Nov 2013, at 12:06, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> Super Duper!, bother, I really don’t understand that.  It’s probably the
easiest and most effective backup solution I’ve ever seen on any platform.
I’m a little bit shell-shocked by this subject line actually.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
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Re: iPhone 4S and dock problem

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Dumb question, but is the volume turned up on the dock?  I assume it is, 
seeing you say your Nano works.


What type dock are you using?

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- Original Message - 
From: "amy gilbert" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 7:14 PM
Subject: iPhone 4S and dock problem


hi all, i don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but when i 
connect my iphone to my dock no audio comes out of the speakers, but when 
i connect my ipod nano to it it works fine. it charges absolutely fine on 
the dock, just no audio at all. i'm really hoping it's not my phone that's 
broken. has anyone got any ideas why it could be doing it? amy

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Re: google drive

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Thank you for this information.

I was actually really wanting to give this a try.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Jones" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: google drive


Hi Ian -- Yes, Google Drive can work like Dropbox. I've had no problems 
copying files to and from my Google Drive using the Google Drive App on my 
Macbook Air running Mountain Lion. You are limited to 5GB of storage 
unless you purchase more. I do not care to use Google's web interface for 
file management, but if you want to go that route I strongly suggest using 
the latest Chrome browser and ChromeVox rather than Safari & VO. Chrome & 
Vox just work better with Drive and Docs at this point. Here are the steps 
I used to install the Google Drive App:


1. Go to drive.google.com
2. Sign in with your google account credentials.
3. Download the Google Drive installer for Mac. It downloads as a DMG 
file.
4. Open the DMG and copy the "Google Drives.app" item to your Applications 
folder.

5. Launch the Google Drives.App item from your Applications folder.
6. Accept the OSX security warning.
7. You should be prompted to login to Google Drive using your Google 
account.
8. After successful login, you should be presented with two dialogs that 
present some getting started info. The second dialog will allow you to 
modify sync settings and to kick off the initial sync process.

9. You'll be prompted to enter the login credentials for your Mac.

You should now have a "Google Drive" item in your Finder's sidebar and you 
should be able to copy and paste items to and from that drive. You should 
also have a Google Drive item in your Menu Extras area which you can reach 
by pressing VO+MM. Activate that menu to get access to basic config 
settings etc.


While the Google Drive App and associated bits are nicely accessible to 
VO, you might need to make use of VO's Window Chooser VO+F2+F2 during the 
install process to find the dialog boxes.


HTH,
Bryan

On Jan 21, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Ian Harrison 
 wrote:

using on the mac.

I think I am using the web interface, though I did try to download the 
app. All I ended up with was a google drive finder window on my desktop.


I was under the impression google drive could work a bit like drop box 
and copying files into the finder window would start an upload. This does 
not seem to happen, so I started to try to use the web interface instead.


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Re: google drive

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Hmm, Well, I like what I'm seeing so far for what it's worth, but I'm not 
too keened on the fact that there doesn't appear to be a way without 
actually going to the web site itself, which is a pain in the kneck at best, 
to actually share a file or an entire directory with another Google Drive 
user.  I see exactly how to do it in the i o s app, but not from the Windows 
nor the mac versions.  Aside from this though, not bad for what it's worth. 
The other thing too I really don't totally like is the fact that the file 
types that the I O S version uses seemed to be a bit more limited than 
Dropbox.  For instance, I synced a .wav file from my windows machine... now, 
obviously, my mac played it perfectly, but I was unable to get it to play on 
my IPhone.  That's kind of a bummer, as there are some uncompressed files 
that I actually did want to stream, but I guess there went that idea.  LOL! 
I think it's definitely! got potential, but I do think it could use a little 
work.  Alas, thanks for giving the instructions how to get it up and going. 
It's greatly appreciated.


Chris. 


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Re: Google Docs

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh, I knew you were speaking of the Mac, I was simply just commenting my 
findings across all platforms.  Sorry for the confusion.  See my most recent 
audioboo by following me on Twitter.  I  explain my findings a bit more 
thoroughly.


@gilland_chris

I think my A B name is:  chris28210, but don't quote me.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Fred Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: Google Docs



Thanks,

I meant on the Mac, rather than IOS. I'll download the Google Drive app 
and do some testing.


Fred


On 23/01/2013, at 1:08 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hi Fred -- Are you referring to VoiceOver on the Mac or on an IOS device? 
In my experience, it is possible to accomplish some basic document 
creation, reading and editing,on both platforms but the level of access 
to collaboration tools is limited. My first suggestion would be to 
install the latest version of the Google Drive App, which is available 
from the App Store for IOS or as a DMG installer for Mac (outlined in the 
email I just sent to Ian). In IOS, that App will handle everything for 
you. On the Mac, the Google Drive App will handle file management but 
you'll still be working inside a web browser when reading or editing a 
doc. I strongly suggest using the latest Chrome browser and ChromeVox 
plugin if you intend to try any heavy lifting in Google Docs. That combo 
works much better than Safari & VO when it comes to google docs.


HTH,
Bryan

On Jan 22, 2013, at 3:50 AM, Fred Smith  wrote:

I'm interested in using Google Docs with Voiceover -- mainly because it 
might be a good way for several people to collaborate on editing a 
document. Can anyone tell me: How compatible with Voiceover is Google 
Docs?


Thanks,
Fred Smith


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Re: putting mountain lion on an old 2006 iMac.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm unaware of a way to do this with any patches, and it wouldn't be 
supported even if so.  Sorry.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:36 AM
Subject: putting mountain lion on an old 2006 iMac.


greetings precious humans,

I have one of those old white iMacs from about 2006 (I think).  It's one of 
those which used to come with the magnetic remote control which (quite 
conveniently) stuck to the side of the machine.


I want to pop either Lion or Mountain Lion on the machine.  I've read some 
things on the net that indicate it's possible, once one applies some patches 
etc.  Has anyone on list attempted this?  I'm not hugely bothered if the 
thing goes pear-shaped as I haven't used this thing in about 2 years but I'd 
like to give it a go and resurrect this machine.


As ever thanks in advance,

Dónal
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Re: Volume when using Skype on iPhone 3GS

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Granted, I have never tried Skype on a 3 anything, only on a 4, 4s, and 5, I 
never once have had the issue that you described.  ok, this is gonna sound 
like an incredibly stupid question, shoot me with a pistil for asking, LOL! 
but seriously, you do! realize, don't you, that the audio is getting 
rerouted to your earpiece that you hold up to your ear, and not through the 
loud speaker.  So, if you're holding the phone away from your ear after 
placing a call, then, no wonder it's so quiet.  Yeah, you can toggle it once 
in a call to the loud speaker, but by default, it won't be set there.  Aside 
from this question, I have no idea.  Is Skype even fully compatible with the 
3GS phones?  I honestly can't say I'm sure either way pardon the ignorance.


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Hello,
I have the latest version of the Skype App on my iPhone 3GS which is 
running the latest IOS. I am using it with VoiceOver and it all works fine 
except that the Volume of the Skype test call is so low that I can hardly 
hear it. I have my phone volume turned up to maximum and it is fine for 
VoiceOver and for Apps like the BBC iPlayer.


I have looked at the Skype settings and cannot see anything which might 
let me increase the volume.


Do I have to turn VoiceOver off to increase Skype volume to an acceptable 
level?


Any thoughts?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Volume when using Skype on iPhone 3GS

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As for the video part of it with the camera, down at the very bottom of the 
screen when you're in an active call are a few buttons.  One of them will 
say something like start video.  If you double tap this, it'll turn on the 
front facing camera.  I'm not sure if you can flip it to the back facing.  I 
don't think you can, but don't quote me.  I don't normally use the video 
part of Skype when on my phone.  NOw, on the mac itself, that's a different 
sotry.  I use the web cam eye sight all the time, that is, unless I'm not 
fully dressed.  LOL, which is very rare if ever.


As for getting it to the speaker phone, same principle.  Down at the bottom 
with all the buttons going across the screen while in the call, you'll see a 
handset button.  If you double tap on this, then directly virtically above 
this button will be a fwew options that will pop up.  So if you then just 
move your finger directly above, as I don't think you can flick to them 
until you've landed pon one of them, you should see handset, speaker, then 
bluetooth handset, provided you have one pared and connected.  If you don't, 
then you won't see the BT option at all.  Just double tap on speaker, and 
there you go.  Keep in mind that once the call ends, it's gonna go back to 
earpiece regardless.  There's no way that I know to set it to always default 
to speaker.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Matthew Chao" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:23 AM
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I have Skype on my iPhone 4S.  How do I make the sound go to the speaker, 
and how can I make sure the camera is working?  After all, Skype does 
video.  Thanks.


Matthew Chao

At 08:11 AM 1/27/2013, you wrote:
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Granted, I have never tried Skype on a 3 anything, only on a 4, 4s, and 5, 
I never once have had the issue that you described.  ok, this is gonna 
sound like an incredibly stupid question, shoot me with a pistil for 
asking, LOL! but seriously, you do! realize, don't you, that the audio is 
getting rerouted to your earpiece that you hold up to your ear, and not 
through the loud speaker.  So, if you're holding the phone away from your 
ear after placing a call, then, no wonder it's so quiet.  Yeah, you can 
toggle it once in a call to the loud speaker, but by default, it won't be 
set there.  Aside from this question, I have no idea.  Is Skype even fully 
compatible with the 3GS phones?  I honestly can't say I'm sure either way 
pardon the ignorance.


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- Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell" 


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Subject: Volume when using Skype on iPhone 3GS


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Hello,
I have the latest version of the Skype App on my iPhone 3GS which is 
running the latest IOS. I am using it with VoiceOver and it all works 
fine except that the Volume of the Skype test call is so low that I can 
hardly hear it. I have my phone volume turned up to maximum and it is 
fine for VoiceOver and for Apps like the BBC iPlayer.


I have looked at the Skype settings and cannot see anything which might 
let me increase the volume.


Do I have to turn VoiceOver off to increase Skype volume to an acceptable 
level?


Any thoughts?
Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Volume when using Skype on iPhone 3GS

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Paul,

I wrote a more descriptive response a second ago, but basically look at the 
bottom of the screen.  There is a button down there that will say hand set. 
If you double tap it, then look directly above that icon, you'll see an 
option to then toggle it to speaker.  Just know that as soon as the call 
ends, it's gonna go back to the ear piece.


On another note Paul, you say you have hearing aides.  I have possibly two 
options for you regarding that.  Actually 3 options.  First of all, do your 
aides have the T-Coil switch on them?  If so, flip that on and see if that 
helps when putting the phone to your ear.  Are your hearing aides bluetooth 
compatible as some are?  If so, try paring them to the phone as then you 
definitely! won't have to worry about volume issues.  Finally, on the phone, 
go under settings, general, accessibility, then double tap on hearing aides. 
I'm not totally sure what that option does being I'm still waiting to get my 
aides, as the states gonna be funding them for me, but anyway... it may be 
worth looking in there just in case there is something that may help you 
out.  It's just a thought.


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- Original Message - 
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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: Volume when using Skype on iPhone 3GS


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Hi Chris,
Many thanks for your prompt reply. I have hearing aids and so rely on the 
phone speaker as it is difficult to position the phone to the hearing aid 
mic. So your explanation of why the sound volume is so low is probably 
correct.


You say that I can toggle the sound of the phone call to use the phone 
speaker. How to I do that?


Many thanks.

Paul Hopewell
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Re: Imap on iPad using IOS 6.1

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How did you get i o s 6.1?  I thought 6.0.1 was the latest?

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Hello all,
I am trying to configure my email account for imap on my iPad 2 running 
6.1. But when I select add new account, then other, then create mail 
account and then enter my name ETC and double tap next, then next screen 
displays pop account information with no way to choose imap. My ISP still 
supports imap. Where is the imap selection now in 6.1? Any suggestions are 
welcome.

Thank you,
TJ
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Re: dictation on IOS

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I've also had the issue that Glenn is describing.

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: dictation on IOS


Really? I can dictate for more then about 30 seconds. I don't think there 
is as it needs time to process. I find that dictating a sentence at  a 
time works well.


Take care.
On Jan 28, 2013, at 7:56 PM, Glenn  wrote:


Hi All,
I have tried the dictate button on my iPhone, and Dragon Dictate, and all 
of

that stops dictation after 30 seconds.
Is there an app out there that will allow you to keep dictating for a 
longer

time?
Thanks.
Glenn

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Very aggervating problem when printing, please help.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

All right, this is about to drive me baunkers!

In my company, I do a fair amount of printing printed material.  So, I have 
an HP Desk Jet 3050A J printer which I recently obtained, and am using with 
10.8.2 Mountain Lion.


Here's the situation.  Probably someone like Lynn etc. who's got full sight, 
or at least has some vision probably will understand this concept a bit 
better, but anyone... please respond if you think you may know, as the 
sooner I can fix this problem, the better.


OK, let's say for an example, that I have a document which I've typed up in 
Text Edit.  I know, you're probably saying why not use Pages?  That's 
irrelavant.  Just stick with me on this please.  The bottom line is, I've 
typed a document, and we'll just say it's 3 pages in length.  It's gotta be 
multiple pages for this example to be accurate.  So, humor me here.  So, I'm 
ready to print, I hit command+P, select my printer, then hit the print 
button with vo+space.  Excellent, it prints.  But, there is one major issue. 
The printer grabs a sheet of paper from the paper load feeder or whatever 
you call that thing where the paper stands up before being fed through to 
print.  Anyway, it sucks in the sheet, prints page 1 of the file, then drops 
it on the take up tray.  Then, it sucks the next page of paper from the 
feeder, and prints page 2.  Then drops it.  Finally it does one more time, 
prints page 3, and thenb drops it.  OK, you're probably going yeah, isn't 
that what it's supposed to do?  Yeah, it is... kind a... but here's the 
problem.  Now, I have these 3 sheets on the tray which have just been 
printed, waiting for me to grab, one stacked on top of the other.  When I go 
to brab them, seeing each page is being dropped on top of the prior page, 
things are backwards.  I hope I'm making sense.  So in other words, page 1 
gets fed, printed, then dropped.  Page two is fed, printed, then dropped on 
top of page 1.  Then page 3 is fed, printed, then dropped on top of page 2. 
So now when I go to grab the sheets from the tray, they're backwards.  Page 
3's on the top, and page 1's on the very bottom.  You can imagine, for 3 
pages, not that big of a deal, but if I had like 10 pages, or something like 
a big expense report, or what not, this could really become enough for you 
to want to throw the printer across the room!  So ultimately, can I make it 
print page 3 first, then 2, then 1.  This way 3 comes out, then 2's dropped 
on top of 3, then finally 1 spits out, and is dropped on top of 2.  This way 
when I grab them, all I gotta do is rotate them 180 degrees but as far as 
the stacking goes, they're correct, 1 on top, 3 on bottom like they should 
be when reading.  I called Apple, and they absolutely insist! that there is 
no way to do this, that I just gotta deal with it.  I'm sorry, but I find 
that incredibly hard to believe.  I mean that isn't even logical that they 
wouldn't give you an option.  If I've confused you more than helping, I'm 
sorry.  It's a little bit hard to explain.


Chris.

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Re: How to reverse the order of printing pages [was Re: Very aggervatingproblem when printing, please help.]

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you Ester.  This is excellent!  That did the trick beautifully.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Esther" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:07 PM
Subject: How to reverse the order of printing pages [was Re: Very 
aggervatingproblem when printing, please help.]




Hello Chris,

You can change the page order for printing in your print dialog window by 
setting the last pop up button to "Paper Handling" and setting your 
options.  When you press Command-P to print, your focus will be on the 
printer selection in the print dialog window.  VO-Right to the printers 
pop up button, then VO-Down arrow past the pop up buttons for presets and 
paper size.  Just past the page orientation will be a pop up button which 
would be set to "TextEdit" in the example you gave of printing from 
TextEdit.  VO-Space on this pop up button and set it to "Paper Handling". 
Then navigate to the pop up button for "Page Order", which will probably 
be set to "Automatic", and change it to "Reverse".  The actual values to 
set may depend on your printer model, since some printers deliver the 
pages face down, and in the same order as printed.


If you're printing from an application where the print dialog window is 
abbreviated, so there are no options displayed for page orientation in 
portrait or landscape mode, first navigate to the "show details" button 
and press it (VO-Space) so that the full set of print dialog window 
options are shown.  Then you'll be able to set up paper handling to 
reverse the printing order as described above.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther
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Re: Lynne To Review Cute FTP Pro 3.0 For Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh my God!  Cute FTP has a mac version?  That's my favorite ftp client for 
windows!  I'd be honored! to try it on the Mac!  Please please please! let 
us know once your review is ready, as I would kill! to try this if it were 
Voiceover friendly.  Mingwhile, can I get a trial of it?


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From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Lynne To Review Cute FTP Pro 3.0 For Mac



Hello Sean

There are a couple of option; you could either use something like Transmit 
or CuteFTP which, I hope, I will get reviewed this afternoon. Otherwise 
you could use one of the freeware applications for Mac which, I am told, 
do a good job. I'll let the group know as soon as I get the review done.


Lynne

On 5 Feb 2013, at 22:34, Sean Murphy  wrote:

I also would be interested. I currently use the shell environment which is 
fine. But using a GUI can be easier.
On 05/02/2013, at 4:10 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
 wrote:



Hello John

We shall soon see. The latest version is re-written in Coco and now uses 
OS X standard controls. I will do the review and let you know.


Lynne

On 4 Feb 2013, at 21:07, John Panarese  wrote:

I didn't know it was even accessible.  I used the Windows version quite 
successfully for a few years back around 2001 and 2002.



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Re: Lynne To Review Cute FTP Pro 3.0 For Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I confess when I looked at it, and after reading your review, things are 
only somewhat looking accessible.  I see a ton of unlabeled buttons, and a 
lot of unlabeled check boxes in the main portion of the application.  And, 
after trying to connect, I didn't see any indication it did so.  Maybe I'm 
just gray and dumb, but... LOL!  Just kidding, but seriously.


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From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: Lynne To Review Cute FTP Pro 3.0 For Mac



Hello Chris

I think we posted a blog link. yes it's accessible, it seems to work fine.

Lynne

On 6 Feb 2013, at 15:18, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Oh my God!  Cute FTP has a mac version?  That's my favorite ftp client for 
windows!  I'd be honored! to try it on the Mac!  Please please please! let 
us know once your review is ready, as I would kill! to try this if it were 
Voiceover friendly.  Mingwhile, can I get a trial of it?


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Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

OK guys.  So here's the situation.  I am running OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.2. 
I have gone under system preferences, then to sharing.  I turned on web 
sharing, which started the web Apache http daemon service built into the OS 
by default out of the box.  The problem is, even after enabling the root 
user account which for liability reasons I am not on list going to reveal 
how to do, I still cannot see under /etc/apache any type of httpd.conf file 
that I can edit in Text Edit like I would do on Unix/Linux.  I know that one 
for 20 bucks in the app store can get the server extention add-ons, but why 
do that only for a GUI front end interface?  Sure it makes things like 
setting up dns routing, port mascing, IP cloning etc. more easy, but... 
Basically, I only need to really make two changes.  By default, the web 
daemon is set to be user specific.  This means if I want to access a file 
over the web http service, I must go to:


http://IPAddress/~UserName

IE:  http://192.168.1.11/~chris

Then, basically I can access from there anything inside 
/MacintoshHD/Users/chris/Sites, such as index.html


So my question is, I want to change the directive within the conf file so 
that instead of it being user specific, it is system-wide.  This way instead 
of going to an address formatted like above, I could instead jsut go to:


http://IPAddress

and that's it.  no /~UserName at the end.  The only problem is, in doing 
this, if I make the service system wide, then I'd also suspect I'd have to 
somehow change the HTDocs location so that there would be one global system 
wide directory where all web files would go.  Then I'd probably have to 
chmod the thing and set not just the owner and the group, but also everyone 
else to RW, read/write.


chmod 666 /MacintoshHD/Users/chris/PathToWebFiles/*

So really, I need to knwo A, where is the conf file, B, how to change those 
two directives in the file.


Chris. 


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Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing

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John,

All I know is under system prefs, sharing, there is an option to enable web 
sharing.  that's all I can tell ya.


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From: "John Panarese" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing


  I don't think web sharing is supported in Mountain Lion any longer.  I 
could be wrong, but I believe that is what I read.  Thus, you won't find 
that folder.



Take Care

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On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


OK guys.  So here's the situation.  I am running OSX Mountain Lion 
10.8.2. I have gone under system preferences, then to sharing.  I turned 
on web sharing, which started the web Apache http daemon service built 
into the OS by default out of the box.  The problem is, even after 
enabling the root user account which for liability reasons I am not on 
list going to reveal how to do, I still cannot see under /etc/apache any 
type of httpd.conf file that I can edit in Text Edit like I would do on 
Unix/Linux.  I know that one for 20 bucks in the app store can get the 
server extention add-ons, but why do that only for a GUI front end 
interface?  Sure it makes things like setting up dns routing, port 
mascing, IP cloning etc. more easy, but... Basically, I only need to 
really make two changes.  By default, the web daemon is set to be user 
specific.  This means if I want to access a file over the web http 
service, I must go to:


http://IPAddress/~UserName

IE:  http://192.168.1.11/~chris

Then, basically I can access from there anything inside 
/MacintoshHD/Users/chris/Sites, such as index.html


So my question is, I want to change the directive within the conf file so 
that instead of it being user specific, it is system-wide.  This way 
instead of going to an address formatted like above, I could instead jsut 
go to:


http://IPAddress

and that's it.  no /~UserName at the end.  The only problem is, in doing 
this, if I make the service system wide, then I'd also suspect I'd have 
to somehow change the HTDocs location so that there would be one global 
system wide directory where all web files would go.  Then I'd probably 
have to chmod the thing and set not just the owner and the group, but 
also everyone else to RW, read/write.


chmod 666 /MacintoshHD/Users/chris/PathToWebFiles/*

So really, I need to knwo A, where is the conf file, B, how to change 
those two directives in the file.


Chris.
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Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Oh, maybe that is why.  Yeah, I did upgrade from Snow Leopard, you're right.

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From: "John Panarese" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing


  Yes, but I don't think the personal website is supported in ML any 
longer.  Did you upgrade from Lion or Snow Leopard?  It might still be in 
sharing prefs because of that.  With my Mini, which I did a complete clean 
install on, there is no Web sharing service listed in my sharing prefs.




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On Feb 8, 2013, at 10:05 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:



John,

All I know is under system prefs, sharing, there is an option to enable 
web sharing.  that's all I can tell ya.


Chris Gilland.
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- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about 
sharing



 I don't think web sharing is supported in Mountain Lion any longer.  I 
could be wrong, but I believe that is what I read.  Thus, you won't find 
that folder.



Take Care

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On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


OK guys.  So here's the situation.  I am running OSX Mountain Lion 
10.8.2. I have gone under system preferences, then to sharing.  I 
turned on web sharing, which started the web Apache http daemon service 
built into the OS by default out of the box.  The problem is, even 
after enabling the root user account which for liability reasons I am 
not on list going to reveal how to do, I still cannot see under 
/etc/apache any type of httpd.conf file that I can edit in Text Edit 
like I would do on Unix/Linux.  I know that one for 20 bucks in the app 
store can get the server extention add-ons, but why do that only for a 
GUI front end interface?  Sure it makes things like setting up dns 
routing, port mascing, IP cloning etc. more easy, but... Basically, I 
only need to really make two changes.  By default, the web daemon is 
set to be user specific.  This means if I want to access a file over 
the web http service, I must go to:


http://IPAddress/~UserName

IE:  http://192.168.1.11/~chris

Then, basically I can access from there anything inside 
/MacintoshHD/Users/chris/Sites, such as index.html


So my question is, I want to change the directive within the conf file 
so that instead of it being user specific, it is system-wide.  This way 
instead of going to an address formatted like above, I could instead 
jsut go to:


http://IPAddress

and that's it.  no /~UserName at the end.  The only problem is, in 
doing this, if I make the service system wide, then I'd also suspect 
I'd have to somehow change the HTDocs location so that there would be 
one global system wide directory where all web files would go.  Then 
I'd probably have to chmod the thing and set not just the owner and the 
group, but also everyone else to RW, read/write.


chmod 666 /MacintoshHD/Users/chris/PathToWebFiles/*

So really, I need to knwo A, where is the conf file, B, how to change 
those two directives in the file.


Chris.
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Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you!  This is excellent!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Nicolai Svendsen" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing



Hi!

Some people won't have the web sharing box in System Preferences in 
Mountain Lion. So, you have to enable Apache in Terminal like so

sudo apachectl start
You can replace "start" with stop and restart as you see fit, but keep in 
mind that you have to make OS X launch the daemon when you boot the 
system. This won't be done automatically.
sudo defaults write /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/org.apache.httpd 
Disabled -bool false
To disable this, you of course just write "true" instead of "false" in 
Terminal.


From what I can tell, Apache actually already uses both system and 
user-specific web sharing, though I can't make the system-wide 
configuration work when I put files in the appropriate folders. This may 
just be because it might have one enabled this being the user, but it does 
show the site added in the /library/webserver/documents location which is 
for the system-wide web share, so I can't imagine that being correct.


Either way, configuration file is here:
/etc/apache2/httpd.conf

IF you don't see it, try using something like
nano /etc/apache2/httpd.conf
to open the file and edit it that way.

I can't answer your questions completely, I think, since I can't make it 
properly work for me due to my configuration in my current area.


Regards,
Nicolai
On Feb 8, 2013, at 4:08 PM, John Panarese  
wrote:


  Yes, but I don't think the personal website is supported in ML any 
longer.  Did you upgrade from Lion or Snow Leopard?  It might still be in 
sharing prefs because of that.  With my Mini, which I did a complete 
clean install on, there is no Web sharing service listed in my sharing 
prefs.




Take Care

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On Feb 8, 2013, at 10:05 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:



John,

All I know is under system prefs, sharing, there is an option to enable 
web sharing.  that's all I can tell ya.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
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- Original Message - From: "John Panarese" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about 
sharing



I don't think web sharing is supported in Mountain Lion any longer.  I 
could be wrong, but I believe that is what I read.  Thus, you won't 
find that folder.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
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On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


OK guys.  So here's the situation.  I am running OSX Mountain Lion 
10.8.2. I have gone under system preferences, then to sharing.  I 
turned on web sharing, which started the web Apache http daemon 
service built into the OS by default out of the box.  The problem is, 
even after enabling the root user account which for liability reasons 
I am not on list going to reveal how to do, I still cannot see under 
/etc/apache any type of httpd.conf file that I can edit in Text Edit 
like I would do on Unix/Linux.  I know that one for 20 bucks in the 
app store can get the server extention add-ons, but why do that only 
for a GUI front end interface?  Sure it makes things like setting up 
dns routing, port mascing, IP cloning etc. more easy, but... 
Basically, I only need to really make two changes.  By default, the 
web daemon is set to be user specific.  This means if I want to access 
a file over the web http service, I must go to:


http://IPAddress/~UserName

IE:  http://192.168.1.11/~chris

Then, basically I can access from there anything inside 
/MacintoshHD/Users/chris/Sites, such as index.html


So my question is, I want to change the directive within the conf file 
so that instead of it being user specific, it is system-wide.  This 
way instead of going to an address formatted like

Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Thank you Sarah.  that is very very much appreciated.  BTW, not trying to 
call you down, but just a very small helpful hint.  I saw in your file name 
you miss spelled Apache.  It's A p A, c h e.  No hard feelings, it's all 
good... just for your future reference...


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: Very high intermediate towards advanced question about sharing



I have an article I copied   from the web regarding this.
You need to enter a bunch of terminal commands but here is the link to the 
file in my dropbox for 24 hours.


https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzj8vxjj0hfwxje/%20configure%20apatchee%20in%20the%20terminal.txt?dl=1

Take care.
On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:59 AM, John Panarese  
wrote:


  I don't think web sharing is supported in Mountain Lion any longer.  I 
could be wrong, but I believe that is what I read.  Thus, you won't find 
that folder.



Take Care

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On Feb 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


OK guys.  So here's the situation.  I am running OSX Mountain Lion 
10.8.2. I have gone under system preferences, then to sharing.  I turned 
on web sharing, which started the web Apache http daemon service built 
into the OS by default out of the box.  The problem is, even after 
enabling the root user account which for liability reasons I am not on 
list going to reveal how to do, I still cannot see under /etc/apache any 
type of httpd.conf file that I can edit in Text Edit like I would do on 
Unix/Linux.  I know that one for 20 bucks in the app store can get the 
server extention add-ons, but why do that only for a GUI front end 
interface?  Sure it makes things like setting up dns routing, port 
mascing, IP cloning etc. more easy, but... Basically, I only need to 
really make two changes.  By default, the web daemon is set to be user 
specific.  This means if I want to access a file over the web http 
service, I must go to:


http://IPAddress/~UserName

IE:  http://192.168.1.11/~chris

Then, basically I can access from there anything inside 
/MacintoshHD/Users/chris/Sites, such as index.html


So my question is, I want to change the directive within the conf file 
so that instead of it being user specific, it is system-wide.  This way 
instead of going to an address formatted like above, I could instead 
jsut go to:


http://IPAddress

and that's it.  no /~UserName at the end.  The only problem is, in doing 
this, if I make the service system wide, then I'd also suspect I'd have 
to somehow change the HTDocs location so that there would be one global 
system wide directory where all web files would go.  Then I'd probably 
have to chmod the thing and set not just the owner and the group, but 
also everyone else to RW, read/write.


chmod 666 /MacintoshHD/Users/chris/PathToWebFiles/*

So really, I need to knwo A, where is the conf file, B, how to change 
those two directives in the file.


Chris.
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Re: probably a very dum question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

First of all,

there is no default twitter app that I am aware of and don't know where 
you're getting that.  OSX can automatically send you notifications about 
Twitter to your notification center, but that's definitely not a full 
Twitter client, such as Sirynx or better yet, YoruFukurou.


There's not really per sey a way to shut off the twitter notifications.  You 
could however either delete the account entirely from system 
preferences/mail, contacts, calendars, or you could go under system prefs, 
notifications, and set Twitter to not ever notify, although that kind a 
defeats the holw reason to have it set up in the first place.


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From: "amy gilbert" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: probably a very dum question


hi, i think you can delete the default twitter client as it's not 
accessible, or is it now? or you can go into it's settings if you can 
access them, there might be a setting in there to make it start up at 
start up that you could disable. sorry i'm not much help. amy
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Hi.
I'm very new to the mac so apologies for this probably very basic 
question.
Somehow the in built twitter app has decided to start automatically which 
I don't want to happen.
Can someone please tell me how to stop this from starting when my system 
boots?

Thanks very much indeed!

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Re: alex stuttering when reading on mountain lion

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Nor does he on mine.  He works perfectly.

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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 6:58
Subject: Re: alex stuttering when reading on mountain lion


Not quite sure what you mean by "content voice," but Alex does not stutter 
on my MBA.


Bryan

On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:48 AM, William Lomas  wrote:

hi all do others find alex stutters when reading mail etc. if used as a 
content voice with a macbook air in particular?


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Re: Reading Google Docks

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I am preparing an audio demonstration which will be extremely in depth on 
the use of Chromevox.  I, myself personally don't use it as my primary way 
to browse the web on the mac, but, having said that, I do have it setup and 
configured, and easily enough can use it when in a pinch.  I've not tried it 
with Google docs, admitedly, but from what I hear it works fairly well. 
Will have to give it a go.  Also on another note, I've not forgotten, guys 
about the Radium tutorial.  We just recently had a major death in the 
family, so things with family being in from out of town have been really 
hectic around here.  the recording is finished, I just need to do the final 
editting on it, then will send it.


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- Original Message - 
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 16:19
Subject: Reading Google Docks



Hi all,
Just curious how to read/download Google Docks to read them in an 
accessible format? I notice that with Chromevox and Chrome, pressing CMD-A 
reads the whole document, but how do I read it line by line or like any 
other document? Not sure how to do that.

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Re: dropbox

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Oh wow.  I completely forgot about ctrl+F8.  Thanks for the reminder.

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From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 16:27
Subject: Re: dropbox


an easier way is just press control f8 to get to the status menu. then 
navigate with vo and left right to the dropbox menu, then down arrow to 
what ever you need. Inever use the vo m twice as half the time I forget 
it's there lol!


Take care.
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Hi Kaz

How are you?  What operating system are you using?  If you are using
Mountain Lion, press the VoiceOver keys with M twice, then you can move 
to

Dropbox in the menu and open it from there.

Let me know if you need any further help.

Cheers

Paula


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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Karen Burgess
Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013 12:46 AM
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: dropbox

hi all

just wondering if dropbox works on the mac using voice over?  i've
downloaded and installed it but although i seem to be logged in i can't 
see

any of my folders etc.

kaz
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Re: Reading Google Docks

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Yes, Sarah, you definitely! can.  Modifier+plus, and modifier+equals do 
this.  Then modifier+down arrow will move you forward through the page, and 
if you need to get even more detail, then use modifier+left and right arrow.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 17:24
Subject: Re: Reading Google Docks


Can you zoom in and out by group and line in chrome vox to accomplish 
this? Since i"m learning chrome vox I'm not of much gel but figure it's a 
start.


Take care.
On Feb 24, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Orin  wrote:


Hi all,
Just curious how to read/download Google Docks to read them in an 
accessible format? I notice that with Chromevox and Chrome, pressing 
CMD-A reads the whole document, but how do I read it line by line or like 
any other document? Not sure how to do that.

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Re: Reading Google Docks

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See my previous message.  Yes, it can be done.

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Subject: Re: Reading Google Docks



Not sure, though I'd love to know the answer to that.

Orin
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On Feb 24, 2013, at 5:24 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Can you zoom in and out by group and line in chrome vox to accomplish 
this? Since i"m learning chrome vox I'm not of much gel but figure it's a 
start.


Take care.
On Feb 24, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Orin  wrote:


Hi all,
Just curious how to read/download Google Docks to read them in an 
accessible format? I notice that with Chromevox and Chrome, pressing 
CMD-A reads the whole document, but how do I read it line by line or 
like any other document? Not sure how to do that.

Thanks.
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Re: I'm back

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You wrote:

Oh and where do I find the question mark symble.


Uh, did I miss something here?  It's right on your right pinki and hop it 
down one row of keys?  two keys to the right of the letter m, with the shift 
key?  On your slash key shifted?  This seems extremely obvious to me, so my 
guess is I'm probably missing something pretty major. 


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Re: download window in safari.

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Did you remember first, to hit command+option+L, then tab?

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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 5:08
Subject: download window in safari.


Hi all, my downloads window in safari seems to have disappeared. When I 
tab around to find it it does not seem to be there. It was working ok 
earlier this morning. Wonder if there's something I might have done 
without meaning to.


thanks for any help that can be given.

Ian McNamara
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Re: I'm back

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Now, I'm totally lost!  An azerty keyboard?  Huh?  What did I miss!  LOL!

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Subject: Re: I'm back



Hi George,
On 25 Feb 2013, at 09:55, George Cham  wrote:

Oh and where do I find the question mark symble .

Assuming that you are using a QWERTY keyboard and that you Touch Type, the 
question mark is writen by holding down the shift key with  the little 
finger on your right hand moving down from the semi colon.


If you are using an AZERTY keyboard you'll find the question mark by again 
holding down the shift key and moving your right index finger down from J


hope this helps
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Re: download window in safari.

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You wrote:

In any case, why tab around? Just press Cmd-Option-l and you'll be in the 
downloads window.


Anne,

I think he meant tabbing once he is in the actual downloads window.  correct 
me if I'm wrong.


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Re: download window in safari.

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OK, this is gonna sound really stupid, but I have my reasons for asking.

Are you downloading an audio file, like an mp3 or wave file etc?  Downloads 
work slightly different if so with audio files.  In taht case, instead of 
pressing return, or vo+space... either/or, doesn't matter, your preference, 
on the actual download link that normally gets the download going, try 
hitting option+return, then look and see if the download is going.


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Subject: Re: download window in safari.


Hi, just set something downloading and did command option l, it says show 
downloads but for some reason it's not letting me in to the downloads 
window itself. It is taking me in to the toolbar and I click on the show 
downloads option in there but it's not coming up.


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Re: Show downloads not working

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aa, I think I see now where you all're going with this.  So if the toolbar 
was hidden, you're saying he then couldn't get to the downloads list, as 
that button appears within your toolbar when it is present.  OK, fair 
enough.  That makes complete sense.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 12:11
Subject: Re: Show downloads not working


Yeah I forgot that might be one of the causes of not being able to show 
the download window. Give that a go.


Take care.
On Feb 25, 2013, at 9:02 AM, trevor  wrote:


Thanks for that Randy.
I'll give it a go and see if it shows up my downloads.

Trevor
On 25 Feb 2013, at 14:42, Randy Stegall  wrote:


To show/hide the toolbar press command option t.
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Re: Show downloads not working

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This may seem like a weird question, pardon me for asking, but why in the 
first place would someone wish to hide the toolbar?  I could see if you had 
a little vision and wanted less screen clutter, but even then! it really 
doesn't take up that much to begin with from what I understand.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Stegall" 

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Subject: Re: Show downloads not working



To show/hide the toolbar press command option t.
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Re: Time machine settings

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Shouldn't that be in your syystem preferences?

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Hi List
Ive got time machine setup .
Where on the mac do I change the settings for time machine , like how 
often and time?

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Re: download window in safari.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Sort of, but not exactly.  It's kind a hard to explain, but for the most 
part all things considered, you're understanding correctly.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Burgess" 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:05
Subject: Re: download window in safari.


oh i see, so what you mean is its there in my downloads folder but only so 
i can open and play it its not downloaded properly unless i do option and 
return on the download link?


kaz
On 26 Feb 2013, at 10:55, Christopher Gilland  
wrote:


OK, I probably should have been more specific; sorry about that. 
Basically, what the deal is with audio files is that if you select a link 
from a web site which links directly to an audio file, rather than the 
file actually downloading, it will simply download it to your temporary 
internet cache, then will open it its own Safari window, and will start 
playing the file.  If you then look in your donwloads window in the 
Finder, you'll see that the file isn't there.  This is because all that 
happened was the audio file was cached, but not literally downloaded. 
Well, ok, fine techies as myself.  Don't be such a smart alak.  It does 
download, there, you happy now?  But, it only downloads in the since of 
downloading then caching the file to buffer/play in it's own window.  So 
by navigating to the link, then hitting option+return, you're basically 
by doing so, forcing Safari to literally download the audio file, and to 
throw it in your downloads folder rather than trying to just

 c

ache the file, open, then play it.

Does that make sense?

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On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:48 AM, Karen Burgess  
wrote:


do audio files behave differently when they are downloaded to? i've 
downloaded an audiobook which is zipped, whenever i try to open it i 
can't, iTunes plays it instead but it won't let me do anything else, so 
frustrating.


kaz
On 26 Feb 2013, at 08:57, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


OK, this is gonna sound really stupid, but I have my reasons for 
asking.


Are you downloading an audio file, like an mp3 or wave file etc? 
Downloads work slightly different if so with audio files.  In taht 
case, instead of pressing return, or vo+space... either/or, doesn't 
matter, your preference, on the actual download link that normally gets 
the download going, try hitting option+return, then look and see if the 
download is going.


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- Original Message - From: "Ian McNamara" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:27
Subject: Re: download window in safari.


Hi, just set something downloading and did command option l, it says 
show downloads but for some reason it's not letting me in to the 
downloads window itself. It is taking me in to the toolbar and I click 
on the show downloads option in there but it's not coming up.


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Re: Show downloads not working

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

David,

with all due respect, why not just do vo+end, or fn+vo+right arrow whilst 
not interacting with anything.  That should land you on the html content 
regardless.  If it doesn't, then just vo left maybe once or twice and your'e 
there, then can interact.


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- Original Message - 
From: "David Griffith" 

To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:09
Subject: RE: Show downloads not working



The main reason I have done it is that it speeds things up with page
navigation if I jump back up to top of the page. I do not then have to 
wade

back through all the toolbar elements YouTube Wikipedia etc to get to html
content.

David Griffith

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[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: 26 February 2013 09:03
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Show downloads not working

This may seem like a weird question, pardon me for asking, but why in the
first place would someone wish to hide the toolbar?  I could see if you 
had

a little vision and wanted less screen clutter, but even then! it really
doesn't take up that much to begin with from what I understand.

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- Original Message -
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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 9:42
Subject: Re: Show downloads not working



To show/hide the toolbar press command option t.
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Re: safe mode and voiceover

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me do 
some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do it and 
get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there should be. 
It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad 
at all.


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Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 only 
uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound drivers or 
anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  
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hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe mode 
yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition


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Re: safe mode and voiceover

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I just need to figure out what kext files have to be loaded and how in 
terminal to do so.  Give me some time.  It may take a day or so for me to 
figure this one out, as this is a tuffy, but I'll do what I can, no promises 
though.


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Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover



thanks as could get loads of us out of situations smile

On 27 Feb 2013, at 15:26, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
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You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually enable the 
audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be silly not.  Let me 
do some digging around, and will then post the exact steps on how to do 
it and get it up and working if there be a way, which as I said, there 
should be. It may involve terminal work, but even if so, it shouldn't be 
anything bad at all.


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- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 10 
only uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any sound 
drivers or anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas  
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hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to safe 
mode yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being able to 
partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform partitioning i worry 
in case i may in future possess a bigger mac hd and need to partition


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Re: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What is the name of the app?  I'm in the US, but I don't see it, when 
searching for Seeing eye


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From: "William Lomas" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:03
Subject: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye


the app will not be in UK or outside north america to start with although 
at least when it reaches UK it will be i guess v2


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Re: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye

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Oh, ok.  That would explain it.

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To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 7:40
Subject: Re: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye


My understanding is that right now the app is only available to those at 
the CSUN conference. So it is not in the app store that I don't believe.


On Feb 27, 2013, at 9:43 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


What is the name of the app?  I'm in the US, but I don't see it, when 
searching for Seeing eye


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Phone: 803-760-7136
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- Original Message - From: "William Lomas" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 11:03
Subject: for those wanting the iPhone gps application from seeing eye


the app will not be in UK or outside north america to start with 
although at least when it reaches UK it will be i guess v2


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Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What would be the senareo where I'd get what you all're talking about being 
accessible, maybe I dont' get it either, but I always thought the recovery 
was accessible.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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Phone: 803-760-7136
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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Gregory" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:35
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo


right… When I had the flashing ? I couldn't do a thing  with it I had to 
take it in. And I think they said that that part is not accessible but 
they were going to work on it or something.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Agreed, I've never had that happen. GOod to know it isn't accessible. 
THough one would think the recovery partition would still be, as anything 
you do to the main one shouldn't impact it.

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Oh that I have never had happen. Hmm. so you are saying that part is 
*not* accessible to us? like if you accidentally reformat your partision 
where ml is supposed to be?


Take care.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

No… We mean when you have to download a copy of mountain lion off-line 
when it Cant find an operating system. You know, when the flashing 
question mark comes up on the screen.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Zachary Kline  
wrote:



Wifi is accessible under Mountain Lion.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Josh Gregory  
wrote:


Well it should be… It looks like people are going to need to start 
campaigning to Apple accessibility.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  
wrote:


Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a flash 
drive as even with my  15 mbp connection, it will still be slow to 
download the mountain lion thingy.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory  
wrote:


Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That 
way if I or any other person that can't see had to go into this 
mode, they had a way to do it without sighted assistance. Thanks 
very much! Oh, it would also be nice if there were a way to do an 
Internet install of OS X without sighted help  to…


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually 
enable the audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be 
silly not.  Let me do some digging around, and will then post the 
exact steps on how to do it and get it up and working if there be 
a way, which as I said, there should be. It may involve terminal 
work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad at all.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and 
holidays.
- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, OS 
10 only uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up any 
sound drivers or anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas 
 wrote:


hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to 
safe mode yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being 
able to partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform 
partitioning i worry in case i may in future possess a bigger 
mac hd and need to partition


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Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ow!

I'd hope not!  I'd think you do that, good luck even installing anything, 
without help, but that's why I'd make a bootable USB stick.  I'll try 
hunting down the info on how to do this, and post it on our web site.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
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E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
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- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 16:38
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo


Yeah I would like to know the same in case I ever find my mac in that state 
where I can't even get to the recovery consul. Is that what you all are 
hinting that is if you sone how blow your recovery partition and the ml 
partitions you get that question mark and there's not a thing you can do as 
a blind person to solve it?


Take care.
On Mar 1, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


What would be the senareo where I'd get what you all're talking about 
being accessible, maybe I dont' get it either, but I always thought the 
recovery was accessible.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and holidays.
- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 12:35
Subject: Re: mountain lion recovery accessibility and vo


right… When I had the flashing ? I couldn't do a thing  with it I had to 
take it in. And I think they said that that part is not accessible but 
they were going to work on it or something.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

Agreed, I've never had that happen. GOod to know it isn't accessible. 
THough one would think the recovery partition would still be, as 
anything you do to the main one shouldn't impact it.

On Feb 28, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Oh that I have never had happen. Hmm. so you are saying that part is 
*not* accessible to us? like if you accidentally reformat your 
partision where ml is supposed to be?


Take care.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:40 PM, Josh Gregory  wrote:

No… We mean when you have to download a copy of mountain lion off-line 
when it Cant find an operating system. You know, when the flashing 
question mark comes up on the screen.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Zachary Kline  
wrote:



Wifi is accessible under Mountain Lion.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Josh Gregory  
wrote:


Well it should be… It looks like people are going to need to start 
campaigning to Apple accessibility.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Sarah k Alawami  
wrote:


Yeah the wifi part is not accessible, but I just created a flash 
drive as even with my  15 mbp connection, it will still be slow to 
download the mountain lion thingy.
On Feb 27, 2013, at 7:36 AM, Josh Gregory  
wrote:


Hi Chris, that would certainly be nice if you could do that. That 
way if I or any other person that can't see had to go into this 
mode, they had a way to do it without sighted assistance. Thanks 
very much! Oh, it would also be nice if there were a way to do an 
Internet install of OS X without sighted help  to…


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


You're correct, however there has gotta be a way to manually 
enable the audio service.  there just has! to be.  That would be 
silly not.  Let me do some digging around, and will then post the 
exact steps on how to do it and get it up and working if there be 
a way, which as I said, there should be. It may involve terminal 
work, but even if so, it shouldn't be anything bad at all.


Chris Gilland.
Founder of CLG Productions
http://www.clgproductions.com
E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
Phone: 803-760-7136
Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
Mon-Fri 8A.M-5P.M Eastern Standard Time except weekends and 
holidays.
- Original Message - From: "Josh Gregory" 


To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:07
Subject: Re: safe mode and voiceover


I believe, that if I'm correct, that when safemode is enabled, 
OS 10 only uses what it needs to boot up, and does not boot up 
any sound drivers or anything like that.


Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:02 AM, William Lomas 
 wrote:


hi all when holding down shift on a mac at boot up we get in to 
safe mode yet voiceover does not work?
i read this can solve my disc problem with bootcamp not being 
able to partition. if flash ssd's are so unable to perform 
partitioning i worry in case i may in fut

Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed from this list

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gotcha.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Griffith" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 3:52 AM
Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed 
from this list




It has not worked.

I have tried this method and the other address posted twice but I am still
here.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 May 2015 01:22
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un 
subscribed

from this list

That's exactly what I suggested people do all along!

Did it not work, or did people just simply not listen to me when I tried
helping!

Makes ya wonder.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Hill" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed 
from


this list



Hello everyone,

Well, maybe things are getting more toward normal or something, but I was
able to use the following procedure to unsubscribe, and resubscribe this
morning.

Send an email message as follows:

mac-access-requ...@mac-access.net

Leave the subject blank.

In the message body put the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotation
marks)

That should get you unsubscribed.

If you want a list of commands that you can use send an email to the 
above



address, and in the body of the message put "help" without the quotes.

Bob Hill

which
- Original Message -
From: jazzyjennifer 
To:  mac-access@mac-access.net
CC:
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed from this list




yeah usely there is links with the list, at the end of the email like it
will say how to un subscribe, then there will be an email for un
subscribeing. and all them email links are missing at the end of each
messege of tis group.

On 5/26/2015 11:09 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Unfortunately it appears, fairly bizarrely, that nobody is listening or
watching the list.
Perhaps somebody who knows Gordon personally can get in touch with him,
or at least Lynne to try and get the list pulled until it can be
resurrected in proper form with only those who want to be on the list
participating.
in the meantime there is clearly no point in people adding to list
traffic with unsubscribe request.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: Danny Mathis [mailto:danny.mat...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 May 2015 15:09
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': i would like to un subscribed from this list

I to want unsubscribed from this list.  Both of my macs are sold.  I
do not nor want an IPCbi'hone ever.  So please remove me from this list.
yes, I am an android user "team android all the way."

On 5/26/15, jazzyjennifer  wrote:

can someone please un subscribe me from this list. i would do it. but
there is no links at the bottom of emails of links on this email list.

-
my skype is jwens1000 and when adding me to skype, please mention where
you
found me at, other wize you will not be added.

twidder is jwens1000

and for those of you dice world players out there my dice world is
jazzyjen.
i play everything except ballot.








-
my skype is jwens1000 and when adding me to skype, please mention where
you found me at, other wize you will not be added.

twidder is jwens1000

and for those of you dice world players out there my dice world is
jazzyjen.
i play everything except ballot.





Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2

Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': [Mac-Access)': test

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I am not receiving duplicate messages, however that being said, I'm 
undecided at this point if I want to leave.  I will however say though 
undecided, I'm definitely giving unsubscription a serious consideration.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Hill" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:11 AM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': [Mac-Access)': test



That sure is a puzzle, about why it doesn't work for everyone.
It seems like it's easier to subscribe than unsubscribe for some reason.

Bob


- Original Message -
From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
To:  mac-access@mac-access.net
CC:
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:40 am
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': Re: [Mac-Access)': test




Thanks Bob I do agree ininsmile*.  I had tested your unsubscribe 
suggestion
though the reality is that I wish to retain my membership.  Like others 
it
did not work for me. Thankfully I do not have the problems others are 
having

of multiple copies of each mail, just the one.

Eleanor
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Hill" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 9:30 AM
Subject: [Mac-Access)': Re: [Mac-Access)': test


Hi Eleanor,

Your email arrived just fine here.
Seems like we've gone from deluge to drought regarding messages.

Bob Hill


- Original Message -
From: Eleanor Martha Burke 
To:  mac-access@mac-access.net
CC:
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:18 am
Subject: [Mac-Access)': test




checking to see if I have unsubscribed. checking to see if I have a ride
perhaps somebody could respond please.






Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2








Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2

Re: [Mac-Access]: test

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Nope?

Sorry to be the barer of bad news.

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eleanor Martha Burke" 

To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:18 AM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: test


checking to see if I have unsubscribed. checking to see if I have a ride 
perhaps somebody could respond please.

Re: [Mac-Access]: test

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Angela,

I've written you time and time and time again with some information, 
however, you've not responded, and each time I try reaching out to help you, 
you seem to be ignoring my posts.  I want to help, but I can't, if you're 
not going to let me.


Same goes to Debby who I see from my read request receipt deleted my message 
apparently without even reading it.  I wasn't writing you guys to complain. 
I was writing you to offer some help.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Angela Delicata" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 5:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: test



still this list, I'm so tired!


Il 27/05/2015 10:18, Eleanor Martha Burke ha scritto:
checking to see if I have unsubscribed. checking to see if I have a ride 
perhaps somebody could respond please.








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Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed from this list

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You're on the Eyes-Free list?  Oh, poor you!  I'm sorry!

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Danny Mathis" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed 
from this list




I have sent an unsubscribe email to the other email address at the
bottom of this list's email.  I am still here and this list fills my
Gmail inbox still.  Not that I mind mac related stuff but I also
belong to the eyes-free list which hammers my inbox enough.

On 5/27/15, David Griffith  wrote:

It has not worked.

I have tried this method and the other address posted twice but I am 
still

here.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland [mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com]
Sent: 27 May 2015 01:22
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un 
subscribed

from this list

That's exactly what I suggested people do all along!

Did it not work, or did people just simply not listen to me when I tried
helping!

Makes ya wonder.

Chris.

- Original Message -
From: "Robert Hill" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 12:13 PM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed
from

this list



Hello everyone,

Well, maybe things are getting more toward normal or something, but I 
was


able to use the following procedure to unsubscribe, and resubscribe this
morning.

Send an email message as follows:

mac-access-requ...@mac-access.net

Leave the subject blank.

In the message body put the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotation
marks)

That should get you unsubscribed.

If you want a list of commands that you can use send an email to the
above



address, and in the body of the message put "help" without the quotes.

Bob Hill

which
- Original Message -
From: jazzyjennifer 
To:  mac-access@mac-access.net
CC:
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:59 am
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': I would like to un subscribed from this list




yeah usely there is links with the list, at the end of the email like 
it

will say how to un subscribe, then there will be an email for un
subscribeing. and all them email links are missing at the end of each
messege of tis group.

On 5/26/2015 11:09 AM, David Griffith wrote:
Unfortunately it appears, fairly bizarrely, that nobody is listening or
watching the list.
Perhaps somebody who knows Gordon personally can get in touch with him,
or at least Lynne to try and get the list pulled until it can be
resurrected in proper form with only those who want to be on the list
participating.
in the meantime there is clearly no point in people adding to list
traffic with unsubscribe request.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: Danny Mathis [mailto:danny.mat...@gmail.com]
Sent: 26 May 2015 15:09
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': i would like to un subscribed from this 
list


I to want unsubscribed from this list.  Both of my macs are sold.  I
do not nor want an IPCbi'hone ever.  So please remove me from this 
list.

yes, I am an android user "team android all the way."

On 5/26/15, jazzyjennifer  wrote:

can someone please un subscribe me from this list. i would do it. but
there is no links at the bottom of emails of links on this email list.

-
my skype is jwens1000 and when adding me to skype, please mention 
where


you
found me at, other wize you will not be added.

twidder is jwens1000

and for those of you dice world players out there my dice world is
jazzyjen.
i play everything except ballot.








-
my skype is jwens1000 and when adding me to skype, please mention where
you found me at, other wize you will not be added.

twidder is jwens1000

and for those of you dice world players out there my dice world is
jazzyjen.
i play everything except ballot.





Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2

Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: Stop The Tests, Please

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Lynn, if the method has changed, then for God sake, can you please tell us 
how to do it?  I'm sorry for Gordon's situation, and I very genuinely hope 
he's OK, but this has been going on before Friday.  Actually since last 
Tuesday or so.  Have you not been seeing all the people who want to leave? 
I'm not asking you to remove me nor them, as you got too much on your plate 
for that now, but mercy gracious! is it that much work to just tell us how 
to do it ourselves since it's obviously changed?  It's not even at the 
bottom of the footers.


Lynne, I have lots of respect for you and Gordon, and I've taken my concerns 
off list with you all before, but now I'm going public, as frankly, this is 
becoming ridiculous!  You're gonna hate me for saying this, and embarrassing 
you on list, but frankly at this point, much as I hate doing this, and this 
isn't my normal nature of personality, I must be blunt to say, if you can't 
manage a list, and keep people in the loop, then don't!  Bottom line!  I'm 
sorry to be so blunt, but I'm getting absolutely sick of this!  I don't hate 
you, nor Gordon, don't even? go there! but, come on, who're you kidding. 
You work all day, Gordon is in the hospital, plus, there are other things 
you told me about off list confidentially that I won't go into on list, but 
lookit.  The point is, I know this list is you all's baby.  Especially 
Gordon's, but really.  Do you all have the time to keep running this list on 
your own?  I've said time after time again I'd help you all with admin tasks 
if you needed me to.  Others too have agreed to help take some the load off 
you all, and frankly, the offer still stands as far as I'm concerned, but 
look.  Family comes before e-mail lists.  You gotta set your priorities.  I 
know you don't like to hear this, but you honestly need to!  Again, I'm not 
dismissing that Gordon is hurt, and again, for that, I'm so so sorry.  I 
wish there was something on that front I physically could do, so don't think 
I'm putting that concern aside.  I'm not.  But there is no shame in cutting 
back, asking for help, or saying you know, this just isn't working.


Lynn whether I'm right or not.  Whether I'm out of line sending this or not, 
put that aside just for one second.  Let's look at the facts.  This last few 
weeks, how many have written the list, uptight in your word or not, leaving 
out opinions here from you, Gordon, or others for that mind, just on a 
technical level, how many have asked to leave the list.  Damn! I can think 
of at least! minimum! 50 or 60.  Compared to all the members you all have, 
that might seem insignificant, but trust me, that's a ton! for one and a 
half weeks nearly.  I know one thing, if the list I ran started having 
members doing that, I'd be slamming on the breaks so hard, you'd not know 
what hitcha!  I'd be deathly! concerned to find out what in the sam hill! 
was causing everyone to leave.  Then, if I couldn't deal with it,  dammit, 
I'd find someone who could.  Just know, you all don't have to do this alone. 
I'm still offerring for you all to get ahold of me off list, if you want me 
to help you all in any way with the list until things get back to normal 
around there, but A, you gotta be willing to speak up, as I can't read your 
mind.  And B, being I've offered before, this is my final offerring.  Past 
this point, if turned down, I won't be offerring again.  Case closed.


You knwo where to find me.

clgillan...@gmail.com

Again, none of this is meant in any! bad malice, but really Lynn, seriously! 
Think about it.  OK, I mean really? really, think about it!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 2:23 PM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Re: Stop The Tests, Please


Hello Angela, Christopher and all

This is Lynne, using the only address we currently have active which just 
happens to be Gordon’s.


Please don’t get uptight about this, all. The method of joining/leaving the 
group has changed anyway. When he’s up and about again, Gordon will update 
the mailing list section on our website. He’s currently hospitalised due to 
a road accident on Friday.


Meanwhile, if you have headers visible,  I suggest you examine the contents 
of messages posted to the group. Just a little self-help here would go a 
long way. :)


If you don’t, unfortunately I can’t help you. When he comes home I will make 
sure that Gordon does the update quickly as he can.


Warmest regards

Lynne

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That would be awesome, if that method worked, but over here at least, it 
doesn't seem to be.  I wasn't going to leave, but I wanted to at least see if I 
got the confirmation message, which then I was simply going to ignore.  That 
message never came.  In fact, the result was, my initial e-mail requesting to 
leave bounced, as usual.  What else is new.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gordon Smith 
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 11:14 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  hello


  Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we added you 
all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or at the 
very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.


  To cancel your membership, please write to:
  mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
  that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please just 
respond to is as indicated in the message and you’re done.


  Thank you.


  


  My compliments and kindest regards
  Gordon Smith:
  


  Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.


  







  On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  wrote:


  Hi Gordon, 


  I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 


  If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. 


  Best wishes, 


  Sadam Ahmed 


  Email: 


  sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 


  Sent from my iPhone. 


  -- 





  On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown  
wrote:


Hello Gordon

Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have enough Email 
traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am now receiving 
messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

Many thanks, and good luck.


Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
jac...@thebrownsplace.info
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
Skype: thejackmate

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

Good Sunday to all

We should now be back in business as a group, although I have some tweaking 
still to do.  But I hope you’re all well, and receive our call.

Please don’t send “I am here’, or “I see you” to the group.  We just want 
life to resume from where it left off.

Let’s just say we’ve had a spectacular server crash from which we couldn’t 
recover.  So we were forced to make a transition, ready or not!

Kindest regards

Gordon

Re: [Mac-Access]: FW: DLIST: Welcome to the mac-access@mac-access.net list.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What about www.mac-access.net going to your mail server page and not the 
maihn home page?


And, what ever happened to supp...@mac-access.net

Finally, why earlier when you initially sey said a week or so ago that you 
all were back, why didn't you provide the unsubscribe info then right up 
front?  Mostly, why didn't you add that address to the footers of all 
messages like you all had done before?


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Gordon Smith" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: FW: DLIST: Welcome to the 
mac-access@mac-access.net list.



Hello David

If, as it seems there may be, there is a problem with the server, can I 
request that people please use gor...@mac-access.net, and let me know that 
they wish to be removed.  If the command isn’t working, (and I shall test it 
out), then clearly something is set wrong.  However, I’d appreciate it if 
people would please keep a civil tongue in their head.  I’d also appreciate 
people keeping in mind that they expressed a wish to be ported over and, as 
a result, they were ported over.


If people have now changed their minds, that’s fine.  But don’t start 
yelling and screaming at me.  I’m much more likely to try and help somebody 
who is civl and polite, than somebody who goes off the deep end.  I’ve had a 
few like that today and, if I get any more, somebody’s going to get both 
barrels!


As for you, David, if you now wish to be unsubscribed, if you tried to 
remove yourself and it didn’t work, please do me the courtesy of contacting 
me off list.  Same goes for anybody else.  And I will do what I can to help.


However, finally, keep in mind that the command set has changed with the 
introduction of a ew server.  So, if you wish to leave, please send a blank 
message to:


mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
that should, and I use the word guardedly, should, do the trick.  I shall 
test it now.




My compliments and kindest regards
Gordon Smith:


Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.






On 27 May 2015, at 11:42, David Griffith  wrote:

I have again followed these instruction completely as laid out,   and I am
getting no response from the server telling me that I am unsubscribed.
If this message appears it has again not worked.

David Griffith

-Original Message-
From: Robert Hill [mailto:molliesda...@comcast.net]
Sent: 27 May 2015 10:40
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Subject: [Mac-Access]: FW: DLIST: Welcome to the mac-access@mac-access.net
list.

Hi all,

I'm forwarding the help commands list I received yesterday after poking
around.

I don't know if it will be helpful or not, but here it is.


Bob


- Forwarded Message -
From:  mac-access-requ...@mac-access.net
To:  molliesda...@comcast.net
CC:
Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 11:59 am
Subject: DLIST: Welcome to the mac-access@mac-access.net list.




This email message gives you important information about using
this list - please save it for future reference.

There are two parts to this file the first short part is on how
to SEND MAIL to the list, the second is on how to send COMMANDS
to the list.  If you lose this file then you can get the same
information again by sending a HELP command to the list manager
as is shown below.


SENDING MAIL TO THE LIST


To send a message to all mac-access@mac-access.net list members, use a

message

with the following form:

--
  From: Peter Rabbit 
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
   Subject: PROBLEM WITH LOADING PRODUCT

   Can anybody help me unzip my file?
--


===
===

SENDING COMMANDS TO THE LIST



All of the following sections deal with how to send a command to
the list.  You have already done this if you subscribed to the
list yourself.

Commands are written in the BODY of a normal email message. The
email message is then sent to the list manager's special email
address:
  mac-access-requ...@mac-access.net

The list manager controls who belongs to the list and what options
you as a subscriber have set.  The list manager has no ego so
please feel free to send messages whenever you l... :com)



Leaving the list (unsubscribing)


To stop receiving messages from the mac-access@mac-access.net list you

will

need to send a message to the list manager.  For example:

--
  From: Peter Rabbit 
To: mac-access-requ...@mac-access.net
   Subject: 

   unsubscribe
--

If you are still getting messages after you have received a
message saying you are no longer a member of

Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gordon finally came back, but he basically just did his usual, it's not my 
problem, here's how to unsubscribe, don't lookat me though if you want off 
the list dance.


I'd say the list is probably actually about the same membership, 
considerring most people were unsuccessful at getting removed.  Even the 
instructions Gordon gave the other day didn't seem to work for me.  I'd 
seriously considerred leaving, which then I changed my mind, however, that 
being said, like many, I tried to send an unsubscribe request to the address 
Gordon provided about a day ago, and even it! bounced.  Anyway, frankly, if 
it's not mac related, then I'm done with the unsubscribe me bullshit. 
Gordon and Lynn aren't gonna listen, so there's really not much point in me 
continuing to try to convince them.  It's unfortunate, but what the heck am 
I gonna do!  I can't stick a gun to their heads and say run this list more 
smoothely.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Hill" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 5:44 AM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?



Hi all,

With all the furor of the past while, I temporarily unsubscribed from the 
list.


I thought I'd subscribe again, and see what's happening here.

Just wondering who's still left here.

Bob Hill


Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2


To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by 
posting to:

mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.








To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by posting 
to:
mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.

Re: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': Is anyone still around this list?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Please guys, for the sake of my sanity and others, reply to Robert off list, 
if you're still on the list wishing to respond.  If everyone writes and says 
I'm still on the list, it's gonna be a disaster!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Hill" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 6:21 AM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Re: [Mac-Access)': Is anyone still around this list?



Hi Margaret,

Thanks for the reply.
At least I know I'm not typing to myself.

Bob


- Original Message -
From: Margaret Booth 
To:  mac-access@mac-access.net
CC:
Date: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 5:57 am
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access)': Is anyone still around this list?




I'm still on the list.

Margaret


Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Jun 2015, at 7:44 pm, Robert Hill  wrote:

Hi all,

With all the furor of the past while, I temporarily unsubscribed from the 
list.


I thought I'd subscribe again, and see what's happening here.

Just wondering who's still left here.

Bob Hill


Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2


To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by 
posting to:

mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.






To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by 
posting to:

mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.




a


Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2


To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by 
posting to:

mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.








To post messages to this group, please use the following address:
mac-access@mac-access.net
To leave the group, please post a blank message to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
If, at a later time, you wish to rejoin the group, please subscribe by posting 
to:
mac-access-j...@mac-access.net

To enable/disable Digest mode, please post to:
mac-access-dig...@mac-access.net

Please remember to keep your subscriber options current.  We are not 
responsible should things go amiss when, for example, you change E-Mail 
addresses.

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Nor did I.

Gordon did say though, if it doesn't work, let him know, so let's all bombard 
him and lettem know.  I'm normally not that much of an ass, but this is 
ridiculous.

gor...@mac-access.net

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: barbara jones 
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  This does not work. I did not receive any authentication message.
  Barbara


  On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:


hello


Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we added 
you all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or at the 
very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.


To cancel your membership, please write to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please just 
respond to is as indicated in the message and you’re done.


Thank you.





My compliments and kindest regards
Gordon Smith:



Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.










On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  wrote:


Hi Gordon, 


I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 


If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. 


Best wishes, 


Sadam Ahmed 


Email: 


sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 


Sent from my iPhone. 


-- 





On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown  
wrote:


  Hello Gordon

  Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have enough 
Email traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am now 
receiving messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

  Many thanks, and good luck.


  Kind Regards,

  Jackie Brown
  Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
  jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
  jac...@thebrownsplace.info
  Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
  Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
  Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
  Skype: thejackmate

  -Original Message-
  From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
  Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
  Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  Good Sunday to all

  We should now be back in business as a group, although I have some 
tweaking still to do.  But I hope you’re all well, and receive our call.

  Please don’t send “I am here’, or “I see you” to the group.  We just want 
life to resume from where it left off.

  Let’s just say we’ve had a spectacular server crash from which we 
couldn’t recover.  So we were forced to make a transition, ready or not!

  Kindest regards

  Gordon

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I got to thinking about that whole thing with people getting multiple messages. 
 I'm definitely not, and it seems  there are some others who are not either.  
Could it be that you are getting multiple because you're subscribed unknowingly 
under two different e-mail addresses or more?  Just a thought.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: matthew.dy...@icloud.com 
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 11:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  Hi,

   

  Also, just a report that I am getting more than 1 copy of each  message.   Is 
there amnyone else here getting this.

   

  Matthew

   

   

   

  From: barbara jones [mailto:jone...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 7:13 AM
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

   

  This does not work. I did not receive any authentication message.

  Barbara

   

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:





hello

 

Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we added 
you all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or at the 
very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.

 

To cancel your membership, please write to:

mac-access-le...@mac-access.net

that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please just 
respond to is as indicated in the message and you're done.

 

Thank you.

 



 

My compliments and kindest regards

Gordon Smith:



 

Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.

 



 

 

 

On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  wrote:

 

Hi Gordon, 

 

I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 

 

If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly appreciated. 

 

Best wishes, 

 

Sadam Ahmed 

 

Email: 

 

sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 

 

Sent from my iPhone. 

 

-- 

 

 


On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown  
wrote:

  Hello Gordon

  Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have enough 
Email traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am now 
receiving messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

  Many thanks, and good luck.


  Kind Regards,

  Jackie Brown
  Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
  jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
  jac...@thebrownsplace.info
  Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
  Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
  Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
  Skype: thejackmate

  -Original Message-
  From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
  Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
  Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  Good Sunday to all

  We should now be back in business as a group, although I have some 
tweaking still to do.  But I hope you're all well, and receive our call.

  Please don't send "I am here', or "I see you" to the group.  We just want 
life to resume from where it left off.

  Let's just say we've had a spectacular server crash from which we 
couldn't recover.  So we were forced to make a transition, ready or not!

  Kindest regards

  Gordon





 

   

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Doesn't surprise me.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marianne Robbins 
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net 
  Cc: Hewitt Robbins Marianne 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 1:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  I used this link, but it bounced as undeliverable




On Jun 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, barbara jones  wrote:


Thanks christ. I am trying that link.
Barbara


On Jun 3, 2015, at 7:20 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


  Nor did I.

  Gordon did say though, if it doesn't work, let him know, so let's all 
bombard him and lettem know.  I'm normally not that much of an ass, but this is 
ridiculous.

  gor...@mac-access.net

  Chris.

- Original Message -
From: barbara jones
To: mac-access@mac-access.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


This does not work. I did not receive any authentication message.
Barbara


On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:


  hello


  Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we 
added you all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or 
at the very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.


  To cancel your membership, please write to:
  mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
  that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please 
just respond to is as indicated in the message and you’re done.


  Thank you.


  


  My compliments and kindest regards
  Gordon Smith:
  


  Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.


  







  On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  
wrote:


  Hi Gordon, 


  I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 


  If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly 
appreciated. 


  Best wishes, 


  Sadam Ahmed 


  Email: 


  sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 


  Sent from my iPhone. 


  -- 





  On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown 
 wrote:


Hello Gordon

Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have 
enough Email traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am 
now receiving messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

Many thanks, and good luck.


Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
jac...@thebrownsplace.info
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
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Skype: thejackmate

-Original Message-
From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

Good Sunday to all

We should now be back in business as a group, although I have some 
tweaking still to do.  But I hope you’re all well, and receive our call.

Please don’t send “I am here’, or “I see you” to the group.  We 
just want life to resume from where it left off.

Let’s just say we’ve had a spectacular server crash from which we 
couldn’t recover.  So we were forced to make a transition, ready or not!

Kindest regards

Gordon

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

So, dear God, can anyone! anyone! at all! explain why Gordon said to modify our 
subscriptions with:

mac-access-le...@mac-access.net

Then said, if we couldn't get it to work, to let him know,

gor...@mac-access.net

And both of those are bouncing?  How in the hell can we modify our 
subscriptions if the address doesn't work, and, how can we contact Gordon to 
let him know, if the address he gives doesn't work either?

Folks, it's official, I've actually reported this list to my ISP as spam.  
Trust me, it takes a crapload! before I go to that extreme, and I do mean, a, 
crap! load!  I always try exhausting literally every single possibility on the 
plannet, and then, when all options are seeked with no success, I write the 
support people.  Then when that doesn't work, I google.  Then when that doesn't 
work, I ask others.  Finally, and only! then, do I finally raise a ruckus, but 
I gotta tell ya, I was irritated at Lynne and Gordon both before, but now, I'm 
absolutely furious!  This is ridiculous!  Later today, I'll be posting a blog 
entry on my web site about the horriffic management of this list so that 
potentials subscribers will know what they're probably getting themselves into. 
 I didn't wanna do this, believe me, but damn it, they have forced my hand!  
I've freaking haddit!  As I always say... That? duzzit!  Enough is enough!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 2:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  Hello Chris,


  I was only ever subscribed with one e-mail address and only to this group.


  Cheers,


  Anne




On 3 Jun 2015, at 18:48, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:


I got to thinking about that whole thing with people getting multiple 
messages.  I'm definitely not, and it seems  there are some others who are not 
either.  Could it be that you are getting multiple because you're subscribed 
unknowingly under two different e-mail addresses or more?  Just a thought.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: matthew.dy...@icloud.com
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 11:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  Hi,

  Also, just a report that I am getting more than 1 copy of each  message.  
 Is there amnyone else here getting this.

  Matthew



  From: barbara jones [mailto:jone...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 7:13 AM
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  This does not work. I did not receive any authentication message.
  Barbara

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:



hello

Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we 
added you all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or 
at the very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.

To cancel your membership, please write to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please 
just respond to is as indicated in the message and you’re done.

Thank you.



My compliments and kindest regards
Gordon Smith:


Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.






On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  wrote:

Hi Gordon, 

I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 

If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly 
appreciated. 

Best wishes, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Email: 

sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 

Sent from my iPhone. 

-- 



On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown 
 wrote:

  Hello Gordon

  Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have enough 
Email traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am now 
receiving messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

  Many thanks, and good luck.


  Kind Regards,

  Jackie Brown
  Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
  jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
  jac...@thebrownsplace.info
  Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
  Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
  Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
  Skype: thejackmate

  -Original Message-
  From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
  Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
  Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  Good Sunday to all

Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

How do you have your e-mails set up on each, pop, or IMap?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Juanita Martin 
  To: OS X & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 12:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  I have just one email address.  The interesting thing is though, on my 
iPhone, I get three copies of each message from this list but on my Mac Air, I 
just get one copy.  Wonder why that is;


On Jun 3, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


I got to thinking about that whole thing with people getting multiple 
messages.  I'm definitely not, and it seems  there are some others who are not 
either.  Could it be that you are getting multiple because you're subscribed 
unknowingly under two different e-mail addresses or more?  Just a thought.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: matthew.dy...@icloud.com
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net
  Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2015 11:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!


  Hi,

  Also, just a report that I am getting more than 1 copy of each  message.  
 Is there amnyone else here getting this.

  Matthew



  From: barbara jones [mailto:jone...@comcast.net] 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2015 7:13 AM
  To: mac-access@mac-access.net
  Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  This does not work. I did not receive any authentication message.
  Barbara

  On Jun 2, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:



hello

Please just take a moment to modify or cancel your subscription; we 
added you all in bulk as you expressed a wish to remain part of the groups, or 
at the very least, you did not express a wish not to be part of the group.

To cancel your membership, please write to:
mac-access-le...@mac-access.net
that will cause an authentication message to be sent to you.  Please 
just respond to is as indicated in the message and you’re done.

Thank you.



My compliments and kindest regards
Gordon Smith:


Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.






On 24 May 2015, at 12:43, sadam ahmed  wrote:

Hi Gordon, 

I am writing this email to ask you to remove me from this list. 

If you could remove me as soon as possible it would be greatly 
appreciated. 

Best wishes, 

Sadam Ahmed 

Email: 

sadamahmed1...@icloud.com 

Sent from my iPhone. 

-- 



On 24 May 2015, at 7:38 pm, Jackie Brown 
 wrote:

  Hello Gordon

  Could I ask you to remove me from your groups please as I have enough 
Email traffic to be getting on with.  Since your server recovery, I am now 
receiving messages from you that I don't want to be subscribed to.

  Many thanks, and good luck.


  Kind Regards,

  Jackie Brown
  Emails: thebrownspl...@btinternet.com
  jackieannbrow...@gmail.com
  jac...@thebrownsplace.info
  Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info
  Read my EyeWrite blog: www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
  Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
  Skype: thejackmate

  -Original Message-
  From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gor...@mac-access.net] 
  Sent: 24 May 2015 10:27
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
  Subject: [Mac-Access]: Ladies & Gentlemen, We Are Back!

  Good Sunday to all

  We should now be back in business as a group, although I have some 
tweaking still to do.  But I hope you’re all well, and receive our call.

  Please don’t send “I am here’, or “I see you” to the group.  We just 
want life to resume from where it left off.

  Let’s just say we’ve had a spectacular server crash from which we 
couldn’t recover.  So we were forced to make a transition, ready or not!

  Kindest regards

  Gordon

Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

O, Kay! o, kayy! O? Kayy!  I, get, the, point! 
You're here!  You're on the list!  Must everyone clutter my damn inbox just 
to write a two worded sentence, I'm here!  Hurray!  You're here!  Can you 
not take some courticy and write the individual off list who asked rather 
than clutterring up people's inboxes?  Jesus H Christ!  No offense 
whatsoever intended, but this is becoming incredibly irritating!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "wui chin Leong" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?



so am i too


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Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know, I never actually thought of that, but the first one of those is 
probably where it came from.  Who knows.  That isn't the point though.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Phil Halton" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?


Just curious, what does the H stand for in Jesus H Christ?
Holy?
Hector?
Hubba hubba?

Sent from my IPhone


On Jun 4, 2015, at 10:48 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


O, Kay! o, kayy! O? Kayy!  I, get, the, point! 
You're here!  You're on the list!  Must everyone clutter my damn inbox 
just to write a two worded sentence, I'm here!  Hurray!  You're here!  Can 
you not take some courticy and write the individual off list who asked 
rather than clutterring up people's inboxes?  Jesus H Christ!  No offense 
whatsoever intended, but this is becoming incredibly irritating!


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "wui chin Leong" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Mac-Access]: Is anyone still around this list?



so am i too


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Re: [Mac-Access]: message from the list owner, please read

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Huge sigh...

Don't remove me for now.  We'll see how things go, but I do expect going 
forward for things to hopefully run more smoothely.  Thank you for finally 
looking into this.  It's a shame that so many people had to get on you about 
this, before anything was done, but as long as you're at this point willing to 
step up and really truely try getting things back together, I'm willing to give 
things one, and one? only! final chance.

I'm sorry for being so hard on ya, but as a system server administrator myself, 
you can hopefully to some degree understand why I was so.  In your defense, 
Voiceover not reading those edit boxes could certainly be an issue, and if 
indeed it can add people multiple times, therefore sending out multiple e-mail 
copies, then boy oh boy!  That's a bug that really! needs to be addressed, 
like, yesterday!

As I said, I'll stay for now, but I genuinely trust this isn't going to 
hopefully happen again in the foreseeable future.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Gordon Smith 
  To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility 
  Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 10:36 AM
  Subject: [Mac-Access]: message from the list owner, please read


  Hello everybody


  I’d just like to give you an explanation as to why some of you have had 
difficulty unsubscribing from the group.  Firstly, please understand that this 
was in no way a deliberate act on my part.


  When I was configuring the list, VoiceOver did not reveal the refreshed edit 
boxes when I added your addresses.  Therefore, I thought that they hadn’t 
actually been added, so I added them again.  This happened twice before the 
boxes’ contents were displayed to me, and I thought that the job was done.


  However, unbeknown to me, the addresses were added three times over.  This is 
why you’ve had difficulty and in some cases have received multiple copies of 
the messages.


  Please accept my most sincere apologies for the inconvenience.  I am 
modifying the list as I speak, so that each member is only subscribed once.  I 
am also taking out those addresses whose owners have requested that I do so.


  Those who have written to me threatening reprisals, (and there have been 3 of 
those), please know that I am removing you as you requested.


  I acknowledge though that this shouldn’t have happened.  There should be 
error-trapping within the software to prevent it.  I am taking this up with the 
developers.  But I am also working urgently to address the issue.


  Those of you who do wish to remain on the list, please don’t worry if you get 
repeated welcome messages.  If you get a message asking whether you want to 
join or not, then that is at your discretion.


  I am also taking steps to restore the support address so that these issues 
can be separated once again from my own inbox.


  


  My compliments and kindest regards
  Gordon Smith:
  


  Accessibility & Information Technology Support Specialist.


  

Re: [Mac-Access]: Skype for Web (Beta) is now available to everyone in the US and UK

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'll give it a try, but first I'm gonna have to find someone who's willing 
to let me call 'em.  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Sarah k Alawami" 

To: "mac access list iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 12:42 PM
Subject: [Mac-Access]: Skype for Web (Beta) is now available to everyone in 
the US and UK



Link is below. I'm not going to be testing this as I'm going to be busy, but 
hopefuly someone can and will test for accessibility under the mac platform 
and see if it is accessible. This would be good if I were on antohr machine 
with out skype, or what not. Enjoy.



http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/SkypeGarage/~3/Jac1eThzwLk/

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